ofersince72, - “You do not have to hate everything Jewish to have extreme contempt for the Israeli Government.”

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I wholeheartedly agree.  I’m unclear as to what that has to do with Shingo’s blinding hatred for Jews(?). 

He seems to want to blame Jews on which direction the sun rises and sets, how the Jet Stream flows, and the gravitational effects of the earth upon the moon.  Not only is that type of intolerance unreasonable, it’s inherently dangerous. 

What he spreads is the stuff wars are made of.  It saddens me greatly.

Go_Right_Young_Man

You do not have to hate everything Jewish to have
extreme contempy for the Isreali Government

I love my country,  but have extreme contempt for its
governance

Go_Right_Young_Man

You popped another bubble.

Shingo,

I hope, perhaps against all hope, that you put some serious time into understanding Clinton administration policy regarding Iraq. - As much time as you put into your vitriolic hatred of all things Jewish.

The Clinton administration never tried to have sanctions lifted from Iraq.  It only sought to “change” sanctions.

Contrary to what you have come to believe President Clinton, in 1996, spoke repeatedly on how Saddam Hussein was a prime example of the many threats that faced the world at that time.  I highly doubt anyone forced him to describe Hussein in such a manner.

If you still have doubts please locate and read President Clinton’s Feb. 1998 speech at the Pentagon.  Please the read the Iraq Liberation Act of October of that same year.

If your doubts remain you could locate and study the number of democrats who passionately defended President Clinton on the subject.

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Food for thought:

* President Bill Clinton: “If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”

* Vice President Al Gore: “Iraq does pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf and we should organize an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”

* Madeline Albright: “Iraq is a long way from Ohio, but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face. And it is a threat against which we must, and will, stand firm.”

“The evidence is strong that Iraq continues to hide prohibited weapons and materials. There remains a critical gap between the number of weapons we know Iraq produced and the amount we can confirm were destroyed.”

* Sandy Berger: “Imagine the consequences if Saddam fails to comply and we fail to act. Saddam will be emboldened, believing the international community has lost its will. He will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. And some day, some way, I am certain, he will use that arsenal again….”

* From the Office of Senator Edward M. Kennedy: “No one disputes that America has lasting and important interests in the Persian Gulf, or that Iraq poses a significant challenge to U.S. interests. There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein’s regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed. “

An occupant of the US “presidency,” who not only continues, but
rather has accelerated the programs established by Bush00, and
enlarged them to a factor of 2.8X their original size, is labled as
“the best” ?? 

What always rises to the top of streams into which a city´s toilets
are flushed?  The same with politics, world-wide, typically. 
Especially the US, since D. D. Eisenhower.  Who, gave the US
citizenry a predictive warning, which has since come true - - . 
What happened to JFKSr.,
who tried to right some wrongs ?
And JFKJr, who tried to publicly reveal important truths ?

The intellect of the USA is unfortunately measured by its
disinterest in “Operation Paper Clip.”  Until recently.

The alleged “academic achievements” of one Mr. B.H. Obama - or whatever his names - have not been verified by either degrees or university transcripts. 

He was pulled up into the lawyer kingdom by his boot-strings, by his well-qualified wife, whose academic achievement and certifications have been verified. And, who in a TV interview stated his “home land” to be Kenya, not Hawaii.  Of the two persons, she is trustworthy.  Perhaps naïve, yet trustworthy, and much better qualified for the presidency of the USofA.

His initiation into the inner sanctum of a satanical, political cult >probably< did not require him to murder a group of hippies and skin them.  However, former CIA operatives have suggested that his twenty years of service to the CIA required similarly sinister activities in the “Middle East” area.  Which activity has encompassed the “murders” of many thousands of foreign-land natives, trying to defend their homelands against unwarranted, US military attack.  In addition, the deaths of several thousand American soldier-types, plus between three and five thousand international folk in the Twin Towers, require well-considered association.  The “acting career,” of Mr. B.H. Obama with the CIA, prepared him well for his current theatrical performances. 

World-wide sympathy abroad and at home for the abuse of the Negroid race by USA leadership of English-German-Spanish heritage politicians, is scarcely solid grounds for electing a foreign-born person to the US “presidency,” disregarding the U.S. Constitution in the process.

Hate to pop the bubbles, but the world approval is related to Obama, not America. The world view of American’s is that they are an untrustworthy lot of greed driven zelots that would sell their souls for a dollar, and love to point the finger of blame for their problems at the outside world - which, for the most part, they don’t even know actually exists beyond their borders which they believe to be on the edge of space somewhere near heaven.

Yep.
In addition,
the Barry Hussein Obama shift has also speeded up the
murder/plunder machine left behind by the NAZI Bush family..

It is the israeli dictator-types who fear that Iran might acquire a
nuclear bomb of some sort, which would level the playing field in
the land of Palestine somewhat.  The history of the israeli tribe,
considering 200 nukes in their hands, should be of concern to world
leadership.  That Iran might be enhancing uranium is nothing,
comparatively speaking.

“Assuming most all journalists to be mindless followers is a massive rationalization. - Knowing something of human nature can be helpful.”

Most all journalists want a job and will do what is required to get one and hold onto it.

“General Electric’s CEO is an outspoken democrat and Obama supporter.”

As an individual he might be, but as it turns out, Obama has continued Bsuh’s policies almost to the letter.

Go Right Young Man,

“The real question has little to do with George Bush.  The real question is why did so many democrats felt the need to lie about WMD in Iraq?”

That is a good question.  It goes to the very problem of the right wing and our military machine dicating the narrative.

After Gulf War 1, Bush Snr helped draft the UN Resolutions calling for Iraq to disarm, and the sanctions that were tied to these Resolutions.

The Republicans were incensed that Bush would allow Saddam to get away, but Bush stated that same year that the sanctions would remain in place even if Iraq complied, so long as Saddam remained in power.  The CIA had predicted that Saddam would collapse in 6 months.  Thus the US policy was set in stone that Iraqi compliance with UN Resolutions would not be recognized.

Any effort by Clinton and subsequent administrations to lift the sacntions would be met with swift rebuke that the administration was soft on defense and appeased dictators etc.  Clinton tried to have the sanctions lfted in 1996, btu hit a brick wall with a Republican Controller Congress.

Putting aside all of this “people of hill” which is not important actually, and focusing on President Obama’s attendance at the memorial service being held for the coal miners killed on April 5, you can see the kind of tight rope that Barry, who wants to please everybody and winds up not pleasing anyone, is trying to walk.
The mainstream media nearly always depict the people who actually have to do the work, as being so pro-Massey Energy that they welcome having mountaintops blown up and their drinking water turned into sludge, as long as there are jobs.
President Obama, having his political ass kicked in West Virginia twice, first by the people of Hillary Clinton in the primary, and John McCain in the general election, certainly has handlers who hope he can pull off some kind of good impression using his rhetorical skills.
It is a sad time for the people of West Virginia, who are told to campaign for coal country, or else, as the saying goes, their whole way of life will disappear.
How much worse can it get than being poor, desperate and confused?

Regardless, I sure enjoying reading your posts.
It is me thats the hillbilly.

Yes hillbilly is a regional term. A person can call their self a hillbilly, through a process of elimination. IF YOU ARE NOT apart of the well-heeled crowd who have houses with “drives” and membership in the country club, or like Gayle, Oprah Winfrey’s best friend, you only want to consider the opinions of those with a full set of teeth… well it just might be you could be “people of hill” as one idiot so politely put it.
On a personal note, my late father, who hailed from Kentucky, called himself “a brier hopper”. whose family roots included leaving West Virginia to get out of the line of fire during the Hatfield-McCoy feud. Poor folks who saw everything from mining company script to white lightening moonshine. Hillbillies? And proud of it. A dignity not defined by cash.

The term hillbilly was originally a regional term, associated with
country and bluegrass music, not dumbidity.  Persons who wish to
associate the term with dumbidity should stop sniffin. 

Coke ruins not only nasal passages, but also alters the brain. Just take
a look at top level politicians and many congresspersons and former and
current US presidential staffs.  While CIA goons furtively import it,
they dont use it.  Their goal is to use it to destroy the USA structure,
not to go down with it.  (if they could only see around the corner . . )

The Beerdoctor is neither dumb nor a hillbilly

Well said, thebeerdoctor !

The age-old saying, so aptly applied by WWII NAZI Gen Goebels,
repeated by the US NAZI Mediapuppetry since 1980, 
no longer applies to enlightened Americans _
“- repeat something long enough and people will believe it.” 

Once upon a time.

No longer.

As usual, main stream op-ed praises President Obama’s international reputation. and a whole trunk of political diatribes ensue. I do take issue with the idea that the grown-ups are back in charge, when Barry says things like this:
“Ultimately there is no dividing line between Main Street and Wall Street. We rise or we fall together as one nation. So I urge you to join me.”
April 22, 2010

As Les Leopold said on The Huffington Post: “Really?”
It must be nice to live in that fantasy world of President Obama, where Lloyd Blankfein and this hillbilly in the basement share the same space together. Together? Is that what gated communities are about? Is that why those political grown-ups need to spend millions of dollars on limos, chartered planes and floral arrangements? Is that why that ‘whale’ who just might make a contribution to the Party (either one, take your pick) needs to be comped for his booze, cigars and strip club?
But according to our intelligent adult President, I am suppose to know that Blankfein, Dimon and the rest, are “savvy businessmen”.
If that is the case, I awake each morning thankful that I am dumber than dirt.

Glancing through what’s already been said, the one thing that sticks out in many comments is scorn.
These jibes show nothing so much as complete lack of understanding of the depth and breadth of current problems.  Instead, they are marked by childish impatience—“Here! Gimme that. you (disrespectful insult of choice)!  I can fix it better than you can, so there!”
  Makes you wonder where all that bile is coming from, and why. And would any of the scorners like to take Obama’s place?  And if they did, how much change could they bring without the active support of millions of citizens?  (And who would support mouthfuls of disrespectful insult?)
  And how many issues would be totally beyond the ken of such commenters?  How long would it take them to get up to speed on huge problems of economics and social disintegration and then summon the courage to even get out of bed in the morning?
  Further, anyone who dares to defend him is almost sure to get a good lambasting also.  Makes you wonder.

“He deserves great credit for the success he has achieved so far.”

Success in what, being a con-artist ?
Regardless of how much smoother a con-artist he is, in comparison
to “junior” Bush. 

How will the average American, who is marginally familiar with the
US Constitution, feel when it comes to light that Mrs. Obama was
accurate when she stated on TV that his home country is _ _ _ _ ?
Not Hawaii, not the USA.

TO REGAIN THE RESPECT OF THE REST OF THE WORLD, WE NEED TO
SEVERE THE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WE SEND TO THESE COUNTRIES IN
FOREIGN AID. JUST TELL THEM WE WILL TRADE WITH THEM ON A EVEN
KEEL. FOR TO LONG WE HAVE SPENT THIS COUNTRY’S WEALTH IN SAVING
THEIR BUTTS AND ITS NOW TIME FOR THEM TO FIN FOR THEM SELVES.LIKE
CHILDREN, YOU HAVE TO SHOW TOUGH LOVE FOR THEM TO
UNDERSTAND

Obama has a long way ahead at home. Internationally, I would not judge him much at the moment. Because in this period of media management politics, it is difficult to assess the right impact. Further it takes a small fraction of a moment to change the situation in politics.

His real test will come in Afghanistan, “How he handles the most troublesome and volatile Islamic fundamentalists in Pakistan”, nay the nation as a whole. How safely does he get out of this mess, will determine, not only the peace and future of South Asia, but the US itself too.

Untill I see him realise the stark veracity of the Pakistani mindset, and deal with the east and west side of Pakistan at equal footing, he is not going to get anywhere. This is for sure. He has to be realistic and pragmatic.
Dr. O. P. sudrania

Sarah Palin’s America would be much more powerful, peaceful, and prosperous.

Apparently bowing isn’t enough, maybe he should try getting on his hands and knees and kissing their ass!!!!

ONE IF BY LAND

I intend to keep “on truckin”, I have been blessed in
many ways.  It is a shame for so many people around the
world that all Americans need is a “feel good” speech
about a change that never occurs to keep them voting the
oppressive domination that has destroyed so much, indeed
the world does hate dumb.

ofersince72:  I love that “most of the world hates dumb” line of rudyspeaks1.  Says it all.  Once we get that through our heads, things will change for the better.  Till then, well ... keep on truckin’—for all the good it will do ya.

What happened to just say NO !!

his nuclear pact was just pompus way of saying
we ain’t changing nothin.
His Cairo speech is sneered upon as backs the murderous
president of Egypt.
GTMO is still there so is the torture in Kabul.

Mr. Split tongue that everyone makes excuses for
because of their “feel good” vote

Luv you Gerard, it ain’t me thats delusional, see ya

Early evidences of being “intelligent enough to recognize our responsibility in the world”: 
  1. speaking directly to the Muslum world with some respect and knowledge
  2. early on statement of ambition to get rid of nuclear weapons and early trip to Russia to push this issue forward a notch.
  3. early statement of intention to get rid of Guantanamo and both wars

  It is sad to see that he has not been able to make progress on these intractable problems, due to opposition from many powerful money interests that have been owning and operating the government for some years now. The military-industrial-complex has been running things ever since Eisenhower and is not about to give up its dominance without a struggle with millions of people actively opposing it and working for economic alternatives. To expect otherwise under these circumstances is delusional.

Hey, ole Injun,  I see what you mean,
I am long gone too !!!!!!!!!!!

“he is intelligent enough to recognize America’s
responsibility in the world..”

How is that?

Oh man, what a lousy piece of pro imperialist
apologetics. It never occurs to Conason that there
might be something wrong with U.S. military
aggression, or how the primary victims of it in rural
Afghanistan under President Hope-a-Dope might feel
about it. Let’s talk about how people, who are not
being terrorized by drone attacks, in Britain feel
about the U.S. Let’s worry about the U.S. “image” in
places where people aren’t being terrorized by the
U.S. military.

This is what I call the “Lipstick on a Pig Effect”.
Put a Democrat in the White House, smooth talking con
men like Clinton and Obama, and the U.S. will look
nicer in certain parts of the world, most notably
among privileged sectors of the wealthy nations. And
that’s true, but why is that anything to celebrate? I
don’t want the U.S. government to look nice. The U.S.
government is a rapacious imperial power no matter
who leads it. The demobilizing effect Obama has had
on the anti-war movement is nothing to celebrate, but
rather something to mourn.

Miko:  The reason that, under Obama, the American image is improving abroad is largely due, I think, to the fact that he is intelligent enough to publicly recognize America’s responsibilities in the world.
  The Japanese have a proverb for it:  “When America sneezes, Japan catches pneumonia.”  Of course it is hard for uneducated Americans to believe that the effect of the American sneeze is worldwide pneumonia, but that is the unhealthy point things had reached under the “dominionism” of Bush and Co.
  That is probably part of what the Nobel was about—a gesture of appreciation for promising to cut back on the poisonous effects of American dominion, ignorance and exploitation. The fact that it was so widely belittled here only proved the point.
  America—more properly known as the United States—is gradualy catching on to the fact that its geographic isolation enabled it to pretend to be “independent” and “special” for a couple hundred years, but at last the cat is out of the bag.  We are human!  We are not as well educated as we should be!  We have made some mistakes!  We need to acknowledge “all our relations” with humanity and stop trying to push people around.

I suspect that the Israelis don’t like Obama one bit, and if they can do it, they’ll try by hook or crook or every underhanded trick in the book to make possible a Republican takeover of at least the House this year (if not the Senate, too), and of the White House in 2012. Likud, after all, wants an unabashedly pro-Israeli administration in power in Mordor-on-the-Potomac. The Repubs, remember, are Israel’s biggest tuchas-lechers in this country (all except Ron Paul) ...

rudyspeaks, - “A “liberal” journalist working for them (GE for example) is like a vegetarian waiter working in a steak house; deliver the meat or you’re fired.”

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Assuming most all journalists to be mindless followers is a massive rationalization. - Knowing something of human nature can be helpful.

General Electric’s CEO is an outspoken democrat and Obama supporter. - An individual’s perceptions can often be an unbending force.

Hah! Did I anticipate GRYM or what? The usual right wing blather. “80% of
journalists and editors in the United States are self-proclaimed Democrats.”
Which means only that they’re required to understand the difference between
facts and opinions, a rare talent on the right. More cogent is the fact that c.
95% of media ownership is concentrated in the hands of 5 groups of
billionaires, 4 right wing families (Murdoch, Luce, Disney and Redstone) and
GE, the world’s largest weapons maker. A “liberal” journalist working for them
is like a vegetarian waiter working in a steak house; deliver the meat or you’re
fired. Prior to the Iraq War the media presented 4 pro-war “experts” for every 1
person representing what we now can be certain was the Truth. Some “left-
wing slant”. Then he goes on to cherry-pick a couple of media incidents and
represent them as some sort of assassination of America’s image (How dare Joe
Wilson tell us the truth about Bush’s Niger yellow-cake lies?) His Ted Kennedy
claims may be correct (‘tho likely in context, to be very different from his
representation)... after all, Conason never implied any real difference between
the 2 administrations, I point I made in my previous post. But, as I said, this
isn’t what will rattle the knuckle-draggers. It’s the clearly correct observation
that their “know nothing” redneck style is repulsive outside the US.

80% of journalists and editors in the United States are self-proclaimed Democrats.  These are the people giving the general public context on current events.

Who is surprised today that U.S. approval ratings are rising?  Joe Conason?

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Global approval ratings of the United States dropped precipitously after July 15 2003.  Nine days after the New York Times ran Joe Wilson’s now famous Op-Ed.  The Day Ted Kennedy charged in a speech that President Bush “mislead” Americans.

Of course 80% of American journalists and editors neglected to lend some much needed context.  They neglected to inform the public that it was Ted Kennedy himself who had been warning the world about Saddam Hussein’s WMD as far back as 1996.

Many here will doubt this last claim I make.  Those same individuals will be unable to doubt my claim after they search the term. “Ted Kennedy+WMD+Clinton.  One can go even further and search the term “Pelosi+WMD+Clinton” or “Dashle+WMD+Iraq.

The real question has little to do with George Bush.  The real question is why did so many democrats felt the need to lie about WMD in Iraq?

As I read this article I thought, “How long will it take the trolls who seem to lurk
on this site to respond with their vacuous playground taunts?”, scrolled down and,
Voila! Look, I didn’t vote for Obomber and I consider him to be simply “this year’s
model” as a salesman for the bankers’ cartel and their corporate allies. But this
isn’t about substance for the Fox “News” crowd, it never is, actually. What the
“Crazy Quarter” (the 23% of Americans who test out as Authoritarian Personalities)
hate about Obama isn’t his policies, largely unchanged from Bush, but the illusion
of someone who thinks, reads, reflects. And, of course, his color. Nothing in
Conason’s article contended that any Gov’t. policies had changed substantially.
Simply that the new salesman was pretty effective. The trolls hate acknowledging
that most of the world hates “Dumb”.

Do people who now look at US with a smiling eye also approve of US slaughters?
Also denial of health care? So, what do these people actually approve of? Is it obama’s one smiling and the other scowling eye? Let us know please what is it they approve of?
But then it cld be just his walk, talk, and poise? tnx

No Kidding, according to Garp????

Took you 3 posts to say

“Nah-Nah! I don’t care what you think either!”

One thing’s for sure.  You’re not “America’s Greatest Intellectual”.

and I really don’t give a Rat’s ass what you think
about what I think….

As a matter from reading your posts,  I don’t believe
you do think….You let others do it for you.!!!!

P.S.
I care what I think !!!!!!!

“the rest of the world is breathing easier..”
What planet do you live on…it sure isn’t this one…

ofersince72, April 22 at 2:51 am #

He is beating out Bush in world opinion, I’m impressed
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Who Cares what you think?

The rest of the world is breathing easier knowing we no longer have an arrogant incompetent jackass in charge who ignores basic facts and listens to crazy, rabid ideologues who see the US as the new Romans.

THEY know that the grown-ups are back in charge in America.

He is beating out Bush in world opinion, I’m impressed