GRYM:  It might be interesting for all of us if you would be kind enough to lay out the details of your conception of “a typical black man.”

As long as the Republicans seem to like throwing mud let’s see how I can do.  The last Republican presidential candidate John McCain was born in Panama, graduated at the bottom of his class in Annapolis,  crashed six Navy (taxpayer) jets (anyone else would have been grounded after the 3rd), his first official act when running for President was to nominate Sarah Palin for V.P.effectively ending his chances to become President.  Oh yeah didn’t Trump say he would release his tax return when Obama showed his long form birth certificate (which no one even heard of until there was a black man in the White House).

RayLan, May 1 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

ITW
Trump’s viability as a presdential candidate is hardly worthy of enough consideration to advance an argument against it.
**********

There is that.

(yet somehow he’s the front runner.  It’s as if Alec Baldwin decided to run and somehow became the Democrats’ front runner…)

Trump has trumped himself right out of any serious consideration for presidential candidacy. That’s how good a salesman is he is. Politics doesn’t have to be a sideshow of blatant lying and character assassination. A drowning man grasps at straws.

Trump is a salesman and promoter.  From the looks of it a damn good salesman and promoter.  Presidential material?  No way.

Those with the least to offer, the least able to formulate critical thought, those who can’t think outside of a tiny box which they have themselves created make the man out to be a monster and villain.

All of politics is about throwing rhetorical barbs and bombs.  Only children believe in Good Guys and Bad inside the political arena.

ITW
Trump’s viability as a presdential candidate is hardly worthy of enough consideration to advance an argument against it.

Last night at the Correspondents’ Dinner, Donald Trump got roasted, by the President and by the emcee.  He took it with ill grace (to put it kindly).  That alone shows the man isn’t qualified to be President.  Did he expect to spend weeks hurling bombshells at the President and for the President not to get in a few digs at the CD?  That, too, disqualifies him as a viable candidate: The inability to anticipate the blow-back from your actions, even when it’s blatantly apparent it’s coming.

Trump is welcome to run.  As far as I know there’s no known legal disqualification for his candidacy.  And I’m sure he’ll keep the more serious GOP contenders from actually being heard.  Is that a bad thing?

Donald Drumpf demonstrates to me the need for an aggressive inheritance tax.

Trump isn’t a racist. He’s a desperate exploiter who will resort to any tabloid crap to get attention.
He’s both a character assassin and a smear campaigner who is the poster child of the American Dream. A jackass who has nothing to recommend him other than his ability to make billions. That’s why he’s on the political map and the media. The fact that he hasn’t been booed of the stage indicts the American people more than it condemns him. He is a monster the corporatorcacy has created.

Oblamblam is lovin this & his wall st backers undoubtedly underwrote trump’s campaign kick off.
Some fools still consider the oblammer as being worth protecting because they have been too busy getting het up over trump’s facile trolling to realise, as far as amerika’s ptb are concerned, trump isn’t needed as prez, oblamblam is doing everything he would do.
Let’s see now, ordering citizens assasination without trial, keeping guantanamo illegal prison where children are abducted and incarcerated without due process open, bailing out big insurance with ersatz health insurance -sans single payer of course, ramping up one war & now starting a new one against the only world leader who has been making no strings investments in Africa - Muammar Ghadaffi, the list goes on… and on and on.
But no one pays attention because they too busy worrying over deliberate distractions like the phoney ‘true birth’ movement that oblammer has been quietly stoking the flames of.  Why?  If it wasn’t for that lunacy there would be nothing at all to differentiate between the oblammer’s policies and those of the people who dem party fanbois claim to abhor.

Would someone please shave Trump’s hair off.  I’m
rather sure there is a “666” marked on his head.
If he isn’t a candidate for the Antichrist I don’t
know who is!

It seems to me the current U.S. President is a typical black man.

Turns out Trump was sued by the Feds for refusing to rent to Black people.

The guy could be a typical character out of GWTW: you know, the no-talent Southern elites who would go to war to protect their un-earned privileged position.

Trump is nothing but a flashy version of George W. Bush, born to position without real talent.

Only difference: Despite considering GWB the worst President in our history, I see absolutely no evidence the guy is racist, unlike Trump.

who’syourdebs,

I’m sorry but, I’m still not sure the two of us have followed the same story-line.

If we read the story posted above, and following the links provided, we see that at least one person with MSNBC, Associated Press, CBS, and PBS all considered mainstream, have noted the racism in Trumps remarks.

I would add to that The New York Times, The LA Times, ABC, NBC, The Miami Herald and CNN have reported the same.

That all of the above have reported how many have referred to Trumps, so-called, racist remarks is, in my opinion, not truly a matter of having guts.  It’s a matter of revenue.

RE: By Virginia777, April 29 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment
fearnotruth:

Give me a break.

as I typically reply to those who report a dislike for something I’ve published…
“Don’t sweat it, I didn’t write it for you.”

I think you guys in USA have a better idea about WWF than WTF! and the news
doesnt look good.
Move the Zionists to NJ, then it can become New Jewsey.
The world will be a better place.

Sabagio:

“Why is it a surprise that “racism” is, will and has been a key strategy employed by Republican presidential candidates for the last 45 years.”

Exactly.

fearnotruth:

Give me a break.

Just as ugly as racism is the sexism that silences
security issues concerning potential first-ladies.
Should we share a concern that is similar to Trump’s
“coded racism” over President Obama’s birth for
Trump’s wife’s background? For obvious national
security reasons, it can be difficult or impossible
for an US citizen with a spouse who is or was a
foreign national to obtain a security clearance.
Before issuing the clearance, our intelligence
community must be absolutely certain that, for
example, neither Trump nor his wife would ever place
the national interests of Slovakia over the national
interests of the US?
Trump’s wife was a foreign national! Can we Americans
entrust our obviously sensitive information
concerning our national security to a former foreign
national. In the case of first-lady Michele
(Robinson) Obama we can be certain that would never
occur: her roots stretch back to at least antebellum
America. What about Trump’s wife? What about Trump himself: how can we Americans be certain that his love of wife would never trump his love of country?

RE: ...how stupid would forgers at the level of working for the president have to be to make the “mistakes” you are proporting were made? besides, who would use the term African today to describe the father’s race even today?

to answer question 1: pretty damned stupid… question 2: who knows?

- as for me and what I wrote before, I don’t really give a damn where he’s from, but…

I, myself, have ‘purported’ nothing in this posting - as usual I post citations and sometimes draw conclusions - I drew no conclusion here - wrote not a single word of my own - I only cited what, according to Wayne Madsen, is being reported from intelligence experts around the world - please feel free to cite any challenges to those reports that may be found - something beyond personal ‘opinion’

now, because I am willing to show measured consideration, rather than leveling accusations suggesting mental illness,  I’ll share what I just found; not knowing if it was the case in Hawaii in 1961 or even if it’s universally practiced in the US today:

according to this fellow
- http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/04/the-african-race/

Race on a birth certificate doesn’t come from a hospital worker looking at the father and writing down the father’s race; it is determined by asking the father what he considers his race to be. This is the instruction for filling out a birth certificate from the National Center for Health Statistics:

25. FATHER’S RACE (Check one or more races to indicate what the father considers himself to be)
? White
? Black or African American
? American Indian or Alaska Native (Name of the enrolled or principal tribe)________________
? Asian Indian
? Chinese
? Filipino
? Japanese
? Korean
? Vietnamese
? Other Asian (Specify)______________________________
? Native Hawaiian
? Guamanian or Chamorro
? Samoan
? Other Pacific Islander (Specify)______________________
? Other (Specify)___________________________________

In 1961, were OHO’s father offered options similar to those on this form, it’s conceivable he could have told the official to scribe ‘African’ - confirming this is really what was ‘written’ at the time requires investigation

now,  I would remind all that implications about ones ‘mental health’, based on the citations he or she makes on insignificant little blogs like these, are presumptuous in the extreme and actually insulting to people whose mental health is genuinely compromised, usually by serious chemical imbalances - not at all a laughing matter

again, as for me, I have a very robust life outside this tiny corner of the blogosphere - and, as for conspiracies, I only believe those that are true

fearnotruth,

how stupid would forgers at the level of working for the president have to be to make the “mistakes” you are proporting were made? besides, who would use the term African today to describe the father’s race even today?

you need a life outside of the conspiracy world ...you are practicing yourself into a pathological mind set.

everytime you hear new facts that refute your assertions, you just widen the conspiracy circle to include the new facts as part of the conspiracy.

check out
The Science of Why We Don’t Believe Science

it might you clue to the effect you are portraying

http://www.rense.com/general93/rank.htm

World Intel Says Obama ‘Birth Certificate’ A Rank Forgery
By Wayne Madsen - 4-28-11

[...]

Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics into white,
Negro, American Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Aleut, Eskimo, Hawaiian and Part-
Hawaiian (combined), and “other nonwhite.”

The consensus among intelligence agency experts is that the Obama long form
Certificate of Live Birth was hastily manufactured by an amateur who never
thought of using the standard race designation of Negro in Barack Obama, Sr.‘s
racial designation block on the form either due to ignorance or an attempt to be
politically correct in 2011 by refusing to use an accepted term from 1961.
The past decade has seen the use of crude forgeries to propel the United States
into a war in Iraq (the bogus Niger “yellow cake” uranium documents) and to try
to indict various U.S. and foreign politicians and businessmen (the fake Iraq Oil
Ministry “Oil-for-Food” documents). The Obama forged Certificate of Live Birth
represents yet another attempt to perpetuate a fraud on a grand scale.

George, April 29 at 6:53 am

I offer that you missed the sarcasm of our resident fascist’s post. For whatever reason sarcasm never translates well in this medium.

One must always read the fairy tale king both with heightened skepticism and with more than the proverbial grain of salt. His only worth lies in unearthing the lies and distortions that he thinks he hides so well yet doesn’t. Should one unearth the almost veiled bullshite within his efforts here he will promptly call you names and change the subject never to return to the original exposed lies.

As he most recently did in the thread on taxation of the corporations and the wealthy.He posted the same tired right wing crap about the wealthy paying more than their fair share and, when links were provided and his omissions and distortions pointed out, off he ran, leaving, of course, his usual epithets behind…he thinks himself the Lone Ranger and slurs his silver bullet.

Hi, Ho Silver, awaaaaay.

Maani

By the way, his real name is Donald Drumpf.  (I kid you not.)

Thanks Maani, priceless.

I remember when Tavis had the last program about the state of Black America…and criticized Obama slightly for not attending (Hillary Clinton found time to attend)...he AND HIS MOTHER got death threats…so I guess he’s learned his lesson.  He’s definitely falling in line.

Supporting someone based solely on their ethnic background is also racist. However,
this is one form of racism that so called progressives can live with, in fact they promote it
and take advantage of it, because it’s about the only way that their national party ticket
can get elected.  Just as many people still support O.J. Simpsons innocence, my
grandmother being one of them, progressives will support Obama and his innocence
despite trillions handed over to Wall Street.

I’m not sure that this is as much about racism as it is about Trump being an
idiot.

Trump has become an expert at calling attention to himself and I’m not sure he
even thinks about what it is that he is saying anymore.  His comments are
foolish for sure, but to go from his dimwitted attempt at keeping himself
relevant to “taking up space and resources in a nation in which they don’t
belong” seems a bit extreme to me.

No doubt, every hillbilly I see driving around with a bumper sticker saying
“NOPE” with Obamas campaign logo in the “O” has a racist bent somewhere in
there, but lets please not go backward.  We as a country elected a black man
for president, and it was based on the merits of his accomplishments and his
message, and the fact that he remains popular personally while political
approval ratings go down, also show that we certainly like the “contents of his
character”.  As, no doubt, did the admission boards at Columbia and Harvard.

So please, lets not use the rantings of the lowest common denominator to turn
back what we have accomplished racially in this country.  However farther still
we may have to go.

Cheers,

To Go Right Young Man. I suggest you re-read the article. I did. The mainstream media has decided to show his comments in the most favorable light possible, giving him the benefit of any doubt, calling it Republican Party stategy. Isn’t that cute? Perhaps you read what you were thinking, instead of what was on the page. I don’t consider The Nation mainstream media—they’re on the right side. Donald’s the one who’s dangerous—and that’s no joke.

Why is it a surprise that “racism” is, will and has been a key strategy employed by Republican presidential candidates for the last 45 years.  Nixon saw his political fortunes change when he enlisted Bill Brock, a Tennessee Senator, to devise his “Southern Strategy.”  Ronald Reagan started his run for the presidency with a patronizing speech in Philadelphia Mississippi, a center for the most virulent racist attacks on civil rights marchers and activists.  He followed up with a series of stories about welfare mothers and their Cadillac’s, unmarried, living on welfare in public housing with all their fatherless children.  All his examples of these “welfare cheats” were African American.  Regan then became a media darling, The Great Communicator.  Reagan’s successor, Bush the First, ran his campaign on the image of Willie Horton, a doctored photo of a man who had benefited from “soft on crime” Democrat policies that set him loose to prey on unsuspecting white people.  Bush II employed similar mean spirited, fear mongering strategies.  What is most bothersome is that these men, and now Donald, have their apologists among national media corps.  Sam Donaldson and Mike Wallace and George Will were always saying what a nice man Reagon was in private; Bush I was depicted as a kind and generous public servant; Bush II seemed to have stock in General Electric and NBC he and his family were profiled on the Today so often.  One of the Bush daughters got her first job with NBC.  Now it’s the Donald’s turn.  His good friend,  Dr. Phil came on the Letterman Show last night and talked about how, “in private, Donald is a real nice guy, once you get to know him.”  Same old same old.  What is even more disturbing is seeing these “media pimps for pompous politicians and their purulent purveyors of preposterous propaganda” go unchallenged.  Checkbook apologists never seem to fade away, they just get cushy jobs as talk show hosts or as “commentators,” “new analysts” or anchors for Early Morning or the Nightly news: George Stephanophalos, Diane Saywer, Hank Huckabee, ….

Ah, me.  Sabagio Mauraeno

who’syourdebs,

Did we read the same article?  The entire story covers the subject of those amongst the mainstream media calling trump a racist.

You can’t swing a dead donkey and not hit someone amongst the media or entertainment industry labeling critics of the president racists. 

It’s foolish.  It’s dangerous.  It’s everywhere.

-

Critics of Reagan chided him for riding his horses while the nation suffered a bad economy.  Bush Sr., it was his golf game while the nation suffered.  Clinton too his golf and Hollywood friends, Bush W. his running and bicycling.  Only now, when critics blast the president for playing basketball, are these types of rants labeled a racist phenomena.

Of course every liberal thinker on the planet understands that ONLY black people pick-up a basketball.

It’s foolish.  It’s dangerous.  It’s everywhere.

To play devil’s advocate, even Obama was embarrassed about being a recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize, especially since the US is butting in a few Arab countries and not exactly on a peace mission ...
Why was he given the prize for not only doing nothing ‘peaceful’ but expanding the military into Arab countries? I believe if Obama was white, the media and other people would by now be tougher on him as they have for all other presidents before him. Why is he different?

This is raw naked racism, and the mainstream media don’t have the guts to call him out on it. Most racists don’t think they’re racist and are suprised when they are so accused. I have seen this in the blue-collar family I came from. I guess if you’re not lynching someone, you’re not racist. And since when does “I heard that…” constitute anything resembling fact? When asked “from whom?”, Trump says his investigation is continuing. It’s not investigation; it’s masturbation. Republicans, please, please nominate this jerk. The centrist Obama will trounce him soundly, I’m sure. Then we can start pounding the nails into the GOP coffin, as they did to the Whigs. Hey, I’m not suggesting a one-party system; I’m suggesting the new second party be one that’s actually on the left. Wouldn’t that be something?

Can the birthers go to their own websites and spew their idiocy there, please?

That said, I want to see the birth certificate for Donald Trump’s hair.

Every president in American history is attacked by the opposition as “illegitimate”.

Of course times have changed.  If you can’t support Mr. Obama you’re a racist.  If you fail to vote in 012 for the black man in the White House, no matter your personal beliefs or politics, you support racism. - Yes, we all understand how dangerous and idiotic it is. 

We’ll be seeing these stories by the thousands in the next 18 months.

-

Racist Code Words

In declaring his run for the presidency, Howard Dean told a crowd in Burlington, Vermont, “You have the power to take our country back!”

In a stunning show of racial bigotry, Clinton opened her 2008 run for president by declaring the she would “take our country back.”

Chuck Schumer: also a racist. After the 2006 midterms, he stated: “We really care about taking our country back… So far, sooo good.”

Prominent Democratic strategists James Carville and Paul Begala are also racists. They coauthored a book in the run-up to the last presidential election titled “Take It Back: A Battle Plan for Democratic Victory.”

Racist Katrina Vanden Hevuel, editor of the near-bankrupt magazine The Nation, penned a book titled “Taking Back America”.

Racist talk show host, Thom Hartmann, also cannot restrain his racist views. The title of his book, “We the People: A Call to Take Back America” is clearly rooted in vile racism and bigotry.

This use of the term, We Want Our Country Back, is clearly code for “We Want To Kill Little Brown Babies.

-

Yes, we will all be seeing these stories of American Jim Crow attitudes deeply rooted within the democratic party over the course of the next 18 months.

Oh oh!! Hold onto your wallets! Trump has just become a viable Presidential Candidate for 2012!!!

He made a speech in Las Vegas and said (I’m paraphrasing) ‘WTF is our stupid government doing spending $Billions building mud-hut schools in Afghanistan, instead of helping our kids here in the US of A?’

WOW!. He keeps talking like that, he’s gonna get over 100% of the votes cast, no matter what ticket he runs on. Maybe he’ll start a new political party, the ‘Neoprogressive Ultrarich Teabagger Society’.

He’s actually making sense. DONALD TRUMP!! Who’da guessed? I’m switching from ‘Independent’ to the ‘NUTS’, first thing tomorrow.

of course Trump’s a nouveau riche pest

as to the issue at hand - it is questioned, the authenticity of a 1961 birth
certificate that indicates ‘African’ as a ‘race’ - suggesting that in 1961 not even
Hawaii was so ‘politically correct’ -  wasn’t the term common to the era ‘Negro’?

those who really care, should call for others in possession of similar certificates of
that era to step up and show theirs for comparison

one would expect responsible journalists to do the same and ignore The Donald

Ask Trump about his finances and watch the fun.

Seinfeld is saying he LOVES Donald Trump.  Of course, he does: Trump is the fountainhead of comedic material.

JH:

It was not Justice Alito that shouted “You lie,” and it wasn’t at the SOTU address.  Alito shook his head during the SOTU when Obama made a comment about the citizens United decision.  It was Rep. Joe wilson who shouted “You lie” during one of Obama’s addresses to Congress.

Re Trump, his mother was Scottish, and there is some question as to whether she ever became a naturalized citizen.  As for his education, Trump attended Fordham U. (two years) and then Wharton (two years), earning a B.S. (no jokes, please…LOL) in economics.  Obama spent 18 months at Occidental College in L.A.  After a brief hiatus, he transferred to Columbia U.  There is no indication that he even applied for any affirmative action assistance.  He graduated in 1983 with a B.A. in poli-sci.  Five years later (after working in Chicago), he entered Harvard Law (again, no indication of any affirmative action assistance), where he became president of the Harvard Law Review his second year.  (The first person to do so.)  He graduated in 1991 with a magna cum laude J.D.  Needless to say, one does not become president of the Harvard Law Review and graduate magna cum laude from Harvard Law being a “terrible student.”

More importantly, however, for Trump to suggest that Obama only went to Columbia and Harvard as the result of some affirmative action is a tad hypocritical, given that Trump only “made it” because his father left him millions of dollars worth o real estate.  And although he has had some legitimate successes, his history is also rife with amazing failures, including numerous bankruptcies, seizures, and failed enterprises.

By the way, his real name is Donald Drumpf.  (I kid you not.)

Peace.

JC Goldfarb: Thanks for that link

[ http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/04/the-ocular-proof-othello-and-birth-certificates/ ]

While the author’s observation:

“To recognize, or to trust, another cannot be an epistemic achievement — like classifying apples and pears, or checking a document, or distinguishing certain qualities from others. To search for evidence that one can trust is not only bound to fail, it is to admit that a failure of recognition has already occurred. The sad search for proof, evidence or documentation is just the destructive unfolding of that failure.”

I still think that Obama made the right move by releasing the long form certificate because the whole underground race issue should be confronted and brought to the surface instead of being allowed to fester. Let’s face it, overt racism is still alive and well for around 30% of the country and probably another third of the country operates under unconscious, tacit racism.

Before moving to central Florida five years ago I would have thought something like the concerted assault on Obama would have been unlikely because we had as a country made so much progress on the racial front. My experience here has taught me otherwise. Bigotry and xenophobia are still very much part of the consciousness of this country and we more than ever need to address and root it out at every opportunity.

Hopefully, the Republicans will pay for this fiasco of demonetization come 2012 and I believe they will if we don’t let it disappear in the rear view mirror before then.

the man is a total waste of humanity. notice his little trump jet in the background.
+ he would be a very appropriate republican presidential candidate, and maybe reprise sara’s role as his running mate

Trump is a distraction and nothing more.

Sensationalist banter to keep him in the spotlight.

This author echoes many of my own thoughts regarding the nature of Trump’s
claims and how this matter has been handled in the press.  There seems a great
deal of reluctance—on the part of a largely white press—to label these
attitudes toward the president for what they are—RACISM.  These people are
called anything but—birthers, credentialers, bullies, crazies even patriots!—
but only a small handful have lately stepped up to the plate and called these
people Racists and accused them of racial hatemongering and fearbaiting. 

Most black people recognize this centuries old song and dance because we are
used to being looked upon as suspects.  The fact that I have an advanced
degree has nearly always triggered skepticism whenever I apply for a job; I
anticipate it and make sure that I have my credentials sent ahead of me to
interviews. Once I tried to bring my own official copy with me—raised seal and
all—and was told that it could not temporarily satisfy my eligibility for a job. 
My word wasn’t good enough.  Of course, having the credentials and the grades
never matter anyway.  Competitors start a whispering campaign “affirmative
action,” even suggesting that my grades were granted out of pity or guilt.  Of
course, white people will insist this doesn’t happen.

But what Trump has done is say—no, confirm—that black people are inferior
and should be scrutinized carefully.  Legitimizing these attitudes helps ensure
that African Americans will continue to suffer high unemployment and lose
whatever assets they’ve attained because when it comes down to competing
with a white person—any white person—we lose.

I detest that Obama caved in to these racists and showed his papers like some
errant slave who needs to satisfy the patrollers or like some dude hanging out
on the street who looks suspicious to the police.  I would like to see everyone in
Congress post their birth certificates on their websites, including their diplomas
and college board scores.  Why not?  If the president has to be e-verified, why
not other elected officials? 

George Bush went to Yale and Harvard Business School—his way greased by
legacy admissions, connections, and privilege.  Why didn’t Trump eyeball Bush’s
qualifications for the presidency, a man who bankrupted his own businesses
and then turned his coke and alcohol damaged brain on bankrupting the
United States.

This is disgusting, shameful, embarassing for the United States of America.
Given Trump’s views, the black contestants on his Celebrity Apprentice should
quit in protest.  If any win, most people will think Trump gave in to white guilt
by not firing them anyway.

Unfortunately for US, Trump and others of the racist faith are going to point to Obama’s lack of performance as President, following his rousing shucking and jiving as a candidate, as proof of their racial stereotyping, that minorities are not ‘Up to the Job’, can ‘Do the Talk, but Not the Walk’.

The problem the racists will have with Obama is that poor as his performance has been, he is still far better than his predecessor. I guess that Trump and his ilk can claim that ‘W’, too, was a minority, on the basis that few, if any, US-born folks have a lower double-digit IQ than ex-president Bush.

Why doesn’t Trump query how a moronic mope can graduate Yale and then go on to Harvard business school? That would solve a big mystery about #43.

Someone once noted that we get the government we deserve. I guess we deserve some pretty disreputable politicos huh?

What would Shakespeare say? http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/04/the-ocular-proof-othello-and-birth-certificates/