EmileZ, - “I fully stand behind the comments I made which have been disappeared from this thread!!!

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Good for you.  It appears TruthDig editors stand by their comment policies as well.  Did you receive a warning?

I fully stand behind the comments I made which have been disappeared from this thread!!!

Surfboy,

One of the more thoughtful conversations I have had here to date.  Thank you, immensely!  When I go about my day it’s only in the most extreme cases when my mind carries me to thinking someone and idiot. 

I think we can agree that racism, true racism, is both Learned and can be “inherent” in human Tribalism.*  Some will say I am Pollyannish in saying that it’s actually in the United States, more than most cultures, where one can, not only be accepted, but thrive.  And while there is no doubt racism exists in the United States, Americans have grown by leaps and bounds in an astoundingly short period of time.  In every young generation we see race as less an issue. 

Argue and press for more and better ways?  Yes.  But I believe it’s not worth a single drop of real blood fighting over.  Americans, on the whole, are reasonable people.  A great deal smarter than most here on TruthDig allow.

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*Put sixty young college students in a large room together and they will move themselves into cultural/tribal groups.  This does not, however, have to portent “racial” animosities.  The same applies everywhere.

Oops…LOL.. Pyongyang N. Korea.

Surfboy,

We agree on much but come to our conclusions from different directions.  While it seems you place more attention to racial issues as driving factors, I see more as fundamental cultural differences.  I see very little evidence that Western civilizations are any more or any less racist than the global average.  If we were to put such a label on a civilization I would say several Asian or Arab/Muslim civilizations practice more real racism than the average. - Neither you nor I can become a Japanese citizen and there’s literally no chance we’ll be meeting in Mecca any time soon. - Although my husband can.

Caucasians are no longer holding all the cards.  I see the direction of the globe, and yes inside the United States as well, as moving us even further away from that reality.  And while I agree there is more to be done, and can never let-up, the number of entrepreneurs, corporate board members, entertainment outlets, billionaires, community leaders and yes, even the current occupant of the White House, tells us that so many of the issues we agree on have less to do with fundamental racial considerations and, perhaps, more of something else entirely.

In the end I do not believe the (mostly white) 1% in the United States plan their individual moves based largely on racial considerations.

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Mr. Zimmerman is Hispanic with a German/Jewish heritage.  If that’s not “diverse” I don’t understand the term.  We can be relatively sure he would find very few of “his kind” working and living in Amman, Soul N. Korea, or Moscow.

Surfboy,

Ahha…I misunderstood your language - “the opinion of a ‘Bigot,’ as you provide” appeared to suggest my bigoted opinions were offered.  Thank you for clearing that up.

When you write of “historical cultivation”, is that not nurture versus nature? - I’m simply making sure we’re talking about the same thing. - I have no doubt there are many racists of all colors.  Racism, or tribalism, is found on every corner of the planet.  With that said, I have yet to see a sociology study which indicates white people to be any more or less bigoted or racist than others.  That is to say, if the United States had continued to grow as an Indian nation we would find the same behaviors at the pinnacle.

I still maintain that the United States, with all its obvious faults, is one of the more inclusive, diverse, racially and religiously tolerant nations in the world.

Surfboy,

I am a bigot?  Interesting.

Perhaps you could make your overall point better understood via highlighting my bigotry, as you understand it.  I only ask that you use my words and not your perception of me to illustrate the bigotry I may have displayed.

Surfboy, - “Then, doesn’t it follow that all races having equal propensity to be racist; whichever race has existed, in ever expanding power, the longest, in history, will “have” more of it in its veins.”

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Well, no.  Human nature doesn’t work that way.  Though I do understand what you’re getting at. 

I offered a simple comment.  There is nothing about the color of a person’s skin which will make them any more or any less racist.  For some, still unknown, reason Troy took exception to my comment.

Troy believes that anonymity on an online discussion forum is license to be an ass.  I disagree.  A difference of opinion makes no one an idiot.  And, if we are to be authentically honest, only a bigot would suggest that some views should not be heard.  Do you not agree?

Arabian Sinbad,

You took the long way around but you’ve made yourself clear once again.

Zimmerman - Murderous Jews - Israel.  The evil United States is complicit in these crimes.  Got it!

Thanks

Troy,

I require no apology.  It’s my impression you don’t have it in you to begin with. 

I will, however, ask one simple and direct question and we’ll see if you’re able to offer a simple and direct answer.  Are Caucasians any more or any less racist than others?

@IMAX

The fact that you are unable to overlook a minor slight to your intelligence [the fact you are being idiotic about your assertion] clearly indicates you are unable or unwilling to have a comprehensive discussion about racism in America.

That is your fault, not mine. You impugned my integrity to avoid having a valid discussion with me about racism and you continue to insist upon some kind of “apology” for my accurately characterizing your assertion as idiotic.

There will be no such “apology” forthcoming and since you have nothing valid to contribute on the issue, there is no further reason to engage you in dialogue.

The following is a comment I posted on another Truthdig thread under the title, “NYPD Takes Its Spying Action the Road.” In case some idiot is going to invoke the irrelevancy of my comment to the topic, I maintain the the criminal act of Zimmerman was initiated as an act of racist spying before it ended into a heinous murder act. All criminality, in my opinion, especially in America, is interconnected to events and policies beyond the borders of the U.S.
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“Let me put it this way at the risk of being labeled “anti-Semitic, though I consider myself more pure Semite than all the Jews in the world today!”

“The New York political-police establishment is a micro-system of the larger macro-system of the political-military-industrial complex of the U.S.A.”

“So what’s new about New York NYPD overbearing activity to suppress or terrorize any one who dares to criticize fascist, Zionist Israel.”

“As a footnote, I don’t know how many of you here have heard about the fate of an excellent veteran journalist, with an Arab-Muslim, Sunni Khalid, who was fired from the relatively objective National Public Radio because he tweeted to a friend what was perceived as critical of Israel.

For the sake of criminal fascist Israel, the new political correctness culture in these sad dis-United States of America has already trampled on the sacred human right concept of freedom of speech! We already live in a biggest police-spying state not known before in human history!

Congratulations to those who still believe that we still live in a democratic liberal America!!!!!!!!

To be black in america ... to be president in america - where’s the racism?

one shld think differently about having racist thoughts and not applying
them and having them and applying them.
so, ok, we may ALL HAVE RACIST THOUGHTS; or murderous, robbing,
lying, deceiving, beating s’mone, etc., thoughts/intentions, but most of
us do not act on them.
for most of us such thinkings/feelings pass and no harm ensues to
anyone from such feelings.

Troy, - “I assert that anyone who is the recipient of racism cannot and is not racist if they exhibit animus towards those who have (perpetrated) such racism upon them. I assert, correctly, that they are being reactionary.”

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That’s all well and fine.  Nonetheless, your assertion has nothing to do with me or anything I have written here.  Is there some other, as yet seen, reason for your argumentativeness?

I still maintain that going about your day telling people they are idiots over the simple matter of a difference of opinion, or this case your error in judgment while reading, makes you either nine years old or, as it seems more likely, a total flaming rectum.

to be is to be RELATED; thus, anything said, no matter how seemingly it
may appear irrelevant to any topic or thread, APPEARS RELEVANT.
please don’t fall for this ancient ruse that a thinkings/writings could ever
be irrelevant.
we all think and thus are related. the problem arises when a writer sets
tacitly or otherwise arbitrary perimeters of allowable discourse and then
when one in hisher mind oversteps it, it is irrelavant, off topic, etc.
i often deliberately overstep such boundaries.
so, baruch goldstein’s killings appear as much relevant as the killings by
merah or murder by zimmermann

By Troy Davis, March 24 at 9:03 am

@IMAX:

“No! I do not aqree with you. Your assertion in the context of the issue before us had to do with whether or not someone who was the recipient of racism was also racist torwards the person who perpetrated that racism upon them.”
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Troy Davis,

I admire you sober and reasonable analysis of racism and counter racism if I am allowed to put it this way.

However, there is another way of explaining this by the law of cause-effect or the law of nature which stipulates that “for every action there is a reaction similar to it in nature and opposite to it in direction.”

The law of nature applies to the laws of human nature; and in connection to racism if you cut off the initiator or the originator of racist acts, whether individuals or power-structure, they you’re, en essence, curing this disease at the root!

Again, I enjoyed reading your thoughtful and logical posts, so keep-up the good work!

from what i know, least racist of all races and voelker, were n.american indigenes.
on the other hand, of all the european lands, swiss appear least racist. now, i am staying away from naming the euro
empires/lands which appear most racist now or appeared in the past
and racism itself stems from DISCRIMINATION/MERITOCRACY; itself being caused by and ideology i call personal
supremacism; which may or may not [depends on thinker] subsume nat’l, ethnic, empire, cultural, linguistic, and
cultic supremacism.
however, any supremacism is recipe for doing all kinds of wrongs to people who are designated explicitly or by
implication as inferior.
if we maintain it or deepen it [it seems the 20% is doing this already] we can expect only worsening for ‘inferior’
people at home and ‘inferior’ peoples.
of the three major cults, talmudic one appears by far more racist than christianity, and islam.
this may explain why zimmermann had killed they young black or why an ashkenazic [possibly sephardic] talmudnik
or orthox killed so many people in a mosque in hebron.
and, of course, we can expect more of such killings and not less.
and to end on even a sadder note, this is mostly due to the will of the 20%: priests, plutocrats, army echelons, ‘our’
teachers, doctors, ‘scientists’, banksters, et al.

@IMAX:

No! I do not aqree with you. Your assertion in the context of the issue before us had to do with whether or not someone who was the recipient of racism was also racist torwards the person who perpetrated that racism upon them.

I assert that anyone who is the recipient of racism cannot and is not racist if they exhibit animus towards those who have perpertrated such racism upon them. I assert, correctly, that they are being reactionary.

Now, in a magnanimous effort to enjoin you in a discussion, [and although your original premise was erroneous], I acknowledged that hispanics, blacks, ands asians can exhibit racism towards others who have not expressed racism towards them.  This was a token acknowledgement that you are at least on the right track in your comprehension of racism and how it impacts America.

Clearly, you have taken that acknowledgement and sought to distort it into some erroneous assertion that I completely agreed with you which obviously I did not.

However, having a discussion about racism is a very complex issue and the origins of that racism are complex.

Generally speaking, someone has to be in power and have the ability to implement their racism to effectively achieve any effect from it.

When a black hates an hispanic or vice versa, neither of them is really empowered over the other to effectuate any real damage based upon the structure of the culture or society.

The desire to overcome the effects of white racism in America drives minorities to reestablish within themselves a feeling of self-worth and self-esteem that has been lost owing to their experience of racism in America.

Therefore, to regain that feeling of self-esteem and self-worth, they necessarily look for a “scapegoat” to relieve themselves of the terrible burden that racism has placed upon them.

This leads to their reactionary effort to find someone, anyone, to relieve these terrible feelings of worthlessness imposed upon them by the White Power Structure and therefore in reaction to it, they seek out others in the misguided and mistaken belief it will help them cope with the effects of their racial experience.

Of course, this fundamentally flawed and represents their “reaction” to racism. Fortunately for the White Power Structure it works to perfection for it.

While minorities engage in mutual hatred of each other based upon the effects of their mutual racist experience in America, the white power structure is “enabled” to continue to be racist and inflict that racism upon the minority population.

As I have said, racism, like elitism, is a pernicious evil and the eradication of it is most difficult to accomplish. It requires the eradication of the spiritual virus of racism and as far as I know the only “cure” for racism is AGAPE!

I hope this clarifies my position for you and awakens in you an awareness ofthe fallacy in your thought process.

what happen to blacks, some arabs and/or muslims, koreans, s.e.asians, pakistanis,
pashtuns, somalis, lebanese, et al, living outside US is even much worse than what now
happens to blacks living in US.
it is that 20% of americans, which also includes some blacks, who are punishing above-
listed ‘aliens’ and domestically also blacks, indigenes, or even latinos.
so, why does ER so consistently eschew to also blame black congress people for their role
in the butchery of ‘aliens’?
did he ever condemn black soldiers killing koreans, vietnamese, pashtuns, et al?
i think blacks of america must own up to own crimes they do to lighter-skinned people;
and regardless because they are not of the same or similar skin color or because of their
ideology which differs much from ideologies of peoples that blacks themselves oppress,
murder, maim, occupy, bomb, raid, etc.

Troy,

Let me see if I have this straight.  I claim Caucasians are no more racist than others and you disagree with my observation.  I then point out how your judgement on the subject is in error.  You, in turn, change your position and agree with my original assessment but, yet, I remain wrong?

If you’d like, I invite you to explain further why people who disagree with you should not be heard in a public forum.  I’m sure others will find your thinking very telling.

You reside in an interesting place, Troy.

By IMax, March 24 at 6:47 am

Arabian Sinbad,

“It seems the surname, Zimmerman, piques you immensely, however, I believe this event in Florida, one of the fifty United States, has nothing to do with Israel or your hatred of all who are named Zimmerman.  I believe there is no mention of Israel, or your hatred of Jews, anywhere in this article.”
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I understand that only free-thinkers with critical minds have the ability to establish parallels and connections between events.

I also understand that only a hateful, racist, begot troll like you will never be able to establish such parallels and connections!

It’s people like you that actually justify and validate such parallels and connections!

If you always give yourself the right to have a knee-jerk reaction to my name “Arabian”, then by the law of equity I have the right to react to a crime and atrocity committed by a name such as Zimmerman and now by a name such IMax!

Is it, per chance, that you adopted this nombre de plume because “You Max” your evil propaganda, bigotry and racism on behalf of your evil fascist Zionist Israel?!

Why don’t you address what I said about your beloved evil fellow Zionist Baruch Goldstein whose parallel evil action to Zimmerman is that they are both racist criminals who want the right to murder innocent souls with impunity?!

@IMAX:

If you wish to characterize someone else as being rectal or anal retentive, I suggest you come out of the darkness of your own mind by removing your head from your ass.

Then, once your mind is exposed to the light and your brain receiving oxygen again, with the foul smell of your anus but a memory, you can evaluate more effectively the stupidity of your assertion concerning how those who are the victims of racism cannot be racist towards their victimizers but merely reactionaries responding to that exposure to the racism.

Can someone who has been the victim of racism be racist towards some other group?  Absolutely, we see it in America and around the world every day. That does not mean that those people are anything more than reactionaries to the original racism.

Racism is a pernicious evil. It is likened to a virus [like aids] that infects the host and ultimately destroys its host by siphoning off the spiritual vitality of the person leaving only an empty shell devoid of all human compassion and humanity.

So, when and if you ever remove your head from your ass, we might possibly have a more enlightened and worthwhile discussion about racism. Until then, you should be seen and not heard, as the adage advises.

Arabian Sinbad,

It seems the surname, Zimmerman, piques you immensely, however, I believe this event in Florida, one of the fifty United States, has nothing to do with Israel or your hatred of all who are named Zimmerman.  I believe there is no mention of Israel, or your hatred of Jews, anywhere in this article.

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

I understand there is only one narrative which interests you when you visit TruthDig.  Is it too much to request that you keep your narrative confined to those subjects which have to do with Israel and/or your hatred of Jews?

As a follow-up to my one previous post under this thread, murderous Zimmerman can achieve a national hero status in Israel, like his fellow murderous Baruch Goldstein, an American-born physician, who in 1994 massacred in cold blood 29 Muslim worshipers and seriously injured some 125 others, in the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, Palestine.

Though killed by some of the survivors of that bloody massacre, Goldstein became a modern Golden Calf, worshiped many Zealot fascist Zionists in terrorist-founded Israel.

As a footnote to this, though the early founders of terrorist Israel were of European descend, most of the latest terrorists came from the U.S.A. You can get insight on this by searching under Israeli terrorism in Wikipedia.

My point:

Despite official U.S. collaboration and alliance with fascist Zionist Israel, a murderer such as Zimmerman might find a more welcoming popular company in Israel than in these sad dis-United States of America! 

Hang this son of a bitch in public, and then send his filthy corpse to be buried in the un-Godly place known as Israel!

I believe it’s safe to assume that if Trayvon Martin were Caucasian or Hispanic chances are he would likely be alive today.  It seems nearly certain, to me anyhow, that if Mr. Zimmerman were black he would have been questioned more thoroughly on the issue of probable cause.  Even if the investigating officers were black themselves.

Since it has become fashionable in these sad United States of America to profile people not only by their color skin, but also by their names, then I would take liberty to ask the question: Isn’t Zimmerman a bad Jew?!

If he is, then Zionist Israel is a better place for him as a trigger-happy child killer. In Israel he can kill as many Palestinian babies and children as he can and no questions asked; but not only that, there, in fascist Israel, he has a chance to become a national hero!

I will probably end up “washing my mind out with soap”  after I type this, but in the interest of intellectual honesty I must agree with IMax (to a point).

Racism is not an invention of White people. Consider two groups of people who have suffered extreme generational unthinkable abuse at the hands of racist; Blacks and Jews. One would think that both these groups would outright reject racism and would never (as a group) fall into the trap of repeating the mistakes of their oppressors.

The trick is pulled off by"compartmentalization”; take the struggle of your own people, but it in a box and never compare it to what you are now doing to others. The racist Apartheid state that is Israel and it’s zealous supporters here in America can and will never compare their abuse of the Palestinians to what was done to them in Germany.

Blacks in America choose not to make the connection the racist treatment of Muslims today and what was and is being done to them.

That’s it fellas, keep it “compartmentalizes”! Don’t have the “guts” to extrapolate; compare what is being done to Muslims by the NYPD, or Obama and Holder’s outright assassination programs. Keep it narrow and limited to a “Black v.s. White” thing.

Dr. King almost lost the support of many of his supporters when he had the courage and intellectual to look out side of his own struggle and compare it to what was being done to the people of Vietnam. Many Blacks and Whites in the corporate media came down on him “like a ton of bricks” for daring to suggest that their was a connection between the mistreatment and abuse of Blacks in America and the mass murder of millions in Vietnam. “None of us are free, until all of us are free” (MLK).

I have sought to make the same connection between the murder torture and incarceration of countless Muslim Men, Women and Children both here and abroad and racist murder of Trayvon Martin, but many here seem to far to comfortable looking at this as if it happen in a vacuum. 

When Nelson Mandela visited this country and was asked to compare the struggle in his country for freedom to the Black Civil rights movement here in America he took the advise of his “handlers” and declined comment. Unlike Dr. King, Mandela was an intellectual coward.

Connecting the racist murder of this 17 year old boy to the racist policies of the Bush and Obama administrations is vital to understanding the scope of what is really being done to “us” (humanity). If we allow them to “compartmentalize”  our oppression and not make these connections, they will always win.  “None of us are free, until all of us are free”.

Surfboy,

I would ask you to put my reply to Mr. Davis in the context of my first post. - Caucasians are no more racist than are Hispanic, Negro, Asian or anyone else.  I ask that you not assume more than I wrote.

As to those who occupy the upper part of the pyramid being largely Caucasian I would say; in this global economy that is fast changing.  There is a great deal of “color” at the pinnacle today.

Troy Davis,

It is impossible for someone who is the victim of racism to be racist themselves?  What an odd view of human-nature.  I’m not sure I know of any place on earth where that’s true.

I can see you have your passionate opinions (you believe races are not equal under the skin) but I need more than that.  I would like to see a sociology study which illustrates that any one race of people are more or less racist than another.  If you locate such a study please do share.  Barring that we’ll agree to disagree.

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BTW: I am of the firm opinion that going about your day telling people they are idiots over the simple matter of a difference of opinion makes you either nine years old or, as it seems more likely, a total flaming rectum.  I’m sure you yourself would not wish to spend time with that.

@ gerard

You are a good person.

Take comfort in that.

Your concerns are of the highest quality.

Am I the only one who sees a certain parallelism between the self-appointed “Neighborhood Watcher” with his gun and his feelings of insecurity and our vast “conspiracy” of Homeland Security surveillers building their network center in Utah to watch over all of us suspicious-looking people in hoodies?

@ IMAX:

You said “BTW:  Caucasian people are no more racist than are Hispanic, Negro, Asian or anyone else.”

Whomever you are, you are a complete idiot. It is impossible for someone who is the victim of racism [such as blacks, hispanics and asians] be racist.

You can attribute to them being “reactionary” to that racism in America but you cannot assert with any intellectual or moral integrity that their reaction to racism is itself racist.

I think anyone who understands the White Power Structure in America comprehends the difference between racism and reaction to that racism.

Sadly, either you do not comprehend the synergism or the dynamic between the two, or you are being intellectually dishonest and are morally bankrupt, too.

Imax being uplifted by an error in judgement does not help one deal with reality. I’ve lived and travelled extensively in the U.S. over the years. I’ve found most Americans to be poorly educated, narrow minded, and very insular . Its necessary to praise their god and wave their flag, very often indeed, to avoid suspicion of ones loyalty. This is a general comment there are many exception of course but exceptions don’t proove a rule.

The other “hair-trigger assumption” we make is that
the 2nd Amendment permits everyone to own a gun. 
This prevailing assumption is perpetrated by the
right and zealot vigilante groups like the NRA, who
for some reason, place the “right” to own a gun, ANY
GUN, over the right for human beings to live safely. 
When will this nation ever put away the notion that
people who kill people with guns are simply “lone
actors” in an “unfortunate event”?  Guns may not
“pull the trigger” but they exist to kill—that is
their only purpose.  It doesn’t take that much brain
power to realize that if something is created for
dealing death, death it will deal.  It dehumanizes both the user and the victim by allowing death-dealing to be remote and impersonal—unlike stabbing, beating, drowning or strangling which all require very personal participation.  Guns simply make killing easy and thoughtless.  And fast; there is no stopping it once the trigger is pulled.

Likewise, it is an insult to human dignity to defend the
ridiculous argument that the NRA perpetuates that
without guns we’d lose all our other “rights”.  Wake
up, America!  We already HAVE lost our rights.  What
is the USAPatriot Act or the NDAA about but removing
our rights and dropping us further into a police
state?  And ask any of the hundreds of people
brutalized by NYPD or Oakland PD as they march for
social and economic justice as the OWS?  Whose got
the guns?  What do they do?  So far, no live
ammunition has been used on American citizens at
these rallies, but sooner or later…

Point is, having the “right” to own a gun does not
make the nation more democratic.  In fact, it is
clear that it has done nothing but make us more
brutal and narrow-minded.  Why bother with dissent or
differing opinions or diversity when we can simply
pull out a Glock and blast away those we hate or make
us uncomfortable. No amount of fear-mongering about “commies” or “dictators” can change the reality that nations with stricter gun control laws are generally safer, if not more democratic as well, and those where guns proliferate much more violent, dangerous and authoritarian.

I’m not denying that race is perhaps at the heart of
this issue, but I have to wonder whether Mr.
Zimmerman would have been so eager to kill any
innocent teen had he been restricted to a knife, club
or rope?  Guns enable the killing to be so much less
personal, and so much simpler.  If he really had had
to soak his hands in the boy’s blood, or wrap his
hands around the boy’s neck, would he have succeeded
in killing him, or would common sense, or shock at
what he was about to do stayed his hands before the
deed was complete. 

As much as we should be outraged about Trayvon’s
death as evidence of our remaining cultural, and
personal, racism, we must also not be afraid to take
on the big gun lobbies that push these weapons of
family and community destruction onto us—claiming
benefits that simply do not exist.  Denying that guns are part of the problem is just that—denial.

I think it’s worth reminded a few people here that with all its faults the United States has grown to be one of the most racially and religiously diverse nations in the world.  From an antebellum slave economy through to today in only a handful of generations.  It’s fairly amazing. - Of course there is much more to accomplish.

A German diplomat I’ve become acquainted with once told me why she believed America remains a “great and powerful” nation.  She pointed out that a visitor to Japan can never become “Japanese”.  The same is true for China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Germany and dozens of other nation-states.  Anyone can become an American.

This diplomat holds a higher opinion of the United States than I happen to, however, I did find her outlook uplifting.

BTW:  Caucasian people are no more racist than are Hispanic, Negro, Asian or anyone else.

jimmy,
yes, i had in my mind what you said about there being proportionately more blacks in jail than that of other races.
alas, robinson, being part of the black 1% and of the privileged 20%, avoids to look at the causes for such a phenomena which blacks have to
go thru.
to THE ONE PERCENT and even black ONE PERCENT, nothing that happens in US is caused.
everything just happens. no human hand/mind is involved in these occurrences.

threat to US happens. economy does this or that or has a mind/hand of its own; people have no say in how economy functions.
and ‘god’ or god happens also. no rhyme or reason to it—god just happens. and that some people know god better than others, also JUST
HAPPENS AND THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT AND NOW SHUT YOUR FACE FOR ONCE, WILL YA!!!
and we cld go on: bible, quran, talmud, constitution, wars, jailings, torture, deceiving, robbing, etc.. just happen.
it’s never why and how anything happens.
is it any wonder that people are at sea, angry, murderous, hateful, helpless, hopeless when they are not aware of what we just said.
damn it, even shit does not JUST HAPPEN—it, too, is caused and causes in turn all kinds of good and bad things.
people have used shit to fertilize fields and gardens for perhaps 20k y. and it makes plants grow and give good crops, fruit, etc.
slavery was caused and in turn caused all kinds of evils. american ONE PERCENT is also caused, but effects of it are mostly demonic and not
much beneficial—if at all.
we cannot do nothing about eliminating shitting, but we can eliminate the world’s ONE PERCENT. if we do not—or do not to a sufficient degree
limit it in its arbitrary and diktatorial behavior, present hell we live in wld look like paradise in comparison to what we’ll go thru in 30 y or so.

The White Supremacist Power structure in America has always pitted hispanics, blacks, and asians against each other to insure the predominance of White people in America.

The divide and conquer strategy has been very effective and kept minorities at each others throats since the inception of the country.

The idea is for no one notice the oppression or the oppressors, the WHITE POWER STRUCTURE, because minorities are too busy engaging in hatred of each other to notice.

Ironically, collective, the minority population in America represent a majority of the people and if they worked together against the White Power structure could put an end to it.

This is not happening in America and I fear it will never happen because GREED [Get Rich Eviscerating Everything Democratic] is at the heart of the White Power Structure.

Something about the word “entitlement” haunts me.
The U.S. seems to find ways to justify both killing and exploitation in foreign lands, and part of the justification is always “homeland security” or “America first” or “self-protection”—some sanctifying, self-exculpatory reason that makes the nation feel “entitled” to force, win, rule—up to and including the ever-more obvious fact that the U.S. is at war with the U.S. itself.

This mad gunman (one of how many?) is apparently a self-appointed, sanctimonious person who “felt threatened” and was armed with a deadly weapon he somehow felt “entitled” to use against a black teen carrying a treat home from the neighborhood food shop.

The similarities are perhaps not coincidental?

F you EmileZ, bug off, I’m not talking to you.

Yes, idiots, this is absolutely a POLITICAL issue.

Balkas There are more black people in Americas for profit jails than there ever were slaves in the 1800s. I just think Mr. Robinson could find a better use of his considerable writing skills than this horrible but predictable incident.

Dorndiego. Remember the gonzales media circus and political football. When a cuban boy was kidnapped by anti-Castro Cubans then returned by slick willy Clinton. The country went nuts foe a couple of weeks axes were ground , hobby horses were ridden. Ah Florida the state that cocaine built.

Kerryrose So all this media hype is not political?

@ kerryrose

Again, you miss the point.

DornDiego

‘Politicizing’ the death of an unarmed black kid?  What?  You don’t think it is political?  You don’t believe people should be outraged?

YOU DON’T BELIEVE THIS BOY’S DEATH SHOULD BE SPOKEN OF IN OUTRAGED AND MORAL TONES????

WTF?

@ jimmmmmmmy

To assume makes an “ass” of “u” and “me”.

Well maybe not me, or in this case, Mr. Robinson.

Don’t you have some bleachers to hide under or something???

You people struggling to call out Eugene Robinson for being part of “the tepid and
ineffectual left” and not being outraged enough, or for not attacking our Middle
East prejudices in his Trayvon column and, especially you, anonymous jimmmy,
for having the half-nuts to call someone you don’t know a sell-out… you’re all
revealing the depth and width of your soulless selves.  The death of this kid
should not be an occasion for you to launch mindless politicized hate.

Mr. Robinson has know idea what its like to be black in America today. As an Obamacrat in the media bubble he sees only the reflecton of his own image.

as i have said in one of my yesterday’s posts on td, there is still a very deep racial divide in US.
and so deep that i conclude that at least some blacks, say, 80% fared better in slavery than in the
‘freedom’.
what has changed, appears that US 1% decided to let in on a good deal also black 1%.
the US 1% realized: hey, there is a better way to control blacks; so, let’s use blacks to control blacks or
make them believe how just, fair US society and governance is.
however, fair and just it wasn’t and ain’t even today to most whites—it was always meritocratic; and thus
unjust, unfair, scornful/hateful of any person who could not perform as ‘fathers’ [rich whites only club] of
the confederation demanded from them.
so, the evil seed was sown long time ago from which then emanated hatred for, anger at, belittlement of
so many.
alas, hatred for, anger at not only, say, 80% of americans but also 100% palestinians, russians, pashtuns,
libyians, syrians, koreans, et al.

The people whom I hear contend that racism no longer exists in this country are usually those who DO have a problem with race and are simply ranting, “I have the right to speak and vent my anger toward minorities without being called a racist”. We saw that when Rush Limbaugh made the rediculous argument that the press wanted to see Donavan McNabb, who was quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles, succeed just because he is black.

As a white male who grew up in the south it shocks, and shames me, to have white people hear in the Northeast make racist comments to me regarding blacks, Jews, and hispanics, expecting me to agree.  They are ones who are shocked when I refuse; they look at me like I have betrayed my heritage.

What this country has lost is its spiritual nudge that is the true life for acceptance.  Martin Luther King Jr saw the struggle for black people, as well for other minorities, as one in which we all have to be recognized as children of God.  Now, I am one who gladly accepts each persons God as he or she understands God; the word “God” does not even have to be part of a person’s mindset.  But there does have to be something greater than any one of us or any group of us simply because none of us have the power to keep us from being scattered and lost.

When I look at the racism and bigotry that exists now my first thought is “It’s not supposed to be this way.  This should have ended years ago”.  But the Zimmermans and the others I run into nearly on a daily basis who need to feel that they are better than someone are still around.  Maybe it is because they, in spite of the religion that many of them claim, actually have nothing greater than themselves, and they are simply too small and too afraid to embrace any purpose or reason.

@ vector56

Dude, you just one-upped Allah himself.

“When Till was killed in Mississippi at 14—accused of flirting with a white woman—this was a different country. State-sanctioned terrorism and assassination were official policy throughout the South. “

Robinson seems like most here conveniently over looks the “state-sanctioned terrorism that consumed thousands of young Muslim men in this country. Ironic that he would refer to Dr. King who declared “none of us are free, until all of us are free!”

Comparing the cold blooded murder of 17 year old Trayvon Martin to 16 year old Abdulrahman al-Awlaki is not submitting apples and oranges. The only things that seems to be different is that young Middle Eastern looking men are “in reason” and Blacks for a short while were not.

Countless Muslims (including US citizens)have been locked up, tortured and out right murdered by both the Bush and Obama administration. Eric Holder announced that they (Obama administration) can kill any US citizen without trial when they consider them to be a threat; tell me, how is that different from Florida’s “Stand your ground law”?

@ kerryrose

Dude, stick a fork in it and turn it over because you’re done.

He is not writing about the fucked up law.

Why such a concilitory tone?

‘Whether Zimmerman can or should be prosecuted…’

Do you have no opinion- strong opinion? Do you intend to leave it to the Florida justice system to decide?

Why the hell would you write an article about the slaying of an unarmed black teenager without emotion or opinion?  You remind me of Obama.  Are you trying to be more ‘serious’ because you do not have strong emotions or opinions?  That is exactly what is wrong with the tepid and ineffectual left.