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Posted on May 22, 2011
White House / Pete Souza

President Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu converse near the Oval Office during a visit by the Israeli prime minister last week.

By Barry Lando

Editor’s note: Former “60 Minutes” producer Barry Lando imagines what the president might have said to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

My fellow Americans, I could say it is an honor to speak again before the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. I could also dish out the usual rhetoric you expect from American political leaders of both parties—an emotional, iron-clad guarantee to maintain America’s undying support for Israel, the embattled outpost of democracy, and so on and on and on, to great applause.

But, as befits a conversation among longtime friends, I’d rather be frank. 

As we all know, the reason I’m here is because you are the most powerful lobby in Washington. The mightiest senators and House members live in terror of your disapproval, and your support will be a key factor in the coming presidential elections.

That power has brought you innumerable victories. Though Israel is one of the smallest nations, altogether it has received more foreign aid from the United States than any other country since World War II. Though we condemn Iran’s nuclear program, we still officially ignore the fact that Israel has had the bomb for more than 40 years.

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Our leaders have gone along with the fiction that Israel is somehow a key strategic asset for the U.S. in the Middle East, when, in fact, the opposite is true. Our unwavering support of Israel has won us the hostility of much of the Muslim world.

But that’s the past. Today, the U.S. and Israel face huge new challenges in the Middle East. And I have decided that provoking your disapproval is a risk I must take, for the sake of America as well as Israel.

We can no longer afford to confuse supporting the state of Israel with supporting the policies of the leaders who control the Israeli government at a particular time. The interests of the two are not necessarily the same—particularly when, in my view and the view of many Israelis, those policies undermine the long-term security of Israel.

Indeed, within the American Jewish community itself there are new lobbying groups, such as J Street, that are highly critical of Israel’s current leaders and make it clear that AIPAC may not represent the consensus of American Jews.

As I have said, the government of Israel can no longer put off serious negotiations with the Palestinians. Population growth and the current uprisings sweeping the region are certain to work against Israel’s long-run security.

Unfortunately, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made it more than clear that his government has no real interest in taking the steps needed to convince the Palestinians that negotiations would be worth their while. This is not just me saying this. The prime minister’s political opponents and important Israeli commentators are saying it as well.

Therefore, as president of the United States—of all Americans—I am today announcing a change in policy toward the Middle East. I have decided that we will no longer stand in the way of a United Nations resolution next September to recognize the existence of a Palestinian state. I realize that resolution will not actually create a state—but it may be the best way to start the process.

I am also calling once again on the government of Israel to cease the construction of illegal settlements in the occupied West Bank. I made that same request not long after I became president but I backed down when Prime Minister Netanyahu refused. I was wrong to back down. It will not happen again. 

The Israeli government charges that Hamas is a terrorist organization. It is, and we have labeled it as such. I call upon Hamas to reconsider its aims if it truly wants to achieve a settlement with Israel.

On the other hand, other violent groups once labeled terrorist organizations—such as the Irish Republican Army—changed their tactics amid the lure of peace negotiations. Indeed, at one time in their careers two of Israel’s most renowned leaders—Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir—were condemned as terrorists.

I realize this new policy may well subject me to a barrage of the most virulent political attacks—from right-wing TV talk shows to lurid ads filling our media to congressional resolutions. It will be charged that all along I—Barack Hussein Obama—have been secretly plotting with radical Islam to destroy Israel—and after Israel, the United States. 

They will say, of course, that I am anti-Semitic—a charge that is leveled these days against any prominent individual who criticizes the current conservative government of Israel. An irony, since—as I’ve said—some of the strongest attacks on Israel’s current policies come from Israeli Jewish commentators and politicians themselves.

I understand the emotional storm that is roiling this audience right now—I can hear the boos and catcalls. I can feel your enormous upset. But I ask you, members of AIPAC, before you and your allies start an attack against me in the media and in the Congress and in communities across the country, by unleashing such a massive campaign isn’t there a danger you would demonstrate to the American people exactly the point I have been making in this speech? That is, the extent to which your lobby has distorted the workings of our democratic system.

In the end, your attempt to defeat my desire to pursue a policy that is in the interests of all Americans—as well as the state of Israel—could lead to your own downfall.

Think about it. And thanks for letting me talk.

Barry M. Lando spent 25 years as an award-winning investigative producer with “60 Minutes.” He has produced numerous articles, a documentary and a book, “Web of Deceit,” about Iraq. Lando is finishing a novel, “The Watchman’s File.”


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This is the worst case of plbuicity for plbuicity sake I have ever seen.  Joe isn’t even qualified, the TV station just gave an important job to someone whos unqualified instead of picking someone who actually wants to have a career in reporting.  Just think if you were passed over for a job just cause Britney Spears wanted the job you would be pissed.  heck, I would be pissed for you, now I’m just pissed

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By LocalHero, July 19, 2011 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

I don’t know why all of you try to talk sense to GRYM. Don’t you realize you’re talking to a fellow who actually believes (get this) that “God” gave that land to the Jewish people. That’s right. As ludicrous as it sounds to sane people, he believes his foreign policy is endorsed and sanctioned by “God.”

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By Night-Gaunt, May 27, 2011 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

You must remember that the hard line Zionists want a one state solution. Only Israel ruled by Jews, nothing else. A few will still tolerate the Arabs that live there but for how long?

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By Robert, May 27, 2011 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment

‘The smallest minds and cowardliest hearts’: Is Congress clapping for apartheid?

Stephen M. Walt

May 25, 2011

“Mark Twain once described members of Congress as having “the smallest minds and the selfishest souls and the cowardliest hearts that God makes.” Twain’s mordant assessment provides a parsimonious explanation for the predictably rapturous reception that Bibi Netanyahu received there yesterday. All one can say about the vast majority of our courageous elected officials is that they aren’t genuine friends of Israel, because every burst of applause was another nail in the coffin of the Zionist dream. 

Why? Because Netanyahu’s central message yesterday was an emphatic rejection of a genuine two-state solution. While professing to be willing to make major sacrifices for the sake of peace, his lengthy list of preconditions made it abundantly clear that<i> he thinks Israel is entitled to rule the Palestinian population in perpetuity-even when it becomes numerically larger than Israel’s Jewish citizens—and that the United States should back this effort no matter what. And even though the only alternatives to a two-state solution are 1) further ethnic cleansing, 2) a binational, one-state democracy, or 3) permanent apartheid, Congress is just fine with that.

<i>It would be both tiresome and fruitless to fisk Netanyahu’s speech in its entirety, but you can find intelligent commentary on it here, here, here, and here. And don’t miss Lara Friedman’s hilarious annotated version here. Among his various applause lines, my personal favorite was the claim that Israel has to keep its settlements because 650,000 people (i.e., about 10 percent of Israel’s population) now live in them. (It’s not entirely clear where Netanyahu got that number, as most estimates of the settler population put it “only” half a million or so.)

The key point, however, is that the settlements didn’t sprout spontaneously, and the settlers themselves didn’t just show up by accident. On the contrary, the vast majority of the settlers are there because every Israeli government since 1967 has actively promoted and subsidized the colonization of the West Bank, even though this policy is contrary to international law and at odds with measures such as U.N. Security Council Resolution 242. Not only does 242 say that Israel should withdraw from territories occupied in the Six Day War (the French version of the official text says “the territories”) but it begins by emphasizing “the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force.” The United States played a key role in drafting the resolution, and then effectively ignored its implications for the next forty years.

Some people still believe that settlement building was just a wacky project undertaken and backed primarily by religious extremists and by rightwing parties like Likud. In fact, colonization of the West Bank began under the Labor-led governments in the 1960s and 1970s, and governments of all stripes have backed it without exception. Read Gershom Gorenberg’s Accidental Empire, Idith Zertal and Akiva Eldar’s Lords of the Land, or Shlomo Gazit’s Trapped Fools, and you will learn that settlement building was a deliberate policy designed to “create facts,” so that future prime ministers like Netanyahu could claim it was simply impossible for Israel to withdraw.  And the location of key settlement blocs like Ariel and Ma’ale Adumim were chosen to secure Israeli control over key aquifers and make it difficult-to-impossible to create a viable Palestinian state.

As I said in my previous post, Israel faces a choice—a two-state solution or apartheid—and it is now crystal-clear which one Netanyahu has chosen.

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Click on link for the rest:

http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/05/25/the_smallest_minds_and_cowardliest_hearts_is_congress_clapping_for_apartheid

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By Anarcissie, May 27, 2011 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

GRYM—I am talking about any people who live in Israel/Palestine now, not the Byzantines or the Phoenicians.  I am surprised at encountering so much difficulty in communicating this simple concept to you.

In regard to your last question, there are innumerable cases in history of victorious powers unilaterally giving up conquered territories for a variety of reasons, a very common one being that maintaining possession of the territory was seen as not worth the expense of defending it.  I don’t see how your question applies to Israel/Palestine, however, because obviously whatever the outcome of the present untenable situation is, other than mutual annihilation, it will be the result of some kind of deal.

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By Robert, May 26, 2011 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

May 26, 2011

Netanyahu on the Hill
Bibi and the Yo-Yos


By URI AVNERY


It was all rather disgusting.

There they were, the members of the highest legislative bodies of the world’s only superpower, flying up and down like so many yo-yos, applauding wildly, every few minutes or seconds, the most outrageous lies and distortions of Binyamin Netanyahu.

It was worse than the Syrian parliament during a speech by Bashar Assad, where anyone not applauding could find himself in prison. Or Stalin’s Supreme Soviet, when showing less than sufficient respect could have meant death.

What the American Senators and Congressmen feared was a fate worse than death. Anyone remaining seated or not applauding wildly enough could have been caught on camera – and that amounts to political suicide. It was enough for one single congressman to rise and applaud, and all the others had to follow suit. Who would dare not to?

The sight of these hundreds of parliamentarians jumping up and clapping their hands, again and again and again and again, with the Leader graciously acknowledging with a movement of his hand, was reminiscent of other regimes. Only this time it was not the local dictator who compelled this adulation, but a foreign one.

The most depressing part of it was that there was not a single lawmaker – Republican or Democrat – who dared to resist. When I was a 9 year old boy in Germany, I dared to leave my right arm hanging by my side when all my schoolmates raised theirs in the Nazi salute and sang Hitler’s anthem. Is there no one in Washington DC who has that simple courage? Is it really Washington IOT – Israel Occupied Territory – as the anti-Semites assert?

Many years ago I visited the Senate hall and was introduced to the leading Senators of the time. I was profoundly shocked. After being brought up in deep respect for the Senate of the United States, the country of Jefferson and Lincoln, I was faced with a bunch of pompous asses, many of them nincompoops who had not the slightest idea what they were talking about. I was told that it was their assistants who really understood matters.

* * *

SO WHAT did the great man say to this august body?

It was a finely crafted speech, using all the standard tricks of the trade – the dramatic pause, the raised finger, the little witticisms, the sentences repeated for effect. Not a great orator, by any means, no Winston Churchill, but good enough for this audience and this occasion.

But the message could be summed up in one word: No.

After their disastrous debacle in 1967, the leaders of the Arab world met in Khartoum and adopted the famous Three No’s: NO recognition of Israel, No [] negotiation with Israel, NO peace with Israel. It was just what the Israeli leadership wanted. They could go happily about their business of entrenching the occupation and building settlements.

Now Netanyahu is having his Khartoum. NO return to the 1967 borders. NO Palestinian capital in East Jerusalem. NO to even a symbolic return of some refugees. NO military withdrawal from the Jordan River - meaning that the future Palestinian state would be completely surrounded by the Israeli armed forces. NO negotiation with a Palestinian government “supported” by Hamas, even if there are no Hamas members in the government itself. And so on – NO. NO. NO.

The aim is clearly to make sure that no Palestinian leader could even dream of entering negotiations, even in the unlikely event that he were ready to meet yet another condition: to recognize Israel as “the nation-state of the Jewish people” – which includes the dozens of Jewish Senators and Congressmen who were the first to jump up and down, up and down, like so many marionettes.”

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Click on for the “rest of the story” from Uri Avnery:

http://www.counterpunch.org/avnery05262011.html

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By PatrickHenry, May 26, 2011 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

Again your twisted history needs correction,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_West_Bank_and_East_Jerusalem_by_Jordan

It was Jordan doing the damage to the thousands 35 temples and various other Jewish landmarks.  The Egyptians really didn’t have a part in it.

The Egyptians did however help set up a Palestinian government which you claimed they didn’t.

Get a book and actually read it instead of looking at the pictures.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 26, 2011 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,, - “In the case of Israel/Palestine, obviously we are talking not about people who have personally ‘passed through’ but who have been born there generally into families for which the area was a permanent home, often for generations.”

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Then, as I wrote prior, we’re actually talking about the historic Roman, Byzantine, *Arab, Jew, Christian and Ottoman populations in the West Bank and Israel. - Which of these generations of cultures are Palestinian?

*It is true that contemporary “Palestinians” from the West Bank and Israel find their roots in Egypt and Jordan.

It is also true that when Jerusalem was controlled by Egypt, and later Jordan, the city’s holiest sites were closed to all but Muslims.  Today those sites are open to all.

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I have another question.  Has there ever been a time, in all of human history, that a nation has taken ground as a result of battle (in Israel’s case two defensive battles) and then ceded ground without conditional terms?

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By JDmysticDJ, May 26, 2011 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

GRYMie writes:

“Drop the hate.  It blinds your mind.”

I can’t speak for Robert, or anyone other than myself, but I have to say, what’s not to hate? Christians frequently say, “Love the sinner, hate the sin,” but I’m not that noble. I hate serial killers, but more specifically, I hate what serial killers do, coming from a liberal background, I understand that serial killers are pathologically deranged and that wreaking vengeance on them accomplishes nothing, but I do find them to be loathsome, and I feel no sorrow when their lives are extinguished. So, I’m conflicted on this issue of hating. Does hating serial killers make me blind? Does hating what is hateful make me blind? Does hating GRYMie and his ilk make me blind to their many virtues [?] maybe so, because I can’t see any virtue at all in GRYMie and his ilk. When Robert, and others, present factual evidence regarding Israeli Government atrocities, GRYMie writes that presenting this evidence is racist, there seems to be a myopia evident here, and a condemnation bearing a resemblance to hate. One might logically deduce that there is hypocrisy evident here.

Intuitively speaking, it appears to me that GRYMie and his ilk are ideologically opposed to the concepts of peace and justice. Not because they actually oppose those concepts, but because they associate these concepts with the much hated Left. If the Left espouses those concepts, then the Right must automatically oppose those concepts out of hatred for the Left and all that the Left espouses.


In conclusion, I’ll comment about what occurred yesterday. As our President was off on a diplomatic PR mission, the Prime Minister of Israel assumed the Presidents place at the podium of Congress. Much to the approval of the U.S. Congress, the Prime Minister of Israel proceeded to reject every single aspiration of the Palestinian people: No recognition of, or negotiation with the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people, complete control of all of Jerusalem, surrounding of the West Bank with Israeli Military forces, a continuing blockade of Gaza, no cessation in the expropriation of Palestinian property and territory, and on and on… in short, no sovereignty for a Palestinian State.

There was only one dissenting voice in the Halls of Congress yesterday, that voice came from the gallery, and that voice was quickly silenced by AIPAC vigilantes, thugs, to be perfectly frank. As the Prime minister of Israel commented that only in countries like Israel and the U.S, is such dissention allowed, the dissenter was being hauled off to jail. Granted, the dissenter was only ruffed up, and not subject to persecution and torture, persecution and torture in this case would have been subject to public consumption, therefore to be avoided. Israel is to be commended for only maiming and disabling non-violent protestors in Israel, the deaths are relatively few and not evident unless those deaths are caused by military incursions and violations of international law.

Due to Israeli intransigence, I see dark days ahead. There are rumblings about a third intifada and non-violent action to be taken by Palestinians and their supporters. Based on past history, I’ll proffer that the non-violence will not be met with non-violence, and that the non-violence will escalate to violence from a few, and that violence will lead to greater violence.


“Mostly, I’m tired of people
being ugly to each other.

 
           
I’m tired of all the pain
I feel and hear in the world…

 
           
...every day.

 
           
There’s too much of it.

 
           
It’s like pieces of glass
in my head…

 
           
...all the time.

 
           
Can you understand?”


Dialogue from “The Green Mile.”

 

Yes I hate, I’d rather hate than become clinically depressed, or become callous and indifferent to the danger and the suffering.

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By Anarcissie, May 26, 2011 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, May 25 at 11:30 am:

‘... I lived in Iran for nearly eight years.  Can we legitimately refer to all who happen to pass through Iran as Persians?  Most will think that silly.  Particularly Iranians. ...’

In the case of Israel/Palestine, obviously we are talking not about people who have personally ‘passed through’ but who have been born there generally into families for which the area was a permanent home, often for generations.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

Robert,

You’re going to insist the map you shared is that of the recognized state of Palestine? - Interesting.

Drop the hate.  It blinds your mind.

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By Robert, May 25, 2011 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

By Go Right Young Man, May 25 at 11:23 am

“Robert,

My beloved Israel?  My beloved Moshe Dayan?  You appear to believe that all who view the world without your particular brand of hate and racism must, necessarily, be a hated Jew.

Of course it can be said that your beloved bin Laden once believed exactly as you do today.

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Perhaps you didn’t fully grasp what you were looking at in the map you shared.  That map represents proposed demarcation lines.  Not the borders of a state of Palestine.

Put away your vile racism, Robert.  It blinds your mind.”

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GRYM...when you start to practice what you are attempting to preach regarding “racism”, then may be, just may be, your standing & reputation on TD may improve a tiny bit.

Your zionist racism is scattered like chicken litter on many of TD’s threads. Your abscessed “mind” is full of hatred & racism regarding…Iranians, Arabs, Moslems, Palestinians…etc…

And don’t attempt to preach to me about racism…many of my posts on TD are written by Jews who are on the side of peace, justice, fairness, truth, human rights, international law, humanity regarding the Palestinian/Israeli conflict; they are NOT on the side of your racist zionism & Israel’s Apartheid policies and its IDF killers.

BTW, you did not expect anybody to post a map of Palestine. I am sure it was a painful surprise to your deflated ego & grim news too…and to top it off, a map of Palestine signed by Moshe Dayan…eh!!!

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By EmileZ, May 25, 2011 at 3:13 pm Link to this comment

Dr. Mustafa Barghouti, secretary general of the Palestinian National Initiative. “Netanyahu yesterday blocked every possibility for negotiations for a two-state solution,” Barghouti says. “Practically, he took away any possibility for peaceful resolution, because he wanted to impose unilaterally the outcome on every issue… He wants us to live as slaves in a system of apartheid and segregation.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/5/25/netanyahus_speech_to_congress_dashes_palestinian

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By Night-Gaunt, May 25, 2011 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm#From Roman to Ottoman Rule

In 1920, Britain received a provisional mandate over Palestine, which would extend west and east of the River Jordan. The area of the mandate (see map at right) given to Britain at the San Remo conference was much larger than historic Palestine as envisaged by the Zionists, who had sought an eastern border to the West of Amman.  The mandate, based on the Balfour declaration, was formalized in 1922.  The British were to help the Jews build a national home and promote the creation of self-governing institutions. The mandate provided for an agency, later called “The Jewish Agency for Palestine,” that would represent Jewish interests in Palestine to the British and to promote Jewish immigration. A Jewish agency was created only in 1929, delayed by the desire to create a body that represented both Zionist and non-Zionist Jews. The Jewish agency in Palestine became in many respects the de-facto government of the Jewish Yishuv (community).

Though this and other items done by the major powers after the “Great War” was for their own respective empires more than for the local inhabitants.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 11:37 am Link to this comment

WikiWiZ,

I beg you learn to listen past your nose.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

You offered a commendable rationalization, however, it doesn’t work if you actually use those rationalizations to avoid answering a couple of direct questions.

I lived in Iran for nearly eight years.  Can we legitimately refer to all who happen to pass through Iran as Persians?  Most will think that silly.  Particularly Iranians.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Robert,

My beloved Israel?  My beloved Moshe Dayan?  You appear to believe that all who view the world without your particular brand of hate and racism must, necessarily, be a hated Jew.

Of course it can be said that your beloved bin Laden once believed exactly as you do today.

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Perhaps you didn’t fully grasp what you were looking at in the map you shared.  That map represents proposed demarcation lines.  Not the borders of a state of Palestine.

Put away your vile racism, Robert.  It blinds your mind.

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By psickmind fraud, May 25, 2011 at 10:46 am Link to this comment

I imagine Barry Lando and some of the commenters here, will, if they pay attention, see people in unfamiliar cars keeping an eye on them. 

I do believe that Israel is the only country that we give all their yearly aid in a lump sum, most countries get there’s in 3-4 payments.  We then require that Israel invest some of it in US government paper, so we can pay them interest on our money.  And of course, we’ve vetoed about 45 UN Security Council resolutions on Israel.  But look at the money that the likes of Biden and McConnell have gotten from AIPAC.

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By JDmysticDJ, May 25, 2011 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie did an excellent job of pointing out that GRYMie’s argument is specious. GRYMie denies that he wrote what he wrote, while going on at length to prove that what he denies he wrote is indeed factual.

Palestine is a geographic area long inhabited by people who refer to themselves as Palestinians. I suppose that using GRYMie’s logic; Americans do not exist, and have never existed. Also according to GRYMie’s logic, Judea and Samaria were not legitimate.

GRYMie says that Israel has historic ties to the geographic area known as Palestine, implying that Israel has a right to occupy that land. If that’s so, then the Delaware have a right to take possession of Manhattan, etc. etc. ad nauseum. This is a stupid kind logic, and I prefer to accept the declarations of the United Nations General Assembly and the world community regarding a legitimate Palestinian State.

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By Robert, May 25, 2011 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

“Anarcissie,

Would be able to direct us toward an historical map of the Palestinian state in Judea or Samaria prior to 1967?”


If any poster here would like to direct us to a map of Palestine, or show us a “governable” Palestinian nation in the West Bank or Israel, we could all benefit from that, so-called, wisdom.”

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GRYM...Your beloved Moshe Dayan signed this map of Palestine…


Click on link to view map of Palestine (from 1944 survey)...signed by Moshe Dayan’s:

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PALESTINE
NORTH SHEET

Scale 1:250,000

Detail Map Of Palestine Before al-Nakba (Catastrophe)/ Survey of Palestine 1944


{Note: The upper left corner of the map was signed by Moshe Dayan.}


http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story582.html

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By Anarcissie, May 25, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

GRYM—If a group of people with reasonably identifiable characteristics declare they are the Palestinians—or they are the Israelis, or whatever—then that is what they are.  The State of Israel, for example, does not seem to have any trouble defining these categories, and their constituents can name themselves as they please.

But if there really is a problem about defining the categories, then we don’t have the two-nations problem, and the State of Israel should make haste to ensure all its inhabitants have full civil rights and legal and political equality in one, big, happy, secular Israel-Palestine.  In fact that’s the ‘one-state solution’.

Some people keep telling me this won’t work, however.  They are fans of the ‘two-state solution’. 

Generally, I’d say the fewer states the better, but I defer to the preferences of the inhabitants.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 7:34 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

Would be able to direct us toward an historical map of the Palestinian state in Judea or Samaria prior to 1967?

If pressed would you be able to direct us toward references of the “Palestinian Homeland” in Israel or the West Bank prior to 1967?

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By Anarcissie, May 25, 2011 at 6:56 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ—one of the problems with propaganda is that many of its targets, especially the younger or more simple-minded ones, start to think that it’s a valid and complete picture of things.  Then when they encounter facts, experiences and arguments which contradict the propaganda, they undergo a crisis (‘cognitive dissonance’) and may come out on the other side.  I think this is the explanation for much of the animosity towards the Israeli side of the Israel-Palestine issues on campuses, so at variance with the official line of American politicians and mainstream media.

In regard to which, I am surprised to see the ‘Palestinians don’t exist’ canard, at once contrafactual and illogical, still being circulated.  I thought that one had been long since laid to rest after its short and not very glorious career.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 25, 2011 at 6:37 am Link to this comment

“GRYM would like us to believe that the inhabitants of Palestine never existed, that Palestinians never had towns and cities, never had places of worship, that they did not participate in their governance, that they did not own property, and that they did not engage in commerce.”

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Any rational reading of what I’ve written makes clear that I implied nothing of the kind.  For the less educated reader I will try again. 

The mythical “Palestinian state” in Judea and Samaria had never existed.

The common term “Palestinian homeland” is a particularly loaded and historically false phrase. “Palestine” was the name of a multi-ethnic Roman, Byzantine, Arab, and Ottoman province, not a people. The name itself reflects Rome’s attempt to alter historical reality with language. After the destruction of Israel as a political entity and the scattering of its people in the 2nd century AD, the Romans renamed the territory “Palestine” after the Philistines, a people that once lived in the region (now known as Jordan) but had been absorbed into other groups for several centuries. Thus the Romans subjected the Jews to a collective damnatio memoriae, the practice of erasing all public mention or record of an enemy to the Roman state — exactly what the Arabs have been trying to do to Israel for the last 60 years by denying its historical ties to the land.

Likewise, just as the Romans named the land after a people that no longer existed, so too calling the current Arab inhabitants “Palestinians” perpetuates a similar historical fraud. What constitutes a people are a shared language, culture, customs, traditions, and history distinct enough to set them apart from others. By these criteria, there is no such thing as “Palestinians.” The average Arab living in Israel or the West Bank is no more significantly distinct from one living in Syria, Jordan, or Egypt than a resident from California is significantly distinct from a resident of Arizona or Nevada. Whatever differences that do exist do not trump the more important similarities, and reflect rather the refusal of surrounding Arab nations to integrate their Arab brothers into their own countries, instead constructing a Palestinian identity based on victimhood, humiliation, and failure.

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Let us be very clear.  There had never talk of, not even the notion of, a “Palestinian” state in the West Bank or Israel prior to the humiliating defeat of the Arabs when Arab nations attempted to destroy Israel in 1967 and again in 1973.

If any poster here would like to direct us to a map of Palestine, or show us a “governable” Palestinian nation in the West Bank or Israel, we could all benefit from that, so-called, wisdom.

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By JDmysticDJ, May 25, 2011 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind

The 900% came from an application based on a $20 purchase then and now. You’re right about the price of gas, but you should have considered the price of automobiles and the price of homes for a better argument. The average cost of homes in 1947 was $6600, and the average cost of an automobile was $1,300. I was a little too quick to accept the application as being correct. Let’s instead figure the rate of inflation to be 3,500%. Israel would still be the single largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid adjusted for inflation, but that is still not the point, is it?

Your contention was that Israel has not been the single largest recipient of U.S. Foreign Aid, and my contention was, and is, that the Marshal Plan could be considered constructive, while aid to Israel could be considered destructive.

Sorry pal, but this little dispute between you and I is in fact pointless in comparison to GRYMie’s contention that Palestinians never existed, and that a conspiracy of Anti-Israeli racists has nefariously taken over College Campus Governance.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 25, 2011 at 4:28 am Link to this comment

Inflation has gone up about 900% since 1947.
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Far more, pal.  I pumped premium gas for .44/gallon in 1973, 26 years after 1947, and premium has gone up 1000% since then.

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By JDmysticDJ, May 25, 2011 at 1:38 am Link to this comment

GRYMie’s contention that there has been a well financed and powerful organization of “Anti-Israeli racists” that deliberately set out to take over student governments on College Campuses is absurd.

GRYMie would like us to believe that the inhabitants of Palestine never existed, that Palestinians never had towns and cities, never had places of worship, that they did not participate in their governance, that they did not own property, and that they did not engage in commerce.

GRYMie is absolutely correct when he writes that, “… political tyranny has relied on fabricated history to legitimize its claims and actions.”

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By Anarcissie, May 24, 2011 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

A specific pro-Israel takeover of student governments sounds like a terrible idea to me, at least from the pro-Israel point of view.

If it fails, it’ll be seen as a rejection, not just of the pro-Israel candidates or parties, but of Israel itself, by the students—an event which will be exploited and blown completely out of proportion by a wide variety of parties and groups.

If it succeeds, it’ll be seen as just another example of AIPAC-ish strongarming, and no doubt charges of improper uses of off-campus money and influence will be made whether there is any evidence for them or not.  This result, too, will be blown out of proportion and exploited.

Even worse, both events may occur in succession.

In any case, it’ll become an issue, which means all sorts of things about Israel/Palestine now taken for granted by most of the public, mostly to the advantage of the status quo, will be thrown up for discussion.  And these discussions will almost certainly descend into the same pointless, boring, tiresome, abusive invective which has characterized them in the past, only instead of merely poisoning academia or the media, they’ll poison the whole country.

All this to frustrate a movement which is not likely to go anywhere or to matter very much, and is in any event one of Israel’s most peripheral troubles.

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By Robert, May 24, 2011 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

PRO-ISRAEL PAC CONTRIBUTIONS TO 2010 CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATES


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Click on link & scroll down to see who from our spineless Senators/US Congress representatives is on his/her knees with his/her head deep into AIPAC & other zionist organization’s feeding troughs...$$$$$$...they grovel before their AIPAC masters:

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2009-2010 Contributions     Career


http://www.wrmea.com/pdf/20110506paccharts.pdf

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By Night-Gaunt, May 24, 2011 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

How do you know they are “anti-Israeli racists”? Can’t one want to protect Israel from its own destructive actions? Isn’t it a good idea not to support a destructive society whether it is Iran or Bharain or Israel?

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By Go Right Young Man, May 24, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

“How are we going to beat back the anti-Israel divestment resolution at Berkeley? We’re going to make certain that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. That is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capitol. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.”

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Excellent.  Use the very tactics and political procedures which left-leaning Anti-Israeli racists employ on America’s university campuses.  Absolutely brilliant!

As the history of communism and fascism both illustrate, modern political tyranny has relied on fabricated history to legitimize its claims and actions, and such history in turn relies on the debasement of language.  Nowhere is this axiom more evident than in the conflict between Israel and the Arabs — so much so that, as Obama’s recent remarks about Israel show, the false history and its false vocabulary are now taken for reality and made the basis of policy.

Example: In 1967 no one talked about “Palestinians” as a distinct people deserving a homeland.  The Jordanians certainly didn’t create a Palestinian state when they controlled the West Bank.  The notion of a “Palestinian state” arose after the Arab defeats in the 1967 Six Day War and the 1973 Yom Kippur War.  Once those debacles made it clear the Arabs could not destroy Israel by force, the tactic shifted to making the issue one of national self-determination as a way of chipping away at Israel’s territorial integrity and international support.

Any political or educational venue which brings to the fore a coherent and fact based understanding of the Arab/Israeli conflict is always welcomed.

Yes, it’s brilliant!

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That would be true if the US President was Noam Chomsky. I’ve witnessed America during my exchange program, and it’s a great country, wealthy one. But how could Americans be so powerless before Israel’s leadership? How could a very tiny country dictate you and control your government and president? C’mon guys, you very very need a revolution. Aren’t you ashamed of Egyptians? Or are you too much eating so that you always feel sleepy? Wake up my fellow AMericans!!!! A large part of human progress is in you hands so you better wake up, you losers!!!!

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By Robert, May 24, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

Obama and the Israel Lobby

By Glenn Greenwald

“May 23, 2011 “Salon”— This week’s hysterical, reality-deprived reaction to President Obama’s pronouncements on the Israel/Palestine conflict genuinely provoked laughter on several occasions.  That happened when I thought of the intense controversy triggered by publication of Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer’s The Israel Lobby, which examined the “loose coalition of individuals and organizations who actively work to steer U.S. foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction,” a coalition driven by “a core consisting of organizations whose declared purpose is to encourage the U.S. government and the American public to provide material aid to Israel and to support its government’s policies, as well as influential individuals for whom these goals are also a top priority.”  This week’s events underscore how remarkable it is that that book’s argument was demonized as some sort of radical, hateful conspiracy tract rather than treated as what it was: a statement of the bleeding obvious (albeit a brave one, given that discussions of that reality had previously been taboo). 

Obama’s call for a peace deal ultimately “based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps” is not even arguably a change from past American policy.  Though he’s the first President to publicly call for such an outcome, that’s been the working premise of American policy for decades.  It’s controversial in one sense—it unduly rewards Israel for its illegal seizures of land by suggesting they should be able to permanently keep West Bank settlements (the “land swap” aspect of the formula)—but it does not remotely constitute a step in an anti-Israel direction.  When even Israel-devoted stalwarts such as former IDF Corporal Jeffrey Goldberg and the ADL’s Abe Foxman are dismissive of the condemnation of Obama’s statements, it’s crystal clear that they pose no challenge to the dominant pro-Israel orthodoxy that has shaped American policy (and political discourse) for decades.

At most, Obama’s public endorsement of this position was a symbolic gesture to chide Netanyahu for his overt indifference to U.S. interests (and, more so, belligerence toward Obama), and a small rhetorical fig leaf to the populist forces driving the Arab rebellion. Yet even the most microscopic deviation from the dictates of the Israel Government produce shrill and ludicrous backlash from The inside-the-U.S. Israel Lobby.

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By Robert, May 24, 2011 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

AIPAC: We’ll take over Cal’s student government… That’s how we operate in our nation’s capitol

Richard Brenneman

April 4, 2010

“The American Israel Public Affairs Committee [AIPAC] has launched a drive to take over student government at the University of California at Berkeley, the organization’s Leadership Development Director announced at last week’s annual conference in Washington.

Here’s the money quote from Jonathan Kessler, made to student leaders drawn fom 370 campuses, including representatives from all 50 states:</b.

How are we going to beat back the anti-Israel divestment resolution at Berkeley? We’re going to make certain that pro-Israel students take over the student government and reverse the vote. <b>That is how AIPAC operates in our nation’s capitol. This is how AIPAC must operate on our nation’s campuses.

Also included among those chosen to address the students was attorney and militant Zionist Alan Dershowitz, who, reports JTA reporter Ben Harris, was “greeted like a rock star.” “

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Click on link for details & video:

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/pg-aipacstudents.html

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By JM, May 24, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

If Barry Lando had stated in his “should have” speech that American taxpayer
dollars (including military aid bought with them) would no longer be sent to
Israel, and were Obama able to mean it, we would have the simple, ethical
solution for a considerable majority of Americans who face, along with their
children, an uncertain but bleak economic future as of this writing. Nothing
short of this cut-off of aid will make a difference in the Middle East; American
lives spent and many dollars and decades of talk, while Israel bullies and builds
and Palestinians resist the brutal occupation and continuing land grab, have
proven this.

Those who have sold out the American people already know the real solution
for the majority of Americans; there’s just not enough in it for them. And the
more they get away with, the more determined they become to milk the cash
cow dry. And how dry can it get?

Putting America first—for a change—is what is needed and wanted from
America’s leaders. Where are they?

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By thims54, May 24, 2011 at 12:44 pm Link to this comment
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He made the point you are making albeit diplomatically. Those who fail to see the prevailing dynamics will rue the day when UN sanction Palestinian State and proceed to make life difficult for Iseal and by extension US. Since the proposal has been on the table for years before his Presidency it seems irrational for the Prime Minster to take the stand he has taken. Maybe he believes that the coming elections may sway him. Sorry old chap; please listen to what he said. He is moving his agenda step by step.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 24 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
“How does 25 Billion in 1950 dollars translate to 2011 dollars?  In 1968, the US Milit budget was about 80 billion. Today it’s well over trillion dollars.  Do the math.”

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The math is fuzzy. The 25 Billion includes the Marshal Plan and other funds. 16 Nations were recipients. The United Kingdom was the largest recipient of Marshal Plan funds, at 3.3 Billion.

Inflation has gone up about 900% since 1947. Nine times 3.3 Billion equals 29.7 Billion which leaves 84.3 Billion of the estimated 114 Billion, but that’s not the point, is it?

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By JDmysticDJ, May 24, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

Ahmadinejad makes personal contribution to Persian Jewish charity in Tehran: Goes one up on truthdig poster.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 24, 2011 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Ahmadinejad: There’s a US plot to save ‘Zionist regime’ - President of Iran feels very much at home on TruthDig.

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By ajintx, May 24, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

If an American general can express the view that moderate Muslims should rein in their more extreme co-religionists, then the same idea can be expressed to Jews -with more weight- when delivered by a US President; especially when he is merely reiterating long-standing US policy.  Every time peace seems imminent between Israel and Palestine, some extremist has taken extreme action and tabled the movement forward.  So which will it be this time?  Do the Zionists and Hamas keep delaying, or is a peace brokered, and more generations of Palestinians and Israelis saved from sectarian strife?  The current upheaval in the Mideast governments is an opportunity that should not be wasted;  Israel can no longer say they are the only democratic force in the Mideast.  The Palestinians, if not allowed a right of return, must be compensated generously for their purloined lands.  There is a way forward, it must be agreed.

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By Anarcissie, May 24, 2011 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Raylan—what you say about Israel was also true of South Africa, which obtained no such hold over the American people, even though it had a similar imperial function, and its racist policies were very much in tune with the attitudes of most White Americans.

People have studied the remarkable influence of Israel and Zionism in American politics, and written books about it.  I have not read these books and have not come to a conclusion about the question, but I would note that a minority, if it focuses energetically on a single cause, can often have a great deal of success in advancing that cause even though the great majority has no interest in it, or is even mildly antagonistic to it.  No conspiracy is required.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 24, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

How does 25 Billion in 1950 dollars translate to 2011 dollars?  In 1968, the US Milit budget was about 80 billion. Today it’s well over trillion dollars.  Do the math.

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RayLan, May 24 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

The hold that Zionism has on the US seems puzzling until one realizes it’s genetic kinship - they are both imperialist agressors. It’s essential for US military presence in the ME and the oil economy to have such an imperalist partner.

Stop making sense, RayLan, you must know that the real reason that the US has such strong ties to Israel has nothing to do with foreign policy, a need for a military presence in that region, one that long predated our invasions in fact.

Everyone knows that the twelve rabbis who rule the world and the fact that the US is dominated by Jews who really own everything and run everything are responsible.

Doesn’t that explanation seem to outweigh your own common sense, logic and astute reasoning?

( you dont think that certain mouthbreathers will fail to notice the sarcasm here or the double entendre, do you?)

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By Inherit The Wind, May 23 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

“Israel by no means has received the most foreign aid.  The Marshall plan pumped billions and billions into England, first, France, second, and Germany, third.  But it sounds good to say it.”

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The Marshal Plan amounted to 25 Billion. A conservative estimate of U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel amounts to 114 Billion.

The Marshal Plan helped to rebuild Western Europe and served to prevent the spread of Communism. The U.S. Economy benefited from the Marshal Plan. It could be argued that the 114 Billion in aid to Israel contributed to the destruction of Middle Eastern countries, and additional expenditures into the trillions by the U.S. in the final analysis, but it doesn’t sound good to say it.

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By EmileZ, May 24, 2011 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

@RayLan

While U.S. imperialism may have been carried out in the past in the name of god and country, nowadays it is in the name of our “interests” and whenever possible we like to throw in some sort of language about democracy and womens rights which is utter nonsense.

Israel in its current incarnation is a state that serves our “interests” in the middle east and over the years has become totally dependant upon us for its “legitimacy”. Which is fucked up and sad.

However… I think I know what you mean.

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By RayLan, May 24, 2011 at 3:47 am Link to this comment

The hold that Zionism has on the US seems puzzling until one realizes it’s genetic kinship - they are both imperialist agressors. It’s essential for US military presence in the ME and the oil economy to have such an imperalist partner. Just as the US has made a practice of invasion and occupation in the name of God and Country throughout the third world, so Israel has occupied territories not its own on a similat religious pretext.

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By PatrickHenry, May 24, 2011 at 3:44 am Link to this comment

Just another day in Washington DC with anti AIPAC forces at Union Station.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7pU5aZmYbM&feature=player_embedded#at=262

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By EmileZ, May 24, 2011 at 3:35 am Link to this comment

You still could have put the Hamas/Israel thing in better context, but like I said… not bad.

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By EmileZ, May 24, 2011 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

Not bad for a guy that works for one of the major networks!!!

You didn’t even demonize Hamas (or maybe I should say “single out Hamas for criticizm”).

Have you been reading Norman G. Finkelstein???

At any rate… Kudos to you buddy.

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By Virginia777, May 23, 2011 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man:

“You don’t quite grasp global events.

You don’t grasp anything, troll.

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By Go Right Young Man, May 23, 2011 at 8:55 pm Link to this comment

PHenry, - “this issue is about Israelis and Palestinians….”

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You don’t quite grasp global events.

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By Davy de Verteuil, May 23, 2011 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment
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After George Bushel any one can run/be for President
Donald CHUMP, SADIST Palin ∧ House Negro WarBama are
tokens of America’s abasements.

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By JM, May 23, 2011 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

Had Barry Lando gone so far in his speech as to say that he would no longer
approve American Taxpayer dollars going to prop up the whole rotten mess, he
would have said something. Of course he would need to be able to back it up…but
so far he hasn’t even tried to make a real difference. Little bandaids, and “in
progress” situations…after all those promises.

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By Night-Gaunt, May 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

The only reason why AIPAC has such inordinate influence is because there are those in power here who want to hear and want to use them. Receptive ears can produce that in a crowd.

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By WarrenMetzler, May 23, 2011 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

I propose that Lando misses the point. Zionism is a Jewish version of the 19th
century nationalism philosophy, that lead to Hitler’s, Franco’s and Mussolini’s
fascism, and the fascism (in the disguise of communism) of Lenin and Stalin;
which was the belief nirvana lay in a political system that was purely Aryan,
Spanish, Italian, communist, or Jewish. It was a false view, that negated the
approach to find a way for all humans to live in peace, with each person
working toward what she inwardly knew was her destiny in life.

Out of Zionism, it was falsely adopted that only accumulation of all the lands
occupied by the Hebraic 12 tribes (current Israel, West Bank, parts of south
Lebanon, the Golan Heights, and part of Jordan; but not Gaza, because that is
where the Philistines lived throughout the entire history of that era), would lead
to Jewish security and freedom from millennium oppression. And no one will
ever be elected as a leader in leader in Israel, unless the majority of that
country have an inner sense he or she will make progress toward that dream,
while at the same time repeatedly proficiently lying to the Western public about
Israel being a peace loving democracy.

If Zionist is ever abandoned, then there will be no more need for a Jewish state,
and a one state solution will soon manifest. Until then it is absurd and a
guaranteed waste of time for any US president to assume he or she can change
the 1948 on situation. Only the Palestinians moving beyond their current
incompetent and barbaric tribalism, or sufficient Israeli’s recognizing their
steadily increasing fascism, realizing it is inevitable if Zionism is retained, and
considering that an unacceptable option, will bring about change. Which is
exactly what happened in South Africa.

However, it is much more difficult for Jews, because many of them have bought
the fantasy of being a secular Jew; and once you buy one fantasy, it is
impossible to rid yourself of any other fantasies.

I totally support Inherit the wind (above, May 23, at 8.29 am); it is pure
delusion that AIPAC and any other pro-Israel organizations have control. The
real control is our major corporations who favor the status quo in the ME,
because they falsely believe the status quo is more fertile to their profits than
real freedom; and are quite content to allow the public believe the real
intransigent parties are AIPAC, et al. As soon as most of those corporations
change their minds, AIPAC’s influence will disappear faster than a lover caught
by a husband in bed with the wife; or perhaps more accurately, than the speed
with which Obama runs as soon as he is presented with the opportunity to take
a principled stand on any issue.

My two cents.

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By Gina Nahai, May 23, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment
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Grammar lesson:
“the reason is BECAUSE… ” is incorrect;
next time, try “the reason is THAT…”

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By PatrickHenry, May 23, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

A few clarifcations to your misinformed blather.

Israel holds the record for UN sanctions and routinely ignores them, their leader BiBi, just told the U.S. President, his largest benefactor, that his hopes for a peace based on 1967 borders was wishful thinking.

Jews are despised and feared, for thousands of years?  Focus, this issue is about Israelis and Palestinians regarding an issue which is a little over 60 years, before that they pretty much got along and BTW, Jews are not feared, maybe by you but thats your own dementia.

Hamas has elected representatives in the Palestine government, much like the Likud, very much like the Likud.  Live with it.  Hezbollah is in Lebanon, different country.

Nasrallah?, I have heard of Rabbi Kahane of JDL fame, a registered terrorist organization.  Just another religious nut case who forgets their own religions message of peace, love and understanding.

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By DavidByron, May 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Yes the 1947 borders should be the ones returned to.  Anything less is to make a mockery of the UN treaty and its ban on war.  It would reward Israeli aggression and genocide and just encourage more of the same by others.

You can’t settle every historic wrong but the ones happening since the universal ban on war following WW2 should be.

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By mike, May 23, 2011 at 3:34 pm Link to this comment
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I love truthdig and read it whenever I can. I must say that this article is probably the stupidest I have ever seen on the internet since I first got dial up service with Prodigy. I’ve seen it all and this takes the cake. The doomsday guy presents a better case.

Best,
Mike

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By Go Right Young Man, May 23, 2011 at 3:11 pm Link to this comment

gerard, - “Who can really believe that there are no negotiators in the entire world who could join together to help these people break the deadlock of violence and hatred?”

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The U.N., the U.S., France, China, Russia, Japan, Britain, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan….and the list goes on….have expended huge sums of money and time into Arab/Israeli issues. - Jews have been despised and feared, literally, for thousands of years.

Step one:  De-fund the military arms of Hamas and Hezbollah.  Otherwise negotiations, along with your views and compelling words of compassion, are meaningless.

I beg you to learn the widely accepted teachings of Hassan Nasrallah.  He teaches that to negotiate with Israel is a betrayal if Islam.  To Nasrallah this betrayal is a capital offense.

Your many questions are commendable but, I have a better question.  How would YOU negotiate with men who “religiously believe” negotiations with Israel is to be met with death?  What would be your first words or question for Mr. Nasrallah?

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By PatrickHenry, May 23, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

Nice fiction speech.

Could of, should of, didn’t. 

Time for an American president with some balls to step up and resolve the Israel-Palestinian issue or cut off all aid and embargo them until they reach an agreement.

Yes, AIPAC is the most powerful in Washington and their influence transends both written, televised and motion picture media, not to mention banking.  Media is perception and our congresscritters know this.

Screw with Israel and the American zionists will come out of the woodwork, there are not alot of them but with the ‘megaphone’ media at their disposal they exude the perception that there are many supported by polls, charts and graphs.  They will resort to slander, blacklisting, misreporting and nonreporting to exemplify Israels position right or wrong.

I continue to see it over and over.

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By rodney, May 23, 2011 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
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As long as Netanyahu is prime minister, there will never be peace in the middle east. Israel has s government similar to the former aparthied state of South Africa all supported by the US of A. Obama needs to remind Netanyahu that for the first time in his life he can no longer ignore someone who has the name of Hussein. If the Palasteian people start massive protests in the streets Israel could no longer ignore them. They would be forced to negotiate for peace. That is their fear especially since the other middle east uprisings occurred.

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By gerard, May 23, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

Hatred and fear create more hatred and fear.  Everybody knows that. The main reason the Israel/Palestine fight has persisted for decades is because of the daily re-creation of hatred and fear, some politically perpetuated, some stimulated by forces of exploitation.

For decades, organizationss of both Israelis and Palestinians have existed who work together for peace.  They do not share or participate in this mutually destructive pattern of hatred and fear.

Why are those organizations not funded so their attitudes and methods can spread?  Why are they unable to make their voices broadly heard?  Why are they not supported and publicized by the United Nations and by every other organization in the world that shares their determination to work together for peaceful solutions and stop perpetuating violence?

What good does it do for arms dealers to profit from selling huge arsenals to the side involved with appropriating land and water belonging to the other side? What good does it do to accuse the weaker side of harboring “terrorism” when the stronger side is permitted to appropriate the weaker side’s land and water? 

Who can really believe that there are no negotiators in the entire world who could join together to help these people break the deadlock of violence and hatred?

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By Night-Gaunt, May 23, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Yes Israel, they were offered their own country, except they couldn’t be allowed to operate it as one. So of course they refused when they couldn’t operate their own boarders, trade etc was still in Israel’s hands. So of course NO was the proper response. It would have just been one of those bantustands that the old South Africa had. Fake states.

As this article points out, President Obama never said it and probably would never say it.

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By spaghetti happens, May 23, 2011 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment
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“So, if the Palestinians are suffering so much ...”  Wow, nice heartfelt statement about the brotherhood of man, dude.  Have you checked the casualty totals lately, Mr. Tough Guy?

I don’t even know you and I already despise you.

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By millerdunwoody, May 23, 2011 at 12:51 pm Link to this comment
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“That was how one guy determined to settle the ‘Jewish Problem.’”  Yes, Inherit, you are absolutely right.  And now we’re starting with you!  Bring on the brownshirts!  Let’s party like it’s 1933!

Dumbass.

The “Israel Problem”, my friend, is not synonymous with the “Jewish Problem.”  The fact that you don’t realize that makes one of Mr. Lando’s points quite well.

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By Drew Sargent, May 23, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment
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What a magnificent dream speech. It certainly exceeds in stature the current
illusion in America: The American Dream. This dream speech hits the bull’s-eye of
what is undermining our civilization today.
Instead of truth, we are fed lies from money-driven propaganda mongers. I hate
to witness the decay….

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By politicky, May 23, 2011 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Wow, that is a dream speech from an American president.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 23, 2011 at 10:51 am Link to this comment

Actually, I think you really want to go back to the 1939-1945, ie, the gas chambers.  That was how one guy determined to settle the “Jewish Problem.”

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By Lee smith, May 23, 2011 at 10:22 am Link to this comment
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IT IS FUNNY IF YOU THINK ARTICLES LIKE THIS MISCREANT WROTE WILL
MATTER IN THE LONG RUN.  MOST OF YOU CREEPS LIKE THIS AUTHOR
WOULDNT LAST 2 DAYS IN AN ARAB COUNTRY.  THE ONLY THING THAT CAN
IMPROVE THE SITUATION WOULD BE ANOTHER WAR IN THE REGION AND LET
THE JEWS FINISH OFF THE ARABS   THEY MISSED A FEW CHANCES IN THE PAST
HOPEFULLY THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER ONE

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By kokopuff, May 23, 2011 at 9:37 am Link to this comment
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Obama didn’t go back far enough with his 1967 borders comment.  We need to go back to the pre-partition days of 1947.  Maybe even further back than that, to the time preceding the 1917 Balfour Declaration.

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By DavidByron, May 23, 2011 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Samson writes:
“By now, I’m convinced articles like this are a part
of the propaganda that tricks people into thinking
Obama is somehow more progressive than Ronald Reagan.”

Right.  The ugly thing is that at this point right wing crap like this article, actually looks “progressive” to people.  One wonders how the readers here would react to an actual left wing / pro-Palestinian view point on Israel which this sure as fuck is not.

So for my mind I think the trick here is more subtle than “Obama is progressive”.  It is “This is Progressive”.  It’s good cop / bad cop for a more sophisticated audience where Obama is the bad cop and this right wing drivel is the “good cop”.

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By DavidByron, May 23, 2011 at 9:29 am Link to this comment

So this is like fanfic from a parallel universe where Obama is not a psychotic asshole, or at least not such a suck-up psychotic asshole, although still genuinely favouring the on-going genocide program called Israel?

I guess that means the author of the piece is such a “less-of-a suck-up psychotic asshole”.

So thanks for giving space to right wing nutcases again Thruthiness Dig.

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By Laws456, May 23, 2011 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

That would have been a great speech. I was watching Morning Joe today and of course since the topic is Israel, they bring their favorite CFR member who just happens to be Israel’s biggest and most ardent cheerleader, Dan Senor, and as usual this guy is mainly wrong about everything when it comes to the Middle East but he was on tv to say how much Obama hates Israel. He says he feels Obama is truly dedicated to Israeli security but still has complaints. I don’t get it. And for the life of me I can’t understand why Israel is so important to the leaders of this country. It can’t only be money because we give them more than they give us. Is their importance based on their physical location and the might of their military? I don’t get it, I really don’t. When it comes to Israel, as the writer says, there is almost always bipartisan agreement among politicians on this issue. The media, rarely entertains the opinions of those who differ from the opinion of a Dan Senor or a Richard Haas. As you said in the piece, our relationship with this country has caused more headaches than anything else. Why isn’t there any coverage of Hamas as a political entity rather than just calling thema terrorist organization. Won’t the Palestinians and the Lebanese consider the IDF as a terrorist organization? Again, I’m not sure why they are so important, so maybe one of you here could explain it to me. Please don’t tell me that they are worried about the democratic state in the Middle East being overrun by radical Muslims either, these radical Christians here in this country don’t respect democracy anymore than their Muslim counterparts who want to govern by Shari’a (don’t know if I spelled correctly, but you get the point)law. As a country, we need to junk our entire foreign policy of the last 100 years and come up with something in which the US works with other countries instead of imposing our will by any means necessary. But then again, that would require sane people operating our govt agencies, and that won’t happen anytime soon.

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By Inherit The Wind, May 23, 2011 at 8:29 am Link to this comment

A) that was Vanessa Redgrave, not Lynn. Lynn said her sister would quite coldly run over her to further her revolutionary aims.

B) AIPAC is NOT the most powerful lobby by any means.  The Oil and Gas lobby just CRUSHED an attempt to stop subsidizing them, the richest corporations in America, with our tax dollars.  The Pharmaceuticals lobby is also far more influential, as is the hospital and health care industries, that derailed the single-payer scheme.  And NOBODY in Washington dares cross the AARP.  Remember how Social Security is the Third Rail in politics?  Touch it and die?  Even GW Bush foundered on that one.

C) Israel by no means has received the most foreign aid.  The Marshall plan pumped billions and billions into England, first, France, second, and Germany, third.  But it sounds good to say it.

Do I wish an American President would call Netanyahu on the carpet along with his Likud loony backers?  You bet!  And despite the usual jabbering, he did MORE toward that than any President in the last 50 years other than Carter.

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By sharonsj, May 23, 2011 at 8:17 am Link to this comment
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to Israeli:  Save your breath.  The Jew haters don’t respond to facts.  I suppose Lando et al need conspiracy theories to foster their own ideas of history.

If I pointed out that for every Palestinian refugee there was a Jew who fled an Arab country and had land and property confiscated, these fools would just look at me as if I had a third arm.

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By frecklefever, May 23, 2011 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

LYNN REDGRAVE WAS AN EARLY CRITIC OF ZION FOR ITS TREATMENT OF
THE PALESTINIANS…AND WAS CONVERGED ON BY THE HYSTERICAL
APOLOGISTS THAT PORTRAYED HER AS A NAZI..THE LOBBY OF ZION IS
GENIUS PERSONIFIED IN PERFECTING LIES….THAT’S THEIR VOCATION AND
AVOCATION….AND WHEN THE WORLD TURNS A BLIND EYE ..ZION WILL
STAND ALONE…

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By TDoff, May 23, 2011 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

Perfect speech, Lando. The only thing you might have added: ‘Now that The Rapture is on, look around you and notice that all you AIPAC members are still here. We ‘Left-Behinds’ are going to have to work harder now that all the ‘Godly’, ‘Religious’ folks have left us. Apparently, ‘god’ has a different idea about who he shall choose to come to his bosom. But don’t feel too bad, not only were all you ‘chosen ones’ not chosen, but the Pope is till here, too.
Maybe there is more to being religious than just hypothetical pretense. Maybe if we all try a bit harder to understand and apply the golden rule, to treat others as we’d like to be treated, perhaps when the next Rapture rolls around, we’ll all get to flap our angel wings and get away from this hell we’ve created here on earth.
Let’s start by treating the Palestinians as if they were important people, too. And maybe the world will quit hating you AIPAC folks so much.’

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By Go Right Young Man, May 23, 2011 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

The speech the U.S. President should have given.

Syrian Revolt: 900 Dead and Counting!

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By SoTexGuy, May 23, 2011 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

Obama gives a one-liner about the ‘67 borders and boundaries. Maybe to set the stage for renewal of the effort for a resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.. A torrent of criticism and reproach is heaped on him from all sides.

Netanyahu responds in anger and hurt. He’s praised for his forthrightness. His comments and critical approval for his views repeated over and over in the news.. right down to the local newsreader gal on our channel 4.. and on the front page of our daily rag the next day (and the next).

Then the spectacle of our President apologizing and explaining to AIPAC..

Who’s to blame for the circus macabre that is our government and especially foreign policy?  Israel? the News corps? AIPAC? .. Obama himself?

I say it’s the American people for not standing up for our President and shouting down the yammering self-interested critics… LET THE MAN TALK!

He was actually saying something important and of substance.

Adios!

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By ardee, May 23, 2011 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

A pointless fantasy of an article ,in my own opinion. We all know, I think, what our nation’s message to Israel should be, and we all know that this message, however sorely needed, will never be delivered by in the current political climate of our country.

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By Jim, May 23, 2011 at 4:18 am Link to this comment
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Well, we have the speech. Now all we need is a President who had guts and actually believed in something, to deliver it.

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By PatrickHenry, May 23, 2011 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

AIPAC is in town.

Time to put the ‘support Palestine’ bumper stickers on my truck and drive around capitol hill.

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By Arabian Sinbad, May 23, 2011 at 3:27 am Link to this comment

Thank you Barry Lando for writing the speech that would not have been delivered and will never be delivered by any coward past, present or future president of this sad USA, who only excel in licking the assess of their Zionist tormenters. History will record that this is the worst form of slavery and shameful submission to the whims and blackmailing of the most terrorist entity in recent human history.

Thank again Barry Lando; I greatly enjoyed being reminded of the truths contained in your piece and I will treasure it as a great piece of revolutionary thought and literature amid all the trash, darkness and falsehoods that dominate American political discourse.

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By Samson, May 23, 2011 at 1:28 am Link to this comment

By now, I’m convinced articles like this are a part
of the propaganda that tricks people into thinking
Obama is somehow more progressive than Ronald Reagan. 
People write these fake speeches, which Obama would
never possibly give, then they pretend that Obama
might actually say something like this.  An article
like this connects Obama to words and policies that
Obama wouldn’t touch with a ten foot pole.

We know what Obama decided to put into a speech to
AIPAC.  Deal with that reality, and ignore the pretty
illusions like this.

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By NZDoug, May 23, 2011 at 12:56 am Link to this comment

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation and the
cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population,” said
Israel’s founding prime minister, David Ben-Gurion.

“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation and the
cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population,” said
Israel’s founding prime minister, David Ben-Gurion.

Half a century later, Ariel Sharon said, “It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain
to public opinion . . . that there can be no Zionism, colonisation or Jewish state
without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.”

To understand Israeli government policy it is at first necessary to grasp this
central fact. As Ariel Sharon urged “Everybody has to move, run and grab as
many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements
because everything we take now will stay ours…Everything we don’t grab will
go to them.” — Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of
the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

To underline again the racism inherent in Israeli state ideology…….
One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
–Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994

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By Albert, May 23, 2011 at 12:38 am Link to this comment
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“I call upon Hamas to reconsider its aims if it truly wants to achieve a settlement with Israel…” Is this for real? OK… suppose they say ‘no’, what then?
This speech and this approach will endanger the US.
This is similar to Chamberlain’s approach that lead to
the Munich agreement.

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By Virginia777, May 22, 2011 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

Barry Lando:

Save your shoulds.

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By obama undermined, May 22, 2011 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment
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jews are making it painfully obvious their deception and undermining of america for israel, the days of pretending jews dont controll government and media are over,If i were a jew I would be expecting a backlash…........ps i know you wont print this but ask yourself a question ..why hide the opinion of american citizens?

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By Israeli, May 22, 2011 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment
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Hi,

Israel has offered the Palestinians their own country, but they still refuse.
read this:http://www.haaretz.com/news/olmert-abbas-never-responded-to-my-peace-offer-1.263328

I repeat - Israel has offered them a country, with everything! based on 1967 borders. AND THEY DIDN’T RESPOND.

Israel has made a logical, fair offer - this will allow them to leave peacefuly. But they refused. They don’t want fair offers. They want crazy things to happen - like to have 1,000,000 Palestinians come live IN ISRAEL(not in their new country).

So - If the Palestinians are suffering so much, they should accept the best offer Israel will ever offer them, and if they don’t accept it - they can’t whine about not having their own country and being occupied - because this is the fate they prefer.

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By john crandell, May 22, 2011 at 10:09 pm Link to this comment

DREAM ON: Barak Obama was born way, way too late.  He, not Alec Guiness,
should have played the lead role in ‘The Bridge Over The River Kwai.’

But on second thought, no, this is a mistaken idea.

The character played by Guiness finally woke up to reality, just in time.

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