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The Pictures of War You Aren’t Supposed to See

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Posted on Jan 4, 2010
AP / Adem Hadei

An Iraqi woman takes her dead son into her arms. The 6-year-old was killed on the way home from enrolling for his first year of school.

By Chris Hedges

War is brutal and impersonal. It mocks the fantasy of individual heroism and the absurdity of utopian goals like democracy. In an instant, industrial warfare can kill dozens, even hundreds of people, who never see their attackers. The power of these industrial weapons is indiscriminate and staggering. They can take down apartment blocks in seconds, burying and crushing everyone inside. They can demolish villages and send tanks, planes and ships up in fiery blasts. The wounds, for those who survive, result in terrible burns, blindness, amputation and lifelong pain and trauma. No one returns the same from such warfare. And once these weapons are employed all talk of human rights is a farce. 

In Peter van Agtmael’s “2nd Tour Hope I don’t Die” and Lori Grinker’s “Afterwar: Veterans From a World in Conflict,” two haunting books of war photographs, we see pictures of war which are almost always hidden from public view. These pictures are shadows, for only those who go to and suffer from war can fully confront the visceral horror of it, but they are at least an attempt to unmask war’s savagery.

“Over ninety percent of this soldier’s body was burned when a roadside bomb hit his vehicle, igniting the fuel tank and burning two other soldiers to death,” reads the caption in Agtmael’s book next to a photograph of the bloodied body of a soldier in an operating room. “His camouflage uniform dangled over the bed, ripped open by the medics who had treated him on the helicopter. Clumps of his skin had peeled away, and what was left of it was translucent. He was in and out of consciousness, his eyes stabbing open for a few seconds. As he was lifted from the stretcher to the ER bed, he screamed ‘Daddy, Daddy, Daddy, Daddy,’ then ‘Put me to sleep, please put me to sleep.’ There was another photographer in the ER, and he leaned his camera over the heads of the medical staff to get an overhead shot. The soldier yelled, ‘Get that fucking camera out of my face.’ Those were his last words. I visited his grave one winter afternoon six months later,” Agtmael writes, “and the scene of his death is never far from my thoughts.”

“There were three of us inside, and the jeep caught fire,” Israeli soldier Yossi Arditi, quoted in Grinker’s book, says of the moment when a Molotov cocktail exploded in his vehicle. “The fuel tank was full and it was about to explode, my skin was hanging from my arms and face—but I didn’t lose my head. I knew nobody could get inside to help me, that my only way out was through the fire to the doors. I wanted to take my gun, but I couldn’t touch it because my hands were burning.” [To see long excerpts from “Afterwar” and to read an introduction written by Chris Hedges, click here.]

Arditi spent six months in the hospital. He had surgery every two or three months, about 20 operations, over the next three years.

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“People who see me, see what war really does,” he says.

Filmic and most photographic images of war are shorn of the heart-pounding fear, awful stench, deafening noise and exhaustion of the battlefield. Such images turn confusion and chaos, the chief element of combat, into an artful war narrative. They turn war into porn. Soldiers and Marines, especially those who have never seen war, buy cases of beer and watch movies like “Platoon,” movies meant to denounce war, and as they do so revel in the despicable power of the weapons shown. The reality of violence is different. Everything formed by violence is senseless and useless. It exists without a future. It leaves behind nothing but death, grief and destruction. 

Chronicles of war, such as these two books, that eschew images and scenes of combat begin to capture war’s reality. War’s effects are what the state and the press, the handmaiden of the war makers, work hard to keep hidden. If we really saw war, what war does to young minds and bodies, it would be harder to embrace the myth of war. If we had to stand over the mangled corpses of the eight schoolchildren killed in Afghanistan a week ago and listen to the wails of their parents we would not be able to repeat clichés about liberating the women of Afghanistan or bringing freedom to the Afghan people. This is why war is carefully sanitized. This is why we are given war’s perverse and dark thrill but are spared from seeing war’s consequences. The mythic visions of war keep it heroic and entertaining. And the press is as guilty as Hollywood. During the start of the Iraq war, television reports gave us the visceral thrill of force and hid from us the effects of bullets, tank rounds, iron fragmentation bombs and artillery rounds. We tasted a bit of war’s exhilaration, but were protected from seeing what war actually does.

The wounded, the crippled and the dead are, in this great charade, swiftly carted off stage. They are war’s refuse. We do not see them. We do not hear them. They are doomed, like wandering spirits, to float around the edges of our consciousness, ignored, even reviled. The message they tell is too painful for us to hear. We prefer to celebrate ourselves and our nation by imbibing the myth of glory, honor, patriotism and heroism, words that in combat become empty and meaningless. And those whom fate has decreed must face war’s effects often turn and flee. 

Saul Alfaro, who lost his legs in the war in El Salvador, speaks in Grinker’s book about the first and final visit from his girlfriend as he lay in an army hospital bed.


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By Business Finance Market, January 10, 2011 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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By drbhelthi, May 25, 2010 at 12:54 am Link to this comment

Mssr. John Hanks, I would like to know what criteria you apply in order to separate the “israeli leadership” from the WWII NAZI? Is not their lineage traceable to the same wandering tribe that murdered and pillaged as they pleased, and attributed their actions to the “god” they postulated?

The leaders of this tribe have excellent PR and “mind control” techniques. Just look at how they have infiltrated the U.S. Congress, the U.S. military, and western world business. And the puppetized leaders of these “organisations” think they are working for the “god” that these genocidists postulated?

Now, they directly genocide Palestineans, while manipulating the U.S. Congress and the U.S. military to genocide the entire “Near East.”

Their techniques for creating and staffing the US CIA is in itself interesting.

Their planting explosives in the three WTC bldgs. and then blowing them up, while blaming the folk they are genociding, with assistance of the NAZI family Bush, is terrible, yet remarkable. Did the family Bush hire them with US tax monies?

Is their double-handful of super-rich leaders now planning to repeat their attack on another US vessel similar to the USS Liberty, in order to distract from their sabotage of their illegal BP platform in the Gulf of Mexico, that is ruining the entire gulf coast?

Is the administration of the Kenyan, Mr. Hussein Obama, planning to cover their oil revenue loses with US taxpayer monies that exist only on paper?

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By John Hanks, May 24, 2010 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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Scrabble cheat is a fairly typical Republican liar and bully.

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By John Hanks, May 24, 2010 at 1:44 pm Link to this comment
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Scrabble cheat didn’t tell the rest of the story.  This is typical of a Republican liar and bully.

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By NZDoug, January 13, 2010 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment
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This is XLNT!
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article24384.htm

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By John Hanks, January 10, 2010 at 9:34 am Link to this comment
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To R.Fidler:  What do you think you know?  Mental and moral cowardice isn’t impressive, though it is the rule with Republicans.  I’m tired of funding Israel.  Zionists make Nazis look good.

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By johannes, January 10, 2010 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

My Greatgrandfather and grandfather were Dominèes, Dutch hervormd, my grandfather told me that his religion wash used to keep the people in the harness, so they worked whole their lives and dit not ask difficult questions, I kind of soft slavery.

Some imigrated to the States as they sayd, to come in an other kind of slavery, but with an coat of freedom, most came back while the gras wash not that much greener in the states.

Our grandfather told us all the time that Darwin was right, and that evolution was much stronger as religion, wath was an man made history, with maby an
hart of truth, he told us that the human- being is the most important, but that the most religions just use the humans for their greatness and glorie, and try to hold the woman out of the picture, while woman are the strongest and also living in an protected situation, while it are the woman who are giving birth to new human, and even the Pope has an mother but this is never coming in view, not the mother of Mohamed. Keep it cool they all came falling from heaven.

I am not against any religion, but I am against all hypocrites, you know the ones with the splitted tong.


Salutation.

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By the observer, January 9, 2010 at 3:49 pm Link to this comment
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So where are the pictures???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

You right about it but don’t follow through and show them.

Figure out what side your on

please

for truth

or pretending to be for it

I expected to see the horrific truth but…
not

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By diamond, January 9, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Tom Collins don’t waste your time on LemuelG. He’s a lost cause. Just be glad you’ve still got your soul because he lost his a long time ago.

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By DaveZx3, January 8, 2010 at 2:15 am Link to this comment

By LocalHero, January 7 at 4:42 pm #

“And, speaking of delusional. You go ahead and follow the “teachings” of a man who never existed DaveZx3. The rest of us will live in the real world. You’re living a Lie - which you’re free to do of course - as long as you leave the sane people alone. Live in mental slavery rather that take responsibility for your life & the lives of everyone around you. The Big Guy In The Sky is in charge. Religion has always been used by the powers-that-be to control the sheep. Yep, you’re “all set” alright. All set for the loony-bin.”

I suppose the ultimate defense mechanism of the “sane” people is absolute denial.  At some point, all history will have to be denied by those “sane” people who find it terribly troublesome. 

If the “sane” people ever ascened to power, we will all have to admit that most things never actually happened, but were made up by conspirators.

Anyone who continues to think that something actually happened will be labeled “delusional” and “all set for the loony bin”. 

How enlightening.

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By babka, January 7, 2010 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks for the welcome, Tom Williams.  I love it when people project their
own “issues” on people they don’t know. 

Here’s a quote s.pecially for you.

“A temperamentally angry man may be more inclined to anger than another.
But as long as he remains sane he is still free not to be angry. His inclination to
anger is simply a force in his character which can be turned to good or evil,
according to his desires. If he desires what is evil, his temper will become a
weapon of evil against other men and even against his own soul. If he desires
what is good, his temper can become the controlled instrument for fighting the
evil that is in himself and thus helping other men to overcome the obstacles
which they meet in the world. He remains free to desire either good or evil.”
Merton in “Thoughts in Solitude”

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By DBM, January 7, 2010 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Paddy ...

I am in agreement that the current systems encourage psychopaths to rise to the top in corporate and political life.  However, I don’t think that even the top spots in these organisations are universally or even primarily occupied by genuine psychopaths.  Equally, it is not the “go along to get along” crowd that carries water for these leaders ... it is all of us.  It is the norm.

The two most famous experiments on this behaviour you’ve probably heard of but if not look up the Milgram experiment and the Stanford prison experiment.  Given the anonymity of group membership or the release from responsibility of obeying authority, it seems that people who do NOT behave in ways which could be deemed psychopathic or inhumane are the exception not the rule.  I think this is something that has surprised people forever ... “the banality of evil” is a catchphrase often used by those seeking to understand how heinous acts can be committed only to find that the perpetrators are not all that special in any way.

It is good to acknowledge this fact as it can help you seek perspective on your own actions.  It also allows you to acknowledge the humanity of people who do things you abhor.  This is important if you want to understand them because they are not usually monsters, just people who do monstrous things.

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By Tom Williams, January 7, 2010 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

For fucks sake LemuelG,

              cheap shots? Here`s one small example & I`m not claiming victimhood Mr. O`neil it`s just the way it happened.
When a British patrol pulls your Dad`s car over at a checkpoint, your mam`s in the front & you`re in the back with your brothers & sister, they stick SLR`s through the windows, then they drag the “Thick Irish Paddy Terrorist” out onto the road & kick the shit out of him in front of you of your screaming mother & siblings I think I have a right to make a judgement on an `occupying soldier` don`t you? that affects a 10 year old child & that`s the very mildest of what I saw & experienced.

I`m not wasting anymore of my time justyfying myself to you, you should be fucking ashamed about what you`ve said to me, call yourself an Irishman you probably wouldn`t recognise the flag,

Internet-only revolutionary? I`m not going to incriminate myself for you, I`m not even going to allow myself to get pissed off at you, I actually pity you, you`re a gobshite bollix as we`d say,

that`s it no more you`re not dragging me back down into the slime you inhabit, I even tried to be concilliratory at the end of my last post to you, I`ll pray for your soul that`s your only hope.

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By LemuelG, January 7, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Tom Williams - You don’t seem as foolish as many here, but dig this - merely being Irish does not give you any particular understanding of, or the right to judge, an occupying soldier (duh)... don’t pretend, just admit that you don’t know what it’s like - that’s ok - good for you, you are better-off for it (honestly).

I have personally played the role of occupier (to a very limited degree) and I promise you that the worst of what you have heard is true, but it is simply unfair (and naive) to write-off every soldier as an incorrigible murderer and rapist - no amount of justification on your behalf can legitimize the views you’ve expressed here, because you’re guilty of sweeping generalizations - which never hold-up under close examination (whatever the subject).

My point is that it’s quite disgusting (and cowardly) for people sitting in comfortable, safe locations to pass judgement on those who’re working under conditions that the self-appointed judge could not possibly comprehend. Hey - if you were on the streets for the Easter rebellion I’ll eat my words, if you’re ex-IRA I’ll eat my hat…. it’s pretty fucking lame of you to co-opt many generations of Irish struggle to justify your cheap-shot making on the internet (I’m an O’Neill - do I get to claim victimhood too? Fucking douchebag loser - I too have evolved in the last ten years, but only to have more contempt for those who use manipulative rhetoric and co-opt others suffering to forward their own agenda).

Your attitude is utopian, whether you use the phrase or not - you imagine and pine-for an idealized society and world… and you take offense when I call-you-out for having your head up your ass? Boo-hoo, sorry for interrupting your daydreams.

Not much of what you say is relevant to anything at all (let alone to what I’ve written) - just the regurgitated blatherings of many a flaccid internet-only revolutionary. I don’t require you lectures or advice, but thanks anyway - spare it for the rest of the ninnies ‘round here.

Perhaps (I think) the greatest difference between us is that you believe the human-race is capable of better… and I lost my faith in ‘humanity’ long ago… what does that mean? Has it ever existed?

We are animals my friend, even the best among us capable of the most depraved acts under the appropriate circumstances - indeed, it’s something I’ve seen first-hand, and if you’d pick-up a ‘history-book’ you might get a hint of what I’m saying. An Irishman should know better.

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By LocalHero, January 7, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Sorry LemuelG,

“You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war.” Albert Einstein

If you think you can, you’re just kidding yourself - not anybody else.

And, speaking of delusional. You go ahead and follow the “teachings” of a man who never existed DaveZx3. The rest of us will live in the real world. You’re living a Lie - which you’re free to do of course - as long as you leave the sane people alone. Live in mental slavery rather that take responsibility for your life & the lives of everyone around you. The Big Guy In The Sky is in charge. Religion has always been used by the powers-that-be to control the sheep. Yep, you’re “all set” alright. All set for the loony-bin.

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By Tom Williams, January 7, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

DaveZX3 thankyou,

Wow! Babka some serious self esteem issues going on there, that`s an incredibly sad & negative perspective of the human being you have & the attempt with the philosophical quotes are pretty vaccuous & semantically meaningless, other than to those who would rather wallow in self pity.

Mark twain, once said,

“The earth is the insane asylum of the universe”

& I guess if you were an alien looking down from outer space & saw how we humans conduct our affairs
you`d have to agree on some level, but on another level through personal experience & travel I would have to say that it`s a relative small number of people who are running the world`s affairs for their own self interest & that the majority of people around the world are generally decent. i.e. they care about their families, they want a decent education, they want acess to health care, good food & water etc.

In the U.S. alone 4% of the population controls 80% of the countries “wealth” which translates to, the richest country in the world has,

the highest prison population, the biggest gap between the rich & the poor, the largest percentage of “ghettoised” people (Those trapped in the poverty cycle), the worst accesss to health care, the lowest No.of college graduates as a percentage of the population, of all the western social “Democracies” (I use the term loosely) Different puppet, same puppet masters.
And you mean to seriously tell me it`s not the system generating all these problems, give me a break man.

Armies,navies, police forces, war, poverty, lawyers, bankers, accountants, weapons of mass destruction all show that the human race is not “Civillised” yet!(Don`t take that pesonally, lawyers & accountants, it`s just that in the future your jobs will no longer be `relevant`)

But the picture at the top of this page with the mother cradling her dead son makes me more commited than ever to dedicating my life so that future generations look back at pictures like that in disbelief that humans once treated each other in such an abominal way, we owe her that at least.

In the words of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

“I BELIEVE THAT UNARMED TRUTH & UNCONDITIONAL LOVE WILL HAVE THE FINAL WORD IN REALITY”

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By John Hanks, January 7, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment
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I saw a car covered with computer printed signs against the filth who think they run this country.  Have any of you put up any signs yet?  No editor can mess with them.

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By DaveZx3, January 7, 2010 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

Tom Williams,

I didn’t notice any errors.  I understand where you are coming from, and I think you have very good intentions. 

I will try to get through the information you have posted before I make any further comments.

Best Wishes

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By babka, January 7, 2010 at 7:30 am Link to this comment
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“we have met the enemy and he is us” - Pogo

“organized religion”? naw.  Personal, individualized crucifixion, the inside job:

“When he died on the cross, he did that, in the wild weather of his outlying
provinces in the torture of the body of his revelation, which he had done at
home in glory and gladness.” - George MacDonald

“The Sane Ones:  It is the sane ones, the well-adapted ones, who can without
qualms and without nausea aim the missiles and press the buttons that will
initiate the great festival of destruction that they, the sane ones, have
prepared. What makes us so sure, after all, that the danger comes from a
psychotic getting into a position to fire the first shot in a nuclear war?
Psychotics will be suspect. The sane ones will keep them far from the button.
No one suspects the sane, and the sane ones will have perfectly good reasons,
logical, well-adjusted reasons, for firing the shot. They will be obeying sane
orders that have come sanely down the chain of command. And because of
their sanity, they will have no qualms at all. When the missiles take off, then, it
will be no mistake.”
- Thomas Merton in “Raids on the Unspeakable”

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By paddy, January 7, 2010 at 7:22 am Link to this comment
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DBM, January 7 at 4:38 am, I disagree with you quite strongly (80% disagree, 20% agree, maybe).  Brain scans for psychopathy will change the world, imo. 

Of course the majority of corporate officers or military officers are not psychopathic. But I don’t believe it is as simple as your statement “The problem is the system not the people.”  If actual psychopaths rise to decision making positions then they carry along the corrupt and the go-along-to-get-along crowd.  If psychopaths (who can be identified by brain structure scans) are not allowed in these positions then we would have a totally different world, again imo.

My experience is in the corporate world, and from this experience I would say that if corporations are allowed psychopathic freedoms then actual psychopaths will and do rise to the top.  It’s like water flowing downhill.  Who’s going to feel the most comfortable cheating widows and orphans?  Psychopaths of course, and they’ll do the best job of it (i.e., gain the highest profit for the corporation).

In the military who could refer to the deaths of women and children as “bugsplat” (assuming they do - however their actions certainly back up that claim), psychopaths of course - actual and now identifiable psychopaths.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 7, 2010 at 6:09 am Link to this comment

Congratulations everybody!  You’ve identified the enemy.  Now get up and fight like apes!!!

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By Tom Williams, January 7, 2010 at 4:25 am Link to this comment

DaveZx3,
      apologies for the mistakes in that last post, I was in a rush, I hope it is reasonably coherent, cheers,

          Tom

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By Tom Williams, January 7, 2010 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

Dave Zx3,

    I to would love to see the teachings of Jesus put into practice on this earth, but 2,000 years have passed & the message still doesn`t seem to be getting through. Quoting me a paragraph from a long explanation of what we want to achieve is completely irrelevant without deeper study.

If somebody read 1 page from a book & another person read the whole book whose review would you trust more? If you had read further you would also have seen this quote,

  “As we realize that knowledge and hence our institutions are always evolving, we see that any belief system which claims to “know” anything, without allowing for dispute, is a failed perspective. Religion, with its foundation in faith, is the king of this distortion, as it claims to know something definitively about the most complex and elusive origins of human kind, and this simply is not possible in an emergent universe.”

All organised religion is just another form of institutionalised social control, hence all cultures adapt & distort “The message” to suit the culture & enironment of the time.

Slave owners believed themselves to be `good` & `decent` people as did the the pilots who dropped the atomic bomb as do the Islamic fundamentalist suicide bombers who cause carnage on Israeli buses who then take their revenge by shooting Palestinian civillians & so the cycle goes on. All these people I`m sure feel what they are doing is `The right thing` or `God`s Will` when all they are doing is refecting the values & cultures they have been doctrinated in to.

At the zeitgeist movement we are just trying to do what all religions claim to want, peace on earth, love for thy neighbour etc. It`s just that we have actively decided to pursue this goal through reason & logic as it says in your Bible,

“In heaven as it is on earth”

In order to know the “Truth” as you put it I would have to know `Everything` but as we live in an `Emergent` universe that`s just not possible, `Truth` is a relevant concept, everything that we `know` is actually all ony a series of probabilities even science, which we trust the most as the most reliable source of `testable` & therefore observable `truth` changes over time as our knowledge grows.
People used to think the arth was flat, that the sun revolved around the earth etc. until new knowledge became available.

We live on a finite planet, spinning in space we have a responsibilty to one another & our environment to take care of each other & try & make this journey through life as fulfilling as possible for all the worlds people, we are coming to a critical point in human evolution, our social structures are beginning to fall apart & we are approaching the tipping point in regards damage to our environment now more than ever to try a new solution to our problem.

We are not a `scheme` we are sincere & as honest as we feel we can be in addressing the problems that confront us. Our ideas may be seen as `radical` but isn`t that exactly why the Romans & the Jews put the `Jesus` character on a cross, his ideas threatened their power structure.

He also cried out

“Forgive them lord for they know not what they do”

Peace & good luck to you

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By DBM, January 7, 2010 at 12:38 am Link to this comment

By paddy, January 6 at 5:57 pm #
“Those born without consciences or empathy can not develop them.  They are called psychopaths. 
BUT, they can be detected by brain scan.  They have different brains because they are essentially a subspecies, an alternate form of humanity.
All politicians and officers should be required to undergo such brain scans to prove they lack the sociopathic brain structure. “

Unfortunately, study after study of empirical evidence and some famous clinical experiments have shown that most people can and will behave as psychopaths under the right conditions.  When authority is removed from the subject (“just following orders”) they will do things they would never do themselves.  When acting collectively rather than individually they will do things they would never do alone.

Corporations, and the rules and laws underpinning them, are totally focused on the profit motive.  The people in corporations are not psychopaths but they are willing to do things they are told to collectively which they totally disagree with and would never do alone.  Why is Wendell Potter the only insurance executive to break ranks and admit that the companies are focused on denying payments and excluding people who need health insurance?  Because the rest of them don’t have to answer to their own consciences, they are operating collectively and following established rules.  Would all those Health Insurance employees commit fraud or cheat a friend?  No.  But they’ll do it all together as a group.

Government officers and politicians are no better or worse.

There are psychopaths out there for sure but far far fewer of them than the number of people committing heinous acts (like fomenting war).  The problem is the system not the people.  I suggest you read some Noam Chomsky ... this is one of his favourite themes.

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By Eric, January 6, 2010 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment
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I hope the fact that both of the Amazon links provided for the books you cite are “out of stock” because of our need to know the truth, and not the popularity of war pornography - or something more nefarious, like someone buying up all the copies to keep them from circulating.

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By BR549, January 6, 2010 at 8:04 pm Link to this comment

Thong-girl, January 6 at 10:46 pm

YouTube used to display a number of video clips under the title of “Squirrel
Hunting”. This was the practice of soldiers sitting on top of a building and picking
off civilians as if at a carnival. The theme, I guess, was to see how far away a
civilian could be dropped. Granted, there were no doubt what they thought to
be legitimate targets of interest, such as some guy driving a beige 12 year old
Reneault that was just seen elsewhere in a suspected cell headquarters. But
what galled me was the picking off of women going grocery shopping and the
laughter not unlike that that soldier in “Dances with Wolves” who cried, “I got
‘im” as he shot the wolf for no reason at all ....... and these guys were video-taping all this.

I think those clips were up for maybe 6 months; maybe more, before they were
all taken down. But they go right alongside the clips of ignorant Army grunts
tossing bottles of urine to 6 year old little Iraqi boys, running behind the
vehicle, thinking they’re going to get a bottle of soda pop.

Then, there were the clips of GIs tossing flash-bang grenades into the middle
of a herd of sheep by the side of the road, and all the guys were giggling.
Having raised sheep for many years, I can tell you, several sheep died on the
spot while those immature assholes were having their perverted idea of “fun”,
not to mention the possible hearing loss of the flock tender.

I know some GIs are over there trying to do what they believe is good (we
shouldn’t even be over there), but it takes a thousand good deeds to make up
for the stupidity and callousness of one.

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By DBM, January 6, 2010 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

LemuelG, January 6 at 6:27 pm #

“Progressives need to pull their heads from their ass.” (by progressives, in this instance, I guess you mean “pacifists”)

I think Tom has handed yours to you (your ass that is) so I will just say that the world is indeed a simple place for simpletons.  Spouting well-worn talking points instead of thinking certainly makes for a very clear position.

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By Thong-girl, January 6, 2010 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment

“Bugsplat” is the metaphor used by CIA and Pentagon motherfuckers to estimate the number of children who are blown to pieces with our approval and tax dollars.  It should be the first question asked of every single U.S. lowlife scumbag politician and journalist when they speak to every single worthless politician in this country.  We kill babies and we do it so well that we estimate the number of children that we blow to pieces to protect our precious capitalist lives.  Proud?

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By DaveZx3, January 6, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

By Tom Williams, January 6 at 4:12 pm #

Tom:

Below is a quote taken from http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com

“Human beings are not good or bad… they are running, forever changing compositions of the life experience(s) that influences them. The “quality” of a human being ( if there was such a thing ) is directly related to the upbringing and thus belief systems they have been conditioned into.”

I could not get any further.  This short paragraph shows me that this is just another scheme put forth by a world empire building organization which thinks it knows best about what type of experiences, upbringing and belief systems I should be conditioned into, to meet their idea of what a “quality” human being is. 

So they get in power and then institute some type of “quality control” system, the details to be released later.  Why am I not running out to sign up?

I will stick with the teachings of Jesus Christ.  He taught that the two greatest commandments were based in love, he taught love of fellow man, he taught to love your enemy, he taught freedom, he taught the absolute value of the individual, he taught the equality of women, he taught that it is Truth that makes you free, he taught judge not that you be not judged, he taught the right to keep the fruit of your labor, he taught consequences for making bad decisions, he taught total forgiveness for bad decisions, he was anti-war, he was anti-violence, he was willing to go to his death rather than marshalling his followers against his persecutors.

If the world were to follow these teachings, all war, violence and oppression would end instantly.
But the world hated these teachings, so they sought to pervert them and discredit them, and so they infiltrated the church and changed it completely.
These that did this prefer to rule the world themselves.  They think their ideas are better.

But the true teachings of Christ live on in spite of the “false church” which violates all of the teachings.  Millions, if not billions of people are living these teachings every day.  They are invisible to you because you do not look for them.  You are willing to judge the true followers by the actions of the false followers, and you do not bother to even discern any difference. 

There are good people all around the Earth who follow these teachings, many not even knowing where they got them.  These are spiritual laws, which are inherent in all who are willing to recognize them.

You will have a very, very hard time convincing these millions and billions of people to give up these Christ teachings for the freedom limiting ideologies of this perverted zeitergeist movement.  It ain’t gonna happen.  We are all set, thanks.

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Michele Marie, January 5 at 3:39 pm

Too many people are still hung up on the religion or ideology conflicts. They
can’t possibly believe that what is going today could have antything to do with
money. To them, the failing dollar was just a symptom, not a desired outcome.

Even my own mother, when I had tried years ago to bring her up to speed, was
so convinced that SAFETY and SECURITY were the prime issues. She even
thought that because she had just perhaps just shy of a million bucks, that she
was somehow included in Bush’s “No Billionaire Left Behind” program. To her,
she had to vote for Bush so that the Democrats wouldn’t steal her money.

Well, now look at where we are, and it was all staged. It doesn’t matter who
gets into office, a Dem or a Rep, because they’re all reading the same play
book while we still have naive nitwits at the bottom of the ladder thinking that
McCain or Obama are going to change the world.

Rumsfeld tries to sell the public on Tamiflu while he’s on the board of Gilead Corp, which held the license to Roche that manufactured it. Gore was all set to become a billionaire all over again through that buried Annex in the Copenhagen Treaty, and now Chertoff just happens to be heavily invested in the body scanner machines. It’s really amazing how many of these machines are already built and ready to be installed and it was only a couple of weeks ago that the Underwear Bomber was stupidly setting his shorts on fire in the open instead of while using the rest room. What a coincidence.

As others have said, ALL the security equipment in the world (read that as ALL the civil liberties taken away), nothing can protect us from stupid decisions,  ignoring warnings, and then letting the wrong people on an airplane because they bypassed the rules that were already in place. These people aren’t qualified to run a doughnut shop and yet, instead of plugging the existing holes in the system, we have to invent a whole new level of fear. Obama and Chertoff are still hard at work chasing their CIA created terrorists. I’m sure that when Easter rolls around in a few months, some fat-assed TSA dipshit with barely a high school education will be TASERing the Easter Bunny because he happened to look “suspicious”.

WHAT’S IN THOSE EGGS?    DOWN ON THE GROUND.

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By BR549, January 6, 2010 at 5:05 pm Link to this comment

Michele Marie, January 5 at 3:39 pm

Too many people are still hung up on the religion or ideology conflicts. They
can’t possibly believe that what is going today could have antything to do with
money. To them, the failing dollar was just a symptom, not a desired outcome.

Even my own mother, when I had tried years ago to bring her up to speed, was
so convinced that SAFETY and SECURITY were the prime issues. She even
thought that because she had just perhaps just shy of a million bucks, that she
was somehow included in Bush’s “No Billionaire Left Behind” program. To her,
she had to vote for Bush so that the Democrats wouldn’t steal her money.

Well, now look at where we are, and it was all staged. It doesn’t matter who
gets into office, a Dem or a Rep, because they’re all reading the same play
book while we still have naive nitwits at the bottom of the ladder thinking that
McCain or Obama are going to change the world.

Rumsfeld tries to sell the public on Tamiflu while he’s on the board of Gilead Corp, which held the license to Roche that manufactured it. Gore was all set to become a billionaire all over again through that buried Annex in the Copenhagen Treaty, and now Chertoff just happens to be heavily invested in the body scanner machines. It’s really amazing how many of these machines are already built and ready to be installed and it was only a couple of weeks ago that the Underwear Bomber was stupidly setting his shorts on fire in the open instead of while using the rest room. What a coincidence.

As others have said, ALL the security equipment in the world (read that as ALL the civil liberties taken away), nothing can protect us from stupid decisions,  ignoring warnings, and then letting the wrong people on an airplane because they bypassed the rules that were already in place. These people aren’t qualified to run a doughnut shop and yet, instead of plugging the existing holes in the system, we have to invent a whole new level of fear. Obama and Chertoff are still hard at work chasing their CIA created terrorists. I’m sure that when Easter rolls around in a few months, some fat-assed TSA dipshit with barely a high school education will be TASERing the Easter Bunny because he happened to look “suspicious”.

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By Tom Williams, January 6, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Hey LemuelG,
        10 years ago I would have told you to go fuck yourself but I liked to think I`ve `Evolved` since then.
      I was born on the Island of Ireland & for 400 years the British imperialist power structure murdered,robbed & starved the people resulting in the deaths of over a million people & a mass exodus from their homeland due to poverty & oppression, members of my own family who themselves were either killed or murdered & forced to leave because of economic hardship, many of them to the U.S.A. & it is only in the last 20 years that we have seen anything like a return to a peaceful stable society & I`ve experieced that first hand so don`t fucking lecture me on being `Tested` or about `sitting at home in comfort & boredom`. I`ve seen the consequences & results of war 1st hand & that`s why I want it to stop.How would you feel about a foreign army occupying your hometown? Don`t be under any illusions the Iraqui`s & Afghans feel the same way, some troops on the ground may have `good` intentions & may think they are there to help bring `Democracy` but they don`t make the decisions, the politicians & business men do & their sole intention is to make money & fuck the consequences, they`re not doing the dying they`re just picking up the contract & checks.

By the way there`s no such thing as a `utopia` the world is continually changing, I never used that word in my post anyway, have the courtesy to read the post properly &
I`m not buying the crap about people fighting in the past, this is the 21st century it`s time to evolve.

What`s this shit about the Iraqi`s & Afghans being walked over. The CIA put Saddam Hussein in power & Rumsfield signed the arms deals with him, the CIA also armed & trained the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan to fight the Russians who then guess what? Morphed into the Taliban, & now U.S.grunts are over there making sure the oil keeps flowing for the corporations & paying with their lives, buy yourself some history books or watch Eugene Jarecki`s movie `Why we Fight`.
Listen I don`t want to get into a slagging match with you there`s enough shit going on in the world, most people in the military are there because it provides them with an opportunity to get out of poverty, learn a skill what ever,I know people in the military are human beings to (Brainwashed assasins? well I know it sounds harsh but if you get orders to kill what do you do?) it`s just a sad state of affairs that a young person has to put their life, legs,arms on the line to get accesss to the basic necessities of life, while those $5,000 suits on wall street count their bonuses & think about this 1 in every 4 homeless people in the U.S. is ex-military surely you can understand there is something wrong there.
Also cut the macho bullshit about `progressives having their heads up there asses` it won`t wash with me, I`m more than capable of looking after myself in any `confrontation`  I`d just rather these days not be `Regressive` & try & reason with people with words rather than violence or better still just walk away.
Lemuel I`m not trying to tell you anything I know that`s not possible, I`m just asking you to consider different possibilties of living our lives, is that too much to ask another human being?
Good Luck.

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By doublestandards/glasshouses, January 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment
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Can this be true?  I have a hard time believing it:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/1/6/us_led_forces_accu
sed_of_executing

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By LemuelG, January 6, 2010 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

Tom Williams - it’s incredibly unfair of you to characterize all soldiers as “brain-washed assassins”... it may actually be true of some, but the vast majority are normal people much like any others, they must live and do their job under under the most difficult circumstances; most have little time for issues of morality or ideology (unlike those who sit in comfort and boredom at home) - their minds are mostly occupied by personal anxieties or day-dreams of another place.

It is so simple for those who’ve never been tested to pass judgement, isn’t it?

War pre-dates capitalism (and known history), people fight for many reasons - as nice as it might be to live in a utopian, violence-free world, only a (soon to be dead or enslaved) fool would surrender his ability to defend himself.

(the prophet in me senses a flurry of “but our army isn’t defending us! It’s attacking others!” Yes, I know - I’m not saying NATO forces aren’t being mis-used, ok? That doesn’t mean that having the ability to inflict lethal violence on your enemies is redundant - war should not be sought, but if it is inflicted upon you, it would be best to be able to respond appropriately - you wanna end-up getting walked-over like the Iraqis and Afghanis?)

Progressives need to pull their heads from their ass.

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By johannes, January 6, 2010 at 2:21 pm Link to this comment

To Tom Williams,


      Thank you Sir, Johannes

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By paddy, January 6, 2010 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
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Those born without consciences or empathy can not develop them.  They are called psychopaths. 

BUT, they can be detected by brain scan.  They have different brains because they are essentially a subspecies, an alternate form of humanity.

All politicians and officers should be required to undergo such brain scans to prove they lack the sociopathic brain structure.

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By TAO Walker, January 6, 2010 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Their willful ignorance, with its counterfeit “bliss,” has made of theamericanpeople the perfect patsies for those retro-viral “entities” bent on first raping and pillaging then killing our Mother Earth and all Her Children.  Until today, anyhow, when they are theirownselfs become merely more raw-material for the “global” meat-grinder.

It takes a strong stomach, a clear head, and a good heart to stand-up to the motives and methods of our tormentors.  The commercials on the “nightly news” will tell you immediately theamericanpeople are woefully deficient in every category, with their induced addictions to an arsenal of patent “remedies” as poisonous as they are useless.

First-hand experience of the horrors of war is the next thing on the “program” for theallamericanherd of homo domesticus, as their homeland-grown chickenhawks all come back to dump their shit on the heads of the subject/citizenry….for a “CHANGE!”  It’d've been better for them never to’ve claimed those high-flown CONvictions, because failing to find the courage of them, when the inevitable moment-of-truth arrives, only intensifies the pain and magnifies the misery of the inescapable CONsequences.

  “....and the walls came down, all the way to hell….”

HokaHey!

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By Tom Williams, January 6, 2010 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

In the words of Two-time Congressional medal of Honor Recipient,Major General Smedely D. Butler:

“War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars & the loses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people.Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes..

In world war 1 a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000 new millionaires & billionaires were made in the United States..The Sixty-Fifth congress, reporting on corporate earnings & government revenues. Considering the profits of 122 meat packers, 153 cotton manufacturers, 299 garment makers, 49 steel plants & 340 coal producers during the war. Profits under 25% were exceptional For instance the coal companies made between 100% & 7,856% on their capital stock. The Chicago packers doubled & tripled their earnings.

And let us not forget the bankers who financed the Great War. If anyone had the cream of the profits it was the bankers. Being partnerships rather than incorporated organisations, they do not have to report to stockholders & thier profits were as secret as they were immense. How the bankers made their millions & billions I do not know, because those little secrets never become public - even before a Senate invetigatory body”

Butler, Smedley D. `War Is A Racket` Feral House, 1935, Chapter 1.

To stop war & corruption & abberant human behaviour we have to now adopt a new social system, leave the monetary system behind & the corrupt Corporate,Political & Religious Institutions that are in league with them, whether they be capitalist, communist, socialist or facist. These are out of date & no longer relevant to modern day knowledge & understanding. You will never stop war, poverty, human suffering within the present systems. It`s Time to Change. If you want to know how to make this change go to,

http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com & watch the movie `Zeitgeist Addendum` or vist http://www.thevenusproject.com

And no we are not nutcases we really DO have a solution. How much fucking worse does it have to get before you ask yourself “hey this system just isn`t working?”

Einstein once said, “Insanity is making the same mistake over & over again & expecting a different answer each time”

Now surely that sounds familiar.

We want a world where every single person gets a chance to lead a fulfilling & peaceful life, we have the brains, the resources, the technolgy & the feasibility to build an entirely new civillisation where not one person is left behind,ask yourself this,
why is ther always enough money to fight wars but never eough money to feed, educate & house the people of the world? It isn`t just “The way it is” it`s designed & controlled that way & it`s time everybody woke up to that fact. This isn`t some conspiracy notion the world you see around you is a by product a `Tendency` if you will that is built into the sicknes to make a `profit` to continually want more i.e. `Greed` which is the basis of the monetary system. People aren`t born with greed, bigotry & hate they learn that within the social system they are indoctrinated into & we have got to change that as soon as possible. One final thing,

Darwin26 - Respect to you

Little, Yellow, different - it`s the sick irony of the capitalist system, that you have `Advertising` next to stories about the slaughter of human beings, join us to build a world without garbage advertising.

MicheleMarie - you are on the right track but we need a completely new system.

LemuelG - Come on man don`t dress it up `Soldiering`=Brainwashed assasin,the young men of this country should not be dying for business

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By The Right One, January 6, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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Like it or not, we ARE winning in Iraq. Ever since Petraeus implemented the Surge, violence has been going down. Last year, the Iraqi casualties were HALF what they were last year, and last month there were NO American soldier deaths. Of course, you probably don’t know any of that because you get your news from left-wing Defeatocrats like Chris Hedges, who is obviously disappointed we’re winning and is cherry picking as many tragic incidents like that boy’s death to create the illusion of defeat.

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By Samson, January 6, 2010 at 10:50 am Link to this comment

That they have to lie to us is a good sign.
That they have to romanticize war and hide its reality from us is a good sign.

This means that they know that the people would never support these policies if they knew the truth.  That they have to lie to us is a good sign.

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By Samson, January 6, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Remember, Obama just swept the country, and not only its votes but its imagination by standing under big signs that said ‘change’ and by reading speeches that used the word ‘change’ in every sentence.

The important part is not that Obama was lying his rear off as he did this, but that its obvious that a vast majority of the American people really want a ‘change’ from this course that we’ve been on for the last 30 years.

The teabaggers that are put constantly on TV as fighting to keep America on the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama course that its been on for the last 30 years are not the majority.  You didn’t see many politicians putting ‘No Change’ on the front of their podiums, even though that was what they essentially offered. Heck, even a long-time Washington insider like McCain was campaigning on ‘change’ and how he was a maverick.

The majority of the people clearly want change.  So much so that they were willing to vote for an obvious fraud like Obama last time.  The trick is to channel that demand for change into the politicians that could really deliver it.

The teabaggers are not the majority.  Far from it.  The tragedy of America is that our democratic Republic has broken down to the point where the views of the vast majority of Americans are constantly derided as ‘not politically feasible’.  Because in a true democracy, the views of a majority of the citizens should instead be the ruling force.

It seems like the first thing we have to do is to believe that we really are the majority.  Then, it helps to turn off the TV set so you don’t hear their constant braying about the ‘teabaggers’.  That’s just nonsense noise from a small minority.

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By Samson, January 6, 2010 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

Leefeller ...

You seem to get your political impressions from the TV set.  TV takes the poltiical opinions of a minority of about 25% and blasts them everywhere to create the fake impression that they are a political force.

From the Progressive Review: http://prorev.com/obamabehind.htm

“A year ago, Sarah van Gelder of Yes Magazine gave us a clue as to what an independent progressive movement might look like - based on polls - of “an agenda that the majority of Americans support, whether they vote red, blue, green or something else.”

  * 67% favor public works projects to create jobs.
  * 55% favor expanding unemployment benefits.
  * 76% support tax cuts for lower- and middle-income people.
  * 80% support increasing the federal minimum wage.
  * 59% favor guaranteeing two weeks or more of paid vacation.
  * 75% want to limit rate increases on adjustable-rate mortgages.
  * 58% believe a court warrant should be required to listen to the telephone calls of people in the U.S.
  * 59% would like the next president to do more to protect civil liberties.
  * 79% favor mandatory controls on greenhouse gas emissions.
  * 90% favor higher auto fuel efficiency standards.
  * 75% favor clean electricity, even with higher rates.
  * 72% support more funding for mass transit.
  * 64% believe the government should provide national health insurance coverage for all Americans, even if it would raise taxes.
  * 55% favor one health insurance program covering all Americans, administered by the government, and paid for by taxpayers.
  * 81% oppose torture and support following the Geneva Conventions.
  * 76% say the U.S. should not play the role of global police.
  * 79% say the U.N. should be strengthened.
  * 63% want U.S. forces home from Iraq within a year.
  * 47% favor using diplomacy with Iran. 7% favor military action.
  * 67% believe we should use diplomatic and economic means to fight terrorism, rather than the military.
  * 86% say big companies have too much power in politics
  * 65% believe attacking social problems is a better cure for crime than more law enforcement.
  * 87% support rehabilitation rather than a punishment-only system.
  * 81% say job training is very important for reintegrating people leaving prison.
  * 79% say drug treatment is very important.
  * 56% believe NAFTA should be renegotiated.
  * 64% believe that on the whole, immigration is good for the country. ”

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By johannes, January 6, 2010 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

To DBM,

In your writing your citation: there are billions beliefers, wath to they belief, that God created mankind, to kill and boutcher other human, if not why all this beliefers do not stand up against such behavior of other so called beliefers.

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By babka, January 6, 2010 at 8:26 am Link to this comment
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you better believe they’re not scrolling down computer commentary forums in the
rooms where the bodies of the dead are being prepared for burial.

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By DBM, January 6, 2010 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

They didn’t publish then any more than they’re publishing now.  They were war cheerleaders then and they can’t break the habit now that Obama is ratcheting up Afghanistan.

The change you see is really only between your partisan ears.

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By babka, January 6, 2010 at 8:13 am Link to this comment
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like the question “What do you want?” in morse code on the torso of the limbless
soldier in Trumbo’s “Johnny Got His Gun” (the book, not the movie, and speaking
of movies, “The Hurt Locker” seems slated for kudos - Johnny got his Oscar)....

what can we do?

how bear witness?

whom boycott?

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By BeanerECMO, January 6, 2010 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

Why are the media not publishing ‘war’ pictures now when they were frothing at the mouth to publish, and did publish, during 43’s tenure? Oh, that’s right, no-drama Obama.

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By DBM, January 6, 2010 at 7:21 am Link to this comment

When a believer gets to “You can believe in what you want” it is time to back off.  Going on about how religion has been twisted to justify bad things is easy but there are billions of believers in the world.  Fortunately most are like Zx3.

Otherwise there would be a billion terrorists and even more crusaders ... but let’s be honest, there are a few twisted people who twist religion to suit themselves.

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By glider, January 5 at 11:54 pm #

“Yeah, yeah, yeah.  The problem is Christianity is based on “belief” and not “fact”, and therefore has no accountability”

You can’t see gravity, and it’s exact source is not understood, but you can believe in it because of it’s effects, which we can see and measure.

Christ, as a historical figure, told the truth about war and violence.  We can believe it was the truth and follow his example, and war would cease to exist.

Belief is a neutral word.  Believing in an idea can have bad effects or it can have good effects.  It is the idea itself which is good or bad.

War is a bad idea.  Christ’s teachings are a good idea.  You can believe in what you want, and your belief has an accountable factor, which is the effects of the belief.

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By digitalproductions, January 6, 2010 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

Robert, thank you for sharing the link http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942, you do a good service. What we don’t know CAN and will hurt us. Knowlege and truth are the real enemies of the State. Keep on Diggin’, eh? I love this site!

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By johannes, January 6, 2010 at 4:19 am Link to this comment

Most people do not want to know,so they live in ignorance, so they live with an easy conscience,
thats wath they will people who are conscienceless,
with them they can do wath they will, and with this creating of conscienceless people , they geth all the help from the religions.

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By John Hanks, January 5, 2010 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment
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Look up any war on Google.  You will find plenty of pictures there.  The truth is that man is not a moral actor.  He sees these pictures and moves on just as with the old “Signal 30” traffic safety pictures.

Fight and flight (anger and cowardice) fuel all wars.

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 5, 2010 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Religion is the principal agent of cultural entropy.

Defective memes promote defective genes.

Had Mary a coat hanger, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

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By Robert, January 5, 2010 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

By NZDoug, January 5 at 9:50 pm #

“Robert Fisk had heaps of Israeli war crim photos on his site but its down.
I wonder why???
In his book, “The Great War For Civilization, The Conquest of the Middle East” he
stated that he produced films of atrocities and they were broadcast in Ireland but as soon as
the powers that be (Shell, Mastercard etc) saw them, they declared that they would
pull all advertising if shown any where again.
If you want to see what your govt supports googl
photos israeli war crimes in gaza
I couldnt get the link to work but be prepared to be sickened and ashamed.
====================


Photos of Israeli War Crimes in Gaza

“The atrocities of the Israeli military in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank directed against the Palestinian people are part of an ongoing process.

Recently, in the Gaza Strip, there has been an escalation of these atrocities.

In a bitter irony, this escalation of violence coincided with the U.S. President’s arrival in Israel. This is the peace process that the White House, Tel Aviv, and the Arab regimes (the so-called “moderates”) are talking about: death and destruction.

The following are grim and saddening photographs of the ongoing crimes against the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip.

There has been little done and said worldwide about how an entire nation is in captivity. Palestinians are prisoners in their own homes and ancestral lands, which have been transformed into a concentration camp.

*************

Click on link below to view the horrific crimes committed by Israel’s IDF killers…using American made weapons & funded by the American taxpayers $$$. In the meantime, Americans and others just sit & watch from the sidelines with paralyzed vocal chords. FOX NEWS, CNN and the rest of a mostly zionist controlled MSM does the talking & continues to spew their deceptive narratives…BTW, you can be sure that none of the horrific photos in the link below will be seen on CNN, FOX…etc…:


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7942

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By "G"utless "W"itless Hitler, January 5, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

And…? 

Another provocative piece followed by the predictable clamour, some expatiations, and finally the conclusion that Hedges’ thesis du jour is nothing new to us.  But the problem still remains:  Who bells the cat? 

The people responsible for this mess would think nothing of killing each and every one of you.  To them, it’s the natural order of things.  The parasitoid will always kill its host, after all. 

It will take blood, people.

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By glider, January 5, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3,
>>I am of that very old breed of Christian.  I actually try to follow the words, not the religion<<

Yeah, yeah, yeah.  The problem is Christianity is based on “belief” and not “fact”, and therefore has no accountability.  Consequently, you will never meet a Christian who does not believe exactly the same.  Once you remove yourself from all criticism by being belief-based then it is carte blanche for anything.  And as long as people such as DieDaily accept non accountable belief systems on the basis of KumBiYah “cultural equivalency” we will continue to have religion generated death and destruction.  This is precisely the problem.

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By John Hanks, January 5, 2010 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment
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War is a lynching gone bad.  It is the heart of the state.  It is a racket.

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By NZDoug, January 5, 2010 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment

Robert Fisk had heaps of Israeli war crim photos on his site but its down.
I wonder why???
In his book, “The Great War For Civilization, The Conquest of the Middle East” he
stated that he produced films of atrocities and they were broadcast in Ireland but as soon as
the powers that be (Shell, Mastercard etc) saw them, they declared that they would
pull all advertising if shown any where again.
If you want to see what your govt supports googl
photos israeli war crimes in gaza
I couldnt get the link to work but be prepared to be sickened and ashamed.

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By San Fernando Curt, January 5, 2010 at 4:13 pm Link to this comment

The idea that war is heroic - or even necessary - has currency in our media, and maybe even among our political class… our “betters”... when they’re not cynically using the slaughter. But I don’t think the average American feels that way, at all. We’ll be blamed for Iraq and Afghanistan, maybe Yemen and Iran - of that, we can be sure. It was somehow “the Americans” that did this. But this was was pressed by and serves not us, but someone else. Someone always benefits, that’s the real reason for war. We, the amorphous Americans out here, benefit not at all.

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By Humpfree Blowgart, January 5, 2010 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment
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just thank the BUSH III puppet for this wholesale, mass- murder!

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By DBM, January 5, 2010 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

An interesting point Jestawkin, and position which is widely held.  Afghanistan was a war thrust upon the U.S. while Iraq was stupid.

Put yourself in Afghanistan’s position.  They had previously forced the withdrawal of the Soviet Union with the help of foreign powers and foreign fighters.  Just like the Americans in 1776-1780ish ... The most prominent of those foreign fighters was Osama Bin Laden (a figure like say, Lafeyette).  Now, Bin Laden has sworn enemies around the world which Afghanistan as a nation have no real dealings with ...  There is a terrible attack on that enemy which Bin Laden is pleased with but denies actually committing or organising. 

Now the U.S. tells Afghanistan that they have to hand over Bin Laden immediately for punishment.  They get a matter of 2 to 3 weeks if I recall and then the bombs start dropping.  Let’s get this straight.  There was minimal investigation (and many still disagree as who perpetrated 9/11 ... I don’t want to start that one here), no trial, no formal extradition.  Would the U.S. have turned over Lafeyette?  Would the U.S. turn over anyone whatsoever in similar circumstances today??  I seem to recall that the U.S. wouldn’t even give up Ferdinand Marcos to the Phillipinnes AFTER substantial investigation and legal proceedings.

There are many countries in the world (especially western European powers) who will never agree to extradition ot the U.S. because their laws make it illegal to do so while the U.S. practices capital punishment.  Should they all be bombed?  Start wars with all of them?

It’s all pretty straightforward when you can kick the crap out of some brown people that are difficult to identify with.  It’s much harder when you have to apply the same principle to yourselves or to people “like you”.  Suddenly criminal investigation seems like a good idea.

Oh, and before you say it’s all different because the Afghan government directly supported terrorism ... look up “School of the Americas”.

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By mainecat, January 5, 2010 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment
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Three words:  GOD DAMN ISRAEL!

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By LemuelG, January 5, 2010 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment

DieDaily - you assume too much; I am ex-military, and well qualified to understand the plight of the soldier, I said it was awful… it is you who doesn’t understand quite how, i do not require your lectures.

The unpleasantness of soldiering is no secret - those who enter the service without being prepared to live or die with the consequences (there are many who consider it an enjoyable adventure) are despised by their fellows - they tend to shirk their duties and fall apart in combat, they are a danger to the safety of those who rely on them.

I repeat, the conscript has little choice, the proffesional does… geddit? When does personal-responsibility come into play? I’ve never been a victim of anything or anyone - the weak-willed break-down quickly, and seek to blame their woes on anyone but themselves and the decisions they have made.

Officer Krupke - *says*

“Is that so? So if we were to talk about Hitler our articles about him would instantly be qualified as ‘garbage’ if we were to describe him as evil.”

Yes, frankly, it does - your objection ironically shows how narrow-minded you are… if I had (when I was studying for my degree) submitted a paper which described Hitler as evil I’d have been laughed out of the room - because it’s meaning is purely subjective, and is most often used as a cheap rhetorical trick to mask an absence of genuinely in-depth analysis (re: Bush &co;, Hitler liked using it too).

People are not either wholly ‘good’, or ‘evil’, the truth always lies somewhere in between - until you disense yourself of such irrelevant absolutes, you will never get to the truth of any matter, let alone one as complex as war, or Nazi Germany.

“It is also funny how you say you agree with Hedges yet criticize him throughout the rest of your post.”

Why? The last paragraph was a meaningless piece of crap, plain and simple - it may impress buffoons like you at sites like this, but it was a terrible conclusion to an article which was actually beginning to look relevant…

“If you want to criticize the article or Chris, I suggest you think about it a little bit more, as these so-called criticisms are quite pathetic.”

Hold that statement in the mirror, sucker.

(oh, and bite me - you haven’t the skill to debate, realize, and spare yourself the humiliation)

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By SinoWorld2050, January 5, 2010 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment
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If you cannot destroy evil without becoming evil, how can you destroy evil?

When we destroy ourselves, we will destroy evil.

Obama is a Republican.

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By DBM, January 5 at 1:05 am #

(Suddenly I don’t feel as if I visit enough…)

“Hmmm ... how about arresting and trying Bin Laden or [Your Villain Here]
instead of attacking whole nations and creating thousands of wannabee Bin
Ladens and villains?  (Hitler, as a head of state, is a different matter).”

Good luck with that. Didn’t the US approach Afghanistan in 2001 and ask for
Bin Ladin? And the response was “No.” What do we say then, “Sorry, Never
Mind?” So we went to get him. Any incursion into a sovereign nation is an act of
war, no matter how it’s carried out.

Of course the Bushies screwed it up like everything else they touched (and I
suspect the real point of invading Afghanistan was to funnel money into
Haliburton) so we’re mired in two pointless wars (or military occupations—and
I agree with you on that) that have done little to make us any safer. And I am
embarrassed and ashamed to live in a country that probably exports more war
than any other on earth (given that we’re the #1 arms supplier to the world), all
to satisfy the monetary lusts of the capital classes, while spouting the rhetoric
of peace and democracy, ideals the capital classes have no desire for at home.

My point is that there are times a military response is the appropriate
response, as evil as mechanized warfare is.

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By faith, January 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3, January 4 at 7:49 pm
“So, do you think that today’s war protesters will eventually turn into war
mongers also?”

Actually no, DaveZx3.  But, recall, many of today’s screaming patriots include
Mr. Cheney and his cohort. Including young people from upper middle class
homes who were able to get a 2S (A?) exemption from the draft during the
‘60s.  Poor kids did not, on the whole protest.  Neither were they able to avoid
the draft.  And, many did not want to go to war.  It was a mandate.  Lower
middle class kids did not have time to protest.  They were trying to earn a
living.

It appears to me that those who were involved in the “Viet Nam containment”
as the Pentagon Generals referenced it, gave pause when Mr. Bush was ready to
preemptively strike Iraq.  That includes the disgraced Colin Powell.  It is terrible
that those military leaders could not stick to their values and dispute the
president’s dicta.  Personally, I think that every person that supports war, any
war, should first be required to visit a Vet hospital.  The reality of witnessing
young men and women suffering to regain some semblance of their former life,
learning how to put on their prosthesis every day, provides a better assessment
of exactly what U.S. leaders are asking our military to do and for what reason.  I
recall very clearly during the ‘60s at the Burn Center in El Paso a young man
with no legs nor arms.  But alive.  Many were missing limbs, but the survival
rate of such traumatic injury as the quadra-amputee was out of the ordinary. 
Modern medicine has aided many of such injured troops to survive, thus the
multiple amputees from the middle eastern conflicts.

I do think the media could help tremendously if they would provide images of
what is really taking place with this “war on terrorism”.  Later during the Viet
Nam containment the media did commence to provide a face for the war, and
our countrymen were aghast.  This is worse.  Much worse, in terms injuries that
are barely addressed by any group.  It’s just the body count that seems to
interest the media. 

So I vote for giving this middle east money making scheme for the defense
contractors a face.  Let all Americans see just exactly what their tax dollars are
supporting.  We borrow that money from China, let the people know the cost,
the interest, the bankruptsy in terms of economy as well as reputation, and
human suffering - yes, on both sides of the fence.

Recall that both MacNamara and now deceased President Johnson, did a 180
degree turn from their war efforts in Viet Nam, after the fact.  They said they
just didn’t know how to get out.  I truly hope this new generation with take the
reins of leadership, (it’s a cinch the ‘60s group have failed miserably-
MISERABLY) and avoid wars -  recognizing that we are not the world’s police. 
Our treasure is spent better on food, health, education and protection of our
own shores.

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By Michele Marie, January 5, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment
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Great article. But you and everyone posting miss the root cause of all wars. There is an International Banking Cartel that controls almost all country’s money issuance through private central banks such as our Federal Reserve in the U.S. These bankers love wars, foment wars, finance wars and work tirelessly to insure that there is endless war because putting countries into debt is how they make the profits they are using to consolidate and control the world’s real wealth and resources.

Until you have monetary reform, and remove the financial incentive for war, you will continue to have war, along with endless debt servitude of the citizens tapped to pay the costs.

The American Monetary Institute (http://www.monetary.org) has a bill to do this. Please check it out. Dennis Kucinich will soon be sponsoring.

Hack out the root cause of war and we will see more peace on our planet. Bankers don’t care what they issue is, land, religion, race, water, oil, whatever. If they see an insurgency, they give money and arms to it. Then they loan to the country to fight the insurgency. They love any conflict as it makes them richer. Until the people of the world wake up to this scam, war will continue.

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By Leefeller, January 5, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

If a picture is worth a thousand words, we see a few more than a thousand words on this thread. in the end for now, those who will not let the pictures be seen on the MSM, would have it no other way.

A big step above seeing a picture, is beholding the real experience itself. Can we believe those calling the shots have seen and beheld what they have created? One can suppose the military complex must have seen something to create their weapons and maybe some of the generals have seen war first hand,(morality of the war aside).  But, what of the politicians? Have they beheld other than the money feeding their coffers?

In the end, the designers of war could even use the pictures of death and destruction to their advantage and may be holding them back as an ace for now?

Manipulations as propaganda, one remembers the pictures of torture seemingly appeared spoon fed for effective consumption, one could say it was planned. So just maybe the horrors of war will be next, the first few starting here?

Manipulation seen as a continued sickness that is us the greatest county in the world and don’t forget it!

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By johannes, January 5, 2010 at 8:05 am Link to this comment

It has only and absolutely only to do with respect for live, respect for all creatures who live on our wonderfull planet.

This hole picture is going over that, nothing to do with politic, not money not power, no other etnic.

Just the bottem of our live, the mother with her child, jou must see it as I do see it, its the beginnig of our humanity, of our love for each other, and I loved my mother to, it could be my mother and me, the feeling makes you almost cry.

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By Little,Yellow,Different, January 5, 2010 at 7:58 am Link to this comment
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Just one thing:

You can’t really have an essay this serious sitting right next to something called ‘Slut Alert’ from the f*cking Onion… Do you all GET that???!!!!

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By David, January 5, 2010 at 7:38 am Link to this comment
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We, the people, do not care.  And even if we did care, there is nothing we can do about it.  The Unitary Executive has decreed that war shall be our future and not the courts, not congress, and of course not the American people can prevent him from laying continuing to blow women and children into bloody chunks of meat.

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By Ouroborus, January 5, 2010 at 7:16 am Link to this comment

Thread hijack! Prince of peace???? Get a grip; have
your sidebar conversation in the message PM.

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By DBM, January 5, 2010 at 7:00 am Link to this comment

Ok ... that makes more sense Zx3.

I just went back and re-read your original 4 January update.  I still can’t see a hint of where you’ve ended up in this update.  I must be slow!

I still think some of the current wars have nothing to do with one group forcing an ideology on another.  That doesn’t change this new argument but it is very relevant to your original update.

See my Jan 4 response ...

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By afouts, January 5, 2010 at 6:40 am Link to this comment
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Thanks DaveZx3 for the information.  I think the article was very good and didn’t want to use that point as some sort of attack.  But I was really hoping that it was wildly wrong.  My skills at searching the internet are rather poor and I forget that the CDC does more than H1N1 type activities.  By the way I had a childhood friend who was in combat in Vietnam and his life was messed up for about a decade after he got back.

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By DaveZx3, January 5, 2010 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

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“I re-iterate: ...my understanding of the teachings of the Prince of Peace was that he wanted HIS ideology to reach all peoples and all nations ... and not by defeating them militarily.  If you don’t believe that is possible then how can you claim to follow him Zx3? “

I think I may have been unclear about my personal beliefs when I indicated that one of the ways for war to end, from the standpoint of human reasoning, is for one side to win and basically dominate the other.  ie:  Defeat the enemy until they can no longer wage war, and then war is stopped, and a period of peace ensues until the next war breaks out.  Though I realize it is possible for a period of peace to reign in this manner, it is not my belief that it is the solution to perpetual war. 

You are correct in that the Prince of Peace wanted his teachings to be taught to all peoples and all nations.  And his teachings did not include any concept of defeating anyone miliitarily.  The sword he always spoke about was a metaphor for his “tongue.”  He completely understood that Truth and understanding were the remedy for the lies which perpetuate the horrors of man, his wars and violence of every sort.  Christ understood the concept of, “know the truth and the truth shall make you free”  Christ was completely anti-war and anti-violence.

People hated him then and they hate him now.  His message was completely perverted by the religion that supposedly follows his teachings, and He, himself, is judged, not by the truth of his words, but by the actions of those who have perverted his words for their own sake. 

This is an abomination of justice, and whether you believe that Christ had a supernatural component or not,  his absolutely true teachings should be enough to make him the most significant human ever to walk the face of the Earth, and he should be regarded as such, and his teachings followed.

I have to greatly thank the words of:

By DieDaily, January 5 at 4:37 am #

“I’m not a Christian, but there is a new (old?) breed of Christian I’m seeing more of now. They are disgusted with the churches. They point out that the churches were corrupted by the 401.c3 scam, bought off, and then used as tools to enflame the right, and scare the crap out of the left, discredit faith, and to maintain an artificial divide. All this revivalist/rapture crap, they point out, has zip to do with the Christ’s basic message (love, equality, forgiveness, individualism, non-materialism). I don’t have to be a Christian to love that message!”

DieDaily’s post is very, very important, because it points out the difference between the true follower of Christ and the false church mentioned in the bible.  You cannot be a follower of Christ and think that going to war is a reasonable thing to do.

Before people ridicule Christ, they must separate the reality of the teaching from the perverted ideas they have degenerated into.  This is how the world treats those who it hates.  It ridicules and perverts their meaning.  The world is anti-Christ.

Read Die Daily’s complete post.  Re-read my post of:  By DaveZx3, January 4 at 3:56 pm # . 

All I am saying is that the only way to end war is to refuse to participate, one man at a time.  But there can be no wavering.  When the world sees you as a true anti-war, anti-violence person, they will hate you.  You may be required to stand up in front of a tank, like the guy in Tianemen Square, only the tank may keep going right over you.  But others will be encouraged, and others will be encouraged, and war will be defeated, one man at a time.  It is not about politics, it is about Truth.  Truth and peace come at a great cost, but you must be willing to pay it.  That is the story of Jesus Christ, and that is his message, and that is what I believe in. 

As Die Daily says, I am of that very old breed of Christian.  I actually try to follow the words, not the religion.

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By glider, January 5, 2010 at 5:07 am Link to this comment

DieDaily,
Rarely have I met someone able to IMPART SO LITTLE INFORMATION in SO MANY WORDS.  Your Rodney King message of can’t we all just get along Kum-Bye-Yah delivered as a logic defying Kucinich equals Palin rant lacks any basis in fact.  But repeating that lie over and over again is your response to any challenge.  Go ahead and accept a religion with a history of violence that you believe to be incorrect, then in the next breath condemn Progressive Leftists in this country as fakes if that suits your agenda.  What else is in the background of your thinking here DieDaily?  Was perhaps 9-11 an inside job?, and global warming a scientific fraud designed to justify a cap and trade tax?, so that we need to rally the folks to prevent a global government tyranny?

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By Caute, January 5, 2010 at 3:54 am Link to this comment

‘This world is the battleground of tormented,
agonized beings who devour each other for survival,’
Schopenhauer tells us. Conflict then is inherent in
our existence. Each organism struggles to replicate
its genetic material by usurping the resources of
another. One could say procreation is a way of
introducing fresh meat to the world grinder.
Every man is born on death row, time and place of execution unknown.

Life then should be seen as a prison sentence,
something to be gotten over, not enjoyed. ‘Never to
be born is best,’ said the Greek sage. At the apex of
the savagery stands Man, the cruellest predator, the only beast that must
manufacture its weapons. For not only does he savage
the planet, but turns on his ‘fellow man.’

The great Leopardi tells us, ‘Men are wretched by
necessity, and determined to believe themselves
wretched by accident.’

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By drbhelthi, January 5, 2010 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

Maybe we need to remind ourselves that beliefs are based on faith and trust; not bribery, intimidation and assassination.

Who is unable to perceive the current distress of the USofA
and the entire western world?  Which, has been instituted
largely via the efforts of the Georg Scherff family of
Doerlitszch, SE of Leipzig, with marionnettes of NAZI-ism,
and cohorts.  One group of cohorts should step outside the PR
propaganda of their system, and become acquainted with the
work of Schlomo Zand, teacher at Tel Aviv University, who
wrote a book, “When and How Was the Jewish People Invented?” 
Incorporating reality into ones behavior is always helpful.

Considering that all employees of the government of the USofA
are public servants, sworn to uphold and further the concepts
of the Constitution of the United States of America, it is
time for all of them to “take hold.”  This includes all the
covert agents of all organizations of the US.  Folks, take a
moment to comprehend the freedoms you have enjoyed.  All of
them are sponsored by the Christian heritage of the original
founders, which heritage continues to exist.  Is it not time
that all of you began to do that which you promised to do,
instead of pimping for the evil NAZI-types who have taken
over? 

Who among US agents expects anything other than that which
was awarded to Lee Harvey Oswald, after many years of
faithful service to the CIA?  And who was benefitted by
sacrificing him, while murdering an American President who
tried to improve the USofA and the freedoms it offers?  Think
of all the Americans whom your co-workers have “quietened”
because they either knew too much, or said they would become
honest like Chip Tatum.  Does your behavior serve the
interests of freedom, or the NAZI satanism that destroys? 
The same goes for all elected representatives in the congress
of the USofA.  It is time for you to serve the folk you
represent, not the stooges who intimidate you to do their
bidding, and who bribe you and do illegal favors for you. 

When the spirit departs the body, it departs without earthly
power and wealth.

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By Arouete, January 5, 2010 at 3:00 am Link to this comment
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“More Vietnam veterans committed suicide after the war than were killed during it.”

That’s quite a statement of fact. What is your authority?

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By Darwin26, January 5, 2010 at 2:51 am Link to this comment
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I will most certainly get into Mr. Hedges books, soon as i finish the stack in front of me… seriously. Reading Day Break by David Swanson and Rite of Spring by Modris Eksteins, American Prospect etc.

  As a disabled drafted combat infantry vet of Viet Nam Oct ‘67 - ‘Oct ‘68, Mekong Delta A/Co 3rd/47th 2nd Bde 9th Inf Div I have some idea of the horrid obscene waste. I was born an Atheist and plz gawd, don’t let any believer in my fox hole, seriously. Only we didn’t have fox holes in the Delta… Never the less their names are on the WALL - where i puked my guts out!!! But please, find your own fox hole Xian i don’t want to be around torturers, war mongers and slave holders. 

  Onward Xian/ Soldier look what you did in My Lai, where was the Xian/ Soldier when Boot-licker Powell covered it up or when he lied to the United Nations; Where were the coward Xians? The prince of peace is something that they hang on their rear view and dash boards for profiling but they really are for war.
 
    What We exist in is a Warrior Culture or War Meme if you please. And it’s all about the money and the Zionists.

    This Hedges articles timing is most interesting – an older female colleague at work keeps saying “we have to fight them over there before we fight them over here” ... (she goes to church every Sunday.) Her statement is so piercing, near debilitating to me, in it’s irrational insanity. Sadly the Narcissistic Authoritarians run this country still.

  Who are ‘them’? Are they the ‘they’ that mom and dad wanted to drop nuclear bombs on in Hanoi? Millions saved by real heroes like Jane Fonda, Hugh Thompson and Daniel Ellsberg.  (BTW John McCanary is a punk who never saw action except from 30,000 ft - i’d have killed him in a heart beat if i had found him in my rice paddy. Truly, a lying Repug if there ever was one!). Fonda saved millions as her presents in Hanoi stopped the bombing of the dams above the city…that judaeoxian Kissinger wanted to blow-up.

  You see, to the uninitiated/pedestrian through our warrior cultural fabric ‘they’ are terrorists. Just like Geronimo and we must kill for Oil and Kill for Profit, this is our warrior xenophobic culture. Can you imagine the WINTER SOLDIER dialogue from those days, or the days of our occupation in the Philippines ... far worse happened to the Philippinos at the hands of the US Military than happened to the US Military at Bataan. (ever wonder why they were there in the first place?) ~ (Hegemony)!
  And, dirty rotten capitalist foreign policy run by the Pentagon is how we got here; from both the Neo-cons and the DLC/ Neo-Libs (like CoS Rahm Emanuel, he’s our real enemy, masked by Obama).
  Same Xian War Culture but now it’s Fascism; predatory in every way and sanctioned by America, (if it wasn’t for the War Protesters i’d still be in Viet Nam and they’re not in the streets yet)  the Ameican Corpratocracy and Religionists…
    We, who live in fear and slavery wait for Spartacus.

      William Crain
      Billings, MT
      Grandfather
      Stone Carver / Artist
      member of 3 national orgs to prosecute Bush and Cheney for war crimes.

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By RaymondHubbard, January 5, 2010 at 2:37 am Link to this comment

Mr hedges, Why is is that you could not find a photogragh from mr.van Agtmael’s
or Ms. Grinker’s Books respectively for the cover story you have submitted? As a
subject matter of Peter’s in His book, I find it shameful of you to not include the
artist’s eye when talking about these fresh new Optical receptors that have given
us so many images that are as thought provoking if not more than your words. I’m
sorry, but I know Mr. Van Agtmael as intimately as any hetero American can know
his brethren and the pictures I see accompanying your words don’t Reflect Peter’s
eye remotely. Sincerely, SGT Raymond Dan Hubbard

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By Raymond Hubbard, January 5, 2010 at 2:02 am Link to this comment
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My Name Is SGT Raymond Dan Hubbard For now and forever more let that be
my moniker. Mr. montanawildhack, I’m sorry if you see myself or my comrades
in arms as anything but stool in the bowels of an army hospital. I (as well as
my siblings in arms) would prefer you call us as we are, Fathers, Mothers,
Brothers, Sisters, Sons, Daughters, Uncles, Aunts. I don’t believe that their has
been another American Conflict with such inclusion and foresight to include
our own people (embedded and so on). I was a part of Mr. Van Agtmael’s Book,
so was my family (what little I have left now). Though Peter’s book has brought
me much grief it is the story my soul has been bought here to tell. I’m no
longer married, and the distance between my boys and myself seems to grow
infinitely larger each day, I’m glad that we have this publication to look back on
so that my sons will not have to endure the same fate. I’m sorry that this seems
to ramble but it’s as though my war is not concluded. The only thing I wish to
leave upon this earth is happy, peaceful Sons, Amen.

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By DieDaily, January 5, 2010 at 1:09 am Link to this comment

Not One More: yes, exactly. That’s why TruthDig is a true treasure. I’ve bought some books here now. I regularly click banner ads that appear next to stories that I like. I won’t go as far as donating until they do a wee little bit more work on the left-gate-keeping / Waspington Post reporting aspect. But at the rate they are coming along, I’ll be donating within a few more months or less. I spread the word about this site by linking to it in other posts. Free speech zones on sites like these are so rare and precious that we have to preserve them. That takes cash. Show your gratitude. Go and donate $10 to TruthDig right now. Click a few banners every time you visit. Email your gratitude to their sponsors. Don’t just take this for granted. I’ve been on several other sites that ran out of money. On one site I had been a contributor for over a year and one day I was just banned over a controversial post about AIPAC corruption. On another site I got banned for being a “Jew Lover” because my views on AIPAC were not radical enough! Go figure! The managements had changed because they ran out of cash and were scooped up by well financed agendas. Don’t allow that to happen here!

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By diamond, January 5, 2010 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

No one can accuse you of being a liberal pussy rfidler.  No sir. You are, however, a moral pygmy and a disgrace to the human race. Being a liberal pussy is infinitely preferable to being what you are, you cynical, deluded thug.

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By David Stephen Ball-Romney, January 5, 2010 at 12:47 am Link to this comment
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Corporations paying for commercials on television that advertise pharmaceutical products apparently must list the major side effects within the actual commercials.  And though we see people blithely socializing and enjoying life, we hear that those who use their products will probably suffer in numerous, specifically mentioned ways.  I’d like to see all military advertisements have the same disclosures. 

    Though you may complain about the collateral damage done by industrialized warfare, “computerized warfare” will probably be much worse.  For example, the day could come very soon when satellites able to identify specific just about anybody have the ability to kill them with lasers.  War may become “cleaner” in a sense, but at the cost of freedom, because these same weapons could be used by oppressive governments against their own populaces.

    Are we a bunch of idiots that need wiser people to lie to us, to manipulate us so that we don’t destroy even more than we normally would?  How many of us seek the freedom that comes from discernment, courage and self-discipline?  Are we ready to leave our illusions and seek “the Truth”?

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By DieDaily, January 5, 2010 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

I’m not a Christian, but there is a new (old?) breed of Christian I’m seeing more of now. They are disgusted with the churches. They point out that the churches were corrupted by the 401.c3 scam, bought off, and then used as tools to enflame the right, and scare the crap out of the left, discredit faith, and to maintain an artificial divide. All this revivalist/rapture crap, they point out, has zip to do with the Christ’s basic message (love, equality, forgiveness, individualism, non-materialism). I don’t have to be a Christian to love that message!

Furthermore, they don’t believe you need a church or a priest to “connect with the creator”. Being a spiritual but utterly non-religious person myself, I don’t think of it as “connect with the creator” but more as “connect with [?!]creation[?!]”, and I do it through playing music, roaming the wild, thinking about mathematics and physics, watching my kids face down life’s injustices with courage and integrity.

I don’t much care if it’s religion or a philosophical understanding that leads one to the conclusion that there are things worth more than oneself or one’s individual life. “Souls”, if you will, that understand this viscerally, are incorruptible. I’d rather the company of a handful of these new (old?) Christians to a legion of lily-livered materialists who think they are in a mechanistic reality. This IS a spiritual war for our collective “group soul”, this IS a spiritual struggle to wake ourselves up before darkness overwhelms the lot of us.

If you have bought into the fake-leftist idea that religion is evil, then you’ve joined a religion without knowing it. Leaders of groups, when money gets involved, tend to be evil. Religions, corporations, governments, tribes, school boards, and especially university faculties—all of them! So what! And?

Few things in this world are uglier and scarier than fanatics. Gods, flags, ideologies, economic theories, political camps, it’s all the same, though. But it’s bigoted and insular to assume that our Christian brothers are lesser than we. I’ve met several of these church-emancipated Christians now, and they are without any doubt the most powerful warriors in this fight against evil that I’ve seen. They and I seem to have the same general feelings (that we MUST fight evil, that we are TINY in creation, that there IS some kind of greater purpose, that mystery abounds). But it’s not possible for me to join a church because I don’t even believe that Jesus was an historical personage, nor that he was inhuman if he was, nor that his mother was a virgin, nor that he could have been revived from a corpse. That’s all out of bounds for me since I’m a rational, evidence-based thinker with profound “faith” in the scientific method mostly.

But on the other hand, these people are just like me. We “worship the same creator” in a very real sense. We are willing to be sacrificed in this struggle (yet we are peace loving). We are in AWE of creation. We immediately sense in each other a kindred purpose and a kindled will. I know I have nothing to fear from their faith, and they know that my sort-of-atheism-whatever-it-is cannot threaten them or their faith. So we’re spiritual brothers.

I have very little time for people who have bought into that nonsense that religious people are inferior. That sounds like a religion to me. It sounds divisive. We don’t have any business mocking the faith of others (unless they try to thump us with their holy books and get in our business, in which case f*** ‘em, that’s the fanatical follower type, they have no faith, just fear).

So if you really consider yourself a liberal, or tolerant, or if you have the slightest interest in unifying us, then quit being bigoted against religion. It’s just more BS designed to divide us. Stalinism didn’t require a God to operate, so ditch your dumb theory that belief in God is intrinsically bad. It’s not. Duh.

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By Nelson Medeiros, January 4, 2010 at 11:58 pm Link to this comment
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I will have to respectfully dissagree with GoyToy and Glyder on this issue about Jesus Christ. Pope John Paul II once said in the face of one of his russian communist accusers, “Where you see darkness, I see light. Where you see distruction, I see salvation”. Jesus never pushed or forced His ideology on anyone. He was simply offering the world a free pass into heaven for those who would follow and believe in His teachings. You are certainly free to go your own way and believe what you want to. But you will be paying your debt for your sin on your own also. And that my friend is and eternal life of hell. I myself find great peace and serenity in Jesus and knowing that he payed the penalty for my sins.
Now, I think you are missing the whole picture about our Lord and what His death meant and what His life and teachings mean. He was sinless and did no wrong to anyone. He spoke the truth and He taught the truth. And the truth is, none of you can give me an example of where Jesus told a lie or did anything wrong. He was not violent in any way but spoke with compasion and showed great mercy to those who were outcast, poor or afflicted and He exposed those who lied cheated and lived wicked lives and He was killed for it. In essence, He was killed for doing everything right. So who should you really be dissagreeing with here? Jesus or the rest of this wicked and twisted world? The answer seems pretty simple to me! I think that if the world would embrace Jesus Christ as there saviour and live like or Lord has taught us, There wouldn’t be reason for war. We wouldn’t be reading up about bloodied children crying out for there mothers and fathers. But in reality, the world will not embrace the idea of loving your neighbour and your enemy or forgiving those who wrong you. There is always going to be those who want to eliminate Jesus and His ideology from the world. Why? my guess is; people don’t want to see the wretchedness that is inside of them, they don’t want to believe that they are in desperate need of saving, they don’t want to see themselves as helpless and insecure. They want to beleive that everything they do is right and ok. That there morals are above that of everyone else. They want to be gods to themselves and they rebel when told that they are in the wrong. And they persecute when proven wrong. It’s a pride thing and it’s in everyone of us and it’s only when we come to that realization that we can change ourselves from within. Jesus showed us who we really are. It is only those who are afraid to find out what they are really made of that shut Jesus out. Cowards. That is the real tragedy. I dare anyone to give Christ a chance in there life.

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By Not One More!, January 4, 2010 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges,
I usually read your articles on commondreams. But I found that I was censored and banned yesterday from posting on their site.

It seems that if you write about not supporting the democratic party or Obama, and that commondreams is partly responsible for the misrepresentation of the democratic party, and top that off with support of Nader over the democratic corporate candidates, not only does you comment get censored (comment removed with no indication that a comment was removed), but you get banned. And there is no recourse.

And yet they have the gall to publish your article today about censorship.

A brief search on the internet showed commondream of having a record of censoring people that don’t support the corporate democratic party.

This is disturbing because to the casual reader of their site, they won’t get a true picture of the opposing points of view, which is of course why commondreams censored my comments and banned me.

I maintain a website which promotes peace and justice. I’m serious about what I talk about, and give serious thought to my criticisms.

Censorship is just one of the tools that the propaganda machine is using.

The main reason that the pictures are censored is so that the the corporate elite can maintain the facade that only terrorists are being killed.

And I am being censored and banned by commondreams so that they can maintain the facade that the democrats are not complicit in the war, the health care failure etc.

There is no peace without justice, and no justice if it is based on lies.

AG

“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” — John F. Kennedy

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By glider, January 4, 2010 at 11:51 pm Link to this comment

Argh!! It is times like these I wish for an edit button on my posts.  Had it right the first time!  It is Hedges that is the Christian anti-war writer!  LOL!

>Opps!  My apologies to Hedges!, for my brain crossing wires and confusing him with Scheer for a moment.<<

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By Ouroborus, January 4, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

Hmm, WWII a “good war”? An oxymoron if ever there was
one. No war is a “good war” and WWII is no exception
for those that know the genuine history leading up to
Japan attacking the U.S. or Germany’s reasons either.
But back on topic; only reporters and photographers
who will tow the government line will be allowed to
embed and thereby we’ll be kept from much of the
truth. Sanitizing war allows our government to wage
death on many fronts; because people don’t want to
know the truth and the government is all too happy to
abide their wishes.
Hedges and other independent reporters due a great
service for those of us who care to know the reality
on the ground.

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By GoyToy, January 4, 2010 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment

Glider:

Well said. I’ve found it strange that the highest symbol of a religion should be the image of a great teacher, master and prophet tortured to death. I see no peace or serenity in such an icon.

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By glider, January 4, 2010 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

Opps!  My apologies to Hedges!, for my brain crossing wires and confusing him with Scheer for a moment.

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By glider, January 4, 2010 at 10:23 pm Link to this comment

By DaveZx3,
>>You are basically pushing your ideology onto the whole world<<

A trully laughable statement to be made by a Christian demagogue.  Look into the mirror. 

I praise this article of Chris Hedges since in this case he was smart enough to keep his evil complicit religion out of it.  For a more balanced view read “Johnny Got His Gun”.  My problem with Hedges is that he refuses to acknowledge the role of the “Prince of Peace” in all this death and destruction.

Your religion is symbolized by a physically tortured to death figure on a cross who made the ultimate sacrifice for humanity.  This horrible violence is proclaimed to be the greatest of gifts possible.  It is a glorification of pain, suffering, and death.  This concept is fundamentally engrained into our culture by brainwashing young innocent children with this sick image.  After reaching a militarily useful age they are called forth by the politicians and the preachers to then go make their own “sacrifice” for the country as shown by the “Prince of Peace”.  Yet after 2010 years of failure to stop war, and indeed racking up an impressive resume of war violence Christian demagogues like you telling us to get religion to stop the madness.

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By DBM, January 4, 2010 at 10:17 pm Link to this comment

I re-iterate: ...my understanding of the teachings of the Prince of Peace was that he wanted HIS ideology to reach all peoples and all nations ... and not by defeating them militarily.  If you don’t believe that is possible then how can you claim to follow him Zx3?

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By GoyToy, January 4, 2010 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

To DaveZx3:

So you’re saying just become a Christian and everything will be o.k.? In that case, we’ll continue to have wars for a very long time.

LOL

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By DBM, January 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm Link to this comment

“How long would WWII have lasted if Dunkirk, the Battle of Britain, Iwo Jima and Normandy had been reported live on the internet?”

I suspect about six years.  That was how long it took to defeat the Axis powers.  What that has to do with quickly crushing the weak armies of Afghanistan and Iraq and then occupying their countries for a decade (at least) is unclear.

... and why is it that every warmonger has to liken every conflict to WWII?  Can’t think of another “good” war?  There have been plenty since then ... maybe Grenada, you chickenhawk.

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By DBM, January 4, 2010 at 9:23 pm Link to this comment

rfidler,

Why does it matter who killed the boy? 

Was he scaring you??  ... and you call others “pussies”!! 

What a pathetic coward.

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By rico, suave, January 4, 2010 at 9:19 pm Link to this comment

“An Iraqi woman takes her dead son into her arms. The 6-year-old was killed on the way home from enrolling for his first year of school.”

The article doesn’t say who killed the boy, therefore it must have been the bad guys.

How long would WWII have lasted if Dunkirk, the Battle of Briatain, Iwo Jima and Normandy had been reported live on the internet?

Wake the fuck up you liberal pussies.

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By DBM, January 4, 2010 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

By jestawkin’, January 5 at 12:36 am #

“So we’re going to end war. Then how do we deal with the Bin Ladins and the Hitlers and [Your Villain Here] who don’t care at all about who’s killed or the effect of war?”

Hmmm ... how about arresting and trying Bin Laden or [Your Villain Here] instead of attacking whole nations and creating thousands of wannabee Bin Ladens and villains?  (Hitler, as a head of state, is a different matter).

Does that sound too hard?  Harder than war???  Do you really think it is more realistic to believe that invading Afghanistan and Iraq was ever going to solve the problem of terrorism?

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