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Truthdigger of the Week: Rep. Dennis Kucinich

Posted on Dec 30, 2011
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As the year draws to a close, the U.S. government risks repeating the costly mistakes of the recent past by ratcheting up tensions with Iran, emphasizing risky sanctions over diplomatic negotiations and making fact-challenged claims about Iran’s nuclear program. Good thing Rep. Dennis Kucinich is on Capitol Hill to call Congress on its deadly war addiction. For his willingness to make a stand against almost all of his congressional cohorts and his refusal to accept shoddy arguments and distressingly repetitive rationalizations for entering into yet another precarious foreign entanglement, we salute Congressman Kucinich as the last Truthdigger of the Week for 2011.

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It’s alarming how short our nation’s collective memory, not to mention its attention span, can be when it comes to missing signs of the manipulation of information during the lead-in stages of conflicts with other nations. Rep. Kucinich called in Friday with a history lesson and an update on the debate he brought to the floor of the House about why we shouldn’t listen to the building drumbeat of war with Iran that seems to hold most of Washington in its thrall.

First, a little background. Two bills have made the legislative rounds proposing sanctions against Iran in the last year: The Iran, North Korea and Syria Nonproliferation Act (H.R. 2105) and the Iran Threat Reduction Act (H.R. 1905). On Dec. 14, H.R. 1905 passed with only 11 members of the House, including Kucinich, opposing the bill. Minutes later, H.R. 2105 also passed, and this time only two congressmen—Kucinich and California Rep. Pete Stark—voted against it.

“We actually warned members about this,” Kucinich said Friday. “We sent out letters to members of Congress, and I went to the floor to speak against it.” But Kucinich’s arguments were shot down from both sides of the political aisle, as his colleagues seemed eager to accept the predominant rhetoric claiming that Iran was dead set on developing its own nuclear weapon and that imposing tough sanctions is the most effective way to thwart the threat from Tehran.

This, despite warnings from the likes of Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Adm. Michael Mullen, who noted in September that open diplomatic channels were key in preventing big miscalculations and miscommunications. As Kucinich pointed out in his letter to Congress members on Dec. 12, “Section 601 of H.R. 1905 prohibits contact by a U.S. government official or employee with any Iranian official or representative who ‘presents a threat’ to the United States,” a clause that sharply curtails diplomatic interactions between the two nations, but the prospect of this potential gag order apparently failed to stir up much concern. “You see how little attention is paid to any details and facts,” Kucinich said of his opponents in Washington.


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So, here are the facts as Kucinich saw them as he took a moment to talk to Truthdig’s Associate Editor Kasia Anderson on the last business day of the year.

Kasia Anderson: There appears to be some push back from other members of Congress about this issue of whether our hands would be tied, diplomatically speaking, by H.R. 1905. How can you all be looking at the same document, and yet one member of Congress says this won’t compromise diplomatic communication and another says it would?

Rep. Dennis Kucinich: I can tell you from my perspective. Everything I try to do is fact-based; I work from a fact-based position. There are some members who made up their minds a long time ago to advance conflict against Iran, and I think the impact on the U.S. and the world would be devastating. There’s no reason whatsoever for us to move into a war against Iran. And we should not be rattling sabers—we should not be taking steps that escalate. And so I think from my perspective when these issues have come up in the past regarding Iran, I understood that the neocons have had extraordinary influence in keeping up the tensions, but someone has to say that they were wrong about Iraq. Someone has to hold the neocons responsible for the drumbeat for war that cost the lives of thousands of American troops and perhaps over a million Iraqis, that will have a long-term cost of about $5 trillion and that has further damaged America’s position in the world. The same people that brought us Iraq are changing the q to an n and advancing a whole new war based on the same type of flimsy predicate that brought us to war against Iraq.

Anderson: In your debates about the sanctions against Iran, you drew parallels to the lead-in to the Iraq War and to the Gulf of Tonkin, among other historical lessons. Can you expand on those here?

Kucinich: The Gulf of Tonkin is relevant here because the American people were largely unaware of what transpired during an encounter—a so-called encounter—in the Gulf of Tonkin that led directly to the war in Vietnam. We are now in the Strait of Hormuz, in an area where there’s a tremendous amount of traffic, and the potential for conflict is real. This is why I quoted Admiral Mullen in saying that he wasn’t looking towards any escalation here. Anybody in the Navy understands how real the risks are of ratcheting up a military presence in the Strait of Hormuz as a means of [imposing] sanctions from the very beginning—sanctions were in and of themselves a path towards escalation—a direct path towards war. … Congress can’t seem to get away from this drumbeat of war. As an institution it seems incapable of avoiding another war. The American people don’t want another war.

I led the effort in Congress in 2002 in challenging the march towards war. There was no evidence that Iraq had the intention or the ability of attacking the United States of America. There were no WMDs—it was all a put-up job to take us into a war. And the people who took us into it have never been held accountable, from Bush on down; members of Congress are equally accountable because they voted in favor of the war. We cannot break free of the hold that war has on our country. The implications of conflict with Iran are extraordinary. Unlike Iraq, Iran has the ability to fight back. Unlike Iraq, Iran is a major player in the economy of the world, and the implications of conflict with Iran will be felt globally and can put the U.S. in a much broader conflict with other nations as well. This is a very dangerous moment.

Anderson: How is it that Congress gets swept up in this kind of rhetoric?

Kucinich: It’s really a kind of reverse Houdini phenomenon. Houdini was famous for escaping being bound, but members of Congress are famous for binding themselves—binding our nation into perilous conditions. And so how does that happen? I don’t see war as being inevitable. I see that we have an obligation to use diplomacy to avoid war, and we have a greater obligation in this heavily mediated society to work to get at the truth and not be swept up into war by ideologues or by war profiteers who both cashed in in Iraq.

With an American economy falling apart. ... We are at a decisive moment in the history of this country where we have to begin to make a conscious choice of a domestic agenda over foreign conflict. If we fail to do that, we will lose our nation.





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By drbhelthi, January 6, 2012 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

@ Mark E. Smith, January 3

From my viewpoint, your overview and summery is very accurate. 
Sad to say.

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By kulu, January 6, 2012 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

If anyone is interested in getting at the truth about Iran’s nuclear intentions google Seymour Hersh who was on Democracy Now a few weeks ago. He throws a great deal of light on what is really going on particularly with regard to the contents of the latest IAEA report.

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By kulu, January 6, 2012 at 11:32 am Link to this comment


Thanks for your thorough and informative reply to my questions about the French situation. It is always good to get a better understanding of how other, particularly non-English speaking countries see things. I think your views on the American apathy and inertia are also to the point.

I live in Australia where we are but a lesser version of the US - US lite as it were. It’s quite sickening to me really. We are “blessed”, in the eyes of most, but not mine, with an abundance of raw materials that China are happy to take and we are happy to dig up just as fast as we possibly can.

In this way we have avoided for the time being the economic disasters afflicting the North Atlantic countries. The sh*t is sooner or latter going to hit the fan here too, I have no doubt.

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By Rafael Ravenet, January 4, 2012 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
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I was able to meet and publicly address the Congressman at the Seattle Green Festival last year.  The obligatory question/answer phase of his talk was coming to an end and it was my now my chance. I looked out over the hall to note any fidgeting, blank looks or early exits. I thought this to be a good opportunity and my real intent was to address the audience as well as the Congressman himself- Q&A’s are good for this type of thing. 

I was there with a grass roots organization and the Congressman’s address happened to be just another great benefit to attending the festival. I knew of his courageous voting record and was thrilled to have a chance at meeting this remarkable man. I wasn’t going to let my stutter or my awkward and nervous hesitations get the best of me.

Congressman Dennis Kucinich was standing confidently over the podium.  His crisp demeanor and self assured tone was refreshing to witness; particularly after an hour or so of addressing a festival audience. 

My turn came up and so I stood to ask the Congressman the following basic question.

What can Americans do to get on the same page given obvious public dissatisfaction with issues ranging from the environment to FIRE sector failure, wealth inequity, war and much more?

Congressman Kucinich’s answer was as concise as his record has been crystal clearly intelligent, fair, honorable and heroic.  He looked out over the audience and referred to the same technology liberating other peoples/other countries. I heard him note Twitter, Facebook, blogging, videos, audio, messages, the whole ball of wax. 

Congressman Kucinich rightfully acknowledged the need to strengthen the country’s mutual public resolve and correctly unify the populace around identification of the problem.  Be it late- we must at least know the challenge before subsequently arriving at a solution.  Are we up to joining him on this part of what can easily be described as perhaps the greatest challenge facing our country in generations?
Insolvency, default, economic failure are basic-possibly existential problems. Did we achieve twentieth century greatness just to lose our economic and potential political sovereignty to whatever it was that William Black, Michael Hudson, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Klein and countless others agree broadsided the greatest nation in history?
America did not achieve greatness by favoring the monarchy or solely benefiting the rich.  America became great by standing up for truth, fairness, rule of law and all the things this country possibly learned from the political service of heroic figures such as Dennis J. Kucinich, Democrat, 10th District Ohio.  Bravo Truthdig for identifying the right man for the right reasons.

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By PatrickHenry, January 3, 2012 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment


Works for me.

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By Outraged, January 3, 2012 at 6:50 pm Link to this comment

Re: PH

Your comment:“Is that your endorsement for the
Republican candidate?

And you criticise Ron Paul, with Bachmann where does one start…. oh yeah talks to god.”

lol….probably as close as I can come to an endorsement. You know what they say, I don’t worry so much that Bachmann talks to God, but that she thinks God talks to her!

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By M Henri Day, January 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment

Mark, agree with much of what you have to say above, but one point, at least, requires further clarification - «The US stopped pretending to be a democratic form of government a long time ago.» No it’s still pretending, just as it’s still pretending that all of the wars in which it has engaged since WW II were not wars of choice, but had been forced upon it (even Mr Reagan’s war on Granada, that dire threat to the peace of the region). Note that here, too, the US is simply following the example of Nazi Germany, - the invasion of Poland on 1 September 1939, for example, was forced upon the German government, the latter claimed, by an attack earlier that morning (the Poles are early risers) by Poland on Germany. The unfortunate thing is that this pretence remains eminently successful - most people, not only in the US itself, but in the rest of North America and Europe, still buy it - or at least their governments do, with little meaningful opposition from the people being ruled. Here in Sweden, for example, all foreign policy matters are treated by «our» corporate media and «our» politicians as if they were employees of the US State Department - or other agencies. Ordinary people are often more cynical about US goals, but the vast majority are not sufficiently engaged to force the government to the subterfuges that were required during, say, the US war on Indochina ; now it can openly send military forces to participate in the US/NATO war on Afghanistan and Libya under the guise of «humanitarian intervention». It is only when enough people in the USA see through the «democratic», «humanitarian» bluff being carried out by the US government so that it becomes a burning issue in your country that it can become one here ; until then, our status as a political, economic, and not least, cultural satellite will keep it off the front burners here as well….


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By Elton, January 3, 2012 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment
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MarkE Smith—- you appear to harbor hatred against anyone, even strong proponents of an end to militarism, who questions the wisdom of Israeli policies. You did not state this, I admit. But it seems implicit in every line you wrote. You make a few dozen accusations in youir article, citing no specifics or quotes.

Israel can be a powerful and respected hub of economic activity in the broader region…if it decides to be. Strapped-on bombs from the occasional desperately lost Palestinian have never been a threat to the survival of Israel. Please consider a better approach. Whatever their policy goals, Kucinich, Paul, etc., are working for a more peaceful world.

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By Mark E. Smith, January 3, 2012 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

Right, Glider. In 2008 Kucinich said, long before dropping out of the race, that he’d support whichever of his good friends, Hillary or Obama, got the nomination. He’s a shill, talking about peace to draw the suckers in, then supporting his party’s war criminal at election time. A good con game has to have good shills, and Dennis is one of the best—people like him, trust him, and will blindly follow him into GATT, NAFTA, rendition, torture, wars of aggression, TSA, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Homegrown Terrorism Act, NDAA, and anything else his Democratic and Republican fellow oligarchs feel like doing.

More than 90% of voters disapprove of Congress, but ask them who they’re voting for and most will name a present or former Member of Congress. It’s like people saying that they know the Mafia is an organized crime syndicate, but they like their local capo because he’s different and better than the rest of the Mafia.

Progressives used to be outraged about the way US prisoners are strip-searched for no reason every time they are taken out of their cells, and now they’re not even outraged when ordinary people are similarly violated for trying to board a plane or bus. It’s not boiling frogs any more, it’s frog toast and you can stick a fork in it.

I’ve been an election boycott advocate for five years and I woke up this morning thinking, “What’s the point? The US stopped pretending to be a democratic form of government a long time ago.”

As for Occupy Wall Street, their demands boil down to, “Please stop beating our heads in.” That’s the same demand that all victims of US professional torturers have been making for decades, and it hasn’t been the least bit successful. The government that people vote for is paying people to beat other citizens’ heads in, and that’s what they do for a living in an economy where other jobs are hard to find. The big corporations that run our government can always pay half the workers to kill the other half.

Victor Frankl was a Holocaust survivor who wrote a book about how concentration camp humor helped people survive, only to commit suicide years later when he saw the world turning fascist again. He didn’t want to live through it twice. It wasn’t a joke the first time and it isn’t a joke this time either.

Sweet-smiling, sweet-talking Dennis Kucinich, and Alan Grayson, Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, and the others in Congress who speak and/or vote against war or bank fraud or the erosion of civil rights are part of the biggest war machine on the face of the earth. They don’t really want to change it because they enjoy and benefit from being a part of it. They’re as hypocritical as the people who vote for them.

This is Nazi Germany, and people are still waving the US capitalist imperialist flag, singing the national anthem, voting, and doing their patriotic civic duty to the state in every way they can. Even those who’ve had to bury sons and daughters, think it is worth it so that they can continue to have cars and flat-screen TVs and cell phones. And the progressives are thinking their magical positive thoughts that will make everything better if only enough people think magical positive thoughts.

The US has already killed millions of innocent people in its wars of aggression, more than 80% of them noncombatants, primarily women, children, and the elderly. Looking at what US-backed dictators did in Latin America, it may take decades before the US has disappeared enough US citizens for people here to begin to think about ousting the oligarchy. They don’t even recognize it as an oligarchy yet—they’re still calling it a republic. You can call a scorpion an ant, a cricket, or even a butterfly, but that won’t stop its sting.

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By glider, January 3, 2012 at 5:45 am Link to this comment

Kucinich does give nice speeches.  I was unimpressed with his sellout following all the tough talk followed against the Health Insurance Company Bailouts.  He now seems to be awfully comfortable being a professional token idealist within a corrupt system.  I would like to ask him why not challenge Obama now when he possibly could make a difference, and not have to contend with a whole pack of Dem contenders as in 2008 diluting his message.  Somewhere I have to think he agreed not to be a problem for Obama’s LOTE 2012 run.

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By PatrickHenry, January 3, 2012 at 4:01 am Link to this comment


It’s so fucked up it makes Bachmann sound sane!

Is that your endorsement for the Republican candidate?

And you criticise Ron Paul, with Bachmann where does one start…. oh yeah talks to god.

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By Lafayette, January 3, 2012 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

ai: This country (Iran) has a well developed military and is a solid, unified nation.

The above comment is either grossly naive or blohosphere shilling from the mullahs.

Iran could break apart at a moments notice if its people were willing to accept the death-count that an all out, massive civil-disobedience would entail. This is the awful price that has been paid across North Africa by muslim populations, necessary to free themselves from autocratic control.

For the moment, the Iranian people remain docile, so the mullahs (with their military cronies) remain in control.

The last Iranian election was a farce, so Iran has very little hope of a fair and honest democratic process.

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By Lafayette, January 3, 2012 at 1:39 am Link to this comment


I believe things are turning for the worse now in French society as it, itself becomes more conservative and inclined to indulge in militaristic actions or posturing. Am I right?

Politically, the French are split fifty-fifty, much like Americans as regards their voting patterns. It is a middle-ground of “independent voters” who carry the day by swing-voting.

The present President is on the Right and he could well lose the election, just as much as Obama is Center-Left and could well lose his election as well. It’s all about jobs, jobs, jobs.

Political lightning has to strike somewhere and its usually upon the person in the seat where “the buck stops”. It’s kinda stoopid, but jobs, jobs, jobs has always been a primary rule of politics.


The French have a “viable” military force that it can put to action in discrete circumstances, which is small, controllable and implies no massive intervention.

Which is why US support activities were critical to the Libyan intervention. The Americans did the hefting, the French and British did the air-attacking.

This is the likely model that will be followed - and that does not necessarily mean in Syria. No military intervention is being planned and, for the moment, it is hoped that diplomacy and time will see the fall of the House of Assad.

So, the short answer to your question is No, the French have no gung-ho Mililtary Posture, as does the US. Moreover, its defense industry is in dire straights since it cannot offset costs by selling abroad. The ex-Iron Curtain countries have the non-high tech part of the market almost entirely. And the US has the high-tech part.

So, there is no or very little Military-Industrial-Complex that must be continually fed and pampered by politicians. The total budget for the EU defense structure is a pale percentage of the DoD’s budget.


America spends too much on EVERYTHING, from Health Care to Defense. It’s cost problems are far more crucial and will considerably constrain Federal spending in years to come.

Frankly, for as much as I prone Stimulus Spending, particularly on Social Justice, I doubt the US will change its present spending habits greatly. Not without a sea-change in grassroots mentality that elects a more progressive Congress.

And the chances of that happening a very remote indeed.


Which is why I live in France. The French are much more politically active and have a constant media presence that can affect government decision making. Unlike the US ...

OWS is a constant in France. In the US it has become fashionable and topical. The OWS, though I hope not, could very well wither on the vine. Because Americans are, comparatively, politically apathetic.

Regardless of the presently politically active blogosphere, which should not be overestimated.

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By prosefights, January 2, 2012 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Fred Fair Shattuck School 1956 rellow grad and whitman college fellow student is buddy and Taos, NM neighber of Donald Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld is on facebook.

So we wrote on his wall.

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By Outraged, January 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Why…just why don’t Americans know what to think regarding Iran, (other than we don’t want war). This is why:

Headlines from today:

“Bachmann would deploy missiles, use blockade against Iran?”
“Iran asks US to unfreeze assests”
“Iran says US sanctions will not work?”
“Iran shops for support in Latin America”?
“Iran currency plunges 10% as US strengthens sanctions?”
“US and Israel run out of options against Iran”?
“Iran Makes First Nuclear Fuel Rod”?
“Is the US ‘sleepwalking into military confrontation with Iran ..”
“Iran, real target of attack on Syria”
“US Iraq withdrawal great victory: Iran?”
“Iran-US brinkmanship over oil strait worsens”?
“Iran says US sanctions will have ‘reciprocal consequences”

Is there anything here in the headlines alone that would make one believe that you’d get anywhere near the facts. When you line up the headlines it reads like the Republican Primary garbage.

The sad fact is I could “google up” a hundred more but what good would it do. Personally, I believe NEITHER side… could you? Seriously.

But let me recap, there’ll be consequences for the sanctions that we’ve run out of that aren’t working while Iran is shopping in Latin America with a currency that is losing value. In the meantime the US is blindly gunning for war with someone who’s gunning for war with us in Strait of Hormuz even though we really want to war with Syria and Bachmann is intent on blowing the whole shittery to smithereens.

It’s so fucked up it makes Bachmann sound sane!

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By kulu, January 2, 2012 at 10:44 am Link to this comment


What a relief it must be to live in France as opposed to media deprived countries such as America and Australia from whence I hail. I believe things are turning for the worse now in French society as it, itself becomes more conservative and inclined to indulge in militaristic actions or posturing. Am I right?

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By Elroy, January 2, 2012 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

One poster dismissed Kucinich with this remark:
“...remember how he voted for the totally flawed
universal health care plan by stupid obama!!!”

I believe Obama and Kucinich knew that nothing more
could be squeezed past enormously-powerful BigPharma
and Health Insurance corporations. I’m amazed that
they even managed to get insurers to roll back on

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By PatrickHenry, January 2, 2012 at 7:46 am Link to this comment


One of the main reasons I like Kucinich so much.

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By angryinla, January 2, 2012 at 1:00 am Link to this comment
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As Mr.Kucinich says Iran is not Iraq or Afghanistan. This country has a well developed military and is a solid, unified nation. This might prove to be a bigger bite than this country can chew. It would be much wiser to keep diplomatic channels open.
And just because Iran has inner problems with its government, it doesn’t mean that the population would not support its leaders if there was an outside threat. The Persians are a very old, and complex society and they will not be easily cowed. Of course, come to think of it nor were the Native Americans, the Vietnamese, etc. Many nations gave it as good as they got during the fighting.
As for a well balanced view of the Iranian Nuclear Weapons hysteria, listen to Seymour Hersh discussing this topic on

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By Lafayette, January 1, 2012 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment


Samson: ou’ll be much better off when you do at least that.

I don’t watch any American TV.

I live in France ... which has its own sort of national “parental control” in the form of an National Broadcasting Oversight Board. Which is highly effective as a national body (with a large budget) that watches all channels and can close them down should they traverse the rules against unbalanced reporting.

American TV comparatively is the Lowest-Common-Denominator pits, the intent of which is to manipulate minds for both commercial and political purposes. It is highly effective in those ends.

There are laws here in France - which are enforced - against public defamation. So the character assassination political commercials simply do not exist on French TV.

One drawback is the incessant amount of “debate TV”, where politicians repeat forever their points-of-view, which gets eminently boring.

But debate is essential in a well-functioning society.


We have taken in America our sense of “freedom of speech” to a point of excess. Having quite forgot that the flip-side of “freedom” is “responsibility”. That is, the notion of decency by which the private lives of individuals is not considered to be fair-game and injury to a person’s reputation is regularly punished by law.

Which are attributes of a developed society that does not rummage about in the gutter to provide questionable “entertainment”.

Or, to put it another way: It’s a rules-based society. (And I can find, if need be, at least 100,000 permanent American residents who likely would agree with most of the above post.)


And yes, movies that have full frontal nudity are common fare here. They have yet to “pollute” French youth with the wholesome beauty of the female body. A woman’s bosom is not considered “offensive” fare. Quite the contrary, in fact.

What pollutes, otoh, is the heavy-content violence of American programs, for which parental controls are mainly employed. After all, this France, which is not hung-up on sex.

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By Rehmat, January 1, 2012 at 10:25 pm Link to this comment

Congressman Dennis Kucinich, like Rep. Ron Paul has the bad habit of angering the powerful Jewish Lobby. In June he angered the Lobby by traveling all the way to Damascus to meet Syrian President Bashar al-Assad who maintains close relation with anti-Israel Hamas, Hizbullah and Iran. Not only that, Dennis had the gutts to praise Bashar al-Assad while blasted the corporate media for fabricating lies against Syrian regime.’s-toe-again/

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By AnAlienEarthling, January 1, 2012 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Moto, since the end of WWII, we have been following a policy of “money and guns”: so much of the containment policy, the arms race, the “proxy” wars (our funding “insurgencies” against governments that would not accord our national interests, but those of the former USSR - I believe it was Weinberger who claimed that the US was responsible for the “downfall” of the former USSR, the effect of our Taliban-insurgency against the former USSR) were a “money and guns” policy, if I understand you correctly.
After this roughly 60 years of death and destruction, don’t you think we should return to the drawing board?

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

korky day,
i often advise those people who appear upset over trivial matters such as spelling, syntax, and grammar not to read
my posts.
lots of people get the message sent and those who receive the message never complain.
only a few people complain; they are, i conjecture, of the supremacist/meritocratic bent.
i think that the english is one of the worst languages for spelling and hearing it accurately.
it is just too bad that world had accepted this language as lingua franca.
italian or spanish is much better for uneducated people and for hard of hearing.
in any case, i write mostly for uneducated people.
and believe me people read my posts and get the message and because of that a dozen sites have banned me from
posting; among them common dreams, antiwar, haaretz, j’lem post, ICH, huffington post.
and precisely because the administrators got the message and because they did not like it.

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By Korky Day, January 1, 2012 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

To balkas in Vancouver:  I’m in Vancouver, BC.  E-mail me at korkyday at yahoo dot com.
Write your comments somewhere with a spelling check and then paste them in here, please. We can’t stand to read your spelling.  Most people, I’m sure, don’t read your comments.  I won’t, either, if you don’t have consideration for us, your readers.

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By prosefights, January 1, 2012 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Whitman In Kabul

U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker ‘71 and newly-tenured Foreign Service Officer Joey Bristol ‘01 are shown at the Sept. 11 commemoration
ceremony at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul, Afghanistan….
In July 1980, Zbigniew Brzezinski of the United States met Jordan’s King Hussein in Amman to discuss detailed plans for Saddam Hussein to sponsor a coup in Iran against Khomeini. ...
Crocker surely knows details of what happened.

‘Crocker was then assigned as chief of the economic-commercial section at the U.S. Interests Section in Baghdad, Iraq.’ Wikipedia

And we’ve been trying to encourage Whitman College to put some pressue on him to write what he knows.

bill is 1959 math major graduate of Whitman College. There he learned how the liberal arts ‘educated’ ‘think’.

This knowledge is now used to try to recover our $22,036 stolen by some of the liberal arts ‘educated’.

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By Textynn, January 1, 2012 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment
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It would be awesome if Kucinich went for broke and threw in with Rocky Anderson.  I wanted to see a Ron Paul / Kucinich ticket but mostly because I see that as very doable even though I am not a strong RP supporter.  At least RP’s not a crook and together they would end the Fed.  Plus if TPTB don’t fix the election and openly deny the country their elected president, barring that, R Paul could win.

Kucinich is one of a handful representing the American people and we need to support him every chance we get.
Thanks for all your brave work, Mr. K.

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

last comment before i go on my beauty walk. all the UNTOUCHABLES in
india are democratic and if india shld wage war all wld be welcome to
join it.
is the onepercent emulating india and creating own class of very
democratic untouchables in order to obtain soldiery? but only if they stay
devoted to democracy, because that’s the only thing that counts?
achtung! this is not a prediction? but a mere THOUGHT! tnx

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

never allow ur child even near a school let alone enter one and listen to
the onepercent’s ‘teachers’.
yes, that wld violate u.s constitution; so, beg i u don’t try it! tnx

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

i am mad for agreeing with u. ok, i don’t think u stole our—oops, my THOUGHT.
i solemnly declare that everything i say, had already been said and probably for millennia in all
cultures, lands, but i still like to entertain some illusion for myself. [btw, i still hate—sort of]
beeing only a messenger instead of a savior]
damn it, this is so deflating! scuzi mi, but ayam still under the pavlovization treatment; so beg, ur
indulgence!! and it is very tough doing all that by my lonely self and pavlov being dead and his
astounding [at least to me] discovery hated by 99.9999% of americans and 95% of the world pop. 
as for my english; its spelling, grammar, typing, [with one finger] syntax, remember i finish last in
both of my elementary classes; so, scuzi mi! grazie. no i am not italian. i forget where iyam from!

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By Moto, January 1, 2012 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

Russ Feingold is a POLITICIAN with his head up his ass. What are you people going to do besides bitch. I’m sure none of you will like this but our country is so ‘f’ed up that the only thing that will make change is money and guns.

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

turn off religion, schooling, MSM, ‘educators’, infantainment on TV,
hollywood movies, most [99%] posters, and u’d be on the road to
freedom [depavlovization].
and i’ve been doing that for at least 40 yrs. sorry, for starting so late; i,
too, had been pavlovized—and for the first 50 yrs of my life. tnx

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By Samson, January 1, 2012 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

To Lafayette ... at the very least, use the TV’s
parental blocking controls to block all the American
‘news’ channels.  Block CNN, FAUX, MSNBC, CNBC, all
of them.  I did it years ago.  You’ll be much better
off when you do at least that. 

Between blocking the 24-hour pure propaganda
channels, and with selective use of the fast-forward
and mute buttons, you can at least make TV safe to
watch some sports and a handful of decent shows.

And, that way you’ll still have your TV to watch
channels like FSTV and LINK and watch Democracy Now
and Bill Moyers.

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By Samson, January 1, 2012 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

Dennis Kucinich, sitting safely on the sidelines
doing exactly what Pelosi and Obama told him to do
... which is not to create a primary challenge to
Obama.  Maybe someone should name a hot-air balloon
after Kucinich.  Politically, that’s all he is. 

So, will the lefties sit around dreaming about
mythical campaigns that don’t exist?  Or, will they
turn out to vote for Ron Paul as the only name on the
Presidential nominating ballots that is anti-war and
which might actually provide some change from 12
years of Bush/Obama.

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By Lafayette, January 1, 2012 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

there is the solution: depavlovization of people.

Turn off the boob-tube and throw it out the window.

In one felling stroke you will have depavlovized yourself.

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By balkas, January 1, 2012 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

there is the solution: depavlovization of people. recall, that pavlov had been
humane enough to depavlovize his dog and the dog lived happily ever after.
however, as long as supremacists [pavlovs] control schools and curricula, expect
only worsenings. personal and religious supremacists with their ‘infallible’
ideologies wld not ever do what pavlov had done.

there is nothing wrong with human race. we are what nature made us. it did the
best it cld for us. there is no more than that and it is butiful. stop listening to
priests and supremacists. that’s all folks! tnx bozhidar balkas, vancouver

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By bpawk, January 1, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

As Albert Einstein said:

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

I would amend that slightly to say “Voting in the same people over and over again and expecting different results” is the American Way.

Wake up sheeple, either bring in a third party or don’t complain.

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By M Henri Day, January 1, 2012 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

I note that on both these bills, Ron Paul is recorded as «Not Voting» (see the links in the article text). Was he campaigning in Iowa at the time ? Was it impossible for him to make it back to Washington for the roll call, or did he regard voting against these sure-to-be-passed bills as so Quixotic that he didn’t feel the need to stand up and be counted ?...


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By george szabo, January 1, 2012 at 7:02 am Link to this comment

Your American economy is hopelessly tied in with the arms industries. Think
Jobs,  jobs, and more jobs. Unfortunately you also have a penchant for thinking
that every other nation is waaay less superior than that you guys…. and
consequently as the Nazis did in WW 2 , you tend to dehumanize the race you are
going to invade. This makes it easier for the less educated majority of your
population to wave the flag even more vigorously and support the war machine….
Read the words to the song Universal Soldier, and if people lived by those
credos, maybe some wars will end. However, the human race, being the least
intelligent of the living species will probably never stop killing each other.
This earth will survive with or without us stupid human beings…
Happy 2012 everyone…...

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By EmileZ, January 1, 2012 at 2:31 am Link to this comment

@ Lafayette

Sorry Lafayette, but you are the “sheeple”, blame us all you want….

Public Image Limited - Careering

(good music for aerobics and/or other morning exercises.)

I must say, I can sympathize with you to a certain extent, as I am basically engaged in similar internet activities.

You and I, we are very much alike.

Just kidding, happy new year you pompous ass!!!

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By Lafayette, January 1, 2012 at 12:48 am Link to this comment


There is not only a gaping reach between the 1-percenters and the 99-percenters individually as regards comparative wealth, but between Americans as whole and their representatives to Congress.

There are 237 members of Congress with a net worth of more than 1 megabuck. Can’t believe it? See here. And here are photo portraits of the top Congressional members and their Net Worth.

Do you think these people really ‘n truly care how much a crosstown bus ticket costs for people to get to work in the morning and home in the evenings?

I don’t. If we have one of the world’s worst Income Distributions on this planet, for a rich country, why do we keep electing millionaires to Congress?


For instance, are these people going to vote for an affordable National Health-care System for ALL Americans? Or are they going to continue pampering the vested-interests of their friends in the private insurance companies who provide astronomically costly Health Care insurance?


For the short-list go here.

Guess who’s having a happier New Year than we, the sheeple?

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By Korky Day, December 31, 2011 at 11:25 pm Link to this comment

If Kucinich supports Obama for re-election, will TruthDig rescind this award?

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By AnAlienEarthling, December 31, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

Obama’s Xmas present to the nation: the National Defense Authorization Act - another nail in the coffin of our Constitution.

Time to begin a serious write-in campaign for Representative Kucinich. He needs to be on-board - he and Feingold!!!!!

Kucinich and Feingold in 2012!!!

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By Rod Lemay, December 31, 2011 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment
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To take over the U.S. government, all The Military-
Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned against needed
only a very weak president. They now have one.

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By EmileZ, December 31, 2011 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

This is an important interview.

I am so very glad you selected Kucinich as Truthdigger of the week.

He is always out there, one of the few sober voices among so many hundreds in the house.

His voice cannot be amplified enough.

curmudgeon99 writes: “It ain’t Washington who is addicted to war”

Well they certainly can’t seem to say no.

“I am powerless over the war machine/economy and it is destroying my country and the planet”.

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By examinator, December 31, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

I’d go the other way around PAUL has some irksome policies.

I’d like to suggest a change of name for the segment.
From truthdigger to common sense digger (CSD)
To me it’s more realistic Kusinich has some not so wonderful corners too.
Truth to me is an absolute,and that tends to cover the less admirable (human) elements. A classic case is Obama his political proclivities were there before his election as prez. People lionised him i.e. he was awarded the peace prize based on unrealistically perceived *expectations*.
He couldn’t/didn’t achieve them thus his fall from grace.
Kusinich’s *actions* on this instance deserves rewarding *but* he did so safely….the vote wasn’t changed by his contribution.
If his vote had made the difference against unbelievable pressure….there was a risk then he deserves greater accolades.
Finally K didn’t dig any truth rather he showed commonsense.  Truth digging is the like whistle blowers (Bradley Manning) or Anonymous’ revealing the bank of America’s, govt etc campaign to discredit OWS.
Is a spoilt non entity like Kadasian a truth digger if they say give $10000 to or a Red cross? In here world that’s chump change.

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By John Drabble, December 31, 2011 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment
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Ever hear of the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act? Non-violent animal rights activists have been sent to federal prisons under that law. A law that Kucinich, the Vegan, could have prevented passing in the manner it did. I leave the research to you- You’ll believe it if you find it on your own.

Check out this website for info on how the FBI pursues animal rights activists as terrorists.

Truthdig needs to be more careful in who it selects as heroes. From the War Monger Dan Savage (see to torture apologists like Ruth Marcus ( and Scott Ritter whose arrests are described by Wikipedia in this manner: “Charges included “unlawful contact with a minor, criminal use of a communications facility, corruption of minors, indecent exposure, possessing instruments of crime, criminal attempt and criminal solicitation”.[40] Ritter was found guilty of all but one count against him in a Monroe County, Pennsylvania courtroom on April 14, 2011.” Truthdig provides a forum for the enemies of progressiveism.

I think I’ve had enough. Chris Hedges work appears elsewhere and that’s all I find worthy of my time here these days. Dionne and Robinson are just conventional wisdom spewing liberal versions of Wills and Krauthammer.

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By bpawk, December 31, 2011 at 3:59 pm Link to this comment

America needs a third party as Dems and Repubs are two heads of the same monster serving corporate interests first, with taxpayer money of course - look, if you bring in the same people you will get the same results year after year - that’s a no-brainer - but you need to show them the election is not sewn up - how many times do you need to get fooled? Remember “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice (looks like quite a few times for Americans), shame on me”! If you keep voting them in and don’t try to bring on someone else, you have no right to complain.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 31, 2011 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Arouete the easy answer would have been “no.” But the IAEA is now a political weapon of the USA. So Mr. Kucinich found that was more important to speak of it in this limited forum.

mario lopez if you had actually been watching you would have seen enormous pressure was put on him to pass it or others would have worked with the Republicans to throw him out of office. He picked the greater good.

Ron Paul would be a different kind of disaster an no friend of us. He is a friend to the extremist Christians and corporate power. Just check out his status with various gold companies and their brutal mining interests that made him a millionaire. But someone like Doug Finegold or Kucinich would be very different and would work to dismantle the growing corporate-theocratic power structure that has established itself like a parasite growing huge off of the blood they have taken from our economy while suppressing our rights.

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By balkas, December 31, 2011 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

americans are not stupid, neither were germans, italians, and japanese
they were just pavlovized. and still are. and the ruling class, the 1 to 20%
are not going to depavlovize them as pavlov did for the pavlovized dog.
pavlov was humane enough to do that for the dog and the dog regained
hisher capacity to be happy, at peace, and sated; while the germans,
japanese, americans are still in obama’s, merkel’s, and hirohito’s—oops
pavlov’s clutches.

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By balkas, December 31, 2011 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

robjira, right,
i think your post confirms my fears/expectations that it doesn’t matter
who get’s the presidency.

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By balkas, December 31, 2011 at 1:27 pm Link to this comment

this bears repeating and if for no other reason than that there may be new readers on this site who
haven’t read what i often say; tho not in exact same words each time i say it:
1)the wider the look, the wider one is
2)pay attention to what changes and what never changes

so what changes, say, in u.s [also just about everywhere]? amount of crumbs, freedoms allowed u;
degree of peace of mind and in the world, exploitation, lying, deceiving, ‘promising’ are in a constant
flux, but the ideology [whether socialist or asocialist—the latter i also call “supremacism”, twin sister
of nazism—never change.

this means that no matter who get’s the presidency, expect only the changes i just enumerated while
the ideology on which constitution and governance rest wld remain unchanged.
thus, i am ‘predicting’ that in next election 97% of americans wld vote for a Dem or Repub; i.e., for
the two wings of one goose.
and the clash between socialism and asocialism will last forever unless global warming or a large
come tends life on this planet or one of them is utterly eradicated. tnx

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By robjira, December 31, 2011 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Excellent choice. I for one hope DK will remain in
the Legislature, for the office of President has
largely become one of “Salesman in Chief.” What’s
being sold, and whom to you ask? The “agenda,”
whatever it may be as determined by the actual,
moneyed constituency (which may sometimes be referred
to as the Electoral College; remember, the “popular
vote” is by and large an opinion poll, while it is
the Electors of the afore mentioned college that
actually select the President). This agenda is being
sold to us, Populoque Americani. The pitch needs to
be appealing, and convincing. It further has to
match current popular sentiment,hence the selection
of Obama, “the choice of a new generation.” The
powers that be realize that if “the vulgar Mob” is
not placated, it’s just as likely as not that the
nooses and guillotines will be trotted out once
As for Kucinich’s caving on Healthcare “reform,” none
apart from those actually involved can speak with any
certainty as to what really took place between the
Prez and DK. Suffice to say, Obama is a product of
the infamous Chicago political machine. He is,
therefore, probably quite familiar with which screws
to apply and how to apply them.
Anderson/Nader ‘12; Finkelstein for State; Bacevich
for Peace/Defense.

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By berniem, December 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich may lose out because of redistricting and here I am next door in Pa. stuck with a millionaire t-bagger by the name of mike kelley because the people in this part of Appalachia are so damned stupid and bigoted that they can’t see beyond their own petty greed and still believe the crap about trickle down! How tiring all of this has become! FREE BRADLEY MANNING!!!!

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By mindful, December 31, 2011 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

You have heard about the ugly American, but its really the stupid Americans. Republicans rip elders SSI and trash social programs while voting to restore all military gravey trains.

People sit back and honestly think gay marriage is all there is.

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By BeatnikBetty, December 31, 2011 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

I want THIS GUY to be president in 2012. I’m seriously
writing him in.

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By drum4one4all, December 31, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment
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I supported DK in 2004 but not in 2008.  Why?  Because he refuses to leave a system that is corrupt.  I no longer give consent through voting for what this country is all about. DK may be on the human side of the monster ball…but he is still playing a bogus game of evil or worse evil.  There IS no change from the inside…there is ONLY building a new paradigm.  Please do not vote for 2 evils.  Stay home.  Delegitimize the farce.  Stay home.  Do not give, through your vote, consent to rape.  Do not vote.

@ David Cyr….“45.7%, the 59,934,814 (R) voted for war to continue being “dumb”
52.9%, the 69,456,897 (D) voted for “dumb” to become “intelligent”

@ Mark E. Smith…I agree.

@ sanda_artistNYC…That was sad.  And it just shows really, if he were President he’d be selling out everywhere.

Well…That’s what we’re up against.  The consenters.  The voters.

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By Ed Romano, December 31, 2011 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

When President Eisenhower was trying to get the Congress to approve more “aid” for the French when they attempted to reestablish Vietnam as a colony after WWII, he said many of the members probably wondered why we were so interested in this little country in far off Southeast Asia. He explained that it was because the area was rich in oil, minerals and other valuables and we could not afford to let these
goodies fall into Communist hands. We never again heard such honesty concerning our interest in Vietnam. After this we were always told that we were only interested in stopping the spread of communism and bringing democracy to those people.

In the early years of our involvement it was only old time radicals from the 1930’s, folks around the guardian newspaper, and a few other radical organizations that opposed the war and our massive military build up in that part of the world. The main criticism was that this was a capitalist adventure plain and simple. As the war dragged on, and the military was requiring great numbers of young men, millions of Americans joined the anti war movement. Many of the folks on the real left thought, naively, that these liberals would be a real force for change once the war was over. The fact that the anti war movement had been co opted by liberals was not generally recognized on the left. But the take over became apparent when toward the end of the war we began to hear a mantra that went something like this ...This war is a mistake and the sooner we can get it over with, the sooner we can get back to the business of being America.

When this writer realized that the anti war movement had been swamped by the liberals I saw that nothing would be learned from the war and, in fact, for the last two years of the conflict I dropped out of the movement altogether…..No brag here, but wasn’t I right? Was any lesson learned, other than the one by the government not to allow reporters anywhere near
the action in the various adventures that followed?
  If anyone wants to ascertain the root causes of most of the wars we get into…follow the money. It usually leads back to Wall St. and the arms industry. The fact that the great majority of Americans seem unable to make this connection is cause to wonder, as DeTouqville did a long time ago, if democracy is not wasted on this nation.    Ed Romano

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By curmudgeon99, December 31, 2011 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

Re-reading the exchange of ideas just emphasizes the mistaken choice of Kucinich for this award.

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By Bushfatigue, December 31, 2011 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

The same cabal of neo-cons, their wealthy benefactors, and their friends
throughout the media and government who lied us into the invasion of Iraq (  are
at it again.

They have placed a very pliable director to head the IAEA
(, who
is ready for a price to provide headlines, while issuing reports that provide no
hard new evidence of a weapons program. (See, e.g.,;,7340,L-4145796,00.html;

And members of Congress, like a group of trained seals, rise up and honk and cheer and clap their hands at every inane and inaccurate claim by Netanyahu during his speech, and vote on every proposal drafted by AIPAC, out of fear of its power.  So off we go again into disaster. 

What a pathetic mess.  And ironically, as all this militarism weakens the United
States, and strengthens China, Russia, India and others,  over the long term
Israel will be harmed, not helped, by this neo-con manipulation, for these other nations are not Israel’s friends.

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By letidb, December 31, 2011 at 10:57 am Link to this comment
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In sales, you sell the sizzle, the sexy and the simple.  War is all that not just for
United Statesians but for all human beings.  It has been stamped into our DNA
since time immemorial.  What makes us “exceptional” over others is our (1)
ability to wage hugely devastating war and (2) unquestioning, mindless,
lemming-like acceptance of the sales pitch.  And that pitch is all the more
heinous in dark times like these when we common folk fear the ugliness and
complexities of home foreclosures, months and months of unemployment,
paying for food AND medicines, etc.  War is the meth we ingest from politicians
and the lemming press (and their handlers) to take us away from our harsh
realities and feed our savage DNA within. 

Sadly, so very sadly, Dennis Kucinich is an aberration in regard to both our
addictions to foreign war and our addiction to domestic hate (vis a vis the likes
of Ron Paul).  We United Statesians will never listen to him.

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By Timbob, December 31, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Let’s not forget the ” K ” street contingent. There is a huge amount of money available to use in pressuring the legislators to vote for ongoing conflicts. The fuders of the Lobbyists all make BIG BUCKS keeping the conflicts going. Remember Money Talks in Washington.

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By curmudgeon99, December 31, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Check this out..

How many of you are familiar with this film from the distant past?

Bears another look if you are and a good long first look if you are not.

The link to the letter about contamination of the Middle East and beyond reminded me.

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By sanda_artistNYC, December 31, 2011 at 9:44 am Link to this comment
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Good as Kucinich talks and usually does good, I stop supporting him when he gave in and voted for the President’s inadequate health care bill, saying “I have to support my President.”.

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By drbhelthi, December 31, 2011 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

“The fact that we, and not cockroaches, are having this exchange can be attributed
to the patience, experience and wisdom of leaders, advisors and agents on both
sides of the world in 1962. Can any of us feel such confidence about the majority of
politicians we’re electing these days?”

How very scientifically accurate !
“- the majority of politicians we´re electing these days” ?
N o t   h a r d l y !
There is however, a double handful.  Thank God.  They refuse to be bribed by zionist,
wall street interests, and are not intimidated by threats to their lives by the NAZI
entourage, if they don´t play follow the leader. 

The work of the majority was clearly demonstrated last week, as the occupant of the
POTUS slot signed NDAA 2011, putting it into law, flaunting the Constitution of the
United States of America.  Which, nullified the constitutional rights of Americans.

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By sciencehighway, December 31, 2011 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

@Angel Gabriel—Thanks for the link to an excellent article. Yes, those are exactly the sort of rational (and terrifying) projections one rarely sees invoked once the war drums start beating. Let’s hope they’re being acknowledged in the Situation Rooms of every player in this looming catastrophe. Thanks again for the exchange, and good luck to you in the New Year as well. Good luck to us all.

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By Dean Charles Marshall, December 31, 2011 at 7:05 am Link to this comment
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Sometimes I wonder if “truth tellers” like Congressman Kucinich are just “blowing in the wind”. Here’s a patriotic American with all the integrity in the world trying to do his best for the American people only to be marginalized by the rest of the political establishment as a crank and a hack. Sure it’s great have people with the courage to speak the truth, but seriously, is the average American so caught up in celebrity worship, gossip mongering and techo distractions really paying that much attention? I think most Americans are hoping someone will just put our smoldering train wreck of an economy back on track so we can all get back to our obscene and salacious levels of wanton consumerism and American Dream gibberish.

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By balkas, December 31, 2011 at 6:29 am Link to this comment

altho i approve of much of what kucinich says, i, nevertheless, note that he objects to [some or is it all?] of u.s wars on
basis of a rationalization; to wit: “congresspeople [et al] were wrong about iraq”, “actions that damage u.s position in the
world”, “there are no reasons to wage war against iran”, “u.s addiction to wars”, etc.
why such vacuities, overgeneralizations, etc? instead of saying that u.s aggression against iraq had been a venture against
our humanity, our right to life, peace, etc.

who of us humans gives a hoot about damage to u.s position in the world after its so many crimes against humanities.
damn it, it is not damaged enough! that’s also a burden on us who seek some sanity in the world!
and, i aver, there is the CAUSE [THE FIRST CAUSE] for all wars and the possibly coming war against iraq. and it is the same
one that commanded u.s to aggress against korea, cuba, iraq, afgh’n, and many other countries.
only reasons change, but the cause of wars remains eternally the same: THE SUPREMACIST THINKING; IT’S THE THOUGHT
so, kucinich, please note the difference between what never changes and what always does! tnx bozhidar balkas vancouver

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By David J. Cyr, December 31, 2011 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Dennis Kucinich:

“There’s always a certain group of people—Republicans and Democrats alike—who will vote for war.”

Yes, and the Problem is they are the 99%.

In 2008, 59,934,814 “ignorant” American voters voted for McCain to continue having war be “dumb” done… and 69,456,897 “intelligent” American voters voted for Obama to redeploy rhetoric, so the perpetuation of “dumb” wars of aggression would be considered “necessary” and “humanitarian” to please liberal sensibilities.

45.7%, the 59,934,814 (R) voted for war to continue being “dumb”
52.9%, the 69,456,897 (D) voted for “dumb” to become “intelligent”
98.6%... a 99% near unanimous supermajority We the People provided popular vote mandate for the corporate (R) & (D) party’s perpetual war!

Jill Stein for President:

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

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By Marian Griffith, December 31, 2011 at 5:57 am Link to this comment
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If I let out my inner cynic for a moment I can not be surprised that the American leaders are all in favour of perpetual war.

Who make up the majority of the fighting forces? Young white men from impoverished mid west areas and young black men. Both side of the aisle see part of the armed forces as potential voters for their opposition and would prefer to have them out of the way in some remote desert without much contact or ability to vote.
More so, what will happen if these young men come home? They return to a country where they have little to no opportunities, but they are disciplined and trained to resort to violence. In other words they are riots and revolts and revolutions waiting to happen. Again, it is much better if they are far away, preferably dying for the benefit of their political and corpocrat masters.

Finally, with spending on the military so high it is the easiest way for a politician to bribe his or her voters by providing the part of the population that is not asked to die abroad with a subsistence job that will keep them occupied (when the television does not manage to numb their brains into piles of stagnant goo).
And of course the corporate rulers of the country stand to earn billions with each war, so they are always gently pushing towards one.

Now, there is no grand conspiracy, but it must have crossed the minds of politicians that these reasons are why it is ‘convenient’ to have yet another war…

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By kulu, December 31, 2011 at 3:45 am Link to this comment

To my mind there are two issues of US foreign policy that are both morally wrong and in the end counter-productive to the US’s own interests; their obsession with war and creating enemies for itself and their unbridled support of the pariah Israeli state and its all out assault on the Palestinians, its continued human rights abuses and its flouting of the rule of law. I’d be interested to know if there are any members of Congress who ever oppose or otherwise attempt to address the this issue in anything like a “balanced” way.

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By Angel Gabriel, December 31, 2011 at 1:49 am Link to this comment

Well spoken ScienceHighway, point well taken. Surprisingly truthful article in the
NYT?  Here’s a back up to the “Perpetual War idea

With this in mind I’ll bet the Israeli’s are packing for a long extended Holiday on
the other side of the planet!  I hope those that push the buttons take this in as
Thanks for a bit of good conversation ScienceHighway it’s refreshing!
Good luck in the New Year!
from NZ

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By Arouete, December 30, 2011 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

Please notice dear readers! Finally, after two pages we get to the issue!

Question: Anderson: What about the claims that Iran is developing its own nuclear weapon?

Answer? Another page of mumbo jumbo and flying hyperbole but not no answer to the question. “Fact based”? No where does Kucinich deny the allegation or tell us what he in fact knows (shh…. it’s a secret?) .

All politicians are fungible in this regard. None can give a straightforward answer to a simple question. Serbia, Iraq, etc. Fine, let’s remember; but let’s talk about *these* facts not just those. I understand he calls for scepticism and does not like Congress’ response but prefers diplomacy. However, that’s an answer to a very different question.

When a journalist tries to nail a foot to the floor politicians just run in circles.  What we need are journalists willing to nail the other foot to the floor.

Rather like the mainstream media clones who tremble in fear they are one wrong question from the unemployment lines, the journalism on the left does not seem very different - just more sanctimonious perhaps,


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By CanDoJack, December 30, 2011 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment

It seems that the constant scratching its war itch by the
Congress as well as the Executive with its ability to
coerce other countries into assisting it to freeze
national financial assets and movement of any nation they
desire puts the US in the position of terrorists.

Thus is it unreasonable to assume that any military
authority anywhere in the US has the power to imprison
Congress and the Executive interminably and without trial
because they pose terrorist threats?

So what exactly IS the unspoken aim of the US government?
Would it be to demonstrate it military might so that
financial creditors like China are afraid to demand
payment when the US defaults on its debt?

If the US is assuming the role of World Police force,
does it not realize how tacky is the ostensible willy
nilly approach with which it goes about its aims?

Should not the POTUS spend more time repairing the
nation’s infrastructure and has he no shame about the US
appearing as a defunct, rusty old autmobile in the yard
of a house in a Mississippi hick town with a rack of high
powered “hunting” rifles in the living room in an open,
cheap veneer cabinet?

Even Ron Paul sees through all this.

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By mario lopez, December 30, 2011 at 10:37 pm Link to this comment
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he’s a sellout like the rest of them!!! remember how he
voted for the totally flawed universal health care plan
by stupid obama!!!

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By MeHere, December 30, 2011 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

Mark E. Smith has explained it perfectly well in his post.

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By Mark E. Smith, December 30, 2011 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

The problem isn’t that Congress is addicted to war.

The problem is that oligarchs like Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul are addicted to Congress.

And so are voters. They want different puppets, but are happy with the system of corporate rule itself.

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By sciencehighway, December 30, 2011 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

@Angel Gabriel Israel may not be the dominant factor you believe it to be. Congress has numerous members on both sides who believe (along with their industrial benefactors) that the Great Depression was ended through war, and that only a permanent wartime economy will resolve our present situation (not to mention be incredibly profitable.) As a lifelong booster of the American space program (I’ve written and produced a full series as well as several specials on the subject for The Discovery Channel) I have to admit that Lyndon Johnson’s tactic of ensuring that every congressional district had some investment in the program - a plant, a training facility etc. - in order to keep Apollo funded eventually backfired on us, as there are very few members of the present Congress with the wisdom or courage to vote against those well-entrenched interests.

Conflict over military ambitions is not new, and fools have often held sway. Air Force General (and Joint Chief) Curtis LeMay went to his grave still believing Kennedy a rank coward for not invading Cuba once the missiles were discovered, despite subsequent evidence (Kruschev’s diaries) that the Cuban generals on the ground already had the launch codes and would have entered them at the first reports of a landing. As Rep. Kucinich points out, the Cuban Missile Crisis was only resolved through back-channel diplomacy - exactly the solution outlawed by H.R. 1905, despite the fact that the Hot Line between the White House and the Kremlin was installed immediately after the crisis in order to make communications easier should tensions ever escalate so dangerously again.

The fact that we, and not cockroaches, are having this exchange can be attributed to the patience, experience and wisdom of leaders, advisors and agents on both sides of the world in 1962. Can any of us feel such confidence about the majority of politicians we’re electing these days?

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By curmudgeon99, December 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

Kucinich talks big and carries a nerf bat.

Feingold - yes
Paul - yes
Kucinich - give me a break
Obama - needs top go back to Chicago

It ain’t Washington that’s addicted to war…it’s the U.S. economy that buys and pays for Congress to make war.

Obama leads the way….

From yesterday’s news

the Obama administration announced today, saying the deal “will support more than 50,000 American jobs.”

FWIW - yesterday the quote was directly attributed to Obama…not the administration

Another example of our ‘free’ press

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By Angel Gabriel, December 30, 2011 at 8:12 pm Link to this comment

No mention at all of the Government placating Israel’s want for this next
doomsday scenario???  Very weak Dennis and Ms. Anderson! You talk about truth
but forget to tell it! Sad!

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By Alan MacDonald, December 30, 2011 at 7:41 pm Link to this comment

If we catch a break, Kucinich and Ron Paul might be alternate (former) Vichy party candidates via the Americans Elect on-line primary experiment on an anti-Empire ticket.

If not, .... well ...

Best luck to all in the hereafter,
Alan MacDonald

Best luck and love to Occupy Empire, also.

Liberty, democracy, justice, and equality

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By Tuscany, December 30, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment
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Representative Kucinich isn’t running this time, but Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party is.  Why not just vote for Rocky Anderson?

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By AnAlienEarthling, December 30, 2011 at 6:53 pm Link to this comment

Excellent interview!
  Representative Kucinich is one of those rare members of Congress for whom the title “The Honorable” remains appropriate and true - Senator Sanders is another.
  One point that Kucinich didn’t actually mention, but of which he is no doubt aware, is the overwhelming “value” that jingoism / belligerence has acquired in our country for winning elections / re-elections.
  In part this has to do with our own understanding of patriotism. It seems that for an overriding majority of Americans “patriotism” is virtually synonymous with “willing to kill for country,” “not protesting against war,” “not protesting against the Pentagon’s stranglehold on ‘embedded” journalists’,” etc. It seems that there is no patriotic value in doing one’s best as a parent, in trying to inculcate in one’s children a sense of values that respects the “common good” referred to in the Constitution. However, Kucinich’s positions have always tried to accord with that fundamental aim.
  Like so many others, I supported Obama, but feel thoroughly betrayed by him. He completely squandered what a tsunami of “idealism,” the likes of which hadn’t been seen in politics since Bobby Kennedy’s campaign, an idealism which this country thirsted for, that this country so desperately needed. In its stead, Obama has left us in a drought filled with despair.
  We suffer a deeper plague of cynicism - it was “The Emperor’s New Clothes” in fact! The depth and breadth of the cynicism for which Obama is in large part responsible can be gleaned from the fact that Kucinich’s down-to-earth approaches - respect the Constitution, construing domestic and international problems from a moral view, and NOT in terms of their “election” value, seeing them realistically, and pragmatically - have now come to seem “idealism articulate”!

  As others have commented, unfortunately, Kucinich is not running with Feingold, but couldn’t we pressure Obama into doing the right thing by WRITING IN KUCINICH?

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By TLeeJr, December 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Love Kucinich. His DEED act in the house needs to be passed, and addresses the
real root cause for the Iranian, Libyan, Afghanistan wars/conflicts as well as all
conflicts since WW1. Namely, the use of the US military to privatize previously
nationalized central banks in countries with commodity wealth. (Ask yourself why
we don’t interfere in Egypt’s or Syria’s National affairs of self determination? My
true root cause of US War-making/Empire building and assassination has been for
the last 100 years, Privatized Central Banks,...Blood Siphons for the
MoneyChangers. Good pick TruthDig. We need Dennis’ help, let’s hope he
maintains his courageous stand against Globalized Government by Bankers.

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By hammersmith, December 30, 2011 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment
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let us listen to this man.

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By gerard, December 30, 2011 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Exactly the right choice at this moment!

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By Jimnp72, December 30, 2011 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

I wish he were running with Russ Feingold

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By PatrickHenry, December 30, 2011 at 5:28 pm Link to this comment

Good Pick, I wish he was running.

He would be a great VP pick for Ron Paul.

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