Why did retired CIA analyst Ray McGovern write the article, “Break the CIA in Two”? In the article he mentions how Allen Dulles tried to convince Harry Truman to retract his comments in the The Washington Post, December 22, 1963 op-ed article, “Limit CIA Role To Intelligence”. The first government to be toppled by the CIA was the US government. It was a bloodless coup. If you can control the flow of information and influence thought/perception, the greatest task is accomplished. If you can spin events like 911, or a terrorist with bombs in his pants, you have fear and insecurity, the perfect argument to get the whole array of intel and defense funding and keep it flowing. After all, the CIA marshals the means necessary to ensure our capitalist hegemony to continue.

This article is rubbish. This incident is is so obviously a patsy set up; this poor kid was a victim of the CIA and their nefaroious designs on fatter budgets through hate and fear stirring. None of the facts of the incident are brought out here. Robinson is doing what he is told; everybody is doing what they are told to do. Our job is to be scared and get searched in useless exercises just make us confused like sheep to the slaughter, all the while being told we are being made safer and safer. total bullshit. This has nothing to do with an al queda that doesn’t exist, and we are not ever going to get this truth from these kind of media lackeys.

The lack of common sense in the Cia, and de terrible arogance and overestimation of them selfs, is making that they make one afther the other fault, where they than must brag them self out.

Whoever wrote this article needs to go back to where they came from.  What’s
all this crap about what list this young man should have been put on, or how
the list needs to be smaller?  Of course the damn list needs to be smaller!  And
likewise, our presence in the middle east needs to be smaller!  Is there any
connection between the two?  Hmm..I bet so. 

This whole thing smells rotten.  I have 2 questions:

1.)  Why did the Would ‘B Bomber wait all the way to the end of the flight before
he decided to detonate the explosive?  That doesn’t sound like a real suicide
bomber.  It sounds like somebody that either did not want to carry out the task,
or it also sounds like a very careful set-up. 

2.) If we only had the camera footage we could see how he acted.  I get the
feeling that he seemed very out-of-it at the time, which doesn’t sound like the
typical over-zealous behavior of suicide bombers preparing to go to heaven. 
You know what I mean here?

Anybody who reads the 1/9/10 WP article—“CIA bomber struck moments before pat-down” (12/30/09) at Afghanistan CIA base, killing at least 12 personnel—will see clearly the main reasons for failures in American foreign policy:
1.  Being too eager to succeed in getting top al-Qaeda
2.  Regarding any informant as “incredibly important” (CIA field officer quote)
3.  Acting in haste and naivete— “now it’s a military tempo where you don’t have time for ...” (unnamed senior intelligence officer quote)
4.  Overlooking extremist web postings
5.  Holding the meeting in a CIA center in an area that is a known targeting center for Predator strikes
  And last, but certainly not least, underestimating the Muslim resentment of American preferences for Israel over and above Israel’s abuses of the long-suffering Palestinians.  “In 2008, Balawi had declared on an Internet site that he wished to ‘be a bomb’ so he could destroy Israelis for teir treatment of Palestinians.” For this he had been in prison in Jordan and his family said that “his prison stay left him agitated and visibly stressed.”
  Such slips are incomprhensible unless you realize that the entire mare’s nest of “intelligence” is collapsing of its own sheer weight, and further, that America’s efforts in the area are almost totally misguided and lacking in understanding.

Anybody who reads the 1/9/10 WP article—“CIA bomber struck moments before pat-down” (12/30/09) at Afghanistan CIA base, killing at least 12 personnel—will see clearly the main reasons for failures in American foreign policy:
1.  Being too eager to succeed in getting top al-Qaeda
2.  Regarding any informant as “incredibly important” (CIA field officer quote)
3.  Acting in haste and naivete— “now it’s a military tempo where you don’t have time for ...” (unnamed senior intelligence officer quote)
4.  Overlooking extremist web postings
5.  Holding the meeting in a CIA center in an area that is a known targeting center for Predator strikes
  And last, but certainly not least, underestimating the Muslim resentment of American preferences for Israel over and above Israel’s abuses of the long-suffering Palestinians.  “In 2008, Balawi had declared on an Internet site that he wished to ‘be a bomb’ so he could destroy Israelis for teir treatment of Palestinians.” For this he had been in prison in Jordan and his family said that “his prison stay left him agitated and visibly stressed.”

Why wasn’t this would-be bomber on the smaller Selectee List containing the names of about 14,000 people? That big list seems more like a database than anything designed for actionable intelligence. Incredibly, I heard a report saying that the Department of Homeland Security signs off on each passenger of any US-bound flight. And yet this person’s name raised no red flags? I hope the fact that his destination was Detroit and not New York was not a factor in the failure to realize the threat he posed.

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>>But the vast majority have been (ie false flag operations)<<

You ignore my point.  You state this as fact, when it is conjecture at best.  I sat through a video presentation from Tarpley who is guilty of this as well.  Much of what he presented I agreed with but he really lost it when after presenting his more reasonable bits he launched into a proclamation that he as a non-scientist knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that global warming is a hoax.  I will grant that the phenomena is not fully understood but to make that statement is totally outrageous.  Conspiracy theory types generally do not demand rigorous evidence for many of these extraordinary theories and I think that is dangerous.  It becomes a recipe for being manipulated by these people as well.

“There are plenty of appropriate real incidents that can be used to manipulate public opinion.”

Its all in the timing.

glider, maybe so, it’s not like EVERY terror even is
false-flag. But the vast majority have been, and this
is now more the case than ever before. Real (non
false-flag) Groups that used violence for media
exposure learned their lessons in the 70’s and 80’s.
Every act of terror strengthened the police state and embittered the public. So they gave it up. Not
because they were unwilling to do whatever they
deemed useful, but because it was proven not to be
useful. Pretty much the only ones left in the terror
business are the spooks. They are the only party
which benefits. As usual, virtually any puzzle of
this sort can be solved with the simple formula “cui
bono?”. In investigative terms, it goes “follow the
money”.

A comment over false flag conspiracy theories.  The fact that they would be executed in the most secretive of fashions will always keep the truth ambiguous.  Apart for that point I don’t see that false flag operations are necessary to control events.  There are plenty of appropriate real incidents that can be used to manipulate public opinion.  More important than any false flag operations is simply the ability to control the messengers, the spin, and the response.  This is really all that needs to be done my the manipulators.

“Do we need more analysts? Faster computers? Better software? Maybe all of the above. But I doubt we need to reshuffle the bureaucracy yet again—and I doubt we need more information.

The very first task should be cutting that list of 550,000 “entities” down to a manageable size.”

None of this would eliminate false flag provocation and this incident bears all of the hallmarks.

Oh, puleeeez!  The information on Abdulmutallab was so “in plain sight” that any surveillance computers anywhere could have collated it automatically.
  1.  Listed among 550,000 (not a huge number)
  2.  Father (respected banker, ie “credible” )   
    VISITED US EMBASSY with warning.
  3. NSA knew of holiday plot coming from Yemen
  4. ticket agency—suspect paid cash and had no
    luggage on international flight. (maybe even a
    one-way ticket though this article doesn’t say.
Queston:  How closely are airline computers linked to official surveillance computers?  So much for the “credibility” aspects.  Now as to the real question:  What to do about “terrorism”:
  Stop terrorizng poor, non-tech, rural, deprived countries governed by autocratic religious systems using languages we don’t understand by invading them, bombing, killing civilians, pretending friendship and “democratization” and burning their poppy fields which are their main source of income, such as it is. The history of Western performance in Muslim countries has been provocational from the get-go. This is the true meaning of “less equals more”—that is, less war equals more peace; less invasion equals more chance of mutual understanding.
  (Apologies:  Most of us know these things and I only repeat them here out of a kind of desperation due to the naive suppositions and omissions of Robinson’s article.)

But that does not alter the fact, that most of us think that we not chould be in Afganistan with our army, but our citizen who wanth to help the Afgaans needs protection.

“Too Much Intelligence, Not Enough Common Sense”

Not enough of either, if you ask me.

To John Ellis,

I think that if there is a country wath is put down, on a daily base, then that is the country of the Palestyn people of the Gaza strip, thats why I think it chould by included in the list of oppression people.

That every body is forgetting wath it means common sense, not where you are writing about, but about handling of people in different situations on an inteligent base, not like the monstrous big CIA, our small contignent of soldiers have much more impact on the Afgane people as the US soldiers, why, just common sense, with our soldiers are comming people who go to the Afgane citizen with help they need, on an brotherly way, not as a occupation force, the time of the 7end Cavalarie are gone.

Sorry that I come in like this, I am writing with my feelings, most of our problems are human, and not politic, if you kill some one, its not the fors behind you who kills the other human, NO ITS YOU.

Salutation.

To Ardee,

This countrys list, must included Gaza.

What is it with these Washington Post bloggers?  Maybe its a conspiracy of infiltration?

First Ruth Marcus and then this guy blogging about exactly the same thing.

What’s going on, can TruthDig find writers anywhere else?

I wonder if the “Tide” list of 550,000 names, on which appeared the name of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, is the same one that contains Cat Stevens.

So how many Europeans are going to Florida for their holiday this year? Not me for one. Well I suppose if you arrive there in one piece and can survive American airports it’s probably worth it. But then, flying at 35,000 feet across the Atlantic in a metal tube at 500 mph, with a suicidal terrorist trying to set fire to his underpants is not exactly my idea of having a good time.
 
We have had the exploding shoes now we have the exploding knickers. We have to take our shoes off so that they can be scanned: now I must watch as my Calvin Klein’s move along the conveyer belt to disappear under the x-ray machine. There doesn’t seem to be any logic being used here. Look: if statistically most terrorists are male, from 25 – 35 years old and Muslim, what is the point in frisking and humiliating every single 75 year old woman, from say, Germany or Holland who never travels but is visiting her grand children in America? (Hopefully not to kill them – I’m referring to a current event in America.)

But doesn’t the whole thing seem repetitive: haven’t we heard this song before? It’s the old CIA argument, “awe shucks we screwed up again!” The question we have to ask ourselves is; is the CIA run by the Marks Brothers (as this and most other articles imply) or is all this intentional? Was the guy intentionally let on the plane to hype the scare level? I say that because of some weird things that happened before the plane took off. We know his father informed the CIA and that he paid cash for his ticket, (mainstream media news, Okay), but why was he allowed on the plane without a passport? We know he didn’t have a passport or visa because this has been reported by one of the passengers who overheard a heated conversation before the plane took off. Someone very, very high up got him on that plane. And who was the guy filming during the whole flight? Again, this was seen and reported by other passengers. Yes; videoed the whole event!

And then there is the other circumstantial evidence: the fact that Yemen has discovered oil – lots of it apparently, not forgetting Yemen’s important Middle Eastern geographical location. I’m pretty sure there will be permanent American military bases there soon. But the groundwork has to be done first, fear has to be generated, and the place and its people have to be demonized. Then McDonalds can do some business. Not to mention the Pentagon. Kick their ass and take their gas. Way to go America! But make it look legal, for Christ’s sake!

Ardee is right on about the questions that should be asked if it is a solution is what is sought.  Unfortunately, the lack of a solution makes the War on Terror about as enduring as the Cold War, and which is likely the reason this particular conflict focus has been selected.  So this is not stopping anytime soon and Obama is putting on a vomitous show with all this “buck stops here” meaningless hype/rhetoric, which has become his signature style.  How magnanimous of the f***er!  How about being so honest and up front about the Bailout and Healthcare fiascos for which he has considerable responsibility yet avoids discussion and accountability like the plague.

Too many “spooks”.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/let-the-right-one-in/

Common sense,

Is wat the Dutch use to keep the sea out of their country.

Common sens was behind the dicision from Pieter Stuyvesant who was Governor of New Amsterdam ” now New York ” not to fight but give the place to the English when he had seen the English fleet before the harbor.

With common sense we came all the way from the stone age, but now its not enough, we need so much artificial ingeniousness, that our common sense is drowning in unwisdom.

The real question is still not being asked. This “war on terror” simply cannot and will not be won. It is , at its root, a defense of western imperialism, the ripoff of nations, the enforcement of corporate piracy through military intervention and the installation of puppet govts that enrich themselves while allowing the people of their own nations to suffer.

Get out of Iraq, get out of Afghanistan, get out of Saudi Arabia for that matter and all the rhetoric of AlQaeda disappears, as does its reason to exist. We can accomplish more, much, much more through civilian assistance to indigenous peoples, through projects designed to raise the standards of living, and through fair and equitable dealings rather than expensive and endless military interventions.

Too gutless to call it for the obvious false-flag that
it is. Sad. The information piles up higher and higher
and the corporate media still holds fast at the gate.
Laughable. If anyone would like to read some actual
research on this matter, here it is:

http://tarpley.net/

Five stories on or related to this. Any one of them
taken at random is an order of magnitude more
journalist-like the the tripe above.