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Posted on Aug 2, 2011
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Employees on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange watch President Obama’s speech before he signed the bill raising the debt limit. Despite the deal, the stock market stumbled again Tuesday, with the Dow slipping below 12,000.

By Robert Scheer

The die has been cast. Obama’s “nearly complete capitulation to the hostage-taking demands of Republican extremists,” as an editorial in the normally sedate New York Times described the deal to raise the debt ceiling, is a disaster in the making. It rules out a vigorous government response to the persistent economic stagnation in which joblessness, housing foreclosures and an ever-widening gap between the top 2 percent and the rest of Americans have become the norm.

But to use the word “capitulation” is too kind, since this president, as was Bill Clinton before him, is clearly one of those “New Democrats” who welcomes the opportunity to jettison the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as outmoded political baggage. Otherwise, why would Obama have reached for a “grand bargain” in which he even put Social Security and Medicare cuts on the table before the Republicans rolled him?

That same opportunistic reasoning got us into the Great Recession, thanks to President Clinton joining with congressional Republicans to destroy the sensible controls on Wall Street greed that FDR had put in place in order to prevent a repeat of the Depression. That was also the rationale of the Clinton alums that Obama appointed to clean up the mess they themselves had created. Instead of worrying about jobless workers and swindled homeowners, they bailed out the swindlers, following the example set by George W. Bush.

Those policies caused the 50 percent run-up of the national debt between 2007 and this week, when the debt ceiling had to be raised. While the trillions wasted made the bankers whole, it did nothing for the 50 million Americans losing their homes or the 20 percent of the workforce that can’t find the full-time employment for which they are qualified. The economy has zeroed out in the past six months, relative to population growth, and in June consumer spending had its biggest drop in two years. The fundamentals are rotten, as reflected in the steep descent of the stock market despite the raising of the debt ceiling.

The Republicans in control of the House excluded such dismal facts concerning the actual state of the economy when they set the terms for the debt ceiling debate, terms the president came to accept. Following the back and forth between Congress and the White House, one would have thought that the recession is over and now is the time to fix extraneous problems that are a quarter of a century up the road, like the baby boomer impact on Social Security. If adults, of either party, had been watching the store, raising the debt ceiling would have been a no-brainer. Instead, the obvious obligation to pay debts that Congress had already incurred was turned into an occasion to wage ideological war on the very idea of government.

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In the end, Obama agreed to major cuts at a time when the government needs to spend more money on extending unemployment insurance, mortgage relief to avoid foreclosures, and support for state budgets so that more teachers and firemen are not laid off. That would put money in the pockets of people who would spend it, rather than continue the tax breaks for the rich and coddling the corporations that are sitting on a $2 trillion surplus they refuse to invest.

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By drbhelthi, August 8, 2011 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

But in the end they are all a variation (many many times
multiplied) of a debt somebody somewhere promised to pay back. It
is not worth, not even really value. Just an IOU cleverly hidden
behind a fancy name.  Marion Griffith

Agreed.  We observe that the Kenyan imposter and pimpery are
doubling the IOU, while removing dollar liquidity of Americans in
socio-economic-strata 3-6. Acceleration of this destruction is
also apparent. 

The “idea” of increasing income, under the current circumstances,
does not attain even fairy tale status.

It is past-time for the patriots in the various services of the
U.S. of America to accelerate corrective action, and remove the
destructionists in U.S. leadership. Removing the leadership of all
3rd world countries, which pose no threat to the U.S., while
supporting the couple who support the U.S. destructionist
leadership, is as fraudulent as the concept of “increasing ones
income.”

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By BR549, August 7, 2011 at 7:43 am Link to this comment

basho, August 6 at 11:23 pm
“The only thing you folks do well is put the blame on someone else. He did it. She did it. BS. You were/are all part of it.”

Well, yes and no. The difference between the politicians and the population is that the average Joe-citizen hasn’t had to actually swear an oath that they would support the Constitution; the politicians did. THAT practice tied the politicians’ behavior to a higher set of social, moral, and ethical ideals that are espoused in nearly every religion or code of civilization and it probably at least partly explains why voters have taken a back seat while Washington has been mired in a cesspool of its own making.

Public service just seems to attract social parasites who feel that if they can just slide in under the wire, they will be taken care of for life. It reminds me of the actions of J. Bruce Ismay aboard the Titannic; just take care of yourself and to hell with convention, dignity, or integrity. As long as they can do so under the illusion of public service, the average person doesn’t bat an eyelash.

I think what happened was that the spiritual integrity of our population has been replaced with this incessant need for speed and production capacity. The average man gets lost in the swarm of scurrying workers and as a result, the family and community ties go to hell, the youngsters have an incessant need to escape the madness and bail out of their once tranquil town, and then we become
surprised at the outcome and actually justify all this to support having to stay on top and in control of the planet.

And all of those slimeballs, who passed themselves off as being able to deal with the problems, are actually only capable of pulling a J. Bruce Ismay on the voters, year after year. Taking that oath means nothing to them.

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By bogi666, August 7, 2011 at 6:03 am Link to this comment
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Obomber’s two campaign slogans. 1st, back to the 50’s, soldiers were paid $80 per month. Ike was a President all USAn,s though. No wars, stood up to the Israeli zionists, the Brits, and the French for their invasion of the Suez Canal.JFK was the last President of the USA. 2nd, give me a $billion and I will give you Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and continue to demean the USAn’s by continuing to strip them of their dignity and treat those who fund the USG with their forced contributions, withholding taxes, by taxing labor. Vote for me ObomberBush for president.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 7, 2011 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

Ayn Rand, in one of her more lucid observations, has one character say:
“Well, if you had a broken leg you’d pay a doctor to fix it”
to which John Galt replies:
“Not if he was the one who broke it!”

Yet the American people are poised to give the nation over to the Right, to the GOP, to the TeaParty with the hope they can fix the broken economy, when they are ones responsible for breaking it.  This last “deal” represents the total breaking of the economy.  It’s not rational to hire these “doctors”, yet that is what will happen.

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By basho, August 6, 2011 at 11:23 pm Link to this comment

The macro is a reflection of the micro.

The only thing you folks do well is put the blame on someone else. He did it. She did it. BS. You were/are all part of it. The endless wars, the gluttonous consumer mentality, the total lack of self-responsibility. The world is our oyster, not. You still don’t get it do you?

What goes around, comes around. All the inane philosophy (BS) on this forum and similar forums only indicates one thing. Most of you are clueless. Dream on. lol

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By Marian Griffith, August 6, 2011 at 3:15 am Link to this comment
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@drbhelthi
—-Debts are lowered by lowering expenditures. Not by increasing taxation. Economics 101.—-

Actually that is economics 55, as it is only half of the truth.
Debt is what happens if you spend more than your income (and you find somebody to cover the deficit for you).

To get out of debt you have to increase your income to below your spending (so you are running a surplus with which you can pay off your debt and interest paid on it).

You can do this by either decreasing your spending or by increasing your income.
Individuals generally have little way to increase their income so they are forced to decrease their spending (which is why we see people hold on to their money and retailers experiencing a prolongued slump and manufacturers not investing and nobody hiring people)
Countries have more options but also have to be more careful with what they chose to do. They can increase their income by raising taxes but too much of that and it will dampen the economy. Most economists (outside of the USA) agree that the USA could increase its average taxes without getting into the danger zone. Many european countries run with a tax(*) of around 60pct without more than a small dampening effect on the short term economic fluctuations. Long term growth is the same or even slightly better than that of the USA. (* this is both income tax and contribution to mandatory government programs like health care insurance, unemployment benefits, state pensions and disability insurance).
Countries can also decrease their spending, but this too can have detrimental economic effects if done too much or for the wrong programs.
They key issue to consider in both approaches is to maintain long term confidence and economic participation for the people. E.g. homeless people do not pay taxes, do not buy anything and generally do not contribute anything to the economy. Pushing too many people into such situation will only aggravate the economic problems. And if too many people fear they may at any moment be reduced to such a state they will equally stop contributing to keeping the economy afloat (by buying things) and instead save up for those lean times.
All that money in savings accounts are making the banks happy because they can use it to invent trillions of dollars and push those across the globe and claim record profits from them, but it does nothing for economic growth or lowering unemployment rates.
And this discrepancy is why we can’t seem to solve the economic crisis. We are still operating under the delusion that the money in the so called financial markets is the same as the money your and I are using. It isn’t. They are different like ‘value’ and ‘worth’. Those billions that are ‘earned’ or ‘lost’ on the market are just numbers; values. The underlying -worth- of the companies does not change by that much 60 times per second.
The worth of a chair is that I can sit on it. I may value it because it allows me to sit comfortably on it, or because it looks beautiful or because I think my neighbours will be impressed by my show of good taste in owning it. We use money to smooth out transactions and delude ourselves that it expresses worth when in reality it expresses value.
And all these financial markets that are increasingly distanced from things of worth the more complicated and mashed up their ‘products’ become are given an importance beyond reality only because the numbers they operate with are so huge. But in the end they are all a variation (many many times multiplied) of a debt somebody somewhere promised to pay back. It is not worth, not even really value. Just an IOU cleverly hidden behind a fancy name.

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By drbhelthi, August 5, 2011 at 1:02 pm Link to this comment

“There is no way in hell that America can lower the debt without raising taxes on both
individuals and corporations.”  Lafayette

America?
Just who is “America”?
Americans had little influence on the debt. And still do not.
Raising taxes on individuals will provide more money for the destructive toys of the few who control the U.S. national debt.

Debts are lowered by lowering expenditures. Not by increasing taxation. Economics 101.

The idea of taxing corporations is a fairy tale.  Leaders of corporations are one element of industry that influence/control the U.S. political machine. Just as they now decline to properly tax themselves, so will they continue. 

No doubt, industry leaders are pleased to hear Americans living in France - or anywhere - propose increased taxation of working Americans. Tax monies will continue to be misused, whether increased or not.  Nor does one have to live in France to comprehend this idea.

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By CuriousYellow, August 4, 2011 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment
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The conservatives had their grip on the handle of government under W and under the Republican dominated Congress in the 90’s.  So what did they do?  They pushed the pedal to the metal and spent the farm and now LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.

Corporate greed rules all.  And automatons like Marie Bartaromo and all of Faux Snooze follow along echoing whatever LIE is needed at the moment to keep the myth going.

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By Lafayette, August 4, 2011 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

IT AINT NECESSARILY SO

LT: It’s apparent that a lot of the readers of this site believe what they were taught in the government schools: that government is the solution, not the problem.

Thanks for a fine example of the kind of Sound-bite Wisdom that is sooooo popular in the US.  Unfortunately, it aint necessarily so and it would help if we thought more deeply about the subject of Government Intervention before spewing such nonsense.

The government has solutions that Private Industry does not - and vice-versa. Each case has different merits and demerits – so it takes careful analysis. But one aspect of our postwar culture has come home to haunt us. It is the following bit of brainless Sound-bite Wisdom: Bigger is Better.

In competitive markets fewer and fewer market-actors, due to market integration, means less competition - which means higher not lower consumer prices.  This is why the Telecoms Carriers, as an example, are so very much more expensive in the US than elsewhere. 

Companies settle into comfortable non-competitive market sharing and tacitly fix prices at certain amounts. There is too little effective price competition. (Ma Bell was broken up as a national monopoly … then made into Regional Oligopolies.)

Of course, that is not true of all markets. But it is very true of one that is important to us all - that is, Health Care.  Ours is (per capita) the most expensive of the developed world. Because other developed countries early on recognized the market for what it was – an oligopoly. That is, a great many Consumers chasing a constrained Supply of service practitioners.  It is the latter that set the prices because they have no competition.

MY POINT

So, let’s not believe all the Sound-bite BS that pervades the media. It makes simpletons of us all, but it does try to convince us of a Great Error – that “Free Markets always get it right”.

Industry would love us all to believe that lie. Free Markets get a lot of market pricing right and when they don’t then, yes, the Government should intervene to provide services important to our well-being.

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By Laurence Tribe, August 4, 2011 at 10:25 am Link to this comment
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It’s apparent that a lot of the readers of this site believe what they were taught in the government schools: that government is the solution, not the problem. It’s also apparent that few readers are aware that our government relinguished the power and authority to coin our currency under Article I, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution December 13, 1913, thus granting control of the nation’s economy to the Federal Reserve, a privately held corpora-tion,an entity that controls the amount of currency in circulation. The goal of the megaBankers is to produce and control a world currency and act almost without detection as the power behind the thrown.

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By Lafayette, August 4, 2011 at 9:37 am Link to this comment

A DARWINIAN NATION

Philosophizing in impractical areas, summarizing with an idea that would further deplete incomes of the lower four socio-economic-strata.

Nice try, but no Kewpie-doll.

Concrete arguments, please, as to why the propositions made are not implementable and a harm to the American public.

There are about 150K American who live in France - one of them a son of FDR - would would differ with you about France. It most certainly has its failings - but it does not cast its people into the Deep Doodoo of a Darwinian Survival-of-the-Fittest.

Look at the Gini Coefficient, which measures the inequality of income or wealth, here. Take, for instance, the UN Gini list and click on the ranking symbol next to it. Up will come the a top to bottom list of countries better and worse off as regards Income and therefore Wealth Distribution. What are all those European countries doing way up on top and what is America doing somewhere in the middle.

Of course, the ranking compares apples and oranges - so take all the third world countries and you still get America at the bottom of the list. Even Canada comes off far better than the US.

MY POINT

Most of Europe has the type of Social Justice of which Americans can only dream. Yes, it is expensive, which is why taxation is higher here in Europe.

But those taxes deliver tangible Public Services not a Toys-for-Our-Boys War Machine.

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By drbhelthi, August 4, 2011 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

“Yes, we do need to get a handle on the Debt – and that means increased taxation whilst shifting from War Expenditures to Peace Expenditures to create jobs.”  Lafayette

Turgid polemics, L.

Perhaps a lot of nothing about much ado.

Philosophizing in impractical areas, summarizing with an idea that would further deplete incomes of the lower four socio-economic-strata. The Kenyan Obama and Zionist-type entourage welcome such ideas. I suspect that Americans who live in the U.S.A., instead of France, do NOT welcome such ideas.

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By David J. Cyr, August 4, 2011 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

All empires eventually end, consumed by the unaffordable expense of their overextended expenditures upon colonization abroad and “security” at home.

When the end of an empire has come, it is better for its people to end it (let it default), and begin to then sensibly and more humbly build a caring and constructive society to replace the rotted corpse of the old designed to be destructive empire.

Only fascists seek to regularly raise the war debt limits to preserve and sustain unsustainable empires as long as they possibly can.

The “Principles” of Liberal Voters:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=1

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By Lafayette, August 4, 2011 at 3:33 am Link to this comment

MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

RS: Obama’s “nearly complete capitulation to the hostage-taking demands of Republican extremists,” as an editorial in the normally sedate New York Times described the deal to raise the debt ceiling, is a disaster in the making.

Turgid polemics, RS.

You were not in the Oval Office hot seat. You were not the PotUS who had to decide between a Bad Deal and a Credit Default that would have Americans paying more expensive credit and mortgages.

The Bad Deal was a better outcome. For a credit-driven nation, a Default is a double-whammy to the economy producing even higher unemployment.

I ask all those pointing the finger of blame at this administration to answer this question:

How would you have explained to the American people that the Debt Default was necessary and Americans accepting higher costs of virtually everything they consume is the way-the-cookie-must-crumble?

Any takers? OK, then answer the question.

SHAKESPEARIAN DRAMATURGY

Absolutely nothing has changed if one looks beyond the cosmetics of this deal. There is no way in hell that America can lower the debt without raising taxes on both individuals and corporations.

The only question is how, how much and when.

VOX POPULI

Furthermore, it would be a Great Undertaking to make this the Prime Political Issue of the 2012 elections. Even a National Referendum on taxation would be a benefit - whereupon we ask the American people that Congress accept legislation that will
* Increase personal taxes beyond 70% (at the threshold of $ level from which Reagan took them down and close deduK) and close ALL deduction loopholes without exception.
* Raise inheritance tax levels from presently 35% of all amounts beyond a threshold of $155K to 70%.
* Introduce a National Value-Added-Tax (to replace state taxes and shared with the state) commonly throughout the US at %, because that tax revenue is far more stable in times of crisis when Stimulus Spending is much needed to get our economy out of the Deep Doodoo as presently.
* Make any changes in the above Tax Reformation subject to a National Referendum.
* Make any surpluses in Tax Revenue go automatically to reducing the American Debt.
* Set a Balanced Budget Horizon to 2022.

POST SCRIPTUM

These are trying times, yes, for many people. But, look at the evolution of GDP:
2007: 14.06T
2008: $14.37T (+2.2%)
2009: $14.12T (-1.7%)
2010: $14.70T (+4.1%)

Is the above indicative of a national economy in free-fall? No way, José.

So, let’s stop all the crying. This nation’s problems is not the economy but the sort of jobs that it can create in order to reduce unemployment.

I suggest that those jobs can be produced by Private Industry working of Government Contracts that establish and implement extensions to Public Services.

Dumb-ass Idea? Well, that is what the DoD does, doesn’t it? All we need do is shift emphasis from War to Peace.

MY POINT: Berserk Bozos

Given the economic performance of this country, there is no way in hell it will Default on its Debt - unless forced to do so by a handful of Berserk Bozos in the HofR. 

Yes, we do need to get a handle on the Debt – and that means increased taxation whilst shifting from War Expenditures to Peace Expenditures to create jobs.

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By Marian Griffith, August 4, 2011 at 12:20 am Link to this comment
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@BR549
—-There were other well qualified candidates, whose only lacking was the big money and the even bigger corrupt connections that it took to be in the “Big Boys’ Club”.—-

This is exactly the problem. There are too many elections coming too often. Representatives are always struggling in an election campaign and when they are not they are struggling to gather funds for the next campaign that is right around the corner.
And since people no longer read and no longer care for independent news it becomes harder and more expensive each year to reach voters. Which in turn leads to 15 and 30 seconds tv ads which can only be filled with trite soundbites and character assassination. De ‘tv debates’ are both scripted and only there so the reporters can present it as a ‘match’ instead of a debate (for bigger ratings boost of course. Match suggests drama and violence while debate sounds staid and ... civilised). Though why anybody bothers anymore is unclear since reporters are required to write along the party lines demanded by their bosses never mind what they really witnessed.
And with how politically segragated and exclusionary news media have become (and the viewers/listeners like it that way because they no longer run the risk of hearing somebody that disagrees with them and might even make them think (the horror!)). The trend is clear and accelerating that republican leaning media will present the republican candidates and point of view and show republican ads, while the democrat leaning media do the opposite, and the country increasingly splits into two groups that have little to nothing in common anymore. I am guessing it is only waiting for a ‘republican football league’ to finalise the split into Republicanistan and Democratistan. We already have half the population rejecting the president (who is supposed to be a unifying figure) because he is not one of ‘theirs’. States are slowly but gradually segragating along political lines (republicans tend to drift out of blue states, democrats drift out of red states), and there is not much left that is shared by both sides of the political spectrum anymore. Maybe a disgust of Washington, and football.

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By drbhelthi, August 3, 2011 at 11:46 pm Link to this comment

“I once, was an Obama supporter…” - faith

“Better late than never” is favorable.

However, being well-informed, and belonging to the group who never
supported Obama is even better. It prevents such things as
DEA SWAT teams breaking into the wrong house; repeatedly, emotionally
scarring children for the rest of their lives. Not to mention the
wholesale violation of laws that the Obama Dept. of Justice has
practiced.

Throwing rotten eggs at the wrong group, even for a short time,
reflects ignorance. And, for those who continue to do it, in spite
of an abundance of evidence, not ignorance but rather, STUPIDITY.
For example, persons who place no value on the Kenyan newspaper
article of 2004, that displays, “Kenyan-born Obama all set for US
Senate,” are shills for the wrong group. 
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/
headlines/news26060403.htm

One wonders if the Chicago crime scene, that slid Obama into the
U.S. Senate, also switched his birthplace from Kenya to Hawaii? 
Or was that switch done by his comrades in the NAZI/Zionist element
of the C.I.A. ? 

And the info that Mrs. Bachmann is also an active supporter of
“Israel” (Zionism) ? 
Yes, becoming informed “better late than never” is very favourable !!!

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By Gerald Sutliff, August 3, 2011 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment
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I’m writing about economic writer Ellen Brown, J.D. and her book Web of Debt.  You need to read it and join the rest of us who understand how phony the Debt Crisis is.  This book will rank up there with Wealth of Nations.  It took me two weeks to absorb and understand its contents.  Hopefully others are smarter that I am.

There’s an OMG on every page and whole lot of “I didn’t know that” or “didn’t see it that way”s. Often times I had to stop, stare at the ceiling while the gears in my head readjusted to newly learned realities.

Ms. Brown need more exposure. American media seems to be boycotting her.  The first time I read her it was in the Asia Times.  And online of course. The op-ed explained why the Fed is paying banks to not make loans to businesses for operating expenses and investments.  Why “Fed” is a misnomer.

Most starting thing I learned from her was how money is created by whom and for whose benefit?  Hint: it you or me.

The book is shocking but it provides serious hope for our economy.  Here’s another hint:  Which state his low unemployment and runs a surplus and has almost no state taxes.  It ain’t Texas.  What else is unique about it?

But I’m getting carried away.

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By Linda Lee, August 3, 2011 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment
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Why is everybody still hung up on the DemoCrites vs Republicons? Why aren’t we in the street protesting by the millions? Do any of you love your country enough to stand up and be counted?While so many of you bicker over basic party line nonsense, the Republic is raping us blind and stupid. Hello! Is anybody home? The lights are out. The whole damned bunch in The Big House and on Capital Hill look like criminals in my book. Only WE TOGETHER can stop them. They certainly do not care about the citizens who they were hired to work for! They do whatever they want by using crisis techniques. The jackasses are ramming elephants full of maggots down the throats of the brain dead citizens and not even a hiccup to be heard. Nobody talks about the New World Order (AKA GLOBALIZATION) which Obama was groomed to lead. Nobody even mentioned the millions of illegal aliens that are raping our system in the debt monster talks. Both parties reek of tyranny and organized corporate crime. Rather than representing us, they would rather steal our social security and undermine our educational system, just to mention 2 things out of hundreds. When the truth comes out in the open, it will be way past too late to stop it. Don’t expect corporate con media to inform you. They would rather report on the drugs in Michael Jackson’s system or Casey Anthony’s whereabouts! The corporate shadow government has a hidden agenda and they are taking us down intentionally. Anyone who thinks otherwise must be drinking too much media cool-aid. The right, left, and especially the Centrists deserve prison in my opinion. Waiting for another “fair election”? Fool! How many more idiots need to get elected before you all get it? How long do you expect to live? I’ll see you in the North American Union if I can stay afloat long enough. By the way, did you receive your invitation to join the NAU yet? I never received mine. Maybe I am too old, over-educated, and overqualified which partly why I can’t get work. The #@%@$#^ have already stole my retirement, my equity, my pride in country and worst of all, my hope. (Not to be confused with “hopenosis”.) Now they are posed to take my social security too which I worked for my entire life. What is next? A forced vaccine that will kill me sooner? No thank you. Wake me up when you all are done with the STUPID bickering and are ready to join hands as American citizens and march on Washington. I have little left and can’t afford the trip but I am furious enough to walk to DC if necessary to help save my beloved country. Where is everybody? When are we protesting?

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By Angel Gabriel, August 3, 2011 at 6:03 pm Link to this comment

Look above and you’ll see what I mean! LOL - wonder why you’re in the shape your
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By David J. Cyr, August 3, 2011 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE, faith:

“I am so surprised that such vitriol can be communicated by some Obama supporters.”
_____________

You wouldn’t be surprised now, if you’d been on the business end of (D) liberals’ decade long ruthless “WASTED VOTE” campaign of voter suppression, in their obedient service to the corporate party.

It was the “nice” liberals who viciously attacked good people who advocated voting against war and for actual healthcare (that would be Single-Payer)... rather than “no-brain” voting for the corporate party’s Democrats to make a “dumb” war become “necessary” wars; make SickCare even sicker; and totally ignore the existential threat of climate change.

It was those “intelligent voter” liberals who insisted that voting against the evil of the corporate (R) & (D) party was no way to ever get good government.

“Democrats are the meanest bunch of motherfuckers I’ve ever come across.”
— James Ridgeway, Washington correspondent for The Village Voice

The “Principles” of Liberal Voters:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=1

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By Angel Gabriel, August 3, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

You wacky American’s are still pointing fingers in a who dunnit contest for
someone to blame! Funny creatures really!  Until you figger out that YOU dunnit
you’re gonna continue to bite the dust. Greed is “Who dunnit” and your incessant
“me first and screw U” attitudes are a clear example of how to destroy yourselves
and the rest of the world with you.
Family’s, communities, country’s excel when they work together for the benefit of
the whole. Obviously you’ve lost the plot - Get a bloody grip and stop killing of
humanity with the gimme, gimme, gimme! Just stop please!

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By BR549, August 3, 2011 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment

Come the 2012 election, if Obama or his puppeteers haven’t orchestrated some media hyped false flag event in order to put this country formally under martial law, we will have the same dog and pony show with nearly the same dogs and ponies, and along with that an endless stream of voters STILL thinking that it would be better to vote for Bachmann over Obama or vice versa. It doesn’t make
any difference; you vote for any one of them and you become part of the problem. Period. So, they will continue to argue about voting along the same myopic path as they had been and wondering why nothing changes.

In ‘92, I knew something didn’t feel right. I disaffiliated from the Republican Party and voted for Perot, and again in ‘96. In 2000, I voted for Hagelin. Most people would say, “Who the hell was he?” He was a particle physicist on the forefront of the development of string theory who also espoused meditation and yoga in the classroom. Had he ever made it to the White house and pulled in an equally conscious cabinet, everything they would have supported would have gone right over the tops of those knuckle-dragging slopeheads in our current legislature. But think of where we might have risen to if we hadn’t been plagued with scum from the Clinton, Bush, and Obama eras.

There were other well qualified candidates, whose only lacking was the big money and the even bigger corrupt connections that it took to be in the “Big Boys’ Club”. Everyone one of them were critical of NAFTA, as was Perot, and every one of them was unceremoniously avoided by the corporate run media, had their parking tickets validated, and politely asked to get the hell off the debate stage. Everyone of them who was against NAFTA was axed; hardly a coincidence.

Back then, everyone did their version of the fear vote; the Dems fearing some military coup by the so-called “Conservative Party” had to marshall all its resources to oust any rebirth of the Weimar Republic that was growing like a noxious weed on the other side of the aisle, while the Repubs fearing a communist takeover had only to mention the terms ‘anchor babies’ and immigrants and every healthy God-fearing grain and bible belt American was ready to take the bait and send their kids off to fight another war for the oil companies, and well, here we are all over again; these people still haven’t learned. Sons have come home in body bags, jobs lost, homes foreclosed upon and they are still blaming the OTHER party for the demise of this country. When are these people going to grow some testicles and stop it with this incessant stupidity? I don’t care if someone votes for Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, Barney Fife, or the Easter Bunny, but ANYONE is better than the direction we are headed in now and all we have seen that has continued to take us there are Republicans and Democrats, in whatever order suits your fancy. The bottom line is, “What more do we have to loose?”

We are long past the point of reinventing EITHER of these parties and they, the parties, know that. They just hope that you, the voters, don’t. I don’t care who you vote for in 2012 but if more people continue to bang their head on the wall as they have in the past, I can guarantee you that on the day after the election, everyone will be reaching for the Excedrin ......... again.

If enough of these independent presidential candidates got together and pooled their supporters as the viable candidates began to dwindle during the debates, this could be done in a snap. Of course then we would see just how desperate Obama would be forced to impose martial law in the days before the inauguration. Mark my words.

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By daniel, August 3, 2011 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment
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My lord.. how can anyone who has been following this debacle come even close to saying it is Obama’s deal? This is not at all what he wanted and he is on recent public record saying so. He was forced into by the conservatives who were holding the economy for ransom.

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By faith, August 3, 2011 at 2:28 pm Link to this comment

Copeland, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  I said something very similar to this
on HuffPo and you cannot believe the comment that I received concerning the
matter (from another commenter).  It was stunningly rude.  I am so surprised that
such vitriol can be communicated by some Obama supporters.  I once, was an
Obama supporter…

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By KBG, August 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment
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Robert,

Though I agree with much of what is stated here you need to get certain facts straight.  Clinton did not side with the financial sector in gutting Glass-Stegal.  In fact he threatened to veto it.  The reason he didn’t veto was because the bill came to his desk supported by a clear 2/3rds majority.  He felt it better to get on with the job of governing then to send it back for a vote that was going to pass it anyhow.

Personally, I would have sent it back and said to the congress “If you want it then you pass it.  It’s not going to be mistaken as a part of my legacy”

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By Seedmother, August 3, 2011 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment
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All tedious and largely meaningless details…We need prosecutions, the criminal
class is running the government, where is Superman?  Where is truth, justice and
the American way?  It’s truly a farce, this red team blue team shit…people, figure
out a way to duck, it’s upon us!

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By Copeland, August 3, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

It’s not that “capitulation” is too kind a word; but that in the strict sense,  it is not
the word that fits. I’ve gotten accustomed to using the word “capitulation” to
describe what Obama does. But I have come to see that this is misleading. Obama
put Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare into the negotiations because this was
his objective. It was by no means a concession, or a capitulation; it was what he
wanted. The republicans didn’t ask; he put it all on the table on his own.

The conclusion is that Obama is not at all the man we thought he was, when we
elected him.

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By Textynn, August 3, 2011 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment
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THE BANKSTERS ARE COMING , THE BANKSTERS ARE COMING!!

Sociopaths are running this country.  They have been
for decades but slowly they have filled enough key
positions that they are in complete control.  They
owned the Right but now they own the so called Left
or Dem party.  Wall Street bankers didn’t suddenly
become Democrats or Progressives.  I can’t say I
realized it, I voted for Obama. But Obama was lying
to us about everything to get elected and the biggest
liars, cheaters, robbers in the world bought and paid
for his campaign.   The same people that have thrown
some 12 million in the streets after cleaning them
out lock, stock, and barrel using the sub prime
mortgage scam. 

(See this link to see what has been censored)
http://prof77.wordpress.com/2010/01/13/googles-
foreclosure-maps-portrays-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-
know-it/ 

The mortgage scam that has tanked the world economy
was not an accident of incompetents. It was a plan to
consolidate the wealth of the lower classes
and indebt them and control them and to have their
signatures in blood. NOW THEY WILL CONSOLIDATE THE
WEALTH OF THE ELDERLY AND THE GREATEST GENERATION WHO
ENJOYED LIVING WAGES before they can pass any of it
on.  

I guarantee you this is their objective.It was the
same Wall Street that ordered the Medical Health CAre
Bill scam that was the biggest turd in the face to
Obama’s voters that could be imagined.  IT is nothing
but a Welfare program which, by the way, has already
been privatized by Wall Street without so much as a
peep to the general public.  Nobody has really
figured that out yet but it is very much the case.
 This plan is about disabling home and property
ownership and the ability to secure retirement
savings .  None of which welfare recipients are
allowed, outside of SS. I GUARANTEE YOU THIS IS THE
FIRST STEP IN PRIVATIZING SS AND MEDICARE WILL BE
ABSORBED AS A WELFARE PROGRAMS
REQUIRING RECIPIENTS TO LIQUIDATE ALL HOME OWNERSHIP
ETC.  HEAR ME PEOPLE,  THE BANKSTERS ARE COMING, THE
BANKSTERS ARE COMING.  And Obama is leading their
troops and you’re paying for their weapons. 

Wendell Potter, Health care whistle-blower, made it
clear that it was Wall Street that called the shots
on the Medical Health care bill. That lying Obama and
grinning Baucus actually had Single Payer doctors and
professionals that just wanted to meet with them
arrested.  People should have stormed the place just
because of the show that Obama sees himself as a
Ruler and America is no longer a democracy. The
wealthy control us like a crop of corn and they are
weeding out the genes that stand against their power
by making it impossible to live any way but hand to
mouth.  People completely dependent on their
gatekeepers and rules to get health care in a world
in which they also dump toxins everywhere is COMPLETE
CONTROL.See Health Care Behind the Scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aZPPSsryw

Anyone who votes for Obama might as well vote to have
themselves shackled along with their kids and their
elderly if they have any left come 2012.  The Repubs
are playing Bad Cop and that is why they are
so outrageous   They are getting everything on the
Dem tab.  The two parties are backed by the same
sociopaths that think we belong to them and the
country is theirs.  For God’s sake, see this bald
face liar for who he is. He is charming and soft
spoken but actions are the measure of the man and
this man serves aggressive sociopaths that want you
to serve them in a slave capacity and will make you
live such a precarious life that they can take
anything you have on a whim including you life.

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By Bobi6, August 3, 2011 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment
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Washington, DC gave up listening to the people a long time ago. They
completely ignore us except Bernie Sanders and some of the real
Democrats left in office. They and the media live behind their own Berlin
Wall called the Beltway.

The super congress idea is lame. It will be more of the same. Obama will
appoint right leaning democrats - known as “NEW DEMOCRATS” to this
super nothing. They might even go further than our turncoat president
and make the cuts deeper.

Doesn’t anyone in Congress ever study basic economics before running
for office? We turned over our futures to idiots, children and
psychopaths.

Good luck, America. No jobs, no retirement and no Social SEcurity. Now
isn’t that a pickle for the majority of Americans. Who do they think is
going to buy the products corporations are making?? Short sighted
idiots, children and psychopaths. I keep trying to wake myself up.

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By philipw, August 3, 2011 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

But please explain something to me. You see, I’m one of those people that
wasn’t drinking the housing bubble MSM kool-aide of 2007: “Housing prices
will go up in perpetuity! Buy! It’s a great investment, and you will double your
money every few years!” I didn’t believe it, nor was I gripped by greed trying to
flip homes for a quick buck like oh-so-many people were before the musical
chairs stopped. Now, why should I be forced to pay higher taxes (cost of a loaf
of bread doubling/tripling, cost of gasoline, clothing, food, energy, etc.
doubling/tripling) through the steep level of inflation that is occurring through
continued unbridled government spending? Why am I being forced to subsidize
other people’s stupidity and/or gullibility through all this funny money that’s
debasing my own? Can you explain that please?

Nice to hear some sense and truth Dalmazio.  The predatory parasitic banks were matched by the parasitic predatory home speculators.  The counterfeit home buyers (Scheer’s folks and swindled homebuyers) made the bubble in a lust for easy and free money no matter who might get hurt.  They took the money if they sold on top and want bailed out if they lose.  The responsible people who wanted to buy a home were shut out and now taxed to keep these predators and investors in their homes.  The bailouts are supporting this whole fiasco and Scheer thereby supports the whole system he criticizes. The homebuyers who want to buy a home to live in- not get rich off of- get wrecked overpriced houses and forced to participate in an inflationary banking system where they become a slave of the system.  You can’t save money fast enough to overcome inflation to make a bigger down payment.  What hope do we have if people don’t become more mature and responsible to force the upper elite out and give some hope for a democracy, freedom, and responsibility.  The predatory bankers, politicians, and counterfeit home buyers represent the same inflationary dominating ego power hungry mongers that are destroying the environment of earth and mind.  Sheer doesn’t get that bottom up democracy requires bottom up responsibility and adulthood.

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By thethirdman, August 3, 2011 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Well JDMysticDJ,

The Dems have done such a wonderful job with our progressive support.  We
should totally continue to support them.

I have a beautiful friend attached to a lying scumbag.  All she wants to do is love
him and be loved by him.  But he’s a lying scumbag who cheats on her at every
turn.  I told her to just stay with him because she probably wont find anyone better
and it could be a lot worse.

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By Dalmazio, August 3, 2011 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

[...continued]

Nice distortion, Mr. Scheer. That wasn’t grandstanding. That was a more honest
Senator Barack Obama speaking from the only position he could: the position of
someone who is upholding his oath of office. An oath, I would remind you,
every Congressperson and Senator takes: to uphold, protect, and defend the
Constitution against all enemies, domestic and foreign. He, and an entire class
of politicians have become precisely the enemies they swore to defend against.
Probably more than 90% of what the federal government does is a transgression
against the Constitution. But who’s going to hold politicians accountable?
Certainly not the people. Journalists? Right.

As for the debt vote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/the-senate-debt-
ceiling-vote-behind-the-numbers—and-inside-the-
chamber/2011/08/02/gIQA7zHEqI_blog.html

In the House: 269 yeas, 161 noes.

Democratic yeas: 95
Democratic noes: 95
Republican yeas: 174
Republican noes: 66

That means 73% of House Republicans backed the measure, while 50% of House
Democrats did.

For comparison, in the Senate: 74 yeas, 26 neas.

Democratic yeas: 46
Democratic noes: 7
Republican yeas: 28
Republican noes: 19

That means 87 percent of Senate Democrats supported the measure, while 60
percent of Senate Republicans did.

???

What’s going on? That doesn’t look like Dems got “shafted”—rather it sounds
like the Democrats in the Senate were very much in support of the debt bill.
While the Democrats in the House were evenly split.

Looks like somewhat stopped the music, forced everyone to change
Democrat/Republican costumes, re-started the music, and everyone continued
playing musical chairs as usual. Shenanigans are afoot. But of course, what else
is new under the sun?

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By Dalmazio, August 3, 2011 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

[...continued]

But please explain something to me. You see, I’m one of those people that
wasn’t drinking the housing bubble MSM kool-aide of 2007: “Housing prices
will go up in perpetuity! Buy! It’s a great investment, and you will double your
money every few years!” I didn’t believe it, nor was I gripped by greed trying to
flip homes for a quick buck like oh-so-many people were before the musical
chairs stopped. Now, why should I be forced to pay higher taxes (cost of a loaf
of bread doubling/tripling, cost of gasoline, clothing, food, energy, etc.
doubling/tripling) through the steep level of inflation that is occurring through
continued unbridled government spending? Why am I being forced to subsidize
other people’s stupidity and/or gullibility through all this funny money that’s
debasing my own? Can you explain that please?

As for employment, let me ask you: who provides *real* jobs? Companies.
Government jobs are paid for with tax payer dollars, so they’re not “productive”
in the sense they are a drain on capital resources instead of creative of wealth.
Whether they’re small mom and pop shops, startups, medium-sized companies,
or multinational companies. When companies are taxed to the hilt, either they
move their operations overseas, or have to cut expenditures in labour and
capital goods, which prevents them from growing. They can do nothing else.
This is why, whether you like it or not, in order to increase jobs, you have to
provide an environment that is business-friendly. It’s common sense. That
doesn’t mean bailing-out companies that have mis-managed themselves. They
should die the slow death they deserve, and be bought out by well-managed
companies that can salvage some of their assets, employ some of their people,
and otherwise make the best out of a bad situation. But no. Government
bureaucrats, in all their infinite wisdom, get involved, penalize the good
companies by bailing out the bad ones, and in so doing provide bad companies
with an unfair competitive advantage as a reward for their mis-management.
Can you not see where this is going? If I were a well-managed company, I would
want to get the hell out of dodge, and move some place else where the deck
was not so terribly stacked against me.

“To cut federal expenditures in the midst of a deep and persistent recession
would have been viewed as madness by every modern Republican president,
from Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford and Reagan to both Bushes. Ronald Reagan had
no qualms about doubling the entire national debt that had been accumulated
by all previous presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter.”

That’s only because Republicrats and Demapublicans, while appearing to be of
different species, have the same genotype: parasite. Are you really so caught up
in the Republican vs. Democrat narrative to think there’s a real difference?

“In the current debate, Republicans were accurate in reminding that the
presidents from their party had to contend with Democratic grandstanding,
including by then-Sen. Obama, in opposition to the inevitable lifting of the debt
ceiling. But raising the debt ceiling was always assured and never once did the
Democrats go so far as to threaten to put the United States of America into
default or risk the nation’s perfect credit rating.”

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By Dalmazio, August 3, 2011 at 11:17 am Link to this comment

[...continued]

“Those policies caused the 50 percent run-up of the national debt between
2007 and this week, when the debt ceiling had to be raised. While the trillions
wasted made the bankers whole, it did nothing for the 50 million Americans
losing their homes or the 20 percent of the workforce that can’t find the full-
time employment for which they are qualified. The economy has zeroed out in
the past six months, relative to population growth, and in June consumer
spending had its biggest drop in two years. The fundamentals are rotten, as
reflected in the steep descent of the stock market despite the raising of the
debt ceiling.”

Marginally truthful. The debt did not *have* to be raised. There was plenty of
revenue ($200 billion / month) to pay for interest payments so the US would
not default, as well as social security payments, medicare, and soldier’s salaries
overseas. But you’re missing the bigger picture. You’re looking at a 50% run-up
between 2007 and this week. These very same big government policies
represent a 400,000% increase in the debt since 1913! It’s the same old, same
old. Get it? Whether it’s so-called Democratic welfare state spending (“social
programs”) or so-called Republican warfare state spending (“defense”), it’s the
same sh*t, different pile. When are people going to stop buying into the
narrative? How many times do you need to get broadsided before you look both
ways before crossing the street?

“If adults, of either party, had been watching the store, raising the debt ceiling
would have been a no-brainer. Instead, the obvious obligation to pay debts that
Congress had already incurred was turned into an occasion to wage ideological
war on the very idea of government.”

Seriously. This is utter nonsense. Raising the debt-ceiling as a knee-jerk
reaction to profligate government spending is an un-brainer. What is that going
to solve? I’ll tell you: a very temporary abatement, before the next hit of the
debt-hike fix. Until, finally, the hapless addict baselines. The obligation to pay
debts is so obvious and doable even without a debt-ceiling hike, why didn’t
President Obama take the issue of “default” off the table entirely? Why all the
“default” fear mongering? It never needed to be there. There are $200 billion in
revenue each month. Interest payments are about $20 billion per month. Even
after social security, medicare, and paying soldier’s salaries, there is still some
left. There’s just not enough for *everything*.

“In the end, Obama agreed to major cuts at a time when the government needs
to spend more money on extending unemployment insurance, mortgage relief
to avoid foreclosures, and support for state budgets so that more teachers and
firemen are not laid off.”

Wh-a-a-a-t? I see, so continue doing what we’ve been doing for the last
decade, financial stimulus, raising the debt ceiling, treat symptoms instead of
root causes, all so we can be here again in 18 months, then again in 12, then 6,
then 3, then 1, ... until we all get accustomed to living in a perpetual state of
crisis, and the people will accept any sh*t you tell them. Where have I heard this
script before?

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By Dalmazio, August 3, 2011 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Good grief Mr. Scheer. Normally, I appreciate your editorial as something
thoughtful and reasonably well-researched. This on the other hand feels as if it has
been ghost-written. Honestly. I would strongly suggest for you to: 1) clear your
mind of liberal MSM sound-bite bias, and 2) probe deeper.

For the record, the agreed cuts that the liberal MSM is saying are too severe? Zero.
That’s right a big fat zero. The Orwellian Newspeak language that is being thrown
around here is to make people believe that there are genuine cuts when in fact
these so-called “cuts” are reductions in proposed increases in spending (i.e., the
CBO baseline). The effect of this plan will be to RAISE the debt between 7 and 8
trillion dollars over the next 10 years. That is not a cut no matter how one chooses
to spin it. And that will wreak havoc on the US economy, and the purchasing power
of the US dollar through severe inflation. This will in turn further decimate any
remaining savings of hard-working Americans, and all but wipe out the middle
class.

“Otherwise, why would Obama have reached for a “grand bargain” in which he even
put Social Security and Medicare cuts on the table before the Republicans rolled
him?”

One of the few genuinely truthful statement in this article. There is no reason why
entitlement spending needs to be touched at this time.  They are something that
can be dealt with using a much longer-term time frame of decades through opt-
out options. And as Mr. Scheer states, it was President Obama that put entitlements
on the table, as the Republicans didn’t ask for it. I’m not defending Republicans,
because the majority of them are just as culpable for this countries problems as are
the Democrats. Just stating the facts. Even though entitlements are a huge source
of spending, they don’t have to be a priority given how many Americans are
dependent on social security, medicare, and medicaid. It is enough to bring our
troops home, ending our wars over seas, changing our foreign poilcy to one of
non-interventionism (seeing how well an interventionist foreign policy has worked
out for us over the past several decades), and dramatically curtailing a number of
other big government programmes, including the department of education, FDA,
Department of Energy TSA, FEMA, the Pentagon, etc. etc. All these programmes
actually interfere with what they purport to be helping.

Just to be clear, the recent Cenk Uygur interview showed that Social Security has a
$2.5 trillion SURPLUS—*but* it has already been spent. What!? Yes, it has already
been spent. This is the deeper reason for abolishing big government programmes
(warfare and welfare), not because those that wish to do so are evil people that
want to see poor dependent people suffer, but because government bureaucrats
can’t be trusted with the purse strings of the people’s hard-earned money. It is far
better for the people to invest their own hard-earned wealth and create their own
social security and health care nets, rather than depend on corrupt politicians to do
the right thing. Because they won’t.

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By entropy2, August 3, 2011 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

The Dem shills are getting more shrill.

They’re trotting out the usual tactics to stampede the left into voting Dem:
- Try to scare them with crazy Bachmann pix
- Try to paint selling out the working class as victories (eg. the Healthco/Pharma welfare act) or as tactical moves in BHO’s 12 dimensional chess game that the great unwashed just can’t understand
- Call them unrealistic for demanding that the Dems actually fight for peace, justice and freedom
- Abuse them for not rolling over and taking the (debateable) lesser of two evils

- And, of course, gear up to blame them for election losses that, in reality, stem from the Dems’ utter lack of integrity

Sorry, the old dogs just won’t hunt no more. The Party needs to lose, and lose BIG before the corporate lickspittle “leadership” will be discredited enough to be tossed out.

Lip-service progressives are nothing but tools for the corporate-owned Democratic Party. Voting Dem simply validates the Party’s total contempt for the left.

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By drbhelthi, August 3, 2011 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

“A simple fact is that if former Obama supporters had not stopped
supporting Obama and the Democrats we wouldn’t be in the dilemma we are now.  JDmysticDJ

Simple idea, yes.
Fact, no.
The “has been” status of the U.S. was not reached in the last six
months.

Since their first iteration of “Operation Paper Clip,” 1945, the WWII NAZIs, advanced by the GHWBushSr entourage, have slowly turned the former U.S.of A. into the IV Reich.

Time to update your knowledge? It is all on the internet.

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By JDmysticDJ, August 3, 2011 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

And turning away from Obama and the Democrats will lead to…what?

Using a sports metaphor, blaming the coach and dissension on the team will not lead to victories, quite the contrary, expect a long series of blowouts.

A simple fact is that if former Obama supporters had not stopped supporting Obama and the Democrats we wouldn’t be in the dilemma we are now.

We can expect very dark days ahead, and when those dark days come, your anger will turn to regret; regret you should be experiencing now.

Blah, blah, blah, gnashing of teeth, you regret voting for Obama and the Democrats? Spew out your angry negativity, and as the world crumbles around you be proud of your principled stance, morons.

You want a more progressive government as you destroy the left and facilitate the worst group of reactionaries we might have ever seen in this country.  You lament the rightward shift in our politics as you take your hands off the rope and give up on the tug of war. Weimar again, MORONS!

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By litlpeep, August 3, 2011 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Yes, it is true that Obama was much too eager too “jettison the legacy of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as outmoded political baggage.”  And that’s not all he and Clinton have abandoned from the Democratic Party’s traditions; more later on this.

“Instead of worrying about jobless workers and swindled homeowners, they bailed out the swindlers, following the example set by George W. Bush.”  This was, of course, only one way Obama demonstrated his zeal for Wall Street, while he continually musters nothing but Madison Avenue designer happy talk for the rest of the nation.  He also, remember, a bit too eagerly cooperated with his fellow back-sliding Democratic Senators and Congress members last December to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, when the economy needs that money spent on things that will boost the economy rather than spent on lavish vacations to Bali and Fiji and wherever the filthy rich vacation.  He also consistently refuses to actually press Wall Street to invest in our economy, continuing, instead, to follow Reagan, the Bushes & Clinton encouraging them to invest in jobs abroad.

Instead of pressing the irresponsibly wealthy corporate investors to invest in the economy, Obama shows repeatedly he would rather “...continue the tax breaks for the rich and (continue) coddling the corporations that are sitting on a $2 trillion surplus they refuse to invest.”

And while speaking of “his zeal for centrist consensus, a preoccupation doomed to failure in a time of tough choices, it was Barack Obama who folded,” why not point out as many others already have that “centrist consensus” is another myth that no one outside Washington, D. C., believes anymore.

Indeed, why spend all this time pointing out the obvious: the Clinton-Obama Democrats have abandoned everything democratic about their party since it was created by Jefferson & Madison in a quest somewhat overlapping the current Tea Party’s rhetoric: to put the US government in its place defending the masses rather than the professionally cheating filthy and irresponsibly wealthy asses who are all too eager to destroy the nation for a petty profit?

Why not spend the time developing the growing argument on behalf of creating, from the nation’s small towns and cities up, a viable third party to take up the perennial political issues and durable political decencies, like civic republican traditions and democratic citizenship cultivating traditions, that the major bipartisan hacks have all too eagerly jettisoned?

It may be too late to pull the nation back from the brink of all the urgent disasters looming in our near future.  But it is only too late to try for the cowards and the otherwise dispirited.  We can every one of us who wants begin by entering training to center our personal and civic selves right where we live, and, with this spiritual center, share the promise with any and all who will listen.

It is no longer sensible to waste time trying to salvage the bipartisan hack parade.

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By Cloud Shaman, August 3, 2011 at 9:25 am Link to this comment
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They don’t want to bring the troops home for 2 reasons. The defense industry profits and they don’t want intelligent, heavily armed and trained soldiers to take sides if the s..t hits the fan. They are trained in insurgency and house to house fighting.

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By California Ray, August 3, 2011 at 9:07 am Link to this comment

California Ray doesn’t feel a lot of personal responsibility for the damage that the U.S. has suffered at the hands of the two major parties. When Bill Clinton was President, California Ray was “triangulated” out of the Democratic Party and into the Green Party.
Democratic Party voters rode the “centerist” suicide bus over the cliff; and it’s for them to have voter’s remorse.

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By MeHere, August 3, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment

Let’s call it what it is: another spectacular bailout by We, the Sheep.

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By frank1569, August 3, 2011 at 8:49 am Link to this comment
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‘Neither party has ever dared to use the deficit ceiling to blackmail the entire nation—until now.’

Um…

‘The Hidden History of the Debt Limit Hijack - Democrats Started It’ http://tinyurl.com/3beshqz

‘Of course there’s Class War. And my Class, the Upper Class, is winning.’ Warren Buffet.

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By ocjim, August 3, 2011 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

This is no surprise. Obama gave away our farm long ago. It basically started at the beginning of his presidency. He displayed he penchant for servicing the needs of the rich with the bailout and his appointments of Goldman Sachs people like Geithner. Only his rhetoric favored the people. The teaparty was born because of backlash and resentment over TARP w/o help for the people. From there on it was one cave to Republicans after the other. The die was cast. They knew that had a patsy, and it will continue. Obama is a punching bag for the Republicans. The only problem is the people have no representation.

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By California Ray, August 3, 2011 at 8:22 am Link to this comment

All true, Mr. Scheer. But the Democrats used highhanded tactics to close Guantanamo, punish Bush-era torturers, and end the war in Iraq. Just kidding. None of those things will ever happen with Democrats in power.

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By David J. Cyr, August 3, 2011 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Robert Scheer:

“Those policies caused the 50 percent run-up of the national debt between 2007 and this week, when the debt ceiling had to be raised… If adults, of either party, had been watching the store, raising the debt ceiling would have been a no-brainer.”
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America’s war debt ceiling did **NOT** have to be raised.

It only “had to be raised” because the corporate party voting conservatives and liberals joined together (as usual) in 2008 to provide a 99% popular mandate for more war… more war debt… no end to wars.

Anyone (with a brain) actually opposed to war would **NOT** have wanted the debt ceiling raised.

Liberals, like Scheer, regularly reliably “no-brainer” vote for the corporate party’s Democrats, and thereby ensure that no change for good occurs.

Why do liberals vote for the corporate party’s Democrats to provide the same shit its Republicans do? Well, apparently, it’s just because BLUE is a more calming color than RED is.

The “Principles” of Liberal Voters:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=491&Itemid=1

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By Artie, August 3, 2011 at 8:09 am Link to this comment
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Here is what I propose, term limits in Congress, no more lifetime seats on the Supreme Court, miniscule payment for Congress.  This republic was created for We the People, to ELECT people from within our own ranks, who live with the same decrepit situations as the rest of us and who have our best interests at heart, to follow our mandate.  These elected officials were supposed to be the voice of the People, but today, they are wealthy people who are completely out of touch with the average American’s plight.  Government was never supposed to be an onerous machine, running on a daily basis.  It was not meant to make people rich and power thirsty.  Let’s make Congress what it has always supposed to be, a body that joins together on a part time basis, with little pay.  What do we get paid when we are COMMANDED to serve jury duty?  We get paid peanuts!  If politicians really want to make this country the best that it can be, they need to realize that it is not a career!  Take away the money and the power (not the power granted by We the People, but the corrupt power that they gain thru corporation campaign financing) and these “politicians” would disappear!  We also need to go back to common sense and morality.  What you need to realize is that all of these politicians are owned by the corporations who fund their campaigns!  Corporations don’t spend huge amounts of money because they are philanthropic, they do it because they have their own agenda and expect their bought politician to pay them back with favors and legislation on their behalf.  Is there anyone in Congress who isn’t wealthy?  If you know one, please name him/her.  These people are supposed to represent us, using our proxy to do our will, but these people are not average American’s, they are wealthy Americans.

The entire system has been hijacked and there is no viable way to take it back.  Voting??  Please…voting is laughable.  The globalist elite continue to allow voting because it makes people, ignorantly, assume that they have a voice in who gets elected!  WAKE UP CALL!!!!  Voting is FIXED!!!  The debt crisis….did any of you have any doubt, whatsoever, that there would be an eleventh hour compromise?  I mean, these guys are so predictable.  It is all political gaming with a contrived ending.  Theatre!!  In the meantime, for weeks, seniors and disabled folks have been needlessly worrying that they wouldn’t get their social security checks, because Obama made the statement that the funds might not be there!  SS is a permanent expenditure, not a discretionary item.  What Obama’s statement did was to prove conclusively, that SS funds are not stored in their own lockbox, but are thrown into the general funds.  SS is privately funded by us and our employers matching contributions.  The government doesn’t put one cent into SS, but they raid the fund to pay for their other pet projects, like invading sovereign nations and trying to spread their jaded ideology of “democracy” to the entire world.  SS is funded by We the People and should be taken out of the hands of the government.  SS should be privatized, but not in a way where people receive their funds and invest them, because most people would end up losing it all.  Rather, the SSA should be a private organization that maintains those funds and protects them from the overreaching grasp of greedy politicians.

There are alot of things that can be fixed in this country, but as long as our government is owned by the corporate elite and banks, nothing of consequence will ever be done, that is favorable to We the People.

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By Pancho V., August 3, 2011 at 7:15 am Link to this comment
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Impeachment, not voting, switching to the republikans, clearly all are options. None of which are effective.

Albert Einstein once said;” Repeating the same failed thing over and over expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity. It’s time to stop the madness! We the people must learn to break our dependency on the Democratic Party. It is NOT the same party that FDR ran under. It has become the Republikan party’s twin sister! Both are owned and controlled by Big Bu$ine$$!

We the people must begin organizing and building a viable alternative to the corrupt two party system that we are trapped with! Otherwise the cycle begins again. Promises made and broken with or without lame excuses. Big disappoinments, only this time life in the U.S. will become sheer hell for those of us who are not rich! I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired! How about YOU?

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By rjf7r, August 3, 2011 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

Note that the “hostage”—the rating of US treasuries—is still being held!  That is the thing that would have triggered all of the terrible changes that would be worth losing a million more jobs in order to prevent.  The rating agencies still hint that they may lower the US bond rating.

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By fishfire, August 3, 2011 at 6:38 am Link to this comment
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I certainly found this latest political drama more
entertaining than the usual fare.  Fundamentalist
Christians, wearing Tea Party clothes, force
President Obama into full retreat.  Democrats hold
the Executive branch and the Senate and can’t stand
up to a bunch of snot-nosed kids in the House. 

Rep. Boehner is chock full of incompetence, Cantor is
an uncompromising extremist, and President Obama, the
man I voted for, once again showed the entire world
he is no Harry Truman. He lacks the guts, the fire,
and the instinctive common sense necessary for real
leadership.  He is worse than Carter.

President Obama is the college Professor every
student wants to avoid, “Are you taking
Constitutional law this semester?” says student A to
student B.  “No way, the only class open is Obama and
all he does is lecture at you.  It’s a boredom fest,
dude”  replies student B,  “you don’t ever want to
take Obama’s class. I already had him once and that
was enough.”

Once was enough for me too. I’d take Hillary any day over
this guy. But the unfortunate truth is, he will be my
party’s candidate and I’d rather have Jimmy Carter
than Michelle Bachman.  Damn damn damn, I WILL have
to take his class a second time.  Oh man, why does it always suck to be a Democrat?

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By James R. Pannozzi, August 3, 2011 at 6:24 am Link to this comment
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A lot of good comments here, we all see the problem. 
Both Repubs and Demos have had their parties
hijacked.  How do both groups of disenfranchised and
dispossessed voters get their parties back from
whatever the hell it is that has gained control of
them?

I urge everyone to take another look at the “old
fashioned” FDR and some statements he made at a
Fireside chat long ago.  We need to consider his
ideas as part of the philosophies that will motivate
and impel a second American revolution.  For if we do
not do this, we are doomed to repeat, again and
again, what has been happening to us to our very
great destruction.  Here are links to FDR’s comments:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights

In particular, note these essential rights, now
routinely violated in our present situation…:

Employment, with a living wage,
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies,
Housing,
Medical care,
Education, and,
Social security

Note that the implementation of these rights would
involve a modification to the “robber barron”
philosophy of capitalism which always involves a
majority who are exploited, often willingly, as part
of the system. When it works, the consent of the
victims is irrelevant because everyone is happy. 
When it fails, as it inevitably must, we have what we
have now.

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By prisnersdilema, August 3, 2011 at 6:20 am Link to this comment

It’s time, or rather long past time, to re evaluate the kind of government we live under.

A government of delusion, of make believe, of lies, cowardice, soulless and corrupt.

To expect from them anything close to rationality, is a fools errand. We all watched them
as Jim Jones, I mean John Boner, ordered a round of kook aid, and they drank it.
President Obama took the biggest gulp.

It was Jonestown all over again, the massacre of reason, and responsibility. The result
of Jonesian thinking, and Jonesian following., and a Warren Jeffs sermon or two.

And when that big steel ball. On the cable comes swinging through the wall of your
living room, I mean the economy. Instead of a rational response, your only going to get
more Warren Jeffs, more lies, moe irrationality, more finger pointing.

Time to reconsider just what your dealing with.

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By Michael_Murry, August 3, 2011 at 6:00 am Link to this comment
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Just two points:

(1) The Constitution says that “The validity of the National Debt shall not be questioned.” Those Congressmen and Senators who have brazenly called that debt into question have obviously violated their sworn oaths to protect and defend the Constitution.

(2) Extortion has always constituted a crime.

How appropriate Mark Twain’s observation that “America has no native criminal class—except Congressmen.”

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By BR549, August 3, 2011 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

When are people going to understand that this isn’t simply a concatenation of bumbling attempts at fiscal governance; this is an intentional power grab by the power elite after the boat they have neglected for so long has started leaking and is going down by the bow. And isn’t it convenient how so many of our fighting age men and women are scattered all over the globe while we have
so many foreign troops stationed on US soil ready to “help out”, should we have any civil unrest. For those who say that there would be no jobs for them and that the millions of defense industry personnel would be out on the street, we have only one direction to point the finger of blame on that misdirected economic course and that is WASHINGTON, corporations, and their dutiful gutless media. Just as with the WPA, we should bite the bullet, bring them home, and rekindle an industry of energy conservation and high mileage vehicles. But if you’re wondering why that isn’t happening, it’s because the agenda is not what the average American would think.

Warren Buffet said it best in the following CNBC quote: “I could end the deficit in 5 minutes,” he told Becky Quick.  “You just pass a law that says anytime there is a deficit of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress are ineligible for re-election!”

The problem is that those assholes are more interested in getting re-elected than they are in passing such a law or fixing the budget mess that they created in the first place.

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By James M. Martin, August 3, 2011 at 5:34 am Link to this comment

Crandell, you can only impeach for high crimes and misdemeanors.  If you mounted an impeachment campaign for lying to get elected, forget it: all pols do that.  Obama is just another hustler.  What we need is altruistic motives and some sort of mechanism to make our elected officials live up to their promises once they take office.  I am afraid impeachment won’t fly in this air.

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By ranting citizen, August 3, 2011 at 5:27 am Link to this comment
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Income tax revenue in the US are at least a 30 year historical low.
Social Security is in trouble primarily because for 40 years our elected “leaders” have borrowed from it to fund oil wars, which dictated that they put the trust fund dollars into easily accessible T Bills rather than real investments with real return potential.
We are spending 8 times the real annual GDP of Afghanistan in that country each year.
All the terrorists that we are dealing with out of the Middle East have one over-riding concern and have been very vocal about that concern. Hint: it isn’t our standard of living or our religious approach within our own country.
We have allowed the corporations that garnered their success here to export the intellectual property and manufacturing expertise developed here to another part of the world, along with the all jobs that are also involved.
We have a resident population of illegal immigrants here that closely mirrors the percentage of unemployed American citizens. 
The result is depressed wages, fewer real jobs and extreme pressure on the revenue/ expense equation.

Does anyone in our government have the stones to frame the question accurately and do something about it?


Remember when teachers, public employees, planned parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half our 401Ks, took trillions in taxpayer funded bailouts, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes?
Yeah, me neither. Pass it on.

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By Mijan, August 3, 2011 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

This is an ugly, ugly thing. If the USA can recover from this train wreck, it will take a very long time, and we won’t recognize the results. More to the point, we have no hope of recovery as long as delusional individuals continue to believe the propaganda that has led to our current plan and policy.

In short, we’re screwed.

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By Billy Pilgrim, August 3, 2011 at 5:13 am Link to this comment

Obama had the nerve to state that with the manufactured
crisis behind us, we should now focus on job creation.
How? With what money?

The only job creation Obama is concerned with is part
time volunteers working on his reelection campaign and
raising the billion dollars needed.

We are a joke.

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By Frosty46, August 3, 2011 at 5:01 am Link to this comment

We once Democrats complain about Obama because we have
trouble coming to the realization that he is other than we
thought and hoped for in our new President.  But now after
Obama has done “The Republican” thing over and over and
over we must admit to ourselves that we have another jake
the fake Republican in the Whitehouse.

A very bad time is coming to the world due to the actions of
Obama and his fellow Republicans—-a recession of
monumental size, depth and scope is coming soon to an
economy near you!

Exactly like the Republican cuts to spending during the 1930’s
in defiance of FDR’s New Deal that wrought Hitler’s gaining
power in Germany,  this treason to the nation will bring us
down in horrible ways yet to materialize.

The BS explanation of Obama doing all things Republican is
he just trusts too much or he simply has no choice, the polls
say this or that——————all BS!

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By Dr Bones, August 3, 2011 at 3:42 am Link to this comment
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Reality check…. trickle down Reaganonics hasn’t ever worked for anyone other than the have-mores, want even more, that already have too much.  Every President and both Parties have “F’d” working Americans since and including Reagan.

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By bpawk, August 3, 2011 at 3:03 am Link to this comment

Again, you complain about Obama et al but yet you’ll vote for him because as Obama knows too well, there’s no one else. You had your chance with Ralph as a third party but you thought you were too good for him - now you are reaping what you sow!

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By Marian Griffith, August 3, 2011 at 2:28 am Link to this comment
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@John Crandell

Suppose you manage to impeach Obama. Then what? Bachman for president? The Koch brothers?
Obama clearly has no idea how to deal with a negativistic vengefull scorched earth tactic as is being set by the republican party (.. if they can not rule the country then they will burn it down to ashes around them rather than let somebody else be the boss ..)
But neither has any of the democratic party candidates that can replace them. This much is painfully obvious after the mess they made out of elections during the Bush jr. nightmare years.
And republican voters are fully mad enough to appoint a candidate who believes that dropping a nuke on Washington is the appropriate way to deal with ‘big government’ and ‘government corruption’.
But even if by some miracle the republicans appoint a less extremist presidential candidate, we -are- talking about the party that has done everything it can, from obstructing in House and Senate even laws they introduced once Obama said he was for it, to outright lies, to agitprop and stirring up people just shy of a murderous rampage. And the party who took the entire economy hostage and whose entire negotiating tactic consisted of the word ‘no’.

If not for Obama we now would have McCain and Palin being in charge of solving this crisis and can you for a moment that that would be better? Even with all his many faults Obama is far preferable over anything the republican party can come up with.

But I am fairly certain that in 2012 you, and the many people who are so blinded by rage against the ‘betrayal’ by Obama will get their wish. He will be voted out of office and a republican party president will take over, and continue the tradition of the past decades of ignoring anything not of their party (i.e. half the population) and crawling slowly towards the extreme right.

And in 2013 the whole thing will blow up (the debate we just witnessed will return with a vengeance, the EC regulations trying to deal with its imbalanced internal economy will end requiring new painful negotiations there as well. The USA will have a new or old and much hated president. The major European countries will have new presidents. Even China will have a new president. Oh, and the stimulus packages that were used to bail out the banks will have run their courses and must somehow by paid… life will get pretty interesting as a result)

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By Robespierre115, August 3, 2011 at 2:19 am Link to this comment

The level of our stupidity shows when even now, in the midst of this, we are too afraid of igniting a real revolution Paris 1789 style. What will take people? When you can’t buy something as basic as milk?

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By john crandell, August 3, 2011 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

Someone, anyone, please introduce articles of impeachment!

I don’t care if the Repugs nominate Darth next year.

Impeach the bastard!

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By Richard_Ralph_Roehl, August 3, 2011 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

We’re on the Titanic… as it $inks off the coast of Easter Island. Full $team ahead, Captain.

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