Top Leaderboard, Site wide
November 27, 2014
Truthdig: Drilling Beneath the Headlines
Sign up for Truthdig's Email NewsletterLike Truthdig on FacebookFollow Truthdig on TwitterSubscribe to Truthdig's RSS Feed

Get Truthdig's headlines in your inbox!


Weather Extremes Will Be the Norm As World Warms




Joan of Arc


Truthdig Bazaar more items

 
Report

Thirty Years of Unleashed Greed

Email this item Email    Print this item Print    Share this item... Share

Posted on Oct 26, 2011
AP / Jay Finneburgh

Iraq War veteran Scott Olsen, 24, lies bleeding in Oakland, Calif., after being struck by a projectile apparently fired by police. He suffered a skull fracture while marching with other demonstrators attempting to re-establish a presence near a protest camp disbanded by authorities, said Dottie Guy of the Iraq Veterans Against the War.

By Robert Scheer

It is class warfare. But it was begun not by the tear-gassed, rain-soaked protesters asserting their constitutionally guaranteed right of peaceful assembly but rather the financial overlords who control all of the major levers of power in what passes for our democracy. It is they who subverted the American ideal of a nation of stakeholders in control of their economic and political destiny.

Between 1979 and 2007, as the Congressional Budget Office reported this week, the average real income of the top 1 percent grew by an astounding 275 percent. And that is after payment of the taxes that the superrich and their Republican apologists find so onerous.

Those three decades of rampant upper-crust greed unleashed by the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s will be well marked by future historians recording the death of the American dream. In that decisive historical period the middle class began to evaporate and the nation’s income gap increased to alarming proportions. “As a result of that uneven growth,” the CBO explained, “the distribution of after-tax household income in the United States was substantially more unequal in 2007 than in 1979: The share of income accruing to higher-income households increased, whereas the share accruing to other households declined. ... The share of after-tax household income for the 1 percent of the population with the highest income more than doubled. ...”

That was before the 2008 meltdown that ushered in the massive increase in unemployment and housing foreclosures that further eroded the standard of living of the vast majority of Americans while the superrich rewarded themselves with immense bonuses. To stress the role of the financial industry in this march to greater income inequality as the Occupy Wall Street movement has done is not a matter of ideology or rhetoric, but, as the CBO report details, a matter of discernible fact.

The CBO noted that in comparing top earners, “The [income] share of financial professionals almost doubled from 1979 to 2005” and that “employees in the financial and legal professions made up a larger share of the highest earners than people in those other groups.”

Advertisement

Square, Site wide
No wonder, since it was the bankers and the lawyers serving them who managed to end the sensible government regulations that contained their greed. The undermining of those regulations began during the Reagan presidency, and so it is not surprising that, as the CBO reports, “the compensation differential between the financial sector and the rest of the economy appears inexplicably large from 1990 onward.” Citing a major study on the subject, the CBO added, “The authors believe that deregulation and corporate finance activities linked to initial public offerings and credit risks are the primary causes of the higher compensation differential.”

So much for the claim that excessive government regulation has discouraged business activity. The CBO report also denies the charge that taxes on the wealthy have placed an undue burden on the economy, documenting that federal revenue sources have become more regressive and that the tax burden on the wealthy has declined since 1979.

In the face of the evidence that class inequality had been rising sharply in the United States even before the banking-induced recession, it would seem that the Occupy Wall Street protests are a quite measured and even timid response to the crisis.

Actually, the rallying cry of that movement was originally enunciated not by the protesters in the streets, but by one of the nation’s most respected economists. Last April, Nobel Laureate Joseph Stiglitz wrote an article in Vanity Fair titled “Of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%” that should be required reading for those well-paid pundits who question the logic and motives of the Wall Street protesters. “Americans have been watching protests [abroad] against repressive regimes that concentrate massive wealth in the hands of an elite few,” Stiglitz wrote. “Yet, in our democracy, 1% of the people take nearly a quarter of the nation’s income—an inequality even the wealthy will come to regret.”

Maybe justice will prevail despite the suffering that the 1 percent has inflicted on the foreclosed and the jobless. But to date those who have seized 40 percent of the nation’s wealth still control the big guns in this war of classes.

Click here to check out Robert Scheer’s book,
“The Great American Stickup: How Reagan Republicans and Clinton Democrats Enriched Wall Street While Mugging Main Street.”


Keep up with Robert Scheer’s latest columns, interviews, tour dates and more at www.truthdig.com/robert_scheer.



Get truth delivered to
your inbox every week.

Previous item: The Vatican Meets the Occupiers

Next item: The Worst Generation



New and Improved Comments

If you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy.

Oceanna's avatar

By Oceanna, October 28, 2011 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

@Ardee

FYI.  According to World Hunger over 14% of Americans are food insecure. 
Translation: hungry!  Someone else can change that to a fraction.  Though very
likely, it’s increased since the data was drawn. 


http://www.worldhunger.org/articles/Learn/us_hunger_facts.htm

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 28, 2011 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

WEALTH ANALYSIS

RS: Maybe justice will prevail despite the suffering that the 1 percent has inflicted on the foreclosed and the jobless. But to date those who have seized 40 percent of the nation’s wealth still control the big guns in this war of classes.

Stigliz was rounding off the percentage. It’s actually 43%. But, so what ... I figure he got the numbers from where I did two years ago, which have been updated since to include 2009 figures, the latest.

The only real micro-analysis of income unfairness is here. The references at the bottom of the page show that it a serious study of wealth and net worth in America, based upon household surveys.

In the pie-chart breakdown, 1% of all American households (in 2007) owned 43% of the nation’s wealth. The next 19% of households (making 20%) owned another 50% of the nation’s wealth. The total for both household populations was thus 93%.

That left just 7% of the wealth to be shared by the remaining 80% of the American household population. (The household population of America is about 113 million families, according to census data.)

WHICH MEANS WHAT?

That means that the 1%, which is the center of focus in the present movement of outrage and indignation, consists of 1.13 million households.

The number of people per household is 2.60 or about 3 million people who are the hardcore plutocrats of this nation.

Dispute the analysis if you wish, but please do note your sources.

Report this

By tony_opmoc, October 28, 2011 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

Initially, I didn’t quite “Get” Charlie Gilmour, but then I am a bit old and slow. He’s the Son of The Pink Floyd Guitarist who has just lost his appeal. I now think he is a young man of tremendous courage.

He said this whilst effectively doing the equivalent of “Storming the Bastille” in London during The Student Riots.

“Let them eat cake, they said, we won’t eat cake. We will eat fire, ice and destruction, because we are angry, very f****** angry”

“They broke the moral law, we are going to break all the laws. Arson. Destroy. We are not going to stand for it any f****** more, storm Parliament.”

That is pretty strong stuff. If he’d been a Muslim, he would have been rendered to the British equivalent of Guantanamo Bay by now, and be strung upside down whilst having extremely horrible things done to his genitals.

Instead he’ll probably make Prime Minister after the Revolution.

Tony

Report this

By ardee, October 28, 2011 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

By heterochromatic, October 27 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

ardee——despite having spent more than a decade collecting food for local food
pantries…..I damn do NOT know that

“Are you aware that 1/6 of our population suffers from hunger?”


that’s an utterly bullshit figure for the US population———

Get an adult to read the link I thoughtfully provided. Then, after that adult explains all those big words to you you should apologize both for your tone and your stupidity.

Tell me oh giant fraud, if there is not a problem with hunger in this nation how is it that you {fraudulently I am certain) claim to work so diligently to “collect food for the hungry” ( who do not exist in the first place).

“Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.”


I think maybe you’re taking a figure for the world and misapplying it here.

I doubt very much that you do much “thinking” at all.

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 28, 2011 at 4:37 am Link to this comment

A world map of caloric consumption in kilo-calories per person per day here.

Of course, the US is right up at the top in terms of caloric intake.

From WikiP (the article linked above):

In 1998, the medical costs attributable to obesity in the US were $78.5 billion or 9.1% of all medical expenditures, while the cost of obesity in Canada was estimated at CA$2 billion in 1997 (2.4% of total health costs).

Report this
Shenonymous's avatar

By Shenonymous, October 28, 2011 at 3:48 am Link to this comment

Of course there is a correlation between food intake and weight,
any fool can intuit that!  But it is supremely shortsighted if anyone
thinks obesity is caused simply by overeating.  The cause of
obesity is complex, it is plural, causes, with an s on the end of
the word cause and involve several interconnected factors that
include genetics, environment, diet, exercise, societal influences,
and economic elements that do not exist in any particular ethnic
group or are associated with any specific socioeconomic level. 
There are poor fat people and rich fat people and fat people in the
socioeconomic mid-range and many truthdippers are fat, and no,
I ain’t one of them.  Before one opens their mealy mouth to talk
about obesity, it is recommended, if any intelligence is claimed, to do
some research on the condition to alleviate ignorance and avoid braying
like a jackass.  A good place to begin is
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/obesity/page2_em.htm 
And if you are not too lazy, navigate to page 1 of the article for an
overview.

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 28, 2011 at 2:47 am Link to this comment

hc: please. if you’re getting food stamps, it’s pretty certain that you’re eating regularly

Please, if 32% of Americans are obese and two-thirds overweight, then food stamps are not the issue. The way we eat is the real concern and as regards the poor, they tend to eat more carbohydrates than proteins (because the food-stamps go further) - meaning they gain and maintain weight.

Take a look at the illnesses that derive from obesity here.

Now, let’s wonder what happens when the Health-care Time-bomb bursts as the major part of the obese and seriously overweight population comes to where those illnesses cause serious disability or death.

That horizon is not as far away as we think ...

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 28, 2011 at 2:33 am Link to this comment

JUST THE FACTS

chaca: end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy

You mean, I submit, end the Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy.

When Reagan came to office, marginal income taxation was at the 70% level. He broght them down precipitously to around 30%. However, the IRS maintains that, with deductions, they are between 20/24%.

In fact, from 1937 to the early 1960s, marginal taxation was somewhere between 70 to 90%. See this info-graphic  depicting its historical evolution. Note the year 1980. Who was elected PotUS in that year?

(Also note that the Red-line is top marginal taxation and that the Green Line is National Debt. What is there to conclude from the inflexion upwards in the National Debt that occurred in the 1980s, during you-know-who’s tenure of office?)

MY POINT

Wow! For 75% of the take, wouldn’t you be prepared to bend-the-rules to make a megabuck?

There will be no modulating the greed of TopManagement for as long as the ability to make humongous amounts of money is not greatly diminished by increased taxation - that is, higher tax rates and closure of numerous loopholes.

Will those measures neuter “private initiative”? No they wont, they (the Plutocrats) just want you to believe it will.

Report this
drbhelthi's avatar

By drbhelthi, October 28, 2011 at 1:43 am Link to this comment

” - - how many die because they’re too lazy to learn how to regulate their eating habits? how many die because they decided to smoke tobacco? how many because they eat themselves into adult onset diabetes and never properly followed the medical care and advice that they did receive?  how many died because they decided to drive too fast or drive while not sober or drive cars that they knew weren’t working properly? @ heterochromatic

Occasionally, “heterochromatic” lets some quasi-accurate information slip though - but only when attacking accurate observations of other bloggers.  Some people get their rocks off by beating their breasts and saying look at me, I´m really great, instead of making genuine contributions.

Report this

By diamond, October 28, 2011 at 1:27 am Link to this comment

“how many die because they’re too lazy to learn how to regulate their eating habits? how many die because they decided to smoke tobacco? how many
because they eat themselves into adult onset diabetes and never properly followed the medical care and advice that they did receive?  how many died
because they decided to drive too fast or drive while not sober or drive cars that they knew weren’t working properly?”

Talk about blame the victim! I can’t tell you the number of people I know who have ended up with hideous diseases who were health freaks,non smokers, vegetarians and fitness maniacs. Illness does not discriminate. You should pray the prayer that goes: ‘God give me the wisdom not to open my mouth until I know what I’m talking about.’ The biggest cause of bankruptcy in America is medical bankruptcy. The American health care system is so unjust, inefficient and corrupt that no other people in the world, given the choice, have adopted it. America is currently experiencing a fifty year high in poverty. The salaries of CEOs in corporations have gone from being 100 times that of the average worker to being 300 times or more that of the average worker.

Health care has become a luxury and that is not moral. It’s like privatizing water or any other necessity of life. They privatized water in South Africa and the poor ended up drinking out of puddles on the side of the road. They only came to their senses and removed the meters when a cholera epidemic broke out because so many people were drinking dirty water. There are things you just don’t privatize and health care is one of them. And if you want to keep costs from skyrocketing you have to have a public option to provide competition. Having no public health system is a bit like setting up those death panels Fox News couldn’t stop talking about. The rich get health care and the poor die, but then I suppose that’s their own fault too. Serves them right for not being rich.

Report this

By Marian Griffith, October 28, 2011 at 1:02 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

@heterochromatic
—-just how does that happen? how does someone campaign for election in a nation of 300 million without money?—-

More cheaply of course.

The simple truth is though that if the amount of money spent on campaigning is a very good indicator of who is going to win, then we must either give up the pretense of living in a representative democracy and accept that we live in an plutocracy. Or we must ensure that the amount of money any individual can spend on campaign contributions is not only limited to an absolute value but also that that value is low enough that it does not exclude the ability of the vast majority of the population to reach it.

The richest 0.1pct can as easily contribute a million dollar as I can donate one hundred. But their vote should not be worth ten thousand times as much as mine.

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, October 27, 2011 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

Re: heterochromatic, October 27

Your comment: “the “suffering from hunger” phrase came from ardee on this thread.”

Could you please put the date and time that ardee
said that?  All I could find was this(from ardee):

“50% of US children, one out of every two American children, will use a food stamp to eat during their childhood. 50% of US children will use a food stamp to eat during their childhood.”

I believe it was you, here’s the entire post:

By heterochromatic, October 27 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

Why would you engage in such an activity for
more than a decade when according to YOU there is no real need?
——-


again, Out. it’s not the need that i’m denying, it’s the overblown statistical measurement.


the most generous measurement goes by the title “food insecurity”  and that doesn’t measure people who are “suffering from hunger”

it measures anyone who, at any time in the course of the year had any shortfall in food intake at any time.  different stat than “suffering from
hunger”

I worked to combat a real and persistent problem, and we do have a problem, but the US isn’t like so many parts of the world where people really do suffer and die, in great numbers, because there is no food for them.

And as I’ve shown ardee’s statistic is NOT overblown:
From USA Today:
“Half of American kids will live in households
receiving food stamps before age 20, according to a study reported Monday in Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine. Although one in five children rely on food stamps for years, many more live in families who turn to food stamps during a short-term crisis,”

It also goes on to say:
“Rank says his study, the first of its kind, may
underestimate how many families struggle with grocery bills. Only about 67% of people who are eligible for food stamps actually receive them, the Department of Agriculture says.”
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-11-02-food-stamps_N.htm

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

Out, the “suffering from hunger” phrase came from ardee on this thread.

if ardee got it from Luntz, I wouldn’t know….but it was that phrase to which I
responded.I more reasonable and less hyperbolic formulation might not have
gotten a refutation out of me.

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, October 27, 2011 at 10:53 pm Link to this comment

Re: heterochromatic, October 27

“it measures anyone who, at any time in the course of the year had any shortfall in food intake at any time.”  different stat than “suffering from hunger”

Doesn’t stand to reason that if one suffers from a
“shortfall in food intake” that this person would be HUNGRY!  C’mon…... I mean really, where’d you get that phrase, Frank Luntz?
Jeez…..!

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 10:51 pm Link to this comment

Steve…..you wanna switch the subject from an imaginary right to assemble where
ever and whenever and however . sure


but before you start talking simple fraud and deciding that it covers practices in
securities trading, you’re gonna need to learn a boatload of law and the history of
securities regulation…...you might find that the rules and banking and trading
have jumped all over the map in the last 35 years,...

Report this

By SteveL, October 27, 2011 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

“there’s no “Now” about this…unless it’s just Now you’re learning the rules.all
these ?rules are at least a century old”. 
Oh how could I forget?  There are plenty of laws on the books about fraud.  But
now bankers and Wall Street are exempt from them?  Guess you sure told me?

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment

SteveL——you remember a time when people didn’t need a permit to march
through cities if they were assembling in numbers grea enough to stop traffic?

you remember a time when there weren’t park rules? or a time when people had
the right to sleep in the streets?


there’s no “Now” about this…unless it’s just Now you’re learning the rules.all these
rules are at least a century old.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment

Why would you engage in such an activity for
more than a decade when according to YOU there is no
real need?
——-


again, Out. it’s not the need that i’m denying, it’s the overblown statistical
measurement.


the most generous measurement goes by the title “food insecurity”  and that
doesn’t measure people who are “suffering from hunger”

it measures anyone who, at any time in the course of the year had any shortfall
in food intake at any time.  different stat than “suffering from hunger”

I worked to combat a real and persistent problem, and we do have a problem,
but the US isn’t like so many parts of the world where people really do suffer
and die, in great numbers, because there is no food for them.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Outraged, food stamps does not equate to experiencing hunger.    please. if
you’re getting food stamps, it’s pretty certain that you’re eating regularly…unless
you’re doing something else with the stamps.

Report this

By SteveL, October 27, 2011 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

Every time we turn around we get one half of the second amendment jammed
down our throat.  Now we find when using the first amendment a local permit is
needed?  Suddenly federal law does not supersede state and local law?  The
constitution was not made for someone’s convenience.

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, October 27, 2011 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

Re: heterochromatic,

“how many die because they’re too lazy to learn how to regulate their eating habits? how many die because they decided to smoke tobacco? how many
because they eat themselves into adult onset diabetes and never properly followed the medical care and advice that they did receive?  how many died because they decided to drive too fast or drive while not sober or drive cars that
they knew weren’t working properly?”

Regarding your comments, again you are incorrect. 
From CBS News:

”“We found that 45,000 Americans are dying
annually, due to lack of health insurance,” said Dr. Steffie Woolhandler.

Woolhandler was part of a team that tracked more than 9,000 people for up to 13 years, comparing the health of those with insurance to those without. After factoring in education and income, smoking, drinking and obesity, researchers found that the uninsured
had about a 40 percent higher risk of death, linking 45,000 American deaths a year to lack of insurance.In 1993 it was 25 percent.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/09/17/eveningnews/main5318652.shtml

I wouldn’t call that “intellectual laziness” however
I might call your comments RIGHT WING RHETORIC.

BTW, I’m curious as to why….. according to you
“despite having spent more than a decade collecting
food for local food pantries…..I damn do NOT know
that”.
  Why would you engage in such an activity for
more than a decade when according to YOU there is no
real need?

Report this

By gerard, October 27, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

Ozark Michael:  You really should read up on the Koch brothers’ support of the Tea Party. Of course the facts will reveal things you don’t want to admit, but really ... ” We paid fees that the city assessed on us for gathering, etc.etc.”.. sounds utterly naive to anyone who knows the plain widely known facts about the rise of the Tea Party and the broad and incessant promotion of its niggardly public policies. (Better look up “niggardly” too so as not to misunderstand.)

Report this
examinator's avatar

By examinator, October 27, 2011 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

The Biggest sadness to me is that the public simply doesn’t learn from history!
30 years(?) of greed you must be kidding! even the most cursory reading of history and in particular American history. It hows that the country was built on it and is part of the institutional structure the veritable national psyche is built on it in its various forms. All that has changed are the tactics and the justifications.Be they dispossessing the native peoples, African slaves, over throwing the odd Central American government because of corporate profits, the lock outs,union busting thugs of the steel barons…trough to the sixties popular battles, (contrary to popular impressions the 60’s weren’t all peace, pop music and love ins) to today’s Occupations.

Frankly I admire the courage of the occupiers or their naivety Believing they would achieve anything. In reality it was/is only a matter of time before the powers to be were going to assert by any means, the power status quo.

The powers that be were are never going to give up their their ways so long as there is
a) still a profit
b) still a profit
C) There are people prepared to excuse, blame others so they can get their piece of the action(POTA).

I am not simply ‘fingering’ the obvious i.e. tea party, republican but also the democrats
and also the intellectual elite.
Ask your self
‘Are you still buying wants and not just needs?’
‘Do you still have credit cards?’
‘Have you closed your bank accounts in favour of a credit union?’
‘Are you still buying new motor vehicles on credit?’
‘Do you have have capital backed investments/superannuation?’
‘Are you an active member of a political party trying to change their culture?’
‘Do you have only ethical investments ( as opposed to the most profitable) ?’
‘Do you always shop for the cheapest regardless of who makes it and how?’
If you answered no to more than two of the above then you are either kidding yourself or a hypocrite.
In truth it is the average person collectively that is the primary source of the profit and indifference that makes the Plutocrats greed possible.


What I’m suggesting is stop doing feel good fruitless protests and organize an assault on their their profits…then as sure as night follows day things will change.
Take a lesson from the BP spill in the gulf. BP were haemorrhaging profitability world wide and had to have a sacrificial lamb….the US CEO…in truth all he was guilty(?) of was bad PR. Once he went their share price crept up.
Ergo I’m suggesting campaigns against various senior positions…specifically their wages.
Even the devil himself (Murdoch) is under pressure from the shareholders…if he is invincible because of the peculiar 2 level share holding then any other CEO etc is even more vulnerable. I’ve even suggested capital strikes and multi jurisdictional legal blizzards… In short hit them where they can’t hit back.

Report this
Outraged's avatar

By Outraged, October 27, 2011 at 9:07 pm Link to this comment

Re: heterochromatic, October 27

Your comment: “that’s an utterly bullshit figure for
the US population———” (regarding food stamps of
course)

No, it’s not a “bullshit figure”.  Although these are
2009 statistics, I feel confident given the economy
that the same would hold true today (and maybe
moreso)

From USA Today:
“Half of American kids will live in households
receiving food stamps before age 20, according to a
study reported Monday in Archives of Pediatrics &
Adolescent Medicine.
Although one in five children rely on food stamps for
years, many more live in families who turn to food
stamps during a short-term crisis,”

It also goes on to say:
“Rank says his study, the first of its kind, may
underestimate how many families struggle with grocery
bills. Only about 67% of people who are eligible for
food stamps actually receive them, the Department of
Agriculture says.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-11-02-food-stamps_N.htm

Report this

By jnmis, October 27, 2011 at 7:33 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

to heterochromatic:
The U.S. Dept. of Agriculture estimates that 1 in 4 of U.S. children struggles to get enough food to eat.  Oh wait, I forgot.  They must be too lazy to go out and get jobs so they can buy the food they lack.

Report this
Shenonymous's avatar

By Shenonymous, October 27, 2011 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

On Cenk’s mailing list, signed up on the 21st.  Let’s see what
happens. 

They needed 5000 signed up, and have 4734 signatures
go to http://www.wolf-pac.com/

Join the WolfPAC

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

Ana, as usual, thank you for a solid contribution.

It really will take a Constitutional amendment because the First Amendment won’t
support the stifling of political speech inherent in the proposal.

Report this

By prosefights, October 27, 2011 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Powers that be in Albuquerque NM are trying to take Ms Leslie Trilling’s home away from her for city of albuquerque failing to pay flood claim.

http://www.prosefights.org/deaton/deaton.htm#trilling

Report this
Anarcissie's avatar

By Anarcissie, October 27, 2011 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment

Here’s one proposal for getting the money out: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/cenk-uygur-separate-money-and-politics_n_1023053.html
or see
http://www.wolf-pac.com/

No doubt there are others.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller——-Inequity means to me that we must get the money out of politics.


just how does that happen? how does someone campaign for election in a nation
of 300 million without money?

Report this
Leefeller's avatar

By Leefeller, October 27, 2011 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Crying for a level playing field, when the rules are rigged and broken is a fools comment. The Tea Party only has 27 percent public support, while the OWS have 54 percent and to top it off the 99 percenters do not have the Koch Brothers bank roll and Fox News to wave the pom poms.  The 99 percenters have only me and the 99 percent of people who feel the system is broken to wave the pom poms, while the Republicans and their benefactors gut our representative democracy.

Crony capitalism seems very close to Fascism to me!

Inequity means to me that we must get the money out of politics.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

——In fact, 45,000 Americans die preventable deaths every single year simply
because they cannot afford medical care. That is equivalent to 15 9/11 attacks
every single year.——-

——-

that’s the type of intellectually lazy and ultimately dishonest nonsense that
sophomores type out on bad term papers.


how many Americans die “preventable” deaths each year?

how many die because they’re too lazy to learn how to regulate their eating
habits? how many die because they decided to smoke tobacco? how many
because they eat themselves into adult onset diabetes and never properly
followed the medical care and advice that they did receive?  how many died
because they decided to drive too fast or drive while not sober or drive cars that
they knew weren’t working properly?

Report this
Silence is Complicity's avatar

By Silence is Complicity, October 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

“Those three decades of rampant upper-crust greed unleashed by the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s will be well marked by future historians recording the death of the American dream.”
===============================
I agree with the essence of Robert Scheer’s above statement and I consider myself an eye witness to this history since 1979 was the year I arrived in America as an immigrant. My first shock was when Americans elected the hollow, shallow, second class actor as their president. Instinctively, I knew that this is the ushering of the downfall of America. In fact, I wrote a piece in Arabic, published in a minor publication, which I entitled as “The Beginning of the American Nightmare.”

What I disagree with Scheer about is his usage of the phrase “Reagan Revolution;” since in my dictionary the word ‘revolution’ associates with positive, progressive change for the better as opposed to a rotten status quo. Reagan’s era ushered a regressive movement backwards. Throughout Reagan’s presidency I was living on the edge of explosion, and every-time I heard Reagan or saw his fake facial expressions, I always felt like throwing up.

Yet, it seemed that God was not done with putting me to the utmost test of my political-social-economic views; so when I had to experience and live through the era of the more shallow, stupid, ignorant and evil George Bush the son, I started to think that Reagan was a relatively benign evil.

Then came Obama! And who would tell you who Obama is?! I will leave expressing my feelings about him till he hands the presidency of America to another evil successor who will complete the cycle of the American Nightmare.

Report this
OzarkMichael's avatar

By OzarkMichael, October 27, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

There are now two distinct sets of rules for political movements.

On the one side we have Tea party people who play by the rules. We paid fees that the city assessed on us for gathering. Those fees were apparently to cover the cost of increased police overtime and I dont know what else. We paid up front.

On the other side we have the “99%” people who righteously Occupy this or that space. As far as I know they dont apply for permits. I suspect they require a lot more clean-up and a lot more police overtime than we ever generated. And how much does the Occupy person pay the city? I have a feeling that they arent paying much.

Surely this makes sense from an Occupation point of view, since they are doing something that they consider to be vitally important. They are standing up for an important cause.

Now I must beg your pardon! What we were doing is important too. I know you dont like it, but in a normal democracy different movements get treated with the same rules. We ought to be playing on a level playing field. Yes?

It is bad enough that the MSM is so meek to overlook your bad players while ferreting out ours. It is bad enough that in conversations our worst is broadcast as if it represents us all, while your worst is edited out since it was just some “random person” and not the “true” Occupation. It is bad enough that in arguments you have completely lost all objectivity, judging us with one standard but having apparently no standard to judge yourselves. You are able to paper it all over with long tirades and hateful accusations of my motives.

Yet I absolutely insist on equality, and although you are tired of me saying that, i think it is more important than any issue we could argue about. In fact, i almost never get to the height of arguing about issues, I am always fighting just to figure out what rules you guys are playing by. They arent the same rules that you apply to me, I have learned that.

So, unfortunately, equality proves impossible to achieve against the soft prejudice of media coverage and discussions on Truthdig.

But when it comes to something you can count, something purely objective, there is no room to argue. Money is completely and coldly objective.

Now to the point: I want the same deal from the city that the Occupiers are getting. I want the same hourly rate, which will soon be public information that everyone can see.

If it turns out that the Occupy people dont have to pay, but the Tea Party people had to pay, that is an inequality that cant be papered over with your supposedly evolved, supposedly superior ideology. It just is. We pay, but you dont. In that case I want a refund of the fees we were charged.

We will request equal standing before the city governments.

If the city will not give us the same rate they give to you, we will go over their heads and bring lawsuits against the city. Some cities charged the Tea Party an arm and a leg for the space and time.We want our money back.

The myth that the Koch brothers pay for everything the Tea Party does is a lie. We paid for the permits out of our own pockets.

It is not possible for us to obtain equality from those who hate us and what we stand for. There are too many privileges that you enjoy, and i have learned that you wont surrender them. But it should be possible to achieve equality from the courts in the one matter that supposedly the Occupiers feel so strongly is unfair to them: money. Although in fact they recieve for free what the rest of us have to pay for.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 3:29 pm Link to this comment

fpoober—-wealth disparity is indeed huge and is continuing. but what the heck
does that really mean as long as the protesters are not only living comfortable
lives but are eating well and for free and are, in NYC,  talking about how to
divvy up the half million donated bucks that they’ve gotten?


as long as you’re living fat and dry and typing on your laptop, talking on your
cellphone and sleeping warm in a free sleeping bag, what does it avail you to
bitch about other people being REALLY rich?

I knda remember the major league baseball players going on strike because
they were only making millions of dollars and the owners were all billionaires.

Report this

By mike, October 27, 2011 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

“Once more it is proven that Ronald Reagan was the worse President this
country ever had.  Add his deregulation policies, the removal of the Carter
automobile MPG guidelines and the incredible deficit spending (voodoo
economics) and he was the main reason behind the current woes.

Why is no Democrat picking up on this? “

Well, perhaps the reason that no Democrat is picking up on this is because the
Democrats were the ones who were primarily responsible for what happened
during the Reagan administration, and Democrats (especially liberals) seem
incapable of ever taking responsibility for their actions. You refer to national
deficits. It is the House of Representatives who are responsible for the budget,
and hence are responsible for the deficits. Throughout all 12 years of Reagan-
Bush I the Democrats had solid control of the House, and control of the Senate
during the last 6 years. There is no simply no question whatsoever that the
Democrats had more than enough votes to block virtually everything Reagan
did, and that they are primarily responsible for what happened. To suggest
otherwise is simply to lie. Hopefully people will wake up someday and realize
just how corrupt and hypocritical and elitist this party is, and what
extraordinary damage they have done and are doing to this country. The
Republicans are garbage, there’s no doubt, but over the past 30 years they
simply have not had the votes necessary to put through their agenda. What they
did was done in collusion with the liberals, who actually were the leaders.

For Scheer to suggest that all of this has happened during the past 30 years is
dishonest. It began long before that, and it was the Kennedy administration
that was the turning point. If you want to know why the government no longer
does anything for the people you might want to consider the support of
Democrats for elitist politicians who openly tell people “Ask not what the
government can do for you.” That’s when the problem began.

Report this

By Morpheus, October 27, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

I blame the people in this country more than the banks, our government and the rich. We are so full of ourselves and so busy doing nothing we allowed this to happen just like we are allowing it to continue. Soon we will be forced to stand up and fix a huge mess thats going to cost us all and especially our kids.

FIGHT THE CAUSE - NOT THE SYMPTOM
OsiXs (Revolution 2.0 - The Smart Revolution)

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

ardee——despite having spent more than a decade collecting food for local food
pantries…..I damn do NOT know that

“Are you aware that 1/6 of our population suffers from hunger?”


that’s an utterly bullshit figure for the US population———


I think maybe you’re taking a figure for the world and misapplying it here.

Report this

By fpoober, October 27, 2011 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment

@heterochromatic
True the wealth per capita of the US is high compared to the rest of the world, however it is the wealth disparity within a nation that determines standards of living, unrest, healthcare, etc. 

Wealth disparity is higher in the US than in almost any other industrialized nation.

See this presentation by Richard Wilkinson for more:
http://www.ted.com/talks/richard_wilkinson.html

Report this

By ardee, October 27, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

heterochromatic, October 27 at 2:28 pm


None so blind, perhaps. Do you judge the universe by the standards of your own tiny experience. Perhaps those neighbors, affluent though they may be, actually have a conscience. Maybe you should find one on sale and buy it?

Are you aware that 1/6 of our population suffers from hunger?

In 2009, the number of billionaires increased from 793 to 1,011, and their aggregate wealth increased by a stunning 50% – their aggregate wealth increased by 50% during the most devastating economic crisis since the Great Depression. Their aggregate wealth increased from $2.4 trillion, to $3.6 trillion, during the most devastating economic crisis since the Great Depression. The economic top 1% of the population now controls an all time record 70% of all financial assets.

The inequality of wealth in the United States between the economic top half of one percent and the remaining 99.5% of the US population is now at an all-time high.

We currently have 50 million US citizens living in poverty. The United States now has the highest poverty rate in the industrialized world.

50% of US children, one out of every two American children, will use a food stamp to eat during their childhood. 50% of US children will use a food stamp to eat during their childhood.

In the past two years, Americans have lost $5 trillion from their pensions and savings. They have also lost $13 trillion in the value of their homes.

Personal Bankruptcies are skyrocketing, and 60% of the bankruptcies are due to medical bills. And 75% of the medical bankruptcies that are filed, are filed by people who have health care insurance. And the new health bill just passed will do little, if anything at all, to help these people. Analysis of the new bill shows it will do little to reduce costs, as insurance rates continue to rise.

In fact, 45,000 Americans die preventable deaths every single year simply because they cannot afford medical care. That is equivalent to 15 9/11 attacks every single year. 45,000 Americans die preventable deaths every year simply because they cannot afford medical care. This is equivalent to 15 9/11 attacks each year.

http://ampedstatus.com/as-the-middle-class-collapses-and-the-american-poverty-rate-soars-the-economic-elite-have-never-had-it-better-audio-transcript/

I think you need a wider vision prior to making determinations.

Report this

By heterochromatic, October 27, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

——Between 1979 and 2007, as the Congressional Budget Office reported this
week, the average real income of the top 1 percent grew by an astounding 275
percent.——-


Scheer, there certainly a lot of pig-rich folks in the USA, but most all of us
Americans are damned well off compared to the rest of the world.

despite a 10% drop, median household income is still near $50,000/annum for
Americans…....

that’s something to bear in mind when folks are bs-ing about some mythical
99%.


in my neighborhood, I’m seeing that “WE are the 99%” sign in the window of the
house next door…..bought with a $200,000 down payment and a half-million
dollar mortgage.

the kid in the house gets driven to his private school in one of the two new
family cars

Report this

By philipw, October 27, 2011 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

It’s to Sheer’s credit he has joined the group that is past the book burning stage.  Hopefully the truth will appear, the truth will out, there is a truth.

Report this

By diamond, October 27, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

How disgraceful that this young man came back from Iraq unscathed only to have his head fractured by his own police force. A force that is supposed to protect him from criminals. As things stand the police are acting as standover thugs for the rich and reckless. As they have throughout US history:

Charles A. Reich in ‘The Greening of America’ sees poignancy in the fact that those ‘who fled the monarchies of Europe had only a few decades of freedom before they were conquered by a set of autocrats wielding, if anything, greater power than the old’. This is what transformed America from a place dedicated to individual freedom to a place of conformity and a form of serfdom. As Reich sees it the ‘real socialists, collectivizers, subversives…the enemies of the American way, the spoilers, the uprooters of tradition and the killers of the American dream’ were Vanderbilt, Harriman and Ford. They destroyed democracy and created a new managerial order, ‘a hierarchy of power and privilege that replaced communal values with anti-social ‘success’ and with inhuman science’.  To avoid having this acknowledged, discussed or dealt with, untruth became a necessity and ‘The politician was elected who painted the most untrue picture of America…’.

There has been a vehement return to seeing the ills of industrialization and corporatism as ‘moral problems’ – a question of failure of the individual worker to try hard enough, instead of admitting that in a system that is inhuman and immoral and essentially corrupt, individuals must struggle merely to survive, instead of contributing to the full extent of their intelligence and ability. And this has to occur so that the richest 1% of the population can become even richer.

In the Corporate State the pursuit of money and of profit eventually becomes the only moral good: ‘It is a society which is entirely indifferent to human values, which can be wholly irrational, which can indeed make destructive war on its own people’ as Reich puts it. And there are plenty of examples of that. Police violence against peaceful protesters is as American as apple pie:

‘In January, 1874, in New York City a huge parade of workers kept by the police from approaching City Hall, went to Tompkins Square and there were told by the police that they couldn’t have the meeting. They stayed, and the police attacked. One newspaper reported: ‘Police clubs rose and fell. Women and children ran screaming in all directions. Many of them were trampled underfoot in the stampede for the gates. In the street bystanders were ridden down and mercilessly clubbed by mounted officers.’ From ‘A People’s History of the United States’, Howard Zinn.

The rich and irresponsible at bay is a disgusting sight. None of these protesters are armed and those throwing bottles were probably agent provocateurs since their actions allowed the police to both attack and claim they were attacked. It certainly wouldn’t be the first time.

Report this
PeopleOVERgreed's avatar

By PeopleOVERgreed, October 27, 2011 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

I believe it is well understood that the GOP montra of less government regulation, smaller government and tax reduction is all part of the corporate state starving the beast to cement more control over the political system. In tandem with a dumbing-down of voters to the point of rage without rationalization.

As it stands today, the American voter is for all intent and purposes impotent and mute as far as the political class is concerned. With polls showing the public seeking one direction the politicians do an abrupt 180 degrees. While blaming their subserveance to the corporate state on wedge issues and ideology to passify the voters.

Fox news exist solely to divide the nation so the corporate state can use the emotional discourse to actually have members of the Republican Party unwittenly fooled into voting against their own self-interests. We saw this in the Tea Party where signs saying keep your government hands off my Medicare during the health-care debate. Indicated a fundamental lack of true understanding with high levels of anger, missdirected by Dick Amey, Freedom Works, Sarah (the tool) Palin and the Koch brothers.

If nothing else, the Occupy Wall Street will serve to educate the next generation of voters and leaders. The question remains, can America wait that long?

Report this

By objective observer, October 27, 2011 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

waiting for the first snowflake to fall.  these OWS crybabies will run home to mommy.

Report this

By gerard, October 27, 2011 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

Not surprising to hear that those who threw bottles at the police in Oakland and started a confrontation were a group of people acting without the consensus of the majority of Occupiers.  According to accounts of people on site, their actions were an insistent agitation to invite violence.
  Of course the incident will be used to try to quell the Occupiers movement by betraying their nonviolent efforts in behalf of the 99%. Provocateurs will try to “take over” any social movement from within, solely in order to undermine it.
  If there is a deep investigation of this incident, it will be very important to learn whether symptoms of PTSD coming from previously traumatized individuals had any bearing on this incident. Throughout modern “culture” there has been so much brain-washing for so long in the use of violence, and so little training in how to resist violence, that PTSD symptoms are quite likely to be a hidden factor, lying below consciousness ready to erupt into destructive behavior and not easily recognized beforehand.

Report this
drbhelthi's avatar

By drbhelthi, October 27, 2011 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

That which we refer to as “capitalism” and the anti-justice, judicial
system that currently is used to suppress Americans and citizens of
other allegedly “democratic” nations, are only symptoms.  The symptoms
are similar to the numerous morphological stages of the parasite,
Trichina.  The Russian, female scientist Tamara Lebedeva and
associates found a close relationship between Trichina and cancer.
When her physician friends removed all morphed forms of Trichina from
patients, cancer presently disappeared - along with other serious
illnesses.  The current morphological stage of infection of the USGOV
reflects untreated, parasitic development over many years.  Numerous
“social physicians” have called it to the attention of Americans, and
were labelled as Conspiracy Theorists, essentially by the parasites
who infected America with the illness.  Just as allopathic medicine
and physicians kill the patient instead of cancer, their equivalent in
USGOV is killing the U.S., while promising “ our best.”  An accurate
chronology of the parasites and the illness, which continues to infect
and kill the U.S.A., is presented at the following link. 
http://www.crossroad.to/Excerpts/chronologies/un.htm

The Reese Committee of the U.S. Congress, headed by Congressman Norman
Dodd, discovered the imbedded hosts of the illness in the 1950s,
located at the heart of USGovernment.  The Reese Committee report
brought the treason to the attention of the U.S. Congress and
Americans.  At that time, the parasites conveying the illness
distracted from the report and covered up the truth, while infecting
members of Congress, until currently, both major parties have divested
themselves of their original oaths and functions. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqyRAxW-uOg

Report this
Flickford's avatar

By Flickford, October 27, 2011 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

When the teargas canister was fired into the face veteran soldier Scott Olsen, the
corporation as person by proxy, pulled the trigger. Olsen’s mom’s statement says
Scott’s message is to hold the banks accountable for destroying the lives of
Americans for their crimes of fraud, and to protest the injustice of them being
bailed out by American taxpayers. Blankfein, Dimon, Moynihan and the rest of the
banking cartel are personally responsible for every rubber bullet, beanbag, and
teargas canister fired at protestors exercising their rights to free speech and
public assembly, after all - corporations are people now. How long will the police
officers who are part of the 99% continue to suffer job-loss and cutbacks before
they join the Occupy Movement and stop performing criminal duties as banking
cartel mafia enforcers?

Report this
Blueokie's avatar

By Blueokie, October 27, 2011 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

It isn’t voter apathy.  Remember in ‘06, the Dim-ocrats promised to end the
ridiculous Bush wars of Empire and military privatization if given the purse
strings with a majority in the House, which they were given.  Approximately 15
seconds after they were sworn in, Bush got in front of a microphone and
announced we were doubling down on Iraq, the Dims immediately acquiesced. 
The narrative for the next two years became if only we had 60 Dims in the
Senate and the Presidency we could get this Country back on track.  In ‘08 the
choice came down to Obama and “Keystone” Hillary, the people chose Obama
because his rhetoric was inspiring and Hillary had a record, along with Bubba of
collusion with the elite and the Repugs.  Does anyone remember Keystone
Hillary’s 180 on the draconian bankruptcy reform once she became the Senator
from Wall Street or her “I’m the biggest hawk in the Senate” routine?  For that
matter does anyone remember how hard Obama worked to get “Independent”
Joe Liebermann re-elected?  All during the campaign the narrative about Obama
was the “internet” movement and the millions of small donors making this
possible.  Of course soon after the election it became clear that that was all BS
and he had been Wall Streets choice all along.  This was evident as soon as he
took office when his e-mail list that was supposed to make his term inclusive
was turned over to the DNC for fund raising and ignored otherwise.  He
immediately adopted the usual top down style, brought in all the old Wall Street
hacks and favorites he could muster (Geithner, Summers, Rubin, etc. etc. etc.)
and with the Repugs set about to make Wall Street whole and shield them from
consequence.  As a distraction, he took Dole’s old unacceptable health-care
“reform”, ran it through the Heritage Foundation to insure there was nothing to
progressive in it, got the OK from Pharma and the Insurance industries, and
blew off most of the next year or so with the drama of “Death Panels”, while
things deteriorated for the rest of the country and the elites laughed all the way
to the bank.  All the while expanding every policy of Bush he villainised during
the campaign.  He’s been great for his Wall Street investors, horrid on the
environment, civil liberties, workers rights, and any number of issues.  I clearly
remember an interview with Axelrod in the ‘10 elections when asked about
Progressive voter unhappiness and possible “apathy” his reply was, “Of course
they’re going to vote for us, what choice do they have?”.  Perhaps its finally
dawning on the population that when you split a pile of steaming dung into two
boxes, one red, the other blue, that isn’t really a choice and insults the idea of
elections and democracy.  In the future let’s stop referring to them as the Bush
tax cuts for the rich and call them what they are, the Obama tax cuts for the
rich.

Report this

By socalsek, October 27, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

WOW!  I just watch Big Brother in action.  I was at the
NYTimes website, looking for any OWS articles because
they are NEVER front page action and came across the
article “Cities Begin Cracking Down on ‘Occupy’
Protests” and the first line of the article went from
“After weeks of “putting up with” the teeming round-
the-clock protestors…” to “After weeks of cautiously
accepting the teeming round-the-clock protests spawned
by Occupy Wall Street” (within seconds).  THIS is the
coverage they are giving OWS.  They are trying to
justify the shooting of the Iraq War Veteran.

Report this
screamingpalm's avatar

By screamingpalm, October 27, 2011 at 11:10 am Link to this comment

By chacaboy, October 27 at 10:19 am

The Occupy movement shows masses of people can be motivated.  Surely it is not
thought that simply expounding on a blog is helping matters, is it?

Touché Shenonymous…I thinks yer right.

Unless you or She were getting arrested in Oakland, well I’d say it’s perfectly acceptable.

Report this
IMax's avatar

By IMax, October 27, 2011 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

“The Occupy ‘protests’ (not quite a movement yet) shows masses of people can be motivated.”

-

500,000 people in one day is a display of a burgeoning movement.

I think the Tea Party showed us two years past that masses of people can be motivated. That true movement effected an entire election cycle all across the country. Even today, years later, the Tea movement continues to effect state and national legislation.

We can hope the OWS protests grows into a true ‘movement’. 70,000 turning out in support is not a movement.

Report this

By Basoflakes, October 27, 2011 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

Well, Ronnie, there you go again.

Once more it is proven that Ronald Reagan was the worse President this country ever had.  Add his deregulation policies, the removal of the Carter automobile MPG guidelines and the incredible deficit spending (voodoo economics) and he was the main reason behind the current woes.

Why is no Democrat picking up on this?  All the GOP candidates fall back on the deity of Reagan.  If you cut this head of the snake off, they have absolutely no where to turn.

Report this
caped amigo's avatar

By caped amigo, October 27, 2011 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

I think truthdig is very generous to publish the comment of philipw. Robert Scheer is a giant of a humanitarian, and you, philipw are a pea-brain.
I’m grateful for the freedom of speech most often, but demagoguery should be penalized. You listening philipw?

Report this

By felicity, October 27, 2011 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Prior to 1980, roughly, as productivity increased wages
increased.  For the last 30 years any increase in
productivity has been accompanied by a decrease in
wages - except at the top of the income ladder which
had very little if anything to do with the increase in
productivity. 

Any ‘good’ Republicans out here want to justify what
seems to defy reason?

Report this

By ElkoJohn, October 27, 2011 at 10:40 am Link to this comment

Occupy Oakland needs our support. I am taking my football helment, gas mask and ear protection to Oakland this weekend. We need to flood the streets of Oakland until the police and mayor apologize for seriously injuring an Iraq war veteran, and agree to act lawfully according to the US Constitution—sincerely, a veteran of the American war in Vietnam.

Report this

By chacaboy, October 27, 2011 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

The Occupy movement shows masses of people can be motivated.  Surely it is not
thought that simply expounding on a blog is helping matters, is it?

Touché Shenonymous…I thinks yer right.

Report this

By Anthony, October 27, 2011 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The wealthy/greedy overreached, and continue to do so.  A full-scale revolution is only a matter of time as the Democratic Party—traditionally a release valve for the working class and a check, albeit a feeble one, against an all-out assault on egalitarianism by proponents of neo-liberal economics—abdicated its responsibilities in order to chase big campaign cash donations (i.e., bribes) from corporations and wealthy individuals.  Unfortunately, it’s going to get ugly as more people realize that their interests will not be represented no matter who wins an election in our rigged system.

Report this

By philipw, October 27, 2011 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

Scheer is an elite with a grandiose inflated ego who views himself as a savior of the people against the big bad wolfs.  He does us a service in helping to inform us of the wrongs of Wall Street, but a great wrong in supporting the counterfeit home buying cohorts of the housing fiasco without which the bubble could not have occurred.  It was primarily a feeding frenzy of greed by an immature and easily influenced pack of sharks and investors wanting something for nothing.  Many of these had less money in the counterfeit house than a renter does in first, last, and rent.  This was all bubble funny money.  It was get loans on all your housing equity and consume a bunch of toys with bubble funny money to keep the enviornment and people destroying greed system going.  All a pack of sharks with the morality of a pea and the maturity of a compliant slave.  They could not afford these houses and they destroy them leaving the costs to buying hopefuls who lack repair funds. When the bubble burst, it was a movement to justice and reality.  Those mature and honest hopeful homebuyers now had a chance to finally buy a home at its real value after being taxed and made slaves to these greedy immature phony homebuyers.  In supporting its wrongs the government has done all it can to keep prices up and these immature pigs in houses they should get out off (there are a minority who were just stupid and easily influenced and might have had some money in the game, but still should not be bailed out at the expense of the honest and moral who did not play this game).  The governmnet,the phony home buyers, and wall street were a trio in the crime.  And here comes Scheer supporting this crime, by supporting the criminal home buyers.  His moral black hole comes from his hate of Wall Street and his inflated ego as the protector of the people when in fact he becomes a partner to the crime.  The honest, mature, and hopeful homebuyers who want to honest buy a house at its real value are still trying to achieve this goal.  Unfortunately they are ignored, marginalized, and despondent. Hopefully Occupy Wall Street has a better head and morality than Scheer and can ignore such wrong headed thinking.  We won’t have a good society until mature people develop with democracy from the bottom up without the distortion of elites like Scheer.

Report this

By Jim Yell, October 27, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

I remember quite well during the Reagan years how some people in the entertainment news business began to praise greed and lust as virtues. The fact that these people were largely from the camp that believes that religion should be forced upon us all, should have made people pull away. Unfortunately there is a Romance attached to the idea of Chaos and on the other side extreme order. That these two conflicting goals are embodied in the right wing political parties is to say the lest odd. Libertarians and Free Capitalism, unregulated Capitalism all pulling together to impoverish everyone but the powerful and the sad thing is there are so many followers who will follow any “asshole” that is in front of them.

As Mark Twain said, “do you think god made the monkey because he was disappointed in humanity?”

Report this

By RaySunshine, October 27, 2011 at 10:06 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

In response to Leefeller’s objection to my earlier post,I did not say that He personally deserved the government we have today.  But “dumbed-down” voters who elect the like’s of former Acting President George W. Bush got exactly what they deserved. 

Unfortunately we who voted against him may have not deserved the consequences of his actions, but we didn’t get-out the vote necessary to defeat him.  Will we be faint of heart in the upcoming election as well?

Class Warfare has always been declared by the Rich, whose appetites are insatiable.  The Iraq war was not about al Qaeda, as the Republican neo-cons had been planning that war even before 9-11.  It was a means to transfer wealth to Bush supporters - a form of “war profiteering” to benefit the Rich.

We 99% still have access to the plans for erecting a guillotine!
 
Vive La France!  Liberte, Egalite & Fraternite!

Report this

By Devon J. Noll, MPA, October 27, 2011 at 10:04 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Okay, so we know the problems.  We know we are getting the life beaten out of ourselves and our nation by the top 1%.  We have people in cities across the country protesting.  What do not have is people stepping up and running for Congress as Independent, Non-Affiliated (INA) candidates, and until we have those we have nothing.  Until we have control of Congress we cannot change anything.  Until we have a platform of policies and programs that people can run on, we have nothing. 

You can find a platform at http://www.weeeevoteamerica2012.org.  You can find suggestions on how to run as a candidate there as well.  You can find a book that will spell it all out for you, all you have to do is actually do it - RUN FOR OFFICE IN 2012.  We will not have anything in the future if we do not battle these people on their turf, and that means in the halls of power - Congress and state legislatures, not the White House and not governor’s mansions, but in the People’s Houses where are laws and liberties are written and protected.  We were founded to be a nation of free people who governed themselves, not serfs in an autocratic society.  We fought for that freedom over 200 years ago, and it is time to do so again.  Our weapons must be truth to our people and votes in ballot boxes across this nation.  This means campaigning face-to-face, in people’s homes, churches, schools, civic groups, town halls, not with expensive ads on TV, but with videos on YouTube or using Twitter and Facebook to get you message out to the young people.  It means standing for something, not just fighting against anything that seems to attract voters.  Forget the family values issues for now - they are distractions.  Focus on the real, the important issues - jobs, taxes, accountability, education, the environment, ending the wars that are bankrupting this nation.  Focus on these and offer real, workable solutions - and listen to the voters.  Take back this nation by actually giving its people a real say in how it is governed.  That is what is needed, not just protests and signs of complaints. 

If we as a people are going to actually create the kind of nation we not only want, but need, we must be the ones to do so.  If we are to lead the world, then we must first clean up our own house, and that means changing the government from the top down.  We must do this in 2012.  We have no choice and we have no more time to waste.  So find out what your state requires for you to run for Congress and for state legislatures in 2012, and get going.  The nation needs you to act, not just protest, but actually act to change the way we rule.  It is the one thing we have in class warfare that the 1% do not have - we have numbers and it is the numbers that will win if we actually work at it. 

Keep an eye on YouTube - I plan on acting and I hope others will join me.  Check for it on November 6, 2012. I will not ask of you what I am not willing to do myself.

Report this
Artsy's avatar

By Artsy, October 27, 2011 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

Say goodbye Miss American Pie! 

Greed is BANKSTERS and corporations and corrupt politicians who think we will wither away and just let this whole revolt pass if they hurt us a little bit! They are terribly wrong and so are the stupid cops who wrap their manhood into brutality! They can also kill us and that will most likely happen before this is all over. The wealth will be guarded at all costs. The country may be over but our new owners will imprison us and destroy our lives before they will allow us to take it back.

All the bankster and corporate $%@$$%&%)%$$‘s need to be taken down. Every single penny stolen from us should be repaid and every single one of them should be jailed.

BofA just sold my fixed rate first mortgage once again to an apparently sleazy company called Green Tree. They just make up new rules as they go along to screw people further and our equally corrupt government looks the other way. Read about Green Tree on the Internet. BoA kept my “so called Home Equity Line of credit” which I still owe the same amount I started paying on in 2005. It is like owing the freaking mafia - none of the balance ever goes away. For the life of me, I really can’t understand how the stinking laws of this county apply to us but not the banks and the crooked politicians who are on the take for blood money to get themselves elected over and over.

The cops should be halted by executive order from hurting non-violent protesters. THERE SHOULD BE ZERO TOLERANCE OF POLICE BRUTALITY - PERIOD. If Obama continues to allow this then he must be a player who is in on it.

Obama wasted no time suing states that passed laws to keep illegals out of their states by stopping them from protecting themselves. Criminal charges should be brought against Eric Holder for arming the Mexican drug gangs with our money! DISGUSTING CORRUPTION COUPLED WITH GREED AND POWER IS THE REAL WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. It is taking us to a New Globalist society headed by war mongers and corporate greed.

Say goodbye Miss American Pie and to a clean environment, and to your ability to support yourself, and to your pride in America, and to your lifestyle, and to the truth and to your freedom! Say goodbye to everything you hold dear. Say BYE BYE Miss American Pie or stand up and fight for our beloved country. Do it NOW or forever hold your peace. This is it. This is your last chance.

Report this

By gerard, October 27, 2011 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

Perhaps controlling the guns is not as important as controlling the consciences, the hopes and dreams, the insistent drive in the human psyche to “do the right thing” even when everybody else is doing all the wrong things.

This is the ancient awareness of “free will” behind all the ancient and present attempts to squelch it, kill it, put it behind bars, avoid looking it in the eye.

The human urge to grow up to be human is probably indestructible.  Ergo, Occupy Peace, Occupy Mercy. Occupy Justice, Occupy Self Government, Occupy Democracy.

Report this
Shenonymous's avatar

By Shenonymous, October 27, 2011 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

To say the populous is politically apathetic is patronizing.  Apathy
is caused by any number of things that have numbed the thinking of
those members of the population being accused of mindless inaction. 
Not being born with an apathetic gene, they have learned to not care. 
This could be from teaching in the family, or feeling the effect of their
society’s exploitation of them, butting one’s head against an
impermeable wall to make a decent life, having to spend all one’s
exhausting time at it.  To blame or find fault in an entire population
for apathy is an idle criticism. 

Suggestion, instead of sitting comfortably in an office chair (or whatever)
at a nice well-engineered, affordably costly, computer preaching, start
teaching directly to the voting hoi polloi.  The Occupy movement shows
masses of people can be motivated.  Surely it is not thought that simply
expounding on a blog is helping matters, is it?

Report this

By caren, October 27, 2011 at 9:14 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

What this all makes me want to say to people is to start asking “When do we
get our Constitution back?” Seriously, when will constitutional arguments
be allowed again? After the endless war in terror? Do our simple fools in
this country REALLY think using national security to trump constitutional
rights is temporary? And was that really a good idea? Right to privacy, right
to free speech, innocent until proven guilty, right to confront your accuser,
all these rights and more are being ROUTINELY denied. Temporarily?
Wasn’t Egypt under emergency law for over thirty years?
No. No more. We want our constitution back, and FISA too.

Please, ask people. Make them think about it. When do we get our
Constitution back?

Report this

By Pete619, October 27, 2011 at 9:00 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The current crisis in this country is typically and wrongly addressed in financial terms. At best, it is also viewed as an unequal application of the rule of law, ( which is a definition of tranny). I believe that first, it should be recognized as a crime agaisnt humanity. We have, in this country, a pay or die health care system. Of course, this in itself is despicable but, this is the current reality. Considering that, how many deaths since the economy crashed can be ultimately atributed to the wall street criminals. 25 million people out of work, millions more under-employed, all of them, and their families, without access to health care. Somewhere between 20K and 50K (depending on who’s numbers you read) people die in this country every year because they don’t have access to health care. How many of those people would still be alive if the Wall St. criminal didn’t knowingly wreck our economy for their own personal gain? Then, after personally causing the destruction of our economy which in turn, directly lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of their fellow americans these “people” fly off scot free in their corporate jets with their pockets stuffed with our money. The Obama administration’s answer is, a tiny fine that the stockholders will pay for and full retroactive immunity with no admission of guilt. And even at this the mainstream corporate media can’t quite figure out why these people have taken to the streets, amazing!

Report this

By chacaboy, October 27, 2011 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Many thanks to Robert Scheer who has stayed on message in Truthdig, but also on
Left, Right and Center from the beginning with an uncanny discipline,
determination and grasp of the facts. I wholly agree that the protests so far have
been mild in comparison to the measure of greed and decline we have watched for
the past twenty years. The only thing that worries me is why it took so long. There
are clear-cut, specific ways this can be fixed that will not come from Obama or
anyone else in Washington, soooooooo let’s get on with it. End illegal wars and
occupations, stop coal-fired power, restore Glass Seagall, raise the capital gains
tax, end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, enforce the right to quality education,
no more for-profit health care.

Report this

By Joseph, October 27, 2011 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Them or you?
Choose wisely my friends.

Report this
Anarcissie's avatar

By Anarcissie, October 27, 2011 at 8:07 am Link to this comment

Class is war.  However, not much is accomplished by talking about greed.  Almost everyone wants more stuff than someone else thinks they ought to want, which is all that greed means.  What you want to talk about is power.  Why are we giving up so much power to elites?  How can we take it back?  When are we going to do something about it?

As for third, or second parties, it’s not up to OWS to start one for you.  Start or find one yourself.  They’ve done their job; now you do yours.

Report this
prisnersdilema's avatar

By prisnersdilema, October 27, 2011 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

Amerika has become a third world police state…. How can this be doubted, with so many millions behind bars. So many crippled, people wasting away their lives, sucking up drugs, and garbage sold by the media.

Just as children have imaginary friends, police states have imaginary enemies. Who come to their aid, in order to crush dissent, and any possibility of change.  The real enemies of the plutocracy are the people, and they know it. 

The government, sells cosmetic change, as the dissolution of America continues.. Mexican trucks roll across the border bringing dope, killing hope, further casting the under class into the bottomless pit of slavery, as their jobs leave the country.

Soon children will be vaccinated for Anthrax, to see if the Vaccine works? But how will they tell?

The Agenda of the plutocracy progresses, regardless of what is said and done by the people, because the soulless government is owned.  And they don’t care who they have to kill to get their way.

Some people understand the future that awaits them if they obey. But, they are not afraid.  And Courage in the face of terror, is an unbeatable weapon. 

These are the children of people, who fought and died for freedom at Anzio, Normandy, and at the Battle of the Buldge, and the the Trenches of France in world War One, ....Whose ancestors, held of Ghengis Khan, and defended Europe with Pikes, for generations…while the rich, scheme and drink Brandy in Conneticut..Wall street are traitors… and should be dragged into the streets by their hair…

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 27, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

RS: Our system has devolved into a “Plutocracy” where corporate wealth and religious bigots have more, and disproportionate,input and influence in government.

Yes, but that’s whose fault?

We are a politically apathetic people. Except - obviously - when unemployment gets above 9%. Our voter turnout is historically shameful. (See here. On the “Turnout” button, click on the down button to get the ranking from bottom to top.)

We became Fat, Dumb and Happy with the status quo - until the fit-hit-the-shan in 2008. We had elected and reelected a Bush Administration that spent a trillion dollars over in the sandbox and neutered market oversight which brought us the SubPrime Mess and the Great Recession.

Then fifty-two percent of voters decided to sit-out the midterms, sulking in a fit of pique directed at Obama, because he didn’t walk on water and get us out of the Deepest Economic Doodoo since the Great Depression. Thus letting the ultra-conservatives into the HofR.

Democracy is like a skill, use it or lose it.

Report this
Leefeller's avatar

By Leefeller, October 27, 2011 at 7:46 am Link to this comment

RaySunshine, your comment reminds me very much of some people who would say of a rape victim…. ‘She deserved to be raped by the way she was dressed’!

I remember a building contractor during a local meeting saying these following exact words in reply to the fact there was not enough water to support the building of any more houses! ....‘If people are stupid enough to not check out the situation, that is there problem’!  This seems the same attitude sponsored by the Republican candidates for president. Needless to say I have little respect for this contractor or the Republican candidates running for president. 

The 1 percent is real, the attitudes are the same, like Cane said, ‘If you do not have a job and your are poor, it is your own fault’. 

OWS seems to be calling attention on the long ignored abusive and inequalities despite the biased Mass Media still fighting to keep it otherwise, well hidden and maybe apathy will become less prevalent.

Inequality is real. Inequality is not my fault anymore than people who rape women because of how they perceive a women was dressed.

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 27, 2011 at 7:32 am Link to this comment

C1: A mass movement like OWS must come up with some goals and activities that a persisting organization with many members can participate in.

Hear, hear. Or read, read.

Well put. Let’s make the flavor last ...

Report this
Lafayette's avatar

By Lafayette, October 27, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

RS: it is not surprising that, as the CBO reports, “the compensation differential between the financial sector and the rest of the economy appears inexplicably large from 1990 onward.”

And it should not be surprising. The Finance Sector contributes about 70% of the profits generated by the American economy.

So, we can imagine very easily the Boardroom Plutocrats slurping at the profit-trough.

Slurp, slurp, slurp ... burrrrrrrpp!

Report this

By Counselor1, October 27, 2011 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

Every bill passed by Congress marks the temporary end of skirmishes in class warfare. And in every one the vastly outnumbered forces for workers and consumers lose ground.

A mass movement like OWS must come up with some goals and activities that a persisting organization with many members can participate in. Thus, such activities must be low risk. With winter coming on, it better be soon.

I propose as one, a political strategy of creating something called “Third Party.” Third Party would seek to elect non-establishment candidates that commit to only 2 objectives which straddle “far” left and right: 1)Cut off all funding for US military and nation “building” in Iraq and Afghanistan, including for contractors,and 2)democratizing the Federal Reserve so that a majority of its Directors (credit allocation policy makers!)shall be public interest worker and consumer citizens. Activists could recruit candidates, and conduct voter DE-REGISTRATION drives, seeking to get voters to change their registrations to independent, inform voters of the objectives of Third Party candidates, provide local candidates support events, etc.

Report this

By RaySunshine, October 27, 2011 at 6:45 am Link to this comment

Stop referring to our system today as a “Democracy” as that implies power is derived from the People.

Our system has devolved into a “Plutocracy” where corporate wealth and religious bigots have more, and disproportionate,input and influence in government.

We can only return power to the people by enacting a Constitutional Amendment which would limit political contributions to natural born constituents with no one person able to contribute more than 5% of total contributions to any single candidate.

Such an Amendment will never be advanced by a self-interested Congress, and must originate in the state legislatures at the behest of the People.

We have the government we deserve by reason of our inaction or action!

Report this

By Counselor1, October 27, 2011 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Every bill passed by Congress marks the temporary end of skirmishes in class warfare. And in every one the vastly outnumbered forces for workers and consumers lose ground.

A mass movement like OWS must come up with some goals and activities that a persisting organization with many members can participate in. Thus, such activities must be low risk.

I propose as one, a political strategy of creating something called “Third Party.” Third Party would have only 2 objectives which straddle “far” left an

Report this

By balkas, October 27, 2011 at 6:25 am Link to this comment

yes, i received lots of criticism from the Left [or ‘Left’=means socalled] when
i suggested palestinians resist massively and passively only, the conquest-
occupation of their lands by ashkenazim [an admixture of nonshemitic
peoples] mostly, or at least until, say, late 40s.

i suggest americans do that also even if wld take a century [hopefully not a
millennium, but who knows] to change things for better.

of course, even massive-passive resistance by pal’s wld have not, i thought
and still think, stopped world jewry-u.s-christian expansion of israel.


but pals wld have probably suffered much less had they solidified in a big
movement or even better yet in an unimental political party.

however, pals, saddled with islam and its vitiating ‘teachings’, splintered into
supremacistic groups [clergy, sybarites] equality builders, various
‘democrats’.

world jewry and mosheism knew how to exploit such enorm weakness; i.e.,
bitter and often bloody confrontation between diff pal’n groups. tnx

Report this

By doublestandards/glasshouses, October 27, 2011 at 6:03 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

Drug money propping up the big banks.  What are they not involved in?
http://www.democracynow.org

Report this

By Rixar13, October 27, 2011 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

“Those three decades of rampant upper-crust greed unleashed by the Reagan Revolution of the 1980s will be well marked by future historians recording the death of the American dream.”

Trickle down was a yellow bodily fluid….sigh

Report this

By balkas, October 27, 2011 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

can any protest in u.s involving even 50% of the pop restructure its structure of
society [now composed of at least 8 classes, many peoples, cults, sybarites,
meritocrats] and governance to a degree that wld please, say, 90% of americans
by then also having representation in congress, army echelons, judiciary, cia/fbi
orgs, police, media, schooling, etc., to match their numbers.

i wonder what wld a protest achieve [+strikes, boycotts, shaming, etc.] by, say,
80 to 95% of people?

a very peaceful/purposeful protest by just, say, 10% of americans, sybarites and
their army cld endure for decennia.

for at least 8k yrs for the sybaritic-jingoistic-meritocratic class of people, might
had always been right.

and that class of life had never been as strong econo-monetary-politico-military
than now. in u.s it is even stronger or much stronger than elsewhere.

people are mistaken in believing there is god [it is more likely goddevil out there
s’mwhere], truth, justice, law.
people had been taught to reify such labels.
but labels are not facts on the ground. not knowing that, people go on a hunt for
a snark every time they demand-seek justice/truth, etc.

the hell with that! i say seek power. power wld also include knowing and not just
controlling army, cia, fbi, etc.

because i think like this i have advised palestinians over the last two decades not
to violently oppose occupation of their lands.

partizan resistance did succeed. but let us recall that also other empires fought
germany and not just partizani.

thus they had more than a sliver of chance to succeed. pal’s don’t have even that
much of a chance to succeed to any degree. tnx b b vancouver

Report this
Shenonymous's avatar

By Shenonymous, October 27, 2011 at 5:39 am Link to this comment

Any success the uprisings in South America may have brought is
not really known yet.  It is still a volatile situation.  There are still
elites and the poor.  It will be years before the nations settle down
to see if the people have benefitted from their respective “rebellions.” 
The same is the case with all of the Arab spring revolutions.  It will
be a matter of who are chosen as leaders, or who appoints themselves
and whether or not their greed for wealth and power can be restrained.

Report this

By CracksInTheWall, October 27, 2011 at 5:21 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

The cracks in the wall of empire grow ever larger and louder, a
sad, slow decline for the imperial US system of governance,
finance, and perpetual war-mongering and profiteering, will
come to an end, due to inherent contradictions. Let the
American Fall begin.

Report this

By mainesongwriter, October 27, 2011 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)

You may enjoy this song, “GOUGE ‘EM ‘TILL THEY BLEED”,
from a songwriter who had over a dozen of his songs
featured on NPR’s “All Things Considered” in the 80’s.
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?
bandID=170140&songID=1156484

Report this

By zagostino, October 27, 2011 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

Curious how NPR identified “Iraq War Veteran Scott
Olsen” as just a “protester” on the radio this morning.

It’s just like when they interviewed Chris Hedges and
introduced him as an “Author” and not a “Pulitzer Prize
winning Author and former NYT reporter”

You have to wait till Democracy Now! is streamed at
0800 to get the real news…maybe with the new man in
charge of NPR news coming from Sesame Street, they will
start broadcasting more relevant news stories (sic)

Report this
Shenonymous's avatar

By Shenonymous, October 27, 2011 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

Provincially-driven thinking does not promise a better future for
Americans.  There really is no comparison between the United
States of North America and any South American country.  There
is only contrast.  The history of any one is completely different
than that of the other.  The ignorance of the ordinary people in
South America is from primitive tribal sources than just a lack of
education, which is the case in the USA.  While Americans have an
elite class, now euphemistically called the 1%ers, who use their
wealth in their business practices to dominate the 99%ers, the
99%ers are for the most part educated.  That’s what happens when
an educated class gets choked by unchecked greed.  That is precisely
why the Republicans want to obviate education and keep Americans
uninformed by feeding them lies and deceptions about what “they can
do for America.”  Oh yeah.  This protest will go on until changes are
made that equalizes the playing field between The Holders of the Purse
and The Economically Repressed.  It just ain’t going to go away.  It is
now a pernicious infection treatable only by drastic surgical changes in
the way this country and the financial industry operates.  All those who
are and who dream of being a politician shall have to beware of the
public for the people have realized their collective power and the
beast of the repressed is awakened.

Report this

By ardee, October 27, 2011 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

I rise to comment, not on the article, which is decent enough, but on the comments of Robespierre115, who is fast becoming a beacon of truth and seems to always nail the gist of the subject. Further, he always seems to point us in the right direction, or should I say correct direction.

Thank you for your contributions here.

Report this
Gloria Picchetti's avatar

By Gloria Picchetti, October 27, 2011 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

Americans lose their homes, don’t go to college, go without health care becaue Wall Street created new product; dirivatives of dirivatives.

Report this

By munky, October 27, 2011 at 1:25 am Link to this comment

Absolutely, Robert!! Would love to see you speak at one of the Occupies.

Report this
Robespierre115's avatar

By Robespierre115, October 27, 2011 at 12:54 am Link to this comment

This is again why we must learn from our brothers and sisters in South America. As Tariq Ali recently wrote in an excellent piece on the 99% protests:

“Unacceptable conditions lead to uprisings, which are then usually crushed or subside of their own accord. What is important is that they are often harbingers of what is yet to come if conditions remain the same. No movement can survive unless it creates a permanent democratic structure to maintain political continuity. The greater the popular support for any such movement the greater the need for some form of organisation.

The model South American rebellions against neo-liberalism and its global institutions are telling in this regard. Huge and successful struggles against the IMF in Venezuela, against water privatisation in Bolivia, and against electricity privatisation in Peru, created the basis for a new politics that triumphed at the polls in the former two countries as well as in Ecuador and Paraguay. Once elected, the new governments began to implement the promised social and economic reforms with varying degrees of success.”

Full article: 
http://tariqali.org/archives/2213

Report this

Page 2 of 2 pages  <  1 2

 
Monsters of Our Own Creation? Get tickets for this Truthdig discussion of America's role in the Middle East.
Right 1, Site wide - BlogAds Premium
 
Right Skyscraper, Site Wide
Right 2, Site wide - Blogads
 
Join the Liberal Blog Advertising Network
 
 
 

A Progressive Journal of News and Opinion   Publisher, Zuade Kaufman   Editor, Robert Scheer
© 2014 Truthdig, LLC. All rights reserved.

Like Truthdig on Facebook