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Posted on Sep 13, 2010
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By Bill Boyarsky

The evil side of America is on display in the form of a media-fueled Islamophobia that recalls some of the worst bigotry in the nation’s past. This is not what we hoped for in the days after Sept. 11, 2001, or the election of President Barack Obama in 2008.

“During Ramadan, I visited 25 communities, 25 mosques, and I have never seen such a high level of anxiety,” said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of the Greater Los Angeles Area. “Most Americans don’t realize what it is to be a targeted minority. The overwhelming majority of Americans don’t know what it is to be a victim of hate crimes.”

A Washington Post-ABC News poll indicates his impressions may be correct. Forty-nine percent of those surveyed held an unfavorable view of Islam, compared with 37 percent with a favorable view. In October 2002, 47 percent said their view of Islam was favorable and 39 percent unfavorable. A third in the latest poll, about double the 2002 level, said they believed Islam encourages violence.

I was introduced to Ayloush by the Greater Los Angeles area council’s communication manager, Munira Syeda, who was one of my students during a semester that I taught reporting and column writing at UC Berkeley’s Graduate School of Journalism.

It was the fall semester of 2001. On Tuesday, Sept. 11, I rose early, turned on the television and watched the planes hit the World Trade Center. My class—half a dozen or so students—was to meet at 9 a.m. I didn’t think anyone would show up. But I thought I should check in.

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I walked through a deserted campus to my classroom in North Gate Hall. Every one of my students was there. It would have been just as easy—and excusable—for them to stay home and immerse themselves in trauma. But they were ready and eager to get started.

We decided each student would examine the impact of the attack on a minority community in the Bay Area. One student picked the Jewish community. Another chose African-Americans. Munira examined Muslims’ reactions. And one chose the Japanese-American community, whose members had been herded into prison camps after Pearl Harbor was attacked on Dec. 7, 1941. That, we all knew, was the most apt comparison. The question was whether Muslims would be treated as Japanese-Americans were 60 years before.

The young journalists started digging. Although some were on unfamiliar ground, they learned about the people they covered, about their lives, feelings and interests.

Meanwhile, fear subsided, the fear that drove Muslim women students to band together with men for the nighttime walk home from the library. The country slogged through wars, elected an African-American president and congratulated itself on being such a forward-looking and tolerant nation—until the craziness started.

How did it start?

A huge factor was the Great Recession. “Under unusual circumstances, we find someone to blame,” said Ayloush. He noted that anti-Semitism was intense during the Depression, and that Mexicans, including U.S. citizens caught up in the hysteria, were deported. The World War II imprisonment of Japanese-Americans was the most egregious example.

Someone has to fan the bigotry. During the Depression, Father Charles Coughlin attacked the Jews in radio speeches that had a wide audience, playing on the anti-Semitism that was part of American life. The imprisonment of the Japanese was preceded by many years of hostile mainstream news coverage of them, stories in which they were portrayed as lesser human beings. Today, misleading blogs on Muslims appear on the Internet. Several anti-Muslim blogs have fiercely attacked the plans to build a community center and mosque near Ground Zero.

One of the leading blogging opponents of the mosque is Jihad Watch, headed by Robert Spencer. Spencer is the author of 10 books, including “The Truth About Muhammad” and, with Pamela Geller, of “The Post-American Presidency: The Obama Administration’s War on America.”

Some of the anti-mosque bloggers are hawkish supporters of Israel. Politico has reported that Jihad Watch was supported by funds provided by Joyce Chernick, a founder of Pajamas Media, a backer of Israel hard-liners. I find it disgusting that supporters of Israel would take part in such an effort.

Diane Winston, who holds the Knight Chair in Media and Religion at the University of Southern California’s Annenberg School for Communication, told me she believes “the whole notion of Islamophobia is tied to an anti-Obama feeling … it’s not politically correct to say you are anti-black. It’s OK to say you are anti-Muslim. … It’s a foil for racism.”

She also said anti-Muslim sentiment slipped into the mainstream media, especially when news outlets began covering the Manhattan mosque story and the threat by the Rev. Terry Jones and his 50-member Florida congregation to burn the Quran unless the planned mosque was moved.

Winston’s remark made sense to me. The “he said, she said” conventions of traditional journalism require that one statement be balanced by another, no matter how loony. As a result, Jones emerged last week as a theological source, worthy of equal time to balance the conciliating words of President Barack Obama and other sensible people. Jones has now abandoned his Quran-burning project, and the media, with its short attention span, will move on to someone else, some other crazy to “balance” the words of the sane.

Today, Muslims are covered as if they were “the other,” a subset outside American life. Why don’t mainstream reporters learn about the Muslim community and report on the daily lives of men, women and young people? What about the writers, the nurses, the athletes, the doctors, the lawyers, the professors, the small business owners, the working-class men and women who are struggling with the sick economy? What about the men and women in the armed forces?

My students found such regular people, including American Muslims, who live their lives just as most people do. It’s hard to believe that the traditional media couldn’t do the same.


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By drbhelthi, September 15, 2010 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

The theory behind this article, the entire article,
the freshly created term, Islamophobia are all
interesting distractions. One may conclude that all
are creations of the secretive CIA, which was
converted from the OSS in 1946 by NAZI SS General
Gehlin. And, which has since that date been governed
by WWII NAZI personalities. It is also interesting
that GHWBush Sr. was the secretive head of the CIA,
when our beloved John F. Kennedy Sr. was
assassinated.

It is only logical to think that hate would be
aroused toward folk of the Moslem belief, when
GHWBushSr and his pimpery hired Arab-types to be
scapegoats for the attack on the Twin Towers.
Insiders have repeatedly annulled the idea that the
scape-goated Moslem types actually did what
GHWBushSr and his CIA puppetry, to include Junior
Bush, alleged to have happened.

It is time for the world to again review and believe
the factual information that has been accumulated
about 9-11, by truth-seekers, instead of the
propaganda repeatedly puked-up by the administration
pimpery. 

It distresses me to think of all the American
Patriots whose names and family histories were
robbed from tombstones, and from WWII history, and
replaced with names of WWII NAZIs who were secreted
into the U.S.,1945-1948.

It also distresses me to consider that answers to
the confusion that has plagued the USA since WWII,
were provided by authentic, WWII NAZI documents,
passed on to trustworthy Americans by Adolf Hitler´s
last bodyguard, LTC Otto Skorzeny,
just prior to his death in the USA, 1999.

It is time for more CIA insiders to show a bit of
respect for the U.S.A., and come clean. Before the
nation disintegrates and can no longer support them
– or itself.

A more appropriate gingle for today than
islamophobia, would be FamilyBushophobia.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 15, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

Tedmurphy41 calling others you dislike “not Americans” is a very bad habit I see all over. One day you could be called that too and there are those that like you want to remove them from society. Not a good idea. Not moral, not Constitutional. Don’t turn into them on the other side.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 15, 2010 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Who here has EVER been directly threatened by a Muslim person (and comments here on TD don’t count)?

I’ve been threatened by all kinds in my life, mostly White, occasionally Black, mostly redneck or the Northern equivalent, almost always Christian (both Catholic and Protestant), rarely Jewish, but NEVER by a Muslim.

I’ll bet very few here have ever been threatened by a Muslim unless they served in the ME for the US government or government contractor.  But here at home?  Nada, I’ll bet.

The CLOSEST I’ve ever come to that is to snubbed by a Black Muslim proselytizing on the streets of Washington.  He only handed out his leaflets to Black people passing.

But I HAVE been assaulted both physically (never by anyone by a White) and verbally (Whites, Blacks and Asians).

So…Where’s this threat from “every” Muslim? A few Muslim equivalents of Preacher Terry Jones? A bunch of disaffected college-educated young men without wives or girlfriends? A distant fanatical organization that attacked us and thus has us in IRRATIONAL fear (like in Wyoming)?

Shoot at the bad guys with a sniper’s target rifle, not a shotgun or machine gun!

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By tedmurphy41, September 15, 2010 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Well, these bigoted racists have given other minority American citizens a break by now targeting Muslims.
They, the bigots, really are a pathetic bunch, truly not worthy of being called Americans.
You should look to your Constitution to add or remove any amendments that allow these creatures to thrive.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 15, 2010 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

Islamophbia?

According to FBI crime statistics Jews are six times more likely to be physically assaulted in the United States than are Muslims. - It seems we live in a antisemitic society?

According to FBI crime records Tea Party supporters are fifteen times more likely to be physically assaulted for their beliefs than supporters of democrats.

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By walterbard, September 15, 2010 at 4:47 am Link to this comment

In recent years Islam has shown itself to be a dangerous and intolerant religion. In most moslem
countries nonmoslems are subject to severe discrimination. For examble the Coptic Christians
in Egypt. The Christians in Sudan. The nonmoslem
kurds, the Zoastrians. And of course the Jews,
almost all of whom were expelled from moslem
countires. Far more than the so-called Palestinians
who left Israel during 1949.
Today, Islam is one of the major sources of antisemitism. often disquised as Antizionism.
One only has to look at England and France to see
what happens when moslem emigrants increase in numbers. the first generation moslems were
like all other immigrants, just trying to live
a better life. But as the numbers increased there
was a grwoth of militancy especially among the second generation. In england there is a serious dicussion as to whether aspects of Sharia law
should be incorporated into English law. A large
number of terrorists come from England. In France the
so called mainstream moslems protested the teaching of the holocaust.
Jihad means what it says. It’s not some kind of walk
about to find oneself, it’s a holy war against nonmoslems. Don’t take my word for it, just peruse
youtube clips or read about what is preached in Moslem counties. In american the rhetoric is subdued
for now, but if moslems increase in number and influence they will become a lot more militant and dangerous.

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By Inherit The Wind, September 15, 2010 at 4:40 am Link to this comment

Maani, September 15 at 12:07 am Link to this comment

ITW:

A phrase like “conspiracy dingbat” is simply an acknowledgment that you have no interest in the truth, and would prefer to simply “dismiss” anyone who does with dismissive phrases that say nothing and allow for zero interaction.  “I have made up my mind; don’t confuse me with the facts” is what you mean.

You apparently drank WAY too much of the “official story” Kool-Aid.

Peace.
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Thanks.  I can’t tell you how much that means to me.  I’ve gotten that same advice from religious fanatics for over 40 years, and I give it the same deep consideration.

Be sure to check under your bed for Mossad and CIA bugs tonight.

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By clipper, September 15, 2010 at 4:26 am Link to this comment

No matter what party, the Islamophobia started by the Bush regime after our,- 9/11 Reichstag -and pushed full bloom by the neo con of the GOP, and the fascist Tea Party.

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

“Oh please Arab states, don’t keep asking Israel do
  give up their Atomic Weapons, looky, I am going to ship
  $60,000,000,000.00 worth of death machines to you if
  you will just shut up about Israel’s WMDs.”

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By Maani, September 14, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

A phrase like “conspiracy dingbat” is simply an acknowledgment that you have no interest in the truth, and would prefer to simply “dismiss” anyone who does with dismissive phrases that say nothing and allow for zero interaction.  “I have made up my mind; don’t confuse me with the facts” is what you mean.

You apparently drank WAY too much of the “official story” Kool-Aid.

Peace.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - “What is the place where you can “get things done” GRYM? Why are you here..”?

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There are billions of people working together getting things done.  Places where the nonsense too often on display here is meaningless.  I have many times had such an honor.

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TruthDig and RedState, for me, is an interesting hobby with a discipline in listening.  I comment on a small handful of issues I happen to be versed in or have experience with. - You’ll notice that a good many regulars here, as well as on RedState, are unquestioned experts on all issues wink

Honest to God truth.  My same points of view are thought to be quasi-socialist on RedState.  Here I am a Neo-Con.  It’s quite fascinating.  These polar extremes in the minority.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 14, 2010 at 6:07 pm Link to this comment

What is the place where you can “get things done” GRYM? Why are you here then? To help us? Good.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment

Rico, we often disagree and will likely again on certain aspects of this subject.  We may agree on one thing, however.

Do you too see how most addressing you on this subject are not actually “hearing” you? Most have misunderstood you completely and ingested all that information into something of fact. It’s an interesting phenomena in this digital age.

Some of these people sincerely believe in an entirely different context.  A beginning point, if you will.  Normal human interaction on a globe of differing aspirations and goals. We can even celebrate it.

A few of these individuals, as can be expected, are unable to imagine, even for a moment, other points of view.  So confident in their Truth.  To a handful of these people you are either insane, stupid, or an altogether bad or dangerous person.  To be ridiculed and despised.  You are, quite literally, a lessor human being. The irony is in how they will refer to themselves as being enlightened, compassionate, all inclusive and accepting of others.  Interesting, yes?

The point is to make peace and get things done.  Correct?

We can feel comforted in that this Web space is not the norm of daily human interaction.  This place is not the world wherein people get things done. wink

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By jjean gerard, September 14, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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Oncemore, with feeling: Why doesn’t it automatically occur to everyone that, as long as suspicion, fear and accusations can be focused on this or that group within American society, people who (for many reasons) are easily led into fear of others can easily overlook more likely offenders such as corporate manipulators of news, policy and government ruining people’s lives from behind the screen of “business as usual” or “patriotism” or some other empty glorified cliche. Why don’t they pick on the military-industrial complex? Because it’s more fun to pick on racial minorities?  More effective in stirring up a media bonfire of the vanities?  Because you can count on the fickle media to help you make a louder public noise?  Because you are too naive to understand the real causes?  Or because you don’t want to know who the real manipulators of fear and hate are, and what they are hoping to destroy?

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By jjean gerard, September 14, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment
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Oncemore, with feeling: Why doesn’t it automatically occur to everyone that, as long as suspicion, fear and accusations can be focused on this or that group within American society, people who (for many reasons) are easily led into fear of others can easily overlook more likely offenders such as corporate manipulators of news, policy and government ruining people’s lives from behind the screen of “business as usual” or “patriotism” or some other empty glorified cliche. Why don’t they pick on the military-industrial complex? Because it’s more fun to pick on racial minorities?  More effective in stirring up a media bonfire of the vanities?  Because you can count on the fickle media to help you make a louder public noise?  Because you are too naive to understand the real causes?  Or because you don’t want to know who the real manipulators of fear and hate are, and what they are hoping to destroy?

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By JDmysticDJ, September 14, 2010 at 3:50 pm Link to this comment

Rico Suave Asks,

“I’ll ask you again- “Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.”

Definitions for remotely (adv)

3. Faint; slight: a remote possibility; had not the remotest interest.
4. Far removed in connection or relevance: a cause remote from everyday concerns.

Definition of Hatred


Intense animosity or hostility.

Rico Suave comments,

“…only a third believe that Islam encourages violence, in the face of the incontrovertible fact that it clearly does”


Definition of BLATANT

: completely obvious, conspicuous, or obtrusive especially in a crass or offensive manner : BRAZEN <blatant disregard for.

Seeing as how you are a person suspected of being of Cuban descent, I would think you would be more sensitive to bigotry, especially of the blatant kind.

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By Arraya, September 14, 2010 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

<blockquote>Another classic contradiction by the dingbat crew:  1993 was so
inept it didn’t bring down the towers, but 2001 was orchestrated by the same
people….Huh?????????????<blockquote>

I have no opinion on 93 and I don’t really care.  But it’s pretty obvious parties
within our government should be suspect for very obvious reasons.  911 was
hugely profitable and a psychological pretext for a pre-planned global
mobilization effort that was put into motion the next day.  If it there was not
complicity—it was like christmas morning for some people.  With the
tremendous amount of foreknowledge and squashed investigations(5) with low
level whistleblowers.  There certainly is enough for a rational person to be
suspicious.  It’s usually emotion, not logic, that compels people to look away.

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By Arraya, September 14, 2010 at 2:06 pm Link to this comment

</blockquote>Iran Ayatollahs Issue Fatwas Against Koran-
Burners<blockquote>

They ordered it against nuclear weapons as well and nobody took it seriously

nemesis2010, dude

I am outraged!! OMG OMG OMG


Do you want for Racheal Maddow to declare a fatwa on him


Should we have congress pass a statement condemning his condemnation and
send it to him in a letter written on the back of Koran

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By Inherit The Wind, September 14, 2010 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Talk about caught in the middle!

On the one side we have Nem, GRYM, and Rico defending the absurd hateful contentions of the Islamophobes that thrive on Faux Noise.

On the other we have conspiracy dingbats like Maani who now insists that the “Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight” WTC bombing of 1993 was really a gummint Black Op.  As if such an incompetent and inept bunch of bunglers was their real intent.

Another classic contradiction by the dingbat crew:  1993 was so inept it didn’t bring down the towers, but 2001 was orchestrated by the same people….Huh?????????????

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By Inherit The Wind, September 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

ico, suave, September 14 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

ITW:

I’ll ask you again- “Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.”
*********************

I already did, well before you asked the first time:

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only a third believe that Islam encourages violence, in the face of the incontrovertible fact that it clearly does
*********************

That’s about as vile as saying “All Jews are crooks, out to rob decent people”.  And just as false.

If you can’t recognize the hatefulness of such a statement, the problem lies with you, because I can assure you everyone but GRYM and “Die Hard” Wannabe will agree with me (and maybe, if he’s having a good day, GRYM will, too.  Wannabe’s hopeless). 

But Rico, I actually think you are better than that.  And that when confronted with facts, you’ll see that, too.

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By Big B, September 14, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, I went to work..

ahh, the oldest of conservative axioms (as spouted daily by the likes of Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al) I can say racist things, make racist insinuations, covort with racist individuals, go to a racist church, work for a racist company, but by god, I myself am no racist.

I used to tell my son that, while not always fair, you will be judged by the actions and words of the people that you surround yourself with.

Don’t kid youselves folks. The tea party republicans (and have no delusions, they are republicans) are just better financed old school Goldwater John Birchers.

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By diamond, September 14, 2010 at 1:41 pm Link to this comment

How much time have you got, Rico?

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By diamond, September 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

There must be something wrong with your keyboard Nemesis: why can’t you type the word ‘Christian’? Calling Christians ‘cristers’ as if they’re some form of crunchy snack food is almost as offensive as calling Muslims ‘ragheads’ or ‘sand niggers’ -as I’m sure you do.

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By Night-Gaunt, September 14, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Compare what they’ve done to the what the Christian extemists have done from the USA. No one is making friends with the terrorists. But every time the USA kills another innocent in their own country they make another freedom fighter to kill more of us. You must kill innocents to make more enemies. When they do it, when we do it. The difference is the USA is a hugely powerful country and no other will run against us, and the UN is supine against the monster that is the USA.

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By nemesis2010, September 14, 2010 at 12:49 pm Link to this comment

Islamophia is a term created by the cowering and Muslim vote panderers of the American left. To deny what the adherents of Islam have wrought upon the world since at least the early 1970s is to deny the truth. Islamists are the lefts new sacred cow of which no truth can be spoken.

The president and the Secretary of State found the time to criticize 50 crister congregants in Florida—during historical economic crisis—but nary a word about the insane over-reaction by the practitioners of peace in Afghanistan.

Why is there no outrage being expressed by the cowering and pandering left with respect to idiot ayatollahs issuing a fatwa against Koran burners? Where’s your outrage you hypocrites? Where’s Lady Hillary on this latest of Islamist insane overreaction to a non-event? Where’s the president? They cannot speak out about Islamists’ excesses while pandering for Muslim votes because they fear a republican onslaught in November.

Iran Ayatollahs Issue Fatwas Against Koran-Burners
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-13/iran-ayatollahs-issue-fatwas-against-koran-burners.html

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By Maani, September 14, 2010 at 12:48 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt:

“‘Manifest Destiny’ was a religiously based economic ploy to remove the Natives and fill it with Americans. Christianity did move many in the USA during its formation, especially concerning use of slaves and converting and removing non-whites from ‘their’ lands as ordained by their god. It was definitely Christian in its character.”

As I noted, Christianity played its part, but it was not the driving force - especially with respect to the genocide that developed.  It was primarily a land grab for economic and growth purposes, and the genocide came out of the “need” for more and more land for American (that is, white) economic growth:

“Manifest Destiny was the 19th century American belief that the United States was destined to expand across the North American continent, from the Atlantic seaboard to the Pacific Ocean. It was used by Democrats in the 1840s to justify the war with Mexico; the concept was denounced by Whigs, and fell into disuse after the mid 1850s.

“The term, which first appeared in print in 1839, was used in 1845 by a New York journalist, John L. O’Sullivan, to call for the annexation of Texas.  It was primarily used by Democrats to support the expansion plans of the Polk Administration, but opposed by Whigs who wanted to deepen the economy rather than broaden its expanse. It fell out of favor by 1860.

“Manifest Destiny was always a general notion rather than a specific policy.

“Manifest Destiny had serious consequences for Native Americans, since continental expansion implicitly meant the occupation and annexation of Native American land. The United States continued the European practice of recognizing only limited land rights of indigenous peoples. In a policy formulated largely by Henry Knox, Secretary of War in the Washington Administration, the U.S. government sought to expand into the west through the legal purchase of Native American land in treaties. Indians were encouraged to sell their vast tribal lands and become “civilized”, which meant (among other things) for Native American men to abandon hunting and become farmers, and for their society to reorganize around the family unit rather than the clan or tribe. The United States therefore acquired lands by treaty from Indian nations, usually under circumstances which suggest a lack of voluntary and knowing consent by the native signers.

“Advocates of civilization programs believed that the process of settling native tribes would greatly reduce the amount of land needed by the Native Americans, making more land available for homesteading by white Americans.  Thomas Jefferson believed that while American Indians were the intellectual equals of whites, they had to live like the whites or inevitably be pushed aside by them.  Jefferson’s belief, rooted in Enlightenment thinking, that whites and Native Americans would merge to create a single nation did not last his lifetime, and he began to believe that the natives should emigrate across the Mississippi River and maintain a separate society, an idea made possible by the Louisiana Purchase of 1803.

“In the age of Manifest Destiny, this idea, which came to be known as “Indian Removal,” gained ground. Although some humanitarian advocates of removal believed that American Indians would be better off moving away from whites, an increasing number of Americans regarded the natives as nothing more than savages who stood in the way of American expansion.”

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By Night-Gaunt, September 14, 2010 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

How many Islamic nations are invading Christian ones at this time rico suave? How many predominately Christian countries are invading Islamic ones? USA (with a few others) in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, with feelers in S. Somalia, Yemen and Iran. Plus bases in over 100 countries. Who likes armed foreigners in their land?


Also at ground zero there had been two mosques in the World Trade center towers. (Along with other religions) We are speaking of a Cultural Center, not a mosque. So please get the facts correct.

“Manifest Destiny” was a religiously based economic ploy to remove the Natives and fill it with Americans. Christianity did move many in the USA during its formation, especially concerning use of slaves and converting and removing non-whites from “their” lands as ordained by their god. It was definitely Christian in its character.

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By Maani, September 14, 2010 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Rico:

“Show me where I said EVERYTHING malicious that was done in the last 18 (OK 17) years was committed by Muslims in the name of Islam.”

I did not suggest that you did.  You are being oversensitive and paranoid.

I asked: “What “deadly mischief” have Muslims perpetrated in the U.S. since 1992?” You responded:

“Is that some kind of a trick question? OK, I’ll bite: 9/11, the shoe bomber, the panty bomber, Maj Hassan, the Times Square bomber, USS Cole. What have I missed?”

Let’s look at this list.  And keep in mind that you said “in this country,” meaning the U.S.  Thus, we can immediately eliminate the shoe bomber and the USS Cole, since neither occurred in this country.  That leaves us with 9/11, panty bomber, Major Hasan, and the TS bomber.

Set aside 9/11 for a second (I’ll get to it).  Although Major Hasan did kill 13 and wound 30 others, neither the panty bomber nor the TS bomber caused any injuries whatsoever.  Thus, in light of the list I provided of NON-Muslim “mischief” - which killed dozens more than all of these three Muslim-related incidents put together - I would suggest that you are profiling in a rather obnoxious fashion.

Re 9/11, I assume you drank the Kool-Aid and believe the “official story” down to its last hopelessly whitewashed, phony, insupportable claim.  If so, there is little I can say.  But for those of us who know that the “official story” is a lie, we also know that it was not 19 Saudi and Egyptian guys with boxcutters, working for OBL, who were responsible for the deaths of almost 3,000 Americans.  So I do not include 9/11 in the “mischief” you cite.

This essentially leaves you with nothing.  Nice try.

Peace.

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By prole, September 14, 2010 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

“I find it disgusting that supporters of Israel would”…be supporters of Israel. It’s even more infamous that supporters of Israel would take part in the unspeakable massacre in Gaza last year or shil for it like zionist publicist Boyarsky. Such unbounded hypocrisy is beyond disgust. The deceitful Boyarsky posing as a defender of Muslims or a foe of Muslim bigotry in Amerika, but not a word of censure about the institutional and social stigmatization of Palestinians – Muslims and Christians alike – by his ethnocentric Jewish State.
  At the same time that the bellicose Boyarsky was cheering on the IDF wehrmacht in Gaza, Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) of the Greater Los Angeles Area commented in a media interview: 
“This is an illegal bombardment by Israel. It is barbaric and it’s even more barbaric that it’s being done by the Bush Administration.”  And fully supported by the barbaric Boyarsky. And Ayloush added, “There’s no doubt that Israel’s propaganda machine is working by blaming the victims.Gaza’s people are prisoners in their own land. We depend on the help of the American people.” But no help from Israel propagandist Boyarsky. In another post at the same time, Ayloush remarked, “The zionist propaganda machine has succeeded in dehumanizing Palestinians. Palestinians are portrayed as terrorists, murderers, radicals, or sub-humans. That way, it becomes much easier not to care about such a people, no matter how many of them are turned into refugees, how many of their homes are demolished, how much of their land is confiscated, how many of them are imprisoned, and how many of them are killed or wounded.” Exactly the portrait proffered by Gaza massacre apologist Boyarsky.
  Perhaps Boyarsky should have rose early on Sat., Dec. 27, 2008 to watch the Amerikan-supplied IDF warplanes hit Gaza. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZaG96pnnEQ). Maybe Boyarsky’s eager students could examine the impact of that attack on a minority community in the Bay Area. Maybe one could choose “the Japanese-American community, whose members had been herded into prison camps” “That, we all knew, [is] the most apt comparison”…even though they haven’t remained imprisoned indefinitely or tortured like Palestinians living under Israeli occupation.
  “Meanwhile, fear subsided”…in Amerika but not in Gaza where fear still drives Muslim men, women and children to band together for protection from illegal Jewish settlers and their army. The “craziness” in the Occupied Territories started long ago and continues to the present moment, worse than ever, with the phoney Boyarsky’s cheerful assent. “Someone has to fan the bigotry”…and the bombastic Boyarsky jumped at the chance during the Gaza terror. “The ‘he said, she said’ conventions of traditional journalism require that one statement be balanced by another, no matter how loony. As a result”….Boyarsky and other zionist militants were able to endorse Israel’s bloodbath in Gaza, even as all reputable human rights proponents were condemning it.
  “Today”, Hamas and Gazans, “are covered as if they were ‘the other,’ a subset outside American life. Why don’t mainstream reporters learn about the” Gazan “community and report on the daily lives of men, women and young people?  Bully Boyarsky’s mis-taught students probably never will but “it’s hard to believe that the traditional media couldn’t do” so.

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

You answered it , they are STUPID SHITS…........


and I bet a whole lot of people living in the Mid-East

have

C H R I S T I P H O B I A….........and if they don’t

they should.

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By ThatDeborahGirl, September 14, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

From the Article: Most Americans don’t realize what it is to be a targeted minority. The overwhelming majority of Americans don’t know what it is to be a victim of hate crimes.”

OK. I am so sick of this shit and it needs to stop now!

Can we PLEASE stop using the word “Americans” as if it is a part and parcel synonymous euphemism for “White People”. Or can we at least stop pretending that we don’t know that when people say “American” they mean “white”.

Even in context, this stupid sentence does not make sense. As if those “Americans” who DO know what it feels like to be a targeted majority aren’t really Americans at all.

Do white people even think before they write stupid, stupid shit like this?

I wouldn’t both pointing it out but this article is about default bigotry. Uh, so I think default bigotry should not be a part of the article!

/rant

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By Arraya, September 14, 2010 at 10:04 am Link to this comment

Frankly, I’m amazed at the Muslims worlds restraint after the decades of
overthrowing governments and killing and displacing millions.  The CIA has an
interesting word for terrorism, they call it “blowback”.  Propagandists call it
“hating us for our freedoms”

A statistical analysis of all suicide bombings from 1980 to today shows it has
nothing to do with religion.  It’s for secular goals. 

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Dying-Win-Strategic-Suicide-
Terrorism/dp/1400063175

Which makes sense because:

http://www.juancole.com/2010/09/top-ways-911-broke-islamic-law.html
</blockquote>1. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people.
The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become
distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256). Note that this verse was revealed in
Medina and was never abrogated by any other verse of the Quran. Islam’s holy
book forbids coercing people into adopting any religion. They have to willingly
choose it.

2. Islamic law forbids aggressive warfare. The Quran says, “But if the enemies
incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For
He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The
Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against
you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

3. In Islamic war, not just any civil engineer can declare or launch a war. It is the
prerogative of the duly constituted leader of the Muslim community that
engages in the war. Nowadays that would be the president or prime minister of
the state.

4. The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni
tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his
armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or
the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ”
(Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

5. Muslim commanders must give the enemy fair warning that war is imminent.
The Prophet Muhammad at one point gave 4 months notice. Sneak attacks are
forbidden.

The World Trade Center had a mosque in it, which Bin Laden destroyed, and he
killed dozens of innocent Muslims in the attack along with thousands of others.
All of this is an abomination in Islamic law.

By the laws of classical Islam and the instructions of the Quran, then, the
September 11 act of terrorism was illegal. It is not an affirmation of Islam but a
departure from its laws of war. That is why, contrary to popular belief, Muslim
authorities have roundly condemned al-Qaeda’s actions in no uncertain
terms.<blockquote>

Of course, we did our best to splice religion and politics in encouraging it to
fight off the Russians in Afghanistan.  Which is around the time that
“fundamentalism” showed up as we know it today.

Of course, top foreign policy makers understand this and encourage it for
population manipulative purposes and imperial aims.

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 10:00 am Link to this comment

Rico,  I haven’t told you one of my accomplishments

in a long time….......this accomplishment just

happened Sunday….................................

I am in my sixties….......I haven’t bought or drank
alcohol in a year….....................
my ex-wife asked me to come over sunday afternoon,
so to her regret , I did.
We stopped at a convienence to not far from where she
lives…I bought a quart of beer…quess what?
I GOT CARDED???????????
Do you know of anyone else in their sixties that has
been carded for age for alcohol????????????
And what an accomplishement that was…and have witnesses.

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By rico, suave, September 14, 2010 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Maani:

Show me where I said EVERYTHING malicious that was done in the last 18 (OK 17) years was committed by Muslims in the name of Islam.

“What “deadly mischief” have Muslims perpetrated in the U.S. since 1992?” Is that some kind of a trick question?

OK, I’ll bite: 9/11, the shoe bomber, the panty bomber, Maj Hassan, the Times Square bomber, USS Cole. What have I missed?

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By Maani, September 14, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Rico:

“As I tried to say before, I am amazed that ONLY 49 % of Americans hold an unfavorable view of Islam after all of the deadly mischief committed IN ITS NAME over the last 18 years in this country.”

Uh…excuse me?  What happened in 1992 that was the “launch” of “deadly mischief?” (Or do you mean 1993, with the first WTC bombing?  More on that in a moment.)

You mean Waco?  Nope, no Muslims there.  How about the Oklahoma City bombing?  Nope, no Muslims there either.  How about the anthrax attacks?  Sorry, Charlie, no Muslims there either.  The guy who flew the plane into the IRS building in Dallas?  Not a Muslim.  The Virginia Tech massacre?  Nope, a non-Muslim Asian.  I could go on, but you get the point.

As for the 1993 WTC bombing, that has long been known to be an FBI-coordinated operation.  That news even appeared on the front page of The New York Times, not exactly a “conspiracy-minded” newspaper.

So what, exactly, are you referring to?  What “deadly mischief” have Muslims perpetrated in the U.S. since 1992?

Do you and I actually live on the same planet?

Peace.  (Or whatever you believe in in your parallel universe…)

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By rico, suave, September 14, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

ITW:

I’ll ask you again- “Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.”

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By Inherit The Wind, September 14, 2010 at 8:06 am Link to this comment

Spreading lies about me again, GRYM?

I guess the ends (A GOP dominated dictatorship) justifies the means (saying ANYTHING you think can damage another’s reputation, whether true or not, but BETTER if it’s not true but believed).

I sometimes wonder how you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror.

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By Pokemon, September 14, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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“Today, Muslims are covered as if they were “the other,” a subset outside
American life.”

So I’ve been listening to this CIA-sponsored anti-Muslim media operation
these past couple weeks, listening to respectable journalists and commentators
give press to hatred, waiting for somebody to bring a sense of history to the
“debate.”  It hasn’t really happened yet.

Yesterday I did an experiment.  I searched Google News for articles containing
the word “Muslim” appearing between 1960 and 1975.  My suspicions were
confirmed.  Out of the first 100 results, there was maybe two stories about the
middle east.  Almost everything else was about black Muslim radicals in the
US.  Of course, blacks weren’t the only radicals in the 60’s—though they were
easier to vilify than the hippies.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?
as_q=muslim&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Search+Archives&as;_epq=&as;_oq=&as;_
eq=&as_user_ldate=1960&as_user_hdate=1975&lr;=&as;_src=&as_price=p0&as;
_scoring=a

Now I do wonder about all those baby boomers out there who grew up
associating “Muslim” with “black” in the context of a political struggle fraught
with violence and assassinations.  Given the role conditioned response has
played in the “debate” over the “911 Mosque”—arguably a stronger role than
anything else in stirring up contention—I think it is worth considering this
aspect of the historical context that underlies the current hate orgy.

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By rico, suave, September 14, 2010 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

As I tried to say before, I am amazed that ONLY 49 % of Americans hold an unfavorable view of Islam after all of the deadly mischief committed IN ITS NAME over the last 18 years in this country.

Instead of clinging desperately to the otherworldly belief that all Americans are mouth breathing Islamophobes, the apologists should be relieved that the number is so low, and the “favorable view” number (37%) is so high. This suggests to me a tolerance in this country that goes well beyond what could be expected under the circumstances, and which would NEVER be displayed in a Muslim country toward the US, Jews or Christians.

To say that the existence of synagogues and churches in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries is evidence that Jews and Christians are treated as equals is patently absurd. There are Muslim members of the Israeli Knesset, and no one on the left would use that as evidence that Israeli Muslims are treated as equals there.

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By ofersince72, September 14, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

Let me be the one to tell you AAALLL AAALLLL

This last couple months speaking of TOLERANCE and

NON-TOLERANCE…...is brought to you by your friends,

the CIA…......to keep you talking non-sense…

Making YOU believe they have tolerance as they prepare to
attack IRAN.

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By Go Right Young Man, September 14, 2010 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

Rico,

ITW clearly has no authentic voice to speak out against bigotry.  Not when he simultaneously attacks, with boisterous venom and unadulterated hatred, everyone who thinks unlike himself.  Not after the vile and putrid attacks on all things Sarah Palin - simply for looking, believing and speaking differently than himself.  Not when he attack as a whole large groups of people as being lesser human beings.

ITW, consciously and with forethought, spreads hatred and fear while condemning others for spreading hatred and fear.  You have also seen for yourself how he will create, or recreate if you will, your words and make them completely unrecognizable.

It may aid your understanding if you yourself understand that this individual is incapable of arguing against your point of view.  He can only argue against his perceptions of your point of view.  He will not see your words until he addresses his hatred of you.  It’s deeply disturbing and profoundly sad.

-

Let’s see if I understand this Boyarsky foolishness.

After 2002, after two dozen arrests in the United States, after the panty bomber, after Maj. Hassan, after the New York bomber, all in the name of Islam, American’s unfavorable view of Islam has been peeked?  And this is labeled “Islamophobia”?

This article is evidence of how “Leftism”, at its heart, holds that a small percentage of humans have a vastly superior understanding of everything compared to ordinary people.

Bigotry

1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one’s own.
2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

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By Jim Yell, September 14, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment
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With the intrusion of fundamentalist Christianity in the United States, it is awkward at times to talk about other religions short comings, but as an American with generations of History to the beginning of this country, I believe I have a right to have an opinion.

First of all in any group of people there are good people, but sometimes the goodness is not consistent. That is surely part of the human condition.

It is not just freedom to believe or not to believe, but the core of granting this to others that ismost important. And, Yet, How can we allow large groups of people to become citizens, who by their own voice believe that they are so right and correct that they can use the government to force their beliefs on to others, in other words they do not believe in the “Bill of Rights”. Of course, the sad thing is many people who have grown up in our system seem focused on destroying the “Bill of Rights” in order to force their beliefs on others, and yet they have enjoyed the protections of the “Bill of Rights” for generations.

Saying this what are we to do with Islam. A religion that dismisses their female members as mere property of men, an outrage that we have largely but not completly abandoned in this country.

I was dismayed to find that Jews in Britain had been given right to have their own courts in some situations, no citizens should be excluded from Civil Laws and enforcement and now with this as an example, when Islam says they should have their own courts, excluding themselves from European Countries they live in, what can be said of this? It is wrong.

I have yet to see a moderate movement in Islam. We have none issues that in Islam are raised into major problems all because they believe they can dictate to non Moslems. So I think it isn’t hateful to question why would we want Islam in America?

And, a final observation “Why does Islam get a pass in the matter of slavery?” Islam was largely involved in Black African Slavery for centuries before Europeans began to use forced labor, beyond their own imposed upon serfs and Islam has kept Black African Slavery and General Slavery in practice right into the modern times. As far as their supposed embrace of Africans, in truth that is only in regard to Moslem blacks, for Blacks who continue to worship the Gods of Black Africa they have little more compassion that Eurpeans did in the 19th century and in addition many crimes have been committed in Africa against Africans who practice Christianity.

So remember that when you get tempted to grant victimhood to Islam. The thing they are really pissed at is they were bested in their own bully arena and largely because of the very rigid codes they live under, but don’t necessarily obey.

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By rico, suave, September 14, 2010 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

ITW:

“Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.”

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By Inherit The Wind, September 14, 2010 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

EVERY minority in America needs to rise to the defense of the one “in fashion” to attack currently: Muslims.

Violence and discrimination and “dehumanization” have been perpetrated by those that thrive on the fear of others throughout human history, but more relevantly, throughout AMERICAN history. Black, Nisei, Native Americans, Hispanics, Communists/Socialists, Gays and Jews have ALL been victims of the hate and fear-mongering that Muslims, particularly our fellow Americans, are being subjected to.

When Rico writes that
“Only a third believe that Islam encourages violence, in the face of the incontrovertible fact that it clearly does. These should be a very welcome set of statistics. Instead they are greeted with foreboding.” which is clearly false—as I’ve shown again and again—and then says, outlandishly, 
“Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.” I am greatly disappointed as I thought he had a better respect for facts than that.  But he is far too typical.

As a Jew, who in MY lifetime has been subjected to bigotry and physical attacks, I cannot HELP but empathize with Americans who are Muslim in their fear and anxiety.  The growing organized attacks via the public airwaves and MSM on Muslims are too reminiscent of the attacks on “Reds” in the 50’s, Nisei in the 40’s, and Jews in the 30’s, ie in the memories of people still living from my parents’ generation, to be ignored, discounted or pooh-poohed.

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By Dar, September 13, 2010 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment
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Islamophobia is really a Jewish Zionist-created and maintained phenomenon.
Look at the leading Islamophobes: 95% are Jewish Zionist.

It’s silly to ignore this glaring fact.

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By Maani, September 13, 2010 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Sinbad:

How right you are.  Dr. Lawrence Britt’s “14 Characteristics of Facsism,” #3: “Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause.”

Don:

Thank you for pointing out that the OT has as much or more violence against the innocent in the name of YHWY as does the Qur’an.  I actually make this point in some of my sermons.

As for “loving your enemy,” there is no room for any interpretation here, since it was neither allegory nor “mystery.”  It was, in a very real sense, a “command”; Jesus did not provide exceptions or “outs.”  We are “commanded” to love our enemies as ourselves.

BB:

Your insinuation that Christianity was responsible for the genocide of the Native Americans is not historically correct.  Although Christianity played its part, it was not the larger one.  “Manifest Destiny” was an economic policy, not a religious one.

As for slavery, again, your insinuation is not fully correct.  First, those who were providing the slaves in the first place (i.e., in Africa et al), were not all Christians.  Some were, but some were Muslim and most were pagan (or professed local belief systems).  Second, although many early Americans were indeed Christians, many - perhaps half or more - were deists or theists (including the vast majority of our “Founding Fathers”).  Finally, while it is true that Christanity played its part in the acceptance and maintaining of slavery, it was also Christianity that ended it: the abolitionists in the South were ALL Christians, while the abolitionists in the North were a combination of Christians, Quakers, and other Protestants.

Peace.

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By gerard, September 13, 2010 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Why doesn’t it automatically occur to everyone that, as long as suspicion, fear and accusations can be focused on this or that group within American society, people who (for many reasons) are easily led into fear of others can easily overlookc more likely offenders such as corporate manipulators of news, policy and government ruining people’s lives from behind the screen of “business as usual” or “patriotism” or some other rmpyy glorified cliche.

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By RayLan, September 13, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

American culture is a culture of low class hebes with no class with more or less money. Money is the only distinction. It’s not suprising therefore that crass stupity prevails.

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By rico, suave, September 13, 2010 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

eir:

“The muslims of the world need to associate America with that pea patch preacher and believe that every American wants to wipe them out.”

Brilliant.

“Why is this conflict being nurtured?”

You answer your own question asshole.

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By rico, suave, September 13, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Big B:

Show me one statement of mine anywhere which can be remotely considered to display a “hatred” of Muslims.

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By eir, September 13, 2010 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

We are watching the oligarchs / media nurturing this specific hatred.  The vast majority of Americans have no real interest in some pea patch preacher from Florida.  That’s a problem.  They need to be told over and over that this is a terrible crisis, that our way of life is under attack. The muslims of the world need to associate America with that pea patch preacher and believe that every American wants to wipe them out.

This longed for conflict is not in the interest of the vast majority of Americans or Muslims.  Why is this conflict being nurtured? 

Something wicked this way comes from despicable cowards who feed on the blood of corpses.

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By Don Stivers, September 13, 2010 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

I’m surprised that the American citizenry do not admit to the commanded slaughter of men, women AND children that is found in the Bible.  Oh yes!  The commanded killers could keep the virgin girls for themselves.

So, lets just lower ourselves to the level of destroying anything and anybody before they destroy us.  Guilty or not.  Let’s ALL be AFRAID!  I’m going to coware in a corner and load my gun. 

Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Muhammad Ali, Javad Ashjaee (Iranian who brought GPS to the ordinary citizen.  Parsi name but not known if he is Muslim).  These are people I am going to cowar from.  They are very scary people.  I shiver to think…..

Does anybody know that REAL Muslims don’t charge interest on loaned money?  Out Bible says not to, but look at us, our Congress allows over 20 percent.

I’m going to avoid going to the store, or airport, or bus station, or shopping mall…there might be a Muslim there.

Just remember, our own Bible commands the slaughter of infidels (someone not circumcised).  Any Christians out there disagree?  Go to Numbers and read along!  Numbers 31-18.

And then ask yourself what did Christ mean when he said love your enemy and turn the other cheek?

I don’t know either but BOTH sides can point fingers.

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By Arabian Sinbad, September 13, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Big B for calling a spade a spade and describing the evil rico suave as the racist scum that he is!

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By Big B, September 13, 2010 at 6:13 pm Link to this comment

rico, suave

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Just because you perseive that some people in a group hate you, so you must in turn hate all of them. What childish drivel.

I saw on the news that a black man robbed a white guy today, so I now want all blacks in prison. A jewish guy runs Goldman Saks and his bank ripped off a bunch of old white people, so all jews should be gassed?

Who’s religion whiped out the native americans, enslaved africans, and yes, killed muslims on more than one occasion. I would say some muslims are following the christian golden rule to a T.

If you want to hate terrorists who do bad things, that’s understandable. But if you hate their families, their faith, and their creed, than you are the worst kind of racist scum.

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By Arabian Sinbad, September 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Two points:

1. People with short historical memory or no memory at all forget that the bigotry and hate-mongering in America in plain twenty-first century is reminiscent of what happened in Germany in the 1930’s, where the campaign against Jews started with hate speech and incitement against Jews, and culminated in the very celebrated Holocaust! No wonder that the (bastard) Terry Jones is a newcomer from the land of Nazism who upon being rejected by his congregation, including his daughter, in Germany, and ended in sad America.

2. As the Muslims in America are subjected to all this evil bigotry and hate-mongering, Saudi Arabia, supposedly the central symbol of Islam, announces that it will come to the aid of America by purchasing some 60 billion war-hardware from America. I am perplexed as to what to make out of this, except that it might be a preparation to involve Saudi Arabia in a future war against Iran!

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By PhLip, September 13, 2010 at 5:52 pm Link to this comment
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The biggest tragedy here is that “Religion” is being USED.
Fox News is setting off a time bomb that will, in the end, ricochet back at
them 10-fold.

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By Sibley Pond, September 13, 2010 at 4:42 pm Link to this comment
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On Saturday, in an interview one of those opposing
the proposed Islamic cultural center wondered what
the reaction in Saudi Arabia would be if construction
of a Roman Catholic Church were to be proposed in
Mecca. Now we have rico,suave in a preceding comment
complaining in the same vein. He’s not alone by a
long shot, but I don’t get this business of throwing
us in the pot with a batch of one-party dictatorships
and official or unofficial theocracies to see who
rises to the top as the most tolerant? Shouldn’t we
be measuring our performance by our own
constitutional rights and standards, the very
attributes we brag about? There’s not a damned thing
we can do about Saudi Arabian, Iranian or any other
behavior about such things, but we ought to be able
to correct our own nastiness, hadn’t we?
Our own history in these sorts of issues teaches us
that things will get nastier before they slacken. We
ought to take to heart Lincoln’s advice about
appealing to the better angels of our nature.

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By rico, suave, September 13, 2010 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

“A Washington Post-ABC News poll indicates his impressions may be correct. Forty-nine percent of those surveyed held an unfavorable view of Islam, compared with 37 percent with a favorable view.”

I would love to see a poll of Saudis, Egyptians, Iranians, etc that showed ONLY a 49%/37% unfavorable/favorable view of Judaism or Christianity.

Less than half of Americans, which, to hear progressives tell it, is a hotbed of wacko rightwing Christian bigots, have an unfavorable view of Islam, and well over a third have a favorable view. Only a third believe that Islam encourages violence, in the face of the incontrovertible fact that it clearly does. These should be a very welcome set of statistics. Instead they are greeted with foreboding.

What a load of crap.

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