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Posted on Feb 13, 2010
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By Stuart Whatley

Editor’s note: This article was originally published on The Huffington Post.

Last summer, when mass protests broke out in Iran following what was seen as a rigged election, Americans cried out in support of the uprising through all possible channels.  Some commentators here went so far as to claim credit for the “revolution,” as if it never could have happened without American political movements having already set the example. But despite the arrogance of that claim, the Iranian Green Movement is indeed an exertion of democratic will that resonates closely with many Americans—and for good reason.

America’s rich history of successful social and political movements, from its genesis onward, lends profound familiarity to the Iranian uprising, most of which has remained nonviolent. The enduring American symbolic identity—as a bastion of freedom and opportunity—is mostly justified when one considers the relative success of the Civil Rights or Feminist movements of the 20th Century, or of the ongoing LGBT rights movement, which continues to make incremental gains today. American democracy, fueled by an active populace—despite its numerous imperfections—remains the gold standard around the world.

It is against this venerable historical backdrop that one must concede that the most well known, highly publicized American social/political movement today—the tea party movement—is a national embarrassment.

At its core, the tea party movement is rife with contradiction, incoherence and a willful contempt for facts or reason. It is but a parody of the legitimate movements for which American democracy has historically been held in such high regard. It is, in fact, the latest installment in quite another American tradition: the exploitation of frustrated, desperate, and susceptible people by monied interests and profiteers.

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The impetus for the Civil Rights movement was centuries of racially based oppression at all levels of American government and society. The logic behind its call for equality was overwhelming. Now consider the tea party movement, whose foremost demand of a president who in his first month passed one of the biggest tax cuts ever... is for tax cuts. The movement’s incoherence is only illuminated further when this demand is uttered in the same sentence as its call for deficit reduction.

Though the movement claims to have no defined leadership, there are public figures and entities who nevertheless carry that mantle, which has led to perhaps its greatest irony: A portion of the American populace who carries a populist banner against the coddling of greedy bankers is led by some of the country’s most cynical and base profiteers. 

When the movement was christened last April for a large tax day protest, it was derived wholesale from the efforts of a registered corporate lobbyist and a right-leaning cable news network, whose president recently pointed out that it’s all about ratings. At the tea party’s national convention last weekend, its keynote speaker was a former governor who quit midterm in order to peddle a book that she didn’t write, but for which she collects most of the royalties. If this were Iran’s Green Movement, these would be the people slinging marked-up green headbands on the street corner.

Of course, the tea party is not without its whistleblowers. The $500 per plate entry fee to last week’s convention almost led to it being canceled altogether. But the exodus of reasonable elements will only homogenize the movement further towards a particularly polarizing worldview that opens itself to continued profit-driven exploitation.

In Authoritarianism & Polarization in American Politics, a revealing work of political science published last year that unfortunately went somewhat unnoticed, Marc J. Hetherington and Jonathan D. Weiler describe a specific worldview—authoritarianism—which they argue lies at the heart of political polarization in modern American politics. (It should be noted: their use of the term is not related to the more quotidian and overly negative connotation associated with despotic regimes; rather, it describes a particular lens through which certain people view the world, based on a wide range of scholarly work spanning the fields of psychology, sociology, political science, and other cognitive sciences.)

According to Hetherington and Weiler, authoritarians tend to rely more on emotion and instinct in decision-making, view politics in black and white, resent confusion or ambiguity in the social order, and are suspicious of specific groups who they believe could alter that order (typically gays and immigrants). The difference between authoritarians and nonauthoritarians, according to the authors, becomes far more pronounced during tumultuous economic or social periods when there are more perceived “threats.”  During such times, authoritarians in particular lose accuracy motivation and, “become much less interested than nonauthoritarians in seeking information that [is] balanced in its approach, and much more interested in pursuing one-sided information that reinforc[es] existing beliefs.” Or in other words, they are highly susceptible to misinformation campaigns, the likes of which pervaded the health care reform debate last summer.

Most every characteristic of an authoritarian worldview lends itself well to the impassioned rhetoric of the tea party movement and the shrewd players operating behind the scenes and atop the soap box. The movement’s overly simplified, often-confused solutions to complex problems align with authoritarians’ Manichean worldview. That Tom Tancredo’s anti-immigrant-laced speech at last weekend’s [Feb. 4-6] convention was well received comes as no surprise. And that this is the group who so often embraces proven falsehoods and spin-narratives to defend its anti-administration agenda should speak for itself with regards to accuracy motivation.

Despite the criticism it receives, the tea party continues to be praised as a political force. It is loud, passionate, and generally unconcerned with pesky things like facts or reasoned, practical solutions to the country’s problems. This bodes ill for 2010’s political environment, and it is a shameful representation of what constitutes an American political or social movement. While the tea party may alienate some who see it for the profit-machine that it is, others who share the fearful, intolerant authoritarian worldview that it is increasingly coalescing around will be lured in and pitted against the very people in power who could actually help them. That this movement has grown political legs is too bad, and by Hetherington and Weiler’s account, it means even more polarization is yet to come.

Stuart Whatley is an associate blog editor in the Washington, D.C., bureau of The Huffington Post. Click here to read this article on its original page.


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By Leefeller, March 10, 2010 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Making a point must have a different meaning from where some folks come from? Seems coherent explanation usually works, maybe some call it making a point and others call it spin.

Making a point by calling it one seems pointless, though trying may count for something, persistence of delusion maybe?

When one gets their arse handed to them on a platter one usually takes notice, well! some may notice!

Me thinks sinking in has a different meaning, maybe it goes back to the point of an iceberg!

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2010 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

I remain hopeful that my point is, if slowly, sinking in and hitting it’s mark.

Appearing as a Limbaugh Of The Left is of no practical use to anyone.  It only serves to heighten tensions and takes every current event out of all context.

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By Shenonymous, March 10, 2010 at 7:35 am Link to this comment

Republicans are less than human.  Heartless thieves. All of them.  A
republican would sooner kick you while in the gutter than you give you a hand
up.

“Teabaggers” are simply too stupid to be respectfully listened to.  They are,
very deliberately, willfully, cast as if each and every one of them is an
Untouchable.

Conservative thinkers are the devil incarnate.  They are truly the cause of the
world’s ills. They will rape, murder, and steal to feed their insatiable thirst for
blood and treasure.

Three yups.  Said so compellingly, I just gotta believe it.  Thanks.

By the way, can you prove differently?  Or at least show differently?  Maybe
proof is too much to ask.  I’m willing to consider any reasonable discussion, but
no discussion has been forthwithcoming on this entire thread!

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2010 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

“Ignorance lead by dogmas, has birthed so much pain in this world.”

Touche!  Apply that sentiment evenly toward everyone.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Let us attempt to apply things evenly and end the seemingly unconscious/subconscious hypocrisy we all see all too often. For example:

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Republicans are less than human.  Heartless thieves. All of them.  A republican would sooner kick you while in the gutter than you give you a hand up.

“Teabaggers” are simply too stupid to be respectfully listened to.  They are, very deliberately, willfully, cast as if each and every one of them is an Untouchable.

Conservative thinkers are the devil incarnate.  They are truly the cause of the world’s ills. They will rape, murder, and steal to feed their insatiable thirst for blood and treasure.

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“Fear is the tool of choice for the (Democrats) because their programs are…...for ordinary Americans and bent towards the corporate elite.” - “Fear (of All Things republican) is the number one emotional motivator.”


I’m hoping my point is, if slowly, sinking in and hitting it’s mark.  Appearing as a Limbaugh Of The Left is of no practical use to anyone.  It only serves to heighten tensions and takes every current event out of all context.

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By Leefeller, March 9, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Ignorance lead by dogmas, has birthed so much pain in this world. So much so, an oxymoron one may ask?

She’s last post Most worthy enlightenment!

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By Shenonymous, March 9, 2010 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

I have not attacked your person GRYM.  But I see you are slipping into that
mode of accusation.  I have asked you to show where I have done as you claim
and you demur. I have described what you demonstrate, but I have not called
you any names.  You make an intentional mistake from your reluctance to deal
directly with the questions I have put to you.  You can twist anything I say in
ways that suit your position.  You must think that by counter questioning that
you can dispense with giving any cogent answer.  You may not.  You continue
to speak claptrap. I have more than explained my criticism in exact terms.  The
50/50 split is not historic it is recent and has been engineered by using the
element of fear to cause the public to express discontent with the Democrats
and the Democratic Administration.  I believe it is deceptive and the
Republicans make heyday with their deception.  Their complete fixation on
defeating anything that Obama’s will sign into law is damaging to this country. 
And I believe racism is being used to frighten people to a 2010 Democratic
program.  2006 was a bumpercrop year for Democrats as was the 2008
election year.  The sway of public sentiment is like wheat in the wind and furls
as the wind blows. 

Fear is the tool of choice for the Republicans because their programs are
insidiously vacant for ordinary Americans and bent towards the corporate elite. 
Fear is the number one emotional motivator.  I don’t see that corporate and
elite can be divorced.  They each support each other so closely that they fuse
into one blurred entity.  When fear is used to motivate politics people ought to
be loudly warned that those who perpetrate fear are the very ones who will
exploit every aspect of their lives. 

That is the prime directive for the Democrats.  Any one who engages in this
kind of using other people for personal gain is of the lowest form of animal the
world can produce.  It is victimization of the worst kind.  It is victimizing an
entire population.  The psychology of human nature is a science.  It is not for
nothing that advertising agencies keenly understand how to exploit the human
psyche to accept whatever product they are huckstering.  Hitting the nerve of
fear is evil and that is what I am prejudiced about.  If you want to call me a
bigot, of course you may, but you cannot show that I am in any way except
against self-serving politics.  You are arguing out of false beliefs and align
yourself with those who I believe are most corrupt as it is an insidious mental
disorder that takes advantage of those who have less then they do who have
not the means either mentally or materially to do anything about it. This is the
platform of the Republican Party and I don’t have to say it, the newspapers,
electronic media news reports, interviews says it all.  If you wish to hide your
head in the sand, that too is your prerogative.

Babette’s Feast is a film I show every semester to students as they learn the
critical difference between a frugal and bland diet and an opulent and tasty one
that can be crafted by the best chef in Paris in that the feast affects their rigid
and stultifying religious beliefs, in the end the effect produces a more honest
relationship among all the townsfolks that works as a paradigm of genuine
goodness and the reality that all is not as one might think if seen through a
dogmatic prism.

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By Leefeller, March 9, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

How one comes off to others may not always be what is perceived by more than the man who has a frog in the pocket.

Using the word others is most amusing, for speaking as spokes person for others seems nothing but presumptuous.

Seeing my name being lumped with others with names, as observed by others without names seems seems stereotypical and most bigoted to me and may only be the tip of an iceberg!

Comprehension must be hidden under deep water?

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By Leefeller, March 9, 2010 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

In Norway it has been noted, homeless do not have an obesity problem, because Pizza places are not prevalent so the homeless can only find crumbs of Lungfish and maybe on occasion a few fish balls.

If anyone has seen the movie “Babbette’s Feast” they would appreciate the very lean diet of the Scandinavians.

It is a little know fact, porky people in Norway are kicked out into the snow and given a shopping cart to become homeless.  In Norway obesity is considered a choice and treated sort of like how the Republicans treat gays here in Jolly old USA.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2010 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I remain taken aback and, yes, disgusted by some of your more recent posts.  I never imagined you as a bigot.

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I believe if you revisit the comments on this thread you’ll find a growing frustration on your part after you were unable to present in kind what you asked of me.  A plan of action concerning the problem of rising health-care costs.

Your frustration seemed to expand after I presented several reputable and verifiable polling sources that, in very real terms, illustrates that the United States resembles little of what you have imagined. - You seem angered to learn that the media and Internet world is not actually reflective of the daily lives of hundreds of millions of Americans.

For my own part my frustration grew from the overt antipathy and hate that has been so clearly displayed on these pages.  I ended our dialog on substantive issues.

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You are free to attack me personally all you desire.  But you have yet to present anything of substance in support of your shrinking minority opinions.

I simply will not play a part in giving you voice to spread more hatred toward others simply because the majority fails to see the world as you do.  End that practice and we may have things to discuss.

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By Shenonymous, March 9, 2010 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

I have very little information about Canada, and that little bit could be counted
as nothing by some.

Bridges in America are currently under a serious program of repair,
reconstruction, retrofitting, removal and rebuilding, called The Five Rs of Bridge
Theory.  Because bridges are being built better, more and more Homeless are
finding their way to these protective areas and the Trolls have moved out and
migrated to underground parking structures where they can find public toilets
available.  Some of the more clever entrepreneur of the Homeless Tribe have
found refrigerator cardboard boxes and create homes under the bridges (as of
2004 there were 594,470 bridges in the United States), that can accommodate
a large population of homeless.  A smaller number of The Homeless have put
together several refrigerator cardboard boxes and have made Homeless Motels
under both ends of a bridge.  Barter is the means of commerce.  Some of The
Homeless have put their heads together (those who can stand the smell of each
other that is), and have created a complex homelike situation in their box
homes.  If one will give up his box to create say a kitchen, he is invited to sleep
in another’s box.  Or if they desire a living room the same bargain is struck.

There are three problems:  the first is where to store the shopping carts and a
special place has to be included in the respective Homeless towns and whether
or not the carts need to have cover against the environmental elements.  This
requirement is dependent upon the geographic location.  Some places do not
need as much cover as others.  This factor causes members of The Homeless to
migrate around the country.  The second issue is the competition between the
two sides of the river, or other body of water where a bridge is needed.  If one
side attempts to travel across the bridge to the other side to work the streets, a
conflict ensues.  A rumble on the bridge happens, usually in the middle and the
winner takes all and will establish a colony on the other side to their own Town. 
The third and most crucial matter of contention is the kind of government The
Town adopts.  Anarchy doesn’t work as too many murders occurred and The
Homeless obviously have a will to live or wouldn’t live as they do, so they have
to find a governing social structure that works and protects them from each
other.  Finding knowledgeable and incorruptible leaders are chronic problems. 
They have discovered that an egalitarian attitude works well and a strong
democracy ensures egalitarianism.  They almost always write down rules of
conduct that have consequences if they are not followed.  Some call it a
constitution.  Oddly enough, this culture is very remindful of how primitive
mankind developed communities.

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By Leefeller, March 9, 2010 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

In Norway the homeless who cannot fly south for the winter never make it through the cold.  So every spring the government collects the abandoned shopping carts for the next seasons homeless!

Seems the Canadian government is checking into a feasibility study of doing the same!

By the way the shopping carts have adapters for skids and the snowshoe option is still available for the homeless in Norway, one problem though is the Trolls are becoming outraged with all the crowding under the bridges!  May not be a problem in North America though.  I Don’t know if they have Trolls in Canadian country?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2010 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

RenZo,

You make some interesting arguments, however, all you’ve really accomplished is to take a few easy jabs at me and follow that up with your opinion that my points of view are wrong.  You offer no evidence in support of your own views. - On both counts we will simply disagree.

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Your assertion that no poor or homeless can be found in Norway clearly illustrates a naive and wishful point of view.

If we are to believe Norwegian statistics in the very small nation there are roughly 4.4 million people and roughly 1.4 homeless per 1,000 inhabitants.

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According to the W.H.O the largest health threat facing the poorest in the United States are the effects of “obesity”.  - You may define obesity any way you desire.  That would make your argument with the W.H.O..  Not me.

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By RenZo, March 8, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

You err, even if it is eloquent error.

I don’t have time to debate this with you like we used to in junior high school, and that is a fact. What is not a fact is that you choose seemingly representative factoids from unknown sources to represent your argument. It seems like an effective debate, but it is sophistry we could as easily attribute to a very very bright junior high school student, or perhaps a partisan lawyer who is advocating for his client.

That the “poorest” among us have shoes, clean underwear and two televisons is at its most shallow level dubious. I bet I could find a poor person who does not have two televisions, maybe one of the hundreds of thousands of homeless poor.

That the poorest among us are obese is again a factoid-like-statement of unknown provenance and accuracy. College students, even those on the “college” debate team however might be prompted by your assertion to look behind the face value of your factoid and ask what it means to be obese. In my mind it means poverty: a palate educated by your poor mother who taught you what tastes good; a pocketbook which allows you only to buy the cheapest victuals in the supermarkets; an education which allows you to live what Montaigne called the “unreflected life” and therefore not change; and a “health care system” which ignores you until you need bilateral BKAs (below the knee amputations) because of your “sugar”, or welcomes you in the ER when you have your second and fatal MI. I could go on, for our society (and all others) overdetermines these attributes: it is as damning a caste system as the five parts of Indras body (which determine the castes of classical conservative Hindu Indian) society. Try explaining to a Shudra in Indian why he is privileged to live in his society. The logic fails here too.

The poor here are our poor, not those of the Central African Republic, not those of Haiti, not those of Indonesia. Our poor. By the way, I don’t think Norway has any homeless poor, or any homeless at all. Perhaps it was judicious of them to concentrate their resources on their own people instead of reaching so far so hard and for so long for empire.

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

Again GRYM you forfeit precision and retreat to thumbsucking.  You are only
abundantly clear in your own mind.  Wear your badge of disgust if you must, but
you need to know that your equivocation is at the center of it.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 7, 2010 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, 

I have not deflected. I answered every question you asked of me for weeks.  Last week, however, I put an end to it. I was abundantly clear on the reason.

It is the attitudes of the three of you collectively that has, for thousands of years, led men to war. 

I remain disgusted.

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

If requesting clarity means hate-filled, GRYM, if asking for a lift out of obscurity
means small-minded, if soliciting lucidity means nonsense, then you are a sorry
mind indeed.  You dodge and deflect and do not answer questions but instead
lunge in attack to avoid real discussion.  You surprise me with all your illusory
insight, it is only apparent and you do not engage in any real dialogue.  It is
pretense.  You accuse without substance.  You declare a comparison that is hollow
without any basis.  Your offering this entire thread as evidence is a feint for you
inability to argue coherently.  What is all crap is your affectation and insincerity. 
You indeed are vague and what is even sad is that you do not apprehend that you
are committing claptrap.  It is a hubris that you think you know what you claim. 
Your assertion to the causes of the history of war is laughable.  It is empty
without exemplification.  It is vacuous.  It is sophomoric.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 7, 2010 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I was very clear on the particular traits you three share.  I offer this entire thread as clear evidence of it.

It’s crap.  All of it.  Every word written on this thread over the past week has been hate-filled, small minded, nonsense from three of you.  To believe in those things which I outlined, all derived from your own respective opinions, is to take the entire globe out of all context.

You surprise me most of all.  But it is the attitudes of the three of you collectively that has, for thousands of years, led men to war.

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

GRYM - you defensively spin what is said whatever way suits you.  A common
affliction that you amazingly share with those who are on the extreme left. 
While the three of us take exception with the Republican dispostion, Leefeller,
MarthaA, and myself are quite different in our perspectives and how we view
things and say things.  It is convenient for you to lump us together.  We make a
better target for your illustrations as a single entity.  Easier than dealing
with us on an individual basis.  Unscrupulous I’d say to not make distinctions.  I
deal with you directly, I do not call you names, and I offer my concise criticism
of the Republican masquerade.  Yes, that is how wars get started, when one
side refuses to answer forthrightly questions put to him.  I have tried to engage
you in a discussion but you are not willing to discuss differences but only gripe
and grouse about your disgust and pontificate your views. 

The comparison of the conservative with Republican Party official strategies
and stances is making a comparison between an individual with a faceless
platform of an organization.  It is not a real comparison.  The Republicans,
conservatives, right wing-nuts, teabaggers, and all the other stage names they
are called or call themselves, showed themselves, as individuals, for what they
are at their CPAC meeting.  As you say:  [they showed themselves to be] hateful,
bigoted, ignorant, misguided, and narcissistic and their not so hidden motives
is reflected in your next statement, “That party is owned wholey and
completely, lock stock and barrel…”  Republicans that I personally know are not
really like that.  They are people who have a different idea of how big
government ought to be than I do, and don’t want to pay taxes but they are not
afflicted with political rabies.  We get along and some of us even love each
other. 

Grandma has a choice to be scanned, or strip searched.  Now the
grandmothers I know would love to be strip searched.  Who reads the scans
ought to be screened themselves for integrity.  Now how exactly would you
check for that?  I guess no police record, no family insanity, maybe a genome
map on file might do it, and perhaps a psych test.  Of course who would devise
the psych test and of what would the test be testing for could be problematic
inasmuch as no matter what the solution someone is going to bitch about it.

Does al Qaeda have embassies?  Really?  Where?

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By RenZo, March 7, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

Panty bomber was a total nut case. And so was Major Hassan. If we had NOT been so PC our military would have sacked him before he blew up.

These were not successful attacks on America by Al Qaeda, no matter how much the nuts in Al Qaeda claim they were. Or the nuts in America for that matter.

The stupid thing REALLY STUPID is for Americans to give up their “freedom” to stop “terrorism”. First, our freedoms are now GONE. They won’t come back, it is corporatism to blame not alqaeda, no. No. No.

Second stupidest thing is for us to declare war on every “country” where Al Qaeda has an embassy or outpost.

Third stupidest thing is to subject our grandmothers to strip searching and naked scans, let alone our daughters, wives, and children. Why is this not considered child pornography? Who does the watching, dude? I want to know who these people are? Psych problems, sexual problems, financial problems, weirdos, cat killers. How much do they get paid? Who checks their possessions when they leave work? Who is eligible, who is chosen? How often are they checked by psychiatrists?

Fourth stupidest thing is to let ourselves be scared by this crap. They cannot destroy us unless they scare us into giving up all our freedom, self worth, and confidence…..wait maybe their strategy is working…...?

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By RenZo, March 7, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

As for Teabaggers, anyone who would name their political group after an oral method of stimulating male genitalia, well….. I would call that stupid. Yeah, I am afraid so.

Let’s start a liberal group called BLOW JOB. Nah….I don’t think so.
See what I mean?

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By RenZo, March 7, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

GRYM has a point.
I think if we were to examine it more closely and analyze it we might agree (minus him perhaps) that we frequently confuse the individuals who claim to be ‘conservative’ (scare quotes to emphasize that their definitions might not all match) with the Republican Party official strategies and stances, which are quite often hateful, bigoted, ignorant, misguided and narcissistic. That party is owned wholey and completely, lock stock and barrel by the corporatists. It has no need, and ever decreasing need, to appeal to anyone for donations since the Supreme Court Coup II.

I certainly don’t hate Republicans individually. I dislike intensely their smug approval of the tactics used by the GOP. I think the majority of party officials are smart enough (well….) to know how counterproductive their positions are, and are therefore guilty of wilfully harming the people of this country. There are some who are beyond moral reproach however, like Limbaugh who does it just for money (remember what that is called, and it is only legal in Nevada).

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By Go Right Young Man, March 7, 2010 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “If you wouldn’t drink so much GRYM I wonder if you would be so
derogatory in your remarks.  Resorting to such snideness is a sure sign of
desperation from adolescent inebriation.  And here I had thought you were
above such drivel.  Wonders never cease.  And disappointment accrues.”


I am hoping now that I have illustrated my point.  My observation about the president’s doctor reportedly warning him to “moderate” his drinking is not an issue for me at this time.  I was simply reflecting back how you and Leefeller and, WAY out there Martha, come off to most others.  You all attack mercilessly and needlessly.  In your imaginations you each force people into something not recognized as human.

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Republicans are less than human.  Heartless thieves. All of them.  A republican would sooner kick you while in the gutter than you give you a hand up.

“Teabaggers” are simply too stupid to be respectfully listened to.  They are, very deliberately, willfully, cast as if each and every one of them is an Untouchable.

Conservative thinkers are the devil incarnate.  They are truly the cause of the world’s ills. They will rape, murder, and steal to feed their insatiable thirst for blood and treasure.

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It’s crap.  All of it.  Every word written on this thread over the past week has been hate-filled, small minded, nonsense from three of you.  To believe any of the above it to take the entire globe out of all context.

It’s why men war and I am disgusted with it.

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

If you wouldn’t drink so much GRYM I wonder if you would be so
derogatory in your remarks.  Resorting to such snideness is a sure sign of
desperation from adolescent inebriation.  And here I had thought you were
above such drivel.  Wonders never cease.  And disappointment accrues.

The comment about there being no major terrorist attack this past Obama year
is accurate.  The underwear bomber was thwarted and it is regardless of who
stopped him.  Enough Amercians are alert and awake enough that the threat
was defused.  And in spite of the deranged Colonel’s association with the
efforts of al Qaeda and his going berserk at Fort Hood, it is mincing hairs on a
pig’s ass to call it a concerted effort to damage more than a dozen or so
American military.  These are in reality hardly a broad orchestrated attacks on
the USA but in fact were single man incidents and any attempt to call it more
than what it was is a perfect example of mental disturbance.

The culture of fear as perpetrated by the psychosis Republicans suffer has not
ended, it is only being ratcheted up.  It is unconscionable to use the basest of
emotions to whip up anti-Obama and Democratic sentiment.  The “real” news
has been their speeches at both covert and open meetings as they continue this
campaign in their efforts of fundraising presentations that advise using “fear”
to solicit contributions.  As unprecedented in all their history, the more rational  
Republicans (which could be considered an self-contradiction) expressed their
shame at the latest scandal.

It is one thing to be an opponent of a certain line of politics and it is another
thing to have to have a set of ethical principles nonexistent when opposition
takes truly ugly action.  It is desirable to have opposition to keep opposing
parties “honest.”  But it is undesirable for that opposition to take the form of
degradation. 

It isn’t too difficult to guess the Republicans’ strategy for motivating their base
this year.  They have made it lucidly clear that once again fear is their driving
force:  fear of President Obama, fear of change, fear of socialist revolution,
(idiotic) fear of death panels, fear of government bureaucrats and allergic fear
of liberals and anything else that might pop up in their itchy crotch.  Not
expecting in our wildest dreams that the Republican National Committee could
and would come out and admit it. But that is exactly what RNC Finance Director
Rob Bickhart did as a dramatic part of a presentation he gave to donors and
fundraisers last month. The presentation, as exposed by Politico’s Ben Smith,
included several slides that portray the GOP’s own supporters in a despicable
light.  It malevolently supposed that the RNC believes its donors are stupid and
that it plans to treat them that way

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By Leefeller, March 7, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

You know I think fear works real good when a person is 5 years old and it makes more sense, works real good when it is not Isolated. So guess the naughty and nice thing works on some adults too?

It seems interesting to me I heard riding in my car on Sunday is more dangerous than staying home because of all the giddy church folks with lights in their eyes driving around, maybe we should label them conspiracy terrorists?

Seems this fear thing is really taking off. How about all the commotion about the gays, ill eagle aliens and those politicians worrying about integrity? Yeah! Obama just don’t knows what he is doing like Bush did!

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By Go Right Young Man, March 7, 2010 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

New video released by Al Qaeda.  In this latest message Al Qaeda called on “all Good Brothers” in the U.S. Military Services to follow the example of the Ft. Hood shooter, Major. Hassan.

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While I like the current president on a personal level I must ask myself - if Mr. Obama had not been drinking too much would he have referred to the panty-bomber as an isolated, single individual, action?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 7, 2010 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

The Fort Hood shooter and the panty-bomber were single individual actions?  Not if one has been paying attention to what’s real.

The Fort Hood shooter has been linked to one of the most prolific Al Qaeda recruiters known (was the five arrested recently for attempting to poison Ft. Hood soldiers connected to the shooter?) and the panty-bomber has been linked to Al Qaeda in Yemen.

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2010 at 10:11 pm Link to this comment

Quite right about there being no major terrorist attack this past Obama year. 
Of course there is the underwear bomber who was thwarted, and the Colonel at
Fort Hood.  These are hardly orchestrated attacks on the USA but were single-
man incidents.

The culture of fear as perpetrated by the Republicans has not ended, it is being
ratcheted up.  It is unconscionable to use the basest of emotions, fear, to whip
up irrational anti-Obama and Democratic sentiment.  The “real” news has been
their speeches at both covert and open meetings as they continue this
campaign in their efforts of fundraising presentations that advise using “fear”
to solicit contributions.  Even some Republicans in unprecedented
announcements expressed their shame at the latest scandal.

It is one thing to be an opponent of a certain line of politics and it is another
thing to have integrity when opposition takes such ugly action.  It is desirable
to have opposition to keep opposing parties “honest.”  But it is undesirable for
that opposition to take the form of degradation.  They only degrade
themselves.

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By MarthaA, March 6, 2010 at 6:15 pm Link to this comment

And now, pray tell, what is the threat level of terrorism in your home town?  The threat level has NOT been mentioned on the news in a long time,  as it was an hourly occurrence during the Bush administration, when the populace was to watch for terrorists behind every leaf and twig.  “Be afraid, be very afraid” was the motto.  Now, the populace are NOT walking around in fear that terrorists are going to get them in my city, although, possibly the Right-wing is, but mostly out of guilt, because they are the ones constantly expounding upon Rupert Murdoch’s conservatism, sophism, and propaganda against progressives, liberals and socialists in mostly Rupert Murdoch’s Right-Wing media outlets through Rupert Murdoch’s paid Right-Wing conservatism shills.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 6, 2010 at 5:52 am Link to this comment

I was short of certain that Martha was put down outside the Pentagon on Thurs. after he shot two policeman.

I’m saddened to see there is another of him out there.

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By MarthaA, March 5, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment

Since the Obama administration has been in power, there has not been one national raising of the terrorist threat level, that was being raised quite frequently during the whole time span of the Republicans’ Bush administration.

Fear and terrorism originated from the Republicans Right-Wing.  Republican Right-Wingers protesting terrorism, when fear and terrorism originated from the Republican Right-Wing is an endeavor in foolishness and ignorance, but Republican Right-Wingers have the right to protest their own Republican Right-Wing fear and terrorism.  Far be it for me to tell Republicans that Republicans can’t protest their own Republican fear and terrorism.

But, Republican Right-Wingers should at least try to get it straight that the fear and terrorist problems arrived with the Republican Bush administration, long before the Democratic Obama administration, but the Republican Right-Wing Tea Party and Republican Right-Wing Coffee Party appear to have been too ignorant to protest Republican Right-Wing fear and terrorism when the Republican Right-Wing administration was in power, because there was NO Republican Right-Wing protests of the Bush Republican administration’s terrorism and fear tactics; and now the Republican National Committee is planning to bring back their terrorism and fear tactics as a way to gain back control through fear and terrorism.  Imagine that.
What a concept?  Do Republicans think the populace are geese that wake up in a new world every day?

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By Shenonymous, March 4, 2010 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

Nobody said the T-baggers did not have the right to protest.  Can you find where
anyone on this forum said that, GRYM?  M’thinks you protest too much your very
self.  There is the assent by silence measure as well.  Of course they have
the right to protest, just as MIchael Savage had the right and was kept out of
England for his over the Right edge narrow-minded bigotry.  I championed his
right to free speech and got slammed for it on this website, of course by the over
the Left edgers.  Freedom of speech is sacred and it applies to all, unless it is
calculated to harm people, then it is criminal. Yes I agree with you that we owe it
to ourselves to listen to the underbellies of society and their rumblings.  While I
think what they have to say is good only for flushing down the toilet, I would
defend their right to speak crap out of their mouths.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

Leefeller,...LOL….several things come to mind.

“To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice.”

“Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen.”

“Blessed is the man who having nothing to say refrains from giving wordy evidence of the fact.”

...ROFL

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By Leefeller, March 4, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Yep! That was I who minced it very clearly, Tbags were stupid and should not only should it not be allowed to wear tea bags in pubic s or on their perverts, it should be against the laws!

What can one make of babble so defining and of course the sound of finger nails on ye ole chalk board, Palin really sets a defining mood of enlightenment?

Palin and Joe the unplumbed my first choice as spokes folks for the educated unworking class, they brings a tear of joy to me I. Makes it so one really should appreciate the tea bag shortage for what it is.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

Five times as a U.S. Senators Mr. Obama stated very passionately that a “Super Majority” was “absolutely essential” in passing health-care legislation “if the country is to be effectively governed.”

Yesterday President Obama threw all that out in order to pass legislation that, according to national polling data, 70% of Americans have rejected. - Which is the more reasoned, ethical and believable?  Sen. Obama or President Obama?


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FYI:  Senators and Congressman, from Oklahoma for example, do not solicit polls in order to secure a single desired outcome.  Each individual Congressman and Senator’s office, in both Washington and in their district, solicit polls and pollsters that, they believe, best reflect what their respective constituents are thinking and feeling.  Not fully and comprehensively understanding this is another exercise in complete foolishness.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 8:56 am Link to this comment

It’s truly fascinating that so many “open minded” people here claim to passionately support the working class majority but then denigrate those same people when they happen not to agree with what the “open minded” have to offer….ROFL


Would this be an example of “Fairy stories” regarding passionately caring about the middle working class?  It could be effectively argued that that certainly does appear to be case.

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Hmm…this too is fascinating.

Hypocrisy:

1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not; especially :  the false assumption of an appearance of virtue

I wonder what the definition of “Democracy” is.  I’m doubting it is defined by the right to protest if only one agrees with the “Open Minded” “All Inclusive” and “Peaceful” thinkers on TruthDig…...nawww…that would be a fairy tale to believe such foolishness.  LOL

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 8:35 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, - “Yeah, most people believe as I do, because I want it to be that way and of course I prove it by saying so!”

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(Smile) You are wasting your talents here.  You should be writing to CNN to complain about their polling data and Nancy Pelosi for attempting to gain support of the growing, educated, working middle class Tea Party protesters.  You need to write to the many “progressive” commentators, on these pages and others, for attempting to start a “Teabag” movement….LOL

I have never said that I support the protesters agenda.  You have imagined that part on your own.  In fact I disagree with much of the crowd, however, I wholly support their democratic right to protest and believe it’s both foolish and elitist to denigrate these nationwide protests.

If we fail to authentically listen to their protests we willingly keep ourselves ignorant on the whole of American issues and politics. We, in effect, keep ourselves narrowly focused.  Or, as you might say, “incoherently” myopic.

If we simply and authentically listen we learn.  Whether we agree or not with what we hear.

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By Leefeller, March 4, 2010 at 7:44 am Link to this comment

Using Oklahoma as a barometer for me is like using the KKK as a barometer for Bill Cosby? Citing people as educated then following with how they all think the same seems almost as if one believes in fairy stories?

Yeah, most people believe as I do, because I want it to be that way and of course I prove it by saying so!

If indeed Tea Baggers are highly educated or slightly educated even not educated middle class or poor what the hell difference does it make?  They sure as hell are not coherent!

Tbag cause must be highly educated especially when they can capture someone like Winky Palin into being their spokes tbag! (maybe they could tie tbags on her I lashes and do the Rumba?) 

Has anyone noticed the tbag shortage at the local Piggly Wiggly, thats how I gage things?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

Facing growing evidence that the Tea Party protesters are rising from the educated middle-working class Progressive leader Nancy Pelosi has recently began an attempt to co-opt this ever growing and strengthening movement by suggesting that “the democratic party has much in common with the Tea Party” phenomena.

In fact this movement as been so tremendously effective across the United States that several Progressive commentators are now calling for their own “Tea Party” movement.  LOL…....

In fact, and anyone can research this themselves, the Tea Party movement picked up it’s best steam over last summer’s “health-care Town Hall Meetings” all across the United States.  The majority of protesters were made up of the elderly retired class.  The same elderly most “progressives” claim to hold such warm-hearted feelings toward and a desire to “help”.  The very same elderly human beings “Progressives” have gone out of their way to belittle, denigrate and marginalize (F*%# the elderly. Their stupid and have not been on earth long enough to understand better than most how Washington works)!  Let them eat cat food!

In fact, and anyone can research this themselves, Sen. Brown won the liberal state of Massachusetts by claiming to align himself with the Tea Party and would be, in his words, “the 41st vote against current health-care proposals”.  - What is most telling on Sen. Brown’s election is that Massachusetts has the closest health-care system resembling what is being proposed in Washington today.  The majority of Massachusetts voters rejected it and voted for a republican for the first time in decades. - A stunning defeat, felt from coast to coast, for the progressive agenda!

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By Shenonymous, March 4, 2010 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

I don’t think anyone is making the mistake of ignoring the Teabaggers.  I use Leefeller as a barometer.  It is just that they represent a certain small-minded and really small segment of the entire population, most of whom don’t have a pot to piss in and 30 million who don’t have health care protection.  As Weiner says, a very precocious politician, polls can say what anyone wants them to.  Check out Jon Stewart, comic as he is, he has a very cunning take on the entire thing.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 4, 2010 at 4:46 am Link to this comment

Congressman Dan Boren (http://boren.house.gov/) said yesterday that many of his colleagues will not be in Washington if they go through with a yes vote on proposed health-care legislation.  He said there is nothing that will sway his mind after explaining that he had just seen a poll in which 17% of his entire state support current health-care legislation.

“People do not want this.  They do not want it shoved down their throats and they do not want reconciliation.’ - ‘They can break my arms.  They can do whatever they want to.  They will never get my vote.  Ever.  They can walk across my dead body”  I will not vote for this!”

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83% of Oklahoma voters must simply be too stupid to inherently understand what is in their best interest?  Or is it more likely that it’s only those wrapped up in their own political agenda who are unable to listen to working people across the state?

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

The Tea Party is all Republicans.  Some populace cuckolds, but all Republicans.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

Recent CNN polling data tell us that those involved in the Tea Party movement are from the middle class, mostly middle aged or beyond and a whopping 75 percent are college-educated. These are not uninformed citizens in pursuit of dingbat policies.

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I will say it again.  It is an incredibly ignorant and short-sighted mistake to ignore these protests.  It’s been a foolish display of both elitism and a gross lack of judgment to belittle the protesters as an “embarrassment”.  It has only served to anger working class Americans.

Facing growing evidence that the Tea Party protesters are rising from the educated middle-working class Progressive leader Nancy Pelosi has recently began an attempt to co-opt this ever growing and strengthening movement by suggesting that “the democratic party has much in common with the Tea Party” phenomena.

In fact this movement as been so effective across the United States that there are several Progressive commentators now calling for their own “Tea Party” movement.

What a stupid and avoidable mistake it has been in calling these protests anything but legitimate.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 6:33 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, check to see if the canine teeth are very long, then you know they are
vampires and bloodsuckers.  There has been a run on tooth files in the last few
weeks. The dental tool manufacturer might be a good investment, except I
think it is in China.
The bloodsuckers may be incognito.  The pulse the GOP
feels is the fibrillation from fear but it is euphemistically said to be the heart beat
of America!  5 Yups.


Perhaps the American people are very bright but they are prevaricated to about
health care benefits.  The 30,000,000 who are not covered might disagree with
you GYRM.  It is now dinnah tyme.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

Stupak says 12 previous health bill supporters could flip over abortion

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The Senate’s healthcare bill would lose 12 Democratic votes in the House, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) said Wednesday.

Stupak, the sponsor of an amendment to the House healthcare bill which barred federal subsidies for health plans covering abortion, said that 12 lawmakers who had previously supported healthcare reform legislation in the House.

“It’s accurate to say there are at least 12 of us who voted for healthcare that have indicated to the speaker and others that unless you change this language, we will vote against it”.....

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/84827-stupak-says-12-previous-health-bill-supporters-could-flip-over-abortion


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12 examples of hundreds on how it has been the Democratic party which has failed to gain the votes for their health-care legislation.  Failed. Even with pass-all, veto free, Super Majority status. 

Opinions may change but facts remain.

Of the 535 Members of Congress there is not a single member who has reported a majority in their respective districts support proposed democratic health-care legislation. 

Several recent national polls are reflecting that nearly 70% of likely voters across the nation are of a mind to scrap all current plans and start over.

Democrats likely do not have the votes to pass reconciliation in the House.

If this latest legislation, proposed by the president today, passes Ms. Pelosi will lose her Chair and republicans will take the Senate next fall.  Possibly 22 seats in the House will go republican.

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American are very bright.  They inherently know and understand they do not want government involvement in 1/7 of the economy via health-care.

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By Leefeller, March 3, 2010 at 4:14 pm Link to this comment

Not sure who wants Medical insurance and who does not! But I know one thing for sure, I would like to save some money from the blood sucking price increases my insurance companies seems to have when ever they need to go on vacation or they feel like it.

Maybe the majority of the people like all this blood sucking and maybe some folks get used to it, though seems prerverted to me.  Some People act like if someone is not sucking blood from them, they feel like something is wrong or maybe heaven forbid they may seem gay or different according to their standards or even worst they may seem to others like socialists.

Well, Social Security has helped many folks and if Bush the great had his way we could all have been graced by the bale out maybe even made some money? So now it is bash Obama time, Beck and call has his crony followers on one side bashing and people like Hedges has his crony followers on the other bashing. I am beginning to feel sorry for Obama getting this bashing from both sides. Lately, I have notices his ears moving in on his head. 

The pulse of America is said to be felt by the GOP, for they keep telling me so. Clones from the GOP keep saying “We know what the Americans Want!” Yeah!——How about health insurance like you arse holes have! We know how hard you folks in Congress worked to get wHere you are and the last time I voted myself a raise I can count on no hands.

It feels real nice to have such caring people representing me in Congress, now all I need to do, is get is a job as a lobbyist to knock this representing thing up a whole passel of knoches!

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment

Burn Bunning at the stake!  Oh, let the old guy go.  He had his last mean and
dastardly fling.  Bunning did do a whore’s service not only for the Republicans, but
he showed the conditioned to drooling public, who adores the sound biting and
pathetic Sarah, just how easy it is to stick a piece of pig shit into getting any
legislation, even the tiniest bill, through the comatose Congress.  Comedy seems
to be the way to get through to the swiss-cheese brains of the Common
Population.  I knew it!

What is Al Franken up to these days?  Nary a peep?  Weiner’s the man.

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Bunning should be blamed, along with all the Conservative Right-Wing Republican EXTREMISTS and the Left-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS that care nothing at all about populace jobs, or whether the populace live or die, Republicans much prefer the populace to die, but not in front of them, it wouldn’t look good for a demogogue Christian to just let people die in front of them, so drag them off to prison, or something..

All Republicans are Corporate Conservative EXTREMISTS and with people like Bunning, it does make it more difficult for the Republicans to keep up their deception of the populace, because Bunning made it really plain that the populace can sleep under a bridge, freeze or starve as far as Republicans are concerned, cut their unemployment money off.  Our country needs more Conservatives that will come right out and just say the truth, like Bunning did.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 1:20 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer’s Columns
Don’t Blame Bunning

How convenient that seemingly everyone in the liberal blogosphere, and even at many points to the right, got to use Jim Bunning as a scapegoat.

The venom of the attacks suggests that the maverick Republican senator from Kentucky provided a welcome alternative to the real villains:

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/dont_blame_bunning_20100303/

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By MarthaA, March 3, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

It is not 50/50.  There are at least 10% of the population that are Republican Nobles, which leaves only 40% of the populace being deceived cuckolds for the Right-Wing Conservative Republican EXTREMISTS that are the Republican Party, the GOP, because the populace should be 100% against the Corporate Republican Conservative EXTREMISTS, which would poll out to be 90/10, if media mogul Rupert Murdock and his conservatism, sophism and propaganda did not pervade the airwaves 24/7.

There should be no member of the populace fending to not have living wage jobs and pay outrageous usury, but that is exactly what the cuckolded Republican populace do, having been deceived into thinking they are doing exactly the opposite with the authoritative conservative Republican EXTREMISTS.

This 40% of the populace need to see the error of their ways and there will be change, because the populace will be able to join together to effect change.  Without the populace joining together, there is no way President Obama will have the support to effect much change.

A Left-Wing Movement could be beneficial for President Obama, but no Right-Wing Movement is beneficial to President Obama or the nation as a whole, as the Right-Wing is the root of what is causing the problem.  Here is how to start a Left-Wing Movement:

http://freespeechforpeople.org/making

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “equivocating already?”

As I have always written, on this thread and others, roughly half the nation vote republican.  We covered this exact topic only days ago. 50/50. Remember?

If you don’t want others to think you are demonizing half of the U.S. do not use such sweeping condemnations.  GOP (your term) is a wide net. Be specific. Which people, exactly, is it that have the agenda to murder so many millions of the poor, sick, elderly, and the young?  Is it Limbaugh?  Is it Beck?  Is it Boehner?  Is it McConnell?  Palin, Cheney, Bush, or one of the many State Party Chairs?  Are these murderers in City Councils or the school boards all across the United States?  Do they reside in several million homes from coast to coast?  Or do you have in mind the nearly 70% of ALL Americans who do not want what your beloved party is pushing in health-care?

It is you who wishes to lump me in with your ill conceived notion of every republican demon you have ever imagined.  It is you who insist I must denounce every republican you happen to disagree with.  It is ONLY YOU who believes I must answer your clarion call to action against these demons you envision.  I, my dear lady, am not a republican.  But then you already understood that long ago, didn’t you?

Who of the (roughly) hundred million republicans have you imagined to be mass murdering demons intent on annihilating so many millions of people?

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I will not budge one iota into another discussion, I’ll not answer a single question, until I am convinced that you fully understand the blinding, harmful and needless hatred of others you appear now to be spreading on these pages.  I will play no part in it. 

You are a Limbaugh of the Left and it sickens me through and through.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Well it is fallacious of you to turn what I say about the Republicans into a
description of half the American people.  Who do you think you are fooling
GRYM?  You fail to address my questions and dance into an affected
‘disappointment’ about my views.  You avoid dealing with the truth I’ve put on
the table.  I have not descended into any such chasm.  I see now you say it is
‘roughly’ half the population (equivocating already?).  Well I admit I did not see
you actually verbally applaud Glenn Beck and his bosom buddies, but the
implication dilutes that omission when in your verbal clapping in defense of
the current kind of Republicanism comes with your omission to criticize him
and his ilk.  It is just that kind of thing that typifies Republicans to completely
decline to criticize their own progeny.  “Right or wrong we will keep them safe
within the fold” is their attitude, never ever criticizing when one of them falls
into your own version of a cesspool of human behavior.  They are so lacking in
membership that they will take in vicious animals to keep their numbers on the
visible horizon. 

Yes, sometimes silence is damning.  It is like watching that woman Kitty
Carlisle years ago be raped and beaten to death on the streets of New York
without anyone lifting a finger to help her.  Or that young boy in Chicago who
recently was beaten to death and again people simply watched without so
much as batting an eyelash.  Yes those represent immorality of a physical type,
but there is immorality of the mental type that is the more insidious kind since
it is harder to detect.  If you want to paint it as “the nature” of politics as usual,
well you would have to show that it is.  And if it is, then politics is more
repugnant than anything since it affects everyone in such evil ways.

I cannot stay silent, even having my own comfortable life, when Americans are
not able to eke out a decent life.  It is true there are many lazy people who try
and do exploit the system.  I can only hope eventually they will be found out
and steps taken against them, but they do not diminish the need of millions
who do legitimately need help because the ‘system’ in which they have had to
find a life did not provide them the equal opportunity to create a decent life,
either by reason of low wages, high cost of health care, inadequate education,
all the ways a person is kept from achieving their utmost potential by the
‘system.’  It is that kind of cynicism of the Right that bothers me deeply.  And
frankly I do not understand it, nor can I understand a thinking person such as
yourself who holds a defense for that kind of low level caring for your fellow
man. 

I am sorry to disappoint you.  It is not my intention to disappoint anyone.
Imagine how disappointed I am in you!  I am conscious of the hypocrisy in this
country to glibly mouth on one side egalitarian values yet the calculated
exploitation of people on the other side, by those only interested in protecting
their assets, to diminish the idea that all are equally human and equally have
the right to a decent life.  I fully understand that the phrase “decent life” is
ambiguous but it is not so vague that what it essentially means escapes even
the most challenged mind.  Do I really need to spell it out?  And unless you feel
that way then I cannot see where you and I can come to any sensible
confluence.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 7:13 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “I don’t think GOP is full of ‘mythical’ demons, but rather they are ‘REAL’ human ones (demons).”

“Their (republican) agenda to reduce (Kill) the population is to allow people to die (Murder) for lack of health care and to cause death (Kill) because of poverty, the old, the very young and the very despondent.”

Your ideas of late have taken a sickening turn.  IF you do not want others to see such an odd description of roughly half the population don’t write such odd, sickening and unbalanced things.  Simply stop.

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You Write: “If you think he and his band of skunky stripe malcontents like Glenn Beck make melodic political tones then I am sorry for you,”

Where did you get the idea I am aligned with Glenn Beck?  Your imagination!  Never from me.  To be frank you are making things up and convincing yourself it’s real. 

I fear you are spending far too much time with the Internet and media world. THAT WORLD IS NOT REAL!

I have never seen you write such sickening and hate filled things.  I am genuinely taken aback by your blinding hatred.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Politics is sickening, and on that I agree.  It is reverting to the murderous level
of the ancients.  They and the newsmedia watch like vultures looking for even
the slightest bruised politician to descend and pick their bones clean.  But I see
more Republicans, because it is all of them who are, involved in that kind of
frenzy.  Lucidity and balance has become a point of view.  Saying I think 50% of
the American people wish to kill people is equivalent to claiming the health
care bill mandates death panels.  The people who are counted as opposing the
health care bill have been hoodwinked with lies and false arguments that their
well-being is in jeopardy.  I don’t believe Americans enmass desire anyone to
die from a lack of healthcare or benefits.  That is a rather vicious way of
characterizing what I am saying.  I am sorry you are sad and sickened that I
care more about the American people than I do about the self-serving
politicians who use them as fodder for their own entrenched political gain. 
That is what is really disgusting and sickening. 

I have had a high opinion of your ability to speak forthrightly and without
becoming verbally abusive.  And you know I agree there are virtues to being
fiscally responsible.  But you have not produced one name on the Democratic
side who is spewing the kind of immoral vulgarities that issues non-stop from
Limbaugh, Beck, now Palin, and all of their political bed buddies who spoke at
the CPAC convention Their ugly sophistry is calculated to verbally beat with
strap, lash, and rod those who are already made tender by the economic mess
this country is in created in eight short years by the previous most unfiscally
responsible Republican administration.  It is their blatant hypocritical pretense
to rail against social programs that help the American people.  Tell me how
Iraq helped the American people, please.  This irrationality is one reason I do
not move closer even more to the center and every time I see them and hear
their fecal and savage tirades, I am moved emotionally more to the left.

I find the best spokesman for the Democrats today the articulate Rep. Anthony
Weiner, NY.  He almost singlehandedly is saving the face of the Democrats and
the rest ought to take a few lessons.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 3, 2010 at 3:46 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

You believe roughly half the nation wishes to kill people.  To be equally frank that’s not lucid and balanced.

From my computer I see no difference between what you have been spewing the last few days and those you complain about.

I’m sickened and saddened by it.

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By Shenonymous, March 3, 2010 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

To be blunt GRYM, I don’t think GOP is full of ‘mythical’ demons, but rather
they are real human ones.  I almost fell off my chair laughing at Rush
Limbaugh’s poisonous spew tonight at dinnertime news.  I don’t know how the
man lives with such alkali in his veins.  He will self-destruct if he doesn’t calm
down.  If you think he and his band of skunky stripe malcontents like Glenn
Beck make melodic political tones then I am sorry for you, as I think these who
walk as excuses for humans are malodorously malefic in their boisterous
raving. They sound like escaped inmates of an insane asylum.  If any
Republican ever came forward with reasonable proposals, I’d listen, name one
who does.  All they ever deliver is a vicious pitbull kind of attack of
obstructionist politics.  There is nothing like it on the Liberal Leftists side, even
in the usual dose of partisan reporting by Dylan Ratigan or Ed Schultz.

Besides Bunning, 18 Republicans voted against the bill to extend for one month
unemployment benefits for thousands of Americans to give Congress time to
debate longer-term extensions of the program.  As it is 2,000 Transportation
Department Americans were furloughed a day.  Maybe a day of income doesn’t
amount to much for Republican politicians but it means quality of life to
ordinary people out of work.  It is typical of the Republicans to deprive
Americans of a decent life. While I think serious consideration needs to
accompany spending of American tax dollars by the federal government,  I am
intensely against the Republican effort to deliberately cause misery for millions
of Americans while they support the health care industry.

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By MarthaA, March 2, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

The actual Republican base doesn’t represent even one of the populace.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 2, 2010 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “Their (republican) agenda to reduce the population is to allow people to die for lack of health care and to cause death because of poverty, the old, the very
young and the very despondent.”

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You dehumanize roughly half the population and turn them into mythical demons.

It could not be more clear that it is you who intend a great deal of ill will toward others.  You are creating enemies needlessly.  Where none exist.

Good Luck to You.

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By Shenonymous, March 2, 2010 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

From his usual pontificating MSNBC morning throne, pompous Joe Scarborough
said this morning the Democratic Party is dismantling.  His wishful-thinking
head is where the sun don’t shine!  He also criticizes and accuses those who
teach as considering what they do as a “job” instead of “having a calling!”  What
kind of insanity is that?  I suppose he works altruistically for nothing too?  What
an ass, and he’s an elephant Republican!

Well GRYM, the simple truth is that the Democrats will be passing their health-
care legislation without the Obstructionist Party.  In a representative republic,
a simple majority will rule….this time.  We all notice the inhuman wailing that is
emerging from the Republican pulmonary cavity, now that the Democrats are
taking charge and will pass their health care legislation.  The Republicans will
have to eat it in their districts when they have to explain why they denied 30
million people health care protection.  It is just like the Republican Senator
Bunning who now has left a million unemployed without a means to survive.  It
is a howl the claim that unemployment benefits, which employers pay for
anyway, not the government, make people not want to get a job!  There are few
jobs to be had.  There is no need to “re-direct” blame, it is obvious with every
word the Republicans speak they want this president to fail.  Their policies put
this country in the morass it is in today and they want to drive it farther into
the ground.  Their agenda to reduce the population is to allow people to die for
lack of health care and to cause death because of poverty, the old, the very
young and the very despondent.  Nice agenda.  Their glee club sings loud and
clear.  They don’t care a twit about Americans, they only care about power and
maintaining their wealth.  Their actions are driving centrist liberals like me
farther and deeper to the left.

Seems to me that a new and ugly paradigm of politics has taken place in the
last decade and a minority party now must be obstructionist born from
Reaganomania?  What ever happened to caring for the majority of the people? 
Your Obstructionist Party is without a doubt racist mouthpieces and protectors
of corporate America.  The 30 million who need health care protection is
negligible to the Republicans.  Frankly I don’t understand how humans can
walk around with such frozen brains.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 2, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, - “Standing close behind either an elephant or a Donkey barefoot seems in the very least not prudent.”

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Try as I may I fail to see the relevance in your comment.  Shenonymous does not strike me as a follow-behind democrat and I am, most decidedly, not a republican.

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By Leefeller, March 2, 2010 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Standing close behind either an elephant or a Donkey barefoot seems in the very least not prudent.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 2, 2010 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

Congressman Jason Altmire (http://www.altmire.house.gov/) spoke very clearly just this morning.  He stated that his Pennsylvania district is “fairly evenly split”, however, voters in his district “are overwhelmingly skeptical” regarding proposed health-care legislation.  - It’s important to keep in mind the democratic president spoke over 400 times on the matter over the past year.  Americans inherently understand that all claims that we can cover more people and, at the same time, lower costs is simply not credible.  Very few people are that gullible or star-struck.  Put in context it’s not about being a democrat or a republican.

Again.  Not a single republican vote was needed to pass health-care legislation.

Your focus appears to be misplaced.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 2, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

The very simple truth is that the democratic party did not need even a single republican vote to pass their own health-care legislation.  Democrats have been unable to convince fellow party members to vote for the legislation as proposed. 

Any attempt to re-direct blame for democratic party failure to pass their own legislation is misplaced. 

In an representative republic the majority rules.

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Yes. Republicans are doing all they can to obstruct democratic legislation.  I frankly do not understand your attitude.  That’s what the minority party does.  Simply stated; you will be unable to share a unique example to the contrary.

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By Shenonymous, March 1, 2010 at 8:44 pm Link to this comment

GRYM, you said, “You appear to want to blame those evil republicans when it
has been the democrat controlled congress which has so far failed to sell their
ideas in the their respective districts.  But for that the party would have passed
it’s plan months ago.  Is this not correct?”

No, that is not correct.  You make it sound as if it is duck soup to pass
legislation.  Given that there are the Blue Dog Democrats, you know and so
does everybody else that the Republicans en block have been the obstinate and
perverse factor in the Democrats not being able to succeed in passing their
social bills.  How fatuous.  That is the fallacy that has been perpetrated by
those who would thwart every program Obama has put forth and every bill the
Democratic Congress has sent for a vote.  It is staggering what
obstructionists the Republicans are.  It will be to their detriment when and if
they do win back the majority in Washington.  This is all as we witness the
filibuster that is going on by one Republican that will cut unemployment
payments for over a million people!  As the LA Times reports, Unemployment
insurance is not welfare, people pay for it!  The man, Bunning, is a partisan
misanthrope.

So GRYM, why don’t the pollsters take a poll of the 30 million who are not
covered by health insurance and see what the results would be then?

The people polled have been given such demagogically negative information
about health reform by the invidious Republicans in political office that I am
not surprised that the numbers are as bleak as the pollsters say.  Well we will
see as time goes along what will happen.  Stating that I disagree with the
Rightist view would be just a matter of pissing into the wind.  Reasons why
reform is crucial has been articulated extremely well by Obama.  Nothing the
Republicans say adds any reasons by health care reform is not needed.  It is
absurd to throw away all the work that has been done as the Republicans say,
to start over, which I think is the biggest pile of BS I’ve ever heard.  It is my
hope that the Democrats muster enough courage to pass the reform bill and
thumb their noses at the Republican contingent.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 27, 2010 at 4:59 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I largely agree with you regarding polling data.  That’s why most national polling aggregates offer the “internals” to the public.  One can see the poll matrix employed.

There are several respectable poll aggregates which allow us a fair sense of what people are thinking and feeling.  Aside from Bush’s approvals nearing his end in office I can’t recall the last time someone Left-of-Center didn’t try to denigrate such polls.  Why you you think that is? (Smile)

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I give people far more credit in knowing what’s in their best interest.  I see evidence of it every day.  After over 400 speeches by the U.S. President the majority of Americans simply do not want what he envisions in health-care reform.  It truly is that simple, my friend. 

Every national poll I have ever seen clearly illustrates that for the vast majority of Americans, 80% of whom claim to enjoy the care they receive, the issue is cost, cost, and cost.  Not a desire for comprehensive change that looks like European health-care. 

What the Democratic Congress is offering bucks what 80% of Americans feel in their daily lives.

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You appear to want to blame those evil republicans when it has been the democrat controlled congress which has so far failed to sell their ideas in the their respective districts.  But for that the party would have passed it’s plan months ago.  Is this not correct?

In my experience it’s the people who are largely out front while Washington lags.  Just as it should be.

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By Shenonymous, February 27, 2010 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

This is worth repeating:  no real argument can [ever] be returned so the resort to
name-calling, which is a device of the paraphilic infantile, is the only slithering
posture to take and they wind up having to wear mind diapers for all the crap that
is generated. I gave it a slight modification and five yups.

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By Leefeller, February 27, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

The banter of kids fighting in the back seat of the car or in maybe in a school yard.  Listening to great comebacks like one learns at a young age, “So is your Old Man” or how about “the same to you but much more of it”.

Did I just describe Congress?

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By ardee, February 27, 2010 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

Most on these forums are unable to break their narcotic addiction of name-
calling, Leefeller.
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Followed by a bunch of name calling…Your usual practice too.

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By Shenonymous, February 26, 2010 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

And when the Republicans say “The American People” don’t want the health
care reform bill references are never cited.  Only wishful thinking motivates
their attempt to derail this and every Obama legislative program. I don’t believe
The American People have been given a truthful explanation of what the reform
bill contains.  The Republicans have consistently misrepresented the bill
purposely and to the detriment of The American People. 

Poll sampling needs to be analyzed itself.  Are the pollsters asking only
registered voter?.  Is the sampling composed only of registered Republican
voters?  What is the ratio of registered Democrats to registered Republican
voters?  What is the economic demographics?  Polls are slyly skewed to show
whatever trend is desired by the phrasing of the question and how much the
polled are informed of the truth of the matter.

I don’t doubt that when conducted properly, public opinion polling can be
credible. Conducting sufficiently good survey research, however, is not a
simple matter. To be accurate, the questions on a survey must be asked of a
group of people (the sample) that represents the larger population. The
questions themselves must be veritable indicators of the opinions or attitudes
the pollster is trying to measure and the questions must be asked consistently
from one person to the next. Pollsters generally worry about sampling errors
and non-sampling errors in survey research.  They rarely give a definitive
description of the sampling.  Public opinion polls must on the whole be read
with caution. Any one opinion poll might be inaccurate for a variety of reasons.
Moreover, even accurately measured public opinion is often based on limited or
inaccurate information and people are prone to change their minds.

Any help would be appreciated if it can be shown that any fair poll is taken and
exactly what the composition of the sample is, what the questions are that are
asked and if rephrased would the answers yield similar results?

Regardless of how poll numbers are courted for whatever purpose is desirable,
your argument about polls, GRYM, is moot.  For instance, if you google to find
out public support for the 2010 jobs bill that just passed by 70 to 28 votes, you
will find no poll had been taken at all.  Now I think that is quite significant.  It
is only when the results of a public that “could” be grossly disaffected is when
it becomes newsworthy.  Even so, and while I disagree with your perspective, I
think the Democrats miss the boat informing the public of the positive aspects
of their legislation.  They continually allow the autocratical Republicans to
disinform the public.  The also do not know how to seduce the news media
with an energetic progressivism, but rather the acrimony of extreme leftists
only irritate an already primed and beset public.  The political passion shown by
Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson needs to be homogenous throughout the
Democratic Party.  As it is, Democrats mainly come across as lethargic and
anemic.  Most have forgotten old time politics when passion attended reason
and both together got things done with public support.

Most on these forums are unable to break their narcotic addiction of name-
calling, Leefeller.  It seems no real argument can be returned so the resort to
name-calling, which is a device of the paraphilic infantile, is the only slithering
posture to take and they wind up having to wear mind diapers for all the crap
that is generated.  Social psychologists and linguists attribute name-calling to
frustration and attempts to make opponents retaliate intemperately.  Anger sets
in and less than mature adults fall into infantile name-calling.  It is a frustrated
prelude to physical bullying.  Dr. Roy Harris, University of Virginia called it
aggressive behavior, it is a subliminal desire for fist fighting and bitter name-
calling emerges to replace the physical violence.

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By Leefeller, February 26, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

If one is to worry about sources of information, all they have to do is find the the pulse of a lobbyist,  the real America.

Fox News is fair and biased, because they told me so! I appreciate their honesty.

If a person watched both Fox and MSNBC at the same time they would get a more balanced picture, though I believe not turning on the TV would get the same results and save money at the same time.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 26, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

MSNBC has been reporting for months that the American people “Are All” clamoring for the House and Senate to pass “The Democrat Party Plan” for health-care reform. - MSNBC repeatedly fails to cite their source information.

Truth be told I have yet to find a single national poll which illustrates a majority in favor of the legislation as proposed.

I’m looking for help in locating any national poll which supports what MSNBC continues to report.

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In fact I would be interested to see any national poll which illustrates that the majority of Americans have supported even a single major piece of legislation put forth by the president or the democratically controlled congress.

Any help would be appreciated.

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By Leefeller, February 26, 2010 at 7:15 am Link to this comment

Ferocious criticism? What makes criticism ferocious?
Is ferocious opposite to mam bee-pam bee criticism?

As an observer of what She describes as criticism seems to me, really more of a form of one upping than criticism. One sees it constantly done here on TD. She has been forced to take it to a much higher level.

Some attacks directed at She seem to have been more of a personal nature, reasons only known to the moron attackers themselves, I suspect a form of masochism is at play. So it seems such imbeciles line up and enjoy having their heads handed to them on a platter.

Not criticizing use of the word ferocious just feel it dost not complete the picture.

A picture of a fox comes to mind, (not the news) a real fox chasing a mouse! The fox captures the mouse and then lets it go to chase it again! This goes on for several times. Seems some people are like the fox and others are the most ferocious mouses?

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By Shenonymous, February 26, 2010 at 6:18 am Link to this comment

If only one were sour then possibly the singular verb “is” could be appropriate in
some limited minds (but not really ever) for the plural grapes, but there are a few
sours on this website and the plural verb continues to be correct.  Those with
puckered faces show themselves plurally.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 26, 2010 at 6:05 am Link to this comment

Manchild,

Clearly my personality is both offensive and foreign to you. 

I tend not to tell people they are stupid for seeing issues differently.  I tend to present myself frankly and honorably.  I avoid writing things I do not sincerely believe in.

Most importantly it appears that you are greatly disturbed by how I genuinely attempt to listen with respect.

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By ardee, February 26, 2010 at 5:44 am Link to this comment

Two quick points…I believe that, in th econtext as applies, the phrase would be “grapes IS superfluous”. I know it sounds wrong but believe it aint…

As to my earlier remark below ( above?) I suddenly realised that this posters pomposity and arrogance would fail to see that I was attempting humor.

Oops , failed again.

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By ardee, February 26, 2010 at 3:37 am Link to this comment

My mere presence on TruthDig offends a great many “open-minded” people.

I doubt many here would deny anyone the right to express political opinion. I do not speak for others but I for one am not offput by your presence but by your offensive personality.

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By Shenonymous, February 26, 2010 at 12:53 am Link to this comment

I’d say sour grapes but I think grapes are superfluous.

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By MarthaA, February 25, 2010 at 9:42 pm Link to this comment

A likely story.

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By Shenonymous, February 25, 2010 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment

I know on Truthdig GRYM I am in a minority since I find your comments
rational and thoughtful even though we may disagree.  I believe civil people can
have different views of the world and neither is absolutely right nor absolutely
wrong.  Seems to me much misperception happens, and that is why I like to
read and appreciate Leefeller’s comments since he usually points out our follies
of thought but he does it with a unique humor that I find so otherwise utterly
lacking on Truthdig.  Life is serious I certainly know that, and I believe Leefeller
knows that as well having read his commentaries for over three years now. 
Life, however, can be so too serious that reality that is inclusive is not seen.

All that aside, I do not find your presence on Truthdig offensive, I am grateful
you are brave enough to run the gauntlet of the more or less rabid Leftists. 
They and I need to be kept honest.  There are a few of you that I’ve agreeably
run into and every time I find something of value in what you or they say, and I
say so, I get bombarded with ferocious criticism.  I brush it off knowing those
who do so are vacant in a comprehensive overview of life.  Understanding is a
unique ability of humans each should try to cultivate.  I consider myself on the
Left, as liberal, but I try to see the other side of the political coin.  Whoever
doesn’t I think unfortunately has a shallow perspective.  I’ve always thought a
quote of Voltaire most perceptive, though he was not my favorite mind in
history.  He said men are fond of murmuring, that there is a pleasure in
complaining and we delight in viewing only evil then exaggerating it.  I find
that being too intrenched in a political point of view, one can get drunk on it.  I
think a counterbalance is needed to keep one sober.  Unless of course it is
tequila sunrise politics.  Then everybody can drink everybody else under the
table.

Much as I abhor communism, seems to me even Stalin’s old expression of
‘political correctness’ has had its place that if political correctness is one of the
vices that plagues practical reasoning, then"moral correctness” or “ethical
correctness” should also be recognized as equally vicious.  I’ve read something
like the following somewhere and forget exactly where but it stuck in my mind. 
Those who find themselves acting not just in their own name but on behalf of
some kind of collective entity, say a political alliance or movement, or a
religious faction, might well be obliged to sanction acts of deception, coercion,
expropriation, or even violence, that would be proscribed by any plausible
moral code.  For they know that morality is not enough to effect change or
control societies.  Such conflicts between intuitions about personal virtue and
calculations about a larger good have all too frequently granted a dimension of
tragedy and grandeur to political action.  I have always wondered if that
actually were true?

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By Leefeller, February 25, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

Sarcasm attempted by one who seems unqualified is most painful to watch, brings back memories as a youngster of watching a beached whale die a slow death. Now that I think of it, possibly more painful for the observer.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 25, 2010 at 4:20 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

You are right.  I am defensive.  My mere presence on TruthDig offends a great many “open-minded” people.

There is much commentary here which I give little notice.  Yours is not one of them.

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By Shenonymous, February 25, 2010 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

One more thing… I did not ‘acquire’ my C-shirt, I made it myself!  A careful
reading of my comments is conducive to a more accurate observation.

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By Shenonymous, February 25, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Too bad MarthaA, but the maniacs on the Right have stolen my idea as I
offered it more than a month ago on Truthdig.  Life happens, but I’m still
wearing my Coffee Cuppers Unite, Democrats Keep Your America Yours.  Far as
my ejumakashun goes, hmmmm Ph.D. from reputable University, 20 years an
academic in well….academia.  Maybe you can give your credentials?  Please do
not align me with Glenn Beck, it is unsightly of you, meaning you have no sight,
meaning you are blind as a bat.

Far as GRYM goes - You are defensive as Leefeller so charmingly points out.  It
is best to not use the word ‘merely’ as it is equivocating.  Try to read beyond
your limited glossary.  I do not put much stock in polls, and didn’t when Bush
was president either. 

Given your stats, the Pew Research as of 2008 gives the following under the
headline Fewer Voters Identify as Republican at :
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans:

In 5,566 interviews with registered voters conducted by the Pew Research
Center for the People & the Press during the first two months of 2008, 36%
identify themselves as Democrats, and just 27% as Republicans.

The share of voters who call themselves Republicans has declined by six points
since 2004, and represents, on an annualized basis, the lowest percentage of
self-identified Republican voters in 16 years of polling by the Center.

The Democratic Party has also built a substantial edge among independent
voters. Of the 37% who claim no party identification, 15% lean Democratic, 10%
lean Republican, and 12% have no leaning either way.

As if February 22, 2010 the American Research Group, Inc. gives the following:
A total of 48% of Americans say they approve of the way Barack Obama is
handling his job as president and 46% say they disapprove of the way Obama is
handling his job. When it comes to Obama’s handling of the economy, 43% of
Americans approve and 49% disapprove.

Among Americans registered to vote, 49% approve of the way Obama is
handling his job as president and 46% disapprove. On Obama’s handling of the
economy, 44% of registered voters approve and 50% disapprove.

Overall, 8% of all Americans say their personal financial situations are getting
better and 24% say they expect their personal financial situations will be better
in a year. Of those saying they approve of the way Obama is handling his job as
president, 40% say they expect their personal financial situations will be better
in a year. Of those saying they disapprove of the way Obama is handling his
job, 42% say they expect their personal financial situations will be worse in a
year.

What does it all mean?  People’s minds change with the winds of fortune. 
These stats can change tomorrow if something big happens.  I try not to be
blown around like autumn leaves.  I watch what people say and what they do. 
For all Republicans stand to gain, the party still has problems. Polls show that
many voters, though unhappy with Democrats, are even less enamored of the
GOP.  I would put myself in that rotten barrel.

It is silly to argue over polls.  FYI GRYM I am “merely” demonstrating that polls
are chimeras and that on any one day a different poll result can be had the very
next day with a similar sampling, meaning from a similar group.

For instance, the ordinary American has not the foggiest idea of what is going
on in Afghanistan, don’t have any idea what the relative military efforts is nor
what is the sentiments of the Afghanistanis.  Yet they are stupidly asked by
pollsters their opinion of the situation.  Whatever they think they make it up on
the spot. It is a crock.

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By MarthaA, February 25, 2010 at 11:48 am Link to this comment

Darn, I left jingoistic ResistNet out of my post.  Republican ResistNet and Glenn Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, to name only a few are the epitome of jingoism.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-08/the-tea-partiers-phony-populism/

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By MarthaA, February 25, 2010 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

The Conservative Republican EXTREMISTS’ ResistNet against liberals and progressives did have Glenn Beck front and center as their Tea Party’s leader, but now they are just showing a woman, and the Conservative Republican EXTREMISTS’ ResistNet is also the coffee cup T-shirt thing that Shenonymous says she has acquired.  Perhaps she got her education free at the library, like Glenn Beck, as well, who’s to know; but Glenn Beck is proud of his progressive, liberal and free public library education, while he paints progressives and liberals as death to society, failing to mention whose society he is talking about.  Definitely not mine.

Yeoman Glenn Beck, by his own admission, is a creature of the commune that was given life by the commune, and then turned on the commune that gave him life.

http://rawstory.com/2010/02/stewart-beck-socialist-libraries/

Glenn Beck turned on community and democracy, therefore, since Glenn Beck turned on his own mother, the commune, and his own father, democracy, doesn’t it makes sense that sooner or later Glenn Beck will find an expedient reason of self interest to turn on his adoptive Conservative Right-Wing EXTREMIST parents of Capitalism, Rupert Murdoch and News Corp.?

At best all government is expedient, according to Henry David Thoreau.

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By Leefeller, February 25, 2010 at 8:39 am Link to this comment

“TruthDig regulars hate it when anyone points out their minority status in America.”

Using the word “hate” seems most presumptions.

Stereotyping seems a major requirement of bigots for it may be the simple mind of a bigot can obtain a certain point before it explodes!

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By Go Right Young Man, February 25, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

First.  I don’t think I have colored you needlessly, however, PLEASE DO feel free to point out when I may.  I was merely taking something you wrote (90/10) and applied it, I thought, accordingly. 

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While I maintain that Americans are evenly split when it comes to election day it remains clear that the United States is Right of Center, on the average, regarding most foreign and domestic issues. <—TruthDig regulars hate it when anyone points out their minority status in America. - The majority of TD “regulars” represent roughly 8% of American public attitudes.

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From a previous post. 1/1/010

I have yet to find a single national poll in which the majority of Americans support the domestic agenda of either the President or the Democratically controlled Congress.  Not a single one.

Manchild attempted to locate polling data to prove me incorrect and has, after two months, failed miserably.

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Rassmussen

Health Care Vote Puts Senator Ben Nelson 30 Points Down in Reelection Bid

Sixty-six percent (66%) of U.S. voters prefer a smaller government with fewer services and lower taxes over a more active government with more services and higher taxes.

63% of voters not affiliated with either major party like a smaller government better. Democrats are more narrowly divided: 54% favor a smaller government.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of all voters say tax cuts are a better way than more government spending to create jobs and fight unemployment. Only 21% say additional stimulus spending is a more effective tool.

Here is one extremely telling poll.  “Progressives” do not think kindly on American society as a whole, however, when polled Americans in general say America is: Fair and Decent 74% - Unfair and Discriminatory 11% <—TruthDig regulars.

Sixty-two percent (62%) of voters believe it would be better for our allies to follow America’s lead more often.

Just eight percent (8%) now say it would be better for the United States to do what our allies want more often. <—TruthDig regulars.

A new national survey finds that 50% of likely voters now believe that global warming is caused primarily by long-term planetary trends. - Just 34% say climate change is due primarily to human activity.

RCP Poll averages.

29% say U.S. heading in right direction
22% say 2009 was a good year.
53% see cost as biggest health care problem… they strongly oppose congressional plan
21% see lack of universal coverage as biggest health care problem.
81% say passage of health care plan will lead to higher middle class taxes… 68% say it will increase deficit.

58% fear government will do too much..
36% say US and allies winning War on Terror… down from 55% on Inauguration Day
Obama: Strongly Approve 25% Strongly Disapprove 41%..
Generic Congressional Ballot: Republicans 43% Democrats 38%..
58% Favor Waterboarding of Christmas day bomber
72% Favor keeping Guantanamo open
79% say another terrorist attack likely within year
22% of small business owners say conditions for their business getting better.

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FYI:  The bulk of people I speak to on the Left tend to claim that polls are not to be trusted (most polls do not reflect themselves).  Of course that was most decidedly not the case when national polling data illustrated Bush’s approval ratings in the 30’s.  Or, for example, when Bush’s “Troop Surge” was polling in the 40s.  At those times the data was cause for much rejoicing.

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By Shenonymous, February 25, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

I chose 90/10 as hypothetical hyperbole, the HH factor, since you were LOLing
about, but if you will recall, I said all statistics are made up, meaning they are
specious and dependent on the precise question asked and on the size of the
sample and exactly of what the sampling is composed, like who.  I also said I had
no pretenses.  Try not to color me any particular way except open to truth, thank
you.  Reality is more represented by the way things are.  55+13+2=a win for
jobs bill.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 25, 2010 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “I’d give it a much different ratio.  How about 90/10 and the 10% take unconscionable advantage of the 90.”

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Most people like to believe they are in the majority and that most “rational thinkers” believe as they do.  It’s comforting.


In the long term it is clear that half the nation vote republican and half the nation democrat in U.S. general elections.  *50/50.

Dependent on the ebb and flow of the mood of the United States elections are decided in favor of one party over another. *50/50.


If we break down the internals we find that roughly 35% identity with Democrats and the same rough percentage identify with republicans.  In general elections it is the middle 30% which decide national races. 

I believe it’s telling that half of all independent voters claim to identify with the Tea Party protests.  That’s half the electorate which decide elections one way or another. 50/50.

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One example of a polarizing issue which, I believe, is illustrative in this matter.  Abortion: “Do you think abortion should be legal in all cases, legal in most cases,  illegal in most cases or illegal in all cases?”

Always Legal 18%
Always Illegal 18%

Usually Legal 34%
Usually Illegal 24%

Unsure 7%

Quinnipiac University Poll. Jan. 5-11, 2010.

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It’s interesting that you have, for one reason or another, come to believe that 90% agree with you.  I think it safe to say that this will color your understanding of what Americans feel and think about. 

The raw truth is that the United States is fairly evenly split.  You will find this split in every workplace, every classroom and every boardroom in America.

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*One last example of this split.

Roughly half the nation voted for Carter.
Roughly half the nation voted for Reagan.
Roughly half the nation voted for Bush 41.
Roughly half the nation voted for Clinton.
Roughly half the nation voted for Bush 43.
Roughly half the nation voted for Obama.

Aside from desire where are you seeing a 90/10 split?

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By Shenonymous, February 25, 2010 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

Populace lacks ingenuity and excitement and sounds old and dank.  What would
one call oneself, a Populacer?  a Populatlet and Populatlette?  No thanks.  I’ll stay a
Democrat.

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 8:42 pm Link to this comment

Populace Party is much preferable.

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By Shenonymous, February 24, 2010 at 7:42 pm Link to this comment

GRYM-I have not forgotten, and I do not pretend.  I admit to identifying with
the common Americans not those who uncommonly have most of the wealth. 
Not sure where you got the 50/50 metaphor.  You are right, it is not real and it
is not the Truth.  I’d give it a much different ratio.  How about 90/10 and the
10% take unconscionable advantage of the 90.  MarthaA gives a 70/20/10
division.  All statistics of this sort is made up.  I haven’t the foggiest notion
what the ‘real’ ratio is.  But it is worth the research and I will commence to do
that this weekend.  The polemic I proposed comes from watching the various
players as they give voice to their pet political postures.  It is significant that
the big news today was the 13 Republicans who joined 55 Democrats and 2
Independents to approve a jobs bill.  The amount is irrelevant.  The point is that
it was huge news that 13 Republicans crossed the line.  That gives evidence
that it is an enormously big deal when even a handful of Republicans do
something extraordinary like actually help get some legislation passed! 

I only drink African Rooibos Red Tea at dinner.  I prefer coffee in the morning
and made and wear a coffee stained C-shirt that says Coffee Cuppers of
America Unite!
Subtitle: Democrats, Keep America for the
People
  I don’t like the name Progressive Tea Party and would not get
involved.

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

The problem is US and THEM.  US being the populace and THEM being the Corporate Elite Capitalists.  The following post answers this really well.  Shouldn’t the new movement to represent the populace be the Populace Party Movement?

It’s Time for a Progressive Tea Party Movement

by: Stephen Crockett, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Wednesday 24 February 2010

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-
movement57149

Page 1 of 3

Most progressives have little respect for the Fox News-generated “Tea Party” movement. However, it has tapped into a very real populist anger with the direction the country is headed in at this point in our history.

Progressives should see a real opportunity in the emergence of the “Tea Party” movement to educate the public and redirect the anger to the real villains whose actions and policies created the many problems faced by the citizens of the United States of America. Our government has failed the American public by serving corporate interests and private profit instead of the public good.

The Republican Right has been somewhat successful in twisting this legitimate anger and aiming it against those who have been fighting this corporate takeover and corruption instead of themselves. They do this by lying to the public and twisting reality.

Of course, Fox News has been the leading force in this evil propaganda campaign. However, a few corporatist Democrats like Sen. Ben Nelson, Independents like Joe Lieberman and almost every elected Republican in the nation have helped advance the corporatist agenda by deceiving the reformist elements in the Tea Party movement.

Tea Party activists should realize that Fox News was formed by corporatists to advance the corporatist agenda. The corporatists have captured the “conservative” movement. They are playing their followers for suckers. A few Tea Party leaders know they are being used as a tool of the Republican Right and corporatists, but most do not.

The American government is not the enemy if it is actually controlled by the American public instead of by the rich and powerful elite who make up the corporatists’ power structure. The American government needs to provide a check and balance against corporate power. We must recapture our government from corporate interests. This will never be done by Republicans. It will never be done by the small corporatist faction of the Democratic Party. It can be done with an alliance of progressives, real Tea Party reformers, economic populists and grassroots Democrats.

The Scott Browns and Sarah Palins of the nation only play at being populists. They act in support of the corporatist agenda while talking like reformers. Scott Brown was financed by corporatist forces. He was heavily financed by the debt collection industry, banking interests, health insurance companies and the like, just like Sarah Palin. Brown opposes Wall Street reforms and regulation. He wants corporate power to go unchecked. These ideas are clearly enemies of the American public and real functional democracy. Folksy talk is just more hot air. It is actions that count.

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

It’s Time for a Progressive Tea Party Movement

by: Stephen Crockett, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Wednesday 24 February 2010

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-
movement57149

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So-called “free trade” is undermining our national security by crushing our industrial manufacturing base and crippling our national finances.

Government spending as a percentage of our economy is excessively large mostly because our economy has not really grown the way it should because of so-called “free trade.” Free trade has not been free for American citizens. Our public and personal debts have exploded. Our wages have not grown as quickly as our cost of living. Our jobs are disappearing or have already disappeared.

Government debt to enrich international corporations instead of improving the lives of American citizens is nearly criminal. Why does Medicare money get paid to drug companies without bargaining down the price of drugs? Corporate power is the only answer.

Why do Americans pay twice as much for medical care as in any other industrialized nation, but have worse results? Why are medical costs exploding here at the same time as millions of citizens are being kicked out of their health insurance plans? Why are our companies paying the cost of health insurance while all our foreign competitors get subsidized by government payment of health care costs? The answers are corporate power.

The real reformers of the Tea Party movement need to look at corporate power instead of government as the villains threatening the future of America. The Republican Right, corporatists and Fox News are threatening your civil liberties and Constitutional Rights, not the ACLU, Obama or the Democratic Party. The Republican Right, corporatists and Fox News are those who support the “national security state,” torture, jailing citizens without trial, wiretapping without court orders, etc.

International corporate interests have much more control over the lives of the average American citizens than our government does. When the government gets captured by these corporations, as it did under George W. Bush and his allies who are still in office, the American public gets hammered!

You are not ignorant or out of touch with reality just because you watch Fox News or listen to right-wing talk radio, but prolonged exposure will eventually get you there. Watching only Fox News will likely stop reform supporters of the Tea Party movement from realizing that they have much more in common with progressives than they ever knew. The real reformers in the Tea Party movement and progressives should unite in a Progressive Tea Party movement. Fox News and the Republican Right corporatists should not control or define the Tea Party. Both progressives and the real reform elements in Tea Party movement should reach out to each other and make common cause on many issues.

It is time for a Progressive Tea Party movement.

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-movement57149

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment

It’s Time for a Progressive Tea Party Movement

by: Stephen Crockett, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Wednesday 24 February 2010

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-
movement57149

Page 2 of 3

Fox News seems designed to act as a financial and political backer of Republican Right corporatist politicians. They spin everything to defeat real reforms and undermine real reformers.

Labor unions act as a check and balance on corporate power. Fox News and the Republican Right corporatists demonize them at every opportunity. Union leaders are always elected by the membership. They are the only truly democratically elected populist element in our economic system. The Fox News crowd calls these elected leaders “union bosses.” You do not get to elect your “boss.” Try suggesting free elections for all the management positions at your place of employment and you will probably be joining the ranks of the unemployed. Corporations are basically organized in a top-down dictatorial manner. It is their nature and mindset to be dictatorial with very, very few exceptions.

Suing corporations acts as a check and balance to corporate power. Fox News and the Republican Right corporatists are trying to eliminate the effectiveness of this check and balance under the disguise of “tort reform.”

Campaign finance laws slightly reduced the ability of corporations to buy elections, smear reformers and defeat reforms. While in power, the Republican Right corporatists packed all our federal courts with corporatists. This is why the Republican Right corporatists on the Supreme Court recently overturned over 60 years of established law to give corporations unlimited power to spend shareholders’ money to advance their corporatist political goals.

Most corporations are not loyal American citizens as the recent Supreme Court ruling implies. Almost all the large corporations operating in America are international in nature. International corporations should not be controlling the American economy, the American political system or the American government. American citizens should be. No matter what the Supreme Court says, international corporations are neither people nor American citizens.

The percentage of the American economy going toward debt is growing rapidly. Why? The answer is corporate power and corporatist government policy. So-called “free trade” has failed the American public while enriching the corporatists. Tax revenue has gone into the toilet because we do not tax imports and tens of millions of former taxpayers have lost their jobs. Without good-paying jobs, these workers/taxpayers are not paying nearly as much in taxes.

Tax cuts for over 30 years have been focused on enriching the corporatists and screwing the middle classes. The Fox News and the Republican Right corporatists want you to place the blame on the poor for government debt. This is pure nonsense. Unfair tax cuts are the real villains along with corporatist “free trade” policies. Additionally, the corporatists start unnecessary wars financed by public debt that enrich the international corporations while killing and maiming American soldiers.

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

It’s Time for a Progressive Tea Party Movement

by: Stephen Crockett, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Wednesday 24 February 2010

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-
movement57149

Page 3 of 3

So-called “free trade” is undermining our national security by crushing our industrial manufacturing base and crippling our national finances.

Government spending as a percentage of our economy is excessively large mostly because our economy has not really grown the way it should because of so-called “free trade.” Free trade has not been free for American citizens. Our public and personal debts have exploded. Our wages have not grown as quickly as our cost of living. Our jobs are disappearing or have already disappeared.

Government debt to enrich international corporations instead of improving the lives of American citizens is nearly criminal. Why does Medicare money get paid to drug companies without bargaining down the price of drugs? Corporate power is the only answer.

Why do Americans pay twice as much for medical care as in any other industrialized nation, but have worse results? Why are medical costs exploding here at the same time as millions of citizens are being kicked out of their health insurance plans? Why are our companies paying the cost of health insurance while all our foreign competitors get subsidized by government payment of health care costs? The answers are corporate power.

The real reformers of the Tea Party movement need to look at corporate power instead of government as the villains threatening the future of America. The Republican Right, corporatists and Fox News are threatening your civil liberties and Constitutional Rights, not the ACLU, Obama or the Democratic Party. The Republican Right, corporatists and Fox News are those who support the “national security state,” torture, jailing citizens without trial, wiretapping without court orders, etc.

International corporate interests have much more control over the lives of the average American citizens than our government does. When the government gets captured by these corporations, as it did under George W. Bush and his allies who are still in office, the American public gets hammered!

You are not ignorant or out of touch with reality just because you watch Fox News or listen to right-wing talk radio, but prolonged exposure will eventually get you there. Watching only Fox News will likely stop reform supporters of the Tea Party movement from realizing that they have much more in common with progressives than they ever knew. The real reformers in the Tea Party movement and progressives should unite in a Progressive Tea Party movement. Fox News and the Republican Right corporatists should not control or define the Tea Party. Both progressives and the real reform elements in Tea Party movement should reach out to each other and make common cause on many issues.

It is time for a Progressive Tea Party movement.

http://www.truthout.org/its-time-a-progressive-tea-party-movement57149

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By Go Right Young Man, February 24, 2010 at 6:04 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, - “The polemic of Us and Them is a function I believe of the boiling politics the Republicans play.  The Us for me is the American People.  The Them is the Corportocracy that gets the favor of the Republicans.”

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I understand.  You are a human being living in a tribal society.  You empathize passionately with your tribe.  Let us simply not take all context out in the process.  Let us not forget that almost every board of every corporation in the U.S. is made up of both democrats and republicans.  Let us not forget that there are no more billionaires in your tribe than The Others.

Let us not pretend half(D) the nation’s human beings are made up of good people and the other full half(R) the bad.  That’s not real.  It’s not Truth.

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By Shenonymous, February 24, 2010 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

I’ve listened to a few ultra left editorial tv shows and I’ve listened to the ultra
right.  Neither are a laughing matter and both are equally nasty, I’ve said as
much, so I don’t want to debate the differences as I have never seen anything
on the left like what I witnessed from the CPAC rabid crowd.  And they
definitely spouted lies.  I heard them from their mouths.  What I’ve heard from
the Ultra Leftists is mainly defensive retaliation in tone but from the Right it is
excessively offensive assaults.  I remember Rightists carrying guns to townhall
meetings where democrats were trying to answer questions about the health
care reform business.  I thought that was ghastly.  Historically though none of
this miserable behavior is new.  The Romans assassinated opponents regularly,
as happened in many other cultures and eras.  The French Revolution was
particularly very deadly and murderous on both sides.  It seems we just have to
work our way through the ugliness let the casualties fall where they may.

I am not disappointed that you cannot converse ideologic and party politics.  I
didn’t really expect you would.  I see that you see no difference.  But I definitely
do in the basic tenets of each political party.  I spelled them out rather clearly if
succinctly.  I sincerely believe you have an imperialist view as do most
Republicans.  I am not talking about politicians and their behavior.  I am talking
about what each party represents.  We who choose a party do so based on
those principles.  You have not said one thing that would directly help the
ordinary American who cannot afford to have a decent life.  The Republicans
spout a lot but do not offer viable solutions that does not include making the
wealthy wealthier.  I myself have a decent life having and having had an
excellent career in academia for decades.  I have excellent health benefits as
well retirement plan.  I feel I worked hard for both and deserve both and also
given that the pay scale for academics is not the greatest and especially
compared to other professionals.  It has the virtue of being steady.  Of course I
could have changed my profession for a better paying one, but I happen to love
education and teaching and think it is the finest profession a human can be
involved in.  It is the conveyor of all human knowledge and is the only means to
provide access to higher human thought and a means for ordinary people to be
able to make rational comparisons and hence decisions that affect their life. 
When of course they get the truth from the media and the politicians. Of
course there are those savants who are autodidacts but they are the rare
exception. 

The polemic of Us and Them is a function I believe of the boiling politics the
Republicans play.  The Us for me is the American People.  The Them is the
Corportocracy that gets the favor of the Republicans.  I see that there are those
on both sides who blur the difference between the two parties, but I do not.  I
clearly see them as different.  A political party is not a party of politicians it is a
party for the people with a particular belief in a particular ideology and the
philosophy of a party that they feel brings them well-being.  The argument
against minimum wage is paltry at best.  Of course there is the argument that
the more wages ordinary Americans make the worse off they will be. Now that
is definitely LOL.  It defies common sense.

I have appreciated the civility we each maintained in this discussion for our
respective points of view.

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By Go Right Young Man, February 24, 2010 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous,

I hate to disappoint.  I know you’re looking to have a conversation on ideology and party politics, however, I truly hold no desire to defend things which I’m not a part of.

I will say again there is absolutely no difference in motivations between the democrats and republicans.  Not in terms of dirty politics, rhetoric, vitriol or tactics.  In simplistic terms each represent roughly half the voting public and all that that implies.  To suggest that one side is more caring than another is pure illusion. And, as far as I am concerned, I have yet to find even one regular on this Web site who can hold their head up in regards to fairness to others who disagree.  What “Truth” is to one is simply not to another. 

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I sincerely believe you make a mistake in seeing “Those Other People” as liars.  I believe it likely that the “lies” you write of are merely differences in both perceptions and opinion.  I find absolutely no difference in the “Lies” coming from democrats. 

Red meat is red no matter who throws it to the crowd.  Hannity or Olbermann.  Limbaugh or Maher.  Biden or Palin.  Boehner or Pelosi.  Need I say more?

As far as the Tea Party crowd I will say this.  We have not seen acts of violence and unlawfulness (other than the harm that has come from the so-called, “Left” against protesters).  The same cannot be said of the anti-Bush/Republican protests of the recent past.  The egg throwing on inauguration day or the chants of death to Bush and Cheney was rampant. Property destruction and arrests common.  <—This must make you dangerous, close-minded, inclusive and, well, criminal by association.(?)

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An example of differences in opinion in which you ascribe to “Your People” being kinder and more caring whereas “Those other people” are heartless and mean:  Raising the minimum wage puts more money into the hands of those at the lowest rung of the pay scale.  You believe that a good thing and it makes you feel good about yourself and Your People.  But it also has the very real effect of putting more of those same people out of work entirely.  Republicans argue that raising the minimum wage is cruel to those most need of employment.  They will argue that the effects are not worth the raise for all.  Both sides passionately believe in their own context.  In the Rightness of their positions. - No I do not wish a debate on the minimum wage—LOL

How did we go from health-care to the subject of Us and Them? LOL

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By MarthaA, February 24, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

Here is another satire comedian on the history of the last 100 years.  Could it be the cause of Rupert Murdoch and his conservative, uneducated, alcoholic, main man Glenn Beck and his other lesser toadies to be pushing the Republican’s Tea Party demagoguery to regain Republican power? 

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/32.html


Robert Newman gets to grips with the wars and politics of the last hundred years - but rather than adhering to the history we were fed at school, he places oil center stage as the cause of all commotion.

This innovative history program is based around Robert Newman’s stand-up act and supported by resourceful archive sequences and stills with satirical impersonations of historical figures from Mayan priests to Archduke Ferdinand.

Quirky details such as a bicycle powered street lamp on the stage brings home the pertinent question of just how we are going to survive when the world’s oil supplies are finally exhausted.

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