call me Roy,

“In “The Islamic Antichrist,” the world renouned author Joel Richardson breaks new ground with the connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi.”

According to whom is Joel Richardson world renouned?

According to Christian Zionist John Hagee, the anti-Chris will be a Jew.  Which Zionist do you want to believe?

“Richardson’s stunning research and analysis suggest that it is.”

How does one conduct research, let alone “stunning research” into something that does not exist, and how can something that has not yet happened be truth?

Joshua,

You are indeed confused:

“1. Actually, most Islamic governments don’t recognize the legitimacy of the Israli state. Period. Borders with the proposed Palestinian state are irrelevant”

22 of then signed a peace initiative, which offers to recolonize Israel as per the 1856 borders. Even Hams, Hezbollah and Iran said they would accept these terms.

Israel has rejected the offer.

“2. After Israel’s experience with giving up Gaza and being shelled in gratitude, don’t expect Israel to be in a hurry to give up more ground.”

That might have something to do with the fact that Israel fired 7,700 shells into Gaza as a parting gift over the 10 months following their withdrawl.

It might have something to do with the 3 year, illegal blockade of Gaza, that is an act of war.

it might have something to do with the fact that Israel invaded Gaza after Hamas were elected, arresting hundreds of Hamas lawmakers and killed nearly 300 Palestinians.

It might have something to do with the fact that Israel backed Fatah in a failed coup to overthrow Hamas in 2007.

It might have something to do with the fact that, as Idith Zertal and Akiva Eldar recorded in their study, “Lords of the Land”:

“After Israel withdrew it’s forces from Gaza, in August 2005, the ruined territory was not released for even a single day from Israel’s military grip, or from the price of the occupation that the inhabitants pay every day. Israel left behind scotched earth, devastated services, and people with nearly a present or a future. The Jewish settlements were destroyed in an ungenerous move by an unenlightened occupier, which in fact continues to control the territory and kill and harass it’s inhabitants, by means of it’s formidable military might.”

It might even have something to do with the fact that after a 4 months ceasefire in 2008, Israel broke the ceasefire and launched an attack on Gaza that massacred 1,400 people.

“3. If the United States wants to live in peace with Islamic countries, it could start by not setting up “governments in a box,” and not bombing the inhabitants. To blame Israel for its unpopularity in that part of the world is just silly.”

Partly true.  The US has guaranteed Israel’s security and it remain in Iraq to provide security to Israel.

I hope that alleviates your confusion.

Spamming again Roy, I’ve seen this same post on other threads.

Lazy, Lazy, Lazy

Just got my Norman Finklesteins book.
“THIS TIME, WEVE GONE TO FAR”
and Norms right.
This is getting interesting.
Gen.Petraius (spell goof) is right when he states that the world hates the America
IZZY combo, and its time to change the tune.
Back to the times, they are a changin…
I guess the can just leave thew keys under the door when when they evacuate the
illegal settlements.

ROY:

Blah blah blah….

No amount of drivel and lying and bullshit is going to change the fact that you’re a racist bigot who supports a murdering regime hell bent of creating conflict in the Middle East.

Keep up your bullshit…I’m sure the media wing of the IDF pays you well for your constant drivel.

Oh Yes !  Anger management.  Is that the N.W.O. term for genocide, the activity engaged in by comrade Netanyahu and his tribe ?  Does he and his tribe think that the WWII NAZIs moved to Palestine ?  Of course he knows they moved to D.C. and scattered US cities,  renamed themselves “C.I.A.” and have taken over the US and other western governments, such as Greece - -. 

Collapsing the Greek economy and trying to drag in the EU to collapse the EURO is a bit more transparent than they thought.  Since they continue to supply the Netanyahu tribe with a daily stipend of about $18million, and have promised him about 400 underground fortification busters, with possible USAF delivery service, certainly he must know that the WWII NAZI offspring do not reside in Palestine ? 

A few US government, “bad actors” making ugly faces and trying to make it appear to the world that the posterity of the “Heil and Sieg” types are trying to influence the Netanyahu tribe to discontinue their anger-management activities against innocent Palestinians, are not having much success.  The world sees him and his tribe increasing their anger-management activities against innocent Palestinians, while telling US leaders where to stick it, during their continuation of the +-$18 million, daily stipend.

So far, he hasn´t told them to “smile and be happy,” while sticking it. Or has he ??

Arabian Sindad, Nozferatu and Drbhelthi
I love it, I was right, say, are you guys are those movie stars who played the terrorist parts in the “True Lies” movie. Your speech betrays you. Oh wait, maybe it was the movie “Black Sunday.” Or was it “A Son of the Sahara” or “The Black Stallion”, or maybe “Iron Eagle” or “Death Before Dishonor” or “Navy SEALs” or I know it’s “The Delta Force” or “Patriot Games” or could it be “Executive Decision” or many peoples favorite “Reel Bad Arabs.” Gee, there are so many to pick from. Anyway, you guys go out and rent these and I am sure you will enjoy watching yourselves. If you guys find that these movies have helped you in any way, please guys, for your own sake, go see if you can get some anger management help. There is help out there.

Vampire and Sinbad:
I most certainly know what a Semite is.  You just are re-writing history so that the term “Anti-Semite” doesn’t mean what it was intended to mean.

As for Sinbad’s attacks on German Jews destroyed by Hitler:  I guess you’ll attack Jews for defending themselves, and for NOT defending themselves.  “Heads, I win. Tails, you lose.”

Or this crackpot idea from Sinbad: German Jews were brainwashed by Zionists….RIGHHHHHTTTTT!  Support THAT pipe-dream, please!

You should probably also call Gypsies and Communists and Socialists and the half-million Catholics who died in the Holocaust, all who weren’t Jess, cowards as well.  See, while 6.5 million Jews died in the camps and from the death squads, nearly 6 million OTHERS were murdered by Hitler in the Holocaust as well.  I guess they were all cowards too.

Figures, from someone who sees as a hero a guy who walks into a pizza parlor full of children and detonates an explosive vest.

Study history, don’t assume.  It just makes an ASS out of U not ME (ASS-U-ME in case you didn’t get it).

Inheret,

You don’t even have a clue what “Semite” is.

By Inherit The Wind, March 21 at 3:19 pm #

Interesting revelation from someone who would be considered backward if he lived in the 13th century.

Since you obviously know NOTHING about the history of Jews in Germany, and haven’t bothered to learn, I’m not inclined to teach you.  I will tell you this: That VERY question is part and parcel to the reason for Israel’s existence today. And I will give you a hint: Unlike Eastern Europe, Jews abandoned Yiddish in Germany and spoke German, and thought of themselves as Germans, who happened to be Jewish.

It’s amazing on SO many topics that you have NO idea what you are talking about.
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Actually, your response to my pointed question is no answer at all; it’s rather the proverbial evading of answer either because you don’t know the answer or because the answer is embarrassing.

Let me suggest an answer for you! One possible answer is because the Jews of Germany, despite their wealth and numbers, were disunited and cowards to put up a courageous resistance to demand being treated with respect in the lands of their birth.

Another part of the answer is that they were brainwashed by the Zionist propaganda to go to a “land without a people for a people without a land (i.e. Palestine;” one of the big lies and myths of Zionism.

You know, if you appreciate courage, then you should take your hat off in respect for the Palestinians’ courage to defend and die for their places of birth. This is despite the fact that the Palestinians as a nation, were never materially prosperous as the Jews were in Germany. Unlike the Jews of Germany and surrounding countries, and despite the material odds against them, the Palestinians will not allow themselves to cowardly run in masses from their homelands. That’s why they are putting an honorable resistance in a struggle for life or death, despite all the massacres they endured at the hands of Zionists. 

Then after evading an answer you tell me this: “I will tell you this: That VERY question is part and parcel to the reason for Israel’s existence today.”

So you’re saying, en essence, that thanks to Antisemitism in Europe, Israel exists today. By extended logic, this means that thanks to the Holocaust, Israel exists today! What a very absurd logic to justify the artificial creation of a nation-state called Israel on the lands inhabited by the native Palestinians!

Yet despite my educated effort to answer my own question which you evaded, I find myself unsure about my explanation in light of the fact that official Zionism only started towards the end of the 19th century, following the publication of “The Jewish State” by Hertzel.

Since, despite all your pompous and empty claim to knowledge, I know for sure that you need a lot of education. Let me suggest for you the three volumes of Alan Hart’s “Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews.” The other book is Shlomo Sand’s “The Invention of the Jewish People;” which was reviewed on Truthdig not a long time ago!

Interesting revelation,ITW, that your frame of mind is fixated on the 19th century and more so in a setting where the Jews / Semites were so much hated. The year 1860 precedes by almost a century the Holocaust instigated by Hitler’s ideology. My question for you is this: Why didn’t the Jews of Germany, being a wealthy and large minority, put up an honorable fight early on to prevent Jew-hating from culminating into the Holocaust of almost a century later?!
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Interesting revelation from someone who would be considered backward if he lived in the 13th century.

Since you obviously know NOTHING about the history of Jews in Germany, and haven’t bothered to learn, I’m not inclined to teach you.  I will tell you this: That VERY question is part and parcel to the reason for Israel’s existence today. And I will give you a hint: Unlike Eastern Europe, Jews abandoned Yiddish in Germany and spoke German, and thought of themselves as Germans, who happened to be Jewish.

It’s amazing on SO many topics that you have NO idea what you are talking about.

By Inherit The Wind, March 21 at 1:10 pm #

“Anti-Semitism” was coined in Germany in 1860 as a “better” phrase than the crude “Jew-haters”.
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Interesting revelation,ITW, that your frame of mind is fixated on the 19th century and more so in a setting where the Jews / Semites were so much hated. The year 1860 precedes by almost a century the Holocaust instigated by Hitler’s ideology. My question for you is this: Why didn’t the Jews of Germany, being a wealthy and large minority, put up an honorable fight early on to prevent Jew-hating from culminating into the Holocaust of almost a century later?!

And how many times I and others reminded you that we are more pure Semites than all the Jews in the world?

Try to be created and thoughtful if you want to be taken seriously!
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If you bothered to educate yourself you’d know that “anti-Semitism” was coined in Germany in 1860 as a “better” phrase than the crude “Jew-haters”.  It no more refers to ALL Semites then “Butterfly” refers to a fly coated in butter.  Your argument is nothing but a weak red-herring.

As for being taken seriously by YOU????  I don’t how I’ll manage to live without it!
(ROFLMAO!)

You more than make up for a lack of a rag with those stupid bangles.  Keep knocking that head!

The public is finally awakening to the fact that the current state of Israel is for “Jews only”.  The minorities in that state and in the surrounding occupied territories are being victimized much as they were in South Africa by way of laws.

South Africa remains after the dismantling of the aparthheid regime.  The country of Israel would remain and would have political parties assuring representation regardless of being jewish, christian, Islamic or agnostic.

Correction!

The last sentence in my previous post should read:

“Try to be creative and thoughtful if you want to be taken seriously!”

Inherit The Wind, March 21 at 8:27 am #

“Wow! All the usual Jew-hating anti-semites line up, pretending to be progressives and spout the usual shit.
Sinbad: If Israel disappears tomorrow there won’t be peace in the Middle East.”
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How many times you’ve been using the worn out cliche of labeling your opponents as Jew-hating, anti-Semites?
And how many times I and others reminded you that we are more pure Semites than all the Jews in the world?

Try to be created and thoughtful if you want to be taken seriously!

congratulations JdmysticDJ
You just condensed several textbooks.
The current “Israel” is a tribe of vagabonds who
wrap their existence and behavior on a “god” that
they have postulated, and which their PR system has
successfully bestowed on the western world.  Thus,
their PR wing, AIPAC, manipulates the US congress
“dummies” to do their incessant bidding. 
However, this tribe can be trusted 100%. 
To continue their historical behavior, genocide and
pillaging of their “brothers,” secure with the 200
nuclear weapons bestowed by “uncle sugar” on them at
bargain-basement prices, the result of “Israelis”
who have infiltrated US “leadership.”  Meanwhile,
they own the “Federal Reserve.” 

Stupid American leadership, preparing to
attack Iran, who simply wants to live and let live. 
In order to equalize the “mid east” turmoil, the US
might bestow 200 nukes on the Arabs, essentially
Iran.  At the same time, the US “Leadership” would
have to stop its falsified wars in Arab lands,
especially the artificially-inspired “War on
Terror,” simply by tethering the CIA.  Meanwhile,
the world court might return its bribe to the Bush
consortium and assume its rightful place in the
world.  If it still has one - - . . .

Wow! All the usual Jew-hating anti-semites line up, pretending to be progressives and spout the usual shit.  Sinbad: If Israel disappears tomorrow there won’t be peace in the Middle East.  Every leader of every Arab nation dreams of being the next Caliph—and that means conquering all the other Caliph-pretenders.  I don’t care if it’s Qaddaffi or Mubarak or the King of Saudi or whomever—they ALL dream of being Caliph and there can be NO peace in the region until they come into the 21st century.

On the other hand, Call me Roy lines up to spout his OWN line of bullshit about how poor Bibi was being picked on by Obama when he worked SO hard to make peace. BULLSHIT! From the moment Netanyahu came to the PM he’s been working to undermine ALL restrictions on the expansion into the West Bank.  The Biden moment was only the latest.  All year Bibi has been saying things like “Ceasing expansion doesn’t include building to accommodate growing families” etc.

Did anyone actually READ Pfaff’s article? It’s very, very good, and very, very perceptive.  I only disagree with the “hypocrisy” assessment.  I see no hypocrisy in Obama’s realizing what lying shits Likud and Netanyahu are and his VP and SecState responding to it.

Roy, Is it alright if I call you Roy?

Your post, By call me Roy, March 19 at 10:47 am

Is nothing but talking points. It ignores the complexities of the conflict and distorts the issues. Like all talking points, it relies on false truisms, and ignores a balanced and studied appraisal of the issue.

Your authoritarian sources are well known neocons. “Robert Kagan is co-founder with William Kristol of the Project for the New American Century.”

When Arabs were confronted with the following,

“In a 15 July 1937 editorial, David Ben-Gurion implied that partition could never be an acceptable long-term solution: ‘The Jewish people have always regarded, and will continue to regard Palestine as a whole, as a single country which is theirs in a national sense and will become theirs once again. No Jew will accept partition as a just and rightful solution.’[5] During the Congress, Ben Gurion supported the proposal to partition Palestine into a Jewish and an Arab state.[6] At the same time, he delivered speeches which made it clear that he did not accept partition as a final solution: ‘If I had been faced with the question: a Jewish state in the west of the land of Israel in return for giving up on our historical right to the entire land of Israel I would have postponed the establishment of the state. No Jew is entitled to give up the right of the Jewish nation to the land. It is not in the authority of any Jew or of any Jewish body; it is not even in the authority of the entire nation alive today to give up any part of the land’... ...”

Is it any wonder that Arabs were opposed to partition?

Preliminaries to the 1967 war are important, when considering Arab refusal to accept the land for peace proposal by Israel.

“Moshe Dayan, the Israeli defense minister at the time of the war, stated in an interview not published until 1997 that Israeli policy on the Syrian border between 1949 and 1967 consisted of “snatching bits of territory and holding on to it until the enemy despairs and gives it to us.”

“Menachem Begin stated that “The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches did not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”

“UN Secretary General, U Thant, visited Cairo for mediation and recommended a moratorium in the Straits of Tiran and a renewed diplomatic effort to solve the crisis. Egypt agreed and Israel rejected these proposals.”

“The U.S. also tried to mediate, and Nasser agreed to send his vice-president to Washington to explore a diplomatic settlement. The meeting did not happen because Israel launched its offensive.”

The preliminaries to the 1967 war included the Israeli attack on the clearly recognizable reconnaissance ship, the U.S.S. Liberty. The attack lasted for six hours and resulted in 200 U.S. casualties, including over thirty dead. The reason for the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was to conceal Israel’s preparations for the invasion.

Roy (cont.)

First Intifada

“The “Iron Fist” policy launched by Israel in 1985 along with economic integration and an increase in settler activity was in what the then Israeli minister of Economics and Finance, Gad Ya’acobi, noted “a creeping process of de facto annexation”

1100 Palestinian dead                   164 Israeli dead

Start of Second Intifada

“Flanked by hundreds of police officers in riot gear and with helicopters flying overhead, Sharon led a small knot of right-wing politicians onto the holiest and most bitterly contested site in Jerusalem’s Old City early Thursday, sparking riots that left dozens of Palestinians and Israeli troops injured.”

Total deaths from Second Intifada

5,500 Palestinian dead           1,000 Israeli dead

2,000 Peace initiative

“The Saudi peace initiative adopted at the Arab Summit in Beirut was buried only hours after seeing the light. Israel’s response to the Saudi plan, approved at the Arab gathering on March 27 and 28 as the Arab Peace Initiative, was a re-invasion of most Palestinian cities in the West Bank and Gaza.”

2008

“Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday said that the recent peace offer made by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is enough to get a final status agreement signed, but recognized that the outgoing Israeli leader does not have the ability to implement the proposal.”

“Meanwhile, Israeli opposition leader Binyamin Netanyahu reiterated in a holiday interview with Israel National News that the nation does not have a viable Palestinian peace partner with whom to make a deal.”

Your contention that Netanyahu is a great humanitarian is absurd.

“Palestinians have experienced a dramatic decline in their living standards and a regression of the economy due to internal and external movement restrictions, limited control over natural resources, restricted access to local and international markets, limited access of Palestinian labourers to their former work in Israel and low rates of economic production.”

I could go on and on, but I’m certain that it would only be a waste of time, where you’re concerned.

Better a hat, than a rag

If you want to see the truth, read Holocaust Industry….that’ll show you some truth.

The rest is fluff….maybe you can knock yourself out silly hitting the whaling wall enough times.  Don’t forget that hat!

Arabian Sinbad and Nozferatu,
In “The Islamic Antichrist,” the world renouned author Joel Richardson breaks new ground with the connection between the Biblical Antichrist and the Islamic Mahdi. Could it be possible that they are one and the same person? Richardson’s stunning research and analysis suggest that it is. Great reading guys, I think it might help you see the truth. By the way, your comments sound like the “bad guys” in the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie “True Lies.”
Reading might help you with those problems.

Maybe if the insane, ultra-fundamentalist religious angle was removed from the equation some progress could be realized. As a start, why not declare Jerusalem an open, secular, and sovereign city/state and ineligible to be any nation’s capitol? Let it’s citizens manage their own affairs under the protection of the UN based on a constitution guaranteeing not only religious freedom but also punishment as treason for any person or group attempting to overthrow the secular state towards the establishment of a theocracy. This at least would reduce what is now religious war to criminal, civil unrest readily addressed via the rule of law as opposed to dogma.

Sinbad,

You are probably right….but my comment was too much for them to stomach I guess.

One things for sure….the more ROY talks, the bigger the tool he becomes and the bigger hole he’s digging for himself.

Essentially he’s admitting to the whole “Zionist” approach on how to try and handle and control all.  All these “conspiracy” theories about who controls this and that aren’t made up at all. 

Thanks ROY!

Nozferatu,

Though I normally appreciate and value you comments, your latest response to the the pathetic Zionist or Christian Zionist, who goes by the name “call me Roy” was a little too strong against “Jews,” and that’s why it seems you have been reported and your comment was deleted.

Let’s be clear, Jews, as a religious and / or ethnic group have among them the good, the bad and the in-between, exactly like any other religious or ethnic groups in the world. Our beef is with Zionism as an imperialist enterprise that equates with racism, imperialism, apartheid, and terrorism.

Unless the idea of Zionism is defeated the Middle East will never experience peace. In fact, the very idea of Zionism, supported by the traditional imperialist powers, was and continue to be as the guarantor of a permanent instability and wars in the area, so that the imperialist powers of the word continue to sell arms to all parties. Now, through a midget colonialist power, known as Zionist Israel, the neocolonialists in America and Europe continue to reap the material benefits and exploitation of the Middle East by making it the most lucrative market for selling their weapons of mass destruction!

ROY:

You’ve got one hell of a wake up call coming your way….it’s going to be fun watching it happen.

To Nozferachu

You miss-understood, we are not going to take half the world down, we are just going to take YOU down, baby. Just like we are doing right now.

It is pretty sad that all major contenders for the
2008 presidential election went to AIPAC and begged
for support prior to the election.  We now observe
what they acquired.

Considering that the current “israeli tribe” are not
“jews” and that israeli prophets, scribes and
interested others covered an event approximately
2,000 years ago that “israeli leaders” continue to
deny, their genocide against their neighbors and
international marauding is simply a continuation of
their historical pattern, which American leadership
has permitted to take over the US military and
foreign policy.

Israelis have been looking for peace—literally dying for peace—since 1947, when they accepted the U.N. partition of Palestine into a Jewish and Arab state. (The Arabs refused and declared war. They lost.) Israel made peace offers in 1967, 1978 and in the 1993 Oslo peace accords that Yasser Arafat tore up seven years later to launch a terror war that killed a thousand Israelis. Why, Clinton’s own husband testifies to the remarkably courageous and visionary peace offer made in his presence by Ehud Barak (now Netanyahu’s defense minister) at the 2000 Camp David talks. Arafat rejected it. In 2008, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert offered equally generous terms to Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas. Refused again. In these long and bloody 63 years, the Palestinians have not once accepted an Israeli offer of permanent peace, or ever countered with anything short of terms that would destroy Israel. They insist instead on a “peace process”—now in its 17th post-Oslo year and still offering no credible Palestinian pledge of ultimate coexistence with a Jewish state—the point of which is to extract pre-emptive Israeli concessions, such as a ban on Jewish construction in parts of Jerusalem conquered by Jordan in 1948, before negotiations for a real peace have even begun. Under Obama, Netanyahu agreed to commit his center-right coalition to acceptance of a Palestinian state; took down dozens of anti-terror roadblocks and checkpoints to ease life for the Palestinians; assisted West Bank economic development to the point where its GDP is growing at an astounding 7 percent a year; and agreed to the West Bank construction moratorium, a concession that Secretary Clinton herself called “unprecedented.”  What reciprocal gesture, let alone concession, has Abbas made during the Obama presidency? Not one. Indeed, long before the Biden incident, Abbas refused even to resume direct negotiations with Israel. That’s why the Obama administration has to resort to “proximity talks”—a procedure that sets us back 35 years to before Anwar Sadat’s groundbreaking visit to Jerusalem. And Clinton demands that Israel show its seriousness about peace? Now that’s an insult. So why this astonishing one-sidedness? Because Obama likes appeasing enemies while beating up on allies—therefore Israel shouldn’t take it personally (according to Robert Kagan)? Because Obama wants to bring down the current Israeli coalition government (according to Jeffrey Goldberg)? Or is it because Obama fancies himself the historic redeemer whose irresistible charisma will heal the breach between Christianity and Islam or, if you will, between the post-imperial West and the Muslim world—and has little patience for this pesky Jewish state that brazenly insists on its right to exist, and even more brazenly on permitting Jews to live in its own ancient, historical and now present capital? Who knows? Perhaps we should ask those Obama acolytes who assured the 63 percent of Americans who support
Israel – at least 97 percent of those supporters, mind you, are non-Jews—about candidate Obama’s abiding commitment to Israel. Personally, I loved seeing the Obama Administration get their nose rubbed in the filth in front of the cameras and next great photo op? Seeing Iran turned in to parking lot, just like Syria.

It’s no wonder that the world despises Israel for its theft of Palestinian land and its carnage on the Palestinian people.  But it’s long past time that we Americans get Israel off our backs and out of our pockets.  I can’t remember the authorship of the ff. information but I supply it for everyone’s reading:

Wednesday, February 03, 2010
The enclosed article by Sever Plocker in Yediot Ahronot contains some amazing assertions regarding Israel’s GDP and per capita income

Since it was distributed on May 2 on the Prodigy on-line service and originated with the Information Service of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, we have to assume that it is valid or that the Israeli government would like us to think so. Either way, if Plocker’s figures are correct, Israeli per capita GDP will reach $15,000 this year and the average Israeli wage will reach $1,500 per month. Since Plocker says the average American wage is $1,550 per month, his figures indicate that, based on present growth rates, the Israeli average wage will surpass the American average wage in a matter of months.
This only highlights the absurdity of the present U.S. foreign aid program, which devotes more than one-third of U.S. foreign aid worldwide to Israeli recipients who may soon be receiving higher average wages than the American taxpayers who are providing the aid.

John Ellis is right…..this is all bullshit.  Basically it’s made to make us feel “oh how shocking” that the bitch is being slapped by the bully.

What a fucking joke.

Its the “piece by piece ” Peace process.
I actually thought of that one!
you heard it first on Truthdig!

Re: By Night-Gaunt, March 18 at 5:55 pm #

I believe Israel has an ace up its sleeve in regards to oil supply.

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4504

Oil and Natural gas has reportedly been found off the coast of Gaza which the Israelis will not allow the Palestinians to develop.

Dayakha
Thank you for posting this, this is also the reason the Jews have been treated harshly in history. Nations give Jews special treatment get stabbed in the back then turn on them. True for the Romans, Spanish, Russians and the Germans. The Arabs who took in the Jews after they were justifiably thrown out of Spain in 1492 have been stabbed in the back, and now the US will find out that not only has it been weakened militarily they have undermined it economically as well.  And the US people will turn against them, like every other nation who has been screwed over has done throughout history.

“The American interest with respect to Israel is permanent peace between it and its neighbors”

Come on, I mean, really? Since 1985, the United States has provided nearly $3 billion in grants annually to Israel to reinforce the oppressive state, to wage military operations and blocades on palestinians and to grow a cohort of corrupt and parasitic politicians.

It might be smart for pundits and commenters alike to at-least acknowledge the existence of some quite tangible, and CONsequential (as differentiated from the generally abstract features considered here), facets of the CONvoluted U.S./Israeli “relationship.”  One of these is the very real grip pro-“Greater Israel” interests have on the allamerican ‘financial’ short-hairs.  Another might be the already amply demonstrated willingness (and capability) of dedicated would-be secure-ers of “The Realm” to visit not merely eCONomic but outright physical devastation upon those who get in the way of their grandiose schemes.

Then there’s the substantial presence of reliable voices and programming managers throughout the propaganda aparatus that IS “the-mass-media,” which can be marshaled to make the Zionist ‘case’ to an americanpublic already too preoccupied with its own ‘self’-inflicted troubles to get particularly exercised over the machinations of what they’ve been told for decades is the U.S.‘s BFF in “The-Region.”  If nothing else, such a campaign will ramp-up the level of CONgenital CONfusion already effectively paralyzing a populace L O S T for generations in americandreamland, even as it collapses into every kind of bankruptcy CONceivable.

Just because it is finally dawning-on some in the U.S. establishment, military and otherwise, that there’s a definite down-side to what has been, by-design, their own long-time Pavlovian response to the demands of Israeli “security,” and that there are signs of some serious disenchantment with the arrangement among “your huddled masses” here, it’d be foolish to think there’s going to be any painless way to get out of the “tangled web” woven so tightly of as much just-plain-old-fashioned ‘self’-serving (on both sides) deceit, as it is of your run-of-the-mill official “hypocrisy.”  Chances are slim-to-none that either ‘side’ will prove able to escape the ‘biblically-dimensioned’ trap they’re in now, absent some probably pretty unlikely “intervention” from agencies who are themselves in-no-way caught-up in the CONflict.

Now where in Hell might there be anybody like that?

HokaHey!

If Israel wants to be treated like a SOVEREIGN STATE, then get your nose out the business of places like Iran or Iraq…which are also SOVEREIGN STATES.  Otherwise you are humongous hypocrite.

What gives Israel anymore right to have nuclear weapons, for example, than Iran?  Because it’s too inconvenient otherwise for Israel to go around massacring and abusing its neighbors? 

I’m sick and tired of these assholes doing whatever they want to do to whoever they want to do and not only get away with it, but then turning around and telling others they can’t do the same thing.

If you act like an asshole, you’ll be treated like one…and Israel deserves no less.

The leaking of this report after Israel’s treatment of Joe Biden is a warning shot toward Israel.  The U.S. is letting Israel know that American public opinion can be turned against Israel and so to be careful.

Israel isn’t “impoverished” it is known for its high tech manufacturing and agricultural base. What they don’t have is oil. So expect them to do whatever they can to get off of that yoke as soon as humanly possible.

As for the Zionist want to expand Israel to be the Levant that is so. Though it is the religious ones who want it. Secularists might but it is the religious reasons that help fuel it. So that is a misread by Mr. Pfaff.

True though Israel is the 1st anchor in the Middle East and occupied Iraq is another. The difference is that Israel is a sovereign country and does what it needs to despite its largest ally and benefactor. (Remember the USS Liberty as an example.) Never forget that. Also that as the nuclear power in the region it exerts much force and fear simply by being there. It can garner much hatred from that.

Time and again the US has protested what Israel has done but still gives them money, and protection in the UN. That is where the rubber meets the road. It is only posturing to keep the US looking better than it really is. Don’t be fooled. It is part of the diplomatic shuffle.

Until the Palestinians are considered mensch as the Israelis are, as equals, and have a neutral negotiator nothing will come of this. Peace talks will continue to be hollow and a dead end.

World asocialists, and not just the ones in US, need unrest wherever they can obtain it. And there are two causative factors for such a policy: their lust to obtain the planet, or as much of it as posible, and halting spread of exemplars; i.e., building-establishing timocracies and idyllic societies.

And israel being a total dependency on world plutos is needed as a base for spreading of that unrest. Israel is, otherwise, of no strategfic value to fascists of the world!

The ‘mighty’ israel cldn’t manufacture even a spoon if left to own devices.
Israel, a tiny-impoverished region, which ‘god’ [read please: mad priests] gave to hebrews as punishmnet, has to import all the essential metals or ready-made arms.

Even most white ‘jews’ avoid it like plague; they can’t make money there nor ever feel safe.

The fact that the military now acknowleges what has been obvious for many years to the rest of the world reveals just how unsustainable the ongoing lie is.
It would be a relief to have a government no longer under that yoke.

Joshua, my lad, actually it is Israel that has never publicly stated what exactly are its borders. If you know differently, then do tell. But of course you know that the dream is of a Greater Israel…perhaps you’re thinking of those borders.

I would be embarrassed to the core to be a white American right now.

With a dumb Irish idiot as VP “in love with” Israel and a President whose got no balls at all, and a Secretary of State whose nostrils are filled with jewish butt feces right now from kissing so much ass, I would truly be ashamed of being a white blooded American.

I’ve never seen a country kiss so much ass to a smaller country to make sure the smaller country doesn’t get its ego bruised by the bigger one acting “pissed off.”

What a fucking embarrassment.

To Joshua:

You write:

This is a confused posting:

So is your response.

1. Actually, most Islamic governments don’t recognize the legitimacy of the Israli state. Period. Borders with the proposed Palestinian state are irrelevant.

And how can we expect Arab Islamic states to ever recognize Israel’s legitimacy if Israel refuses to discuss border issues?

3. If the United States wants to live in peace with Islamic countries, it could start by not setting up “governments in a box,” and not bombing the inhabitants. To blame Israel for its unpopularity in that part of the world is just silly.

While I don’t defend the U.S. misadventure in Iraq, ill feelings towards the U.S. over its coddling of Israel, even when Israel has at times acted in an inflammatory way, precede that misadventure by many, may years.

You only touch on the marginal differences between Israel and the US. The Zionist-Israeli position is that Jews are the pinnacle of creation (or evolution, if you want a secular version) and that the existence of Israel is more important than the existence of any other country or people in the world. In short, Israelis are existential solipsists. They use other nations, like the US, for their own purposes, but have no real friends anywhere. The most fundamental difference between the US and Israeli is thus that Israel believes that it alone has a right to exist, and if there is no Israel then there is no rest of the world.

Some day, the rest of the world will realize that Israel is an existential threat to humanity—and will wipe it out, eradicate it, and at the same time maybe also eradicate Islam, another reckless, solipsistic world-view that is an existential threat to humanity.

“Relations between the two countries, and the foreign-policy dialogue within both countries, have both for many years rested upon a very large dose of hypocrisy.”
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True, the word “hypocrisy” is a good place to start in explaining the historical unholy alliance between these two colonialist entities. However, this unholy alliance is further rooted in a common history of terrorism, cruelty and injustices against the natives of the countries these two entities came to disposes and destroy. One might think about this as a comradeship in evil and terrorism that was elevated to an emotional attachment. Even evil likes company, and the Devil always likes the company of minor ones!

Truth and justice are the only two ingredients that can liberate these two entities from the evil past of their unholy alliance. However, I am not optimistic that the political establishments in both Israel and the US are so immersed in their evil, arrogance and hypocrisy to be a able to value of the liberating light of truth and justice!

Say-it seems good ole moose killer Sara Palin would fit right in with Bibi’s so-
called govt. This is what you get when you intermix religion with governance, so
Sara would be perfect fit there.
She could teach bibi how to machine gun animals from a helicopter, too.
hope!

If Americans could just see a series of maps of Arab/Jewish territory of Israel since 1948.

It would be interesting to see a comparative list of lobbying expenses and campaign contributions aimed at Congress members by both Arab-American and Jewish-American agencies.

I’m quite sure the AIPAC meeting will have important American policy makers groveling-as-usual. We can’t expect them to grow a pair with such short notice.