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Posted on Sep 30, 2010
White House / Pete Souza

By David Sirota

The way Democratic leaders tell it, their party’s current “enthusiasm gap” comes from rank-and-file voters who are irrational and pessimistic complainers.

“Democrats, just congenitally, tend to [see] the glass as half empty,” President Barack Obama said last month during a $30,000-a-plate fundraiser at the Connecticut home of a donor named (no joke) Rich Richman. Days later, Vice President Joe Biden told a separate audience of donors that voters need “to stop whining.” Apparently, the two believe that a mix of Marie Antoinette’s “let them eat cake” motto and Phil Gramm’s “nation of whiners” mantra will excite the Democratic base.

Who knows? Maybe it’ll work. But probably not. The sight of Washington politicians attending fat-cat fundraisers while berating a recession-hammered nation is not exactly inspiring. It’s more like a recipe for electoral backlash.

That said, this campaign season is defined neither by unreasonable petulance, as the White House asserts, nor by justifiable rage against the plutocratic machine. Instead, the moment is all about the more muted despondence expressed by that recent CNBC town hall speaker—the one who told the president that voters are “exhausted” and “deeply disappointed” in his administration.

The desperation is understandable. The Iraq War continues, and the Afghanistan War is intensifying. The Wall Street “reform” bill has been exposed as a sham, with The Associated Press reporting that banks are already planning to exploit the new rules for even more profits. Meanwhile, Obama aides admit that the new health care legislation coddles the industries it purports to regulate.

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“During the campaign we fought against insurance companies,” White House adviser David Axelrod said about the Obama-crafted bill. “[But] after the deals with insurance companies, the deals with Pharma—all these people are supposedly our friends.”

As Axelrod’s comment implies, this is not “real change” or “yes we can”—it’s the demoralizing status quo of “no we won’t.” And few disappointments better underscore that reality than the recent non-debate over the Bush tax cuts.

Since those tax reductions were enacted, Democrats have—rightly—criticized them as ineffective economic policy that unduly expands the national debt. The data support the allegations: The Bush tax-cut years were “one of the weakest eight-year spans for the U.S. economy in decades,” according to The Washington Post, and the tax cuts are the single largest factor in the deficit, according to the nonpartisan Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Americans understand these facts, as evidenced by polls showing majority support for eliminating the specific tax cuts that benefit the wealthy. In fact, when considering both public opinion and Democrats’ previous criticism of Bush’s tax policy, it’s clear that opposition to the Bush tax cuts was a primary reason voters elected Democrats in the first place.

And yet, this week, the White House and Democratic congressional leaders announced they are postponing any legislation that might permanently modify the Bush tax cuts.

That’s right, we’re not talking about Democrats deliberately letting all the cuts expire—Democratic lawmakers say they will extend the cuts for the middle class. The issue is whether they will simultaneously deliver on promises to terminate the tax cuts that apply to income above $200,000. On that pledge, the party is now blocking a vote.

No doubt, Democratic politicians would have us believe that Republican obstructionism makes a vote pointless and that those saying otherwise are back to “glass half empty” whining. This, of course, has been the same excuse on nearly every issue.

But who are the self-defeating whiners here—politicians who don’t even attempt to fulfill their own promises, or voters who expect those politicians to at least make a minimal effort? The honest answer to that question shows who is really responsible for the enthusiasm gap.

David Sirota is the author of the best-selling books “Hostile Takeover” and “The Uprising.” He hosts the morning show on AM760 in Colorado and blogs at OpenLeft.com. E-mail him at ds@davidsirota.com or follow him on Twitter @davidsirota.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 13, 2010 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Napolean DoneHisPart, October 13 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

You guys arguing on here too, huh..?
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You and the other TDers have my sympathies. I’ve been through enough of these pissing contests.

All he has to do is stop calling me names and it ends. 

He can express his opinions on the politics to his heart’s delight, and I will try to ignore them, as best I can, especially since his “facts” are like religion: based on faith but no proof.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 12, 2010 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

You guys arguing on here too, huh..?

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By Inherit The Wind, October 12, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

You can’t even get that Groucho quote right. Try watching “Duck Soup”...The Luparo Mirro scene should be a transcendental experience for you…which one are you?

Your definition of “idiot” is pretty much identical to GRYM’s definition of “bigot”.

With both of you it all comes down to being a person who sees your bullshit for what it is and refuses to acknowledge your claims that it’s peaches and cream.  You can SAY it’s peaches and cream.  You can jump up and down screaming that it’s peaches and cream. You call me a slew of names since I won’t accept that it’s peaches and cream.

But despite all the noise, PR, showmanship, flim-flam, insults and aspersions cast on me, it’s still bullshit and I ain’t swallowing it.

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By ardee, October 12, 2010 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 11 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

You should start using the GRYM secret Dictionary.

“Idiot”: Someone who finds all the blatant contradictions in Ardee’s arguments, as well as his back-tracking, ass-covering and disingenuous name-calling.

Idiot, one who refuses, time and again, to respond to factual reference and questions about actual democratic party actions and inaction. Perhaps you might, after wiping the spittle off your screen, note all those “blatant contradictions” you bray about, jackass.

Not a single one of your posts contain anything factual, anything not personal insult, while I respond to insult with the same I also have, on numerous occasions, posted reasons for my opinions as well as questions to which you respond with typical juvenile bullshite.

You aint got a position and you aint got a clue.

But I do love a Groucho reference. Heres one about you:

A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
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  Groucho Marx

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 11, 2010 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

Come on now boys… play nice.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 11, 2010 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

You should start using the GRYM secret Dictionary.

“Idiot”: Someone who finds all the blatant contradictions in Ardee’s arguments, as well as his back-tracking, ass-covering and disingenuous name-calling.

Why don’t you bore a hole in yourself and let the sap run out? (—Groucho Marx)

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By ardee, October 11, 2010 at 11:25 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 8 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment

I’m not the one who’s arguing the position that the Teaparty isn’t racist.

Nor do I assert that racists do not live within it, only that real and legitimate issues are there as well.

You’ve put yourself in that box and now you look irrational.

Sorry, that is a phenomenon known as projection and only reinforces my increasing belief in your instability ,politically speaking of course…Blame it all on progressives again, sad little one.

1) You take as axiomatic that the Dems and the GOP are indistinguishable.


No, you claim that I do. What my position is , in this reality, is that voting for either entity will not take us where we need to go.

2) But clearly the Dems, with ALL the Black Congress persons and the Black President cannot be racist.

This actually reeks of immaturity and perhaps terminal stupidity. I think you have never hung with black folks at all. They are not evidence of a lack of prejudice at all. But blacks, as well as whites, or yellows or reds, whatever, can be racist.

We discuss, however , not racism but slavish devotion to corporate money. What you discuss is a question for your mental health professional I fear.


3) The Teaparty is clearly and obviously closely tied to the GOP.

After spending the weekend talking to members of said party I found them as critical of the GOP as they were of the Dems. In fact they stated firmly that, should their votes for Repugs result in change not to their liking they will throw them out at first opportunity.

Those among us who demonstrate clear vision and sane minds will undoubtedly understand that the Tea Party is funded by wealthy extremists and corporations who seek the libertarian trendings within that movement for its relaxation of all controls on their endeavors.

4) Therefore, if the Dems and the GOP are the same, and the Dems can’t be racist, then the GOP cannot be racist either.

Or demonstrate the same silent racism and prejudices, including a capacity to love corporate monies at the expense of the working classes, whether black, white or other.

5) Therefore, as a fundamental part of the GOP, the Teaparty cannot be racist.

You are an idiot.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 8, 2010 at 12:20 pm Link to this comment

Very revealing exposing the departure from the Constitution and the president’s role in the National Security State.

Great wealth of information necessary insight.

http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?seriesid=00ec12bc-f99a-4696-825c-9b1e0453e1e1

Meat of the matter starts at 30min… but worth the entire 60min.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 8, 2010 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

I’m not the one who’s arguing the position that the Teaparty isn’t racist. 

You’ve put yourself in that box and now you look irrational.
1) You take as axiomatic that the Dems and the GOP are indistinguishable.
2) But clearly the Dems, with ALL the Black Congress persons and the Black President cannot be racist.
3) The Teaparty is clearly and obviously closely tied to the GOP.
4) Therefore, if the Dems and the GOP are the same, and the Dems can’t be racist, then the GOP cannot be racist either.
5) Therefore, as a fundamental part of the GOP, the Teaparty cannot be racist.

Thus is Ardee trapped within walls of his own making.

And he says I have worms eating MY brain.

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By ardee, October 8, 2010 at 2:38 am Link to this comment

Firstly, I only continue this because, with each and every response, the worms in your brain are more and more exposed.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 7, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

“You claim to be revolted by your betters, “

“betters” is your word, not mine. I don’t believe I have any “betters”, but you clearly do, and that, my poor twisted friend is what elitism is all about.

Yes. You are an elitist. By your own words.

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By ardee, October 7, 2010 at 3:00 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 7 at 12:13 pm Link to this comment

Ardee:
You are my “better”?  Step AWAY from opium pipe!

Naturally, you are secretly, and now not so secretly, a believer in a class-based society, where YOU are one of the intellectual ‘elite’ and thus, (in your own mind) my better.

Firstly, I only continue this because, with each and every response, the worms in your brain are more and more exposed.

It is understood that baseless and brainless loyalty such as you display towards a party that has betrayed all but the staunchest of right wing Democrats is symptomatic of your illness. As was your unbelievable rant that Progressives have destroyed the democratic party by exercising their constitutional right to criticize said organization. Those of us who retain a scrap of sanity see plainly that the progressive caucus as well as the black caucus has been silenced , and even before Obama led that party and continued that blacklist of said groups ( there is an ultimate irony for you, our first African American president silencing the black caucus)the Schumers and Emmanuels did so.

Now I am an elitist in your mind. From one whose cartoonish view of the GOP as the ultimate evil ( worse than even Darth Vader?) and believes a Democratic Party that willingly carries out the policies of Bush/Cheney is a solution proves his inability to make rational or even remotely sane choices I am far from offended by your crap, frankly.

I remind you, and all who might read this, that you have not once tried to speak to said loyalty with rationale and acumen. No, instead you sidestep the facts I presented with off topic rants and now ravings. I hope your spittle covered monitor and keyboard survive your madness. It would be a damn shame to lose such a comedic performance as you offer with each and every sad little effort.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 7, 2010 at 9:42 am Link to this comment

We ALL think we are many things, but are not…. that is the ILLUSION of ‘success,’ ‘wealth,’ and ‘prestige.’

For we rate our values based on outer material things and inner thoughts and subjective points of view.. although attempting to always see the world clearly and objectively.. and hopeful oneself in sober judgment.. which sometimes humorously comes when one isn’t sober… but I digress as usual.

What we battle yet ignore are the things which battle inside of us, is it not?

We notice the greed, selfishness and class distinction among those supposedly hired to lead us and do what is right by and for us….

Yet they too are human, and can buckle under stress and actually I think with the exception of a handful of politicos on the hill today…. are actually under duress for they may not completely understand WHO the boss really is ( the coup on 9/11 and throughout the rest of world in almost simultaneous fashion ). 

Please watch this in its entirety for it is as close to the TRUTH as anyone will see on film ( cinema verite it could be called )... for if you have already made the paradigm shift in your mind.. then you’ll see what I’m talking about…. and how the hegemony has surely attempted a world-wide coup de tat under the populous’ nose…. but the hierarchy of developed countries do know what is happening. 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144#

This quote states it clearly:

“When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here.  A super state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.  Every effort has been made to conceal its power but the truth is the Fed has usurped the government.”—Louis T. McFadden, A.D. 1876 - 1936, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 7, 2010 at 8:13 am Link to this comment

Ardee:
You are my “better”?  Step AWAY from opium pipe!

Naturally, you are secretly, and now not so secretly, a believer in a class-based society, where YOU are one of the intellectual ‘elite’ and thus, (in your own mind) my better.

Sorry, I don’t think pompous, cognitively dissonant, factually challenged assholes, who are willing to sacrifice the homes, well-being and lives of tens of millions for a clueless fantasy are my “betters”.

I’m just funny that way, y’know?

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By ardee, October 7, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

“You all revolt me almost as much as the Republicans and Teaparty.”

The feelings, I assure you, are mutual. That you check under your bed each evening for any republican that might be hiding there might reassure you seems foolish but I think many folks are slowly coming around to the realisation that, in a system reeking of corruption and the overarching influence of money, both major players are equally to blame. These last two years of a Democratic majority, a democrat in the White House and the same damn policies and agendas yet in place might be enlightening to a more rational and knowledge seeking individual.

You claim to be revolted by your betters, yet you really should be sickened by your refusal to budge from a status quo that continues to bring death, destruction, misery and fewer freedoms each election cycle.

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By Anarcissie, October 6, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

I’ve occasionally fantasized about either starting a business by myself or with other people which would be big enough to hire other people—and even done things toward that end—but things haven’t worked out that way, in spite of my astonishing talents.  I attribute my lack of success to prejudice against extraterrestrials.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2010 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie:

At least you are self-supporting. But if you decide you need to hire some help, then YOU BE THE BOSS!

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

Here comes a ‘religious expression’ so fair warning:

AMEN Anarcissie!!!

This country was built like just you described.

Once we can direct our valued efforts ( realized currently in the amount of green paper currency we accumulate ) to go to US, to our COMMUNITIES, to local PRIVATELY OWNED businesses and CUT OFF the greedy corporate hags….

Unplug ourselves from the machine.

Unplug ourselves from the consumerist propaganda.

Let’s turn a nation of consumers into a nation of investors…. lets invest in ourselves and our communities.

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By Anarcissie, October 5, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

ITW—I’ve been pretty much unemployed since (most recently) 2003, although I’m able to make some money as a part-time contractor.  Laid off before that in 2000 and 1987 as well.  I would have been laid off in 1980, but I saw it coming and jumped ship.  In the computer business, unemployment is a way of life!  But I think this is now, as they say, the new normal.  If you can, save your pennies, get seriously frugal, burn your credit cards, ride a bicycle or walk, fire your boss and go into business for yourself, grow a defeat garden in your back yard….  A nation of losers should get good at it, and cut off Ozymandias at the knees.

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By REDHORSE, October 5, 2010 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Great comments. Enjoyed it! Thank you,

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Thanks… I also write for myself… to read my words and remind me of what I am doing and should be doing…

My apologies that it comes out like that… its bad I know… I need to learn how to express better the URGENCY of the NOW… but I get in the way.

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By johnny, October 5, 2010 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

“Educate yourself so you may defend yourself.”

“Work for yourself!”

“Take control of YOUR LIFE and stop following the ‘program’ for it only leads to the enrichment of evil men and sifts you of the gift of life we’ve all been graciously given!!!!!”

Patronizing, condescending and arrogant, but likely true.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 8:57 am Link to this comment

Oh the DAY when the chattel will flee from ‘working for someone else’ and start ‘working for themselves.’

Instead of getting a ‘job’ or finding a job, or hoping whatever company hires you…

THINK!!!!

Get ‘your own job’ / work for yourself…. our schools have bred a working force instead of a thinking force! 

We’ve been made and programmed into chattel, we are experiencing an economic slavery with money being the bounding tool.

Meaning, work for thyself, like all our collective ancestors have done up until that last few centuries where the idea of society and civilization has permeated our psyche and led us to believe we are work horses instead of people.

Rome has captured almost all nations and people except a very few… which are demonized as the ‘axis of evil’ and so forth onto our conditioned and programmed minds…

Think of folks who rush home from their ‘job’ ( the working stalls, think cattle or horses ) and can’t wait to turn on the boob tube so they won’t miss their favorite….. PROGRAM.  Many look forward to them almost everyday. 

Oh how folks, so smart and educated indeed, still cannot perceive, the simple words which define our humanity.

Work for yourself! 

Take control of YOUR LIFE and stop following the ‘program’ for it only leads to the enrichment of evil men and sifts you of the gift of life we’ve all been graciously given!!!!!

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2010 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, October 5 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

  Inherit The Wind, October 5 at 7:57 am:

  And in chess you sacrifice pawns.  But in this case the pawns are tens of millions of Americans for whom those two years DEFINITELY matter.  I was umemployed for almost 5 months in 2009, and I was ACUTELY AWARE everyday that after 6 months the unemployment insurance would run out.  That was my wall.  That’s the wall of every unemployed person. ...

So you feel frightened of and dependent on the ruling class.  Doesn’t that make you angry?  The earth was given to mankind in common—who had the right to put you in that kind of box?  What will voting for Democrats do about it?
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No.

I guess you didn’t have it happen to you so you can sit in nice, easy judgment about something you didn’t have to experience.

I lost my job in April of 2009.  I’m far too far-sighted to have expected Obama, who hadn’t yet been President for 3 months, and the sweeping Dem majority to have fixed the problems that were sparked by Alan Greenspan at the Fed in 1998, snuck into legislation by Gram in 1999,  and fanned into flames in the summer of 2001 by Bush and the GOP, then expanded and fueled up into an inferno through the collapse in Sept 2008, which began with the sub.  In other words it was the Republicans who sank the economy and added fuel to the fire that burned down our economy.

It wasn’t the Dems who cost me my job. It was the backwash from the Republican years.

While I haven’t been happy with the Obama admin’s actions, what angers me is all the ostriches who want to let us go BACK to the Republicans who got us in this mess.

Millions more will be thrown under the bus when the GOP comes back—and unemployment will double.  But folks like you don’t care as you concern yourself with “ideals”.

It’s easy to be a revolutionary and call for revolution when you don’t give a shit about what happens to working people.  You mouth platitudes and pretend you care, then act in a way that harms them.

You all revolt me almost as much as the Republicans and Teaparty.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

What folks have yet to realize is that Communism, or at least the theory of rule by very few and everyone else must share the rest.. had come to America in the early part of last century and turned her into Amerika.

Read the quotes by folks who saw it happen themselves and were closer to the game than you and I, who are sitting at home / work deciphering media propaganda and what is real from fluff.

As mgdr has proposed in his use of Berlin, Vichy, etc… we have yet to discover how deep this rabbit hole goes… but us who comment here, regardless of our disposition to party affiliation, our current income / wealth status, and whatever color or creed one is… WE ARE NOT ON THE SIDE OF Vichy, nor Berlin nor whomever….

We are the chattel THEY are fighting to rule over…. to sift and bank… think about it folks…

We are pointed to one another instead of seeing who’s pulling the strings as in the Wizard of Oz.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

I think if focus was put more on ‘what’ the system is and how it hurts those without capital… as opposed to focusing on ‘men’ and their actions, words and such.. for they too are the donkey after the carrot.


The carrot is money.

Money, and how it is used ( bearing interest, which produces wealth for the one with it already and siphons those who must work to repay plus more… a most wicked system the three major world religions ABHOR AND CALL EVIL ).

What is needed is clear definition as to how we fit and the roles we play in this financial system that has practically most of us wasting away daily only to further fill the coffers of that Leisure Class someone referred to…

It is the same thing history has shouted at us… rule by the supposed royal, rich and rude over the peasant, petty and poor public….

At least Christ mentioned: Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s ( when referring to money or the tax amount of ‘existing,’ similar to the bounty of taxes we pay today simply because we exist )  This is called tribute folks!

If you look at your dollar, you’ll see it says: “This NOTE is good for all debts, public and private.:

In the 50’s it said a bit more, but you can search for that and teach yourself…

Focusing on the word ‘NOTE,’ we see that in fact, that paper is an I.O.U. from Uncle Slam / Captain Amerika.

It is not counted as positive on the income side of the balance sheet, but as a liability… again, it is a note…. that is good to pay debts.

How does one pay a debt with another debt?

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By Anarcissie, October 5, 2010 at 7:56 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, October 5 at 7:57 am:

And in chess you sacrifice pawns.  But in this case the pawns are tens of millions of Americans for whom those two years DEFINITELY matter.  I was umemployed for almost 5 months in 2009, and I was ACUTELY AWARE everyday that after 6 months the unemployment insurance would run out.  That was my wall.  That’s the wall of every unemployed person. ...

So you feel frightened of and dependent on the ruling class.  Doesn’t that make you angry?  The earth was given to mankind in common—who had the right to put you in that kind of box?  What will voting for Democrats do about it?

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

Some famous and infamous ( omitted from mainstream history ):

“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies…” —Thomas Jefferson, Third President U.S.A. President A.D. 1743 - 1826

“When the Federal Reserve Act was passed, the people of these United States did not perceive that a world banking system was being set up here.  A super state controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.  Every effort has been made to conceal its power but the truth is the Fed has usurped the government.”—Louis T. McFadden, A.D. 1876 - 1936, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

“Give me the right to issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who governs the country.” —b. A.D. 1773, Amschel Mayer Rothschild, German banker whose financial empire still exists today.  He and his descendants have and possibly continue to finance wars, governments, policies and who knows what else.  Link to his legacy ( a must read ).

“The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.” —Thomas Jefferson, Third President U.S.A. President A.D. 1743 - 1826

“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is the master of all its legislation and commerce.” —James A. Garfield, 20th U.S.A. President A.D. 1831 - 1881, was assassinated only have served in office six months ( shortest term for any U.S. President ).

And the rabbit hole keeps getting deeper folks!

We have ALL been misled to put our trust, faith and attention on money, that fake substitute for what you really want… but we’re convinced that it is real, when it only represents something that ‘may’ be real.

Educate yourself so you may defend yourself.

More to learn here:

http://www.smartpeoplesmartmoney.com/Smart_Education.html

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 5, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Lafayette and Ardee and mdgr.. kudos on the clear discourse and train of thought… learning much over here.

Glad some are seeing how money, its illusion and perceived power, is used as the binding tool which is centric and the basis of the world’s societies… as it was so long ago in what was known as the Roman Empire…. so it is STILL true today.

I’ve been following the money for years now, just to see how it is truly used ( and it itself is manipulated to further sap and sift the chattel ).

Think of a farmer, who not only has animals producing for him… but also people… and he sees those workers of his similar to the animals he owns… we have not progressed much in SO MANY YEARS…. for man has yet to tackle the real enemy… HIS HEART.

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By ardee, October 5, 2010 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

“So carelessly willing to throw tens of millions of Americans under the bus just to create a third party.”

I am certain that this poster wears a court jesters costume while posting. It is he who throws those folks under bus by voting for the Democratic Party that has, for the last two years, been driving the damn bus over people.

We survived the Bush years, the Reagan years and will certainly survive another Republican administration, despite the cartoonish views expressed by an increasingly cartoonish figure here. This nation is a whole lot stronger than this court jester fears. Such ridiculous hyperbole as he increasingly inflicts upon the this forum notwithstanding fear of the GOP under ones bed is not a reason to vote for a continuation of the anal intercourse his party has committed upon us these last two years.

Anarcissie

Me, too…...

But I can muster a bit of sympathy for those who succumb to despair, alienation and a feeling of being alone which results in a lack of participation. These folks have been propagandized since pre school, threatened with loss of home and job for so long as to have lost a will to participate in the democratic process.

This situation is, I believe, a purposefully created one that exists only to keep the masses subjugated and the endless profits flowing at our expense.

It has always been the small and commited minority that has been responsible for great change. Therefore I continue to work for what I perceive to be my civic duty, refusing to allow the despairing and the ignoratnt to sway me from my course. I may not live to see that change I work towards but that is beside the point. I have grandchildren who deserve a better world.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 5, 2010 at 3:57 am Link to this comment

Finally, it’s a chess game. There is no real loss in sacrificing Vichy to Berlin over the next two years, only strategic gain. It’s like sacrificing a Bishop, and the presidential veto power should make it fairly secure.
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And in chess you sacrifice pawns.  But in this case the pawns are tens of millions of Americans for whom those two years DEFINITELY matter.  I was umemployed for almost 5 months in 2009, and I was ACUTELY AWARE everyday that after 6 months the unemployment insurance would run out.  That was my wall.  That’s the wall of every unemployed person. 

“no real loss in sacrificing…over the next two years.”

You’ll change your tune in a New York minute if YOU lose your job!

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By Lafayette, October 4, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

HEGELIAN PUZZLE

mdgr: It’s the lie that is the real enemy, and invidious animating principles—such as genocide, greed, dehumanizing exploitation, hubris, stupidity, imperialism—and they take a thousand different forms.

This seems Hegelian in its construct, interesting as it is. You might want to read this column that recently appeared, though it seems sometimes convoluted in its premise.

The premise underscores the challenge of the relationship between individuals and the society in which they live. The riddle is this: Does each individual form a (perhaps erroneous) notion about the society that surrounds them, or does the society inculcate us with (perhaps erroneous) notions about how we should conduct ourselves.

This blog is not the right place for such a discussion, but I submit that the above aptly frameworks the debate. I happen to think that the relationship is bidirectional, which makes it all that much more complex.

In which case I also refer to Thorstien Veblen’s Theory of the Leisure Class   that this American economist wrote at the end of the 19th century.

NB

Sociologists often categorize societies in a gamut between “collective” and “individualistic”. (Collective being more relational, individualistic being more competitive.) Which is also an interesting means of classification in that it also typifies the opposing cultural forces at work at the interior of our societies and economies.

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By Lafayette, October 4, 2010 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS

I vehemently disagree with your implication that pot users are dumber than the alcoholic cons who run the country

Vehmently? Really? What a great shame.

Neither potheads nor drunkards are suitable states-of-mind in a civilized country. Both substances are psychotropic and (imo) both therefore byproducts of an overly competitive nation.

And for what, all this competition? For the atavistic reason (meaning since the dawn of time) that humans (and particularly men) must distinguish themselves one from the others as the best hunters. Who became, at that time, the head of their tribes and later cities and later states.

One might think we should have evolved since then, but no, America shows no evolution whatsoever. The Senate is still populated by the rich and the super-rich, just as in Roman times.

It’s all about money, which is not the best way to construct a nation in which we all are supposedly in “pursuit of happiness”. N’est-ce pas?

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 11:10 pm Link to this comment

Captain America never existed except in comic books.

And no, Berlin isn’t the enemy, and neither is Vichy, per se. They are just surface manifestations, shells as it were. It’s the lie that is the real enemy, and invidious animating principles—such as genocide, greed, dehumanizing exploitation, hubris, stupidity, imperialism—and they take a thousand different forms.

Finally, it’s a chess game. There is no real loss in sacrificing Vichy to Berlin over the next two years, only strategic gain. It’s like sacrificing a Bishop, and the presidential veto power should make it fairly secure.

Of course, there could be an orchestrated hit on the president, leaving the Speaker of the House in a wide-open position of succession. That, in this chess game, is the biggest risk there is, and that’s not insignificant.

Still, it is Vichy—not Berlin—that has kept the lid on any real progressive movement. At least under Bush/Cheney, we all knew who the enemy was. Dealing with the Dems is like dealing with something out of the “Matrix.”

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 10:34 pm Link to this comment

MDGR, Isn’t it Berlin we need to not let take the helm any longer? 

And could you explain how Berlin got encircle Vichy and what happened to what was initially thought to have been created and realized during the Revolutionary war of old?  Or is that going back too far?

Like to know how it came to be Vichy, Berlin and now Stalin… but where was the real Uncle Slam in all this?

Or is it like the Guns n Roses song “captain Amerika has been torn apart, now he’s a court jester with a broken heart..”

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

Glider,

I trust Obama as I would the Scorpion in that old tale of the Scorpion and the frog. Same with the DNC, which is indistinguishable from Obama. Already it (the scorpion) is changing its story line, pretending it’s a true populist and asking us to again drink from the Kool Aid in November. There aren’t enough seats in play for Obama to likely lose any significant veto, and I do trust the scorpion enough to veto the most odious stuff that Berlin throws at him. Which is why the gridlock will continue, and there will be no significant change if Berlin retakes Congress for two years. No one is being thrown under the bus in this scenario since the bus is essentially without any wheels.

The other question you asked involves the money. If Vichy is merely bruised, nothing much will happen. If it’s humiliated and electorally crushed, however, I have every expectation that many progressive elected officials still calling themselves Dems (e.g., Franken, perhaps) can be induced to resign their party affiliation, joining this third party. People like Russ Feingold who are trailing badly in the polls will probably lose their seat, and they might make a cameo appearance in this new party as well.

If this sort of thing occurs, significant money can probably be expected to follow.

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

“I see the 2010 election as a watershed moment, one that very well might create a strategic opportunity for us to begin to take back the night. I am not holding my breath or predicting it will happen—I think it’s rather unlikely, actually—merely pointing to a cusp, a possibility.

And I’m also saying that it sure as hell isn’t going to happen by re-electing Vichy.”

It won’t happen by electing Blue Dogs, but it will by electing Republicons???

I don’t understand your grand strategy.

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By Inherit The Wind, October 4, 2010 at 7:39 pm Link to this comment

So carelessly willing to throw tens of millions of Americans under the bus just to create a third party.

No better than the teaparty who, at least pretends to care about those tens of millions.  You all don’t even pretend to care.

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By glider, October 4, 2010 at 5:07 pm Link to this comment

mdgr,

You know it is funny in a way.  Obama is incompetent and weak in the driver’s seat.  But I actually trust him to be competent enough in a do or die situation such as in a political campaign or welding the power of the veto against a Tea Party Congress.  I am not afraid of that possibility.  Given a Democrat defeat in November, a Tea Party Republican semi-gridlocked Congress, and Democrat voters who have become disengaged and surged in their voting for the Green Party, is it possible to get a 3rd Party to splinter off and reject these Corporatist Democrats?  It sounds good but still there is the essential money problem in politics.  Any real revolution must address that fundamental issue.  It is people versus Corporate money at the core of our problem.

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

Thank you, Glider.

I predict that under a Congress controlled by Berlin, Obama will act more much more “liberal” than he has yet acted since the inauguration. He’ll expatiate forever on the evils of Berlin and, as previously said, also deploy the veto in an effort to rebrand himself (and his out-of-power party) as populists.

Whoever wins in 2010, however, will be neutralized by gridlock. “Be careful what you wish for” applies to both sides since Vichy and Berlin are likely to be held in equal contempt in 2012.

Strategists like Rove and Friedman know that a vacuum will be created. Palin knows it to, which is why Stalin (the Tea Party) is waiting in the wings.

I am not suggesting that the electoral system is just, merely that probably a tad better than what emerged under Robespierre and Marat following the French Revolution. Then again, we can go to the hills and try and live as neighbors with the vets from with their Ak-47s and organic brain injuries.

We may ultimately find our way to the hills anyway—as Resistance fighters—but right now, there’s a unique strategic opportunity presented in the possible undoing of Vichy.

Thomas Friedman’s recent article betrays an underlying fear of that. One couldn’t ask for better evidence, I think, that this may be well within the realm of possibility.

It needs to be well-choreographed, however, and for that, we’d need someone of David Sirota’s stature or that of Robert Scheer’s. Then again, Naomi Klein is equally influencial, and she’s already called for this.

Why don’t Mr. Scheer or Arianna ask her to speak precisely to the issue of third party viability? For that matter, why don’t David Letterman and Oprah.

Many of us believe that we already know the answer. Still, they need to be called out publicly. Maybe we’ll be surprised.

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By glider, October 4, 2010 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

mdgr,

The other point about your analogy is that its timing doesn’t lend itself to easy prediction.  At the end of the Weimar Republic unemployment was in the 28% range and the currency had collapsed.  Complete government failure was more apparent.  So you may need to push any such predictions out yet more election cycle(s) and we may need to be subjected to yet more Wall Street debauchery before such critical mass is reached.

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By glider, October 4, 2010 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

mdgr,

I think your Vichy analogy is apropos.  If history repeats itself then pivotal moments lie ahead that will determine what direction this country turns.  In 1933 Hitler crushed the Socialists (which will not work here either).  If Progressives are unprepared, are suckered into Obamabot “hope” and incrementalism, they will not provide an outlet.  In that case our goose is cooked.  That is why 2010 is the opportunity for a protest vote to help spur on a Progressive counter movement (true Democracy with aggressively regulated capitalism).  The downside as you say is gridlock which is trivial compared to what the future holds is we maintain this course.  Currently Obama, while he has spurred massive discontent in America, is still luring too many into complacency.

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Napolean DoneHisPart:

Thanks again for your acknowledgments. In answer to your questions, these are times, I think, when mob psychology will prevail over insight. Sorry about that, but it’s just how it is. Rove and Palin both know that, which is how they leverage their supporters. They’re total sociopaths, of course, but they’re very good at what they do.

I don’t think that in 2010 we need to do much of anything. Obama has done more to destroy the illusions of “Vichy” than any president in history. The Dems are trying to get their second wind, but with Biden and Obama continuing to insult their base, it seems doubtful that they will prevail. My fondest hope is that in 2010, Vichy’s will be crushed, its head cut off and a stake driven through its heart.

Since Berlin will probably share power with Obama after 2010, my next big hope is that Berlin too is also decapitated in 2012. By that time, the scarcity of food, resources and jobs in America should make what is happening now look pretty good. People will be scared, angry and looking for people to blame.

There is no avoiding the Tea Party. Himmler was a chicken farmer, and Joe was once a plumber—probably even before he became a Brownshirt. By 2012, the two party system will be looking pretty ragged—even to former believers. It will be time once again for a Weimar moment, 1932 vintage.

If we cannot get a real third party together in 2011 (as opposed to Thomas Friedman’s faux third party), we can expect the country to go fascist. It will be quite stunning, wherein laws are rewritten overnight and decrees are handed down that, because of the “election,” are virtually unchallengeable. Hitler was voted into power in 1932. We should all rent a copy of “Triumph of the Will,” which was made in 1933. It can’t get much more real—or much more spooky.

There is a lot at stake, therefore, and while we may finally get to the point of self-governance without the need for an external government, it probably isn’t in the cards anytime soon.

I see the 2010 election as a watershed moment, one that very well might create a strategic opportunity for us to begin to take back the night. I am not holding my breath or predicting it will happen—I think it’s rather unlikely, actually—merely pointing to a cusp, a possibility.

And I’m also saying that it sure as hell isn’t going to happen by re-electing Vichy. As Leonard Cohen once said, “It’s over, and it [the lie] ain’t going any further.”

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

mgdr wrote:

“...my points weren’t lost on everyone, thank goodness.”

You can take mine as hurtful criticism and lash out, or as a chance for you to post your points again, keep them on the current page and let me debate them.  Voting for Republicons is like shooting oneself in the head to prove that guns can kill.

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment

Johnny,

Your Heritage Foundation remark was presumably to make you look clever. Good luck with the ad hominem attacks as your life continues to unfold. You are either very young or else, you do not know how to read. In either case, my points weren’t lost on everyone, thank goodness.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

Good stuff MDGR…. just your description in what you wrote brought me to a better understanding of things… yet, how can these things be made clear FOR ALL and how can one support with evidence?

Fun with words:

Can anyone tell me the definition of Capital Punishment aside from the definition we all grew up with ( I’m thinking Orwell )..

Capital = money / fiat currency / value

Punishment = unpleasant discipline

So, aside from our conditioned and antiquated definition.. we see that when the state kills people, what in fact they could be actually doing is eliminating sources of income / the chattel / the droves of money makers, spenders and that which the state / hierarchy siphons from.

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment

mgdr wrote:

“I personally hope that Berlin wins big in 2010, and my reasoning for that outrageous statement has been outlined ad nauseum in many of these threads.”

By “Berlin” you mean you hope the Republicons win big in 2010.  It must have been hard to pull that outrageous statement out of your hat and not from the Heritage Foundation site.

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

mgdr wrote:

“I personally hope that Berlin wins big in 2010, and my reasoning for that outrageous statement has been outlined ad nauseum in many of these threads.”

By “Berlin” you mean you hope Republicons win big in 2010.  I didn’t get your reasoning for that outrageous statement.  It must have been hard to pull that one out of your hat and not from the Heritage Foundation site.

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

Thank you.

Actually, this may be a somewhat more descriptive link on the Vichy government in occupied France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy_France

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 11:36 am Link to this comment

MDGR!!!

Thanks for that post, great perspective there I must say… puts things more into the light if you know what I mean.

Good stuff!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vichy

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By mdgr, October 4, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

Back to Vichy and Berlin:

Someone recently wrote in this thread: “Protesting Demcons by voting third party and giving the car keys to the ultra-fascist Republicons?”

The implication is that Vichy (the Dems) may be better than Berlin (the G.O.P.), a proposition which others in this thread, including myself, vigorously dispute.

And that’s the new story line the Dems would have us subscribe to. That, along with the ridiculous narrative that Obama was a good guy and did the best that he could—just like he did in with the BP cover-up, the Geithner cover-up and the “sending people off the Syrian jails without torture” cover-up. And then there’s that whole Karzai cover-up.

Anyway, who the f**k cares who wins in 2010? I realize it’s a challenge, but let’s try and look at it as if it were a chess game.

If the Dems retain power, it will all but nullify the possibility of any real “vacuum” being created since Vichy will have won once again. It will also stop progressives in their tracks.

Given the current trajectory of the country, Vichy will almost certainly be blamed in 2012, and either Berlin or Stalin (the Tea Party) will pick up the slack, quite probably gaining the presidency and congress as well.

If Berlin wins in 2010, however, all it can do is advance odious agendas that will be vetoed by Obama. The sky will not fall on us. Gridlock in government, under either scenario, remains fully intact.

Given the trajectory of America, I’d want to expose the two-party system for what it is and to try and play by different rules.

I’d happily endorse anarchism except for the fact that ours is a violent society. The planet also has almost 8 billion people competing for increasingly scare resources. Until sapiens evolves into something more luminous, that option doesn’t seem presently viable.

Here, I’m looking out at a time horizon of only two years or so.

While Vichy and Berlin are, at subterranean levels, in full collusion, the game is predicated on the widely believed fiction that they are entirely different. Appearance is everything. My guess is that if Berlin wins big, Obama will be compelled to deploy the veto many times in an effort to look like the good guy.

Now, Thomas Friedman has just gone on record that he thinks both Vichy and Berlin may be doomed—not just yet, but almost certainly in 2012.

Being a quintesstential Vichy-sympathizer, Friedman makes reference to the glorious “radical center,” which is code for Vichy’s current leadership that he sees coming together as a third party. Mac users would call it an “alias.” Windows users call it a “shortcut.”

More than anything else, however, it’s an ingenious strategy for co-opting a third party momentum that Friedman thinks will actually threaten the two party system in 2012.

Mr. Friedman is a weasel, however, and there needs to be an answer to that chess move.

I personally hope that Berlin wins big in 2010, and my reasoning for that outrageous statement has been outlined ad nauseum in many of these threads.

There is not time enough, however, to argue the finer points of good or evil. To each thing, there is a season. Government will probably be with us for awhile, so we may as well hope to make it as transparent and decent as possible.

What many of us are agreed on (both anarchist and non-anarchist) is that both sides suck, and that what we have in America is a sham. I would say that it needs to be destroyed, but it is already imploding from within.

What we also agree on is that Resistance is needed, and that emphatically isn’t to be found in Vichy.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

Speaking of pot ( maybe now someone will respond to my little remarks which seem to fly onto deaf ears )...

The Democratic ballot for California governance is NEUTRAL on the cannabis initiative to legalize it.

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Lafayette, though I agree with most of your post, I vehemently disagree with your implication that pot users are dumber than the alcoholic cons who run the country:

(Anyone who thought Obama would roll into office with a Quick Fix was smoking pot.) (And there were plenty.)

Besides Jefferson and Washington, two of our most recent and arguably smarter Presidents used cannabis.  (The alcoholic cokehead doesn’t count)

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 9:01 am Link to this comment

Not trying to throw out and ignore any progress in a direction which is equitable for all parties involved Obama or his group has accomplished or are attempting.

I am pointing out that he did heed to the money changers, he did accept their campaign money and skirted around the powers that be like every other well groomed president before him ( don’t bite the hand that everyone believes is feeding them ).

Yes, the GOP will simply wait out, or ignore the progression for a more equitable and balanced economy that not only favors those capitalized with fiat currency, but also those destined to slave away daily for life for that fiat currency just to eek out an existence, stay alive and die in peace.. poor and siphoned further by greed.

Why did the economy collapse?

Really simple.

Big Capital folks sold at the top, and were insured ( and in the short position ) when all things would rush when such a vacuum of capital has left the system ( money doesn’t disappear as talking heads on tv believe and promulgate that illusion… no, money simply exchange hands ).

And the bailout was an attempt to put into the system an hopeful amount that may be commensurate with the amount that was pulled out of the system…

So in essence, the taxpayers ( the suckered and maligned and harassed chattel masses ) once again pay for the lifestyles of the rich and famous… we paid them again!

And what did most folks do after seeing all this… which most hadn’t a clue what is going on in the first place?

Put their head down and went back to work…. in fear and hope that that job would still be there, so they can earn their pennies, and pay that month’s debt obligations…

I think, unfortunately, Obama has his hands tied ( or is in fear to step out otherwise out of line ) and can only do so much…

So with that, we do need something that better defines America and look for a new breed of politico ( not pedigreed, nor groomed nor professional liars should be allowed which cannot be reprimanded when they keep the status quo and NOT break the cycle of subjugation we can all see from the outside.

I voted for him too, and was disappointed when he let the Banksters have the people’s money…. he should have been FIRED that instance!

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By Lafayette, October 4, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

THE NO VOTE IDIOCY

NDHP: To consider voting for either of the TWO-PARTY system we are LOCKED into choosing between… how can anyone with a clear conscience vote for anybody affiliated with those parties and with the very criminals who are STILL sifting us like vampires?

Ever hear about the lesser of two evils?

The choice is simple. Consider this:
•  Anyone who thought Obama would roll into office with a Quick Fix was smoking pot. (And there were plenty.)
•  He was handed the longest recession since WW2 on a silver platter by Dubya. Recessions, on average, take a good two years to get over and done such that they are just a bad memory. Some last as much as 5 or 7 years.
•  He did his best with Health Care in a Congress only tepidly for the Public Option and even with a deeply held public opinion that it was not doable. If even the least elements of the passed legislation take hold, Health Care in America WILL improve. (That’s not difficult, it is at present so much a shambles.)
•  Bush not Obama decided to bail out the banks. Given that, the banks are paying back all the funds lent to them – at a good interest rate. The Treasury is ahead of the game on that one.
•  You want somebody in Finance or Real Estate punished for the harm done. As does everybody, so ingrained is the American sense of justice. But, that may not happen – so let’s hope that the regulatory legislation passed will be sufficient to prevent the near-cataclysm from ever happening again.
•  He tried his best against the bluedogs (who should be kicked out of the Dem party) and the Troglodyte Senate with its super-majority vote. Just what magic did you expect of him? A Bill Clinton recovery that spawned the dot.com boom ‘in bust? What advance was that, except for the bank accounts of some propeller-heads in Silicon Valley?

Still think Obama has failed the Quick Fix that you so wanted? OK, go ahead, give Congress to the Reps. But don’t expect any thank you note. And we’ll see at the next Presidential elections how you feel about Not Voting.

All the Reps can do is say “No!” and stonewall whatever reform is proposed regardless of how blatantly necessary change is to the American nation. Which is evident from their brainless Pledge to America.

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By johnny, October 4, 2010 at 8:30 am Link to this comment

Protesting Demcons by voting third party and giving the car keys to the ultra-fascist Republicons?  I wonder how much the hand wringing would last if money was out of politics?  http://www.fairelections.us/

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By Anarcissie, October 4, 2010 at 8:14 am Link to this comment

ardee—I did not mean to advertise myself, but to show that even for a lazy, pessimistic, paranoid, cynical person like myself there is a lot to do in the realm of anarchistic activism.  (Or, I suppose, in any other kind of activism.)

I am rather surprised at the number of people who fulminate about the awfulness of everything, whether on blogs or in taverns, but do nothing about it.

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By Anarcissie, October 4, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

mdgr, October 3 at 11:58 pm:

... it is extremely creepy when Thomas Friedman begins making the same noises. ....

Scary, isn’t it?  I recently saw a paragraph by Friedman I completely agreed with.  That led to some very careful reflection—what was wrong with me?  Maybe it’s just a new release of the software, though.  Caution is indicated.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 4, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment

To consider voting for either of the TWO-PARTY system we are LOCKED into choosing between… how can anyone with a clear conscience vote for anybody affiliated with those parties and with the very criminals who are STILL sifting us like vampires?  And their policies haven’t changed a bit, only the words have changed and some faces, but policy is still running RED for the chattel and GREEN for the hierarchy… how can we feed them and into their schemes any longer?

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By glider, October 4, 2010 at 7:25 am Link to this comment

Ardee,

I largely agree with your drift.  I am not voting Democrat and am not seeing their current form as a solution.  My previous posts are guilty of considering their reform or some sort of 3rd Party springing forth from the disaffected among them, a possibility.  Either one requires showing discontent with the Corporatist Democrats.  Currently, any sort of likelyhood for substantial change is poor and makes any optimism appear as grasping at straws!  There is no reasonable probability of a short term solution period.

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By ardee, October 4, 2010 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, October 3 at 12:46 pm

Sorry for the second post in a row but I didn’t want to pass the opportunity to respond to your enumeration of your good citizenship. You had related these good works before and I would never seek to diminish them as they are important signs of good citizenship.

I supported ‘Food Not Bombs’ in its San Francisco infancy, 1988 I believe, actually meeting Keith McHenry on two occasions and think them a worthy organization, I applaud your participation as well as your involvement in the community.

I did not wish to plant the suspicion in your mind that I think anarchists useless and your short bio proves the point that community involvement is not the exclusive property of socialists or progressives .

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By ardee, October 4, 2010 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

glider, October 3 at 6:13 pm

Rather one “needs” to understand that the party you still see as a solution is a large part of the problem. Republics openly preach fascism while Democrats secretly practice it.

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By pundaint, October 3, 2010 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

I learned more about leading a nation from playing Utopia on Intellivision
in the 80s, than our leaders exhibit now.

Wasting your resources on military adventures makes you lose

Not supporting the population with healthcare and jobs makes you lose

In Utopia it starts revolutions.  Let’s hope it can be accomplished thru the
ballot box here.

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By mdgr, October 3, 2010 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

Third Party Rising
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: October 2, 2010

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/03/opinion/03friedman.html?_r=1&em;&exprod;=myyahoo

This is a very interesting NY Times article by Thomas Friedman. While his credibility sucks big time (he was for the Iraq war before he was against it, and that’s just for starters), he makes the case that 2012 will be the time when third parties may very well predominate. He also talks up the need for a third party of lefties, indies and disaffected Dems—without quite using those words.

While Naomi Klein and I should feel very flattered—since we’ve both been making noises along similar lines (and I’ve been getting bashed by people who didn’t bother to read through the postings), it is extremely creepy when Thomas Friedman begins making the same noises. The problem is that his sense of ethics are, in a word, totally opportunistic. (Who knows but that he’ll come back in the next lifetime as a Neocon.)

I agree with Friedman only on the need for a viable third party—and the probability of its coming together on the right, if not the left. But my guess is that Friedman would want to create a third party that consists of what I would call Vichy-style liberals—the same folks who appeared in D.C. over the weekend to urge a vote for the Dems because they are “better than Berlin.” That’s the story line that seems to be emerging, especially when I read words like “radical centrist.” What is apparent is that this meme is being strategically co-opted.

People like you, Mr. Sirota, need to attend to this. There is indeed a possibility of something big happening. Thomas Friedman’s involvement in it is, however, the kiss of death.

Next, Judith Miller will be endorsing it.

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By glider, October 3, 2010 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,
One “needs ... to tell (convince) Democrat strategists ... they can get a better .. outcome by moving their politics to the Left” or we will continue our decline.

Yes, Democrat Strategists have swapped “Ideology” for “Corporatist Corruption and the $$$$$ to Shape Votes via Propaganda”.  People must comprehend this Trend to Realize the Negative Result to Come from this Status Quo.  Currently our electoral system has failed and if we want real Democracy we need enact Publically Financed Government and Multi-Party “Instant Runoff Voting”.  But that is not what we are faced with short term.

So, in the meantime, what can one do come Election time?  My own decision now is to vote ideology rather than party line.  If the Dems end up set back I will trust Obama to do his job and have the balls to veto offensive legislation.  I am thinking longterm.  But I understand the conundrum most Democrats angst over.  For these individuals I offer a compromise.  Take a look at the polls.  If the Democrat contender is ahead by a comfortable margin, please consider a “Protest Vote” in order to influence the Democrat Strategists Decisions.  Consider not condoning their ever moving Rightward political machine.

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By REDHORSE, October 3, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

The idea of punishing the Dims by voting Rethug assumes that anyone in either Party has any interest at all in a citizens vote or concern for the American future. Rage tells me they are profligate criminals with not a “dimes worth” of difference between them.

  Is that true? Is the Obama/Biden administration no different than McCain/Palin would have been?

  The Corporate MSM (who make fortunes on the airways we own) is controlled by Rethug spinmeisters. They created most of this “mid-term” punish the Dims hysteria and are responsible for foisting most of the bat shit crazy kneejerk that replaces actual political discussion. The Rethugs do a lot more of this than the Dims. And the Rethugs are a lot less transparent about everything. The Rethugs are all back room/secret ballot graft and lie. Are the Dims likewise?

  The obvious problem that Corporate Fascist $$$$$ controls both D.C. politithugs and prevents access to healthy National political discussion is another reason for major Campaign Finance Reform. That it denies access to unbiased discussion is tragic but it is a horror that it prevents access to true political leadership. And lack of vision and true leadership is “THE” problem. There seems to be no relevance or connection between D.C. and “We the people—”. Does Washington leave us without voice or choice? Are we powerless to act in our own self defense? Are we gutless snivelers?

    Because “We the people—” represent the prey that provides blood and cash, (and because we still have some left), we’re still in their equation. But for how long? Union strength and a living wage is denied by mass importation of illegal labor which feeds International Black Market organized crime cartels. Our Industrial Base and Public Education is gutted. Criminalization of the populace is ongoing. The economy is being intentionally disassembled and our Middle Class destroyed before our eyes. More Americans go homeless daily. Financial looting of the economy continues. We are in free fall headed for Third World status. There is denial that an American Culture even exists. I believe it is intentional damage and intentional chaos. Intentional disintegration and ruin.

  Is there a difference between Dims and Rethugs? Are they even relevant to the situation anymore? Are “We the people—” so morally bankrupt we can no longer produce leadership with moral vision?

  We are adults who allow ourselves to be treated as children. We are openly lied to and manipulated. We are twisting in political space denied voice and leadership.

  “Is it real or is it Memorex?”

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 3, 2010 at 10:12 am Link to this comment

Makes you want to Emigrate, not Immigrate.

Where is today’s FDR? 

I’ve asked where is today’s Napoleon.

So I’ll ask again- “Where is today’s Napoleon?”

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By Anarcissie, October 3, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

ardee, October 1 at 6:45 pm:

Anarcissie, October 1 at 12:20 pm

I understand your position as an Anarchist but what does that leave one to do? I have always believed that doing something trumps doing nothing, if only for the inner satisfaction one achieves through political action. ...

In recent years I have been doing about one day of activism per week, mostly with Food Not Bombs (who give away free food).  I have also worked to support free stores, ‘really free free markets’, squats, etc.  I could easily spend seven days a week on activism if I wanted to.  One can also work with non-anarchists, of course; I’ve been sporadically involved with anti-war activities and more recently with anti-copyright groups.  Both groups are populated more by liberals and libertarians than anarchists.  There is no shortage of things to do.  There is a great shortage of people to do them.

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By johnny, October 3, 2010 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

The Obama Administration seems to be playing to the lowest common denominator.  Maybe most Americans are stupid.  Where is an FDR when we need one?

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By ardee, October 3, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

glider, October 1 at 9:14 pm

Yeah, it risks a short term setback, but as a most basic goal you need to make enough of a statement to tell Democrat strategists in no uncertain terms that they can get a better people plus money (wish that could be removed) outcome by moving their politics to the Left.  Voting Democrat now unfortunately just tells them to hold onto the steering wheel and push the pedal to the metal.

Thanks for the mention. Two thoughts come to mind while reading your post.

1. I wish the small but vocal coterie of democratic loyalists present would read and understand what you say here. I have always given props to those who say they seek to reform that party and am simply stunned by those, and I have to mention ITW here as chief among them, who simplify the problem beyond any mature ability to understand why by seeing the GOP as too evil to bear and thus remain in the Democratic Party camp ,all the while overlooking that those very same democrats continue to push the policies of Bush/Cheney.

2. I fear that Democrats no longer watch what the electorate does or desires, instead spending the countless millions they raise from the corporate sector to tell voters what they should be thinking. As I believe in the ultimate intelligence of those voters to smell dung when dung it is I continue to work ( locally) to bring what I consider reason and sanity to our voting patterns.

I think it evident that both major parties care only for those who write the large checks, and work solely to please them, at great cost to the bulk of this nation, to the environment,and to the health and safety of our entire world.

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By Lafayette, October 3, 2010 at 6:01 am Link to this comment

SHEER IDIOCY

NOM:
- no national health care
-  welfare bailout of wealthy Wall Street millionaires
-  death penalty continues
-  violation of privacy laws continues
-  guantanamo continues

Dontcha just luv it when some idiot reduces all the nation’s ills to just five boneheaded sound-bite bullets?

And these people have a right to vote? It’s enough to make one wanna immigrate. 8^(

Next thing you know, birdbrain will be running for Congress.

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By Lafayette, October 3, 2010 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

“Democrats, just congenitally, tend to [see] the glass as half empty,” President Obama said last month

Well, Jack, you got that right. Want a measurement? Go here.

The gini coefficient has nothing to do with the gini-in-a-bottle. It was innovated by an Italian statistician and it measures relative group strengths in terms of different variables. The link above shows the overall lack of income fairness (the gini equal to zero means no inequity whatsoever and equal to 1 means totally unfair). So, the higher the gini coefficient, the higher is income unfairness.

In terms of Income Distribution, America sits right up there at the top of the group in good company … China, Mexico,Brazil.

For a modern developed country, that is shameful. And lets not even talk about Health Care or Educational Opportunity. Makes one want to cry in their beer.

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By Not One More!, October 3, 2010 at 1:16 am Link to this comment

the wars continue and DOD budget continues to bloat

no national health care

welfare bailout of wealthy Wall Street millionaires

death penalty continues

violation of privacy laws continues

guantanamo continues


and people continue to throw away their vote whenever they vote for the democratic party.

so it goes

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, October 2, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

“400 people owning $1.4T…”

“Class warfare.”

Check out that 11 minute video.

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By REDHORSE, October 2, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

Most here agree that corporate $$$$$ is the corrupting influence that allows revolving door thugs to subvert Democracy. As MOUNTAIN BEAR and others lament: Why isn’t “public funding” in place?

    30K a plate fundraisers!! (“tweet jebus”) MAJOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM seems to be the only logical first step possible. After reading EIR it’s hard to imagine a more corrupt White House. What kind of President allows an obvious psychopath to plan destruction of Social Security and the lives of millions while the Democratic Congress plans an end run around the Bush Tax Cut issue. Obama is an abject failure.

    SAMSON is correct. The entire D.C. landscape is rigged and on the take. And we’re the suckers being taken. They’re vicious paranoid thugs and will only become more so. I’m convinced, outside the threat corrupt paranoids represent to any society, Washington is irrelevant to any sane progressive future “We the people—” might vision.

    As suggested, we should be planning for 2012. But why are we so split? The Obama/Pelosi betrayal has replaced single vision HOPE with RAGE. We seem to be looking for a unity and moral center we’re unable to define. We range from I’LL NEVER VOTE AGAIN to VOTE DEMOCRATIC AT ANY COST. But some, are joining organized political groups that take direct action on a local level. Perhaps it’s time to accept square one reality, take a hard look inward, stop being afraid of the power we possess, and begin.

  VOTE or DON’T—but D.C. is over. Stop being amazed at their baboon machiations. Accept the betrayal—get clear. IT IS A MANUFACTURED LIE. STOP BUYING IT!!

      MAJOR CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM NOW!!

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By glider, October 2, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

Tesla,
I confess the Coffee Party video jammed on me before its end, and your points sound reasonable.  But the idea being presented sounded good.  If I am not mistaken it was a grassroots effort to operate on the state level to create a 2/3 referendum for a new Constitutional Amendment designed rid Lobbyist money from the legislature and election system AMAP.  Similar to what gave rise to the 17th Amendment.  Are you saying that is a poor strategy?

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By Tesla, October 1, 2010 at 5:37 pm Link to this comment

Repost from:
http://www.alternet.org/story/148293/the_coffee_party
_ready_to_take_up_democracy_this_weekend/comments/

We have all seen how the willingness to compromise as
an opening gambit has worked in DC for the past 10
years haven’t we?

I applaud the fact that this is a TRUE grassroots
organization, but debating clubs can not make ANY
significant changes to “business as usual” or “pay
for play” of our corpora-gov institutions.

The Green Party is very much like th Coffee Party as
it is too out-gunned and too limited in the methods
and manner of engagement to have any chance of
success.

This isn’t high school anymore people. The players we
are up against are ALL professionals and backed by
buckets of money and real power. If you continue to
play by the rules (rigged) that they have established
for their own advantage, you will always lose.

We need to take a page from the play book that the
swift-boat schemers wrote. Don’t try to find and
exploit the weaknesses of your opponent. Identify and
strip him of his strengths. John Kerry was lampooned
for being a REAL war vet while W was a deserter and
look what happened to him. Max Cleland got the same
treatment. The proof of the successful formula is
already public knowledge.

To change anything without resorting to violence or
huge general strikes will require guile and
perseverance over about 10 years (do we have that
long?). To make any real changes in government we
need to eliminate or castrate two major pillars of
American society. These are the established political
parties (sorry Greens et al, but this would be the
democrats and republicans exclusively) and the laws
of incorporation for American companies. These are
all established and regulated from the state level
and therefore are much more accessible and vulnerable
to smaller disciplined groups focused on the changing
of local laws and regulations.

The plan would entail gaining as much national
support (money, pro bono lawyers and the like) to
begin the assault in the states that have the ballot
initiative process (this is where (in theory)
citizens can get unsavory, fringe or unpopular
regulations and laws placed on a state ballot during
a general election so the public can decide (not the
for sure corporately owned legislatures) if a new law
is needed or old law is eliminated.

The two major political parties must be cut off at
the knees by being forced from their positions of
privilege in being able to control who actually makes
it to the general election.

Laws of incorporation must be changed to strip them
of “personhood” as a basic requirement of becoming a
corporation in your state and making it a requirement
that any corporation operating inside your state may
not invoke any personhood rights in local legal
actions.

The laws of incorporation must also be modified
retroactively to place social and civic
responsibility criteria into them to prevent
destruction of neighborhoods, limit pollution and
eliminate their right to make campaign contributions.

Anyway, there are a couple of positive actions we can
take to begin real change in this country. We already
know that holding hands and singing Koom-ba-yah might
make you feel good, and protest marches on DC might
get 15 minutes of fame, but in the end they are
fleeting and meaningless in the arena of the real
world.

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By MeHere, October 1, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment

To Obama:
“Democrats tend to see the glass as half empty” because they don’t want to see
that it is completely empty.  Stop whining and don’t be ungrateful to those who
gave you the presidency you badly wanted.  And your Vice-President doesn’t like
people who whine. Could it be that you may be starting to talk crazy and funny? I
hope so. Presidents who talk that way become memorable, and we need humor to
get us through the day.

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By glider, October 1, 2010 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

Ardee,

Good post, and you certainly are doing your part in my opinion.  I will personally be voting for Progressive Democrats and shunning those I deem to be Corportist Viruses.  I think that that it is essential to drive the Democrat Party to the Left or we are lost anyway.  Yeah, it risks a short term setback, but as a most basic goal you need to make enough of a statement to tell Democrat strategists in no uncertain terms that they can get a better people plus money (wish that could be removed) outcome by moving their politics to the Left.  Voting Democrat now unfortunately just tells them to hold onto the steering wheel and push the pedal to the metal.

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By ardee, October 1, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie, October 1 at 12:20 pm

I understand your position as an Anarchist but what does that leave one to do? I have always believed that doing something trumps doing nothing, if only for the inner satisfaction one achieves through political action.

I happen to believe in that which our founders created, I am firmly in the corner of democratic institutions as our best hope for the individual, for the group and for the nation, perhaps even for the world. I add that I do see how perverted and perverse our system has become and understand that voting, again and again, for either major political party gets you to the same destination regardless.

I do ,in fact, work for the growth of third party politics, especially those who refuse the corporate funding that comes with corporate ownership. I also understand that I will probably not be around to see the success of said third party politics because it is an uphill battle to say the least, but one both worth the effort and one I truly believe will succeed eventually.

What I cannot do is sit idly by, posting criticisms on forums, and doing nothing else. I must believe that ,as things continue to deteriorate, and they certainly will, more and more will seek answers outside of traditional venues, thus my work today to pave the road for third party growth will see more and more taking that road tomorrow.

I do not believe in violent revolution as a real possibility, though the successes of the several revolutions that beat the crap out of us might seem attractive to some ( younger than I), nor do I hold out hope for reformation of either political party by working from within. I am driven almost to distraction by certain democratic loyalists who call the GOP the boogeyman and refuse to look at their own choice with any depth or impartiality. If someone offered an opinion or a path that seemed logical and possible to change the course of the democrats I would wish her well and good luck. Until such a movement arises I am stuck with what Ive got; an unquenchable thirst to save my nation as best as I can.

I will soon begin to go door to door for Green Party candidates, a daunting task living as I do now, in the heart of republican central valley (California) politics. But having a few doors slammed in my face, or being spurned at a folding desk in a parking lot is rather less worse that being murdered or tortured or illegally confined as so many now are in the name of democracy, and in my name and yours too.

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By Carl, October 1, 2010 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment
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We have a two party system consisting of democans and republicrats. Voting for either is throwing your vote away.

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By raykeith7, October 1, 2010 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

How did Obama ever think he would retain his voter support when he ran on renewable energy then refused solar cells on the whitehouse? Dar i doorman
eloquent speech- yes
Brains- hardly!

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By Hammond Eggs, October 1, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

Want to know what real vampires look like?  Look at the two in the accompanying photo.

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By Samson, October 1, 2010 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

Follow the money.

Remember Bush and the ‘Pioneers’. That mighty fund-raising machine that beat the Democrats in 2000 and 2004.

Bush raised around $350 to $370 million in each year, 2000 and 2004.

Obama raised $750 million in 2008.  Opensecrets.org did a study that says approx 1/3rd was in ‘small’ donations (<$200).  But, that means 2/3rds, or $500 million was in ‘large’ donations.

Obama raised $500 million in ‘large’ donations.  Compare that to Bush’s $370 million in previous years.

Wall Street gave $30 million to get their bailouts and their protection from reform or prosecutions. And that’s just to Obama. Who knows how much to the Democrats in Congress.

Big Health Care Corps gave $30 million to get their government handouts, their ‘mandated’ customers, and the new bill that completely blocks all reform of health insurance for four more years.

Meanwhile, McCain was so broke that he had to apply for public financing.  Did you ever think you’d see a Republican on public financing?  That means he couldn’t raise a measly $80 million in the last election.

Follow the money is very good advice.

The only thing that happened in 2008 is that the money that had been backing Bush moved over to back Obama. Obama set new records for raking in the corporate cash in 2008, while McCain was broke and on public financing.

Understand that, and you know all you need to know about Obama.  Understand that, and you’ll know all you need to know as to why Obama governs like a Republican.  Because the same money that put Bush into office put Obama into office.

And, as long as we are dumb enough to keep electing people with millions of dollars of corporate cash in their pockets, nothing will change and we’ll keep getting shafted.

Just because they spent the corporate money buying big banners that said ‘CHANGE’, that doesn’t mean that they really wanted change. In fact, its a sure bet that the last thing the Bush corporate money in Obama’s accounts wanted was Change.

Don’t get fooled again. Don’t vote for candidate with money. If you see a candidate running TV ads, you know they are bought and paid for and not on your side.  Vote for someone else.

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By Samson, October 1, 2010 at 9:25 am Link to this comment

Its funny to watch the Democrats propaganda about the power of the President.

When Bush was president, then he was the almighty-all-powerful, imperial president.

Heck, the Democrats even tried to tell us that Dick Cheney ran the world from the most useless office on the planet, the vice-presidency.

Now, the Democrats try to tell us that under Obama the Presidency is so weak that Obama can’t order a sandwich without someone else’s approval.

Can’t you see its all a con?

Notice for instance how the Democrats never used the filibuster to block Bush.  But, now the Democrats let the Senate Republicans walk all over them with the filibuster.  And notice how the Democrats never use any of the 200 years worth of tactics of how to deal with the filibuster, like attaching what you want to another bill they want.

Its all a con. The same money backs the Democrats as the Republicans.  In 2008, the corporate money just moved from Bush to Obama.  That’s all that happened.

Democrats = Republicans
Don’t vote for either.

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By Mountain Bear, October 1, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment

My theory is that the Democrats finally figured out
that the Republicans sandbagged the last election by
running Flip Flop McCain and “I quit” Palin, so they
didn’t have to take the blame for the next great
depression. We know they (along with Slick Willy)
caused it by removing all the banking regulations
that were put in place during the first great
depression so the banksters couldn’t cause another
one… Now the Dems want to throw the mid-terms so
they don’t have to be remembered as being the
majority when this one takes place. Of course both
parties work for the same corporations so it’s all
marketing anyway. Here’s my pledge - I pledge to vote
against all incumbents until:

* Election campaigns are all publicly funded.
* Corporations no longer have the same rights as
people. If people lived forever it would be ok. We
don’t so it isn’t.

Let’s stop being conservatives vs progressives and
all just go back to being Americans who want decent
roads to drive on, good schools for our children and
the ability to make a living to support our families
without having to work ourselves to death. Oh, and be
able to get treatment for illness or injury without
having to file bankruptcy.

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By Samson, October 1, 2010 at 9:20 am Link to this comment

The key is not to vote for the candidates that others have bought.

Why on earth would anyone think that voting for candidates who get millions from Wall Street and big business would be good for us?

Today’s Democrats run a con. They pretend to be progressive to the voters. But they go to the lobbyists with their hand out.  The old school Democrats were always broke, because they refused to do what the lobbyists wanted. Today’s Democrats out-fund-raise the Republicans, because they promise to do what the lobbyists want.

Do not vote for the candidate with money.
Do not vote for the candidate you see on corporate TV.

The candidate to vote for is the broke one who is either neither on TV, or who is attacked and ridiculed on TV.

Do not vote for any candidate who raises millions of dollars.  They are already bought. And since you didn’t buy them, since we can’t afford to buy them, that means we know they are not on our side.

Voting for someone who is not on our side is political suicide.  It doesn’t matter whether the other candidate is also not on our side. If you vote for a candidate with money who’s not on your side, then you lose.

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By mdgr, October 1, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment

Thanks for this, David.

A lot of cr*p is presently being offered-up suggesting Obama’s hands were tied, along with those of the Dems. This is, of course, the story line the DNC wants us to believe so as to mobilize its base.

While that was occasionally true, this election represents a referendum on the utter failure of leadership from Obama and the Dems. It represents the consequences of endless betrayals on the part of the DNC and Obama.

I’ll be sitting this election out, preferably burning my ballot with a million others in a televised bonfire that, in the end, would make a most dramatic statement.
It’s probably wishful thinking to imagine such a bonfire, but maybe someone who has the necessary connections can actually turn it into a media event.

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By Samson, October 1, 2010 at 9:16 am Link to this comment

Bill Gates just announced that the Afghan War will go on forever.  He litterally said that US troops will never leave Afghanistan.

Don’t act like this isn’t Obama’s plan.  Gates is Obama’s hand-picked person to lead the Def. Dept.

This is what you get when you vote Democrat.  They put Republicans into the cabinet and just continue along with Republican policies.

If you want something different, DON’T VOTE DEMOCRAT.

The Democrats lied to you.  They pretended to be against the wars in order to con you into voting for them. Then the Democrats turn out to be as big of warmongers as the Republicans.

Do you like the idea of your tax money going to pay for two never-ending wars? Instead of maybe providing jobs and stimulus at home. If you like this, then register your support by voting Democrat.

If you don’t like this, then DON’T VOTE DEMOCRAT.

Its too late to reverse the con-game of the 2008 election.  But its not to late to tell the Democrats what you think about the way they conned you and lied to you.

DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT in Nov.

If this bunch of Democrats go down in flaming defeat, then maybe the next bunch might learn that they can’t lie to their voters. Maybe the next bunch will learn that the next time we the people give the Democrats power that they’d better do what we elected them to do.

DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT!  Send a message that you do not like this.  DO NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT!

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By felicity, October 1, 2010 at 8:21 am Link to this comment

tedmurphy41 hit the real nail on its real head.  Deep
Throat told Woodward to ‘follow the money’ and all
would be revealed. If ‘we’ follow the money today,
all will be revealed.

ardee makes some excellent points.  The only trouble
is, the average ‘we’ out here can’t afford,
literally, to buy our candidates.  Even if one of
‘our’ candidates gets elected, ‘we’ don’t have the
money to ‘buy’ his votes. 

The deck is stacked.  AFL-CIO has 6 lobbyists which
puts them 74th on the list headed by business
lobbyists who have thousands of lobbyists working for
them.  Environmental protection, child welfare, human
rights lobbyists don’t even make the list.  Five-
hundred American companies have permanent offices in
DC - 61,000 lobbyists.

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By Anarcissie, October 1, 2010 at 8:20 am Link to this comment

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ardee, October 1 at 8:42 am:

‘Almost every day we read yet another article bemoaning the shallowness, ineffectiveness, cowardice, complicity et.al. of the Democrats. Yet nowhere it seems do we find any suggestion as to what progressives, moderates, liberals and lefties can do about it. ...’

Well, not from the WaPo columnists.  But what do you expect?  For those who think electoral politics does anything, the course is obvious: get out and organize proggie primary challenges and whole new (or old) alternate political parties.  Progs should have started organizing for the 2010 Congressional elections as soon as they were dumped off the bandwagon in 2008, or at least by the time Mr. O’s cabinet appointments made it clear what kind of administration he was going to run.  Today, they should be organizing for 2012.

The Obama administration’s berating of the proggies is pretty weird and worthy of comment, though.  Traditionally, when you’ve abused your base you throw them a few bones just before the election, and then go back to abusing them after it.  The utter contempt manifested by the Democratic Party leadership is something new to me.

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By SoTexGuy, October 1, 2010 at 7:05 am Link to this comment

“It’s NOT the economy, stupids”..

That goes out to most all the policy wonks and media hacks trying to explain Obama’s (and by association the Democrat’s) sagging popularity and lackluster polling.

Oh sure the economy stinks.. But when Obama continued so many of Bush’s despicable programs, refused to go after torturers and war criminals.. Expanded war, failed to rein in the Department of Justice.. rewarded the Wall Street cabals.. In fact failed to in most any way address or redress the crimes and misdemeanors of the Bush/Cheney junta both at home an abroad.. THAT’S what has collapsed the coalition of groups and people that swept him and the Democratic majority into office.. 

And that’s why announcements and pronouncements of more band-aids for the bumps and ‘owies’ of the truly suffering middle class ain’t gonna cut it in November.

But hey!.. some people know the real issues.. here’s one guy: “President Obama should be defending human rights and the democratic values the U.S. preaches to the world, rather than going to court to defend the lies and gruesome crimes of the Bush Administration.”

It should come as no surprise that kind of stuff won’t hit the news cycle and won’t play big in TD either.. How far divorced from the American pig-trough of money and influence we call ‘politics’ does one have to be to have the stones to make such a statement? Pretty far, it seems.. The person quoted is General Talal Al-Zahrani, RET Saudi Arabian! BU-Yah to him! Link: http://harpers.org/archive/2010/09/hbc-90007668

Be warned, there’s more in that page that will make you rethink your voting for Obama.. (I did, I know).

Have a super day.

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By Big B, October 1, 2010 at 6:02 am Link to this comment

What has Prez Barry done that your run-of-the-mill repug wouldn’t or couldn’t do? He gave us a bailout that was about a third the size needed, and was nearly half those magical tax breaks that repugs love so much. He gave us healthcare reform, that is nothing but a bailout for the bloated healthcare industry, While giving us working class shlubs “tax breaks” to buy already expensive and ineffective medical insurance. He has continued the illegal and ill advised misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, even escalating the latter. Don’t ask, don’t tell is still there, despite his power of the pen to end it. He has done nothing about the Bush tax cuts (or the Reagan tax cuts) And perhaps his biggest and most telling tilt to the right, his abject refusal to chase down and prosecute Bush era war criminals. (because he of course wants to reserve the right to commit those same attrocities with the same impunity)

What have the dimmos done for us that would not have happened under McCain anyway?

Until Barry addresses these perceptions (facts) he will suffer the throws of a man with a dissappointed and critical base. He has committed a classic political faux paux, he took his base for granted, while attempting to play kissy face with an enemy that never has had, and never will have, any respect for him or his views.

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By Rigor, October 1, 2010 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

It was a phenomenal sales pitch, his election
campaign, rainbows and brotherhood… for them. The
“masses” get the floods and welfare.
As the light of reality begins to start showing the
truths of this administration don’t be surprised to
find BHO has alot in common with GWB.

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By kerryrose, October 1, 2010 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Sirota’s book ‘Hostile Takeover’ is very important to read for those of us who care about specific policies that are or have been bought by corporate interests, and those politicians on both sides that voted the people down the river.

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By RayLan, October 1, 2010 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

Oh dear- The MilkToast Appeaser is finally showing some hutzpah at his own supporters no less LOL- too bad he didn’t grow a pair when dealing with the rabid Reps pushing through the so-called reforms (compromises and appeasements) - and he’s a hawk on top of it, cause we don’t wat to get the opposition mad. Gimme a f___ing break.

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By tedmurphy41, October 1, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

Fundraisers?
This is where your “democratic” process breaks down.
You stand for the Presidency, Congress, and to the positions of Governor of the various States that make up America but, if you are not rich or do not have the backing of wealthy “friends” or financial institutions, you cannot stand with any real chance of success, even if you are the best qualified candidate.
When you manage to overcome this ‘little problem’, then you may be on the way to becoming a Real democracy.

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By FiftyGigs, October 1, 2010 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

“The way Democratic leaders tell it, their party’s current “enthusiasm gap” comes from rank-and-file voters who are irrational and pessimistic complainers.”

Yeah, baby! Keep sarcasm alive!

Every so-called media pundit, when asked to objectively consider whether or not President Obama’s accomplishments have been short-changed by the liberal media, says, “Yes.”

Of course, their next word was “but” followed by a multi-week, multi-media excuse—like this article—parsing the nuance of every legislative tactic.

That lady in the audience isn’t the only one who’s exhausted. David Sirota obviously can barely manage to repeat the same tired story.

It isn’t just the old “man, I’m bummed” lament. We’re self-flagellating from the Clinton-era again. Remember all those questions about Clinton keeping his promises? Yes. Now, we’re accusing President Obama of not keeping his.

In between were the accusations about Bush not keeping his… oh, wait. The liberal media gave Bush a pass on that. Remember?

The liberal media isn’t as liberal as you might think.

You can bet that Sirota won’t be writing any articles about how we’re exhausted reading him.

If you’re mad at the Democrats, consider how much the liberal media has let you down. Why isn’t Sirota writing about ANY of the President’s accomplishments?

You want payback? Vote Democratic, just to enjoy the sight of all these pundits offering more of their precious “expertise”.

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