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Posted on Jan 27, 2010
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President Obama turns to leave after speaking at the opening session of the Forum on Modernizing Government on Jan. 14 in Washington.

By Robert Scheer

The state of the union is just miserable, no matter how President Obama sugarcoats it. He will claim that progress has been made in stabilizing the markets, increasing national security and advancing toward meaningful health care reform, but he will be wrong on all three counts.

What he will be right about is that none of these problems were originally of his creation, and that the opposition party wants to exacerbate rather than solve any of them – believing, as they do, in that destructive maxim of desperate losers who find their salvation in the stumbles of the winners.

There is no doubt that Obama and his party represent the lesser evil, but it is deeply disturbing to have to defend the leaders of our nation in those terms. They were supposed to lead us to peace, but as the cables from the U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, printed in The New York Times on Monday, make absolutely clear, the escalation in Afghanistan is tantamount to a disaster without end. Ambassador Karl W. Eikenberry, a retired lieutenant general who was previously the top American commander in Afghanistan, warned: “Sending additional forces will delay the day when Afghans will take over, and make it difficult, if not impossible, to bring our people home on a reasonable timetable.”

Obama distracted progressives with a grand crusade for health care reform that reasserted the fundamental fallacy of the previous health reform effort of the Clinton years: Give the insurance companies a captive universal market under the absurd illusion that we can control costs without undermining their greed with a competitive government-run option.

The same is the case with the collapse of the economy, as Obama shamefully continued the Bush administration’s mugging of U.S. taxpayers by throwing trillions of dollars at the Wall Street bandits who caused the financial meltdown. Meanwhile, 7 million Americans have lost their jobs and 15 million families owe more on their homes than they are worth.

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Someday our president, whom I still regard as a decent and well-intentioned politician, will have to confront the demons of that fatal opportunism that led him to turn over the economy to the likes of Lawrence Summers and Timothy Geithner, who can most charitably be described as hugely successful Wall Street pimps. Obama knows of Summers’ devilish role, during his time in the Clinton administration, in pushing the radical deregulation of the markets that the president blamed last week for our economic debacle. And he is aware that the TARP inspector general is hot on Geithner’s heels for his role, as head of the New York Fed, in the funneling of $62 billion dollars through AIG to Goldman Sachs and the other bonus payout alchemists.

But there is no indication from the carefully orchestrated leaks of his State of the Union speech that Obama is truly set to reverse course. Rhetoric about the “fat cat” bankers aside, his policies represent more of the same. There will be some hokey gestures of support for the disappearing middle class, but at the heart of his new budget proposal are cuts in needed domestic spending for education, nutrition, air traffic control and just about every other worthwhile domestic program. But there are no cuts for the military budget that already makes up 60% of the federal government’s discretionary spending and is comparable to the total military budget for the rest of the world’s nations combined.

Budget director Peter Orszag, who is overseeing those cuts, is, like Summers and Geithner, a disciple of former Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, whose radical deregulatory policies brought us to this point. Orszag’s freeze on domestic spending, projected for the rest of Obama’s term, will reduce the domestic budget to its lowest percentage in 50 years. That portion of the discretionary budget is already so small that the proposed cuts will save a scant $10 billion to $15 billion next year—chump change compared to the $145 billion in bonuses for Wall Street’s high rollers dispensed after a year of massive national suffering that they engineered.

Shame on Obama for now telling us after wasting many trillions on Wall Street and the Pentagon, that he will now seek to balance the biggest indebtedness in U.S. history not by cutting from that greasy pork but rather into the bone of our civic life, found in funding for schools and other desperately needed social services. That is the opposite of a New Deal for ordinary folks in need of their government’s assistance more than at any other time since the days of that last great Democratic president, Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Will we ever have another?

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By teayza31, May 16, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about the fact that his health care
proposal was a lock in for the ins. companies,

just refused to unveil it before the elections.

It always had a cloud over it..  he never described
just what it was.

No lie there either…

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 8:16 pm Link to this comment

Thank you John,  I really didn’t believe that

I was a lone fish out here,  but I was nieve

about the protection of the OBAMARAMA IMAGE.

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By johncp, January 31, 2010 at 7:26 pm Link to this comment

OFERSINCE72
I’ve noticed that you’‘ve been unwilling, so far, to say anything umcomplimentary about anyone on this list. There are a few here, with a vague and unclear agenda.  These few are anxious to knock anyone down that disagrees with them, and especially says anything unfavorable about their prescious, but tattered Messiah.  I suspect their motives for supporting Obama, go deeper, but are unrevealed here.  I must say, I’ve rarely heard “democrats” being defended with such talk as I hear from these people.  In any case, I’d not give them too much mind.  They’re trying to scare you away with their ad hominem and, frankly, fascistic methods.  They don’t much mind your bold style, it’s just that it’s being used to attack one of their sacred cows.  Another tactic, is never to respond with specific retorts, in plain, clear, languange, to the biting accusations being made against Obama, but, instead, to demand the “proofs” of Obama’s critics, as if nothing accusing him of his thousands shortcomings was ever made, and to put the responsibility on his damning accusers.  One thing is clear, Obama will get support from those people who have an agenda in common with Obama, that satisfys them, and gives them what they want.

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

the new phophet,,,,  hadn’t thought of that…great
idea….I don’t believe I am worthy though.
if Zinn and Chomsky haven’t been able to change
the course of our country,(and many other great ones)
I am sure I can’t change a conscience.
All   I   asked   is .......

what do you see in the Dems that you support
them…...?  What do you like about our president?

Do you view our wars as religious wars?
Do you like the health care bill, should it be
passed?  Do you like raising the military budget
to $720 Billion a year and that doesn’t even cover
the wars or overseas bases?  Do you like the NAFTA
trade agreements?
When did the War on Terror start?  Why in Iraq?
I am not preaching there are dozens of others
on these blogs that have expressed my same views.
Most of them a little more articulate but saying
exactly the very same thing.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 31, 2010 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Ofer:
If you are not debating then you are preaching. Go find a church and pulpit and make your sermons.  One-way “communication” is what Rush Limbaugh does.  Why should anyone here think you’re the new Prophet of The Progressives with your herky-jerky unfollowable style?

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

INHERIT THE WIND…to understand my wisecracks a

little better ..here you go….in 1968 I was a
volunteer that really didn’t have to worry about the
draft because of a hereditary blood disorder….I hid
it and enlisted in the USN….I was a radioman in
the amphibious fleet which landed marines ,  I have
the Viet campaign and svc medals..  I never told
anyone about this or what happened to me for almost
forty years…..I completed four years of service.

anyway….after making E5 in just two years, because
of some military jealousies here is a summery.
The Commands whole simple minded story about me
was based on a Captain’s Mast with formal charges
that never occurred….To back this up they cited
a NIS report that doesn’t exist.  All this fed to
the Admiral, Chief of BUPERS, to cover their illegal
removal from communications and illegal removal of
a security clearance….Since their whole simple
minded story never occurred and didn’t exist they
had to try to discharge me with a 28B discharge,
(reasons of unfitness),  since i had been such an
outstanding sailor, they had to fabricate some more
to make me appear unbelievable and them believable.
To do this,  I was given four NJPs in a four month
time ,all out to sea and in VIET NAM.  Along with
the NJPs came the five month sleep depravation to go
along with the virtual confinement for about a year
and a half on the ship.  It was a year and a half
of what I call the BEEN H.A.D. program….
humiliation, alienation, then depravation.
I congressman wisked me off the ship in VIET hours
before I was to be sent to prison camp in SAIGON.
It took me years to recover,  I couldn’t talk about
my experience with a sole including my father and
my wife of many years.  I NEVER DID ONE DAMN THING
WRONG WHILE IN THE MILITARY but my service record
which they wouldn’t release to me until 2008, is
nothing more than a fabricated character assassination.  I wouldn’t have been able to retrieve it then with out my representative retrieving it for me, and had they known what they
were retrieving, they wouldn’t have, they told me that.
So i HAVE HAD TO CARRY 28B STAMPED ACCROSS MY
FACE FOR ALMOST FORTY YEARS, DID QUITE WELL DESPITE
THAT….none the less..gpv has followed me and
haunted every move i have made since to justify
what they did.  I carried that instilled shame
for things i was never guilty of until May of this
year.

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:45 am Link to this comment

But,  I am not afraid of   a   debate…...


Lets debate…...you support the DEMS for….???

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

I don’t need my ego pumped with responces.

I don’t give a   rats ass   if   i don’t get

one comment….and exuse me for all the entries
I do my e males   in subject line format also,
which infuriates some….but never the less thats
how I do it.

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

He is   still calling RESOURCE WARS

wars about TEROR and RELIGION

there is no debate there,....just stating fact….

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

I quit   debating this stuff years ago…
I am just stating a few facts about his
campaign and first year.

He is authorizing the bombing of babies,,,there is
no debate there….........just stating a fact !!!

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Here is another wise crack INHERIT THE WIND

anyone who doesn’t   have anger issues right

right now needs to see   a   shrink !!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 31, 2010 at 10:03 am Link to this comment

I don’t need   a   response !!!!!!!

If you take it   as   wise   cracks..go ahead..

I more than   anybody would like to se

Obama make   a   fool out   of me.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DEBATE????????????  what are we debating ???
the lesser of evil notion?
I really care less if anyone reads my
wise cracks or not,  I have read very little
here of   comments that haven’t been repeated
for forty years over and over and over and over
and over again….The same crap…..

That just might be why I   am reduced to wise
cracks at this point of my life.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 31, 2010 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Dubyar,

There are a few areas wherein the Obama administration has made, while not “catastrophic”, has made some very significant mistakes with far reaching and potentially dangerous ramifications.

1. Eric Holder.  Poor judgment

2. Lawrence Summers.  Poor judgment

3. Announcing on his second day to close GITMO within a year while ignoring similar facilities in Poland, Jordan and Afghanistan.  President Obama clearly failed to take the time to fully understand the issue before signing that order.  Poor judgment.

4. The Obama administration has stated the goal of conducted trials on “terror suspects” in a venue, whether military tribunal or civilian court, that will “best bring about a conviction and sentencing”.  If that be the case then why refuse KSM’s guilty plea in order to conduct a civil trial in New York City?  After KSM’s plea of guilty we could have quickly moved on to the sentencing phase.  Why risk a show-trial?  Why risk the security dangers?  Why risk possible acquittal by not allowing him to simply plead guilty?  Poor judgment.

These trials will be heralded as a sham by detractors and enemies alike. In the end it will make little to no difference whether held in a tribunal setting or the civilian courts.

5. Charging the Christmas day Panty-Bomber after only 50 min. of interrogation was a horrific mistake when one considers the loss of potential intelligence that could have been used to avert future attacks or, held the potential to capture those who planned this or future attacks.  The Panty-Bomber attack, by it’s design, deployed a single weapon, inside the U.S., with the potential to kill at least 300 innocents.  This one mistake could, I repeat could, hold some catastrophic consequences.  Horrific judgment.

6. Promising to end “torture” but “reserving the right to use ‘enhanced interrogations”.  Poor judgment.

7. Promising to end extraordinary rendition while “reserving the right to continue using extraordinary renditions”.  Poor judgment.

8.  Promising to change the Patriot Act while continuing to utilize, and in some cases strengthening, the Patriot Act.  Poor judgment.

9. Promising to change how the intelligence community utilizes domestic signal intelligence while strengthening the use of domestic signal intelligence.  Poor judgment.

On the positive side many of these actions completely makes mute the extremely odd notion that these things were evidence of an evil “Neo-Con cabal” in the White House.  That bit of fantasy debilitated the cognitive abilities of most of the “regulars” on this Web site.  They began to believe in intangible phantoms and demons. - It is now correct to claim that the White House is being directed by “new (neo) conservatives”.  And none of them are evil phantoms and demons.

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By elisalouisa, January 31, 2010 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker:
We rely, of course, on honest descriptions, plainly delivered….with no
distortions from private agendas or hidden purposes.  We also try to keep our
emotional involvement with whatever it is to a minimum, because much of that
at-all tends to ‘cloud-the-picture.’ 
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Can this be?  There are actually meetings, get-to-gethers, etc. where there is
honest discourse, plainly delivered and I might then deduce with a lack of
cunning. How far off course our “civilization” is, for as I see it and with few
exceptions, successful deceit is admired at every level and something to be
desired.
Added note: It must be TAO Walker that a “speck” of the essential Humanity
remains in the most “individual"ized of people; then things can be turned around.
However, many do not wish to be restored to the fullness and beauty of their given Human Nature as their awareness of that inner nature is non-existent.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 31, 2010 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

Ofersince72:
Do you think posting 25 posts in a row with only ONE response really impresses anyone? And they are all little ones filled with nothingness, just nasty wisecracks.

There are issues here that can be discussed, but yours is a deliberate thread-killing tactic.  I don’t care WHAT your position is, that makes debate nearly impossible.  Why would that be your goal?

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By johncp, January 30, 2010 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

I was just about to respond to RAE and DUBYAR pathetic demands for proof of my posts concerning Obama’s stupifying bullshit, most consequentially in the primaries, against Hillary, and slackening off a bit, after he’d lied himself to a razor thin win against her.  He then had only to beat McCain, which could have been done by Obama’s mother.  But, OFERSINCE amply relieved me of the task, which I certainly appreciate.  I’m frankly in a state of disbelief by RAE & DUBYAR demand for proof.  It occurs to me, that both of you can’t be so blind, that you’ve completely failed to read a thousand posts on Truthdig, Salon, etc., where countless professional contributors and editors have already provided a staggering level of adverse criticism against our buffoon of a president.  So, what can it be that, you’re up to?  I’m too tired to try to decipher it, but it can’t be interesting.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

TAO,  I am most guilty of some of the thoughts
you mentioned,,,

I sure don’t take your offerings as telling
someone how to live.

I hope that I may learn from them

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By TAO Walker, January 30, 2010 at 1:50 pm Link to this comment

It is to be hoped that elisalouisa is right in her estimation that there remains at-least a “speck” of their essential Humanity alive in most of the “individual”-ized members of the subspecies homo domesticus.  If so, us surviving free wild Indians can help them do the Ceremonies that will revive it, and restore them to the fullness and beauty of their given Human Nature….and its Native place within the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth.

Though liecatcher is probably correct that there are those who tend to see this Old Savage’s offerings here as unwelcome attempts to “....tell us how to live,” it isn’t our Way to do that.  Here is the understanding this Old Man takes-part in these ‘fora’ with:  In our Council Circles there is always something we are looking-at that sits (figuratively) in the center.  So we go around from Person to Person, as many times as needed, to hear what it looks like from where she or he is sitting.

We rely, of course, on honest descriptions, plainly delivered….with no distortions from private agendas or hidden purposes.  We also try to keep our emotional involvement with whatever it is to a minimum, because much of that at-all tends to ‘cloud-the-picture.’ 

We don’t address each other directly, when referring to another Person’s ‘take,’ but speak to the whole Circle.  This helps to reduce the ‘static’ that seems inevitably to occur when “person”-alities intrude.  It seems certain that most here have noticed such degenerative effects on public discourse among the “civilized” peoples these days, even in institutional settings, as it becomes more-and-more CONspicuously and gratuitously and bitterly and uselessly “personal.”

Some of our tame Sisters and Brothers may’ve noticed as well that there has been no voice at all permitted in their councils coming from our Mother Earth and All Our Relations, which has led to an inability among those participating (at whatever ‘level’) to even see, let alone take into account, anything but the most superficial aspects of those often problematical matters in their midst.  So even the professional experts trying to reach understandings and propose “solutions” are handicapped severely by not really KNOWING what it is they’re ‘looking-at’....and equally critical, how it fits-into the rest of the Living Universe, including those ‘areas’ of it given Humanity to attend-to with spontaneous affection and genuine respect.

So this Old Man sometimes ‘sits-down’ in one of these (unfortunately) overly-linear ‘circles’ here, and offers what are meant to be observations from the perspective of one who enjoys Living as a free wild Human Being not just inside one’s own skin or one’s ‘nuclear’ family or one’s Tiyoshpaye or one’s Nation, but within the Whole Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth within the Great Hoop, the endless Song ‘n’ Dance of Life Herownself.  Others taking-part are of course free to take-it-or-leave-it, as it suits them.

Hechetu yelo.  That is what this Person has to say about it.

HokaHey!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

I SURE HOPE YOU HEAR THIS   PRESIDENT OBAMA

YOU ARE TOOOOOOOOO   A LIAR

YOU   DEFRAUDED THE AMERICAN ELECTOR   FOR

YOUR   FRIENDS   ON   WALL STREET!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment

He did lie about having one on one talks

with the president of Iran…..

not only   did he lie about this   he has
OKed   funding   for   the   distruption of that
society,  be it what we like or not….it
is no more   repressive   than   all of the
Middle East governments we support. Less so
than most.

US and Iran   relations have WORSENED in the past
year…....we blame Iran…..they blame us….
it is   probably somewhere in between but
they don’t funnel money to subvert our society.
A very good   reason he should have kept that
promise….........HE IS   SO   A   LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

THEN THE AUDACITY….

the day after his state of the union speech

he goes to a REPUBLICAN RETREAT.


The same ones who   have torpedoed
every progressive move Capitol Hill makes,

and will continue to even if he talks to them
until the cows come home!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment

One of these good bloggers and their are many,,

gave a   good quote the   other day.

I believe it was from Debs,  not sure on that

I WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR SOMETHING I BELIEVE IN
AND LOSE,

THEN TO VOTE FOR SOMETHING I DON’T BELIEVE IN
AND WIN.!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

True digger3 In my belief you made a very

very,  good choice with your   vote..


I agree , he is   a   liar,  I am just stating
a few things that he didn’t lie about

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:18 pm Link to this comment

he didn’t lie   about the   fact that he   was

going   to   continue   to pander to the   rich

Cubans living   in   Florida   and   continue

the repressive   policies towards   that poor

island nation   that   we   have undermined for

how   many   years now??

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t about   the   fact   that he was

going   to   keep Palistinians in concentration
camps…..or

that   he   was   going to   make   a cheif
benificary of AIPAC   his Chief of Staff

Or the   fact   that   anyone who challenged
this would be   labeled ANTI SEMETIC

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By truedigger3, January 30, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

Re:By ofersince72, January 30 at 3:28 pm #

The only thing Obama didn’t lie about is escalating the war in Afghanistan and possible expanding it to Pakistan and possibly Iran. Everything else he lied about and gave false promises.
I didn’t vote neither for him nor McCain. I voted for Cynthia McKinney.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

I know why,  you   don’t have to tell me!!!

Because to effect   alll the   changes we desparetly need in   this   land   is going to
change our leisure lifestyle.  So   lets TALK
change….and keep things the same…...

and offer up   a   candidate that will give
you   your

  FEEL   GOOOD   VOOOTTTEEEE.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

My question is….......

No, no ....HE DIDN’T LIE…

SO WHY DID YOU SUPPORT   HIM???????????????

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

He did make us   believe   that   his response

to   disasters   would not   be   in   the   form

of   machine   guns as   Katrina was.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

i believe he did incinuate if not lie

about our Public School system…..

Why some schools are rubble ,kinda like Haiti
and four blocks away a shrine.
or I   don’t   believe he lied about the fact
that this system   is   going   to   remain
funded   very   unequally.  or did he????

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t lie   about the fact that   he

wasn’t going   to make   it   an issue that

so   many   young black   men   are being

incarcerated.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about the fact that it doesn’t

bother him   to see   a three year old’s

head fifty feet away from its body because

of a drone attack.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

hE didn’t lie when he had his Justice Dept.

file charges on that very brave and intelligent

young college student from Utah.


This young man should have been made an
example of just how we do want our young to
be involved.

Not an   example of   how hard our govt. comes
down   on   a   very bright young man exposing
illegal activity by our government

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

I believe he did lie about stopping

MOUNTAIN TOP REMOVAL

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about the fact that he wasn’t
going to make election reform a priority.
or sponser any legislation for this.  Make all
our voting machines the same. A less primitive
way of counting votes.
He didn’t lie about not leading a campaign
BEFORE, the supreme court handed down their decision
Not a lame response after the fact.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

I am so glad that you   believe in the DEMS

They have a   great track   record !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

HE WAS VERY HONEST IN BELIEF OF

BUSINESS AS   USUAL

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about his support of

NAFTA,  AND   GAFTA.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about the fact that he still
believes the best job creation programs are
spreading more concrete,  knocking down more trees
to do this.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

I agree…......HE IS NOT A LIER.

JUST ANOTHER DIRTY FANCY TALKING IVY SHEEPSKIN
CORPOCRAT THAT HAS HELPED STEAL THIS COUNTRY
FROM   THE   CITIZENS   FROM   A LONG   SUCCESSION
OF THE   SAME.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

He was very honest about his belief in the
PATRIOT ACTS. Even put one of its authors as
Attorney General.

He was very honest about his support of wiretapping
innocent citizens.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

As a matter of fact,,,,  I believe he made it
evident from the getgo that he was just another
Democrat Corpocrat….

He was very honest about this.
He was very honest about wanting to expand
nuclear energy.

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

He didn’t lie about the fact that his health care
proposal was a lock in for the ins. companies,

just refused to unveil it before the elections.

It always had a cloud over it..  he never described
just what it was.

No lie there either…

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By ofersince72, January 30, 2010 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

I believe all offering defense to the Dems are
weak…
However,  he didn’t lie about expanding military
complex spending or escalating resource wars.
He was very to the point on this.
HE also didn’t lie about being wishy-washy of just
when our illegal occupations and genocides would
come to an end.

He didn’t lie about the types of people that he
would be sourouding himself with in his cabinet.
However,  would you have still voted for him
if you knew he was keeping Gates,  putting Wall Street bankers in charge of policing Wall Street?
I agree there are many things he didn’t lie about.
All these things are the things that should have told
you not to vote for him !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By RAE, January 30, 2010 at 9:51 am Link to this comment

I’m really getting fed up with those who offer only broadside ravings and no supporting FACTS.

To what purpose is the following posted?

“ITW,

But I have been listening to him for more than 1.5 year, and more important I have been looking for what he is doing.
The result, is that I have been listening to continuous lies and bullshitting and seeing him doing nothing or breaking every promise he has made to us.!! “

Please LIST the “continuous lies and bullshitting”.

Please LIST all the broken promises (will need exactly what he specifically promised to or accomplish and by when, and exactly how he’s failed to deliver by the due date).

Please LIST the President’s activities - you know - where he’s just been silently hiding in the Oval Office “DOING NOTHING.” (Any one week during the past year will do as an example - no need to detail the whole year.)

I’m assuming that before you libel a person you have FACTUAL EVIDENCE to support your allegations. I mean no one in their right mind would call the President, or anyone else, a liar, bullshitter, con man and bone lazy without having real evidence at hand to support the claims. To do so leaves a person wide open to a law suit, doesn’t it? At very least it sure marks the writer as a complete fool.

This continuous and malicious defamation of the character of those whom we ELECT is a malignant disease that, left unchecked, serves only to ruin any possibility that things will improve. There are legal ways to impeach effectively and honorably. Airing your ignorance in forums like this isn’t one of them.

The President has at least 3 more years in office. I don’t suppose it’s crossed your mind that to attempt to hamstring his every effort to get something done only makes matters worse?

Why not pick another sport?

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By Dubyar, January 30, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Johncp,
  You state, “The only problem is, Obama has already done so much damage to this country, during the first year,...”. Would you be so kind as to list some of the damage he has done. I have heard this type of empty rhetoric time and again without any specific facts to back it up. Sure, he’s made some mistakes. Catastrophic (my term) damage to the Nation? I just don’t see it. Maybe I’m blind or naiive but then I’m asking you to educate me. Here’s your chance to convert a fence sitter.

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By ardee, January 30, 2010 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

Virginia777, January 30 at 2:13 am

Yet another in a series of ignorant posts containing nothing of value and only betraying your own character flaws…congrats again.

If you have nothing at all to add why say anything?

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By truedigger3, January 30, 2010 at 1:22 am Link to this comment

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ITW,

But I have been listening to him for more than 1.5 year, and more important I have been looking for what he is doing.
The result, is that I have been listening to continuous lies and bullshitting and seeing him doing nothing or breaking every promise he has made to us.!!

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By johncp, January 29, 2010 at 11:26 pm Link to this comment

V777
I’m perfectly willing to give Obama good grades for his stellar performances with teleprompters, and today’s confrontation with the repubs. The only problem is, Obama has already done so much damage to this country, during the first year, that I’m not willing to pay tribute to him now, for the few positive things he “seems” to be doing.  It occurs to me, that we ought to be taking that perspective on our president, which reflects the consequences of his actions (or in-action) taken by the most vulnerable and most hard hit of his victims: the jobless, the homeless, etc. who number in the tens of millions.  They’re not his victims, you say?  You mean to say, Obama could not have reduced the crippling and monstrously huge defense budget enough, to give some relief to those being trampled upon in our economy?

It seems to me a perfect strategy for a hustler.  Come in with extravagant and deceitful promises and priorites, then, once in office, quickly betray nearly all you’ve promised, give trillions to the rich and powerful, continue, and in some cases, to worsen the wars, funding for those wars, and other monstrous acts against political prisoners, torture, etc., then, having done the worse, spend the rest of your term with giving glowing speeches, and seeming confrontations with the bad guys (i.e. those to whom you’ve already capitulated so much, which you did, pretending that bipartisanship was your goal), so as to convince your politically ignorant supporters and other “believers” in the general public, that you’re on their side.  I’m not prepared to believe, that Obama was ever interested in bipartisanship.  I simply can’t believe that he was dumb enough to believe that it was possible, especially with the current whack jobs in the republican party.

Presto, you’re back in office for a 2nd term.  Never underestimate the naivte and gullibility of the American voter.

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By Virginia777, January 29, 2010 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

oh, “wisdom” from the mouth of trolls (ardee)

“Further Ive heard Obama say a lot of things,not a one of which has come to pass as yet”

Don’t like Obama, ardee? and why? doesn’t serve your host’s agenda?

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By Virginia777, January 29, 2010 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

Robert, you didn’t like the State of the Union address? not “enough” for you?

I suppose Obama’s performance today at the GOP issues conference wasn’t “enough” for you either.

Some of us want to mobilize the left.

Others want to create so much negativity around Obama that the left is completely stalled and ineffective.

Choose sides people, set your agenda. Stop it with the bitching.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 29, 2010 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

TD3:

The FACT you are ignoring is what Obama is saying. If you don’t listen or read the transcript then you have NO idea if what he said is bullshit or gospel and which parts are which.

If you don’t know what he said, then you don’t know if he was lying or not.

Naturally, being a cynic and not a skeptic, you merely take the lazy man’s way out and ASSUME it was all lies, without even knowing what it was.

Notice I’m not defending Obama’s speech, or any part of it, merely attacking YOUR refusal to bother to listen to it as deliberate ignorance.

It’s not like ignoring Rush Limbaugh.  That slob is nothing but a paid entertainer who holds NO political office and never has.  But whether it’s Obama or Bush before him, as President what he says actually matters.  If he’s telling it straight it matters, and if he’s lying it matters.  Unlike Rush Limbaugh.

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By truedigger3, January 29, 2010 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind January 29 at 8:48 am.

ITW,

If you are depending on politicians speeches to get your “facts“, then you got to have your head examined.
And hey, this is the state of the union speech and this is not a run of the mill politician. This is Obama with a proven a track record of bullshit artistry and make believe theatrics without any real Substance.
I will not waste your time with going in all what happened last year and its contrast with what Obama promised.  Many people have done that already
and I am sure you had read their articles and posts.
What more facts do you need? The facts are right in front of you, behind you and all around you.!! Are you in a trance?
You are a case study in blind partisanship and the cult of personality.

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By elisalouisa, January 29, 2010 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

As you stated in your January 27 5:51 pm post TAO Walker, Obama certainly is
a “prisoner of his own device”(Hotel California, The Eagles) both physically and
mentally in our global CONcentration camp. You are correct is suggesting that there is no remedy to be had for the problems of theamericanpeople and at the same time suggesting the Medicine needed is indeed the essential Humanity that lies within. However, the amount in some is but a speck for through the
generations it has not been cultivated and the neglect thereof has caused the
illness.  CONcentration on “Individual”-ism has contributed to the lack of
humanity in many of our people; emphasis on the self equals less or no
concern for other humans.
Thanks again for your suggested reading material ‘Ceremony’ by Leslie
Marmon Silko.  As Sherman Alexis said in his review “I am continually in awe of
its power, beauty, rage, vision and violence.” This is one book I shall read
again.

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By RAE, January 29, 2010 at 7:26 am Link to this comment

Hey there ardee… you’re talking through your hat again.

“Yes, let companies fail. The real meat and potatoes of this nations economic health is small business, always has been and always will be.”

“... I was the owner of a small trucking company, am aware of the joy of making profits.”

“The trillion or so that sank into the financial community, and almost without a ripple would have, if invested in small business, in job creation, in rewriting crippling and fraudulent mortgages, solved that crisis forthwith.”

I juxtapose these snippets from your verbiage in what is probably a vain attempt to make a point. In our economic system I believe it is essential that we have BOTH healthy big and small business. Almost all small business I’m aware of, including small trucking companies, earn a large proportion of their income from servicing big business.

So you’re solution is to just let big business fail and to give money to small business which, as I just pointed out, wouldn’t have any business if it weren’t for big business.

Believe it or not, as insignificant as they may be, I have other things to do today than to invest hours engaged in pissing contests on Truthdig. My parting words: either you, I and all the others participating in this adventure in North America begin to genuinely listen to and attempt to understand other points of view, begin to compromise and find other ways to build POWER WITH rather than POWER OVER others, and in that wonderful spirit of cooperation that I know lies in the hearts of most people, work at what needs to be done for the common good - THERE WILL BE NO COMMON GOOD WORTH BOTHERING WITH.

Your choice.

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By ofersince72, January 29, 2010 at 6:34 am Link to this comment

Thats my dissappoinment,  that any clear minded person is disappointed with the Democrats.

You can count on one badly mutilated hand the number
of Democrat lawmakers on Capitol Hill that is worth
being dissappointed over.

I am dissappointed the progressive rags dropped
Nader like a hot potata and fell for the lesser of
evil doctrine again that never has existed.

Nader was one election away from making the point
to the Democrat Party that the progressive vote
is their bread and butter..  He about had them in line.  He cost them the 2000 and 2004 presidential
elections,  this was extremly good for the Democrat
Party, the only real reason Ralph is running.
The progressive rags fell for the DNC trick
of throwing a charismatic glammer boy at the public.
Nader has worked all his life to put the Democrat
Party in the position he had them after the 2004
presidential elections and progressive rags wiped
40 years of hard honest work to make the Democrat
Party have ears to the few intellectual pudits that
actually does have the under-educated, poor, middle
class, minoritys, blue collar, union worker, gay,
dogs , wildlife, plants, trees, crickets, lightning
bugs, worms, babies, puppies, kittens, resources,
education, health care, trains, national forests,
a social security net, rivers, peace, culture, friends, social justice, teachers, fire trucks,
good police, honest intelligence agencies,
an uncorrupt Veterans Administration, and a bunch of
other good stuff that DEMOCRATS HAVE NEVER, NEVER IN
MY LIFE TIME DELIVERED ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, January 29, 2010 at 6:15 am Link to this comment

I still can’t understand the progressive dissapointment with Obama,  or just what made
progressives believe that the Democrat Party was
going to bring any change to the Bush years.

I would have thought diggers understood this.

We have made it all about Obama,  all that write
on this blog know it is way deeper than just one man.
I believe Obama was just fulfilling a dream of his
since graduating from Harvard.
The Democrats gave all indications from 2006 elections that it would be business as usual.
I really don’t understand progressive dissappoint
ment with the Democrat Party at all.
Mr. Scheer,,,  were you really that surprised with
the Democrats?  How lame to throw out FDRs name.
or LBJ> or JFK or Clinton

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By ofersince72, January 29, 2010 at 6:00 am Link to this comment

whoever the major media label as “unelectable”
thats who you need to vote for…...

not their glammer guy or gal…

hardly any progressive paper came out in support
of Kucinach or Nader.

However,  we are well beyond any electorial fix.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 29, 2010 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

truedigger3, January 28 at 4:58 pm #

Re:By RAE, January 28 at 9:37 am #

I watched ten minutes of the speech and then turned the damn TV off.!!!
How about that.??

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IOW: “My mind’s made up. Don’t confuse me with facts!”

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By ofersince72, January 28, 2010 at 10:27 pm Link to this comment

lIECATCHER…i liked your interpretation of TAO

He certainly seems to be a giant amongst us

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By Ouroborus, January 28, 2010 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

RAE, January 28 at 11:45 am
You probably won’t see this; but, I put a smiley after
my Saturday Night Live insult. I guess you’re too young
to have seen it. My bad attempt at a little humor.
In any event; towing the company line will only get you
more company; and bad company at that.
If you can’t see what’s going on right in front of your
eyes then there is just no hope you’ll wake up any time
soon; so sad, too bad. Peace.

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By liecatcher, January 28, 2010 at 7:03 pm Link to this comment

The Sorry State of the Union

TO: TAO Walker, January 28 at 5:53 pm

Definitions of civilized:

adjective:  marked by refinement in taste and
manners
adjective:  having a high state of culture and
development

–adjective
1.  having an advanced or humane culture,
society, etc.
2.  polite; well-bred; refined.
3.  of or pertaining to civilized people: The
civilized world must fight ignorance.
4.  easy to manage or control; well organized or
ordered

These dictionary definitions help the descendents of
the original
genocidal settlers think that the indigenous people
they slaughtered
were savages & of no consequence. The rest of the
population, not
counting the illegals, grew up watching westerns
depicting indians
as savages, except, of course, Tonto.
Now that America has been enslaved by the MASTERS OF
THE
UNIVERSE, along comes TAO Walker, reaching out to
help the ignorant
masses to perhaps avoid their own genocide. The
undereducated
as well as the uneducated bigots might use the mother
prefix word, &
others might simply say how dare this arrogant
condescending savage
tell us how to live. The reality is that people don’t
change, they are
easily brainwashed & rendered dependent on others for
sustenance,
and survival,the ideal prey for the predators
exploiting them.
Disrespecting mother earth will prove fatal rather
than the source of
their salvation.

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By Ouroborus, January 28, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

RAE, January 28 at 11:45 am

Hasn’t anybody ever told you; don’t bring a knife to a
gun fight?

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By Go Right Young Man, January 28, 2010 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

I’m with Mr. Sheer in regards to the president being well intentioned.  Yet I’m simultaneously well past tired of the condescension while almost constantly being told that most people are too simple, and/or stupid, to grasp President Obama’s “nuanced” speeches, interviews and public events.  I offer a single example from the many.

In his State of the Union speech the president stated that his administration has “excluded all lobbyists from policy positions and Federal Boards and Commissions”

It offends me that a team of researchers, speech writers, the Chief of Staff (along with his staff), and the President himself thought this would fly straight.  I am disturbed that the president was able to say this with eagerness and earnestness.

I suppose it may depend on what the definition of “is” is(?).

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By ofersince72, January 28, 2010 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

I am still puzzeled though,  if the planet says
OK human earthlings,  I will abide by your funny
treaty, 2degC.

Just how much more evaporation will that translate
into?  Seems like it would be bunches and bunches
more.  What happens to that H20????

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By ofersince72, January 28, 2010 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

offtopicagain..webeatitodeath

could someone please tell , on that treaty that never
got signed in Copenhagen, the one that they were
squabbling about whether or not they were going to
sign a limit to 1.5degC or 2degC rise in temp,,

just how were they going to do that????????
Was the planet going to have to sign that treaty also?
Has anybody seen the physics models that says that
this can be done??  I would love to see them.

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By johncp, January 28, 2010 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

In reality, whatever progress our nation makes, is, inevitably, incremental.  This has little to do with the political outlook of our leaders.  It’s due, almost entirely to the nature of things.  But what politicians can do, is destroy what increments of progress we’ve been able to achieve.  Bush did that, Obama continues to do it, I believe, because he simply doesn’t know how not to do it, he’s crippled, thunderstruck by the
monumentality of the task.  Obama seems a man entirely seduced by power.  How else does an individual, completely inadequate to the task, enter the presidency, only to be bowled over by the staggering complexities he’s stuck with?  I suppose they’re all seduced by power, but rarely “entirely” seduced by it.  Obama was led by the nose, by clever and powerful folk, who instructed him to say anthing that got him the presidency, or to subtly make the little truth he spoke, clear only to the politically savvy.  A man of any substantial character, would have said no. Obama will simply languish, royally, in the Oval Office, while millions of our citizens are pulverized by his blindness.

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By ardee, January 28, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

Oh Rae, transparency as an unabashed centrist speaks to your courage but not your acumen I fear. That you deal with outright insult, not to me I thank you, but to others, and unjustly demanding proof of the obvious. Might as well ask for proof the sun rises in the east.

If you expect a government free from some degree of “corporate control” you’re dreaming in technicolor! It ain’t ever going to happen.

Why on earth do you make a necessary goal impossible? That such corporate control robs the vast majority of this nations population is moot, do you really need proof of this?  Also, while you demand proof of others, you offer none of your own.

Look to the current economic crisis for all the proof you should need. The trillion or so that sank into the financial community, and almost without a ripple would have, if invested in small business, in job creation, in rewriting crippling and fraudulent mortgages, solved that crisis forthwith.

When the thrust of govt. is the maintenance of the priviledged few one should never say impossible, one should truly ensure its demise.

Re “corporate welfare” whatever you mean by that. I heard Mr. Obama clearly state that strict controls were to be placed on those institutions that were bailed out last year and that those funds are expected to be paid back in full. What “welfare?” Corporations, large and small, are the economic engine of the nation. YOUR economic health is directly tied to theirs. What exactly is your problem here? You’d rather see them go belly up and put more millions on the dole?

Yes, let companies fail. The real meat and potatoes of this nations economic health is small business, always has been and always will be. The real failure is the failure to prosecute, the failure of bought and paid for legislators filling every bill with pork that benefits already insanely wealthy old white guys. The same politicos who go on to six and seven figure retirement careers as lobbyists for those rich white guys.

Further Ive heard Obama say a lot of things,not a one of which has come to pass as yet.

“corporate profit and war.” A business of any size that doesn’t make a profit doesn’t stay in business. But, of course, you know that. I think “profit” somehow remains a dirty word in your mind. However, unbridled capitalism is a horse of a different color.

Nonsense and you know it. Corporations incur huge, billion dollar debts routinely and are bailed out in much less blatant ways all the time. Those debts that matter are the ones incurred by we th epeople and our children,  and their children. If your statement was true Goldman Sax, AIG et al would be gone today..Get real Rae. As to my thoughts on profit,  I was the owner of a small trucking company, am aware of the joy of making profits. But usury that brings down an economy should not be so dismissed by you…shame on you.

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By TAO Walker, January 28, 2010 at 1:53 pm Link to this comment

.....and the beat-down goes on, using the fatal weaknesses of “civilized individuals” to CON them into beating each other into submission….to the wills of their tormentors.  Yearlings in feedlots also take-out their anguish and frustration on their steer ‘n’ heifer companions in captivity….instead of on the two-legged tool in the 1-ton truck doling-out the doctored ‘feed’ that fattens ‘em up for the meat-packers, but they’ve got a lot better ‘excuse’ for that than their domesticated Human kin. 

The Bovine livestock are not complicit in their own degradation, nor do they have even an inkling of the huge apparatus in-place to render them into Big Macs….for the fun and profits of boards-of-directors.  Nobody here who can compose a coherent sentence in English deserves that kind of ‘pass.’

If you can ‘talk’ about the damned CONtraption, you oughta be able to see it for what it is.

HokaHey!

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By sharonsj, January 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm Link to this comment
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Listen, I didn’t see the speech either.  I refuse to sit through ANY politician’s speech.  What they say doesn’t mean shit to me, it’s what they do that counts.

When Obama and Congress go after the banksters, the health insurance companies and the war contractors, and bring all the troops home, then I’ll take them seriously.

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By johncp, January 28, 2010 at 1:28 pm Link to this comment

Truedigger3
I understand your problem too, digger.  The universal success held by the Clintons enrages you, and everytime you hear their name mentioned in a favorable manner, you feel compelled to punish the writer.  But what I can’t understand, is why you say nothing about the 10 or so posts that mentioned Clinton (husband or wife) during this last debate, in mostly uncomplimentary words.  You’re a Clinton hater, which is why you only react when the Clintons are honored, but never when they’re demeaned.  You’re a nitwit, and there’s nothing that can be done about it.
But, I’ll continue to defend the Clinton’s with one post, every time 10 posts are written against them.  If this riles you up and makes you anxious and nervous, I suggest that “you” take appropriate medications.

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By truedigger3, January 28, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

RAE wrote:
“Well, ardee, I am surprised by your response.

“This administration is wedded to corporate control, corporate welfare, corporate profit and war, endless war.”

PROVE IT.”
___________________________________________________

RAE,

Are you mentally challenged?.  Are you following what is going on? Are you smoking some weird stuff that is clouding your awareness and thinking?.  May be you are brain-washed and cann’t let go of the “HOPE”??.
I am baffled and dumbfounded.!!!!???

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Re: By johncp, January 28 at 8:17 am #


You still have your Clinton fixation. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

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By truedigger3, January 28, 2010 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

Re:By RAE, January 28 at 9:37 am #

I watched ten minutes of the speech and then turned the damn TV off.!!!
How about that.??

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By johncp, January 28, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

RAE
You can make apologies for Obama, all you like, and many will agree, that Obama faced truly daunting problems coming into office.  But you can’t also try to create the impression, that he would have overtaken his opposition during the nomination procedure, had he given us an even half straightforward appreciation of his true nature, of his spinelessness, of his deceifulness.  A person is what they are, and we can’t complain about it.  But when they get the presidency, based entirely on lies, we have every right to complain in the bitterest terms.  The man is a complete fake.

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By Hulk2008, January 28, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

To Ouroborus:

Many kudos to RAE for a straightforward comment, not to mention fending off your unprovoked ad hominem assault.  What a potty-mouth !
Since you are out-of-country, you can just apologize to RAE and tell the US and Big O thanks for saving your ungrateful butt once again this last year.

To Big Jess:

Basically your premise that McCain would have been “better” is that he would have been a do-nothing this last year.  Not sure the US could have stood an entire extra year in the financial cesspool.
My 401k is covered in doo-doo but at least it still exists.

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By Dubyar, January 28, 2010 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

Way to go RAE! Don’t take that crap! President Obama said it straight up…the Bush administration left the U.S. in pretty bad shape economically and geo-politically. FACT. Obama also never promised that HE could rectify that situation himself. He did promise to try to create a political climate/discourse that would be different from the past Administration’s.
  There is plenty of blame to be spread around as to who did what and when, etc…Obama was given a mandate for CHANGE and is trying his best to do that. There has always been and always will be, philosophical differences in how to best approach a solution to any problem. The American voters chose Obama because they believed that his method was best.
  With the obstructionism from BOTH parties in Congress, it has not proven to be an easy task and has not resulted in much concrete change. That does not mean that those who voted for him should give up now! It took something like 6 years to get the 13 Colonies to agree on the wording of the Constitution. New ideas and ways of doing business do not happen overnight. It will take a concerted effort to correct the ills of the past 30 years and we will be lucky if the tide has turned by the end of Obama’s first 4 years.
  The ONLY way to improve our situation is through compromise and negotiation by Conressmen and women who are dedicated to moving forward and not backward. By putting aside the petty bickering over individual or Party power struggles. By doing what is best for America! It happened in the 1780s and it can happen today.

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By Stencil, January 28, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

I’m going to continue to vote for Cynthia McKinny if she keeps running.

Why do the cynical thing and vote for the democratic party? Cynthia is change I can believe in.

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By RAE, January 28, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

To: elisalouisa, January 28 at 11:56 am

I’ve seen nothing posted by either of them that amounts to more than unsupported assumptions and glib opinions. I too am full of mouthy opinions which, if I feel like posting them, I try to remember to use the phrase “in my opinion” or “in my view.”

Many posting here state such things as this as FACT: “Obama vanished deep inside the Presidential bubble after the inauguration and hasn’t been seen since. (Kestral). I don’t know what planet this writer’s been on but Obama has visited a dozen or more stages around the world and spoke of his ideas and visions for change on radio and TV. “Vanished?” Kestral wrote nonsense bereft of truth.

Or this priceless bit from Hank of Nebraska: “I would say that Obama has achieved what George W. could not achieve, which is to completely disarm progressive opposition to the continued dominance of the neoliberal corporate regime.” Again, such statements made AS FACT, without a shred of supporting documentation, are simply the bullshit ravings of ignorant, prejudiced loudmouths.

And I just love this from Liquor Store Larry: “Obama is a disease.”

I swear you could elect GOD with a majority of 100% of the votes, and there would still be millions airing their ignorant prejudices on sites like this one. What a waste of time.

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By Jim Yell, January 28, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment
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Obama still presents well on t.v., but it is too obvious at this point that he is right of center politically. All of his supposed beliefs in good government were only postures to pave way to his Presidency. He is perhaps more Calvin Coolidge, than FDR.

I accepted Obama, as I did Clinton as the best option we had at the time. I voted for Obama, because the Clinton’s in my opinion had proven themselves to be opportunistic and right of center.

Imagine my disappointment when he made up his government of retreaded Clintonistas and leaned towards Bush’s disasterous foriegn entanglements.

Things are getting strange as Republicans are being allowed to present themselves as the force of change. It is their disasterous policies that are being ocntinued and in fact are destroying the country. Go to Haiti to see our future.

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By elisalouisa, January 28, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

Wonders never cease. Someone that actually believes what Obama is saying. 
Ardee and Ourorborus are right on. RAE.

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By RAE, January 28, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

Hey, Ouroborus, January 28 at 9:59 am ...

Other than you accusing me of being an “ignorant slut” I have no idea of what you’re wailing on about.

However, I do admit, that many decades ago, I perhaps, by some standards, might have been perceived as an ignorant slut. But no more am I ignorant. Guess that just leaves the “slut” part.

Help me out, here. It’s been so long since I’ve “slutted” I can’t even remember who gets tied up!

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By RAE, January 28, 2010 at 7:12 am Link to this comment

Well, ardee, I am surprised by your response.

“This administration is wedded to corporate control, corporate welfare, corporate profit and war, endless war.”

PROVE IT. Not with more of your unsupported assumptions and glib opinions… with authoritative, documented FACTS that clearly support your allegations.

There’s no government on the planet… especially one that’s been subject to “corporate control” for decades such as the USA… that is free from SOME influence by international corporations that, through taxes and other substantial benefits, ENABLE governments to operate. If you expect a government free from some degree of “corporate control” you’re dreaming in technicolor! It ain’t ever going to happen.

Re “corporate welfare” whatever you mean by that. I heard Mr. Obama clearly state that strict controls were to be placed on those institutions that were bailed out last year and that those funds are expected to be paid back in full. What “welfare?” Corporations, large and small, are the economic engine of the nation. YOUR economic health is directly tied to theirs. What exactly is your problem here? You’d rather see them go belly up and put more millions on the dole?

Re “corporate profit and war.” A business of any size that doesn’t make a profit doesn’t stay in business. But, of course, you know that. I think “profit” somehow remains a dirty word in your mind. However, unbridled capitalism is a horse of a different color.

I think banks and corporations that rip off customers and/or the country for excessive profits because by collusion, secret deals, lies, deception, and “just because they can” should be sanctioned and put under public control. I admit that a problem likely exists with SOME corporations, but certainly not a majority. Just how is Mr. Obama personally benefitting from an association with corporations?

And as for war… well, don’t get me started. War is an obscenity that has its roots in the hearts of men. And now that HUGE profits are involved and the entire economies of many nations DEPEND on the Military/Industrial war machines, war is about as inevitable in the foreseeable future as death and taxes. I heard Mr. Obama clearly state that all fighting troops would be pulled from Iran this year, thus ending, I assume, one of the two wars THAT WERE NOT OF HIS DOING.

President Obama is ONE MAN trying to turn a herd of stubborn, anachronistic elephants (many of whom collect huge profits from maintaining the status quo) who are dead set against him and his ideas right from the get-go. It is NOT “tomorrow” - it still the early morning of tomorrow and you have the audacity to get on his case at this early date. You remind me of that madding crowd of fickle sports “fans,” yelling at the referee, “knowing” how to coach the teams far better than those who are doing it.

A non-stop mouth beaking off about this stuff IS part of the problem. If you have constructive suggestions to make as to how your President can accomplish the goals he set out in the campaign, and if you are willing to help him get there, then let’s hear it.

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By Ouroborus, January 28, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

ardee, January 28 at 9:50 am

Not sure, but if your post is a response to RAE’s
comment on my comment; thanks. You get it.
Ya see; that’s why America is doomed. Ya’ll just can’t
get your shit together. You’re yelling at each other
like Radar and the CO Blake in MASH. The difference is;
they understood each other and got shit done asap!
We’re/you’re in the land of Babel; everybody’s talking
but nobodies understanding!

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By Ouroborus, January 28, 2010 at 5:59 am Link to this comment

RAE, January 28 at 9:37 am
You ignorant slut! smile You don’t know me OR where I’m
coming from.
Your assumptions say way more about you than me.
I don’t even live in your dying country, but I did
have great hopes as did many.
Your president has done an admirable job of selling
out his constituency to the enemies of every American
who doesn’t make up the top 25% of the population.
Just what are you so outraged about? Just what are
you defending? The status quo?
Are you part of the elite?
Oh yeah, and extra judicial killings? He’s out Bushed
Bush; how bout them apples?
If that’s okay with you, then go suck an egg and
please don’t waste your time responding to my post?
Peace bro; wink

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By ardee, January 28, 2010 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

RAE, January 28 at 9:37 am

Rather a harsh assessment, especially considering the history of that worthy’s posts here. I understand the divisive and explosive nature of political discourse, and succumb to it in far too many instances, but you condemn an ally here, and rather needlessly I think.

I confess that I began to watch that speech and couldnt get more than fifteen minutes or so into it before turning off the TV. I guess that makes me an enemy of progress as well in your eyes. But I have heard his rhetoric enough times these past few years, both pre and post election, to recognise that the pretty words are never, ever backed by deeds.

You note the obvious fact that Obama was elected, and received enthusiastic support for his grand plans and his promise for tomorrow. Well, RAE, it is tomorrow, and the promise has faded to lies and ineptitude. This administration is wedded to corporate control, corporate welfare, corporate profit and war, endless war. Is that what you voted for I wonder? Is that what Barack Obama the candidate promised?

There comes a time for reassessment, RAE, your time is now.

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By johncp, January 28, 2010 at 5:41 am Link to this comment

GLIDER
So, am I to understand, that virtually “all” the democrats voting to give Clinton this 60% approval rating, and who had years to evaluate his judments and votes, were incapable of seeing the folly of his ways?  If this “folly” didn’t unravel until it had the benefit of “W” to bring it to fruition, perhaps it was’t felt during
Clinton’s tenure, because it didn’t have the damaging effect on the population of our country, actually living with Clinton’s politics.  I lived during that period, I was poor, and my joy would be endless, if we could have the Clinton period back.  Why is it, that you Clinton haters have a never ending appetite for anything that demeans him.  Could it be, that his approval rating had nothing to do with the stupidity and blindness you seem to think, afflicted the people of our country during his tenure, but was an outcome of the many “benefical” accomplishments that any fool can find, if he looks for them.  Isn’t Clinton entitled to make errors?  Why is it, that Clinton is not permitted to have made the same errors that “all” other presidents made, including the best of them? Why is he singled out for this bullshit?  I still say, and each day in this country, deepens my conviction, that Clinton demonization was, and remains, a main-stream-media goal, that also was responsible for Hillary’s sudden dip in her polls, though, I continue to insist that she “won” the popular vote against Obama.  Media have been out to “get” the Clintons from day one.  It’s no small accomplishment of Hillary’s, that she stated as much on TV, the very medium most responsible for the vicious hatred directed at her and her husband.  It’s this constant media pounding that Clinton and Hillary received that has made its way into the psyches of enough democrats, that should have known they were being manipulated by the boob tube, that has led to the consequences we see today.  The Clintons are attacked from all sides, with a venom that is unequalled and baffling, until you realize that it’s “conditioned” demonization that we’re witnessing.

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By RAE, January 28, 2010 at 5:37 am Link to this comment

“I haven’t seen or heard the speech.”

Nice going, Ouroborus. Announce your ignorance right up front. Helps the rest of us to sift those postings worth reading from those that aren’t. I, for one, don’t need to hear from any more people that choose to hold fast to their prejudices and remain part of the problem rather than apply a little intelligent analysis and perhaps even offer suggestions to make things better.

Like it or not, your fellow Americans ELECTED Barak Obama to lead your country for four years. To refuse to even listen to his assessment of the situation and reasons for it and to otherwise obstruct him in the execution of his duty in every way possible is, in my opinion, a treasonous attitude.

You and your kind are far more of a threat to the future of America than all the members of al Quaida put together.

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By Ouroborus, January 28, 2010 at 5:10 am Link to this comment

I haven’t seen or heard the speech; I just couldn’t
bear to listen to anymore rhetoric from Mr. Suave and
articulate. His abuse of his language abilities via his
sophistry is just overwhelming.

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By glider, January 28, 2010 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

johncp
Perhaps because the full negative effects of his deregulation betrayal and NAFTA were yet to be felt.

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By johncp, January 28, 2010 at 4:17 am Link to this comment

As the official Clinton defender on this list, I just want to ask a question of all those that sent a post about Obama’s State of the Union bullshit, and also gave the impression that Clinton was, somehow, a disaster for this country.    The question is, why did Clinton “LEAVE” office, with a 60% approval rating?

I’m waiting.

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By Russian Paul, January 28, 2010 at 3:33 am Link to this comment

sorry about the italics, let me try and fix it…

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By Russian Paul, January 28, 2010 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

There is no doubt that Obama and his party represent the lesser evil, but…[/]

Hahaha! No doubt?! In what way is this administration lessening any evil except in
appearance? The coup in Honduras, the developing wars in
Yemen/Pakistan/maybe even Somalia, huge expansion of Afghanistan, putting
Clinton/Bush in charge of a militarized Haiti, continued assassination/drone
attacks/paramilitaries (mercenaries)/rendition/torture/indefinite detention,
continued support of apartheid in Israel, all our $ gone to Wall
Street/corporations, and most insulting of all, SELLING OUT ON HEALTHCARE - the
state of our union is shit and Obama knows it. This is the same evil, but with a
friendlier face.

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By Not One More!, January 28, 2010 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

Obama is a well spoken, clear thinking person.

And that is why his charade is so damaging. He betrays the very people that are praising the speech.

His policies are not benefiting anybody other than the corporate rich, and damaging to not only progressives, but to the survivability of our species.

Literally, people are dying because of the corporate monster not having any limit. Our politicians and military don’t follow the law (much less common decency), and intentionally act in ways that benefit the corporate elite at the expense of the general pubic.

And Obama at the helm is their best salesman.

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By liecatcher, January 27, 2010 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

BUSH3’s SOTU PROPAGANDA BOVINE EXCREMENT

“The Sorry State of the Union” continues to worsen.

His speech was filled with more lies, deceptions,
empty promises, & fecal vomiting. IOW,more of
the same, business as usual, extending his hope
bridge to nowhere for those still blind because
they refuse to see.

“Democracy in America Is a Useful Fiction” & a
deadly hoax designed by the elitist slave owning
founding fathers to give the commoners a choice
of who they want to control them. Majority rule,
as long as we the sheeple pick from the slave owners
carefully crafted menu. These ROYALS who came
over from England to establish a new colony have
succeeded. The sun will never set on British soil as
long as Bush3 continues perpetual wars, & 300
million slaves wait for a messiah.
James Bond, 007, is now in America, & still licensed
to kill, except now he doesn’t report directly to
“M”, but liaises with the CIA & Joint Special
Operations Command (JSOC).

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By Michael, January 27, 2010 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment
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Depecdh Mode lays out the president’s current situation. He would have been awesome during status quo days, but not in an emergency, like now. Depeche Mode knows:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bsXOcK9_Cw

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By gonzgunner, January 27, 2010 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment
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@BobZ-A shout out to you for the proper analysis of what was involved with all the bailout shenanigans. AIG had their tentacles in nearly every part of the US and worldwide financial markets, and the bailout had to be done, namely because of the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, which would have prevented AIG from even thinking about operating as they did in the first place.
  You are also correct about how the Democrats should take the reins and start governing, and DARE the GOP to filibuster. They are the minority party, and they are dictating the terms of the game nonetheless. Very sickening, but the Democrats are allowing it to happen with nary a look over the shoulder.
  The whole “teabagger” movement is rather silly. All that they are are paid GOP loudmouths, akin to bobbysoxers paid to swoon over Frank Sinatra back in the day. I was reading about one teabagger organization who wanted Sarah Palin to be their keynote speaker at some rally. That got quietly flushed down the toilet because they couldn’t afford to pay her speaking fee, which is in the $100,000 range. They are typical of the ordinary working people who fall for the whole GOP mantra, hook, line, and sinker about how life is so hard for the rich and powerful. They are the Know Nothings of this day and age.

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By ofersince72, January 27, 2010 at 10:33 pm Link to this comment

I am skeptical cynic…..everything inside the beltway

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By Inherit The Wind, January 27, 2010 at 9:40 pm Link to this comment

Never fails to amaze me how all the cynical know-it-alls who couldn’t analyze their way out of an unlocked room, play with their mental blocks and call me a naive idiot.

I’m nothing of the sort. Unlike all of you, however, I am a skeptic, not a cynic.  I only know the questions, not the answers, which you all assume you know.

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