With Fox news Roger Ailes suceeded in creating a rather scurrulous newscast, leaning more towards sensationalism than real news.  His credibility simply isn’t up to par.  With definite republicans such as vicious Bill O’Rieley at the helm of one of it’s most popular progtrams, it brings it down another notch or two.  Those who’re slamming Dionne for his observations live in the same pen with this pit bull.
I say bravo for the democrats!  It speaks of intelligence that they weren’t willing to put their heads on the chopping block for Aires’ anchors to lower the axe.  Why permit this extremists outfit to spill more democratic blood for the monster they uphold so diligently, so ignorantly?  Fox is the kind of news media that is helping to bring America to its’ knees and all who support it are among the pack.

#64701 by Stone777 on 4/17 at 9:51 pm
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To JNagarya:

You are percieved as a sad individual.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest.  Torture is a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

Until you give those who disagree with you some creedence, your hate will preceed you.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest, and denies you “credence”.  Torture is a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

Like many on the left, you insist on attacks instead of just disagreeing with policy.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest.  Torture is a policy which is a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

Do you actually believe that GWB is evil?  Do you actually live in that adversarial place all the time.  If you do, how sad.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest, and a defense of evil.  Torture is an evil and a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

To actually believe that those in power are evil to their core is beyond healthy.  Get a grip.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues in order to defend evil is intellectually dishonest.  Torture is an evil and a war crime which cannot be made legal by even Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

A healthy person can see the difference between CNN and Fox and know that although they both have different “perspectives” we should be able to make up our own minds.  Lay off the attacks.  It weakens you position and makes you seem like a left wing fanatic.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest—as is how you choose to “make up your mind”.  Torture is a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

On of the things that leberals used to represent was “Reason”.  Be reasonable.

I am not the issue.  And your personalizing in order to avoid the facts and issues is intellectually dishonest—unreasonable and irrational.  Law is reason refined: Torture is a war crime which cannot be made legal even by Congress, Executive, and Judiciary acting together.

Torture is a war crime as a matter of law, not of opinion.  It is without question, as a matter of law, not of opinion, the penalty for which under US Federal law being death, under our “system of laws, not of men” (John Adams), a High Crime.  As a matter of law, not of opinion, a High Crime is an impeachable offense.

Endeavoring to make me the issue in order to avoid those matters of law, not of opinion, is not only intellectually dishonest; it is also to choose to be morally complicit in that moral depravity.  As a matter of reason and fact, the ground on which you stand in that effort cannot be moral, howevermuch you persuade yourself to the opposite effect.

#64701 by Stone777 on 4/17 at 9:51 pm says:

“You are percieved as a sad individual. Until you give those who disagree with you some creedence, your hate will preceed you.  Like many on the left, you insist on attacks instead of just disagreeing with policy.  Do you actually believe that GWB is evil?  Do you actually live in that adversarial place all the time.  If you do, how sad.  To actually believe that those in power are evil to their core is beyond healthy.  Get a grip.  A healthy person can see the difference between CNN and Fox and know that although they both have different “perspectives” we should be able to make up our own minds.  Lay off the attacks.  It weakens you position and makes you seem like a left wing fanatic.  On of the things that leberals used to represent was “Reason”.  Be reasonable.”

You are joking right?  The left wing are the attack dogs who hate, and the right wing are the gentle lambs attempting to make nice?

Kenny Starr, Karl Rove, Tony Scalia,John Ashcroft and Dick Cheney singing “Give peace a chance?”

Give me a fucken break.

To JNagarya:

You are percieved as a sad individual. Until you give those who disagree with you some creedence, your hate will preceed you.  Like many on the left, you insist on attacks instead of just disagreeing with policy.  Do you actually believe that GWB is evil?  Do you actually live in that adversarial place all the time.  If you do, how sad.  To actually believe that those in power are evil to their core is beyond healthy.  Get a grip.  A healthy person can see the difference between CNN and Fox and know that although they both have different “perspectives” we should be able to make up our own minds.  Lay off the attacks.  It weakens you position and makes you seem like a left wing fanatic.  On of the things that leberals used to represent was “Reason”.  Be reasonable.

Are those the only two choices, Democrats or Idiots?

I’ll be damned, that’s the first rational explanation I’ve seen for Republicans.

#64415 by elle c on 4/16 at 4:51 pm claims:

”  In addition, $12 billion a year would provide education for every child on earth.”

Actually, 12 Billion a year translated to less than $5 a child per annum.

Although I agree wholeheartedly with your thought process, I must disagree with your math.

Here in the US where we are only 300 million within a population with an average age of 42, we spend over 10 Billion a year on education (at home and abroad) “Iran’s population is predominantly young 46 percent under age 15. The Average age is lower in some countries in Africa Egypt’s population (with 79 million people) has 32% of its reported population under the age of 14. India with a Billion people has an average age of 26 30.8% of chinese (1.5 Billion people total) are under 14. We’re talking about over 400 million children here in this one country alone.

and because we’re talking only about those under 14 (that’s the way the stats are set up) we are missing the college folks.

Near as I can tell (using my town’s cost for education) it would cost 3.1 TRILLION dollads to educate the world’s children. 

Thankfully the one good thing about these figures is this number pretty much excludes the idea that the USA can do this alone.

Re: #64233 by Concrete man on 4/15 at 4:24 pm
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“I’m sorry but this article misses the crtical issue: Activist Zionist ownership of the media. Yes, Murdoch is a Zionist fellow travelor, no doubt about it. Look at the list of Jews who own or write, produce mass media, and are at the very least sympathetic and manipulatable by the elite Zionist power structure, and you have a profound bias in the media much more important than the pseudo non differences between Republicans and Democrats (a range of debate about as wide as a fleas bum). See: Jeff Blankfort; Israel Shamir; Kevin MacDonald; James Petras. Have you heard of Haim Saban, media mogul who is a pro Israeli activist and owns heaps of TV stations in the US and abroad? How about a Mr. Zell who is buying the Chicago Tribune and used employees pension funds to put up the money? Nice folks.”
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Yup!  It’s those dirty, Zionist, Jews who are the real enemy in all of this.  (Never mind that most Jews happen to be socialist liberals).  They’re always to blame, for everything.  But wait, there are about 6 million of those buggers with enough nuclear bombs to defend themselves to the end of the Earth, literally.  Hmmmm!  What to do about that!

You know, come to think of it, it’s those god damn Irish that are the real problem . . . .

It is unfortunate that they are not participating. The fact that it is sponsored by Fox News would be an even greater incentive to attend, in my opinion. Just as Bill Clinton successfully slammed Fox News and the conservative propaganda campaign in his interview, Clinton, Obama and Edwards could’ve potentially changed a lot of the negative opinion surrounding them by participating. I would like to see the candidates speak of their platforms against one another soon. Some things I would like to be debated would be education, the Iraq war plan and mostly what the candidates would do to support the UN Millennium Development Goals to end poverty.

According to the Borgen Project, just $19 billion a year would end starvation and malnutrition, yet we hardly contribute to end starvation, choosing instead to fund a $340 billion (and rising) war campaign. In addition, $12 billion a year would provide education for every child on earth. Educational access is so important, here in the US too. I guess I’ll have to wait for the next debate!

“Concrete man on 4/15 at 4:24 pm
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I’m sorry but this article misses the crtical issue: Activist Zionist ownership of the media. Yes, Murdoch is a Zionist fellow travelor, no doubt about it. Look at the list of Jews who own or write, produce mass media, and are at the very least sympathetic and manipulatable by the elite Zionist power structure, and you have a profound bias….How about a Mr. Zell who is buying the Chicago Tribune and used employees pension funds to put up the money? Nice folks. “

Zionism: The Anti-Semites’ new “Jewish Conspiracy”, their new excuse to slaughter Jews yet again.  The Passover ritual tells us that every generation someone will rise again to try to eradicate the Jews.  Here we see that predicted someone…in this poster and in others.  Yet again the age-old lie that Jews control the finances and the media.  Bad news, bigots: Murdoch ain’t Jewish and NOBODY controls that evil bastard.

When are they going to drag out the blood libel again (they already spread it around in the Arab world)?

#63832 by Stone777 on 4/13 at 11:39 am
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It’s such a shame that the very people/party that used to stand unwaveringly for open forums and the absolute necessity to hear all sides to every issue, now call Fox news a “propaganda network”.  To think that the left is now calling the deliberate boycott of a cable news network (any cable news network), with a huge viewer ship, by politicians on the left is beyond comprehension and the pinnacle of hypocrisy.  What is the left thinking?  There are many of us who want the left to stand on proven principles, but avoiding Fox will ultimately make Democrats look weak and also make people on the right think that those very politicians don’t represent them.  It’s this very divisiveness that gives the right ammo to hate the left.  If this is a continuing strategy it will surely fail.  Wake up & participate in the debate

LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FACT, on one hand, and on the other, OPINION—“POINT OF VIEW”.  NEWS is the presentation of FACT.  FOX is about OPINION ONLY.  _Ergo_, FOX is NOT NEWS.

Except for dupes such as yourself, FOX is going the way of the dodo bird, as more and more viewers wake to the fact that they are being fed by FOX a steady diet of propaganda, lies, smears, and name-calling, falsely represented as being fact and news.

#63884 by Stone777 on 4/13 at 3:44 pm
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To Paula: Isn’t it funny? A CEO who might actually be concerned about profit…how foolish.  We can’t all be dreamers and ideologues now can we?  The reality is that any left or right leaning CEO of any news outlet should be seriously concerned with the bottom line…How foolish and naive to think that success for a news outlet could be defined any other way.  You scream when they don’t fire Imus and rationalize that it was the market that did it, and then you scream when a CEO might actually make a decision based on revenue.  The reality is that when a situation arises where they might actually be inclined to agree with their adversary, it suits the left to stretch for reasons to disagree. Just admit that the political leaders who might not show at FOX News, will miss an opportunity to get their message to the very people who they believe need to hear it most….go figure.

Reality and fact are neutral.  _Ergo_, news directors don’t “lean” in any direction but toward fact and reality.

It is ideologues—“opinionists”—who lean “left” or “right” (an oversimplification of a complex political spectrum fed by FOX propagandsts to simpleton dupes).

News doesn’t have a “point of view” because news consists of facts.  IT is _opiniopn_ which has point of view—and which is NOT news.

Learn the difference, or continue to be a dupe who falsely believes that “news” is to tell you what you want to hear, as you want to hear it, instead of telling you the facts—regardless whether you like them.

The fact is that torutre is a war crime.  Name me one “news” outlet that has reported that fact without equivocation.  You can’t, because none have.

Now name me a “news” outlet that has defended, supported, and endeavored to justify the commission of that war crime.  Easy: FOX. 

At the same time, of course, FOX was all for overthrowing Saddam Hussein because he committed the war crime of torture.

Based upon those simple and obvious facts, in only that one example, it is obvious that FOX is not about _NEWS_.  It is about _selling_ a point of view—and it will tell any lie in that effort.

By contrast, _news_ provides you the facts, without regard for whether you like those facts.  Indeed, in the above, I just gave you more actual news than FOX has ever given, even by accident, during the entirety of its existence.

Facts and reality are neutral.  By contrast, _opinion_—which is _not news_—has a “point of view”.

#63978 by Stone777 on 4/14 at 7:34 am
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You have got to be kidding.  Are you going to try to tell me that this is a behavior exclusive to Fox News?  Every news outlet in the country uses hot buttons every day. Making sure commentators are “staying on message” is the only way to manage the news.  Yes “manage the News.  The buck stops with Murdock and in the famous words of Jack Nicholson “You can’t handle the truth”.  For the left to believe that Iraq is successful only when we stay the course and the mission is to stay long enough for them to learn to manage their own country in a civil way is too much to stomach.  The only other alternative is to actually believe in the goofy right wing conspiracy stuff about good old boys and corporate greed.

Now Bill Moyer would actually have you thinking that Bush is equal parts stupid, ideologically flawed, and diabolical genius.  Just face the fact that you hate Bush and will never support him no matter what.  Face the fact that you have fallen victim to hate and want the US to fail as long as there is a conservative in the White House.  Face the fact that as long as you have a president, any president that is pro free enterprise, pro choice, pro capitalism the left will never ever ever ever give them the benefit of the doubt.  Like so many silly journalists of the day, empathizing with the president is like leaving your wit and career at the door.  Forget the human common sense part of being an American.  Just when, one time, will a left leaning journalist not believe that Bush or any conservative isn’t the devil incarnate.  When that happens the moderate middle might actually listen to them.

Here are two facts to fact, fake “moderate”—

1.  The Constitution expressly gives exclusive authority to resolve election disputes such as that in 2000 to CONGRESS.  In terms of Constitution and law, that means the US SC, by accepting Bush’s appeal to the WRONG Constitutional forum, and thereafter haring arguments on it, and handing down a decision, was a USURPATION of that EXCLUSIVE authority.  As a principle of law, everything which flows from an unconstitutionality is NULL-AND-VOID.

In short: there are LEGAL grounds for opposing everything the illegitimate Bugh regime does other than your reduction of everything down to personal terms.

2.  Corporations are bynature, and almost by definition, conservative-to-reactionary.  That means they are about maintaining the _status quo_.  That further means that the “news” they present is in no wise “liberal,” let alone progressive—the latter being NOT about maintaining the status quo.

Note that in both instances above I do not descend to the FOX-ian level of personalities, personal attack, name-calling, and hate-speech.  Instead, I stick to the law and the facts.  In which there is a lesson for those, such as you, who fail to distinguish between fact, on one hand, and on the other, opinion, spin, and propaganda.  Facts are neutral—not “liberal” or “conservative” or any other of your chosen biases.

As for focus by “news” organizations on “hot button” issues: the reason for that is not “liberal” “bias”; rather, it is about capitalist focus on ratings and bottom line—PROFITS.  And if anyone, from your point of view, is against capitalism, it is “liberals”.  Take a hint: It’s okay to SPEAK with an accent, but not to see and hear with one.  You have been “taught” by FOX to see a “bias” that (1) FOX defines, and (2) FOX harps on.  That “bias” against which FOX rails is not “bias”—it is the facts which refute FOX’s assault on standards, beginning with the standard of separating fact/news from opinion/propaganda.

#63996 by John on 4/14 at 9:00 am
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I admire Roger Ailes’ genius in building Fox News. I wish liberals could create a comparably powerful network.”

They have….NBC…..CBS and to a lesser extent ABC…MSNBC…..CNN…..I have asked this question frequently….to know avail and to no answer….if FOX is NOT fair and balanced….which Network is?  Discount NBC/CBS/ABC…nobody gets their news from them….people watch CNN and FOX all day to keep up with the news but in any event which network give the conservative point of view a forum or even a fair shake.  FOX may challenge Liberal points of view but it doesn’t blanantly exclude them.

You still don’t get it, do you?  FOX aside, there are STANDARDS.  On of those STANDARDS is to recognize that FACTS are NEUTRAL—they are neither “left,” “left-liberal,” or “conservate” (howevermuch the latter is today falsely defined).  In short: FACTS are not in any sense “point of view”.  What you are falsely calling “news” is not _news_—the purpose of which is to report the facts.  It is OPINION.

Moreoever, the reduction of everything to mere
“opinion” is the very same _moral relativism_—_nihilism_, in fact—of which FOX and its fake conservative dupes accuse everyone with whom they disagree.  Being an inflexible bigot is not “principle”—or patriotism.  Hate-speech and name-calling is neither news nor debate.

And even at that, not all opinion is equal: informed opinion is superior to uninformed, or that which is deliberately fact-free or distorting of fact for pollitical ends.

Want “point of view”?  Read the editorial page.  Want _news_?  Avoid the editorial page—and the sleazy name-calling hate-speech/propaganda of FOX.

Learn the difference between _news_, on the one hand—the current Democratically-controlled Congress is conducting, with the participation also of some Republicans, investigations of the DOJ scandal—and on the other, fake news/opinion: the Democrats are investigating the alleged DOJ scandal.

Learn to _think_: learn the difference between fact/news, on one hand, and opinion/spin.  It is not the purpose of actual news to give you what you want to hear; it is to give you the facts and truth, regardless whether you like it.

I’m sorry but this article misses the crtical issue: Activist Zionist ownership of the media. Yes, Murdoch is a Zionist fellow travelor, no doubt about it. Look at the list of Jews who own or write, produce mass media, and are at the very least sympathetic and manipulatable by the elite Zionist power structure, and you have a profound bias in the media much more important than the pseudo non differences between Republicans and Democrats (a range of debate about as wide as a fleas bum). See: Jeff Blankfort; Israel Shamir; Kevin MacDonald; James Petras. Have you heard of Haim Saban, media mogul who is a pro Israeli activist and owns heaps of TV stations in the US and abroad? How about a Mr. Zell who is buying the Chicago Tribune and used employees pension funds to put up the money? Nice folks.

Re: #64101 by Outraged on 4/14 at 11:46 pm
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The fact Mr. Dionne, that you “admire” someone who “earns” obscene amounts of money using propagandists to spew lies and hate speech to the American public is revolting.

“Roger Ailes, the creator and chairman”

“Ailes knows”

“Ailes has been brilliant”

“Ailes, one of the toughest and smartest”

“This was a great conservative victory.”

“I admire Roger Ailes’ genius”

“built a devoted conservative following”

I also “noticed” when using the words liberal, democrat or left, you tended to “attach” them to words and phrases such as: “arguing”, “critics”, “campaign to block”, “pressure groups are forcing”, “fustration”, “agressive media criticisms”, “adversaries”, “police news reports”, “monitoring organizations”, “have no business” or “I wish liberals could”.

It would seem that you can toss around “a bit of the bull” yourself.

So what’s the story?  Is this guy your “best buddy” or something…?
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Good thinking, Outraged!  What outrages me is that these Democratic candidates didn’t laugh of the very notion of a Democratic debate on Fox Fraud AB INITIO!  WTF were these perspective Presidents thinking?

I notice a large piece of what should be a part of this discussion is missing.

Back when Rupert Murdoch was still a citizen of Austrailia, he began buying news outlets in the united States. I was living in Boston in 1982 whenmurdoch wanted to own two seperate news outlets in that city, at the time an illegal desire.  So he bought them. In the United States, only an American citizen could hold a majority interest in a television station, which meant the Metromedia stations could not be owned by Murdoch; Australia had a similar rule. Murdoch obtained an exception in Australia, and on September 4, 1985, he became a U.S. citizen.
Only one politician stood against his takeover of the news indrustry.  Ted Kennedy pointed out that what Mr. Murdoch was doing was illegal.

On March 1, 1987, Murdoch launched the Fox television network. American rules forbade a motion picture studio from owning a television network, so the Fox network at first ran only 14 hours of national programming—one hour less than the legal definition for a network. It took persistent and skillful politicking by Murdoch to have the rules changed so that Fox could expand its programming.

Murdoch now owns diverse news Movie studios and production companies and popular web sites.

here is a partial list:
Misc. assets: 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment | Fox News Talk | HarperCollins | Fox Interactive Media | MySpace | National Rugby League (50%) | NDS Group | TV Guide
Newspapers: New York Post | News International Group : The Times | The Sunday Times | The Sun | News of the World | thelondonpaper | News Limited (Australian newspapers)
Studios: 20th Century Fox | 20th Century Fox Animation | 20th Century Fox Television | Blue Sky Studios | Fox Atomic | Fox Searchlight Pictures | Fox Faith | Fox Television Studios | Fox Studios Australia | Fox Studios Baja
US broadcast television assets: Fox Broadcasting Company | Fox Television Stations Group | MyNetworkTV
US cable television assets: Fox Movie Channel | Fox News Channel | Fox Reality | Fox Soccer Channel | Fox Sports en Español | Fox Sports Net | Foxnet | FX Networks | FX (UK) | National Geographic Channel (50% with National Geographic) | National Geographic Channel (UK) (50% with National Geographic) | SPEED Channel | SportSouth | TV Guide Channel | Fox Business Channel
Non-US and satellite television assets: BSkyB (39.1%) | bTV | DirecTV Group (39%) | Fox Sports en Latinoamérica | Fox Televizija | Foxtel | XYZnetworks (50% with Austar) | Sky Italia | SKY Network Television (44%) | STAR TV
Fox Television Stations Group: KDFW | KDVR | KMSP | KRIV | KSAZ | KSTU | KTBC | KTTV | KTVI | WAGA | WBRC | WDAF | WFLD | WFXT | WGHP | WHBQ | WITI | WJBK | WJW | WNYW | WOFL | WOGX | WTTG | WTVT | WTXF
MyNetworkTV owned & operated television stations: KCOP | KDFI | KTXH | KUTP | WDCA | WFTC | WPWR | WRBW | WUTB | WWOR

“I have asked this question frequently….to know avail and to no answer….if FOX is NOT fair and balanced….which Network is? “

—Barack Obama educated in a madrassa. (deliberate lie)
—I. Lewis Libby Acquitted on one count! (ignoring that he was convicted on 4 counts)
—The fact that over 67% of Fox viewers believe Saddam Hussein was directly responsible for the 9/11 attack (Totally false—they can’t even prove a CONNECTION with Al Qaeda).
—Internal memos DIRECTING the “news” team to be biased for Republicans and against Democrats.
—CBS and NBC FIRED Don Imus for bigotted remarks.  Yet Limbaugh and O’Reilly make GROTESQUELY disgusting remarks without even a reprimand.
—Making sure to comment on paper flags being thrown on the floor while covering the 2004 Democratic Convention but not the 2004 Republican Convention. (you can’t get any more blatantly biased in your coverage than THAT!—They were on the floor at the
GOP Convention too—but not commented on)

And these are just a few examples.

Your question is totally absurd. Your refusal to recognize the difference between reporting facts and deliberately trying to deceive the American public is YOUR hangup. 

ABC is now controlled by Disney, and the far right—and they ARE using it to air propaganda that would do Fox proud (like the docu-drama that used dialogue for the Clinton Admin that consisted TOTALLY of neo-fascist fantasy and invention, but was presented as “fact”)

I guess you just LIKE fake news.  Probably think pro-wrestling is real, too.

Check out the San Francisco Examiner’s take on the situation, it’s a laugh riot.
Or it’s a pathetic attempt to get Obama, Clinton and Edwards to play along with the game.

http://www.examiner.com/a-671798~Dems_caved_to_anti_Fox_campaign.html

Re; Amy Goodman, her many good deeds aside, she has been one of the main impediments in the Left along with Chomsky in denying the importance of the Zionist Lobby, as well as ignoring the importance that 9-11 was (probably) a Zionist job. See: The French Connection website (I don’t agree with all of their views but they have some provocative stuff).

Eighty percent of the Fox viewership at one time believed Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks.  These viewers were the victims of dishonest propaganda that would have made Goebels proud.  Because of that propaganda we launched an illegal war and have killed untold thousands of completely innocent people.  Becasue of that propaganda, my cousin Andrew Tyson, 28 years old, is flying helipcopters in Bagdhad.  Meanwhile basic questions—like why Norm Minetta tesitfied that Dick Cheney entered the bunker on 9/11 BEFORE flight 77 hit the Pentagon and was given periodic updates about an approaching plane—go unasked let alone answered.  And so, EJ, your “admiration” of Ailes is as misguided as it is offensive.  You’re apparently too busy being impressed by power to speak truth to it.  Thanks for nothing.

This is just a start to what needs to happen to fox.

It is about time that the Dems stand up to Fox. They have given Fox far to much credibility over the years just by appearing on their broadcasts. Fox should be seen as the redheaded stepchild of broadcasters. By viewers and advertisers and it is up to liberal candidates and viewers to make this happen. Dem’s need to boycott the channel (not speak with ANY Fox assets including answering their questions during news releases), viewers need to boycott Fox’s advertisers products, and all involved need to get writting letters to Fox and their sponsors.

Fox is but one UnAmerican ideal we need to deal with.
So it is high time we get to work!

B

I admire Roger Ailes’ genius in building Fox News. I wish liberals could create a comparably powerful network.”

They have….NBC…..CBS and to a lesser extent ABC…MSNBC…..CNN…..I have asked this question frequently….to know avail and to no answer….if FOX is NOT fair and balanced….which Network is?  Discount NBC/CBS/ABC…nobody gets their news from them….people watch CNN and FOX all day to keep up with the news but in any event which network give the conservative point of view a forum or even a fair shake.  FOX may challenge Liberal points of view but it doesn’t blanantly exclude them.

[If] ‘Terrorism’ means “to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear” then Neoconservative is terrorism with a political purpose - political terrorism disguised as conservative - Neocon-Terrorism.”

Brilliant! And absolutely correct! GW=MCHammered ( #63802 )

Roger Ailes is angry because someone said no!
The word NO is antithetical to anyone who sees as their right the opportunity to push others around!

A personality trait (defect) absolutely essential to the FAUX conservative movement.

Re: kungfublood’s comment (#63793)
“Fox news is considering using cardboard cutouts of any candidates that fail to appear at the debates “The public will never notice as we generally won’t let them speak and put words in their mouths anyway” an anonymous Fox News spokesperson said.” Besides none of our viewers ever noticed before.”

Another brilliant (and FUNNY) comment. Kinda puts the whole silly issue in perspective.

But when it all comes down to the bottom line ... I suspect we will see dem candidate adds on Fox, right along with repub adds. (Well actually we wont, because we don’t watch FOX, but bet they’ll be there!)

Come to think of it, this whole debate issue might be the wedge dems are driving to guarantee the best rate! We may yet see that debate!
(Well actually we wont because we don’t watch FOX. Maybe Truthdig will post it for us!)

Last night while scrolling down the “News” channels
I hit a piece on Nicole Smith, a rant against Don Imus, and a “report” ON “AMERICAN IDOL”

Arguing about which network is more conservative is akin to discussing which Baghdad neighborhood is the safest.

cojointly talking about “liberal news” is comparable to discussing a proposed residence for the tooth fairy.

This generation seems to be unaware of true liberal idology (death penalty, prison reform, wealth equity, Employee rights, wage fairness,  and other quality of life issues) believing that liberals watch CNN, support folks like Hill-the-shill Clinton, and care only about a woman’s right to choose abortion.

True liberals take care of those unable to care for themselves, shut down juvenile jails, pay firefighters what they are worth, insure equetable treatment of children and the aged, push for greener energy, stear clear of sweat-shop labor (Walmart) and on top of that they take a very jaunticed view of corporate sponsored programs that call themselves “news outlets”

Wouldn’t it be more apropos to refer to Roger Ailes as the Minimind who directs Fox, rather than a Mastermind?

You have got to be kidding.  Are you going to try to tell me that this is a behavior exclusive to Fox News?  Every news outlet in the country uses hot buttons every day. Making sure commentators are “staying on message” is the only way to manage the news.  Yes “manage the News.  The buck stops with Murdock and in the famous words of Jack Nicholson “You can’t handle the truth”.  For the left to believe that Iraq is successful only when we stay the course and the mission is to stay long enough for them to learn to manage their own country in a civil way is too much to stomach.  The only other alternative is to actually believe in the goofy right wing conspiracy stuff about good old boys and corporate greed.

Now Bill Moyer would actually have you thinking that Bush is equal parts stupid, ideologically flawed, and diabolical genius.  Just face the fact that you hate Bush and will never support him no matter what.  Face the fact that you have fallen victim to hate and want the US to fail as long as there is a conservative in the White House.  Face the fact that as long as you have a president, any president that is pro free enterprise, pro choice, pro capitalism the left will never ever ever ever give them the benefit of the doubt.  Like so many silly journalists of the day, empathizing with the president is like leaving your wit and career at the door.  Forget the human common sense part of being an American.  Just when, one time, will a left leaning journalist not believe that Bush or any conservative isn’t the devil incarnate.  When that happens the moderate middle might actually listen to them.

I believe that FOX made arguments that ‘lying is a first amendment protected speech’ in numerous court cases.

The traditional term for the “perspective” held and spewed by Fox—as fake news—is “lunatic fringe”.  Until that properly self-marginalized fringe got two things—a mega-wealthy extremist right wing funder, and an audience of history-illiterate amnesiacs—it was unable to falsely force itself, by lying that it is instead “mainstream,” by demagoguery, smear, and loud-mouth volume, into a larger public awareness.

Isn’t it Fox which complains about the “coarsening of the culture” while it rarely does anything other than name-call and smear, and lie, and defend all the worst sorts of right wing hate-speech, including the virulently racist?  Isn’t it Fox which claims to be about “family values,” while being as hateful and uncivil as possible?  Isn’t it Fox which lectures everyone not lunatic fringe about how to be “polite” and “respectful”?

As soon as the actual mainstream—some 70 per cent of the population—ceases to politely pretend to itself, with Fox, that Fox has validity and value, and preemptively ceases to patronize it, and ignores all invitations to give Fox a transparently false mist of credibility, Fox will recede back into the properly marginalized lunatic fringe sewer of hate which disgustedly vomited it out.

As concerns reality and standards, fact and truth, Fox has no credibility.  So, wake up: cease helping Fox pretend it does have credibility.  Drop it as a topic of discussion, and cease to appear on its TeeVee screens.

Give it no attention and it will shrivel up and die.

To Paula: Isn’t it funny? A CEO who might actually be concerned about profit…how foolish.  We can’t all be dreamers and ideologues now can we?  The reality is that any left or right leaning CEO of any news outlet should be seriously concerned with the bottom line…How foolish and naive to think that success for a news outlet could be defined any other way.  You scream when they don’t fire Imus and rationalize that it was the market that did it, and then you scream when a CEO might actually make a decision based on revenue.  The reality is that when a situation arises where they might actually be inclined to agree with their adversary, it suits the left to stretch for reasons to disagree. Just admit that the political leaders who might not show at FOX News, will miss an opportunity to get their message to the very people who they believe need to hear it most….go figure.

After reading Amy Goodman’s post on how broadcasters are the ones reaping the most from our election system, I’m wondering if the only reason Ailes is mad is because of the advertising dollars this boycott is taking out of his and his Fox masters’ pockets.

Why do we tolerate the mislabel ‘Conservative’ with these guys? There is nothing conservative about them except the costume.

Now if they are the New Conservative or ‘NeoConservative’ and ‘Terrorism’ means “to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear” then Neoconservative is terrorism with a political purpose - political terrorism disguised as conservative - Neocon-Terrorism.

Let’s not be afraid to call it what it is.

“I admire Roger Ailes’ genius in building Fox News. I wish liberals could create a comparably powerful network.”
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whoa there!  please never fall into the camp that says anyone else should sink to their level!  doublethink is a hideous trend and Fox is well on it’s way there.  maybe some ambitious, outspoken and angery bloggers say untrue things with a liberal bent, but hopefully CNN and the rest won’t follow that trend either.

i’ll assume you only meant it sarcastically, but choose your words more carefully please.
overall, i think you’re right on track with the article topic.

Fox news is considering using cardboard cutouts of any candidates that fail to appear at the debates “The public will never notice as we generally won’t let them speak and put words in their mouths anyway” an anonymous Fox News spokesperson said.” Besides none of our viewers ever noticed before.”

“Fox News Channel.” The joke is in the name, like Bush calling himself the decider.

This reminds me of the comic, who was being interviewed by the press,

“And Mr. Soandso, what makes you the King of the Surf?” He responded by saying. “I had cards printed.”

Maybe Bush should have cards printed.

I find it enlightening that the head of Fox News, would be upset that the Democratic Party has FINALLY decided to stop putting its collective head on the Fox Noise chopping block and has decided to boycott this clear propaganda arm of the GOP.

Fox has already been embarrassed by the release of insider eMails that SHOW they were directed by senior management to emphasize issues with Democrats and play down issues with Republicans.  Who can forget “Libby Acquitted on one count!”

With all the leading Democratic presidential candidates boycotting Fox/Pravda, calling a spade a spade: Fox is a biased advocate for the GOP, it rips away the veneer of phony respectability Fox has cultivated.  O’Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Medved can all scream their lungs out that calling the Democrats names, but too bad. By refusing to play the Fox game any longer, Clinton, Obama and Edwards have turned it into all bark and no bite.

And, BTW, O’Reilly called immigrants “wetbacks” and “coyotes”, Limbaugh parodied Michael J. Fox’s Parkinsons and both kept their jobs while Imus lost his.  THAT shows you where Fox REALLY is—their sponsers don’t give a rat’s @$$ about that—they KNOW there won’t be any pressure from consumers.  But CBS and NBC got LOTS of pressure from the sponsers because they WILL be given hell by consumers. So Imus is gone.  Hey! The conservatives talk about the Free Market—Imus lost his job in the free market.

I try to watch Fox for laughs and to see what the fascists are up to but I just don’t have the stomach.

Appearing with them gives them credibility they don’t deserve.  Good move Democrats!