MY TAKE STOP THE MADNESS

The Criminal Justice system today in America falls way down on the ladder of doing what should be done to protect us from the lawless.

The one stop cure for all of the woes that is laid on the Criminal Justice System is Simple Simon Simple.  While we down here in Texas led by a sure enough renegade part of the BUSH BUNCH THUGS GOVERNOR—- we are paying higher taxes that just get flushed down the throats of those many tied into that evil horrid system to make profits off others sufferings.  HELLO can that be right Dwight? Well it is more than obvious to most today that have a brain.

I will not restate the present horrible state that all the jails and prisons are in——-but just go on to lay out a simple plan that will work.

Many reading do not have a clue how the Criminal Justice System works.  Here goes:
1.  If one is charged with a felony crime their case must go before a grand jury.
2.  Then it is left up to the Grand Jury to proceed with prosecution or not.

NOW LET US JUST STOP RIGHT THERE.

1.  Make it law that all charged with felony crimes be tested by a MD Psychiatrist in the day long testing that identifies who that person is.  And then a short maybe 15 to 20 minute meeting with the MD Psychiatrist for his/her overall purview review and interview with that client.
2.  Now go back up to the Grand Jury stage and let us just for example plug in the MD Psychiatrist opinions for the DA prosecutors to know first hand the kind of person they are charge with to bring about sentence for the crime committed.

NOW LET US TRY TO REASON TOGETHER

1.  The most insidious lawless folks around today are the sociopaths. They have most of the games in life figured out where their cons are run on everyone.  They see all of us in a civil society just ones at their disposal to take and never give back, and that can be a minor theft to grand larceny to physical abuse, to killing.  Those are the folks that once in our custody we need to keep as long as the laws allows.
2.  All others charged with felony crimes must be looked at through another lens.  We should insist the shortest sentence been levied against them, while they are learning how to get along with being lawful.
3.  Then returned back to society as quickly as possible to stay under a harder purview and review process by our parole board workers.

NOW FOLKS THAT IS THE SURE FIRED QUICK FIX to our broken down Criminal Justice System. 

Dwight Baker We The Peoples Advocacy WTPA
Co founder Bondservants of Christ Jesus Ministries work here in the USA and the DR Congo
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YEP YOU SURE BE RIGHT ABOUT THEM CROOKS DOWN HAIR IN TEXAS

TO GET A CLEAR VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM

Many times offenders are sent to prison for crimes against the STATE.  Not against each other. My experience is that over 70% in prisons today throughout the USA are there for crimes against the STATE. IE:
1.  Drug violations
2.  DUI’s
3.  Public intoxication
4.  And the list goes on

Now MY TAKE on those whose crimes are against the STATE is making career offenders by shutting down those many folks growth in all acts of being a sane and sound human. Denying them the rights to life in all ways.  From sexual, proper rest, nutrition, proper redress to crimes commented against them from prison guards etc. to not having sufficient counsel to represent them in court.  For again many of those locked away for crimes committed against the STATE were represented by court appointed attorneys the worst of the worst scum sucking pigs in our society.

TO GET A CLEAR VIEW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM #2

To take another stance in defense of the many in prison today from crimes against the STATE.  In my opinion form study and hands on experience the many young men and women especially with children their growth in all areas needed for training of the super ego to have the power to rule over their out of sorts ego has NO way to be stimulated towards growth while held in the Criminal Justice System.

The crimes against them while in PRISON as just being human while in the hands of the STATE are the cruelest of cruel. And without going and visiting on visitors day and seeing the horrible situations those incarcerated feel and react too when holding their young or being overwhelmed with grief seeing their father mothers, brothers sisters, is a blow to anyone sane innate conscience.  And in many cases than NOT many needing mental heath diagnosis and care are sent to prison as the last resort for crimes committed against the STATE.  Sincere mental health care for our impoverished is a root cause why so many of our young are in prison today.  GOD FORBIDS. 

JOIN IN with your voice to be heard by becoming just one of the advocates for lucidity in human rights to be forced upon the Criminal Justice System to be done in your state. 

First learn the rights all of US in human need to be civil and respond too humane needs of others.  My suggestion is get a good book and study.  Try this one UNDERSTANDING PSYCHOLOGY by Robert S. Feldman ISBN 0-07-289146-7 you will find the book to be a great teaching guide loaded with good resource information for just day in and day out living.  Many of the myths that have been told will be dispelled and to that end growth for you and others around will become a matter of great debate, which is always needed.  Some one is going to take the lead why not it be you?

Textynn, April 11 at 5:51 pm #
response

YEP YOU SURE BE RIGHT #2

Example:

While deeply entrenched in the parole process in Texas for one of our group, Texas parole made many errors that they were unwilling to admit. Thus with the proof of one being informed giant strides were made in the barrage of letters, faxes in defense of loved one and in doing many of the BIG BOSSES we got their attention and even some in the Political realm here to get to the bottom and get things fixed. It worked and they regressed and did it again and parole was granted as should have been all along. IN Another case where cruel mental heath practices were done again the sword of justice was lunged at the Criminal Justice Division and at the end many were fired or moved and the hate, scorn grief of those in the unit were finally brought to a halt.

Now for a couple of good quote from the past but sure belongs in this forum for thought

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong, which will be imposed on them.

I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.

If there is no struggle, there is no progress.
By Fredrick Douglas 1818——- 1885

Last if you have time read Matthew Chapter 25

Dwight Baker Chairman of the Grass Roots Actions needed for
We The Peoples Advocacy WTPA
Co founder Bondservants of Christ Jesus Ministries serving the USA and the DR CONGO
Our prison ministry has the answers and we welcome your question
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It’s all about INCARCERATION, Baby, and BIZZNISS is GOOOOOOD!
The fight for the legalization of cannabis will be fought by those that have the most to lose from its being legal.  These are some of the richest people in the world. You know, Haliburton level rich.  In the Video The.Business.Behind.Getting.High learn just how lucrative it is to keep pot illegal.

Quotes from the movie: “We have seen an explosion in prison construction that lags only slightly in prison incarceration.’ “In the United States it’s one of the fastest growing industries.” “Major investment firms describe private prisons as one of the best investments you can make.” “Right now in the United States of America, the biggest growth industry is the privatized prison complex.”

The.Business.Behind.Getting.High
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1657827965975839596&hl=en

min. 1:15:35

In this country you can get rich by locking up people who smoke cannabis. The people doing this are the super rich and they control your government. Do you think they will allow their lifestyles to be changed by America’s belief that locking hundreds of thousands of people up and charging the taxpayers is wrong. No way. People will submit to this because the “Have-Mores” like it that way and that’s all that matters.

Sen. Jim Webb said “America’s prisons—both federal and state—are overflowing with prisoners. The United States has about 5 percent of the world’s population; we have about 25 percent of the world’s known prison population, Something, somewhere is seriously wrong.  There are only two possibilities here: either we have the most evil people on earth living in the United States; or we are doing something dramatically wrong in terms of how we approach the issue of criminal justice.”

(Webb Crime Bill Gets Unlikely Support
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=13645  )

Let’s see who stands up to keep imprisoning people at this rate for such a ridiculously useless reason.  Oh they will be indignant and righteous if they even have to go that far. Mostly they will just get their paid-for lawmakers to do their bidding with total indifference to the people’s wishes, the people they imprison and ruin, and the cost to the taxpayer. So far that’s exactly what we’ve gotten.

Should I point out I’ve seen more articles about legalization in the past few weeks than years. Forty years I fooled myself into believing there would be a rapid rational response to this lunacy opposing legalization, but the numbers behind me have swelled by a significant factor now.

I’m not giving up, but am I deluding myself by supposing legalization a possibility before I pull the dirt blanket over my head for good?

By richard kobzey, April 5 at 7:07 pm

Thanks, to you and jackpinesavage.

LEAP is definitely not a DEA trick.  I am a member.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/04/02/portugal/index.html

Portugal de-criminalized in 2001, and, it is apparently going very well.

Sorry if someone already posted this. The thread is too long to read entirely.

Everyone knows abnout the Netherlands. Actually, the only problem with it, is that the so-called Red District is inhabited mostly by USAns and other foreigners who still get a kick out of smoking pot in publc. In most of W. Europe it is not big deal, unless you try to cross borders with it.

Prostitiutiton is also regulated and lefgal. We could save so much money, disease, misery and help people with pain, if we would de-criminalize drugs as well as prostitution.

Neither one is going away, folks..

samosamo,

I don’t think that it is a trick.  LEAP seems to be way out in front all the time, possibly because they can speak on the issue without being branded “soft on crime”.

By radson, April 5 at 10:23 am

Thanks for the link, hope it isn’t some dea trick to start catching people. It is reasuring to know that there are those in law enforcement and other celebrities are calling for the legalization of drugs. As with the ‘war on terror’ the ‘war on drugs’ is ‘for profit’ motive driven disaster that is for the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many. Too bad also that our new president talked out of the side of his face by hinting at a decriminalization of at least marijuana then turned around and brushed it to the side. Maybe he will have another change back to decriminalizing or out and out legalizing it.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php

An interesting site that many TDers may find useful

Hey Dwight…  The only real way to hurt the cartels is to take away their source of income.  That is the black market.  Take away their black market.  The cartels disappear.  Understand?  Our prohibition policy has created the very bloody problem we now are facing.  Legalize marijuana immediately and 60% of the money now going to the cartels comes back from the underground.  Let’s start with that.  Legalize marijuana immediately!

As long as you stand in favor of the drug cartels and for bloodshed instead of no bloodshed, nothing you say will make sense to me.

I do know that the word ‘idiot’ came from the Greek word for ‘layman’.  I can just imagine religious ringleaders laughing at the gullible pacified followers from whom they extract votes on oppressive and suppressive policies in exchange for a tax exemption deal with the government.  This is the real harlotry of your “Babylon”.  Enough with this diversionary religion talk, which you religious(invariably) prohibitionist people use to create strife where there is no strife.

The word Sorceries used there is defined in Greek as the word 5331 pharmakeia—- def magic medication witchcraft. [Good study in history will reveal that drugs and alcohol were used in the worship of idols—- but the essence of that worship was wild sexual un restrained in-human defiant and deviate induced and led by women who had been given mind altering drugs and alcohol.  In Rome about 200AD one of those pagan worships led to wild frenzied women killing then eating one of the nobles men——- then the Roman Government put a stop to it.

this maybe be the greatest thing i have ever learned on the internets.  it sounds like a great party.

RICHARD KOBZEY

The BEAST OF MEN are the GENTILE KINGS OF THE EARTH now why make something legal if the can get twice or three times the amount when it is illegal?

Not only that but like the mafia if all is underground then they can take out competition any time they want.

Does that make sense to you?

DWIGHT BAKER

Coffee and tea should be illegal, it probably would be if we could raise the tea plants and coffee beans ourselves.

If drugs are part of the plan to deceive people, then I would think that throughout “Babylon” all drugs would be legal.  Is anyone suggesting that the system now in place is a just and holy system that is under attack by “Babylon” and those who want cannabis legalized?  It seems that any attempts to use drugs for mind control come from legal pharmaceuticals.  Furthermore, if someone really wanted to take advantage of others they would serve them alcohol to shut their brains down - not weed to expand their thinking.  It appears to me that most of us here are not the ones protecting the real “Babylon”, which uses fear, force, prohibition and suppression to reign supreme against the appeals and grievances of democracy.

FOR THOSE WHO HAVE AN EAR TO HEAR AND LIKES TO STUDY AND READ

I have mentioned that education in history, philosophies and languages is needed for one to espouse to others their beliefs. Thus here is MY TAKE on the proliferation of drugs:

Revelations Chapter 18 Vs. 23

23:  And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee; for they merchants were the great men of the earth for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

The word Sorceries used there is defined in Greek as the word 5331 pharmakeia—- def magic medication witchcraft. [Good study in history will reveal that drugs and alcohol were used in the worship of idols—- but the essence of that worship was wild sexual un restrained in-human defiant and deviate induced and led by women who had been given mind altering drugs and alcohol.  In Rome about 200AD one of those pagan worships led to wild frenzied women killing then eating one of the nobles men——- then the Roman Government put a stop to it.

A FEW QUESTIONS TO GET YOU GOING

1.  Google Yale founder and who put up the bucks?
2.  Google Vietnam war = drug trade
3.  Google Afghanistan =drug trade
4.  Google India = drug trade

Now to continue that search begin to do the same but with names of countries and our people like

1.  Bush = drug trade
2.  Britain = drug trade
3.  Spain =drug trade
4.  Greece= drug trade

Now forget about all the sites that come up with hate for derision and talks of revolution look until you find real factual history then check those out with others to make sure the real facts are there.

RE: JFoster2k, April 3 at 4:39 pm #

“Early alcohol or tobbaco use have been causing developmental issue for centuries yet they are legal.”

How many people realize the ration of beer on the Mayflower per man, woman, AND CHILD was one gallon a day? (this doesn’t include the massive quantities of ‘hard’ liquer consumed liberally by early settlers). By your rationale this would imply we should have evolved into a society of addle-headed idiots, perhaps an arguable point considering the mental health of many Americans now LOL.

There is no rational explanation to opposition of legalization, but what we want & need is not what we get from the small minority of the so-called ‘elite’ drunk on money, power, control, and likely alcohol as their drug of choice.

All of you need to give DWIGHTBAKER a break. He was just regurgitating the medical profession’s legaleze about marijuana, and we know how accurate doctors have been about the ‘practice’ of medicine over the past few centuries, right? Lately, a good portion of doctors & lawyers are just about the money from their jobs, a natural inclination in a capitalistic based society, which relegates ethics to the back of the bus.

The bottom line of DWIGHTBAKER’s comments come out actually in the bottom line of his post:

“As the drug is metabolized, normal neurological activity is eventually restored.” (Question: As alcohol is metabolized does normal physiological activity ALWAYS return to the liver & other organs? Aren’t there some long term, even permanent, effects from alcohol consumption not evident in even long term massive pot usage?)

All the rest of the medical legalize is just terms meant to confuse those not in the ‘club’.

All of you reading this have survived into the new millenium. I just wish politicians would grow some (balls & pot), and advance into this century with most American & world citizens’ attitudes about this innocuous & useful plant.

NO DRUG should be illegal.  Someone might need it.  It matters not why they need it, what matters is that they do need it.  Let’s say pot alleviates tension or migraines FOR SOME PEOPLE, they should have that option.  What if a person would NEED Prozac, if they didn’t have pot, they should have that option, because pot is FACTUALLY safer than Prozac.

The whole issue of deeming a “drug” illegal is stupid.

It reminds of “bad words”.  How stupid is it to have “bad words”.  Somewhere, somehow, someone or group DECIDED (apparently arbitrarily) a certain word was “bad”.  I find it incredibly ridiculous.  We’ve actually deemed a word, “bad”.  It’s a word!  A part of our language.  Consider what we are claiming here….?  It’s craziness based upon what or who’s determination (where are the facts that support this)?  Again, I think of Carlin….. the WORD boobs is “ok”, but tits is “bad”...... why are we accepting nuttiness as validity?  They are words….. simply words.

To consider the regulation of a drug does have validity, especially wherein children are concerned.  However to deem a drug “bad” and the people who use the drug, “bad” is without merit.  It is a taught ideology and an overblown scare tactic for those unfamiliar with the facts.

A few years ago I became very sick, the verbiage for my condition is commonly dubbed “a severe flare-up”, I’d call it TORTURE.  Anyway, I was prescribed Vioxx and it saved my damn life, it worked quickly and I wonderfully reentered the world of the living.  After about the fourth week of taking Vioxx, it almost took my life.  Yeah….that was interesting, too.

Ironically(or was it?), this happened about a week or two before Vioxx was pulled from the market.  Remember, the pharma companies KNEW of this issue and buried it.  They could have been up-front about its “side effects” (ie. death), but they weren’t.  But that isn’t the overriding issue concerning Vioxx.  Again, it became a money game.  They wanted a drug which could be taken LONG-TERM, so they buried the facts.

For me, and people like me, this was a low blow.  The drug was extremely helpful to me, and SHOULD have been prescribed very SHORT TERM ( much like an anesthetic), since they KNEW the implications.  Because they lied…. I can’t have this drug, even if I REALLY NEED IT.  It was instrumental in reversing my “malady” and should have had an appropriate usage prescription in accordance with the facts.

NO DRUG should be illegal.  Someone might need it.  It matters not why they need it, what matters is that they do need it.  Let’s say pot alleviates tension or migraines FOR SOME PEOPLE, they should have that option.  What if a person would NEED Prozac, if they didn’t have pot, they should have that option, because pot is FACTUALLY safer than Prozac.

ALL drugs have a risk factor, ALL OF THEM.  This does not mean that they do not have benefits.  It should be a PERSONAL decision, based upon facts and a BALANCED view of the situation.  Any argument which attempts to vilify ANY drug is STUPID.  It doesn’t matter what the “drug” is, Vioxx, Alcohol, Marijuana, LSD, Heroin…..

All we need are the FACTS and the RIGHT to hedge our “bets” accordingly.  It is our body and our choice, live or die….. if we decide to to flirt with death in order to live or otherwise, its NOBODY’S business but our own. 

The propaganda is, we NEED someone to “save us” apparently “from ourselves”.  Reality however, proves their supposition ridiculous if not bizarre, or worse yet, simply STUPID.

When pot is legalized, it will never be commercialized.  It grows like a weed.  Cull out the males, water and fertilize. 
The war on drugs is really an endless insurgency with thousands dying because politicians are too cowardly to take the logical step and legalize pot.
If you look at the West Coast, where you can pretty much smoke pot without too much fear of the law, you see some people smoking and some not.  It is a personal choice. 
Remember most of the really bad economic and political decisions made in the last 10 years have been made by non potheads.

Cyrena,

The DEA has raided at least one California dispensary since Obama/Holder declared that they wouldn’t.

My point was that under the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, the DEA and the FDA are responsible for scheduling narcotics.  Decriminalization or legalization would require a rescheduling; both of those agencies report to the executive branch.  See the connection?

I did “a little googling” and found that the CA Senate passed a hemp bill in 2007, but that the governor vetoed it.  You must know something that google doesn’t.

Can’t farm hemp so long as the plant is a schedule 1 narcotic.  There is only one recognized species of Cannabis: sativa.  And that’s the argument that the DEA uses in court.  Yes, the DEA has final say over hemp farming.

My state has a medical marijuana policy.  So you failed to make me jealous or need to acknowledge your greatness for living in California.  It passed just this year, by a margin that made Obama’s look pitiful.

dwight, do you really want to go with that line of attack?  the side effects of marijuana being short term memory loss on a minor scale?  thats what youve got?

we are deluged with commercials on the hour with the latest pharma magic pill, and its horrific and random assortment of side effects.

you may experience a swollen tongue, anal leakage, heavy breathing, gimp knee, twitchy leg syndrome, and if your erection lasts longer than 5 hours, please consult your doctor.

try another line of attack.  not only does pot pale in comparison to our other addictions, pot is not addictive at all.  the psychological dependence is a myth.  not only that but its side effects, such as increased appetite, are actually beneficial for certain patients.  it is impossible to overdose on this drug.  it does not harm the liver.  there are some legitimate complaints about tars and whatnot when consumed in cigarette form.  marijuana, at worst, is equivalent to two regular cigarettes, and it can also be consumed in different forms, such as foodstuffs.

Decriminalization, not legalization.

You don’t want corporations marketing pot, selling pot, and putting toxins in it like they do with cigarettes.

Since I’ve been smoking for over forty years, off and on
but mostly on, and was a grower for ten years—I can vouch for
some of the facts concerning impairment of certain faculties while
under the influence; the list has become a tired litany promulgated by the stupid
government agencies involved.

On the other hand, while it’s probably not advisable to drive in heavy traffic while stoned,
I wouldn’t trade pot for any other recreational substance. It has
the marvelous property of getting one high, which is a state of
heightened awareness and frequently spiritual communing with
nature and the world; this characteristic of the weed is unique
in its nature as a naturally occurring weed, as far as I know.
In recent years there has also been a lot of research done on the
medical advantages of marijuana, and California among a handful
of other states now allow smokers to obtain medical doctors’ prescriptions
to buy it from local dispensaries. On this and legal issues, check
out norml.com (natl organization for legalization) Of course
native peoples on four continents have always been aware of the
benefits—lowering blood pressure, relieving nausea, relieving
asthma symptoms, relieving or curing glaucoma, a soporific,
relief of arthritis pain, etc.

Unfortunately the misguided “war on drugs” is causing havoc
and ruining lives of users in the US. One can only hope the
the liberal leaning of the new Administration will lead to
legalizing this wonderful worldwide weed.

I believe the much of the truth about the war on drugs is nowhere near revealed. To the extent that the death squads did oppressive regimes bidding on it’s own people to suppress any grassroots organizing and community building unless it was sanctioned from above. These were government vigilante guerrillas suppressing true political movements to truly represent and improve indigenous and rural peoples lives and their ability to have a voice in any way, shape or form.

to Samosamo—you’ve heard the old saw:  “A little pot and soon hot”
Does that answer your question?

Mr. Sirota has omitted one interesting aspect of the “war on drugs”
as it’s being carried out in Afghanistan—the production of opium
poppies has tripled in that country during these years of
“eradication”.
What is the meaning of this? The photo-op poppy farmer busts are
used to hide the fact, that opium is still a highly valued and highly
priced commodity, and who controls Afghanistan controls the
world supply.
This is the hidden motive of world governments interest in the area.
We are talking about drug Barons now, the Wall Street of the opium
trade. This is if not the reason, the rhyme of the War on the Taliban and the poppy “eradication”.

Interesting?  Learn more.

By jackpine savage, April 3 at 7:59 am #

Well, you know, it’s all up to Obama.  According to the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, the DEA and the FDA have responsibility for scheduling drugs.

Congress could change penalties for it, but the only real solution is rescheduling.  I won’t be holding my breath.

We also must consider that “industrial hemp” can’t be grown in America until Cannabis sativa is rescheduled.

~*~*

Actually Jackpine, I think you might have missed the news lately. Obama and Holder have ALREADY taken the first step for correction here, by changing the policy that should have never been violated to begin with. In short, (and I’ll paraphrase since it’s a simple enough concept)...

The Feds cannot overrule state laws (at least in theory) despite the fact that Ashcroft did it anyway.

So, while this doesn’t seem particularly monumental to the Obama/Holder bashers, it actually is. In a nutshell, the DEA can’t do shit in states that have their own laws, and as a Californian, that’s quite a good thing.

So, if you do a little googling, you’ll discover that the new admin has demanded a HALT to any DEA raids of pot farms in states that have their own regulation. It does require an ‘evaluation’ by state licensed physician, at which point the patient is provided with a prescription and an ID card. One can then show up at any one of the dispensaries/clinics, and purchase whatever they want, (we have 12 clinics/dispensaries in my immediate vicinity. though the sales tax in my county has increased to 8.75%.

I don’t mind, seeing as how California is now bankrupt, and so we can damn sure use the revenue. Now of course the pharmies don’t like it at all, seeing as how one bud of marijuana replaces about 9 medications that they’ve been shoving down the throats of Americans. But we sure like it.

Oh yeah, we’re back to growing industrial hemp as well. Just like the old days of colonial times when states were REQUIRED to grow X amount of hemp.

So if your state doesn’t have a program yet, better get to it.

Can marijuana be an aphrodisiac?

Remember this:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28034925/?gt1=43001

And the human race has not become extinct.

How many professional people smoke it and still function? Or are their some here who would try to MAKE us believe how much better those scientists, musicians and other professionals who toke would be if they did not smoke pot?
The big problems are too many are led to believe something that is not true(all too often)and that no body wants to be responsible for raising their kids or just can’t, and uses the t.v. as a baby sitter.
So what is worse?

Prohibition and suppression are the two greatest evils in this world.

Whether or not pot smoking has detrimental effects on a developing brain really has little to do with the legislation behind either making it legal or keeping it illegal. Early alcohol or tobbaco use have been causing developmental issue for centuries yet they are legal. The real issue is our appetite for these products.

Did people suddenly stop wanting to drink when prohibition was enacted? Of course not. Humans will continue to devour mind altering substances regardless of the law. You cannot legislate away human nature.

The pharmaceutical business is one of the largest industries in America, thanks to the bribes, staging of presidents, senators etc…who make the laws we are forced to live under…The consolidation of wealth, where the businesses that really run the USA, including the media have become properties of the rich elite, who are our real masters, owners, we are their property now….Oh marijuana will become legal, give it a few years, and they will act like it is the will of the people, regulate, tax and plunder as usual..I believe this to be propaganda, Obama cannot look too eager or liberal at this point, and Clinton, she is the set up person, using practical points etc to set the stage…The war on drugs, has been a socially engineered war on people and free will…A psychological war to control and own the citizens and it has worked the way they have anticipated that it would…With all the best brightest scholars at their table they know that they will never stop addiction and drug abuse, that’s not the point…The point is control, and ultimate power over the masses…You never see a man smoke pot, get into his car, hit and kill a few people on his way home to beat his wife and kids….But why stop there? Are all heroin addicts thief’s, who rob and kill for their junk? Or cocaine, meth etc…these drug users all have their social scripts….Reality, the only drug users who go to jail, for the most part are the poor ones, for non violent crimes, who are addicts, use the drugs to medicate themselves…There are working class, and professionals who use and are addicted to these drugs too…But the jail system, is another way to make money, control and box the poor, and victimize the victims…People who are mentally ill or more likely put in the prison system, then ever get any help because they are poor, and are not a asset to big business, unless they can generate revenue by being held in costly prisons, that are created with revolving doors…The products, the poor mentally ill or addicts, are set up to perpetually, until death create revenue through their inability to ever become healthy….Marijuana will be legalized, but why not legalize all drugs, offer help instead of jail???  I really know why this will not be done, it’s all about control, and power on all levels….After all the middle class and up need to have the scapegoats of society to put their fears upon and blame..They provide a living for segments of our society, they also provide and support the huge drug and medical industrial complex…Create more willing soldiers to go to war, creating bigger better more expensive antidepressants, and other psychiatric drugs, creating more to the religion of psychology/psychiatry (the religion of social control)...It’s all Good…It’s a WIN WIN proposition…All so very circular, and cliche…

To Dwightbaker

From what I have read you are suffering from what you have written .Any substance that is abused will cause the body to react in a defensive manner ,regardless whether it is ingested ,injected or smoked.The

Dutch by the way are getting along just fine ,maybe you should smoke another refer ,but then maybe not ,because social paranoia might overwhelm you .The other option is take a hook of Russian Vodka and

let the electrical synapses ease your tension.

How many in The San Francisco Crowd started smoking dope early on?

READ ON

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T63-47HC4M7-5&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=da3cbfda07120cc1e4cbcb2f4457b5ab

Early-onset cannabis use and cognitive deficits: what is the nature of the association?

Abstract

Background: Individuals who initiate cannabis use at an early age, when the brain is still developing, might be more vulnerable to lasting neuropsychological deficits than individuals who begin use later in life. Methods: We analyzed neuropsychological test results from 122 long-term heavy cannabis users and 87 comparison subjects with minimal cannabis exposure, all of who had undergone a 28-day period of abstinence from cannabis, monitored by daily or every-other-day observed urine samples.

We compared early-onset cannabis users with late-onset users and with controls, using linear regression controlling for age, sex, ethnicity, and attributes of family of origin. Results: The 69 early-onset users (who began smoking before age 17) differed significantly from both the 53 late-onset users (who began smoking at age 17 or later) and from the 87 controls on several measures, most notably verbal IQ (VIQ).

Few differences were found between late-onset users and controls on the test battery. However, when we adjusted for VIQ, virtually all differences between early-onset users and controls on test measures ceased to be significant. Conclusions:

Early-onset cannabis users exhibit
1.  Poorer cognitive performance than late-onset users or control subjects,
2.  Especially in VIQ, but the cause of this difference cannot be determined from our data.

The difference may reflect
(1)  Innate differences between groups in cognitive ability, antedating first cannabis use;
(2)  An actual neurotoxin effect of cannabis on the developing brain; or
(3)  Poorer learning of conventional cognitive skills by young cannabis users who have eschewed academics and diverged from the mainstream culture.

Most of us here understand marijuana prohibition is a terrible policy.

Now send a letter to President Obama and your elected representatives and let them know that you want marijuana to be legalized and regulated, just like alcohol:

http://tinyurl.com/LegalizeTaxIt

Drugs are not why the U.S. has spent money opposing Latin American leftists.

Dwight Baker You sir are part of the problem. to infer that I meant in any way to give children ANY drugs is to infer YOUR FOOLISHNESS.

One of the things that David left out is the craze of drug enforcement on our Doctors. Pain management is a nomenclature for prescribing placebos or aspirin instead of opiates. If you are in chronic pain, in all likeliness, you will not be helped by your Doctor. Pharmacists are encourage, at bayonet point, to turn Doctors in for over prescribing prescriptions for Oxy-condin and it’s ilk. So living in desperation of losing their license and going to jail Doctors just don’t try to stop horrifying pain. DEA is no more than Big Brother justifying it’s existence.
And than there is the problem of prison population…but that is for another reason to stop Reefer Madness. When will my fellow man learn that probition does not work?

Now is definitely the time for action… time to end the failed, destructive policy of marijuana prohibition.
Tell Obama and your elected representatives that marijuana should be legalized and taxed:
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Well, you know, it’s all up to Obama.  According to the Controlled Substances Act of 1970, the DEA and the FDA have responsibility for scheduling drugs.

Congress could change penalties for it, but the only real solution is rescheduling.  I won’t be holding my breath.

We also must consider that “industrial hemp” can’t be grown in America until Cannabis sativa is rescheduled.

WHAT TO GIVE OUR CHILDREN THE CHANCE THEY DESERVE?

Neurological effects

The areas of the brain where cannabinoid receptors are most prevalently located are consistent with the behavioral effects produced by cannabinoids. Brain regions in which cannabinoid receptors are very abundant are the basal ganglia, associated with movement control; the cerebellum, associated with body movement coordination; the hippocampus, associated with learning, memory, and stress control; the cerebral cortex, associated with higher cognitive functions; and the nucleus accumbens, regarded as the reward center of the brain. Other regions where cannabinoid receptors are moderately concentrated are the hypothalamus, which regulates homeostatic functions; the amygdala, associated with emotional responses and fears; the spinal cord, associated with peripheral sensations like pain; the brain stem, associated with sleep, arousal, and motor control; and the nucleus of the solitary tract, associated with visceral sensations like nausea and vomiting.[25]

Most notably, the two areas of motor control and memory are where the effects of cannabis are directly and irrefutably evident. Cannabinoids, depending on the dose, inhibit the transmission of neural signals through the basal ganglia and cerebellum. At lower doses, cannabinoids seem to stimulate locomotion while greater doses inhibit it, most commonly manifested by lack of steadiness (body sway and hand steadiness) in motor tasks that require a lot of attention. Other brain regions, like the cortex, the cerebellum, and the neural pathway from cortex to striatum, are also involved in the control of movement and contain abundant cannabinoid receptors, indicating their possible involvement as well.

Experiments on animal and human tissue have shown the potential for the disruption of short-term memory,[14] which is consistent with the abundance of CB1 receptors on the hippocampus, the region of the brain most closely associated with memory.

Cannabinoids inhibit the release of several neurotransmitters in the hippocampus, like acetylcholine, norepinephrine, and glutamate, resulting in a major decrease in neuronal activity in that region. This decrease in activity resembles a “temporary hippocampal lesion.”[14] In the end, this procedure could lead to the blocking of cellular processes that are associated with memory formation. As the drug is metabolized, normal neurological activity is eventually restored.

My ex-boss in California, A real piece of shit by the way, sold 2-3,000 pounds of marijuana per year. when prop 215 (medical marijuana) was on the ballot I discussed on one morning drive to work the prospects of decriminalization. I was surprised and amazed at how quickly this 24 year old Mexican National turned into a staunch conservative in his views. He knew who buttered his bread,so to speak. Colorado has medical marijuana and except for an occasional rip-off of an indoor grow and the exploits of a few Over-zealous police officer there are NO PROBLEMS. When you read about the problems with drugs it’s not the drugs that cause the problems it’s the DRUG LAWS that cause all the murder and mayhem. Marijuana is not the “gateway” that lead your children into a life of drugs, it’s the Underground economy that puts them in-touch with the “Dark side” .  Let’s End The Madness, End Prohibition and give our children the chance they deserve.