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Posted on Feb 27, 2012
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Syrian soldiers who have defected position their rifles as they take cover behind the wall of a damaged house in Homs.

By Barry Lando

Thousands of largely unarmed people rise up against a brutal regime. In reaction, military commanders are dispatched to ruthlessly crush the revolt. Men, women and children are cut down in cold blood, houses and apartments destroyed, the streets littered with body parts and piles of the dead. Desperate appeals are made to the world for help, for arms, for medicines, for rescue.

The leaders of the world wring their hands and meet to deal with the horrific situation. Regrettably, there are too many reasons not to act, too many complications, too many subtleties. Sophisticated diplomats and heads of state understand these things. The slaughter continues.

One such meeting just ended in Tunis on Feb. 24, called to deal with the uprising in Syria. The other was held in Bermuda in April 1943, with delegations from the U.S. and Britain, to discuss the terrible predicament of the millions of Jews trapped in Hitler’s Europe.

Two days into the Bermuda Conference, the delegates received word of a transmission from an underground Polish radio operating out of Warsaw. Its desperate message: “The last 35,000 Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto are condemned to death. Warsaw is once again deafened with the bursts of gunfire. People are being murdered. Women and children are defending themselves with their bare hands. Save us ...” At that point the radio went dead.

Of course, the differences between the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto and the current bloody uprising in Syria are huge. But the harrowing stories that have come down to us from the Warsaw Ghetto are eerily similar to the horrific accounts emanating from Homs and other Syrian towns over the past few months.

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And, in both cases, the leaders of the world were challenged to react.

The Jews who rose up in Warsaw were the remnants of more than 250,000 Jews originally herded into the Ghetto. They finally refused to follow Nazi diktats when they came to realize that they were being deported not to labor camps but to the death camp at Treblinka.

Against German tanks, artillery and poison gas, the Jews had only a few revolvers, rifles and Molotov cocktails, some of them smuggled into the Ghetto by sympathetic members of the Polish Underground. Via underground radio and smuggled written messages, they attempted to alert the world with desperate appeals for support of any kind.

Meanwhile, by coincidence, reluctant American and British delegations—who for months had been under mounting pressure from domestic Jewish organizations—were meeting in Bermuda to deal with the question of what, if anything, they would do to save Europe’s Jews from Hitler, including large numbers of Jews in areas not yet occupied by the Nazis.

In Bermuda, the British and American delegates talked on and on for days. Jewish groups were not allowed to attend—nor were the media. At the end, the delegates issued a few hand-wringing statements, but did nothing.

In fact, one of their fears was that Hitler might actually open the gates of occupied Europe and allow the Jews to flee. The last thing the American and British governments wanted to deal with was a flood of immigrant Jews. Britain was also particularly unwilling to allow Jews to go to Palestine, then under British rule, for fear of offending the Arabs.

The basic reason for British and American inaction was deep-seated anti-Semitism in both England and the United States. This was particularly pronounced in the British government and the U.S. State Department, but also in the general population. Not even Franklin Roosevelt was willing to make saving the Jews of Europe a major issue until 1944.

Back in Warsaw, after three weeks of desperate struggle, on May 16, 1943, the last resistance in the Ghetto was annihilated. 

In solidarity with his fellow Jews, an exile leader living in England, Samuel Zygelboim, committed suicide. For months, he had pleaded with the Allies to retaliate against Hitler for the ongoing slaughter of Polish Jews.

In a BBC broadcast in December 1942, he had warned, “If Polish Jewry’s call for help goes unheeded, Hitler will have achieved one of his war aims—to destroy the Jews of Europe irrespective of the military outcome of the war.”

After the Warsaw Ghetto fell, Zygelboim left behind a suicide note charging the Germans with the murder of Polish Jews, but he also accused the Allied governments, including the Polish government-in-exile, of not having done enough to rescue the Jews from the murderous hands of the Germans. Then he wrote: “By my death I wish to make my final protest against the passivity with which the world has witnessed and permitted the annihilation of the Jewish people.”

One would like to imagine that the outcome of the Bermuda Conference would have been dramatically different if the Internet had been around at the time—if instead of a lonely plea from an underground radio station, or the dry accounts of a few diplomatic cables, there had been YouTube and Twitter and Facebook broadcasting to the world the horrors of the Warsaw Ghetto and the Holocaust.

Imagine, for instance, if anyone with the Internet had been able to follow minute-by-bloody-minute the massacre of the civilians in the Warsaw Ghetto: the slaughter of men, women and children, the makeshift hospitals, their floors running red with blood. Imagine if the world had seen all that 69 years ago, like the scenes we’ve been witnessing every day from Homs.

Of course, the world would have reacted. How could it have not?

Just look at our diplomats discussing Syria in Tunis this past Friday.


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By moonraven, March 5, 2012 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

Welcome to the party, Archie.  I have only been saying this for a year now.

A few days ago when the Syrian army “took” the belligerent barrio in Homs, they found an enormous cache of US and Israeli weapons.

Same old song—and not with a different meaning, either—apologies to The Four Tops.

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By Archie1954, March 4, 2012 at 8:18 pm Link to this comment
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Now has the author ever considered for how long the US has been clamouring for regime change in Syria? Now within the last year or so the city of Homs has become a hotbed of rebellion. So where did that hotbed get its initial spark to rise up against the government of Syria? Having history to look back at,I noticed that the US is notorius for applying covert operations when it wants to destabilize a nation and create regime change. Now my definition of covert ops is very appropriate, it is terrorism plain and simple. I believe the US is practicing its dark arts (as Cheney would call them) on Syria. The CIA or some other American spook agency is fomenting violence, not caring one bit about the people who are being killed daily. No evidence of such you say? Hardly, history proves the proposition.

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By moonraven, March 3, 2012 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Aroute:  You are on ignore, personal attack addict.

Rot there.

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By blogdog, March 3, 2012 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

RE: ...world’s policeman… - “a policeman’s job is only easy in a police
state” — Touch of Evil

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By Ecommerce Web Design, March 2, 2012 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment

How many innocent civilians have died during these weeks of muddled
negotiations during which the big powers grandstanded and maneuvered for
pieces of Syria’s crumbling pie. It sickens me to think of the lives that could have
been saved through rapid response and immediate action. But this of course is the
issue - do we want someone to be the world’s policeman? Seems like every time
that discussion takes place it results in more arguments than solutions.

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By Arouete, March 2, 2012 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

moonraven, And now that you are done with your third bigoted off-point screed perhaps you can provide a scintilla of evidence for your totally irrelevant, off-point troll droppings.

When you make judgments and statements of fact (as you have) based on no credible evidence that is the definition of prejudice. When you obstinately defend the same after being refuted that is the definition of bigotry - but it’s to expected from those who hurl racist epithets.

Please notice that in all your bigoted ravings you have consistently failed to be relevant or support your arguments with credible fact. Judging by your busy, busy, busy snarks against others here its a pathetic way to squander a life.

But my abject apologies for ‘doing the math’ it appears your ravings are not to due pubescence but senility.

Since you are incapable of intelligent discussion (with me or anyone else at the is blog I notice)  further exchange would be useless.

Now off to bed with you and, oh ya, don’t forget to take whatever bottle of poison it is that you suck on.

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By moonraven, March 2, 2012 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

aroute:

1.  Your rage and barrage of insults cuts no ice with me.  You are just another abusive gringo troll trying to throw his weight around. Unfortunately for you, shouting and blasting ad hominem attacks—or feeble and furios attempts at them—has absolutely no effect in internet.  I am not in your neighborhood where you can try to bully me.

2.  And you can’t do the math, huh?  If I received my doctorate in 1972, any kid with a first-grade grasp of arithmetic should be able to figure out that I am either retired or semi-retired.  So your slap shot about my being unemployed—I sense some thin skin around that—when did you get canned from your last job, anyway?  No, don’t tell me, I don’t care, as you voted and will vote again for the clowns that canned you anyway.

3.  You can continue believing in the tooth fairy and the easter bunny and the rest of the gringo garbage passing itself off as culture and information.  meanwhile, the government you pledge allegiance to continues to fund Al Qaeda and to arm it in Syria.  It appears, however, that the tide is not moving with those mercenaries at the moment.  Syria is not Libya, buddy boy—I know, as I have been to both. And yYou have not.

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By Arouete, March 2, 2012 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

moonraven. You a doctorate?  Unemployed perhaps?  This is the internet where any nincompoop can say anything. Ya, And I am Napoleon and have a Nobel Prize. One more unsubstantiated authority in support of incredulity.  Nice.

Pssst. We all know the U.S. funded Bin Ladin against the Russians. Decades ago.  Your statement is “Al Qaeda receives [as in now] plenty of arms from the CIA, on whose payroll they have always resided.” 

Ph. D.? This failure to see distinctions with a difference are what I’d expect of not-very-bright school kid.  Your’s a statement of past history and not present fact and you still have proffered no credible evidence supporting such libelous rubbish. If this is the kind of ‘evidence’ and thinking or analysis one with a doctorate relies on one can only wonder how much American education has been dumbed down.

Aside from this I am sure you haven’t noticed that your original snark is irrelevant to and non-responsive of the substance of my comment. Totally off-point. Which is precisely what we could expect of a juvenile troll with a pea-shooter brain and an opinion of present fact based on nothing put uniformed prejudice.

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By moonraven, March 2, 2012 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

Aroute:

1.  Hardly a sophomore, since I received my PhD from Univ. of Massachusetts in 1972—before you were even born, probably.

2.  Al Qaeda was founded and funded by the CIA during the then USSR now Russian invasion of Afghanistan to fight the USSR as part of the Cold War. 

3.  When the world became, momentarily, unipolar (it is now multipolar although you gringos like to live in the dream that the US is still calling the shots) Al Qaeda began to serve as the Bogey Man of the Day (like the Catch of the Day as just as rancid smelling) in order to blame 9-11 on it, among other actions, and keep you gringos scared and peeing patriotically down your pantlegs.

4.  The CIA admitted to the Libyan conflict being led by Al Qaeda, as well as to US government of same.

5.  Maybe if you learned a few languages you’d be able to have a more global perspective on world events, but even monolingual English speakers, if they take off their blinders, can manage to dig up some information instead of propaganda.

6.  If anyone needs to grow up and get a global grip on this site, it is you.  Patriots are ignorant and cynical, and patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels.  Dr. Samuel Johnson made that famous definition of patriotism on April 7, 1775.  And Bob Dylan reccycled it in the 60s.  Wise up and cut the crap of insulting folks who know way more than you do and who do NOT live like fleas in Gringolandia.

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By Arouete, March 2, 2012 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

moonraven, “Al Qaeda receives plenty of arms from the CIA, on whose payroll they have always resided.”

What an idiotic statement. Raving at the moon indeed. This snark from a sophomore whose dog ate their homework? You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts and an opinion is only as valid as the facts that support it.  What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and without some credible authority (which mere gossip and hearsay are not) your statement has no more credibility than the graffiti on the walls of a public toilet. Grow up child. Come to the debate equipped with credible authority. Now off to bed with you little one.

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By moonraven, March 2, 2012 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Arouete:  Al Qaeda receives plenty of arms from the CIA, on whose payroll they have always resided.

The US put 12,000 troops deployed from the Iraq pullout in Libya in order to free up their Al Qaeda folks for Syria.  Al Qaeda folks can pass for Syrians, while US Army grunts cannot.

It’s all very simple, really.

This is another phony civil conflict funded to the hilt by the US government.  Just like Libya was—and continues to be.

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By ghostofwatergate, March 1, 2012 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

Here’s Escobar’s column from the Asia Times on the Arab League’s investigative report.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB04Ak01.html

And here’s a link to the Arab League’s actual report.

http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/Report_of_Arab_League_Observer_Mission.pdf

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By ghostofwatergate, March 1, 2012 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

This article is a piece of crap and just another in a long tedious line of genocide alarms we’ve been hearing from the warhawks and global hegemonists since the Clinton administration (focusing narrowly on only recent history).

The “uprising” in Homs is an armed rebellion against the government and that government has a legal right to quash it, even if it sadly means killing every single person in Homs. But the fact of the matter is that they (the Assad) government, is NOT killing everybody in Homs; they blockaded the one section of that town, arrested a bunch of people (like they’re what, not supposed to do that?) and are shelling the militant holdouts. Again, not Homs the city, but a limited section of that city.

Meanwhile, all this is trivial. The larger picture is why an armed rebellion when the actual successful revolutions in the recent Middle East have all been non-violent public demonstrations lasting months, and with huge and broadly-based popular support. Also, where the hell did the “unidentified armed force” come from, as if we really don’t know? http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/12/syria-pepe-escobar-breaks-down-arab.html

This is another Saudi/Israeli-backed Northwoods-like operation, exactly like Lybia, with the CIA no doubt in the thick of it.

Truthdig really made a freaking awful call publishing this piece of trash.

And heterochronic, you really need to go tell your handlers that we aren’t buying your bullshit.

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By Arouete, March 1, 2012 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

Apologies if this is a double post but the first did not seem to take.

To cavalierly toss-over the patronizing comment that “Of course, the differences between the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto and the current bloody uprising in Syria are huge” and leave it at that is irresponsible journalism and what we could expect from revisionist propagandists.  Oh, this conflict may implicate Nazis and Jew all right but not as this writer suggests.

The dynamic of the Nazis torching the Warsaw ghetto is about as far as this absurd comparison can go; but to even juxtapose them in the same breath is irresponsible, misleading, and an insult to the Warsaw Jews who suffered the holocaust! To even put the comparison into the abysmally uninformed and easily confused heads of American readers is a bit disgusting. The Jews of Warsaw were no oppressed majority aggressively engaging in revolution and religious warfare or otherwise fomenting a civil war driven by poisonous religion.  Give us a break!

The population of Homs is made up primarily of Sunni Muslims (the largest branch of Islam and considered orthodox version of the religion). They account for 74% of the population of Syria and they are oppressed by a Shia minority of 12% headed by Assad. President Bashir Al-Assad’s family is Alawite (a mystical religious group which is a branch of Shia Islam centered in Syria). That Shia minority dominates the government of Syria and holds key military positions.

Al Qaeda is Sunni and of course, supports the overthrow of Assad. So the world should give guns and money to Al Qaeda? Nice plan!

Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda are Sunni just like the oppressed majority on Syria. On the other hand Iran and Hezbollah are Shia just like the oppressive minority in Syria.

Syrian unrest is giving Sunni Saudi Arabia an opportunity to weaken rival Shiite Iran, which has been closely allied with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Toppling the Assad regime would deny Shia Iran its most important regional ally and allow Sunni Gulf nations to break Iran’s ‘Shiite crescent” of influence that extends through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and into the Palestinian territories.

Again, Al Qaeda is Sunni and of course, supports the overthrow of Assad. So America should give guns and money to Al Qaeda? Nice plan! To even compare the oppressed Sunni majority to the minority Jews of Warsaw is an outrage.

America is wise to not get embroiled in more middle eastern religious warfare. This is nothing like the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto but one Muslim minority slitting the throats of another Muslims majority. The Jews of Warsaw we not revolutionaries and they did not foment civil war leaving the Nazis with no option other than abdication or putting down revolution. The irresponsible analogy is about as stupid as dumb can get when it equates a Jewish minority to an infamous Sunni majority.

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By Arouete, March 1, 2012 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

To cavalierly toss-over the patronizing comment that “Of course, the differences between the Holocaust and the Warsaw Ghetto and the current bloody uprising in Syria are huge” and leave it at that is irresponsible journalism and what we could expect from revisionist propagandists.  Oh, this conflict may implicate Nazis and Jew all right but not as this writer suggests.

The dynamic of the Nazis torching the Warsaw ghetto is about as far as this absurd comparison can go; but to even juxtapose them in the same breath is irresponsible, misleading, and an insult to the Warsaw Jews who suffered the holocaust! To even put the comparison into the abysmally uninformed and easily confused heads of American readers is a bit disgusting. The Jews of Warsaw were no oppressed majority aggressively engaging in revolution and religious warfare or otherwise fomenting a civil war driven by poisonous religion.  Give us a break!

The population of Homs is made up primarily of Sunni Muslims (the largest branch of Islam and considered orthodox version of the religion). They account for 74% of the population of Syria and they are oppressed by a Shia minority of 12% headed by Assad. President Bashir Al-Assad’s family is Alawite (a mystical religious group which is a branch of Shia Islam centered in Syria). That Shia minority dominates the government of Syria and holds key military positions.

Al Qaeda is Sunni and of course, supports the overthrow of Assad. So the world should give guns and money to Al Qaeda? Nice plan!

Saudi Arabia and Al Qaeda are Sunni just like the oppressed majority on Syria. On the other hand Iran and Hezbollah are Shia just like the oppressive minority in Syria.

Syrian unrest is giving Sunni Saudi Arabia an opportunity to weaken rival Shiite Iran, which has been closely allied with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. Toppling the Assad regime would deny Shia Iran its most important regional ally and allow Sunni Gulf nations to break Iran’s ‘Shiite crescent” of influence that extends through Iraq, Syria and Lebanon and into the Palestinian territories.

Again, Al Qaeda is Sunni and of course, supports the overthrow of Assad. So America should give guns and money to Al Qaeda? Nice plan! To even compare the oppressed Sunni majority to the minority Jews of Warsaw is an outrage.

America is wise to not get embroiled in more middle eastern religious warfare. This is nothing like the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto but one Muslim minority slitting the throats of another Muslims majority. The Jews of Warsaw were not revolutionaries and they did not foment civil war leaving the Nazis with no option other than abdication or putting down revolution. The irresponsible analogy is about as stupid as dumb can get when it equates a Jewish minority to an infamous Sunni majority.

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By jimmmmmy, February 28, 2012 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

i like the alternet comment section better than this one . you can respond directly to some who disagees with you. also its more time sensitive. when someone goes to the trouble of posting an article he or she should get a little respect even if one strongly disagrees. you shouldn’t have to scroll through all the comments to engage in these side dicussions

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By Blueokie, February 28, 2012 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

I can relate to Amon Drool’s sentiments with Lando adding his name to those wishing to play the role of Judith Miller and truthdig opting for the part of the NYT.  Seriously, Hitler again?

NATOGCC allies itself to the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda,  gets its “freedom fighters” trained and supplied in Turkey, and has them take over a single district in Homs.  Meanwhile every media outlet from Faux News to Democracy Now regurgitates the same “news” from a Saudi/Qatari (and probably CIA) front group in London, reusing the same propaganda the Empire has introduced for every manufactured threat of the last 30 years.  I guess the Empire has decided to go after the Shia in earnest.

If only McCain could have made it work with the “We are all Georgians now” bit, he would be President and we could be having a fun conflict with the Russians.  Failure of overreach I guess.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm Link to this comment

a picture is not a video, but good and bye.

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By moonraven, February 28, 2012 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

Sorry, don’t do videos.

More to the point, you have bored me,k so I am out of here.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 3:26 pm Link to this comment

but anyway, one of my hands is clapping for ya.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment

turns out that you’re the one out of your tree, birdie.


http://nestaquin.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/sony-tape-recorder.jpg

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By moonraven, February 28, 2012 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

If a tree falls in the forst and there is no one there, it does not make a sound.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

something on which we agree. we do bear the responsibility for much of the
bloodshed, going way back to the time when we first started encouraging the
cultivation of drugs in mexico.


sometimes, my dear birdie, there are peeps that you don’t get to hear and merely
because they fall not into your raven-dark ear doesn’t mean that all is silence.

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By moonraven, February 28, 2012 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

When you folks start in with the “numbers game” (mine is bigger than X’s), you unmask yourselves as 100% hypocrites.

Cynics too.

Why?

Because here in Mexico YOUR government imkposed its War on Drugs (sic):  You get the drugs and the money to launder to keep your banks quasi-afloat, and Mexico provides the corpses.

At least 75,000 in the past 5 years.

That’s more than double the body count during Argentina’s 7 year long DVirty War in the 70s and 80s.

And that’s just fine with you.  Not a damned peep out of any of you plastic progressives posting propaganda here.

You make me sick.

All of you.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 2:54 pm Link to this comment

sorry, Robo…...you published horseshit with.


“@40-plus years of occupation have certainly killed more Palestinians than the
entire uprising in Syria, that’s a fact.”

and you called it fact. you were, or course, fully beshitted.

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By moonraven, February 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

You folks sure love that kool aid, doncha, now?

Raise your hand anyone besides this poster who has spent any time in the Middle East, especially in Syria.

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By diamond, February 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

“Israel’s body count is much higher than Assad’s.”

Possibly true but if Assad continues his campaign of slaughtering his own people, that will change.

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By Robespierre115, February 28, 2012 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

@heterochromatic, History continues to dissolve your arguments. Sum up the number of people killed in the occupation, the wars on Lebanon, the invasion of Gaza, the bombings on Gaza, bombings and raids in the West Bank, the joint invasion of Britain in 1956 of Egypt, the bombing of the USS Liberty, assassinations abroad etc. Israel’s body count is much higher than Assad’s.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

oh, I’m pretty much willing to label Marty Peretz, Ariel Sharon,  Meier Kahane,
Norman Finklestein and a few others as pieces of shit.

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By moonraven, February 28, 2012 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Just when I thought that truthdig could not possible print a worse article—loaded with sobstories and patriotic poison—they did manage to bottom out below absolute zero with this piece of pernicious propaganda.

truthdig is just about off my list of acceptable sites.

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By vector56, February 28, 2012 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

“niether the Syrian regime or the Iranian one is worth a day-old turd “

heterochromatic; your comment above and an earlier reference to Anwar al-Awlaki as a “piece of shit” makes me wonder if you only value human life you can identify with? Odds are your will never refer to the “other minority Semites” (Jews) as human feces as you so liberally do the majority Semitic peoples (Arabs).

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

William Engdahl went on to tell RT that all the dead people in Syria were suicide
victims except for American corpses which had been smuggled in after the
pentagon had secretly killed thousands of OWS protesters using Russian-made
bullets and artillery rounds as part of the vast and seven-century long conspiracy
to ruin the spotless reputation of the Assad family of friendly despots,

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By blogdog, February 28, 2012 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

Color revolution false flag in Syria follows similar operation in Libya that resulted in 150,000 innocents slaughtered.
February 7th, 2012

http://tinyurl.com/6maepyk 

Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
February 7, 2012

Excerpts from the Arab League observers’ report on Syria make it clear that the establishment media is only telling part of the story and exaggerating violence by the al-Assad government and its police and military.

The report mentions an “armed entity’ that is killing civilians and police and conducting terrorist attacks targeting innocent civilians. Casualties from these attacks are attributed to the al-Assad government and used to build a case against Syria in the United Nations.

Egypt Color Revolution by CIA, MI6
Date:  Saturday, January 29, 2011
Author(s):  F. William Engdahl
Webster Griffin Tarpley
Tarpley, Engdahl Analyses on Russia Today

http://progressivepress.com/news/egypt-color-revolution-cia-mi6

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Protests inspired by the revolt in Tunisia have spread to Egypt, Yemen and
Algeria with citizens calling for governmental change. Authors Webster Tarpley
and William Engdahl argue that uprisings in Egypt and elsewhere in the Middle
East are orchestrated by the CIA, MI6 and NGO’s like Freedom House.

Watch Tarpley interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RTAmerica#p/u/0/1USdMUWbIdo

What is the motive? Mubarak is not dependent enough on the US-NATO-IMF.
Will CIA-MI6 succeed and what can they achieve? Can the demonstrators win
with the Internet turned off? The army is behind Mubarak, an ex-fighter pilot.
What if the US cuts off crucial wheat supplies to Egypt? And what might replace
Mubarak—another dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood? The US-sponsored
Green Revolutions failed in Iran and Lebanon…

But don’t the protestors have real grievances? Yes. The color revolution modus
operandi is to channel those aspirations for purposes of empire. Color
revolutions, but they are based on the world economic depression—jobless,
rising food and fuel prices, etc. The CIA wants to use the youth bulge to destroy
all the nation states of the MIddle East.

See Wm. Engdahl interview here:
http://rt.com/news/middle-east-unrest-versions/

“What happened in Georgia with the Rose Revolution and Orange Revolution in
Ukraine in 2003-2004 was part of a long-term strategy orchestrated by the
Pentagon, the State Department and various US-financed NGOs like Freedom
House and National Endowment for Democracy to create pro-NATO regime
change in those former Soviet Union areas and to literally encircle Russia…

”What is going on in the Middle East with the Jasmine Revolution in Tunisia that
we saw a few days ago, and now in Egypt with Mubarak in his 80s, and
obviously a regime that is not exactly the most stable one, we have a food
crisis taking place as a backdrop and the IMF coming and telling these countries
to eliminate their state food subsidies so you have, of course, the explosive
background for popular unrest. Within that you have these NGOs, like Freedom
House, training activists and trade unions and various other organizations to
demand democracy, demand human rights and so forth,” author and
researcher William Engdahl told RT.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 12:31 pm Link to this comment

jimmmmmmmmmmmy————I think the change in the character of the protest
had more to do with the fact the government starting killing the protesters,
blowing up their neighborhoods, and imprisoning and torturing thousands more
folks than with “outside meddling”.......the idea of meddling didn’t become real
popular until after that stuff started.

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By jimmmmmy, February 28, 2012 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

mr. lando has overdosed on u.s. media spin of events in syria. what started as an ows type protest, think oakland. has now, thanks to us meddling , become yet another proxy war. the invading coalition is intent on taking down another disagreeable tyant, and if its over civilian dead bodies so be it. it is the bush doctrine in action.

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By jim mcdonagh, February 28, 2012 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment
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this article is rubbish, warsaw ghetto ?come on.

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

gerard—- i don’t kill you. that would be too cowboy-and-indian for me. I do tell
you that your analogy bites the big one and that my dismissal of it hadn’t a damn
thing to do with discussing the morality of the treatment of people already living
in the western hemisphere prior to the arrival of Europeans.


enjoy the misplaced indignation if you must.

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By gerard, February 28, 2012 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

Amon Drool:  We need you here.  Don’t cave—even though it looks hopeless. Blessed are the kindly old liberal fuddy-duddies, for they shall learn from their mistakes, whereas .....

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By gerard, February 28, 2012 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

hetero:  You kill me!  Turning the attempted extinction of indigenous Americans by professing Crustians (note unconscious but revealing error!) who stole their land, gave them poisons, used guns against their frail arrows and axes, killed off their food for sport, pursued them relentlessly for two centuries, then closed in on them by breaking every promise made—turning that wretched slaughter into “cowboys and Indians” is sickening!

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By balkas, February 28, 2012 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

lando:
“UK unwilling to allow jews to go palestine”??
then, why balfour declaration ‘17, churchill’s praise for judaism and condemnation of arabs as an
uncivilized peoples, palestina mandate, and the right of europeans with mosheic cult to wrest palestina
from palestinians by war, terror, burning hundreds of their villages, and expelling about 800k residents
living there?
UK did in ‘45 indeed slow down illegal and immoral immigration into lands that did not belong to them,
but only because it was much, too much, impractical to do that.
palestina could have not in ‘45 safely supported overquick and massive immigration into palestine.
one needed first of all to have had built necessary infrastructure and to have expelled palestinian pop in
order to allow such a massive influx of people into palestina.
this guy is preaching zionism! thanks

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By blogdog, February 28, 2012 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

‘Western puppets smash dreams of new Libya’ -  Syria will be worse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3EYSSWUIRkA

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By heterochromatic, February 28, 2012 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

Robo—- the FACT is that the Assads have killed more Syrian citizens than the
Israelis have killed Palestinians in the same 40 year period.

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By basho, February 28, 2012 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

“—even the guys it last
happened to.”

no they’re too busy creating their own version of it.

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By SoTexGuy, February 28, 2012 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

No, the pepper-spraying, tear gassing and a few broken heads here in the US can’t be equated with the killing in Syria..  Then too, neither can gun wielding insurgents in the streets of Syria be compared to Occupiers sitting and chanting on our streets here.

The problem over there and over here is similar in that questioning and resisting authority brings brutality and repression. Our government is fully prepared and wiling to do the same things here should gunmen with hazy foreign backers attempt to take over some part of the countryside. Bombs, tanks, troops. They’re proving that now to any who wants to know by how they brutalize the peaceful Occupiers.

The reason I say Power to the Occupy movement in this context is that only they or something like their movement stands a chance to STOP what’s ongoing in Syria and elsewhere. Without a complete change of our foreign and domestic policies strife and inequality and poverty and criminal governments here and in
the wider world will go on forever. And we’ll be seeing another Syria in the news every so often.

Adios.

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By thethirdman, February 28, 2012 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

I can’t believe what I am reading.  Are you really advocating intervention?  Have you all been asleep for the last 250 years of American history?  Has intervention ever really been about helping people?  Oh, but this time it’s different. Yeah, right.  So, a leader of a country keeps rule in a way that you do not approve of and it’s up to us to change Syria’s government?  Did I accidentally find my way onto the Drudgereport?

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By diamond, February 28, 2012 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

“It’s easy to compare Syria to Nazis, but of course you can’t say anything aboutt he neofascist regime in Israel headed by the messianic maniac Netanyahu and former bouncer, now fascist thug Avigdor Lieberman.”

Avigdor Lieberman is the hero who beat up a twelve year old Arab boy and do I really need to say that he’s a complete nut job? I don’t know how many saw him talking about how Israel would not stand by and let Iran enter the ‘immunity zone’ (yep, that’s what they call it when someone gets nuclear weapons and they can’t attack them, occupy them and murder them and their children). Lieberman’s eyes while he mouthed this garbage were the eyes of a madman. He seemed to be already envisioning the bombing of Iran and enjoying every minute of it. He’s the hero baker/bomber of Israel and he shares his name and his Fascist politics with the despicable, unspeakable Joe Lieberman, known as the Senator from Tel Aviv.  And yes, it is easy to compare the Syrian regime to the Nazis because they are Nazis in all but name.

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By Robespierre115, February 28, 2012 at 2:20 am Link to this comment

@40-plus years of occupation have certainly killed more Palestinians than the entire uprising in Syria, that’s a fact. As for your interpretation of Israeli history, do yourself a favor and read “The Ethnic Cleansing Of Palestine” by ISRAELI historian Ilan Pappe.

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By blogdog, February 27, 2012 at 10:56 pm Link to this comment

Breaking News: 89% vote in favor of new Syrian Constitution
Global Research, February 27, 2012

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2951

Syria’s Interior Minister has announced that 89 per cent of those who took part
in the referendum have voted in favor of a new constitution. The new law puts
an end to five decades of one-party rule among other reforms put forward by
President Assad.

Interior Minister Ibrahim al-Shaar announced the results of the referendum at a
press conference on Monday.

According to the minister, out of 14,580,000 Syrians eligible to vote some
8,376,000, or about 57 per cent, actually came to the polling stations and
voted, RT’s Maria Finoshina reports from Damascus.

Al-Shaar said that the opposition groups tried to hamper the vote in some
troubled areas like Homs and Idlib. Armed rebels did not allow some people to
get to the polling stations he said.

Those who live in such troubled regions had a chance to vote at polling stations
which had been set up out of areas where clashes with the armed opposition
still continue. Syrians who live in neighboring countries voted at stations set up
near the borders.

“We are satisfied with the results,” al-Shaar said, as cited by Finoshina. “The
Syrian people have made their choice.”

The adopted constitution includes 14 new and 47 amended articles. The
reforms put forward by President Assad are designed to stop the bloody
uprising and pave the way for free elections in the country.

An unprecedented referendum on a new draft constitution took place in Syria
on Sunday. Syrians took an active part in the crucial vote and the officials said
turnout was very high.

Despite the fact that the opposition boycotted the referendum, calling it an
empty gesture, and called for mass protests, there were no public order
violations in Damascus during the vote.

Western politicians considered the referendum to be a farce, with US Secretary
of State Hillary Clinton calling it “a cynical ploy” and German Foreign Minister
Guido Westerwelle describing it as a “sham vote.”

Meanwhile, on Monday the European Union has slapped the Syrian government
with its toughest set of sanctions yet. They include an asset freeze on officials,
and a ban on importing precious metals and minerals from the country.

More than a year since the uprising in Syria began, violence is still raging on in
some parts of the country, including the flashpoint city of Homs, where dozens
were reported killed during the weekend.

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By Wonder Woman, February 27, 2012 at 9:20 pm Link to this comment
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Even though I’m sympathetic to those poor innocent souls being killed in Syria(no one can’t imagine their terror), the situation is much more complicated than the Warsaw uprising. There are puppet masters behind the scenes that have given arms to the many opposition groups, in which some of those groups are just as ruthless as the goverment. Also, the Western powers have inflame the problem by encouraging the opposition NOT to negotiate, or NOT given any peaceful solution to calm things down. 
An informative column to read is Robert Fisk’s assessment of Syria:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-new-cold-war-has-already-started—in-syria-7440620.html

A better example of Warsaw and “the forgotten people” is Israel’s Operation Cast Lead in which 1500 Palestinans were murdered. And, to this day, Palestinans are still dying of hunger, cold, and assassintions in the open air prison of the Gaza Strip.

Unfortunately for the Syrians, it is just the opposite;  they are very too well remembered.

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

gerard——the US has done it’s share of evil things and it’s perfectly lovely as well
to not attempt to make out as if it has done more than its share.


pour vous, a Charlotte Russe and a raspberry on top.

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By gerard, February 27, 2012 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

Hetero:  Perfectly lovely the way you can deny the crashingly obvious U.S. roles in the evils of human history. The Ballet Russe has nothing on you.

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

vec- you’re partially correct. some folks certainly do want to knock off Assad
because doing so will seriously disrupt Iranian subversion in the Arab states of
the Middle East and be a grave blow to the Iranians.


but that couldn’t be happening but for the facts of how vile the Syrian
dictatorship is and acts.


Sometimes folks do the right things for (mostly) the wrong reason.


other times even the wrong reason ain’t so bad.


niether the Syrian regime or the Iranian one is worth a day-old turd

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

gerard—- the civil war that has been fought between the Israelis and Arabs is
nothing like cowboys and indians.

The Jews are as much entitled to the land as the Arabs and it was the Arabs who
started the war because they swore that it must all be their own.

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By vector56, February 27, 2012 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

Give it a rest people! I realize the goal is to “hijack” the Arab Spring and turn it into a CIA wish list to re-colonize the countries that slipped away from Empire; but aren’t you guys being too obvious?

Libya was Charley Wilson’s War II; hell even the religious nuts we backed down there might be second cozens to the Taliban (real lady killers).

Now, we “Western Devils” get to once more pretend we give a rat’s ass ” about Arab life when we have gladly forced about 2 million Arabs to “give up the ghost” in Afghanistan Pakistan and Iraq for the 3000 lives lost here.

Bottom line, this is about being the opportunistic bastards we are and milking the Arabic Spring to knock off our old enemies!

Libya
Syria
Iran

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By gerard, February 27, 2012 at 8:48 pm Link to this comment

My dear Hetero:  No, it’s more like the U.S. settlers killing the indigenes because the white “settlers” (otherwise noted as (Christian) “Pilgrims” and “Puritans) —argh!—designated the “Red Men” (and women—and children)  as a “lesser breed without the law”—uncivilized, didn’t know the difference between money and beads—and therefore the settlers were “entitled” to cheat them and kill them and take their land—which “they were’t using anyway”! Pot and kettle, no?

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By Amon Drool, February 27, 2012 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

well…sometimes you just gotta draw a line.  i’ve
been at truthdig since 2008.  the continual drumbeat
of pro ‘humanitarian’ intervention syrian articles
over the last month has just become too much for me. 
i’m not saying that something shouldn’t be done, but
the something that truthdig is advocating i believe
will just lead to a bloody mess.  anyway, i’m done
with this site.

before leaving, i’d just like to wish all the best to
gerard, who i have differences with, but whose
humanity has shone through in all her comments.

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 8:33 pm Link to this comment

——And so this would explain why we let the Zionists
slaughter Palestinians in their homeland…. apathy? 
Or just political correctness?—-


sometimes it just justice.

other times not, but it’s surely not the same as a govt killing its own citizens
because they want a voice in governing themselves and an end to 40 years of
dictatorship.

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Surely you jest, Robo——- surely you can’t mean to
suggest that Syria killings several thousand of its own
citizens isn’t orders of magnitude different from
what’s happening in Gaza or the West Bank.

get real.

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By Robespierre115, February 27, 2012 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

Of course Lando is too chickenshit to mention another obvious comparison: GAZA or the West Bank. It’s easy to compare Syria to Nazis, but of course you can’t say anything aboutt he neofascist regime in Israel headed by the messianic maniac Netanyahu and former bouncer, now fascist thug Avigdor Lieberman.

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By gerard, February 27, 2012 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

OMMMMMMMM: There you go again with your false accusations. This time I “trivilaized the death of thousands.”  What a crock!
  Nevertheless, I can’t help but notice, stupid as I am, that both of you highly competitive over-achievers are listening to me. I must be getting something right.

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By fourthdimension, February 27, 2012 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment
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And so this would explain why we let the Zionists
slaughter Palestinians in their homeland…. apathy? 
Or just political correctness?  Something stinks about
this article; it is a call to invade yet another
country to spread our brand of “peace.”

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

gerard——I demand a recount! it’s not possible that I
wouldn’t have won in a walk.

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By EDWARD CIACCIO, February 27, 2012 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment
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SYRIA: US-NATO Behind the Killings of Civilians
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29516

Syria: Clinton Admits US On Same Side As Al Qaeda To Destabilise Assad Government
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29524

Intervention, Reloaded: Empire Studios’ Syrian Sequel
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29521

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By OzarkMichael, February 27, 2012 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

gerard, lets get some perspective here.

It is far nastier to trivialize the death of thousands. OWS has experienced nothing like that, and to compare OWS experience even remotely to what happened in Syria is OWS propaganda… which apparently you love to hear. Let me say that puts you in the running for Truthdigger of the Week, doesnt it?

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By gerard, February 27, 2012 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

Well, Ozark Michael, you win the Truthdig Award for
nastiness this week, in my book.  Enjoy yourself.

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By EDWARD CIACCIO, February 27, 2012 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment
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BEWARE SUPPOSED “HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTIONS” CARRIED OUT BY THE U.S & NATO:

Independence in the Brave New World Order: NATO’s Kosovo Colony by DIANA JOHNSTONE, the author of Fools’ Crusade: Yugoslavia, NATO and Western Delusion (Monthly Review Press.) She can be reached at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/02/18/nato-s-kosovo-colony/

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

STGuy===What’s going on in Syria is horrific.. more so
than what we visit on any number of peoples and
governments practically daily? I think not.====

think again and think better.

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By OzarkMichael, February 27, 2012 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

What’s going on in Syria is horrific.. more so than what we visit on any number of peoples and governments practically daily? I think not. These are questions brought to mind when we see peaceful protesters pepper sprayed and tasered right here on our streets..

Thus the blood and death of thousands is trivialized by equating it to a dozen whiney Occupiers with pepper spray in their eyes.

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By heterochromatic, February 27, 2012 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

Sadly, there wasn’t all that much that the world
could do to save the Jews of Warsaw even had the
world really given all that much of a shit.

And, of course, you’re right about the vast
difference in the scale of the slaughter. 200,000
murdered is a number that is nearly impossible to
digest.

However, there are thousands being killed in Syria by
the supposed government of that country and the dogs
of blog are crying that to try to do anything to save
them will only make things worse.

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By Mountain, February 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment
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Pretty soon it will be us. U.S. citizens. When they
came for the Syrians, we did nothing…

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By SoTexGuy, February 27, 2012 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Imagine if the world could or would see the truth of the US military occupations of Afghanistan, Iraq, Okinawa, Diego Garcia, the resource rich African nations.. our proxy occupations of Colombia, Honduras and Mexico..

It’s bad..  Is what’s going on in Syria so bad as to need our interventions? It seems that depends on our extended interests and goals. When is an armed insurrection against a government good or bad? How much force can a government use against it’s own citizens? Apparently the answers are if we the US of A do it.. that’s good. If some other power does it (and not at our behest)
then that’s bad!

What’s going on in Syria is horrific.. more so than what we visit on any number of peoples and governments practically daily? I think not. These are questions brought to mind when we see peaceful protesters pepper sprayed and tasered right here on our streets..

Power to the Occupy movement!

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By gerard, February 27, 2012 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

If the purpose of international relations was to save human lives, things would have been very different than they are. As it is, because we (along with other nation-states) have not had the courage
or foresight to empower and qualify some international civil liberties defense force to get in early on affairs like the Syrian massacre, we must be caught on the horns of endless dilemmas like this, potentially brewing here and there, because using force against force tends to make matters even worse at the time, and we prefer a guilty conscience for staying out rather than a guilty conscience for going in. Innocent people die and nobody “wins.”
How long, O Lord, before human beings learn how not to kill each other? And then not to debate for decades afterward whether they did “the lesser of two evils” or a worse evil—again.??
  Pity is that much of this primitive behavior could be lessened and at least in some cases avoided, if we all insisted on doing what we know has to be done. That is, strengthen and support friendship, stop producing rivalries, weapons and wars, and crawl out of the dark side into the light of better days.
  Isolationism doesn’t work.  Involvement using force doesn’t work. Turning away doesn’t work. What’s left but prevention via previous consistent mutually beneficial agreements—probably the only workable solution. (which has been recognized here and there for years—at least since WWI.)

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By Bryan, February 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment
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While it’s a compelling comparison between two sets
of western diplomats who are dithering in the face of
a militant power bearing down on helpless civilians,
there is at least one big difference you do not take
into account. Those Jews who were the victims before
now have their own country, their own military, and
their own diplomatic corps. If the situation is Syria
is “just like theirs” was in World War II, why don’t
we look to them to stand up for the trodden-upon
Syrian civilians. Oh, what’s that you say? There’s a
religious difference of opinion? Gee. I wonder if
that was true in World War II as well. Seventy years’
time hasn’t granted anyone the moral fortitude to
stand up and do something—even the guys it last
happened to.

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