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Posted on Jul 21, 2010
White House / Pete Souza

By Eugene Robinson

After the Shirley Sherrod episode, there’s no longer any need to mince words: A cynical right-wing propaganda machine is peddling the poisonous fiction that when African-Americans or other minorities reach positions of power, they seek some kind of revenge against whites.

A few of the purveyors of this bigoted nonsense might actually believe it. Most of them, however, are merely seeking political gain by inviting white voters to question the motives and good faith of the nation’s first African-American president. This is really about tearing Barack Obama down.

Sherrod, until Monday an official with the Department of Agriculture, was supposed to be mere collateral damage. Andrew Breitbart, a smarmy provocateur who often speaks at tea party rallies, posted on his website a video snippet of a speech that Sherrod, who is African-American, gave to a NAACP meeting earlier this year. In it, Sherrod seemed to boast of having withheld from a white farmer some measure of aid that she would have given to a black farmer.

It looked like a clear case of black racism in action. Within hours, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack had forced her to resign. The NAACP, under attack from the right for having denounced racism in the tea party movement, issued a statement blasting Sherrod and condemning her attitude as unacceptable.

But Breitbart had overstepped. The full video of Sherrod’s speech showed she wasn’t bragging about being a racist, she was telling what amounted to a parable about prejudice and reconciliation. For one thing, the incident happened in 1986 when she was working for a nonprofit, long before she joined the Obama administration. For another, she helped that white man and his family save their farm, and they became friends. Through him, she said, she learned to look past race toward our common humanity.

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In effect, she was telling the story of America’s struggle with race, but with the roles reversed. For hundreds of years, black people were enslaved, oppressed and discriminated against by whites—until the civil rights movement gave us all a path toward redemption.

With the Obama presidency, though, has come a flurry of charges—from the likes of Breitbart but also from more substantial conservative figures—about alleged incidences of racial discrimination against whites by blacks and other minorities. Recall, for example, the way Obama’s critics had a fit when he offered an opinion about the confrontation between Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. and a white police officer. Remember the over-the-top reaction when it was learned that Justice Sonia Sotomayor had once talked about how being a “wise Latina” might affect her thinking.

Newt Gingrich called Sotomayor a racist. He was lightning-quick to call Sherrod a racist, too. I’d suggest that the former House speaker consider switching to decaf, but I think he knows exactly what he’s doing.

These allegations of anti-white racism are being deliberately hyped and exaggerated because they are designed to make whites fearful. It won’t work with most people, of course, but it works with some—enough, perhaps, to help erode Obama’s political standing and damage his party’s prospects at the polls.

Before Sherrod, the cause celebre of the “You Must Fear Obama” campaign involved something called the New Black Panther Party. Never heard of it? That’s because it’s a tiny group that exists mainly in the fevered imaginations of its few members. Also in the alternate reality of Fox News: One of the network’s hosts has devoted more than three hours of air time in recent weeks to the grave threat posed by the NBPP. Actually, I suspect that this excess is at least partly an attempt by a relatively obscure anchor to boost her own notoriety.

The Sherrod case has fully exposed the right-wing campaign to use racial fear to destroy Obama’s presidency, and I hope the effect is to finally stiffen some spines in the administration. The way to deal with bullies is to confront them, not run away. Yet Sherrod was fired before even being allowed to tell her side of the story. She said the official who carried out the execution explained that she had to resign immediately because the story was going to be on Glenn Beck’s show that evening. Ironically, Beck was the only Fox host who, upon hearing the rest of Sherrod’s speech, promptly called for her to be reinstated. On Wednesday, Vilsack offered to rehire her.

Shirley Sherrod stuck to her principles and stood her ground. I hope the White House learns a lesson.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
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By Peter Knopfler, July 23, 2010 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

How did a half white Obama get dragged into this racial mess,
being a Half and Half, doesn`t qualify you for either side,
so down the middle we go, Obama has no choice but to take middle road.
The white shadow in the back ground, leaves no reflection. The Nation is in despair! Can`t get with it, can`t do without it!

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

Azcat85,  read Michelle Alexander’s
The New Jim Crow,  I believe that will answer all
those questions you asked me.

The vote for D.C. voting rights has been voted on
and failed…
Our constitution also denied woman the right to vote,
  that was changed, the constitution denied blacks the
  right to vote , that was changed…...

  I am so sorry to hear that you are one of the millions
of white males that is discrimated against,  maybe one
day we will rid ourselves of the shackles and chains
of racism that is imposed on us.

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By Azcat85, July 23, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

Your words: “The economic conditions that blacks have suffered and still do because of POLICY by both parties
is a racist act.”

What policies are in effect today that economically restrict the black population?

“The denial of voting rights that Democrats refuse
to reverse in the D.C. is a racist act.”

This is not racist, it is constitutional.  DC is not a state and therefore has no representatives or senators.  This applies to all residents of DC, black, white, asian, etc.  Not racist.

And for the record I am not a racist, only a realist who has lived in every area of this country except the northwest.  I wasliving in LA during the Rodney King beatings and the ensuing riots.  I have been called “white nigger” more than once by 10 and 12 year old kids in WATS. I worked in El Segundo at the Air base Where did they learn that from?  A white person?  I don’t think so.

Racism is on both sides and is a crutch.  As I stated before.  Until the victim tag is removed, no one can advance.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

JD

  I am not wasting my vote.  Your rationalization
holds no water.

  Why is my refusal to vote for murderers make me
more of a problem?  That is your opinion and the same
opinion that got us in this mess…The labels that you
put on me are laughable.
  And now we are going to revise history and blame
the war protesters for American irresponsibilty.
You are not going to write my history to rationalize your
support for that inept party that you support

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

The economic conditions imposed on MEXICO and
supported by Democrats….is a racist act.

  The economic conditions that blacks have suffered
and still do because of policy by both parties
is a racist act.

  The denial of voting rights that Democrats refuse
to reverse in the D.C.  is a racist act.

  The American Indian has been the victim of racism
by both Democrats and Republicans.
Our Prison Industrial Complex, is a racist act.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

The Democrats support for keeping Palistinians
penned up like chickens in a pen…..............

  Is a racist act ......................................

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By JDmysticDJ, July 23, 2010 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

Just to be clear, the only commonality between Azcat85 and me is that we both see your anger. The difference between Azcat85 and me is that I see your anger as righteous and justified by historical fact, but misdirected. Azcat85, out of ignorance, or from some other inclination, has shown himself to be a person with racist views.

George Carlin was very successful with his counter culture persona, and the quotations you provide were valid, in their time, for those who were protesting and criticizing the Viet Nam War in a constructive way.

Let me point out again, that the “Yippies’” destruction of the 1968 Democratic Convention was not a solution; it only led to the election of the biggest war criminal of that era, Richard Nixon. When Crosby stills and Nash sang “Please Come to Chicago” they were not singing, come to Chicago and be destructive, they were singing please come to Chicago to be politically active. The result of Nixon’s election was that Crosby, Stills, Nash with Young had to change their tune.

You are not offering a solution either. Apolitical independents are the voting block that determines the outcome of elections. They are very much influenced by sound bites and propaganda, and it doesn’t matter what side of the isle those sound bites are coming from. Radicals, Progressives, Democrats, Republicans, and Tea Partiers who criticize Democrats, influence the most important voting block (Apolitical Independents,) and will lead to the worst of the worst regaining power. I understand that you don’t care about this political reality, but where is your solution? If you don’t vote, or waste your vote on a third party that has no chance to be successful, and influence others to do the same, you will facilitate the worst of the worst again achieving power. You will be a part of that problem, not a part of any solution.

Gerard

Clearly you don’t like conflict, which, on its surface is noble, but I can only reiterate, failing to confront the loud, disingenuous, unscrupulous, right will only have bad consequences, and that should be evident to you by now. You would like the left to engage in debate by constantly answering the rights false accusations, of course that’s necessary, but pointing out their lies, distortions, and deceptions has the effect of discrediting their future lies, distortions, and deceptions. I want to completely destroy their credibility, and point out that they have no credibility, or scruples, and that they are in reality, wrong headed, mean spirited,and dangerous, and also motivate people like ofersince72 to realize what’s at stake. Sorry, I see the conflict as being too important; let the heads fall where they may.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 3:05 pm Link to this comment

It is either extreme ignorance by you,  or an exteme
lie by you, that you don’t fess up to the exploitation
of Central Africa by America, the rest of the world
knows about it.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

I don’t know why you are questioning my education

  Inherit_The_Wind,  my voting patterns exibit much

  more enlightenment and education than your pathetic

  support for murderers, liars, and thieves.

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By kerryrose, July 23, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72

ITW did not write that comment.  He was responding to it.  It was written by Azcat85.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 2:46 pm Link to this comment

you support, Inherit_The_Wind are OK with the million
deaths in Iraq and the numbers climbing in Afghanistan
in order to secure resources, and is just a reflection
of American Policy since forever.  This demonstrates a
lot about your lack of character and the lack of
character of those that support this type policy.

By the way….....did you see the new spending bill?
Vote away for the same racist policy…................
you vote for murder, I don’t…...........................

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

The only thing you are right about with me

  Inherit_The_Wind….....is that I am a very angry
person because of the racism, and explotation that
is exibited by our government, both at home and abroad.
And angry at those that support this racism and
explotation with thier lies and distortions.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

Inherit_The_Wind…....

I am sorry , but the African disaster can be traced
directly to Western Involment, but I understand why
you don’t want to take responsibility for disasters
like Nigeria.  You are a RACIST and support a RACIST
party that uses militarism, imperialism, colonialism
and genocide to achieve their ends.  I like the education
that I have, thank you, not one like yours that is based
on lies, fiction, myth,  to cover their lies and
genocide.

  The American Indian is victim to racism by the
Democrat and Republican Parties.
You Democrat Supporters will deny, deny, deny and lie
to support a party that doesn’t give a damn about you,
the black race, the Indian race, the Arabs, or anyone
else that gets in the way of their profits.
SORRY INHERIT_THE-WINDY_LIAR,  I HAVE THE FACTS ON MY
SIDE AND YOU DON’T….....START READING SOMETHING BESIDES
YOUR DEMOCRAT PROPOGANDA…..............................

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By Inherit The Wind, July 23, 2010 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Azcat85, July 23 at 1:58 pm #

By ofersince72, July 23 at 11:45 am

You are an angry man. Africa is the way it is because of Africans.  What imperial actions has the united States taken?  Europe has pummeled the continent for centuries, but, do not see the extent of the US in your diatribe.  Most of African turmoil is black on black atrocities, and in some cases such as Zimbabwe, blacks took a viable economy, over-through the white government and destroyed a country.

Blacks in America will only advance when they give up playing the victim role and allowing a$$ monkeys like Jackson, Sharpton, Shabaaz, and the rest to speak for them. Since the mid fifties, there has been no legal impediment to advancement except the self worth of the black individual.  Education was the key and a significant number of blacks choose not to become educated, left their families and did not advance.  Pride and ego took precedence over doing what was required to advance.  End result is that today 65% of Black babies are born to single women.  Self examination and correction is the way ahead.  STOP BLAMING THE MAN! EDUCATION IS THE KEY.  GET ONE.

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Where do these characters get this crap?

No impediment other than:
the firehoses
Bull Connor’s dogs
the “Whites Only” signs
the murders of anyone trying to end segregation
the Governor of Alabama preventing entry into the state university
the Governor of Georgia handing out axe handles
the segregation laws
the anti-miscegination laws.

And these are only some of the impediments going on all through the sixties.  Nothing changed in 1954 with Brown v Board except there was no more legal underpinning to institutionalized racism.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

The recent vote IRAN SANCTIONS AND DISINVESTMENT ACT

that most international observers believe to be an act
of war, and was passed under the quise of removing
WMDs from IRAN when the whole world knows IRAN has no
WMDs and not a program to produce them, exactly the lie
used for an excuse to decimate IRAQ, was a racist act.

It passed the United States SENATE 99—0
It Passed the HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES 408—8

I have already pointed out the Dems national racist
policy i.e.  rejected D.C. voting rights.
THE DEMS AND PUBS ARE   RACIST ORGANIZATIONS,
that also don’t care about you whiteys either.

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By Steve E, July 23, 2010 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Keeping the strategy and concept of “divide and conquer” in mind, I’m assuming
that Murdoch and his ilk are very pleased with themselves if they read most of
these comments and also considering they hit the jackpot in suckering Barry into
controversy.

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By Peetawonkus, July 23, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ
Yes, that was sarcasm. Sometimes a feller has to lash out with absurdity, and even misspell a few things for irony’s sake. And considering some people’s reaction, they don’t get too much air up there on Planet Prim. If I leave for a day and come back I see the same self-righteous reich-wingers poisoning the debates. But I also see that you, ITW & kerryrose and some others have things well in hand and are still handing out well deserved beatings to the usual lunkheads. God speed to ye.

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By REDHORSE, July 23, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

I salute the righteous rage OFER72 is expressing. I often feel we trap ourselves by expecting reasonable solutions and projecting human moral values upon people who who are neither reasonable nor moral. Perhaps, the disconnect OFER72 feels, and we have difficulty accepting, is the real blood on our hands. We have failed to integrate the reality that we are an Imperialist nation and the Presidency is an Imperial Presidency. And, our leadership is profligate. So, what are we talking about at TRUTHDIG?

      I don’t “see a nickels worth of difference” between the two parties”. My only sympathy for the Democrats, is the belief that some few, still hold the idea of an American Democracy dear. Our experience however, is one of betrayal, and living with the blowback of a political system, so corrupted by corporate fascism, that it no longer holds any actual relationship to “we the people”. They’ve brought us to the brink of collapse, care nothing for the American future and, are now plotting to save themselves, their families, and fortune. Poll after poll (on most any topic)demonstrates that the actual vision and desire of Americans means nothing. Our future, is what they say it is, because they say it is. It is impossible to see them as anything other, than megalomaniacal narcissistic sick-in-the-soul psychopaths. And, their disease, is killing us. What do you do with a reality like that?  What did Revere, Washington, Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson and Adams do with it? Read any Thomas Paine lately?

      OFER72 is correct about our maudlin concern for Blacks. Whites are sympathetic, but fail to grasp, actual Black reality. And they need to. Blacks hold no illusion about the potential for human damage inherent in a corrupt Federalist system nor, though they love America, are they subject to the patriotic syrup the for profit war machine uses to mire the White mind. Blacks trust their sense of reality. Bulls%#t is bulls%#t. The best aspiration, belief and moral conviction of the White man, is used against him, because his sense of fair play,  won’t allow him to call a thug a thug and act.

      Our disappointment in President Obama, stems from the fact he won’t openly, and with serious rage, apply the Black imperative, and call a bullshit thug a bullshit thug for us. Whites admire reighteous Black rage, but can’t bring themselves, even at their own political peril, to unleash their own.

      Mr. Robinson is just pickin’ up stitches. What he says is obvious to you and I—but many don’t get it. And, the thugs are creepin’ on us all the time. We gave’em an inch, they’ve taken a mile, and they ain’t gonna quit.—-Are you?

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By gerard, July 23, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

JDmysticD, July 22:  Sorry to be so long getting back to you.  What I am opposing is the personal backbiting, not opposition to injustice and exploitation.  The most probable causes of Obama’s failure to confront the right wing are, in my opinion, Democratic party pressures to maintain corporate contributions plus his well-trained “rational” approach to problems and avoidance of stereotypical emotional response.
  That said, my pleas against personal vilification come from the knowledge that such attack and counter-attacks do not lead to solutions but only aggravate problems.  When and if “the right vilely attacks the left” a siliar counter-attack is of no help. Something more creative, deeper, more practical to break through stereotoypical “thinking”  is necessary. It will probably not occur so long as personal villification is the front line of both (or all) sides.
  I’m pleading for something too seldom considered and little understood.  Many people are looking for new and better answers.  I support them.  I adamit we don’t have answers yet, but I want to see us confront the problems, not the people on the right who yell and scream and wave flags and go to church with guns in their pockets.  Sorry if you can’t understand that.

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By Azcat85, July 23, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

By ofersince72, July 23 at 11:45 am

You are an angry man. Africa is the way it is because of Africans.  What imperial actions has the united States taken?  Europe has pummeled the continent for centuries, but, do not see the extent of the US in your diatribe.  Most of African turmoil is black on black atrocities, and in some cases such as Zimbabwe, blacks took a viable economy, over-through the white government and destroyed a country.

Blacks in America will only advance when they give up playing the victim role and allowing a$$ monkeys like Jackson, Sharpton, Shabaaz, and the rest to speak for them. Since the mid fifties, there has been no legal impediment to advancement except the self worth of the black individual.  Education was the key and a significant number of blacks choose not to become educated, left their families and did not advance.  Pride and ego took precedence over doing what was required to advance.  End result is that today 65% of Black babies are born to single women.  Self examination and correction is the way ahead.  STOP BLAMING THE MAN! EDUCATION IS THE KEY.  GET ONE.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 23, 2010 at 9:52 am Link to this comment

Since GRYM insists that I cannot defend the claim that Palin says the NAACP is accusing her of racism and is therefore lying, I am forced to cite EJ Dionne’s article of the specific passages.

I won’t debate or discuss it further, and certainly not with GRYM and his conveniently ambiguous definitions. I’ll let the other posters make their own decision:

Sarah Palin struck back Tuesday on her Facebook page, declaring herself “saddened by the NAACP’s claim that patriotic Americans who stand up for the United States of America’s constitutional rights are somehow ‘racists.’ ”

That, of course, is not what the NAACP is saying.

She went on to refer to “America’s past racism,” and identified herself with Ronald Reagan, who said it was “a legacy of evil.” And then Palin brought the conversation back to herself.

“Having been on the receiving end of a similar spurious charge of racism,” she said, “I know how Tea Party Americans feel to be falsely accused.”

This is a shameless, narcissistic dodge. “Palin wants to construct a false argument,” Jealous said in the telephone interview. “Palin wants the terms of debate to be about people calling her racist, and nobody’s calling her racist.” The NAACP, he said, is simply challenging her along with other tea party leaders to separate themselves cleanly from “racist behavior” by some in the movement.

“We have seen what’s happened in the past when we let groups play ‘hide the ball’ with racism in their ranks,” Jealous said.

ITW

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By Anarcissie, July 23, 2010 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

It’s occurred to me that all this racial and religious stuff being flogged by the Republican Party is an indicator of desperation.  They abandoned fiscal conservatism and limited government a long time ago, and went running after the imperialism and statism of the Democrats.  But naturally the Democrats have out-Democratted them, as well as continuing to appear rational and somewhat sane much of the time, so the Republicans have nothing left except the sad collection of bigots they got from the Southern Strategy.

Gingrich, the great defender of religious freedom, saying that the Constitution should be abrogated to prevent Muslims from building a mosque two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center—it’s quite a decline.

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

“If you think there is a solution, you’re part of the
  problem”
          G. Carlin

  “It’s one big fuckin club, and you’re not in it!!”
          G. Carlin

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

The plight of Central Africa over the last forty years
due to Western, mostly American, imperialism, colonialism,
and militarism to secure resources to create the consumer
waste society we have,  is maybe the saddest chapter of
all in the history of humankind.
We have installed brutal governments , started some of
the bloodiest civil wars, created the most severe
environment, stripped away their means to support them-
selves causing massive death by starvation, that I doubt
you could get an accurate count of just how many have died
due to this imperialistic and racist domination.
The U.N.  reports that in this year and next alone
10 million Central Africans will die because of massive
thirst and food shortage, this situation and crisis all
created by Western expansionism, colonialism, imperialism
and militarism. (this is how the world’s largest debtor
nation , lives one of the world’s most comfortable
lifestyles).
  Screw Off !!!!!!  All you Dem and Pub supporters, you
all are racist PIGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Go Right Young Man, July 23, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

kerryrose, July 23 at 11:18 am #

GRYM

Not really sure why you are being obtuse. The ‘violence’ happening in the community is happening by members of the minority area of the district.  The response of the more privileged area is ‘I want my school back, I want my town back’ phrase which has led to the closing of an integrated school between the privileged area and the minority area.  The protests have also stopped construction on a new school which integrates the two communities.

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I am in no way being obtuse.  I cannot simply and blindly except YOUR perceptions.

Please, can you simply direct me to any information in support of your perceptions? 

Why is this so very difficult for you and ITW to actually produce real and tangible evidence in support of your opinions?  This should not be so difficult.

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By Anarcissie, July 23, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

It’s not just tribalism.  Part of it is class war: “We, the better off, want to get our exclusive domain back from them, the worse off.”  The racial fact resembles the staining of objects for the microscope—what was invisible becomes visible.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 23, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

Ofersince72

Your angry rants are useful, and full of undeniable truths, but they are also full of negativity and irrational defeatism.

Your postings, over time, have gone from claiming that the Democrats have never done anything for blacks, to claiming the Democrats haven’t done anything for blacks recently. Let’s deal with reality the way it is, and not the way we wish it would be.

The Democrats pushed the extension of unemployment benefits through the House and Senate, over Republican opposition. Seeing as how blacks are over represented in the unemployed, this action by the Democrats was helpful to blacks. Blacks are aware of which Party has their best interests at heart, that’s why 90% of blacks identify themselves as being Democrats. Will you argue that blacks aren’t _ _ _ _ ? enough to identify where their best interests lie? Institutional racism is a fact of reality, blacks know this, but they also know who their best allies, and worst enemies are.

You make several good points, but let’s focus on those points, and not on a counter productive self defeating blanket condemnation of Democrats.

As Eugene Robinson points out,

“A cynical right-wing propaganda machine is peddling the poisonous fiction that when African-Americans or other minorities reach positions of power, they seek some kind of revenge against whites.”

I’ll suggest that you are putting forth a poisonous fiction of your own, that being, that there is no difference between Democrats and Republicans.

Borrowing from your dialectic, I’ll simply say, LIGHTEN UP! “MF er.”

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By kerryrose, July 23, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

GRYM

Not really sure why you are being obtuse. The ‘violence’ happening in the community is happening by members of the minority area of the district.  The response of the more privileged area is ‘I want my school back, I want my town back’ phrase which has led to the closing of an integrated school between the privileged area and the minority area.  The protests have also stopped construction on a new school which integrates the two communities.

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By peterjkraus, July 23, 2010 at 7:07 am Link to this comment

Quote: “I hope the effect is to finally stiffen
some spines in the administration. The way to deal
with bullies is to confront them, not run away.”

Thanks, Mr. Robinson. THAT exactly is the hope many
of us Obama voters have: finally some spine to take
on and destroy the liars, the slimeballs, the Anti-
Americans within our own country. Don’t bend to
their (always changing) will, don’t accept what
they say as truth, don’t sell us out in the name of
some ethereal “bipartisanship”.

Give the bastards hell. And now.

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By Anarcissie, July 23, 2010 at 6:47 am Link to this comment

FiftyGigs, July 23 at 8:50 am:

‘... To throw contemporary Democrats and Republicans into
the same bag is shallow thinking and a distortion of
truth and reality.’

You don’t get how racism and imperialism are hooked up?

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By ofersince72, July 23, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Oh really fifty gigs, shallow to lump both parties
together, how so???

I find it extremly shallow not to look at the facts
sorrounding you.

  By the way,  Haiti is still starring you smack in
the face with Obama Administration racism.
  But I understand, Democrats are long on rhetoric and
really come up short on action.
So go ahead, support militarism, colonialism, imperialism
and genocide to achieve those ends while your talking
your fluff talk that holds no water.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 23, 2010 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

ITW,

Opinions, ad nauseam, is not nearly good enough.  Not when you charge that an entire grouping of humans to be more or less bigoted and/or racist than another.  Not good enough by far!

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I have never, not once, written that the Left is more bigoted than anyone else.  Your charge is yet another example of how you conjure phantoms.

When, ITW, when will you end the insipid and dangerous hate you spread?

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Answer the question:

For the ninth time:  Where did you learn that Sarah Palin claimed the NAACP called her a racist?  Post it here.  Show everyone that you know how to read and/or listen.  Copy and paste it right on this thread for all to see.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 23, 2010 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

Kerryrose,

I am sincerely perplexed by most of your posts.  Your last is no exception.  I am simply requesting some much needed context. 

You wrote of a school system attempting to segregate schools.  In the seven local stories I researched I found the issue was one of gun violence and the closing of a school situated in the heart of that violence.  I found not a single news item discussing segregation.  I then requested more from you.

Let me try again to be clear.  Do you have any local or national news you can share with me illustrating the racial “segregation of schools in your area?  If so, please share it.  I’m interested.

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You posted a quote:  “‘Send the offspring of the animals somewhere else.”  I’m sure you’ll understand when I write that it’s more than legitimate for anyone to ask some questions about this quote you offer. 

Was that the entire quote?  What was the context?  What was the writer referring to?  Race?  Little Sambos?  Or the “animals” shooting each other near Abram school?  There is a canyon difference. - Can you simply lend some greatly needed context?  I found nothing in your local news in regards to race or segregation.

In my city the highest crime area happens to be white and Hispanic.  The lowest income within the city.  Understand why I am asking for more information?  I refuse to blindly trust your perceptions.  There is no need for you to feel offended by my requests.

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“We Want Our Town Back”

I researched your local news and found seven items regarding the closing of Abrams School due to the gun violence in the near area.  I found no mention of race, race relations or segregation. - ‘Clean it up’ - ‘We want our town back’ appears to refer to the frustration over violence.  Not a race problem.  Surely you can understand why I am dubious of your claims.

Do you or not have tangible evidence which illustrates the local issue you write of being one of race?  I found nothing.  I found no mention of segregation.  I found no mention of race.

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By FiftyGigs, July 23, 2010 at 4:50 am Link to this comment

Baloney. It’s easy to be right when one makes the
facts fit ones opinion.

The so-called “duopoly”—while brought grudgingly
to the moral higher ground—both worked to
virtually eliminate racism in America without a
bloody race war. Republican President Lincoln, who
signed the Emancipation Proclamation, and Democratic
President Lyndon Johnson, who signed the Civil Rights
Act.

The reality is that today it is the Republican Party
that seeks to politicize the hard feelings of
Southern whites about the latter.

To throw contemporary Democrats and Republicans into
the same bag is shallow thinking and a distortion of
truth and reality.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

If you all are really concerned about the plight of
Black America, and not just blowing hot air in attempts
to garnish votes for the Democrat Party,  you won’t
vote or support either of the duopoly.

  Look at the plight of blacks, their education systems,
their unemployment numbers, their incarceration rates,

all under the watch of the duopoly , no matter which
one was taking its turn as the majority.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

I will stay with the foolishness of this debate

Why support,  militarism, colonialism, imperialism, and
expansionism??  They all require a racist mentality and
the murder of many very nice human beings.

Why would you vote and support such action and policy???

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:11 pm Link to this comment

You all Democrat Supporters, who have never experienced
a racist act by someone who identifies themself as a
tea party, are going to continue with the media notion
that the Democrat Party is less racist than the
Repulican Party even though H A I T I is starring you
right in the face along with the defunding of A C O R N.
And the rejection of voting rights for citizens in D.C.
while the Democrats held large majorities everywhere in
D.C. and continue with the racist
P R I S O N   I N D U S T R I A L   C O M P L E X
so i will just leave you with a little K R I S T O FFERSON

There’re killing babies in the name of freedom
We’ve been down that sorry road before
They let us hang around a little longer than they should
have.
And it’s too late to fool us anymore

We’ve seen the ones who killed the ones with vision
Cold-blooded murder right before your eyes
Today they hold the power and the money and the guns
It’s getting hard to listen to their lies.

And I’ve just got to wonder what my Daddy would’ve done
If he’d seen the way they turned his dream around
I’ve got to go by what he told me, try to tell the truth
And stand your ground
DON’T LET THE BASTARDS GET YOU DOWN

mining roads
Killing farmers
Burning down schools full of children
Fighting terrorism

I will add,  Kris’s Dad was a well respected general
in the U.S. armed services….and that
I have been a registared Democrat for forty years and
I am a whole lot better Democrat then any of you still
enableing the Democrat Party with their criminal acts.
I am a devoted Democrat that has watched this party
become owned and beholden to INTERNATIONAL INVESTORS.
I don’t enable addictions to those I love.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 22, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Kerryrose:

That’s just what GRYM does:
1) Claim that the teaparty is not racist and there’s no “proof” it is.
2) Then try to cloud the issue by
“proving” that liberals are racist…TOO!

The logical inconsistency of these two items together doesn’t phase him one bit.

Because with GRYM it’s not about facts, it’s about crushing any argument against the fascist movement he worships and defends.

The pattern is the same with him. Deny it’s happening and then say the other side’s doing it too. (that which isn’t happening…)

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By kerryrose, July 22, 2010 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

gerard

I understand about your friend crying on election night.  I had a wonderful experience that night.  I was getting out of a class at a college in NYC.  I was driving down 125th Street in Harlem as they were projecting Obama as president.  The station was projected against a huge screen.  It was as bright as daylight and the street was full of celebration.

I feel like I was in the middle of a historic moment.

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By kerryrose, July 22, 2010 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

GRYM

You keep saying ‘I want to hear, I want to hear’ but then you dismiss, or don’t hear.

I began this thread with a direct racist quote copied right out of the Newsday thread, and ten comments later you ask me for a direct quote so you can evaluate it.

Breitbart admitted to using portions of the recording to burn NAACP because he was angry that they called elements of the Tea Party racist.  (like he can say there are none with a straight face?)  What about Williams letter?

You are not thinking deeply enough to connect when the Tea Party says they want their country back (while there is a black president) and parents saying they want their schools back while trying to segregate the minority area.

If you continue to deny the evidence or dismiss it then there is no sense engaging with you.

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By gerard, July 22, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

REDHORSE:  Pieces of the puzzle
  1. When Obama was elected I was with a friend I’ve known for years who singlehandedly raised three beautiful kids.  She spoke often of her Harlem childhood. That night she wept tears of joy when the count was certain.  I wept with her.  I am weeping now.
  2. I can’t understand why so many people are so full of hate—not just racial prejudice but even worse, the kind of hatred that enables 2% of the richest people on earth to buy, own. starve and manipulate 99% of the rest of us. And the hatred that enables BP (as one of many) to poke Mother Earth in the stomach and then walk away and tear down some mountain for coal.  What’s with that kind of destructiveness anyway?  The invective on this site is just the rancid dregs of that stinking overlordship.
  3. Nevertheless, I refuse, and other regulars on this site also refuse hatred, refuse to give in to the nation’s spiritual disease.  Thanks for that. It keeps me whole.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Who do you believe Obama, Reid, and Pelosi
represent…..........

Y O U         OR

I N T E R N A T I O N A L   I N V E S T O R S ? ? ? ?

if you need help with this answer, you are beyond help.
if you know the answer then you also know that the
Democrat Party is racist…..so why would you support them
Rupublicans and   Democrats…....
represent corporate racist jerks
Please look at Haiti many months after their disaster…

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

Cutting Social Security and raising the age limit
for eligablility will be part of the AUSTERITY
program the the I N T E R N A T I O N A L
              I N V E S T O R S

impose on American citizens…...........................

Now go talk about Sharrod some more…...................

“It’s all one big fuckin club, and ur not in it”
...........G. CARLIN…...................................

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By Tobysgirl, July 22, 2010 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, I appreciate your comments, and I believe I understand what you are saying. But you know in my entire lifetime I have yet to experience any downtrodden minorities holding a gun to my white self and telling me I could not go to school, I could not rent an apartment, I could not stay at their motel, I could not get a job, etc, etc. I’m not at all worried about the oppressed of today becoming the oppressors of tomorrow. It seems to me the oppressors in this country of ours have always been pretty much the same people! This is why I stick with that excellent definition of racism, which means if some black man tells me he hates white honky mothers, it’s just his opinion and not racism, because no white honky mothers are being deprived of basic needs and opportunities.

ofersince72, I don’t know how you could ever consider not putting in your two cents’ worth. Please stick around. Sometimes the discourse on this site is so low-grade I think of leaving, but you and Redhorse and Old Man Turtle and Anarcissie and others keep me coming back.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

What Eugene won’t tell you about the Department
of Agriculture is how both the Bush and Obama
Adminstrations held up payments of subsidies to black
farmers that they had already won in court ...........

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By REDHORSE, July 22, 2010 at 4:57 pm Link to this comment

GRYM—-I’m not offended—I think you just misunderstood me.

    GERARD—-I appreciate your empathy and concern for President Obama. Politics is complicated and I’m sure the pressure is intense. But, after Health Care, Afghanistan and the continued hijinx of the “gold sacks” boys, I’m failing to connect. I want to see the Republithugs bleed, and I want to see’em gone.

      I’d like he and we to succeed—are there pieces on the chess board I don’t see?

      Keep posting—I enjoy’em!!

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

Like you all are really concerned about the race problem
I haven’t seen one of you write about the prison
imbalance, or the D.C. voting rights, or the pathetic
funding of getto schools, ect. ect. ect.

Just a manufactured media event that Eugene wants you all
discussing so he can get his precious DEMOCRAT PARTY some
votes….................................................
Note even the blacks are fooled by this ploy anymore..
So go vote for   your murderers and brag about
your   lesser than evil vote !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By PatrickHenry, July 22, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

In my view Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack overreacted and acted brash.  When such career ending accusations are made against a senior member of his staff, a responsible administrator will not rush to judgement.

I still prefer Obama over McCain.

I have noticed a positive difference in attitudes of Black men and women I deal with and the kids my kids play with. The election of Obama was an enabler for many who were previously disenfranchised within our society.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Why did the   S E C R E T A R Y   OF A G R I CULTURE

ask her to resign before   the news   even became

public?????  Ask yourself critical questions….

Then if you can still support and vote for those that
support the mass murder of human beings half way around
the world not bothering you in any kind of way and you
can support the racist policy towards nations like
Haiti,  and Nigeria,  and Somalia…..SCREW YOU !!!!!!!
PHONY   MF ers

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

This is a manufactured media event to get ones like
you to believe that there is a difference between the
Republicans and Democrats

  When is everyone going to learn that our media is
very ,  very controlled and every little thing they put\
on is for a desired effect?
Some one wrote
“We must block the right”  well, they got you good!!!
If the Obama Admin was honest , it would have fired
the Sec of Agriculture…..............................
THE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ARE ALL SERVING THE
SAME CORPORATE RACIST PIGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why did the Democrats pull the plug on ACORN??????
Because they toooooo are RACIST PIGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By the worm, July 22, 2010 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

Yes, the Shirley Sherrod episode illustrates there is a ‘cynical right-wing
propaganda machine’.

But more frighteningly, the episode reveals the “‘fraidy cat liberal scare
machine’. If Fox news spouts something or a right-wing blogger manufactures
something, you can count on the ‘liberal media’ to pick it right up and give it
more - far more exposure than it could ever get on its own.

And

The ‘fraidy cat liberal scare machine’ is ready to react, run or race away !

The very very frightening thing about this story is not the right wing’s mischief-
making, but the liberal’s haste to bury their own.

Obama and the other Republicans in his administration (Geithner, Gates,
Summers, et al) are shameful.

The few in the administration who are ‘liberals’ are simply ‘fraidy cat’ liberals
who duck and hunt for cover instead of stand up (or even find facts).

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By Leefeller, July 22, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

“Why don’t Robertson talk about something like a guy carrying a gun at a Tea Bagger meeting and not tell us the guy was black?  In fact Robertson dost not write what I want to read so this alone makes him a bigot.”

Turn right go guy! 

Oh how the mindless do not allow themselves to use reason!

Anything Robertson writes always makes him a bigot in the blind eye of the turn right go guy, one who has never failed to show ones own bigotry!

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By gerard, July 22, 2010 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

Redhorse, July 22:  “We are prepared to stand with this President through anything. Why doesn’t he stand?”

Being the first black president, can you imagine how much he hopes to “succeed”?  How much he fears “failure”?  Can you imagine how much the huge numbers of “white supremacists”—overt and covert—hope he will “fail” and will do anything to bring him down?
  Toward the end of the campaign and shortly after election, he indicated clearly that he would “need the help” of those who voted for him.  He was asking for our cooperation to help him.  We did little to nothing.  We faded into the wallpaper. 
  When the odds against him (big money) started working behind the scenes, he and the party moguls began to feel the hot breath of the midterms.  Undoubtedly with their advice, he began to cave, talking of “bipartisanship” with people who have only one interest—to defeat him. Furthermore, his own party proved much more interested in maingaining their campaign contribution levels than in promoting any significant changes. 
  Regardless of disappointments, I can see why things have reached this point and I do not blame him for the flaws inherent in the “American” system—that is, everything and everybody is more or less for sale in this country, and it is no one’s fault but our own.  Any country that permits a six-year- war against a country like Afghanistan, wasting its resources, and trying to tell every country in the world what to do, should “have its head examined” for sure.  Something is loose and flapping in the wind.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

Still hoping against hope that ITW will one day be able to follow along. smile

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Try and understand, ITW, I don’t care about Mr. Breitbart.  The man has nothing to do with the reason I have returned often to comment on Mr. Robinson’s unapologetic bigotry. 

I don’t know if Breitbart edited a recording or not.  And neither do you.  It appears as though he is guilty of the very same thing all involved in this incident is guilty of.  Rash actions or conclusions before the full context was known. Including myself.

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You can help your cause, you know?  You could, quite easily, show us the myriad of racist incidents you and Robinson relentlessly write about.  You could simply display them here for all to see.  Correct?  We could evaluate and sum them up, Yes?

Of course my dozens of requests from you to produce exactly that consistently go unanswered.  This alone is enough for anyone to fully understand how you, and yes others of like mind,  see things in your mind’s eyes that are not actually there.

I’ve also asked you, now eight times, to display evidence of a specific lie you go on about.  You have used this “Big Lie”, as you put it, as clear evidence of racism.  To date you have ducked all requests.

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By Anarcissie, July 22, 2010 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Tobysgirl, July 22 at 5:30 pm:

‘Anarcissie, you are too sophisticated not to understand what was being said about racism. Racism is not just disliking another group or not wanting them for neighbors. Racism = Prejudice + (very important) POWER. ...’

That’s a different definition of racism than the one I use.  You can go a step further to “objective racism” where the oppressors are not even conscious of their racism, they simply enact it.

I’m rather interested in people’s theories because my life experience has taught me that before people do evil (which I do want to watch out for) they often get themselves worked up with certain kinds of speech, certain kinds of actions, which come from a certain kind of thought.  Thus I want to distinguish between prejudice—practically everyone is prejudiced in one way or another—and racism, which is a concrete belief in race and its value as a physical fact, and can be the ideological support for a great variety of crimes, including of course genocide.

If a form of thought has certain qualities, I think it retains those qualities regardless of who thinks it.  The concept of race leads to oppression and murder.  We may say that the powerless can entertain racism harmlessly because they have no power, but power is a dynamic, relative, unpredictable thing; he who is powerless today may be holding the gun tomorrow, at least in the alley you happen to be hiding in.

This may seem finicky, but the problem with throwing the words racism and racist around leads to their meaning becoming faint and blurry.  The result is that in recent years everybody has gotten in on the act, including racists.  I want to keep the ability to identify them instead of losing them in the crowd.

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By GoyToy, July 22, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Peetawonkus:

Your response to my post does not merit an answer. But
do tell what/who are these Muslins (sic) you refer to
in the Obominable Administration? Muslins…is that
some kind of fabric?

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By Inherit The Wind, July 22, 2010 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Vintage GRYM:

When the issue is a teabagger doctoring a video to make an Obama appointee look racist, GRYM never actually addresses Breitbart’s actions but brings in irrelevant examples of some sort of racism (as he sees it) on the part of “liberals”.

It is, of course, a tacit admission that Breitbart’s actions were racist and intended solely to smear a Black member of the Obama admin.

Same tactic by GRYM again and again and again.  Did he drag in the “New Black Panthers Party” again, or did I miss that?

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By JDmysticDJ, July 22, 2010 at 2:32 pm Link to this comment

Peetawonkus

Damn! I hope your being sarcastic.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Reasonable people can count. 


Let’s see if we can take part in an authentic and concerted effort to actually count the number of racial incidents amongst the protesters Mr. Robinson puts a tremendous amount of focus on.  I stand in the lane of thinking Mr. Robinson is creating phantoms.  Whether he is being honest or not I do not know.

We can easily learn how large, say, the past three or five largest Tea party gatherings had been by using local law enforcement records.  We can then, together, produce the known, tangible and verifiable, racial incidents against the numbers in the group as a whole.  Correct?

Enough talk.  Enough of the opinions.  Let us get to the very heart of this.  Reasonable people can count.

I have found five (5) separate verifiable and documented incidents of racism amongst those who claim to identify with the protesters of the past 18 months.  Mr. Robinson and others claim to see the racism as widespread.  I think they are all dead wrong.  I say what some are doing is needlessly provocative and potentially dangerous.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 22, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

By gerard, July 22 at 2:21 pm #

“…We don’t need to argue about who is racist and who is not.  Racism is an ugly fact.  The cure is resisting it by uniting for the good of all…”

Your appeal is appealing, but can’t you see that if we allow the right to go unopposed, they will be successful in their agenda of preventing the very goals you seek. Isn’t your philosophy similar to that of Obama’s; that is so reviled here? Obama’s futilely seeking bi-partisanship has been a detriment to achieving any semblance of the goals you seek.

The Obama Administration’s desire to avoid conflict, and their weak-kneed fear and submission to right wing propagandists has allowed the propagandists to go nearly unopposed. Obama has shown flashes of courage, but the overriding strategy has been a total failure. This Sherrod incident has been the perfect illustration of the phenomena.

Your contention seems to be that confronting the right is distasteful and counter productive. My contention is that the opposite is true. The progressive advances that have occurred in the past did not come from being nice and submissive; they came from aggressively pointing out injustice, making demands, and from prolonged struggle.

I don’t wish to offend you, but I’ll suggest that what you suggest is so ineffectual that most on this thread are ignoring you. Perhaps your only support will come from the right, who would love to see your philosophy fully adopted by the left.

Have you noticed how the right vilely attacks the left with accusations that the left is vile, etc. etc? Should we on the left meekly acquiesce to their attacks? If these forums have any value at all, which is questionable, it is to build a unified front against the evil. I can’t help but think that the right is demonstrably evil, and that there is a perfect storm of evidence to support my view. It’s “High Noon” and time to make a stand.

(Please forgive the seemingly melodramatic analogy. When seriously considering current realities, perhaps the analogy is not melodramatic at all.)

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By Peetawonkus, July 22, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

Happily, Alan Keyes has managed to get at the TRUE controversy in the Sherrod mess: “She eschews the temptation of race hatred that pits black against white, in order to foment and exploit the class hatred that pits the poor against the rich.”

Also, the godless atheist Muslins in the Obama administration hate her because she’s a Christian.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

REDHORSE,- “Get a grip on yourself!! I do want my country back. If the airways of “we the people” are gonna be used for kneejerk propagandist manipulation….”

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My intention was not to offend.  I was simply making the point that you have a legitimate grievance.  Your desire to “take back your country” has nothing to do with the color of the current president’s skin.  Nothing whatsoever.

On the other had you could tell us whether or not you are writing in code - as the bantam minority claim you may be when you write how you “Want Your Country Back”.

You see, I assume you mean what you write and wrote what you meant.  To suggest you are racist simply because one does not like or agree with your grievances would be, well, small.  Reasonable people would agree even dangerous.  Wouldn’t you agree?

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I have an opinion on why Helen Thomas, Bill Moyers and Dan Rather had lost their credibility.

Thomas, Rather and Moyers said or did some things they felt strongly about.  Just as it should be.  Unfortunately for each the overwhelming majority of the U.S. population found each reprehensible in some way.  In each case their contemporaries could find no plausible defense for their words or deeds. - Everyone deserves a second chance.

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By Tobysgirl, July 22, 2010 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, you are too sophisticated not to understand what was being said about racism. Racism is not just disliking another group or not wanting them for neighbors. Racism = Prejudice + (very important) POWER. I’ve had gypsies for neighbors, not a pleasant experience, but I don’t want gypsies gassed in death camps. I don’t want them unable to rent homes, send their children to schools, have bank accounts, etc. Do people on this site realize that WITHIN OUR LIFETIMES black women were FORCED to work outside the home so Southern whites had a plentiful supply of domestic labor? They were not allowed in many places in the South to be housewives. Get with it, folks, read your own history and understand how deeply this viciousness permeates our culture.

I saw Ms Sherrod on CBS this morning, and I was very pleased to hear that she is thinking of suing. The ONLY thing these people understand is money, and I think she’s got an excellent civil case for defamation of character. Too bad a higher-up in ACORN didn’t think of doing something similar.

As for the Obama administration and the NAACP, they are beyond belief.

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By REDHORSE, July 22, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

You’re to close to right for comfort OFER72. They’ve got it in deep—we’re all bleeding—and they ain’t gonna quit.

    I want to believe that our American military officer corp. would not stand by and allow implementation of your suggested fascist action—but we have to wonder.

    The qualifying reality is, so many now tnink your suggestion is a possibility.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

When America can’t meet the financial demands of the
International investors, we will be fed the same
austerity measures that the American military has imposed
on other nations all around the world for well over a
century for the exact same reasons. And they will be
enforced by our own military and the American public will
find out just how Iraqi feel, just how Mexicans feel,
find out how most Latin Americans feel and many more.

  Americans will find out that they mean no more to our
government and the international investors that they
represent than the peasants of Latin America, The Muslims
of the the Middle East, or the Blacks from Central Africa.

  So as you all go on debating this manufactured for the
media event,  remember the media and “their” government
are preparing you for the coming AUSTERITY PROGRAM. You
have already seen some of it with the OBAMACARE. and the
public bailout of international investors….
Much more is coming your way in AUSTERITY..just like what
happened to the ones in Central Africa and Latin America
that everyone turned their back on.  You also are nothing
but peasants to these creatures of money , just what makes
Americans think that they are any more than that to these
power elites??????????????????????????????????????????

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By balkas, July 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Every time bell rung, pavlovs’s dog salivated; because pavlov conditioned the dog to identify bell with food over some time, by simply ringing the bell and presenting the dog with food.

Pavlov stopped giving the dog food and only rung the bell. And dog responded to new symbol with the old one; i.e., food-bell.{actually, to dog that had been signal and not symbo}

In short, w.o. dogs slightest idea, pavlov gave the dog a new mind. Dog being unaware of the trick, cld not change or get a new mind on his own.

This is what happened to americans more than any other people: they were given the kind of minds, so that they wld react to the constitution, flag as if it symbolized not only food but truth-justice-security-well being for all.

A child with its natural [not man-made]cld have easily seen that it wasn’t even nearly so.

I can see that most posters on TD think with the mind made in america.

Somehow-s’mwhen-s’mwhy pavlov saw this phenomenon. To me, it made him one of the greatest geniuses ever.
tnx

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By steve, July 22, 2010 at 12:34 pm Link to this comment
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As an avid watcher of Fox news, the fair and balanced network, unlike all those leftist news networks, this leaves me scared.  We whites have to take back our country.  We are going to be left with sitting on the back of the bus and attacked by the black panthers who are now on every street corner in America.  WHITES TAKE BACK THE COUNTRY NOW.  DO NOT SURRENDER!!!!!  GET BARRY OUT IN 2012.  GO PALIN!!!!!!!!!

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By REDHORSE, July 22, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

GRYM—Get a grip on yourself!! I do want my country back. If the airways of “we the people” are gonna be used for kneejerk propagandist manipulation, mindless distruction of American cultural vales and the selling of schlock, make’em pay. The American psyche is attached to a goldmine. Why should they get access for free? TAX’EM BIG TIME!! DO IT NOW!!

    You’re grasping at straws my Brother.

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By Peetawonkus, July 22, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

GoyToy
Ideally people come to these websites to read the article at hand and comment on it. If you don’t think it is worthy, you can always go to someplace where they’re discussing matters that you consider to be more important.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, July 22, 2010 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
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Sherrod said that the reason she had to resign immediately was that the story (with edited video) was going to be on Beck’s show that night and Obama, Emmanuel, Gibbs, and Axelrod all needed to change their pants again.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, July 22, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
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Don’t blame the right wing.  We’ve always had the right wing and we always will.  Blame the gutless wonders in the white house who shit their pants every time Limbaugh and Beck go on the air. Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity know that Obama and the entire W H staff are afraid of them.  That is what is shameful.

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By mikey, July 22, 2010 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
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Cue the race baiters! The dems are getting ready to
lose the next two elections. Gotta deflect their failures
somehow.

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By Blackspeare, July 22, 2010 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

No doubt the NAACP had a knee-jerk reaction to the Breitbart report, but the quickness with which the NAACP did condemn Shirley Sherrod indicates a guilty conscience.  Soon the USA will be a nation of minorities and racial and ethnic tensions will increase as each side vies for supremacy.

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By GoyToy, July 22, 2010 at 11:19 am Link to this comment

Why is this a big deal? People are fired every day for
all kinds of “reasons.” Yes, she was wronged, but given
the focus on this story aren’t there more important
things we need to be discussing?

It’s the economy, stupid…and healthcare…and,
and….

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By Peetawonkus, July 22, 2010 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

Breitbart has been involved in doctoring video before, as in the so-called ACORN tempest in a tea party. These ultra-right wing operatives will always cook information in such a way as to distort it to their purposes. Breitbart, or some other willing tool, will do it again. And again. If it isn’t ACORN or Sherrod or Swift Boat or Whitewater or some other lie that’s peddled to the credulous it will be another. And the usual suspects will pick up these lies and distortions and run howling with them until they, too, are disproved. And then on to the next one. There are vocal posters to TruthDig who, only days ago, were active in condemning Sherrod. Now, since that right-wing candy turned to a turd in their mouths, they’ve gone back to doing their favorite broken record skip: Obama hates white people. Skip. Obama hates white people. Skip. Business uber alles. Skip. NAACP hates white people. etskipera.

What’s pitiful is how quickly the Obama Adminstration threw Sherrod under the bus to appease the Reich-wing. This is what we knew all along—the Democrats cringe and whimper everytime Republicants bark. Democrats behave like a defensive underdog Party even when they’re in the majority. Fire Vilesack and give Sherrod his job.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

There is so much criticism of the Obama administration here this day.  The only way this can be explained is to understand the venomous hatred for a black president.

RedHorse’s comment “American airways owned by “we the people” need to be returned to our control….” sounds eerily similar to racist code words “We Want Our Country Back”. 

This is growing by the day.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

kerryrose, July 22 at 2:11 pm

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I would like to know more about the segregation you write of, however, you did not answer any of my questions.  So far, from what I see in the reporting, the Abrams School situation is nothing akin to the Tea Party racism you have conveyed to us here today.  How, for example, did you draw a line between “We Want Our Town Back”, referring to gun violence near an elementary school, to the Tea Party?

And, no, I’m not a registered user on any of your local sites.  Perhaps you could copy and paste these offenses for us to evaluate ourselves?

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You simply see “frustration” here on TruthDig?  Sincerely I ask; is that a way of rationalizing and mitigating what is clearly the daily hate and venom right here on this very Web space?

To be frank with you.  I’m starting to wonder if you see things which are not there and quickly ignore that which is so clearly before your eyes.

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By REDHORSE, July 22, 2010 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

I thought ANARCISSIE saw it clearly. Why was there, a “kneejerk” Obama political response, without prior investigation. OFER72 magnified the insight with his ACORN comment. It nails the maddening thing about this administration. Truth and reason have fallen by the wayside. Only spin counts, (”—we gotta beat Beck to the punch—”). There is no moral center. Any political wind can blow ‘em, unless it affects Rahm and his “gold sacks” friends.

      How is it, that Breitbart, and other FOX types, can manufacture and promote lies with impunity, while real journalist like Helen Thomas, Bill Moyers, Dan Rather and others are silenced. There’s, the source of our rage. The message, like Orwell’s “how many fingers” question in 1984 is, we can, against your own self-interest, make you accept a lie as reality.

      It is a power stealing vampire tactic, that leaves Americans twisting, in emotional political space. If our President can’t confront it—who can?

      American airways owned by “we the people” need to be returned to our control, and those who wish to use them, heavily taxed. We’re in debt, we need the money.

      MR. ROBINSON!! do you think we don’t understand, that we are under attack by lying fascist thugs? The “racecard” trumps nothing. We are prepared to stand with this President through anything. Why doesn’t he stand?

      The Sherrod Incident is just one more example of the moral vacuum this administration exudes. We’re not suprised. Why are you?

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By gerard, July 22, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Are-are not!  Will-will not!  Did-didn’t! Is-isn’t!
For the love of God, people, where do you expect a “conversation” like this to take us?

The big discrimination under which we all suffer is the hugely obvious fact that we ordinary people are being prevented from uniting for our own good. We need the wars to end.  We need to get the money and power spent on wars spent on jobs building roads, schools, alternative energy plants, hospitals, houses, railroads. We don’t need to argue about who is racist and who is not.  Racism is an ugly fact.  The cure is resisting it by uniting for the good of all.

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By felicity, July 22, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Reverend Wright told the truth.  Guess what, blacks
just like the rest of us get pissed when they get
screwed and getting screwed for centuries accumulates
into a lot of anger toward the screwers.

Blacks really are people, not inferior to or superior
to whites.  They react to injustice the same way
anybody else does.  If Obama didn’t harbor some
resentment towards whites, he wouldn’t be normal.  Live
with it.

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By kerryrose, July 22, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

GRYM

Maybe since you are not a member you can’t access the comments to Newsday’s articles.  Community members put in their two cents, and it can be pretty ugly.

As a teacher in the area I understand their fears, however relegating the minorities to isolation when the children are beautiful with much promise, is not the answer.

They are closing one school, and stopping plans on the construction of another. It is already done, votes cast.

I don’t hear racism on TruthDig.  I hear frustration about the level of racism that has ballooned since the election of Obama.  I also hear venom directed at the haters which is a good thing because ‘letting everyone have their say’ doesn’t count if its discriminatory language.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

So I take it that all of the Obama Administration
supporters are OK with racism, just as long as

they can point fingers to Mid-West middleaged white
people that happen to be upset because of the financial
crisis that ruined a lot of retirements, and the Obama
and Bush handling of that crisis.

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By balkas, July 22, 2010 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Had anyone espied the fact that with establishment of first city {?jericho, ?eridu, ?lagash] heralded the end of civilized behavior.
The first city or town was in fact a large prison, but with minimum security.

All power was vested in priestly class; who cld easily subjugate 99.99% of civitas, with help from armed guards [possibly of criminal nature] and high walls.

And to this day, ?all cities are but open prisons, and their citizens totally dependent on people; mostly living on the fringes of cities or steep mountains, islets, crags.
Being mad, they are climbing even mountains in order to get away from us.

And to make the citizens even more dependent, drugs are allowed to come in.

Meanwhile, the fiercely interdependent classes 1,2,3 live in secure mansions; guarded by steal fence, guards, dogs, and surveillance cameras.

How ab classes 4,5,6,7,8,x? Well, go look. I self am class 7 canadian.
Since our car had been broken into dozen times; resulting in broken windows and exhausted batteries, because thiefs leave doors ajar, i now do not lock the car and have removed the roof and trunk lights.
Ok! I shldn’t bemoan my position in our society. I did finish last in my class and never ever went back to any school.
So the crooks never got to me! This doesn`t mean that i am the sanest person alive. In some ways i am a basket case and other times i`m close to it!  tnx

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

The Obama Administration and their racist policies,

Should I start right here in the good ole U.S. of A

and go around the world from HAITI, to Central Africa,

then into the Muslim World,

to show all the racist acts by the Obama Administrion??

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

The Obama Administrations handling of the

  H A I T I A N     R E B U I L D I N G

after that terrible disaster is an extremly

  R A C I S T     A C T.

So he and Hilary Clinton are racists and should
not worry about all the racist slurs thrown at them.

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By Noballs Nospine Nochange, July 22, 2010 at 9:32 am Link to this comment
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While Mr. Obabma is not a racist he is a gutless coward.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 9:28 am Link to this comment

When I vote,  I vote against
Militarism, expansionism, imperialism, and colonialism.

For some reason,  a vote against all of the above usually
covers race.

So vote against the murder of innocent human beings
and you will be voting against racism tooooo..

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

kerryrose,

Which comments are you referring to?  From where?  I would like to see it myself.  Will you speak out passionately against the daily hate and venom on this site when you see it?

What were the stated reasons for re-segregating schools?  Who re-segregating the schools?

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In another relevant thread I had asked if you would lend some verifiable examples of the racism you write of.  You did not respond.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

Peetawonkus, - “Hold on a second, dukesman2000. Black people can be racist. I’ve been called “cracker” or been accosted on the sidewalk for no other reason than I was white and happened to be there.”

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Was it Tea Party bigots which accosted you?  Who were these people who write of?  Has it happened before?  Did you instigate the situation in some way?  Please tell us more.

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By kerryrose, July 22, 2010 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

GRYM

Read the community comments for the hate and venom.  The resegregation is parents attempts to stop the building of a new school to allow for the merger of districts.  Desegregation happened six years ago.

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By Peetawonkus, July 22, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Hold on a second, dukesman2000. Black people can be racist. I’ve been called “cracker” or been accosted on the sidewalk for no other reason than I was white and happened to be there. Political ideologies about superiority and class aside, racism is also about hating people for the color of their skin, not for something that individual may or may not have done. Individuals disappear only to be replaced with symbols and stereotypes.

But all racism is not equal. One major difference is that in the United States blacks and other minorities have never been in a position of power. There do indeed exist black racists and Korean racists and Native American racists—but they’re not running major corporations or holding political office in the United States. In other words, they’re not in a position to politically impose their racist will on anyone beyond a few unlucky individuals.

Tea Baggers, who espouse an ultra-right-wing political ideology, have often found themselves at the same rallies with Christian dominionist and white supremacist individuals. The neo-Confederate ideology of the Tea Party movement seems to attract these kinds of people whether the Tea Potters want them or not. In other words, if you dump crap on the grass you’re going to attract flies. The Tea Party clearly seeks political power and are quite possibly on the verge of gaining it. If the Tea Party cannot and will not address the racists within their group, then they are no better than a mob. However, as many suspect, once these racists are purged the Tea Potters will be stripped of the glue that holds them together.

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By Steve E, July 22, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

For me Barry’s performance during this fiasco says it all. What a spineless cad.
This also demonstrates the Presidency is run by the so called Chicago mob headed
by Emanuel. I’m pretty sure Jarret had a hand in this with Gibbs looking like a
pathetic fool.

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By ofersince72, July 22, 2010 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Ho Hum Eugene, it continues, so will I. I will make it
short repeating what has already been said.

The racism that blacks need to worry about is institutional, they know this and could care less what
some redneck thinds about the black race.

Once again Eugene,
Who was the party in the majority when funding for ACORN
was pulled.
Who was the party in the majority with a filibuster proof
Senate when voting rights for D.C was rejected once again.
Who was in the majority on Capitol Hill when the 100:1
crack to powder manditory sentencing was concocted.
What party has been in collusion expanding the prison
industry that is represented all too much by the black
race?
  That is the racism that the black man and woman is
concerned with.  The gettos and economic conditions
they have been forced to live with for centuries.
Quit electioneering Robinson and earn you Pulitzer for
a change, it is becoming as much of a joke as Obama’s
Nobel.  Expose the murder in Afghan and Iraq. Try to stop
the next agression that the
99 - 0 Senate
408-8   House
vote preludes.
Quit being so partisan,  that isn’t your job sir!!!!!
What are you doing ,  making a move to be the next Obama
press secretary????????

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By Go Right Young Man, July 22, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

kerryrose, - ” ‘Clean it up’  ‘We want our town back.’  Sound familiar?

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I immediately thought something was off about what you were attempting to convey here (Tea Party racism).  I had to know more.

I’ve read seven news articles covering the story of the Abrams School.  Where is the segregation -or re-segregation- you write of?  Where is the hate and venom you wanted to share with everyone here? 

Did you forget to mention that it’s the district parents and the school board wanting to close the school over issues of safety for the elementary school children?  Did you somehow miss an opportunity to explain how “we want our town back” had nothing, whatsoever, to do with race, or the Tea Party, or Left Right politics and everything to do with crime and gun violence?

It’s easy to shout racist.  It’s also an extraordinarily dangerous ploy.

If memory serves you also claimed to have attended Tea Party protests and witnessed comments of racism and hate all about you, yes?

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Two examples of several news items re: the Abrams School

At an emergency meeting Monday night, officials narrowly approved the closing by a 4 to 3 vote, siding with parents who said they feared for the safety of their children.

Now, the 340 sixth graders slated to attend the school in the fall will be moved to other district buildings.

Gun violence around the intermediate school sparked the demand for its closing. At least three shootings over the past eight months were believed to be gang related. Days ago, a 16 year old was wounded just blocks from the school during a graduation party.

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Suffolk County legislator, John Cooper, told PIX 11 News that between July 4 and July 13, four different events took place close to the school. In one incident, a teen was shot and killed. In the second, two other youths were shot. Two other people were stabbed in a third incident. Then, last week on July 11th, a 16-year-old girl was shot in the leg, after leaving a house party on Allison Court. The shooting took place just yards away from the Administrative offices of the Huntington School Board.

The community is split about closing the school. Former PTA President, Rebecca Sanin, told PIX 11 News it’s a shame Jack Abrams is closing, because it was an “excellent school.”

Legislator Cooper says there is an issue in nearby garden apartment units with some drug and gang violence, and he called on the Suffolk County Police Department to address the crime. Another parent said the violence never affected the day to day education programs at the school.

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Kerryrose, I believe this news item to be a great deal more honest and appropriate here today.


Documents show media plotting to label Obama critics as racist

“And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician….”

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By Anarcissie, July 22, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

dukesman2000, July 22 at 11:42 am:

‘A Black person cannot be a racist. ...’

That seems like a racist theory to me.

Racism itself is a theory, and I don’t see any reason why any sort of person can’t believe in any theory other people can believe in.

The case becomes more complicated with discriminated minorities for various reasons, but as they are likely to have the same capacities for stupidity and cruelty the majority do, usually at least some of them manage to adapt.

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By dukesman2000, July 22, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

A Black person cannot be a racist. If a Black person hates white people, it has nothing to do with racism because of the history between the two the races. I call it a normal reaction an abnormal past action. Racism based on definition and history was created by whites. If a robber breaks into your house with the intention of hurting your family,  are not a robber too because you grab your shot gun and chase him out? If you know that a man has raped your mother and murdered your father, is it wrong for you to detest that person? Absolutely not. All this talk about Black Racism or reverse racism is malarkey.

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By Peetawonkus, July 22, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

What amazes me is that, after the ACORN non-scandal, anyone in the White House would believe that Andrew Breitbart would present a video about one of his most hated organizations that was actually unbiased.

Instead of being gullible stenographers, it would be refreshing if the media would do its job for a change. I’m not a journalist, but a few investigative questions might have been asked of Breibart, such as: Why did you post the video if you didn’t have all of it, especially after making a statement about context mattering so much? Why did you say she was a federal employee at the time? Why did you then go on TV and say she was a racist if it wasn’t about her? How on earth can her lack of racism prove NAACP’s racism?

Ultra right-wing posters on this site rail and howl about the Liberal Media. If the media was so liberal, why do so many of these right-wing con jobs make it into the mainstream debate?

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By Anarcissie, July 22, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment

There are always going to be people who want to spread fear, hate and lies.  What I’d like to know is why the Obama adminstration was so afraid of them that they panicked completely.  Obama is afraid of the likes of Andrew Breitbart?

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By Leefeller, July 22, 2010 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

What is funny, people like Palin, Beck and even Limbaugh along with bull shit Fox News get away speaking their points of view and are accepted as speaking the gospel and do not get called on it or fired, because they are the same people who wanted to see this person fired, hypocrisy is alive and well. A victory for the hateful?

Go Right Young Man saying he has never seen such hate and Venomous comments, what the hell are you seeing?  Go Right Young Man are you referring to Shirley Sherrod episode and her getting fired or to the article? From the Kerry campaign to Hillery to Limbaugh talking about Obama, if these folks are not constantly promoting hate what are they promoting?

The bigots are alive and plentiful.

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