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The Nonsense DebatePosted on Nov 11, 2011
Don’t laugh too hard at Rick Perry for his mortifying episode of brain-lock at Wednesday’s GOP presidential candidates’ debate. His opponents managed to remember their lines, but didn’t do any better at making sense. OK, I understand, the Perry Meltdown is hard to resist. There are three reasons why the Texas governor needs to pack it up and head back to Austin: He’s embarrassing himself; his plunging poll numbers give him little chance of winning the nomination; and, um, let’s see, the third reason, wait a minute, it’ll come to me. ... As everyone knows by now, there was a point in the debate when Perry tried to list the three federal agencies he would eliminate if he became president. He named the Commerce Department and the Education Department—then blanked on the third. He racked his brain for 43 mortifying seconds—an eternity when you’re in front of a television camera—before finally giving up. About 15 minutes later, at his next opportunity to speak, Perry doubled back and identified the elusive agency: the Department of Energy. But the damage had been done. “I’m glad I had my boots on, because I really stepped in it tonight,” Perry told reporters later. His performance in previous debates had been weak enough to prompt questions about his intellectual depth, not to mention his command of basic grammar. Anyone can have a momentary mental lapse, but Perry chose the worst possible moment for his. It’s one thing to fumble a list of 10 or 15 items. But three? As a fellow Texan, Don Meredith, used to croon when Monday Night Football games got out of reach, “Turn out the lights, the party’s over ... .” Advertisement Mitt Romney was generally considered the debate’s winner, but mostly by default. Romney has mastered the art of surviving these multi-candidate encounters: Speak fluidly and with conviction, secure in the knowledge that with so many others on the stage and so little time for each question, there’s hardly any danger of being caught in any but the most obvious contradictions, flip-flops and non sequiturs. There were so many from Romney that it’s hard to pick a favorite. But I’m going with his peroration—delivered with a straight face—on health care. “What’s wrong with our health care system in America is that government is playing too heavy a role,” said the former Massachusetts governor who designed and implemented a health-insurance mandate that became the model for President Obama’s Affordable Care Act. When one of the moderators, CNBC’s John Harwood, tried to call him on it, Romney changed the subject to Medicaid and ended by declaring, “Obamacare is wrong. I’ll repeal it. I’ll get it done.” Romney also noted that 18 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product is spent on health care, while no other nation spends more than 12 percent. He said this illustrates why we need to reduce government’s role and “get the market to work.” No one had the chance to point out that other industrialized countries have single-payer health systems that require much more government involvement than we have in the United States, not less. Newt Gingrich spent the evening acting grouchily superior and reminding us that he once was a professor of history. Asked what he did to earn the $300,000 he was paid by quasi-public mortgage giant Freddie Mac during the subprime housing bubble, Gingrich claimed he had just offered advice “as a historian.” Gingrich’s Ph.D. thesis at Tulane University was titled “Belgian Education Policy in the Congo: 1945-1960.” Who knew the job market for historians of colonial Africa was so hot? Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul were merely present and accounted for. Oh, and Herman Cain. In many ways, his gaffe was worse than Perry’s: He referred to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi as “Princess Nancy.” Cain has spent the past week trying to convince the nation he’s not guilty of chronically piggish behavior toward women. Belittling the first woman to become speaker of the House with a flip, sexist insult was telling—and appalling. Once again, a GOP debate produced a clear winner. Once again, it was President Obama.
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By Outraged, November 11, 2011 at 8:46 pm Link to this comment
The biggest issue with Ron Paul is that he is linked
to Americans For Prosperity(Koch brothers backed)
just like every other Republican. He’s simply called
upon when he can be politically useful. Check it
out (2007):
“Amy Hagerstrom Named Michigan Ron Paul State
Coordinator
She is currently the Michigan Director for
Americans for Prosperity, which is a national
grassroots free market advocacy organization. Amy has
spent the past year leading the Michigan office and
has successfully recruited over 5,000 grassroots
activists in that period of time. “
http://deviantlibertarian.blogspot.com/2007/11/amy-hagerstrom-named-michigan-ron-paul.html
All that “grassroots” activity she’s involved in….sure…, of course that’s not
to say that they haven’t scammed the true believers. Amy is married to Scott, who in 2011 is ....wait for it…
“In a speech earlier this month at the Conservative Political Action Committee’s annual conference, Americans For Prosperity-Michigan Executive Director Scott Hagerstrom revealed the true goal of his group and its allies like Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker’s (R) efforts. Speaking at CPAC’s “Panel for Labor Policy,” Hagerstrom said that AFP really wants to do is to “take the unions out at the knees”:”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/26/950021/-Americans-For-Prosperity:-What-We-Want-Is-ToTake-The-Unions-Out-At-The-Knees’
Just one big happy family over there at the Koch “house”. After all, Cain is Koch’s brother by another mother right…... it seems she was a very fertile woman. And even though they like to paint Paul as the bastard child, I think that that is only for public consumption.
Report thisBy John Sullivan, November 11, 2011 at 7:48 pm Link to this comment
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“Once again, a GOP debate produced a clear winner. Once again, it was President Obama.”
Report thisAnd the two-party duopoly that has failed this country miserably will continue.
By Blueokie, November 11, 2011 at 4:39 pm Link to this comment
Protean Paul’s fans don’t understand that he’s only popular with Libertarians.
Libertarians, overall, aren’t popular with Republicans. Its like the relationship
between the Democrats and the Greens. To get any traction Libertarians run in
the Republican primaries because progressives would not accept the idea that
really, they would be happier as serfs. Just as greens would not be accepted by
Republicans for the idea that,really, they could live with less carbon, and war
profiteering.
The idea is the Republicans co-opt the Libertarian voters, and then ignore them.
Report thisJust as the Democrats want to absorb Green voters, then ignore them.
By Justin Weleski, November 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
Truth doesn’t matter in these debates, just slogans. It seems that Romney has
now realized that. Why defend your indefensible record when you can simply deny
any of it ever happened and spout a few talking points?
In the United States of Amnesia (hat tip, Gore Vidal), the past doesn’t matter.
Gingrich can cheat on his wife while driving Clinton from office and Cain can
repeatedly sexually harass women…but none of it matters. Not when they can
blame it all on the liberal media.
If Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho ran for the RNC nomination,
Report thishe would win. Hands down.
By Paul_GA, November 11, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment
Yeah, scottpot, and she might be black, too ...
Report thisBy Peter Everts, November 11, 2011 at 2:43 pm Link to this comment
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Insane clown posse (aplogies).
Report thisBy Randall Flagg, November 11, 2011 at 1:52 pm Link to this comment
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If any one of these Republican morons somehow get elected, we will be well on our way to Mike Judge’s future vision of Idiocracy. Of course it could be said that in far too many ways we’re already there…
Report thisBy scotttpot, November 11, 2011 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment
The Corporate political system is open mocking Americans by fronting this latest batch of dopes running for the nomination.
Report thisBy 2024 America will have right -wing former weather girl as commander-in -chief.
By Paul_GA, November 11, 2011 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
Even if he doesn’t win the Repub nomination, I’m still voting for him when the primary rolls around next year, friends. Then I expect I’ll vote third-party in November; doesn’t matter which one—the two big parties, with one glowing exception, are part of the problem, and neither is part of the solution ...
Report thisBy Billy Pilgrim, November 11, 2011 at 7:05 am Link to this comment
I’m sick and tired of being sick and tired of listening
to the Ron Paul groupies on the so-called left.
His overall political philosophy is morally vacuous.
He also named his son after a sociopath who made
friends with a serial killer.
So please, enough with the Ron Paul love affair.
He will never win the Republican nomination.
Report thisBy Big B, November 11, 2011 at 6:09 am Link to this comment
Paul_Ga
Don’t make the same mistake that liberals did with Obama and assign our views to a flawed candidate. Just because Ron Paul is against the war(s) doesn’t make him a viable candidate for POTUS. He is still all for the dereluation and lawlessness that led us to these illegal wars in the first place. He believes in a dog-eat-dog libretarian america. Lets let him and his pro-rich people agenda die already.
Report thisBy Big B, November 11, 2011 at 5:59 am Link to this comment
You can just hear the conversation going on in the GOP star chamber now, “Sure he’s a fucking moron, but at least he’s not a mormon! Or black!”
Report thisBy Paul_GA, November 11, 2011 at 5:56 am Link to this comment
I note Ron Paul wasn’t even mentioned in this op-ed; either he talks sense, or else Robinson thinks that if the good doctor isn’t mentioned, he’ll go away ...
Report thisBy RayLan, November 11, 2011 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
So he didn’t do a good job representing his asshole Republican platform - what a pity
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