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Nico, who only gave his first name, protests in front of the White House on Tuesday against Israel’s raid on a flotilla of aid ships headed to the Gaza Strip.


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By Robert Scheer

It was an act of international terrorism, pure and simple. There can be no valid claims of self-defense on the part of Israeli commandos who attacked a ship of protesters in international waters, killing nine civilians and kidnapping more than 600 others—including 15 international reporters who were prevented from filing their stories by a nation that claims to be the beacon of democracy in the Mideast. 

Trust me, I do not come to this viewpoint lightly. This is an issue I have written about with anguish ever since I visited Gaza and the West Bank immediately after the Six-Day War 43 years ago, and the fact that those apartheid zones still stand in oppressive isolation from the norms of human rights is a sad commentary on our profession. There is no subject on which American journalists so disgrace themselves by embracing a double standard or about which our politicians are permitted the kind of hypocritical cop-out once again demonstrated by the tepid response of the Obama administration.

If nothing else, this assault on decency by the Israeli government was clearly intended to derail the peace talks that President Barack Obama has encouraged. But instead of calling Israel on its savagery, the U.S. is virtually alone in the world in its embarrassingly mild rebuke. The politicians cave so shamelessly because they know that media will be obsequiously tolerant of such immoral equivocation.

The last time I wrote about Israel and Gaza, the San Francisco Chronicle suddenly decided to stop running my weekly column. No great hardship—I have other outlets—but I would be lying if I denied the apprehension I feel every time I dare write critically about Israel and brace myself for the charge that I am yet another “self-hating Jew.” A charge certain to be leveled against even Hedy Epstein, the 85-year-old Holocaust survivor who at last report was attempting to board yet another aid boat, the Rachel Corrie, named after a heroic American protester who was bulldozed to death by Israelis in 2003.

The first time I encountered that bewildering criticism of Jews who dare to be morally consistent—despite that being our historical obligation—was when I was an editor at Ramparts and nearly bankrupted the magazine in attempting to cover the Six-Day War, during which Israel grabbed control of Gaza and the West Bank. We had assigned the legendary journalist I.F. Stone to write about the war, thinking it a wise choice, given that he had accompanied the first boats of Jewish displaced persons from World War II traveling to found the state of Israel. Back then he celebrated that quest: “These Jews want the right to live as a people, to build as a people, to make their contribution to the world as a people. Are their national aspirations any less worthy of respect than those of any other oppressed people?”

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But then he wrote after the Six-Day War that he felt compelled to deal also with the oppression of the Palestinians and their desire for a home. His report was balanced and fair, which of course was a problem to some of the Ramparts investors who strongly favored honest journalism on every subject except Israel.

I upset them further by traveling to Egypt and Israel at the end of the Six-Day War and visiting newly occupied Gaza, where I questioned the assertion of top officials, including Moshe Dayan, that they would bring freedom to the Palestinians there that the previous Egyptian and Jordanian occupiers had denied. It never happened, because the intentions of occupiers to improve the lot of the conquered become moot if the occupiers insist on continuing their reign of power. How easy it is to forget that the Palestinians were not the ones who attacked Israel at the time of the Six-Day War. On the contrary, it was their previous overlords, Egypt and Jordan, with which Israel has long since had relatively good relations. An accommodation of occupiers made above the head of the occupied.

There is no such thing as a morally acceptable occupation, and as the oppressed resist they will become more violent in their desperation. In turn the occupiers will show their true colors as oppressors. As the great Israeli writer Amos Oz wrote in Tuesday’s New York Times, “ … Ever since the Six-Day war in 1967, Israel has been fixated on military force.” He excoriates the prevailing Israeli view “that the Palestinian problem can be crushed instead of solved.” That is the essence of the problem and the solution: End the crushing occupation and begin to solve the problem of providing the Palestinians, as well as the Jews, with a viable homeland.

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By BR549, June 30, 2010 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

ofer,

Relative to your post about the treatment of prisoners, you can always tell about
the caliber of a country by how it treats its prisoners. So I guess it means that the
US is poised for a rather abrupt slide into historic oblivion, with our self-righteous
pompous and God fearing legislators at the reigns.

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By ofersince72, June 30, 2010 at 12:24 am Link to this comment

The Strategic Blueprint…CROSSROADS (Mar. 1991)
Eqbal Ahmad and Noam Chomsky, interviewed by Rabab Hadi,
analyze the continuity and change in U.S. policy toward
the Middle East…

Chomsky’s opening statement…....

“The basic thrust of U.S. policy remains the same, and
has been the same for a long time. By the 1940s, it was
well understood that the world’s major cheap and abundant
energy resources are in the Arabian Peninsula and the
Gulf region The U.S.  perceived itself in the 40s as the
world’s first global power and wanted to make sure that it controlled the energy resources, which it regarded
as crucial for world domination.
Prior to that time , the French, the
British and the Americans had divided up the resources of the region in the 1920 Red Line agreement. After the
Second World War the French were kicked out. They were
excluded under the pretext that they were an enemy country
because they had been occupied by the Germans. That left
the British and the Americans.  American control of th
Mid-East oil increased….....Isreal was regarded by U.S.
intelligence as a barrier against Nasserite pressure on
the oil-producing monarchies. In 1967, Israel succeeded
in crushing Egypt and Syria and that was a big benefit.
The U.S. was very strongly in support of Israel. Nasser
was their radical nationalist; he was causing problems;
Israel got rid of him. 
Israel has been regarded as a base for American power and a potential threat against radical nationalism…......
Israel will be a base for U.S. action.  Israel serves,
just as it did in 1958, as the one reliable pro-western
power and a military power that the U.S. can count on.
Israel is an efficient mercenary state.

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By ofersince72, June 29, 2010 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

POWs: The Christian Spirit: Part II   alexandercockburn
1991 Lies of Our Times…Apr edition. excerts…

A compelling account of the Isaeli treatment of prisners
daken during its invasion of Lebanon in 1982 can be found
in Noam Chomsky’s FATEFUL TRIANGLE (Boston: South End
Press, 1983). Terrible cruelties were inflicted on such prisoners from the moment of capture until they reached Al Ansar, the prison.
  A Norwegian doctor, Oyvind Moeller, who had been working
in the Palestinian refugee camp of Ain El Hilweh, described later to me in New York wome of his observations:
  One soldier kneed a man in the groin with all his strength.  He hit the man on the back of the neck as hard
as he could and then kicked him in the stomach. Then he
kicked the prostrate man in the head. This was then done to the four other prisoners of the group of five. In
variation this treatment was then given all the prisoners.”

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

I don’t know whether Scheer did this on purpose or not
but the title of this article should not be
Treat Palistinians Like Jews…..........

It should read
Treat Palistinians like Isreali….......

Very subtle, huh? but says a whole lot more !!!!!!!!!

and to add ....I wish Americans got treated like Isreali
or I wish our government would look out for our country
and its citizenry as well as they look out for Isreali.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 8:19 am Link to this comment

They ought to change the name of Capitol Hill to

  I’VE GOT A SECRET


  well, not just Cap Hill,
  the name of our govt.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 8:10 am Link to this comment

If you want a little comedy in your life, listen

did you know that the Senate has a committee, called this

The Senate Select Committee On Ethics…
Go figure that !!!!
Here is their fax #  (202) 224-7416
Send them a fax today , tell them you puzzeled,
Here is a Senate Committee that could be called
an oxymoron..Select Committee On Intelligence

We have so many secret type organizations in our
government it is wonder we operate..The CIA, NSA,
and on and on and on,,,and the only thing that they
want secret is how much they steal from us, these agencies
have absolutly nothing to do with national security, only
keep secrets from the American Public about how our
own government operates. I mean masses amounts of money
going into secret operations stirring up trouble all
around the world for their buddies on Wall Street, we
don’t even get any benifits of these secrets, they tell
us it is for our “security”, bullshit, they have made so
enemies for us , it is dangerous for an American to take
a trip abroad. Every thing, every last thing, even a
oil disaster is a big god damn secret.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Don’t bet on that shoe tying thing ,,,,,

good chance you will lose some money !!!!!!

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By BR549, June 15, 2010 at 7:10 am Link to this comment

Re: ofersince72, June 15 at 10:38 am

I agree. While I admit to having woken up a bit late, it was Bush41’s totally
inane personal discovery of grocery store scanners, that made me wonder what
fcuking planet these people came from. Through managerial ineptitude, they
have created the problems, come up with solutions that don’t solve those
problems, and at every shift in the momentum of the economy that tries to
address their “contributions” to this all, they posture themselves to make more
money and then limit, often through legislation, anyone’s ability to do anything
different.

So, if we don’t like fiat currency, they want to tax bartering; if you don’t like
GMO foods, idiots like Rep. Rosa DeLauro try to pass bills with language
addressing the “known hazards of subsistence and recreational gardening”; and
if you complain about the fluoride in the water, we have even more idiots like
Sen. Russ Feingold, who in essence seize every farmer’s water hole everywhere
in the US under the guise of being concerned about the water level in the Great
Lakes.

These people are not only taking this country down, they are dragging down
every bastion of unique cultural diversity all across the planet.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

They are burning off the exess oil in the Gulf

Does anyone believe that is the a good idea?

I mean it,  they have no common sense what so ever.

They don’t know anything but $$$$$$$$$$$$  that is all
they know. Nothing more,  they might be able to tie
their shoes, maybe.

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By omop, June 15, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

” Treat Palestinians Like Jews ” thats a good one.

  We Americans have the right to love some people and hate others besides
according to well known Rabbi Kook the Elder, another influential and much
revered Jewish leader, “The difference between a JEWISH SOUL and THE SOULS OF
NON JEWS —all of them in all different levels—is greater and deeper than the
difference between a HUMAN SOUL and the SOULS OF CATTLE.”

  Antisemitism in America is VERBOTEN look at poor Ms. Thomas and what Senator
Chuck Schumer wants to do to the Palestinains…. STRANGLE ALL THOSE SOBs.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 6:38 am Link to this comment

I would be amazed if they could even feed themselves!!

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 6:24 am Link to this comment

Besides them being idiots,

they are all afraid right now, everyone of them
is getting blackmailed.

they need our help, that doesn’t mean be nice to
them though, they are OUR employees.

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

they tell you that you are suppossed to address

theses people as “The Honorable”,,,,, screw that !!!!

There isn’t a damn thing honorable about them
they are cheaters, liers, murderers, and theives.

address them as such !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, June 15, 2010 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

BR549,,,, absolutly,  I forget to add,

don’t ever be polite to these people,
be forceful and mean spirited, direct, don’t pull any
punches, and besides

they don’t know the meaning of polite to begin with,
they take as you are tepid soul and weak.

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By BR549, June 15, 2010 at 4:42 am Link to this comment

@ofersince72, June 15 at 1:41 am

Thank you for the FAX number, but I sincerely doubt she gives a crap about
anyone other than herself. That woman has an agenda and it has nothing to do
with the preservation of the Constitution and the way of life for the American
people.

And on top of that, ..... she’s just a mean person.

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By ofersince72, June 14, 2010 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Lets see how much nerve everyone really has

  here is Sec of State Clinton’s fax # again

  (202) 647-2283

  A fax everyday, maybe two….all the time

  tell her how you feel, we are in the majority,

  let her know it…..

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By Misterioso, June 8, 2010 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer incorrectly writes “How easy it is to forget that the Palestinians were not the ones who attacked Israel at the time of the Six-Day War. On the contrary, it was their previous overlords, Egypt and Jordan, with which Israel has long since had relatively good relations. An accommodation of occupiers made above the head of the occupied.”

In fact, Israel started the war by attacking Egypt (and thereby Jordan and Syria who shared mutual defence pacts with Egypt) in the early hours of 5 June 1967, just hours before the Egyptian VP was to fly to washington for a prearranged meeting on June 7th with the Johnson administration to defuse the crisis between Israel and Egypt based on a agreement worked out with Nasser by Robert Anderson, Pres. Johnsons’s rep in Cairo.  Also, the Eshkol govt. had cabled Johnson on May 29 with a commitment not to initiate hostilities until at least 11 June.  When Israel’s cabinet heard on 4 June about the deal worked out with Nasser which may well rule out war, it decided to attack Egypt the next day. In short, the 1967 war was yet another premeditated land grab by Israel.

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By BR549, June 8, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, June 8 at 12:06 pm

ITW wrote, “What ARE you trying to prove?”
(You left yourself wide open on that one. I’m not even going to say what first came
to mind, since you’re doing a good enough job all by yourself.)

The point I was trying to make was that the resolution 3379 didn’t just come up
out of the blue; that it was the collective sentiment supported by enough
countries represented in the UN to also keep the issue hot for 16 years. And so
what did Carter accomplish in his time anyway? Did he manage to rescind 3379?
No, and for good reason. It took a lot of arm twisting by Israel and the US to get
that removed, again after 16 years. I’m sure if it came up again, it would get
approved again, despite Hamas’ contribution to the problem.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 8, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

BR549:

Same old arguments that get everyone nowhere. They predate the Jimmy Carter Camp David accords and everything else.

Are you interested in a resolution that leads to peace or just scoring debating points?

Notice there’s no UN resolution condemning Egypt’s miscegenation law that prevents a Muslim from marrying a Jew as “equivalent to racism”.

It’s all hypocritical political bullshit seeking debating points.

What ARE you trying to prove?  That the Jews should just pack up and abandon Israel? Like that’s really going to happen?

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By BR549, June 7, 2010 at 9:22 pm Link to this comment

Re: Inherit The Wind, June 7 at 11:38 am

So, if I understand you correctly, you don’t seem to feel that the 1975 adoption of
UN Resolution 3379 equating Zionism with racism had anything to do with the
souring of the relationship after that point. Interesting.

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By babycatajesus, June 7, 2010 at 9:14 pm Link to this comment

To quote Albert Einstein:
“A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest… a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.”

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By Inherit The Wind, June 7, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, June 7 at 10:33 pm #

Bad analogy
Inherit The Wind

Well, it is Taliban this, and Taliban that
However, it is the Taliban government that was invaded,
it is the U.S. government that is the aggressor

No, the Isreali government more resembles Hitler’s
Nazi Germany than the Taliban Government.

************************************************

You don’t know your history or current events.  As a Jew, I would be murdered by both of them, as would my entire family.  As restrictive as Nazi society was, Taliban society is more restrictive and intrusive and intolerant.

In case you forgot: We attacked the Taliban for aiding and abetting Al Qaeda in attacking our nation. 

Oh. I forgot.  You don’t believe any Moslem nation or society would mount an attack on America—only Mossad or the CIA would.

This is why I rarely respond to your serial posting.

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By ofersince72, June 7, 2010 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

Bad analogy
Inherit The Wind

Well, it is Taliban this, and Taliban that
However, it is the Taliban government that was invaded,
it is the U.S. government that is the aggressor

No, the Isreali government more resembles Hitler’s
Nazi Germany than the Taliban Government.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 7, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

Ed Harges, June 7 at 1:21 pm #

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 7 at 11:38 am:

Inherit the Wind, you argue that Israel’s government couldn’t have wanted the
Iraq war, couldn’t have been a key force in lobbying for it, because wanting
such a war would have been unwise, relative to Israel’s true best interests.

The assumption you make is that Israel only lobbies for things that are in its
true best interests, and never mistakenly or recklessly lobbies for something
that’s really against its true best interests.

I am so very tired of explaining to you that this assumption is untenable.

We have to look at what really happened, and what really happened is that
Israel’s government and America’s most militant supporters of Israel were at
the forefront in calling for war against Iraq, as they are even more obviously
the prime movers in the present campaign for a war against Iran.

It doesn’t matter that you think they shouldn’t want such things - it’s quite
beyond dispute that they do want such things!

******************************************

I really don’t care how tired you are. I presumed for many years that the government of Israel was sane.  I still think so and that their motives were (usually) rationally based.

However, it should be perfectly obvious that I consider the current government of Israel to be dangerously insane.  I do not think their motives or actions are rationally based.  That should be clear. 

It is also extremely painful as Israel (whether you believe it or not) was once a liberal, socialist-leaning state.  Now it’s being run by a Jewish Taliban, just like the Christian Taliban Chris Hedges warns about in our country, and the Muslim Taliban in Afghanistan and Western Pakistan.  If you think I think that’s a good thing, then you’ve learned NOTHING about me from my posts here.

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By Ed Harges, June 7, 2010 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 7 at 11:38 am:

Inherit the Wind, you argue that Israel’s government couldn’t have wanted the
Iraq war, couldn’t have been a key force in lobbying for it, because wanting
such a war would have been unwise, relative to Israel’s true best interests.

The assumption you make is that Israel only lobbies for things that are in its
true best interests, and never mistakenly or recklessly lobbies for something
that’s really against its true best interests.

I am so very tired of explaining to you that this assumption is untenable.

We have to look at what really happened, and what really happened is that
Israel’s government and America’s most militant supporters of Israel were at
the forefront in calling for war against Iraq, as they are even more obviously
the prime movers in the present campaign for a war against Iran.

It doesn’t matter that you think they shouldn’t want such things - it’s quite
beyond dispute that they do want such things!

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By Inherit The Wind, June 7, 2010 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

BR549, June 6 at 7:16 pm #

Inherit The Wind, June 6 at 5:58 pm
“I opposed the Iraq War even before it started in 2003 and got called a lot of
names for it.  I have NO idea why Israel or “Zionists” would have wanted a de-
stabilized Iraq that would move toward religious fanatics.”

The desire to push into Iraq and Iran began decades before 2003. It was just a
matter of when and through what means. Any remotely autonomous power was
considered by Israel to be a potential threat. I will say again, though, that it is the
hard-liners that we are dealing with, not the average Israeli citizen.

The Israeli population has the same problem the USA does, it’s representation has
been taken over by sociopaths, those promising to make the world a safer and
better place, but in the end only pad their own nests.

******************************

Considering that Israel was quite happy to form a virtual alliance with the Shah, meaning at that time it saw Iran as a fellow bulwark against the Arab states, and considering that once Saddam Hussein was confined following the first Gulf War and unable to act aggressively toward Israel, you contention is pure unsupported speculation that does not fit the facts.  It only fits the absurd anti-Israel conspiracy theories that thrive here on TD and in the Arab world.

There’s far and away enough to castigate Israel for that indisputable without bringing in unsupported conspiracy plots.

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By Ed Harges, June 7, 2010 at 6:55 am Link to this comment

re:By BR549, June 7 at 12:56 am:

It’s difficult to talk about points of origin in these matters. In a way, the whole
thing started with 19th century European Romantic ethnic nationalism, of which
political Zionism is simply one among several deadly poisonous offshoots.

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By omop, June 7, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Helene Thomas denied FREE SPEECH.

ARI FLEISCHER of Bush fame wants Ms. Thomas fired because she made a not
too sympathetic comment about Israelis.

So we all better watch out. The rulers of 310 million Americans are not going to
let any one say anything not positive about the Israeli thugs.

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By BR549, June 7, 2010 at 6:42 am Link to this comment

@last_boy_scout, June 7 at 5:09 am

Nice piece and it makes some sense. If there is any truth to the history of
Abraham, the Jews had started in Chaldea (Iraq) and were not of the area
referred to as Canaan, anyway. Even it is was a parable, why choose an area of
what is now Iraq as a basis for their culture. And by today’s standards, we tend
to look at a “wandering” group as homeless or incapable of maintaining a
residence. It was a very common practice, more so back then, to wander. No
big deal. Instead, they paint this picture of being “homeless” or trudging
though the wilderness on a quest.

Fairy tales. Some truth and a lot of embellishment, the majority of which was
most likely used as a transition from an oral culture and to emphasize certain
moral codes that were also evolving among other groups during that time.

Except for some of the truly philosophical aspects of the Judeo-Christian
writings, much of the so-called history surrounding it flies in the face of the
very philosophy it seeks to espouse. I guess that when it comes to greed and
land, any group can justify anything they want to with Spellmanesque
comments like “God is on our side.” So much for any free though among the
masses.

Nothing has changed. Bush drags religion into supporting our cause to invade
Iraq and sheep just follow. And then Obama just pathetically follows along with
“Yes, massa, I’s comin’, as fas I can.”

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By last_boy_scout, June 7, 2010 at 1:09 am Link to this comment

I’ve come across a curious investigation, carried out
by some Israeil historian named Schlomo Sand (here’s
his wiki article).
He considered it to be the so-called “deadend of the
national mythologization”.

I’ve come to know about the guy
here

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By ofersince72, June 7, 2010 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

If he does that, I wonder how many
14 and 15 year old boys they will take from
mothers and send them to a concentration camp
like GTMO for ten years?

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By BR549, June 6, 2010 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

@Ed Harges, June 6 at 9:26 pm

Dual containment aside, I would say that tensions started to sour in 1975 with the
adoption of UN Resolution 3379, which equated Zionism with racism. The fact that
it remained in place for 16 years and wasn’t rescinded until 1991, says a lot and
was only removed after intense efforts by the US and Israel. Nevertheless, it
reflected global sentiment (if only democratically) for that period.

It shows the tenacity for the US to constantly be at the ready to wipe the snot
from the nose of Israel.

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm Link to this comment

re:By Tennessee-Socialist, June 6 at 11:08 pm:

Castro’s theory is plausible.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 6, 2010 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

FIDEL CASTRO IS LIKE AN ALBERT EINSTEIN OF POLITICS. Fidel Castro writes a lot of conspiracy theories lately, in his Reflection articles. In his latest article Fidel said that if Obama doesn’t invade Iran, he won’t get a second term as US president, coz Obama is a puppet of Isra-hell.

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

If anyone read my post the other day on this dig
  about what I hope for…..

  Hope doesn’t work.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 6, 2010 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

By ofersince72, June 6 at 6:27 pm #

I believe that USA needs a mental psychological revolution.  A change in each american citizen, a revival, however you want to call it.  Here is a song which talks about The Shadow, and changes that can come thru the shadow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

This is one of Tool’s most amazing songs, and really sums up the entire theme of Aenima. This song is about growing, changing, and moving towards the next level of human evolution and conciousness. It’s deeply rooted in Jungian theory, it’s also related to the dwarf, camel and child stages of the metamorphosis in the book “Thus Spoke Zarathustra” by Fredrich Nietzsche.

Basically, it’s believed that there are three levels of human evolution and each has it’s form of conciousness. There’s the 1st level with 44 chromosones. These are primitve people’s like the aboriginies in Australia who do not percieve anything outside of themselves. They only see one large conciousness with no distinguishment between organisms. Then there’s the second level with 46 chromosones. That is us. We are a chaotic disharmonic conciousness that is basically used as a stepping stone between the first and third levels. The third level is 48 chromosones. (Or 46 & 2, with 2 being the sex chromosones x & y). This is the higher level of conciousness. Our destination.

But this is where the Jungian theory comes in. It is believed that you can not reach this third level of evolution without first delving into yourself and basically cleansing your conciousness for the next stage. That’s where the Shadow comes in. The shadow is basically everything about that is unseen that you are uncomfortable with or hate. This is also known as the Anima (hence the name of the CD).

The last part of the song sums all of this up…

“See my shadow changing,
Stretching up and over me
Soften this old armor
Hoping I can clear the way
By stepping through my shadow,
Coming out the other side
Step into the shadow
Forty six and two are just ahead of me”


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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 6:20 pm Link to this comment

re: By ofersince72, June 6 at 10:07 pm:

ofersince72 writes:

“Does anyone else get amused when they see

  NO BLOOD FOR OIL

on the bumper of a car ???”

I’m sure Martin Indyk laughs his guts out whenever he sees that, thinking what he
got away with!

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

Does anyone else get amused when they see

  NO BLOOD FOR OIL

on the bumper of a car ???

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

re: By BR549, June 6 at 7:16 pm:

The twin US wars against Iraq and (soon, if we can’t stop it) Iran began with the
institution of a belligerent US foreign policy doctrine called “dual containment”.
This doctrine was instituted for Israel’s benefit, and not at all for the benefit of
the oil industry.

“Dual containment” began as a policy written up by ultra-pro-Israel
monomaniac Martin Indyk.

Indyk’s background is entirely as a member of the pro-Israel foreign policy
establishment. He is a former deputy research director for the ultra-hard-line
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the founding Executive
Director of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), a research
institute specializing in Middle East policy. WINEP pretends to be a quasi-
academic organization, with “scholars” and “experts” often trotted out as
talking heads on TV news programs; but WINEP is in fact a flagrantly, militantly
Israel-centric organization established by AIPAC in 1985, devoted exclusively
to furthering the expansionist aims of the Jewish state.

Indyk is now Senior Fellow and Director of the Saban Center for Middle East
Policy in the Foreign Policy Studies program at The Brookings Institution. The
Saban Center was created by Haim Saban, an Israeli-“American”, hard-line
ultra-Zionist.

Anyway, “dual containment” was a policy posture which basically made it
impossible for the US to have peaceable relations with either Iraq or Iran. It
required the US never to engage in any constructive diplomacy with Iraq and
Iran, but to regard them as permanent, non-negotiable enemies, to be
“contained” by sanctions and other provocative policies designed to keep
relations in a deep freeze.

Israeli and “American” Israel-centric strategic thinkers decided that Iraq and
Iran were the two regional powers which—because of their size, human
resources, and oil wealth—might conceivably pose a challenge to Israel’s
ambitions of regional hegemony, territorial expansion, and continued
monopoly on nuclear technology and weaponry.

US oil companies wanted diplomatic engagement with Iraq and Iran, not war,
because peaceful contractual arrangements are how oil companies make
money. That’s one reason why Russia and China, for example, want
constructive relations with Iran: they want access to oil. As late as the late
1990’s, Dick Cheney, then working as an oil exec, wanted the US to lighten up
on Iran. He complained that the US was too “sanctions-happy”, as he put it,
and thought the US should engage with Iran, which would help the US gain
peaceful and profitable access to oil concessions.

Indeed, hostility toward the oil companies is a recurring theme in the writings
of US pro-Israel ideologues. They complain that oil interests impede their
efforts to persuade the US to “get tough” on Israel’s “enemies”.


But the Israel lobby won. Greedy oil men like Bush and Cheney went along with
the neocon, pro-Iraq-war campaign, because Israel’s hard-line policy-makers
in Washington had created a situation of such irresolvable diplomatic hostility
between Iraq and the US that war was the only way US companies were going
to get any access to Iraq’s oil. For Bush and the Republicans, it was also a way
to woo some disproportionately wealthy and powerful pro-Israel contributors
and voters away from the Democratic party, along with playing up to the
Christian Zionists in the Republican base.

The beauty of it was that since the oil men ultimately went along with the plan,
the Israel lobby was able—with some plausibility—to blame the fiasco on
the oil industry and claim that what was in fact a war for Israel had been a “war
for oil”.

Delusional liberal Zionists eagerly seized on this narrative because of their
emotional need to believe that Israel is a beacon of goodness and right, and
that it deserves continued generous US support.

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By PatrickHenry, June 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

We went out last night and only caught 3 croakers (hardheads) the trophy rockfish 30+” have left and won’t be back till fall.  The spot and flounder should be in soon and white perch are here year round.

We took the croakers back to the dock and put them in the crab traps.  The crabs are really running good now, a friend of mine caught 8 bushels last weekend.

Like Maine, in Louisiana they tend to boil seafood.

There oughta be a law.

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By Robert, June 6, 2010 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

Israel accused of fabricating flotilla video

06.05.2010 | Maan News

By Mya Guarnieri

“Tel Aviv - Ma’an - The Israeli army released video footage Monday of the navy radioing the Turkish vessel Mavi Marmara prior to the raid that took place in international waters and left at least nine activists dead.

But on Friday, it released a new version of the same footage — one that it says proves its claims that many aboard were religious extremists — but that some say has been very obviously tampered with.

In the first video released in the immediate aftermath of the violent raid, a soldier says, “Mavi Marmara, you are approaching an area of hostility which is under a naval blockade.” There is no recorded response.

The soldier continues, “The Gaza area, coastal region, and Gaza harbor are closed to all maritime traffic.” Again, no response.

The soldier radios once more, saying, “The Israeli government supports delivery of humanitarian supplies to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip and invites you to enter the Ashdod port …”

But an updated version, released five days later, includes three alleged responses from passengers who, according to the video, were supposedly on board the Mavi Marmara. This new clip shows only a still of the soldier who appears in the first footage.

 

The soldier, who is not named, does not address the Mavi Marmara as he did in the video released Monday. Instead, he says, “This is the Israeli navy; you are approaching an area which is under a naval blockade.”

A man with an odd, indistinct accent responds, “Shut up. Go back to Aushwitz.”

Then the voice of a woman follows. She states, “We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority to enter.”

The third response, which seems entirely disconnected from the events, comes from a man with a heavy Southern accent. “We’re helping Arabs go against the US. Don’t forget 9/11 guys.”

Ali Abuminah, founder of the website Electronic Intifada, reported on his blog that the woman’s voice is that of Huwaida Arraf.

Arraf, a Palestinian-American who chairs the Free Gaza Movement, confirmed that it was her voice. But she emphasized that she was on the Challenger 1 boat, not the Mavi Marmara.

“I was by the radio the whole time there was any communication,” Arraf told Ma’an. “Mine was the only boat in which I answered and not the captain and they all answered in a very professional manner.”

Arraf told Ma’an that while she might have spoken of having permission from the Gaza Port Authority on a previous attempt to break the blockade, she is certain that she did not say it on Monday morning.

“When they radioed us, we were still 100 miles away,” she said. “There’s no doubt that this whole thing they put out is fabricated.”

Asked about claims that army video had been faked, an Israeli army spokesperson remarked, “There is no basis for the allegations.”

But to many, the recordings are just the latest move in the Israeli army’s aggressive campaign to sway public opinion.

Israel seized all recording devices from journalists and activists who were on the flotilla. The army has released its own footage for use in its still-raging war of information being fought on blogs, Facebook, Twitter, and media outlets.

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http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/i-am-shocked-shocked-2/

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment

John’s probably right Patrick,
You no why I left MD, even if you don’t want to know
here it is,  there were several reasons but one of them
was the air quality.  In 1988, my son was just three
years old,  everything my wife and I did was outside,
we jogged , we cycled, we gardened and we hiked.
The summer of 88 as of the previous summers the State
envionmental agency gave warning over the radio every day
about the ozone levels and said don’t go outside if at
all posible, especially to exercise and that it was worse
on children than adults. Everyday, all summer, the third
one in a row.
I called this agency up in Annapolis and asked them
if what they were saying was that don’t let your children
play outside in the summer time.  The guy said ” well,
that isn’t the language used.”  I asked “in essence isn’t
that what you are saying, it is unsafe for children to
play outside in the summertime.”  He concured.  I told
him “well don’t you think it is about time we do something
about this”.  He hung up, but they did do something about
this problem in America, especially the coasts,  put
a computer in every kids hand and keep them inside.
(not all, but for the most part that is where we are)
There were other reasons we left, won’t go into them
but some were also for environmental reasons.

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By BR549, June 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, June 6 at 5:58 pm
“I opposed the Iraq War even before it started in 2003 and got called a lot of
names for it.  I have NO idea why Israel or “Zionists” would have wanted a de-
stabilized Iraq that would move toward religious fanatics.”

The desire to push into Iraq and Iran began decades before 2003. It was just a
matter of when and through what means. Any remotely autonomous power was
considered by Israel to be a potential threat. I will say again, though, that it is the
hard-liners that we are dealing with, not the average Israeli citizen.

The Israeli population has the same problem the USA does, it’s representation has
been taken over by sociopaths, those promising to make the world a safer and
better place, but in the end only pad their own nests.

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry,

Louisianna seafood is good , but
they can’t steam a crab near as good as in Maryland
can they?

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Elisalouisa

I believe that was on another thread,
However the character that spells Hugo Chavez name
backwards describing his eating what he does is over
there, I refuse to read any of his posts, he is a very
crude person
That he has disagreements with the Chavez government
is one thing,  displaying such crudeness is another
and want no parts of that,  I am sure there are many on
TD that may feel the same about OFER,  I choose to
address my own nations ineptness before I point fingers.

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 2:31 pm Link to this comment

ElisaLouisa

I was referring to Upton Sinclair,
not Sinclair Lewis.

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee, I believe you all know it,  but
this country has been hopeless for all long while,
it was disguised because we had a fat, content middleclass
that turned their head in denial.

As this class disappeares,  the empire becomes naked.

Many have referred American policy to Nazi Germany,
I say no, not a good comparison, we are much harsher
then they could even have imagined.
Our wonderful media services has done well at hiding
this fact. Although Democracy Now can’t be everything for
everybody, for what they have to work with, do well
exposing America.

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By ofersince72, June 6, 2010 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry,

How is the fishing back in Maryland these days??
In the Bay??

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By Inherit The Wind, June 6, 2010 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

I dunno EH:
I opposed the Iraq War even before it started in 2003 and got called a lot of names for it.  I have NO idea why Israel or “Zionists” would have wanted a de-stabilized Iraq that would move toward religious fanatics.

It just doesn’t parse, like so many things people take as “gospel” here.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 6, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

By ofersince72, June 6 at 3:21 am #


I really don’t see a solution for the people living in USA. The USA has so many problems, its economic impending collapse, the problem of the Zionist Control Hypothesis (ZPC, the theory which claims that USA is owned by Israel), the physiological, biological problem of the majority of americans, high cancer rates, high diabetes rates, heart disease, and other major diceases, and physiological collapse is linked to psychological, economic, social, political, and spiritual decay. And many, many, many, many more problems all at the same time, that not even an Albert Einstein could solve


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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Re:By Inherit The Wind, June 6 at 2:14 pm :

Sorry, but it is the pro-Israel community’s analysis that is incoherent. They have
been screaming for wars against Iraq and Iran for decades.

For years before they got their Iraq war, they complained bitterly of the power of
the oil companies to thwart their war plans. Greed for oil was preventing us from
“getting tough” on Israel’s enemies, they said.

Then when they got their war, and it was a catastrophe America (but splendid for
Israel), they switched effortlessly to blaming “big oil” for the war.

We are seeing the same pattern repeat itself on Iran, only this time the Israel
lobby is being much more brazen about its desire for war.

They just get more and more brazen, as they see what they can get away with,
realizing that sincerely deluded liberal Zionist thought police like you will
keep screaming “anti-Semitism” at anyone who points out what they’re doing -
which will immediately shut up anyone who wants to keep a job in Congress or in
TV journalism.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 6, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Sorry, EH, but that’s a la-la land analysis. It’s not even worth refuting because your conclusion cannot be inferred from your “facts”.

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By omop, June 6, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

What about a medal from AIPAC?

Unconfirmed reports the the Israeli sharpshooter (i.e. one that can hit their
target in the head and back with automatic gunfire from within two feet) who
shot dead several activists on a Gaza-bound international aid convoy may
receive a medal of valor.

Rumors are that this and all future ‘medals of valor’ given to those who murder
U.S. citizens and peace supporters will be made from stolen U.S. gold reserves
pirated to Israel.


“That we use America’s own gold seems fitting. I may even name this medal
after myself,”  Netanyahu was reported to have whispered to his agent Rahm
Emanuel.

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By gerard, June 6, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Questions regarding my just previous post:

1.  Why didn’t Israel simply blast the first ship out of the water?
2.  What was the first excuse Israel made for killing the nine victims?
3.  Who used sticks, bars, etc. to hit back.  Did they have any alternatives?
4.  What is the pspychology of soldiers boarding from a helicopter a vessel they regard as “hostile”?What do they expect?  Hope? Try to avoid? What image do they try to project?  Why?

If we don’t come to terms with questions like these, how will we ever even begin to understand, from the universal human point of view, what is happening in this crazed, overwrought world?  And if we don’t probe to understand better, who is to blame for that?

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By gerard, June 6, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

The problem is how to get the national psychology, (formed by Israelis now dominating and holding power) to give up its extreme fear and defensiveness, paranoia, and Hamas to give up violence as a method of resistance. We are dealing with a pathology in Israel, probably a logical result of the Holocaust on top of centuries of prejudice and discrimination worldwide. At least that’s what it appears to be. 
Such a situation cannot be improvedby name-calling, by brute force, or by “telling them” anything—or by coddling them. 
  Israel is a glimpse of the national end-point of
violence and may be a preview of other natioinal attitudes to follow from similar cruelties, discriminations, persecutioins etc. Cruelty breeds cruelty. 
  It might be good for the world to learn from Israel’s behavior and the overall aid gesture, and consider ways to prevent, and in no way invite or return, the use of violence.  Alternatives to force and violence have to be tried, understood, revised, perfected, become the future method of problem-solving among nations, or obody will be left standing. This flotilla is a step in that direction.

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By PatrickHenry, June 6, 2010 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

John Ellis, that would never work here in Maryland where the state is interested in every square inch of privately held land and who owns it so a tax bill can be sent to their address.

If ownership is ambiguous they will put the land up for auction until the real owners come out of the woodwork at which time the state will zap them with fines and back taxes if it ever gets that far.

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 7:39 am Link to this comment

Coorection:

I wrote:

“Since then Dick Cheney seems to have undergone a genuine, quasi-religious
conversion to the pro-Israel, neoconservative, anti-Israel cause.”

I meant:

“Since then Dick Cheney seems to have undergone a genuine, quasi-religious
conversion to the pro-Israel, neoconservative, anti-Iran cause.”

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By Ed Harges, June 6, 2010 at 7:36 am Link to this comment

re:By Inherit The Wind, June 5 at 7:31 pm:

Undoubtedly the oil industry has huge financial and therefore political clout.

But I’m talking about the political left in this country, about the Democratic
party, and what disables it from doing its job in opposing a foreign policy that is
focused heavily on reflexive support for Israel and on bullying Arabs and
Muslims. I don’t think oil money or the oil lobby can be the reason for this. Let’s
just take two of the worst elements of recent US foreign policy:

(1) Issue one: Gaza.

Our Congress voted, by the kind of overwhelming bipartisan majorities one
normally associates with Stalinist dictatorships, to express its enthusiastic
approval of Israel’s attack on the Turkish ship and of the blockade itself, as it
similarly voted concerning the murderous 2008 Israeli military assault on Gaza. If
you think that Democrats voted this way because they’re afraid of, or paid off by,
the oil lobby, you are seriously deluded.

(2) Issue two: the absurdly unnecessary and extremely dangerous policy of
edging ever closer to war against Iran.

The oil industry has historically wanted access to Iran, and preferred this access
be obtained through lucrative contacts with Iran’s government. Israel’s anti-Iran
American zealots are fond of complaining that a desire to gain access to Iran’s oil
is the reason that the Europeans, Russians, and China are “soft on Iran”. If the
US, it’s the same: if what we wanted was Iran’s oil, we’d be “soft” on Iran, like
Russia and China. Dick Cheney, as recently as the late 1990s, in his capacity as
oil industry executive, complained that the US was too hard on Iran, too
“sanctions-happy”, and that it was unnecessarily depriving Chevron of profits
that were going to other corporations whose governments were more flexible.
And oil industry’s political support goes and always has gone mostly to
Republicans. So the Democrats cannot be going along with this belligerency
toward Iran in such overwhelming numbers because they are trying to please Big
Oil.

Since then Dick Cheney seems to have undergone a genuine, quasi-religious
conversion to the pro-Israel, neoconservative, anti-Israel cause. Or maybe oil
executives figure that since they can’t beat the Israel Lobby, they’d better get on
the war bandwagon, so that they can cash in on Iran’s oil after any US invasion or
occupation is undertaken.

An examination of the record of who has been braying the loudest and longest
for war against Iran reveals that it is overwhelmingly the leadership of AIPAC and
the major Jewish organizations, plus a who’s who of leading Jewish politicians
and media pundits, many of them Democrats who are liberals or leftists on every
issue but this one.

And you can point out that Christian Zionists are more numerous, but I’m talking
about the Democratic party - Democratic politicians are not afraid to
displease the Christian Zionists, for god’s sake!

No, it is very clear that the lock on the Democratic party is achieved through the
political power of Jewish Zionists.

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By Robert, June 6, 2010 at 7:27 am Link to this comment

The Truth Behind the Israeli Propaganda

By Robert Fisk

June 05, 2010 “The Independent”—I have, of course, been outraged at armed men boarding ships in international waters, killing passengers on board who attempt to resist and then forcing their ship to the hijackers’ home port. I am, of course, talking about the Somali pirates who are preying on Western ships in the Indian Ocean. How dare those terrorists dare to touch our unarmed vessels on the high seas? And how right we are to have our warships there to prevent such terrorist acts.

But whoops! At least the Israelis have not demanded ransom. They just want to get journalists to win the propaganda war for them. Scarcely had the week begun when Israel’s warrior “commandos” stormed a Turkish boat bringing aid to Gaza and shot nine of the passengers dead. Yet by week’s end, the protesters had become “armed peace activists”, vicious anti-Semites “professing pacifism, seething with hate, pounding away at another human being with a metal pole”. I liked the last bit. The fact that the person being beaten was apparently shooting another human being with a rifle didn’t quite get into this weird version of reality.

Turkish family protests that their sons wanted to be martyrs – something which most Turkish family members might say if their relatives had been shot by the Israelis – had been transformed into confirmation that they had been jihadis. “On that aid ship,” a Sri Lankan texted me this week, “I had my niece, nephew and his wife on board. Unfortunately Ahmed (20-year-old nephew) got shot in the leg and now treated (sic) under military custody. I will keep you posted.” He did indeed. Within hours, the press was at his family’s home in Australia, demanding to know if Ahmed was a jihadi – or even a potential suicide bomber. Propaganda works, you see. We haven’t seen a frame of film from the protesters because the Israelis have stolen the lot. No one has told us – if the Turkish ship was carrying such ruthless men – how their terrible plots to help the “terrorists” of Gaza were not uncovered in the long voyage from Turkey, even when it called at other ports. But Professor Gil Troy of McGill University in Montreal – in the rabid Canadian National Post, of course – was able to spout all that gunk about “armed peace activists” on Thursday.

I wasn’t personally at all surprised at the killings on the Turkish ship. In Lebanon, I’ve seen this indisciplined rabble of an army – as “elite” as the average rabble of Arab armies – shooting at civilians. I saw them watching the Sabra and Shatila massacre of Palestinians on the morning of 18 September (the last day of the slaughter) by their vicious Lebanese militia allies. I was present at the Qana massacre by Israeli gunners in 1996 – “Arabushim” (the equivalent of the abusive term “Ayrab” in English), one of the gunners called the 106 dead civilians, more than half of them children, in the Israeli press. Then the Israeli government of Nobel laureate Shimon Peres said there were terrorists among the dead civilians – totally untrue, but who cares? – and then came the second Qana massacre in 2006 and then the 2008-09 Gaza slaughter of 1,300 Palestinians, most of them children, and then…

Well, then came the Goldstone report, which found that Israeli troops (as well as Hamas) committed war crimes in Gaza, but this was condemned as anti-Semitic – poor old honourable Goldstone, himself a prominent Jewish jurist from South Africa, slandered as “an evil man” by the raving Al Dershowitz of Harvard – and was called “controversial” by the brave Obama administration. “Controversial”, by the way, basically means “fuck you”.

There’s doubts about it, you see. It’s dodgy stuff.”

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25634.htm

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PatrickHenry, June 6 at 12:26 am #

Inherit,

“Is it OK with you that T-S is using David Duke and Goebbels-ordered forgeries to prove his point about how “evil” Jews are?”

No it is not and easily disproven.

I was rushing out the door to go fishing and wasn’t clear on what I was agreeing with you on.  My bad.

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PH:
No harm, no foul.  Same as a typo.  We’re good.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

All our lawmakers know how to do is build walls.

They have Bagdad looking like wall city, next year
they have plans to start a wall all around the whole
city of Bagdad.
We all know about Isreal’s stupid walls, U.S. funded.
Then of course, we have niggerfied Mexicans, so of course
we need wall there to.

Walls, Walls,Walls,  anybody remember the old topical
song “Tear Down the Fences”?  I forgot who sang it.
I don’t believe it Mama Maybelle Carter, coulda been .

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

The Levin brothers don’t give a crap about anything
but the MIC.  Carl talks real good, has real neat
hearings,  tries to sound like one of those sixties
liberals…...Look at the phoney SOB voting record.

You can go on and on about our Jewish lawmakers, they
are working against the American citizens and the
Isreali citizens.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 11:21 pm Link to this comment

Remember when Bush was going to get peace talks started
again in Annapolis Maryland?

This ole hillbilly stayed up for two weeks faxing ,
phoneing, and filling up voicemails of all our Jewish
lawmakers on Capitol Hill, I was begging them to take
control of these talks,  take them away the Exec and
Sec of State, that it was time for Congress to step up
to the plate.
I am sure they were laughig at me.

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By NZDoug, June 5, 2010 at 10:36 pm Link to this comment

The only way this stuff is gonna stop is when good ol USA Jews and others around
the world say,“UM, THIS IS EMBARASSING” and tell the religious nuts to chill out.
There are a lot of creative, articulate wealthy Jewish people who know that the
world needs Pink Floyd to play “THE WALL” in Jerusalem.
Jews for Peace, J Street, Norman Finklestein, Noam Chomsky, Judge Goldstein,
The IDF guys “BREAKING THE SILENCE” show Jewish people can tell the truth!!!!
Lets sing along to the ISRAELITES by Desmond Decker.
So that every mouth can be fed…

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 9:46 pm Link to this comment

I believe at this point, I would like to see a one
state solution, everyone that doesn’t like it, leave,
go back to where you came from.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

thanks for that feed, is it not humbling how brave some
people are?

I doubt Turkey is going to drop the ball on this, I hope
not, I have know idea what to do from this country to help
this situation.

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By Robert, June 5, 2010 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

In praise of human dignity

Gaza flotilla activist faces death threats

06.04.2010 | The Guardian

“Haneen Zuabi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset, has been sworn at by parliamentary colleagues and received death threats since disembarking on Monday

Haneen Zuabi (right), who represents the Arab nationalist party Balad in the Israeli Knesset, is heckled by Anastassia Michaeli, of the ultra-nationalistic Yisrael Beteinu party (centre). Photograph: David Vaaknin/AP

While other activists from the Gaza aid flotilla have returned home, one is left facing death threats and abuse in Israel. Haneen Zuabi, a Palestinian member of the Israeli Knesset who was aboard the Mavi Marmara, is now under armed protection after nearly 500 people signed up to a Facebook page calling for her execution.

During a heated parliamentary session yesterday Zuabi was sworn at and then shoved out of the chamber amid shouts of “Go to Gaza, traitor”.

The 41-year-old member of the Arab nationalist party Balad has also received death threats by phone and mail. “I am not scared,” she said, speaking from her home town of Nazareth in northern Israel. “This is inherent here, it is not something that started yesterday. It is just harder and harsher now.”

Zuabi faces growing hostility for taking part in the Gaza aid flotilla, amid a climate of rage at what has been portrayed in Israel as a premeditated attack upon its soldiers by armed activists aboard the boats.

“Israel wanted many deaths to terrorize us and to send a message that no future aid convoys should try to break the siege of Gaza,” she told journalists this week.

Zuabi said that naval boats surrounded the Mavi Marmara and fired on it before soldiers abseiled aboard from a helicopter. She went below to the ship’s hold and said that, within minutes, two dead passengers were brought inside, followed by two more who had been seriously wounded.

Soldiers refused her requests for medical assistance for the injured passengers, who died shortly after.

Zuabi – known in Israel as an articulate Hebrew speaker – said that soldiers specifically asked her to translate their instructions. At first, she refused. “I shouted back, ‘Why didn’t you ask for my help before you murdered these people?’” “

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By PatrickHenry, June 5, 2010 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment

Inherit,

“Is it OK with you that T-S is using David Duke and Goebbels-ordered forgeries to prove his point about how “evil” Jews are?”

No it is not and easily disproven.

I was rushing out the door to go fishing and wasn’t clear on what I was agreeing with you on.  My bad.


John Ellis, multinationals are owned by the shareholders and run by a board of directors who typically own less than 1% of the stock but are considered majority shareholders.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

What I do know for damn sure is what Heather and I
was on the BP moniters late last Friday night !!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 5:40 pm Link to this comment

John,  I believe I will have to concede that point!!!!

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 5:38 pm Link to this comment

Since the first recorded history, the oligarchs
have taken economic feuds and turned them into religious
divides in order to get public support for aggressive
actions, we the peons, have fallen for this ploy time
after time.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Americans should be holding their heads in deep, deep
shame for their Middle East policy, especially what
we have done to the Iraqi nation over the last twenty
years.
Of course there are many , many angry Arabs and Muslims,
maybe Turkey might find a way to change our policy.
Remember Americans, the fate of Palistinians is not just
Isreals fault, it is just as much ours.! ! !

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

ITW, we are in agreement, (at last)

if it weren’t for oil
nobody would care about an Arab or a Jew.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm Link to this comment

ITW and others rightly point out that the primary locus of militarist ideology in
America is overwhelmingly on the right, in what is commonly referred to as the
Republican base. Jews (despite some slippage) remain overwhelmingly
Democratic and liberal in their leanings.

But the point I try to make over and over again is that the militarism of the
Republican base should theoretically meet strong opposition from the
Democratic Party, and so we have to ask ourselves why it doesn’t. We have to
look not at the right end of the spectrum, but at the left, to see why the left
doesn’t function, when it comes to the Middle East. Why did so many
Democrats, for example, fall in line to vote for the Iraq war, and why are they
falling in line to echo the shrill alarmism concerning Iran, falling all over
themselves to outdo the Republicans in their saber-rattling against that
country?

Well, the answer is obvious: American Jewish money and power is a decisively
important part of the Democratic donor and activist base, and a great many of
these otherwise liberal Jewish Democrats are jackbooted militarists when it
comes to support for Israel and any opportunity to teach those hated Arabs and
Muslims a lesson. And they are quick to impute anti-Semitism to any non-Jew
who strongly opposes them. (Mild, ineffectual opposition is sort of OK; but
passionate, vehement opposition, equaling their own passion - passion that
might lead to action - is anti-Semitism).

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I agree with the first two paragraphs completely. But your conclusion is based on nothing but wishful thinking. Big Oil $$ has a far greater influence on ALL the pols, left or right.  You over-simplify a complex situation. I know fellow Jews who think Obama is screwing Israel and Jews.  I know Jews who think we should just flat-out nuke any Arab nation that opposes us.  And I know Jews who are HORRIFIED by what Israel has been doing.

But when moneyed interests are SO powerful, to claim such power for the Pro-Israel folks is just unrealistic.  Yeah, if you are from certain neighborhoods in Brooklyn if you don’t unconditionally support Israel, you’ll be an EX-Congress-critter.  But there are MORE congress-critters trying to block any removal of the cap on Oil company liability of something like $27 million.

You simply lack perspective and the ability to compare and contrast the influence of the Pro-Israel lobbies with the lobbies for other special interests, like Big Oil.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 3:21 pm Link to this comment

for just $2100, you can hike appalacia with
Cris Hedges, who is looking for a few communists
to oust the capitolist.s.

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PatrickHenry, June 5 at 11:01 am #

Inherit,

No it is not and easily disproven.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/thejews.asp

Speaking from a white european heritage male perspective, we have been vilified in the media and in history books, by women, blacks, latinos and native Americans for all ills in our society today.

One must have broad shoulders.
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Either you misunderstood me or you didn’t click your own citation which EASILY shows that false Jew-hating statement attributed to Geo. Washington is, indeed false.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 5, 2010 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

By John Ellis, June 5 at 1:51 pm # : Most people in the USA think that what was installed in 1776, was a workers populist socialist libertarian democracy for the small business owners, workers and little guy.  And that the US oligarchic-empire began in 2000 when George W. Bush rose to power. That’s the accepted politically correct view of American History.

In other words: according to the mainstream historical view of USA, the USA has been a socialist equality democracy from 1776 to 2000. And a Plutocratic Empire from 2000 to 2010.

Americans need to wake up from the Matrix of lies taught to them in schools, History Channel, and TV.  But the painful sad truth is that the USA was founded as an oligarchic-corporate expansionist empire in 1776, by corporate-oligarchs, with a coporate-oligarchic US constitution, in favor of a corporate-oligarchic class from 1776 until today 2010

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 5, 2010 at 11:33 am Link to this comment

THE TRUTH IS THAT WE NEED A BLOODY VIOLENT REVOLUTION IN AMERICA OF THE POORS AGAINST THE RICH. I FEEL THE PAIN OF ABOUT 80 MILLION AMERICANS ALIENATED, REJECTED, HATED, AND DEPRESSED BECAUSE THEY CANNOT PARTICIPATE IN THE WEALTH, LIFE AND PLEASURES OF USA

Obama doesn’t care about the millions of poor people in USA, about the illegal citizens who are poors because in this Nazi dictatorship they are treated like animals, instead of being nationalized and legalized so that they could work, make money and feed their families, Obama doesn’t care about the poor americans who are poors because they dont have money to join a college, because in USA college education is privatized not public.  Obama is just in power to get payed his 30,000 paycheck a month

Obama and most US presidents are not in power to help american poor people beating the bullets in an existential hell of boredom, depression, emotional pain, and smoking cigarettes because of an internal hopelesness in most american poors because they are real aware that the right-wing in USA is evil, and the left is too weak, and they have lost hope of a leftist saviour such as JFK, or Martin Luther King to save them from poverty, misery and mental depression

And i think that being poor in a poor country like Colombia, Peru or Mexico is a lot easier than being poor in the USA.  Because in USA the poors are subjected to having to watch a priviledged middle class eating in The Olive Garden, Charlie’s Restaurants, Pizza Huts, Wendies Burgers, and other expensive restaurants, expensive luxury shopping centers, big whole sale stores for the middle yuppie class like Sams, Costco, and living a life of their time, and the time of their lives. while millions of poors (the illegal citizens, poor whites, poor blacks, elderlies and other oppressed sectors) are totally alienated and have to live locked in their own homes, and not able to participate in the wealth and life of America,

What the poor americans need to do is to forget about the middle class and middle class progressive liberals who are not poors and to create their own national united front, as an electoral option or for a violent bloody revolution as soon as possible of the poors against the rich class

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By bookmark dofollow, June 5, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

When the Obama administration spends its first year “extending an open hand” to Tehran while stiff-arming Israel, who can be surprised that the sharks are now circling? It never ceases to amaze me how liberal American Jews are the worst antisemites. If Mr Sheer didn’t hate himself so much he would read The Helsinki Principles on the Law of Maritime Neutrality and accept the fact that Israel acted properly. As it is he lets his hate get in the way of sound jouralism.

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By truedigger3, June 5, 2010 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

Re: By John Ellis, June 5 at 1:51 pm #


I agree with you.
I think what is happening today is a modern version of the “Court Jew”, which happened all along in the history of Europe, and it went like this:
Sometimes, when a king or a prince wanted to impose unpopular taxes or laws on his subjects, he put a Jew in charge implementing these taxes and laws.
If the resentment and grumbling from the subjects reached a dangerous level, he fired the Jew, many times “unpleasantly”, and blamed him for everything, claiming that is not what he wanted done and that the Jew misled him.
This happened many times, and every time , the “clever smart Jews” fell for it. I guess, they,like all humans, are blinded by the lust for power and money.
The sad thing is that after the Jews were voice for libralism,  the down trodden and social justice, many of them, but not all, are now voice for aggression, exploitation and injustice.
Just listen to Charles Krauthammer or Alan “torture is okay” Dorshwitz and their ilk, or scan the posts here, and you get a glimpse of what I mean.
I will be out of town for few days and I am not taking my computer with me.

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By ofersince72, June 5, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Patrick Henry,

While John may not have the figures quite correct,
the point he is making is very valid.
Americans elected these lawmakers, we have had forty
years to straighten this mess out, but we didn’t and
we are being eaten by the monster we helped create.
Why? because we all wanted to drive around and fly around
anytime and anywhere we wanted,
The Middle East remains tied down in thier own resources
that are still being exploited today.
Americans will jump on Iran for any reason the our
government gives, knowing durn well oil is their only
concern, same with Iraq.
I hold stedfast, IF IT WEREN’T FOR OIL, NO ONE WOULD
CARE ABOUT AN ARAB OR A JEW.

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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Here is another piece that deals with the disabling of the Democratic party and the
left by “liberal” Jewish tribalism and the fear on the part of non-Jewish liberals of
being smeared as anti-Semites by the explosively passionate supporters of Israel.

Never mind why the Republicans support eternal war against Arabs and Muslims, 
against the Other in general- Republicans are just like that. Their base eats that
stuff up. They love it.

But why do Democrats, the majority party, to the displeasure of their liberal base,
go meekly along with it?

The answer is encapsulated in the first couple of paragraphs of this piece:

It’s like entering a minefield to seriously discuss Israel and Palestine, a tale of
two peoples who claim the same land.

I’ve entered this minefield before and have been called an ”anti-semite” and an
“Israel hater” for saying pretty much what the sentence above suggests, that
Palestinians feel a legitimate bond with the land Israel claims and holds with its
military prowess. The individual who called me those names is an antiwar liberal
on everything but Israel, at which point he becomes a jackboot militarist without a
shred of mercy.

http://counterpunch.org/grant06042010.html

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By PatrickHenry, June 5, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

John Ellis,

I’m inclined not to agree with your “facts”.

http://jewishwealth.org/

19 of the 25 Billionaires who call NYC home are also Jewish.

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By Ed Harges, June 5, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

I have been reviled by some at this site, including Inherit the Wind (ITW), when I
say that Israel and the tribal Jewish connection to Israel make up the key
element that drives the worst aspects of US foreign policy and military
aggression (if that’s not redundant) - that is, US policy toward the Middle East.

But to say some element is “key” in the makeup of something is not the same
thing as saying it that it predominates in terms of mass. After all, a keystone
doesn’t make up most of a stone archway: it is key because of its crucial
role, its positioning. Remove it, and the arch falls, even though the keystone is
but a small part of the structure.

ITW and others rightly point out that the primary locus of militarist ideology in
America is overwhelmingly on the right, in what is commonly referred to as the
Republican base. Jews (despite some slippage) remain overwhelmingly
Democratic and liberal in their leanings.

But the point I try to make over and over again is that the militarism of the
Republican base should theoretically meet strong opposition from the
Democratic Party, and so we have to ask ourselves why it doesn’t. We have to
look not at the right end of the spectrum, but at the left, to see why the left
doesn’t function, when it comes to the Middle East. Why did so many
Democrats, for example, fall in line to vote for the Iraq war, and why are they
falling in line to echo the shrill alarmism concerning Iran, falling all over
themselves to outdo the Republicans in their saber-rattling against that
country?

Well, the answer is obvious: American Jewish money and power is a decisively
important part of the Democratic donor and activist base, and a great many of
these otherwise liberal Jewish Democrats are jackbooted militarists when it
comes to support for Israel and any opportunity to teach those hated Arabs and
Muslims a lesson. And they are quick to impute anti-Semitism to any non-Jew
who strongly opposes them. (Mild, ineffectual opposition is sort of OK; but
passionate, vehement opposition, equaling their own passion - passion that
might lead to action - is anti-Semitism).

Glen Greenwald has a recent piece at Salon.com about this Jewish tribalist
phenomenon that hobbles the left, leaving no effective opposition to US
belligerence toward the Arab and Muslim world. I urge all to read it. He writes:

“I can’t express how many emails I’ve received over the last week, from self-
identified Jewish readers (almost exclusively), along the lines of:  I’m a true
progressive, agree with you on virtually every issue, but hate your views on
Israel.  When it comes to Israel, we see the same mindset from otherwise
admirable Jewish progressives such as Anthony Weiner, Jerry Nadler, Eliot
Spitzer, Alan Grayson, and (after a brief stint of deviation) Barney Frank.  On
this one issue, they magically abandon their opposition to military attacks on
civilians, their defense of weaker groups being bullied and occupied by far
stronger factions, their belief that unilateral military attacks are unjustified,
and suddenly find common cause with Charles Krauthammer, The Weekly
Standard, and the Bush administration in justifying even the most heinous
Israeli crimes of aggression.”

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/03/israel/ind
ex.html

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By gerard, June 5, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

By Howard, June 4 at 11:32 pm #
HOWARD suggests that “world leaders” should”
  1. “Tell the Muslim world that violence against the state of Israel is not acceptable and not sustainable.”
  2. “Tell Turkey to stop sending armed Muslim fundamentalists in Turkish-flagged vessels to try to break the blockade of Gaza.”
  3. ...“Should tell Hamas if it wants gestures from Israel it should release the kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.”
  Who among “world leaders” (in view of their own behavior) can credibly tell the Muslim world (or anybody else) that violence against any state is “unacceptable.” (the old pot-and-kettle problem)
  Regarding “gestures”—Hamas and the Palestinians will not—and should not—be satisfied with mere gestures when they are occupied and under a blockade of murderous denial.
  The problem is how to get the national psychology, (formed by Israelis now dominating and holding power) to give up its extreme fear and defensiveness, paranoia, and Hamas to give up violence as a method of resistance. We are dealing with a pathology in Israel, probably a logical result of the Holocaust on top of centuries of prejudice and discrimination worldwide. At least that’s what it appears to be. 
Such a situation cannot be improvedby name-calling, by brute force, or by “telling them” anything—or by coddling them. 
  Israel is a glimpse of the national end-point of
violence and may be a preview of other natioinal attitudes to follow from similar cruelties, discriminations, persecutioins etc. Cruelty breeds cruelty. 
  It might be good for the world to learn from Israel’s behavior and to discontinue all use of violence before the cruelties of war and extermination go any farther. Otherwise, nobody will be left standing.

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By omop, June 5, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Israel has acted and is acting in wats that can only be described as racist and
on the same level of what supposedly North Korea [an axis of evil member] did
to South Korea.

Any American tha supports and/or applauds Israeli actions against the
freedom flotilla is as despicable as the israelis. The Obama administration has
again shown to the world that it is not in charge of American’s foreign policy in
the ME.

Sooner than later the little respect the US still has throughout the world will
equal the respect Israel holds.

That French guy that equated Israel with manure a few years ago may be righ
after all.

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By BR549, June 5, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

@Inherit The Wind, June 5 at 8:56 am

Hitler’s, Goebbel’s and David Duke’s rhetoric isn’t solely what it appears to be.
These ‘village idiots’, of a sort, are expressing the unconscious undercurrent of
global negative sentiment that no one wishes to discuss. I don’t condone it, but
it is what it is.

I brought the Ismael/Isaac relationship up before solely to point out that the
conflict resides in each and every one of us. We ARE Ishmael and Isaac every
day of our lives, and if we are to come to any peace with it all, we have to first
start with ourselves and embrace it. So, while I may come down a bit hard on
Zionist Jews and those that have this incessant drive for power and wealth (at
anyone else’s expense), my disdain is more that the problematic Jews continue
to avoid looking at themselves as being a part of the problem and they then
hide behind this cloak of sanctity and righteousness. It was that one track
mindset of Saul and David. War might be one thing (if you can actually imagine
the total absurdity of believing that killing anyone in the name of God was
sanctioned from above), but doing so with revenge, as a grudge, shows a total
contempt for God. It is a response driven out of ego rather than through a true
connection to anything divine. Pure rationalization.

If Abraham ever existed at all, I would be surprised. If he had some
hallucinations after imbibing fermented camel urine one night, after he got his
ass booted out of Chaldea, who knows. I don’t care. That part of his travels and
his notion that somehow Canaan was his for the taking, even though it had
been inhabited for thousands of years prior to his “discovering” it, isn’t nearly
as important to me as his rationalizations about his own and Sarah’s behavior.

Bear in mind that all this took place long before psychoanalytic thought was
ever on the horizon and must have been mankind’s feeble attempt to deal with
the potential ravages of the ego at that time. Certainly, if any biblical story
qualified, it would be this one, for it is here that Abraham is unable to come to
grips with his past decisions and he allows himself the luxury of believing that
any voice he heard was that of God. SO he takes the easy way out. The true test
of God, I believe, was in people not seeing that this story, in itself, was a test
and, taken literally, hook line and sinker, only cast mankind back into the
barrel with monkeys and cattle. So far, mankind has failed the test. Look where
we are. Someone please show me how where we are today has qualified as a
success story.

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By PatrickHenry, June 5, 2010 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

Inherit,

No it is not and easily disproven.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/thejews.asp

Speaking from a white european heritage male perspective, we have been vilified in the media and in history books, by women, blacks, latinos and native Americans for all ills in our society today.

One must have broad shoulders.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 5, 2010 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

Now we have Tennessee-Socialist quoting David Duke.

Then he cites a proven Nazi-era forgery that pretends to show Benj Franklin hated Jews.

Then he shows another forgery pretending to show that Geo. Washington warned against Jews.

I catch him in these blatant racist actions AND NOBODY REACTS TO IT!

And T-S never says a word about being caught, just moving on…....

Is it OK with you that T-S is using David Duke and Goebbels-ordered forgeries to prove his point about how “evil” Jews are?

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By Spooky-43, June 5, 2010 at 2:43 am Link to this comment

Those terrible Jews, keeping all those humanitarian supplies getting to Gaza.  What are they thinking about?  Don’t them know that world opinion will turn against them?  Don’t they see that they are becoming unpopular in the world?  How many times does genocide have to be inflicted upon them until they take the hint?  The world wants them to go away. 

Nobody likes Jews, not even the US Jews. Politicians only put up with them for the money.  How could they even still exist with all the attempts to eradicate them?  How can a little ancient tribe be so significant in today’s world?  Just because their big daddy wrote a book, they have to become important enough to have the whole world tied up in agony?  There is no other tiny country that has so much significance.  They are surrounded by their enemies.  The time has come for the showdown.

It is 2010 for crying out loud.  Enough is enough.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 4, 2010 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

By John Ellis, June 4 at 4:24 pm #: Hi, i only hang around people who go to food banks, and eat from food stamps, and shop at Thrifty Food stores, i am like Jesus, he only hung around the poors. The poors are the real beacon of hope in this world, not the middle class (They are too happy with this world, and the upper class are our oppressors)

Well, i think that the only solution for Israel is for the poor israelis and arabs, to get together and create a United Socialist Israeli Front, as an electoral option to the right wing parties of Israel

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By Tennessee-Socialist, June 4, 2010 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

HEY US CONGRESS: GROW A SPINE ON ISRA-HELL !!

http://america-hijacked.com/2009/11/04/hey-congress-grow-a-spine-on-israel/

As a former company commander with the 101st Airborne Division in Vietnam, and a graduate of the National Security Course, National Defense University, Washington, DC and as a retired brigadier general who served active army duty in the Middle East, I ask you to break away from the strangling Israeli lobby, AIPAC, and do the right thing for peace in the Middle East. This Israeli lobby has been corrupting our politicians far too long and has resulted in more violence than ever between the Israelis and the Palestinians with no sign of any improvement in years ahead. In addition, the Israelis have nearly wiped Gaza and south Lebanon off the map with their disproportionate attacks


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By NZDoug, June 4, 2010 at 8:59 pm Link to this comment

Buy Norman Finklesteins book “This Time Weve Gone To Far” re Gaza war so he
can write a sequel.
In his book he states that things are getting better, more people are becoming aware of the rascist apartheid state of Israel.
Elvis Costello has cancelleed his Israel tour.
I heard Roger Waters of Pink Floyd in a BBC interview say that he was going to tour again as he was 64 or 66 (cant remember) and bored with gardening so his old lady told him to go tour.
So he said wanted to perform the wall in Jerusalem.
Now were getting mainstsream.
SThings are going to change wether Israel wants it or not.

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By NZDoug, June 4, 2010 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

Nobel Peace Prize Pres. Barry O` could end the seige by using an aircraft
carrier from the Mediterranean Fleet to escort the vessel “MV Rachel Corrie”(
named after the American chick who was flattened by an Israeli bulldozer) into
Gaza, and tell Israel that they’ve cancelled the 3 billion in aid and are going to
give it to Palestine for a change and tell to those Izzy fellas retreat to the 1967 borders as declared
in UN Resolution 242.
Hamas would swallow that.
That would make USA heroes and the world would be a better place but that
sort of thinking doesn’t sell robot bombers.
That wouldn’t solve the problem of iran owning their own oil.
Instead, brave Obama called for a full report on the disaster, and suggested
said the US and Israel could conduct a report.
Heroic Israel said no way so Obama winced and slunk back to yell at BP instead.
The American Fleet in the Mediterranean continues its exercises with Israel
military menacing Syria, Lebanon and Iran and the tail wags the dog.

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By Howard, June 4, 2010 at 7:32 pm Link to this comment

What the world leaders should do to solve the problem in the Middle East is to tell the Muslim world that violence against the state of Israel is not acceptable and not sustainable. What they need to tell Turkey is to stop sending armed Muslim fundamentalits in turkish-flagged vessels to try to break the blockade of gaza.
  What they should tell Hamas is that if it wants gestures from Israel, it should release the kidnapped Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit.
  Israel wants peace.  It does not and will not commit suicide to get peace.  Would you commit suicide to get your neighbors to stop attacking you?

(from a letter-to-the editors in todays new york times)

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By PatrickHenry, June 4, 2010 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

We need the UN to take over Gaza and secure the border with Israel.

Maybe if the UN searches blocade runners the Gazans can get some chocolate which is presently banned by Israel.

Imagine that, banning chocolate.

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By BR549, June 4, 2010 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

John Ellis, June 4 at 4:07 pm

“Surely a contradiction, and just as surely is his longwinded comment fiction-
confusion from start to finish.”

Contradiction? Hardly. If we still believe in Santa Claus, then this might seem
confusing, but Abraham’s having fathered a child out of wedlock and then
dismissing Hagar and Ishmael to the desert, doesn’t sound like a morally sound
individual to begin with, if Abraham was ever intended to be more than a
fictitious character to prove a set of biblical points. Back in his day, and with
the need for continuation of a tribe, it was not uncommon for husbands to bed
with a maidservant when the wife was barren; hence the use of that little soap
opera. This is where the practices of old interfere with those of the present and
people of today have a hard time wrestling with the morals of that day.

For him to have suddenly seen God and ignore his past responsibilities seems
callous and irresponsible at best, particularly AFTER he supposedly saw the
light of consciousness. That would make it even MORE compelling for him to
embrace his past, not walk away from it.

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By gerard, June 4, 2010 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

What a can of worms!  Truthdig Editors:  Can you do anything about this by bringing on some sane information on Israel’s present politics, the forces working in Israel and elsewhere to prop up Israel’s belligerence, and the forces working in Israel and elsewhere to keep Israel’s politics democratic, merciful and sane—and something about the causes of such a split world-view?
  Can you recommend a brief course of study, a book or two—nonpartisan (at least relatively)?
All these rambling struggles to explain, coming from various more-or-less ignorant points of view (mine included), many loaded with invective,  beg for clarity and common sense.
  These ships carrying humanitarian aid, and the heated reaction on all sides, offers a golden opportunity to increase understanding and awareness.

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By Inherit The Wind, June 4, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

Yet again Tennessee-Socialist quotes bigots and now:
Nazis.  The following “Pinckney” citation of Benj. Franklin is a WELL-DOCUMENTED FORGERY by Goebbels’ Nazi Propaganda Ministry in the late 30’s. It’s not even a GOOD forgery as
A) Charles Pinckney’s diary DOES NOT EXIST!!!
B) Franklin is WELL-documented as having donated 5 pounds to the synagogue in Philadelphia when 1 pound was the equivalent, in today’s money of about $600!
C) The language used is NOTHING like Franklin’s in all his other writings.
D) The idea that a man who could form an abolitionist society would cater to such ludicrous bigotry defies the straight-faced test.

Furthermore, Geo. Washington’s speeches on Jews that ARE documented are not only complementary, but call for tolerance and reflect the very American value of Freedom of Religion.

Tennessee-Socialist is showing his eastern European background under the Soviet Bloc, where they received his fundamental hatred of Jews with with his mother’s milk.  He’s quoting well-known BAD, CRUDE forgeries.

What’s next, T-S?  The “Protocols of The Elders of Zion”?

Besides, your hatred of the USA and everything American, which has nurtured you and given you a home when you fled the Soviet “Utopia”, combined with your explicit calls for VIOLENT upheaval against that nation, provides “reasonable suspicion” for investigation.

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