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The NAACP and the Tea Party’s Flag-BurnersPosted on Jul 14, 2010Good for the NAACP. We need an honest conversation about the role of race and racism in the tea party. Thanks to a resolution passed this week at the venerable organization’s national convention, we’ll get it. The minute you say there are racist elements in the tea party—reflected in signs at rallies, billboards and speeches from some of its major figures—the pushback goes from cries of persecution to charges that those who are criticizing divisiveness are themselves the dividers. So let’s dispense with the obvious: Most of the opposition to President Obama comes from people who are against his policies, not his race. The tea party is motivated primarily by right-wing ideology, not by racism. But guess what? Nothing the NAACP is saying contradicts this. Its contention is that there are clearly racist strains in the tea party and that the movement’s leaders and the politicians who profit from its activism should denounce them plainly and unequivocally. Here’s what Ben Jealous, the NAACP’s president and CEO, asked of the tea party: “Expel the bigots and racists in your ranks or take the responsibility for them and their actions. We will no longer allow you to hide like cowards.” Advertisement I reached Jealous in Kansas City, where he was attending the NAACP convention, and he went out of his way to emphasize that his group is not making a blanket charge of racism. “We have never called the tea party racist,” he said. “We know there are black tea party members and we want black people to feel comfortable taking leadership positions in all parties in this country.” But speaking of tea party leaders, he added: “We’ve seen the signs, we’ve heard the slurs, and all we’re asking is for you to act responsibly and say there’s no space for bigots in the tea party.” Sarah Palin struck back Tuesday on her Facebook page, declaring herself “saddened by the NAACP’s claim that patriotic Americans who stand up for the United States of America’s constitutional rights are somehow ‘racists.’ ” That, of course, is not what the NAACP is saying. She went on to refer to “America’s past racism,” and identified herself with Ronald Reagan, who said it was “a legacy of evil.” And then Palin brought the conversation back to herself. “Having been on the receiving end of a similar spurious charge of racism,” she said, “I know how Tea Party Americans feel to be falsely accused.” This is a shameless, narcissistic dodge. “Palin wants to construct a false argument,” Jealous said in the telephone interview. “Palin wants the terms of debate to be about people calling her racist, and nobody’s calling her racist.” The NAACP, he said, is simply challenging her along with other tea party leaders to separate themselves cleanly from “racist behavior” by some in the movement. “We have seen what’s happened in the past when we let groups play ‘hide the ball’ with racism in their ranks,” Jealous said. He’s right, and it’s time for mainstream conservatives to follow the admirable example of my Washington Post colleague Michael Gerson who recently deplored “Tea Party excess” and spoke of the need to distinguish “the injudicious from the outrageous.” Let’s start with former Rep. Tom Tancredo’s speech at a tea party convention last February that never got the attention it deserved. The reason we elected “Barack Hussein Obama,” Tancredo said back then, is “mostly because I think we do not have a civics literacy test before people can vote in this country.” By the way, he was cheered for this. Should anyone be surprised that members of the NAACP might be alarmed over the suggestion that we need “literacy tests,” phony devices once used to keep African-Americans from voting? Guilt by association is wrong, but it’s entirely legitimate to insist that those who believe in democracy and freedom take forceful steps to disassociate themselves from people in their movement who peddle racism, intolerance and fear. That’s what the NAACP is asking. It’s your move, Sarah. E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com. Previous item: There’s Just No Pleasing Some Robber Barons Next item: A Change Election—in the Wrong Direction New and Improved CommentsIf you have trouble leaving a comment, review this help page. Still having problems? Let us know. If you find yourself moderated, take a moment to review our comment policy. |
By Inherit The Wind, July 20, 2010 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment
Hey I-like-to-pretend-I’m-John-McClain (Call Me Roy), did I miss the part where you tell us about Barack Obama’s secret plan to ship all us White people back to Africa, oops, Europe, except the pretty White women? Did you squeeze in a stereotype or two about watermelon and fried chicken while you were at it?
Sheesh, what rocks do these characters crawl out from under? He makes GRYM look rational (and that ain’t easy).
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, July 20, 2010 at 3:13 am Link to this comment
Roy,
Ofersince72 doesn’t have anything on you.
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment
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Next, slip of the tongue or momentary confusion? In a television interview discussing his religion, Sen. Barack Obama stated, “My Muslim faith.” Obama, speaking to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week,” was talking about what he described as “smears” that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Christian. “Let’s not play games,” Obama stated. “What I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you’re absolutely right that that has not come.” Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, “Christian faith.” “My Christian faith,” Obama quickly said. “Well, what I’m saying is that he (McCain) hasn’t suggested that I’m a Muslim. And I think that his campaign’s upper echelons have not, either. What I think is fair to say is that, coming out of the Republican camp, there have been efforts to suggest that perhaps I’m not who I say I am when it comes to my faith – something which I find deeply offensive, and that has been going on for a pretty long time.” The statements came amid an exchange in which Obama accused Republicans of spreading “lies” that he is a Muslim. McCain, though, has strongly condemned such accusations. “These guys love to throw a rock and hide their hand,” Obama said. But Stephanopoulos corrected the Illinois senator, stating, “The McCain campaign has never suggested you have Muslim connections.” Obama replied: “I don’t think that when you look at what is being promulgated on Fox News, let’s say, and Republican commentators who are closely allied to these folks.” “But John McCain said that’s wrong,” Stephanopoulos shot back.
Next, May 2010: Speaking of not understanding—or acknowledging—the complexities of the Middle East, the President’s counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan, let it be known last week that he thinks there are ‘moderate elements’ within Hezbollah that the U.S. can do business with. Of course, he’s also told us that Islam is a religion of peace and that Islamic jihad is “a good thing.” There’s an old saying about politics that sums up our predicament pretty plainly: “Personnel is policy.” In this case, that means that what the people around the President think is, most often, what the President is going to do. If that doesn’t keep you on your knees a little longer, you’re not paying attention! Is this the dumbest employee of the Barry Barak Hussen Obama Administration or is he saying exactly what he is told?
Next, May 2010: think the previous story is the worst that it can get? Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri visited the White House this week. His nation plays amiable host to Iran’s creation and proxy, Hezbollah. In fact, Hariri has invited members of Hezbollah into his government. Though Mr. Obama pressed Hariri about the transfer of long-range missiles to Hezbollah, the Prime Minister seemed undeterred. Maybe this is why. Apparently, the real purpose for his visit was to threaten our President. He said that Mr. Obama was running out of time. If he didn’t force an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal that satisfied Arab demands soon, the result will be increased violence and extremism in the Middle East. What is it with these foreign heads of state coming into ‘the people’s house’ and knocking the U.S. or giving us ultimatums?
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment
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Next, Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the ranking member on the House intelligence committee, says the resignation of Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair “is the result of the Obama administration’s rampant politicization of national security and outright disregard for congressional intelligence oversight.” Hoekstra, who formerly served as chairman of the intelligence committee, issued a written statement saying that Blair’s readiness to step down, considering his record of service to the country, was “a disturbing sign of the stranglehold the Obama White House has placed on America’s intelligence agencies.” Clearly, and understandably, Director Blair was frustrated by the White House’s micromanagement and sidelining of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on national security issues. “Blair’s resignation is the result of the Obama administration’s rampant politicization of national security and outright disregard for congressional intelligence oversight. Blair’s resignation is disturbing and unfortunate. The concerns I have come from how the Obama administration conducts national security, not over the director of national intelligence, who they never allowed to do it.
“Congressional Republicans we will be watching closely who the president plans to name as a successor. Right now, the Obama administration’s national security apparatus is broken, dysfunctional and in disarray. Dennis Blair was the one person you could count on for rationality among Holder, Napolitano and Brennan—and he’s the one the president let go.”
Next, Monday, May 24, 2010. Dr. Donald Berwick, nominated by President Barry Barack Hussen Obama to head the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), the agency that runs Medicare, published an article in the British Medical Journal (BMJ), advising leaders of Britain’s socialized health care system: “Please don’t put your faith in market forces.” The article, published in the July 26, 2008 issue of the BMJ, compared the U.S. health care system unfavorably to the British system, which Berwick said he was “romantic about.” Sen. Pat Roberts (R-Kan.), who serves on the Senate Finance Committee, which has oversight over Berwick’s nomination, told CNSNews.com that he believes Berwick misunderstands the American health care system. “Nobody spends someone else’s money as carefully as they spend their own,” said Roberts, “and that’s what we’ve seen happening over the last several decades as the government pays for more and more care.” Roberts noted that Berwick’s “avid support for the rationing system” in Great Britain makes him a candidate to carry out a similar system here in the United States now that President Obama’s national health care plan has been enacted. “Obamacare will take on payment responsibility for a whole new class of Americans and, predictably, the Administration is searching for ways to contain their newly acquired costs,” said Roberts. “Rationing of health care will be their plan.
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment
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Next, Barry Barack Hussein Obama Tries to Eradicate Radical Islam / April 9, 2010. The Obama administration has just announced its intent to ban all words that allude to Islam from important national security documents. Put differently, the Obama administration has just announced its intent to ban all knowledge and context necessary to confront and defeat radical Islam (news much welcomed by Islamist organizations like CAIR).
Next, From Sunday’s 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, Televised “Meet the Press” THE THEN Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. General Bill Ginn’ USAF (ret.) asked Barry Barak Hussen Obama to explain WHY he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played. The General stated to Obama that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171…During rendition of the national anthem, when the flag is displayed, all present (except those in uniform) are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Or, at the very least, “Stand and Face It”. ‘Senator’ Obama replied: “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides”. “There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression..” “The anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all that sort of thing.”
Next, President Barry Barack Hussein Obama spoke to the graduating class at Hampton University in Hampton, Virginia. The man who made the internet a cornerstone of his campaign, tweeted (or twitted?) constantly to hundreds of thousands, if not millions of young fans, and used Facebook and other social media to great advantage, told the graduates that they were facing a new world in which they would be bombarded by too much unfiltered information. Further, the man who won election on the promise of ‘change’, told them that, unfortunately, the breathtaking change caused by this overload of information couldn’t be stopped. His speech seemed to imply that being exposed to all kinds of arguments is a BAD thing. That it might even threaten democracy. It’s a far cry from the time Americans treasured a ‘multiplicity of voices.’ That expansive variety of thought and expression guaranteed that somehow, some way, the truth would be heard. Apparently, that’s not what the Obama administration has in mind. In fact, in the financial reform bill, they’re seeking to put control of the internet in the hands of the Federal Trade Commission. Think about the almost total control of every aspect of our lives the government has gained through the misapplication of interstate commerce laws!
Next, Jon Huntsman (former Republican governor of Utah, and current ambassador to the People’s Republic of China) has not addressed the recent ridiculousness over our State Department apologizing to the People’s Republic of China for Arizona’s enforcement of the government’s own illegal immigration policy. Because it’s now officially part of the national discussion: The absolute low point of Barry Barak Hussen’s diplomatic escapades came last Friday, when a U.S. State Department delegation met with Chinese negotiators to discuss human rights. Apparently, our State Department felt it necessary to make their Chinese guests feel less bad about their own record of human rights abuses by repeatedly atoning for American “sins” – including, it seems, the Arizona immigration/pro-border security law. Instead of grilling the Chinese about their appalling record on human rights, the State Department continued the unbelievable apology tour by raising “early and often” Arizona’s decision to secure our border. Who’s side is this Administration on?
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment
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Next, ever wonder why our “lame-stream” press never has any further news about the White House gate-crashers Tareq and Michaele Salahi? Party Crashers’ had a five-year relationship with Obama before State Dinner, why didn’t the White House just say so? This is why: Obama Met Gatecrashers in 2005: According to Discover the Networks, ATFP’s former vice president is Rashid Khalidi, the Columbia University Middle East Studies professor and militant Palestinian rights activist. Khalidi cites the late Edward Said as his major influence, and according to the entry cited, “As with Said before him, Khalidi’s involvement with the Palestinian cause goes beyond mere support.” And, “Khalidi so strongly identified with the aims of the PLO, which was designated as a terrorist group by the State Department during Khalidi’s affiliation with it in the 1980s, that he repeatedly referred to himself as ‘we’ when expounding on the PLO’s agenda.” Also, according to Campus Watch, ATFP remains in full support of Kha lidi, for example, during charges of academic misconduct in 2005, at the time of Senator Barack Obama’s meeting with Tareq Salahi.
Next, Barry Barak Hussein Soetoro Obama wants to be president of these 57 United States? / May 9, 2008 | 1:42 pm Ah, Oregon. The beautiful Northwest. Rain. Trees. Clouds. Rain. Friendly territory for Sen. Barry Barack Hussen Obama, the leading contender for the Democratic Party’s long-disputed presidential nomination. Illinois Senator and leading Democratic presidential candidate Obama speaking to a friendly crowd.“It is wonderful to be back in Oregon,” Obama said. “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.” Coincidently, comprising 57 states, the Organization of the Islamic Conference is the second-largest intergovernmental institution in the world after the UN. It is a unique body. A political organization, it pursues a religious mission. The charter of the OIC makes clear that it exists, not only to promote the economic and humanitarian goals of member states, but also to “defend” and “disseminate” Islam itself.
Next, Unemployment in America is hovering at just below 10 percent, so President Barry Barak Hussein Obama hosts a “Summit on Entrepreneurship” in Washington, D.C., in an effort to boost economic development ... in Muslim nations? The president thinks more U.S. investment in Muslim lands and exchange programs that will bring Muslim women to America so they can work as interns will enhance U.S. prosperity and, thus, change Muslim attitudes about the United States. Egypt receives about $2 billion of American taxpayer dollars every year, yet it still votes against American interests at the U.N. 79 percent of the time. Jordan, a “moderate” Muslim nation, receives nearly $200 million annually in U.S. foreign aid, but votes against America at the U.N. 71 percent of the time. Pakistan votes 75 percent of the time against the U.S. at the U.N. while pocketing nearly $7 million annually in foreign aid (in addition to the money it gets to supposedly fight al-Qaida). Since 2007, U.S. foreign aid to the Palestinian Authority and to PA-controlled (nongovernmental organizations) reached nearly $2 billion, in addition to $3.7 billion contributed by the U.S. to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment
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Next, Barry Hussein Barack Obama’s ties with the highly corrupt ACORN organization have been extensive over the years, a fact almost entirely unreported by the liberal mainstream news media. The Obama campaign, according to the “Times,” paid ACORN $800,000 to register voters and do other work. Obama, when serving on the board of the Woods Fund in Chicago, gave ACORN money. “Investor’s Business Daily” has called Barack Obama “ACORN’s Senator.” And the Obama administration got up to $2 billion of taxpayer funding in Obama’s first 60 days for organizations such as ACORN.
Next, President Obama Appoints John Holdren as Science Advisor. In 1977 Dr. Holdren and his colleagues Paul and Anne Ehrlich published the book Ecoscience. In it, Holdren and his co-authors endorse the serious consideration of radical measures to reduce the human population. The measures include: • People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility.”
Next, Barry Barak Hussein Soetoro Obama has consistently shown himself to be a liberal elitist who looks down on “ordinary” Americans. Asked while campaigning for the Pennsylvania primary to explain why small-town Democrats did not support him, Obama replied “it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” When Obama made this remark he was alluding to small-town people who had experienced long periods of joblessness. In response to predictable outrage when his remarks were unexpectedly publicized, Obama did not recant his statement but instead replied, I “didn’t say it as well as I should have.”
Next, Martin Indyk, a former U.S. Ambassador to Israel and current foreign policy advisor to Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, continued the Administration’s arrogant handling of our ally. He told Israel Army Radio that the tiny nation needs to fall in line with American foreign policy or suffer the consequences. Among other threats, he said, “If you need the United States, then you need to take account of America’s interests.” He said that Mr. Netanyahu has a very simple choice: “Take on the President of the United States, or take on his right wing.” Indyk knows that if Netanyahu heeds the President’s demands, the right wing parties in his fragile coalition will walk. If they walk, the Israeli government will collapse—which is precisely what Obama and Clinton want. That way, Netanyahu will be forced to accept the Kadima party into his coalition and give the chronic appeaser, Tzipi Livni, a major role in the government. Goodbye, Israeli sovereignty. Hello, national suicide.
Report thisBy call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment
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Obama waives ethics rules for eligibility lawyer White House: Restrictions on top attorney ‘not in public interest’. President Obama has waived ethics rules for White House counsel Robert Bauer, his personal and campaign lawyer – and the same attorney who has defended Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.
Next, Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama says America is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. In an interview with France’s Canal Plus, Obama suggested that the United States might be a Muslim country. “And one of the points I want to make is, is that if you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we’d be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. Obama said in Turkey that Americans “do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation”. Telegraph.co/UK says: UPDATE 2: a reputable survey by Pew that puts the number of Muslims in the US at 1.8 million. This would make it the 48th biggest Muslim country, after the above list plus France, Libya, Jordan, Israel, Turkmenistan, Uganda, Kyrgyzstan, Mauritania, Germany, Kuwait, Oman, Eritrea, Lebanon and Serbia and Montenegro – and just above Britain, which would be the 50th.
Next, Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama Freezes Budget for Program Designed to Stop Terrorists from Getting U.S. Visas
“The visa security process is our first line of defense against terrorists and others who wish to do us harm,” Rep. Lamar Smith (Texas), the lead sponsor of the Secure Visas Act, told CNSNews.com. “But under President Obama, new Visa Security Units ground to a halt.” “If the Obama administration will not exercise its authority to develop new VSUs (Visa Security Units) at the highest risk posts identified by its own Department of Homeland Security, Congress must step in,” said Smith.
Next, Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama’s Envoy “Rashad Hussain” to Islamic Bloc Admits Controversial Statements About Supporter of Terror Group.
Next, the Barry Hussein Obama controlled Pentagon had three Navy SEALs who faced assault charges for capturing one of the most wanted terrorists in Iraq. Why?
Next, President Obama appointed Ron Bloom,
“Manufacturing Czar” who cites Chairman Mao as a political guide.
Next, President Obama appointed Anita Dunn, White House Communications Director. She stated in an address to high school students this past June that Chairman Mao Tse-tung was one of the two “philosophers” she most often turns to.
Next, it’s John Brennan, President Obama’s national security deputy, thinks Gitmo jihadi recidivism is “not that bad.”
Next, Daniel Kurtzer another State Department official, blamed the Israeli response to terror attacks for “the radicalization of those Palestinians to violence”. He does not characterize the perpetrators as terrorists but as “guerillas”. accepts a false premise: that the Palestinian problem is the core of the conflict in the Middle East.
Next, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano. Beginning with her embrace of the impotent euphemism “man-caused disasters” to the hit job on conservatives and veterans that she was forced to apologize for, to her assertion that crossing the border illegally, “isn’t a crime per se”, to her claim that 9/11 terrorists came in through the Canadian border. The latest is the Times Square bomber, with reassuring a frazzled nation that the failed bombing appeared to be an isolated incident—a “one-off”—and avoided the notion of (much less the word) “terrorism.”
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
A survey of Tea Party members has shown 1% to be black; an even smaller percentage than those blacks who identify themselves as being Republican. This small percentage says more about the black membership than it does about Tea Partiers. “The many black Americans who have spoken at tea party rallies…” are an over representation of Tea Party black membership.
The anomalous instances of blacks supporting the Tea Party and the Republican Party, and running for office, becomes more understandable when one realizes that blacks who support the Right are more than likely doing so to advance their own personal interests and their anomalous ideological and social beliefs.
Having looked at the data, but not offering any; its clear that the percentage of black households with assets of 1 million dollars or more is dwarfed by the percentage of white households with assets of 1 million dollars or more. It seems reasonable to me, that those blacks, who have become a part of the economic elite, would have political attitudes, and values, similar to the greater economic elite, in addition, the small percentage of blacks within the Tea Party are not proportionally representative of blacks, or whites, in the greater population.
Vernon Parker running for Congress in Arizona’s 3rd district as a Tea Partier, for example, received criticism from conservatives when he ran for Governor of the State of Arizona.
“The first huge strike against him is he made national headlines when he received a large federal, taxpayer-grant (over a million dollars) for a minority owned business. My first reaction is ,”What is a true “conservative” doing taking advantage of taxpayer dollars because of his skin color. The grant is under even more suspicion since he has been accused of falsifying the documents.”
“Haley, a 38-year-old state legislator with the backing of tea party activists and Sarah Palin, brushed aside allegations of marital infidelity and an ethnic slur to come within a percentage point of winning the gubernatorial nod outright June 8.”
Ethnic slur? Marital Infidelity? Sarah Palin?
“Scott, 44, also a state lawmaker, beat Paul Thurmond, the son of the late U.S. senator and former segregationist Strom Thurmond in the runoff after securing the backing of Palin, the anti-tax Club for Growth and several Republican leaders in Washington…”
Allen West, “While serving in Taji, Iraq, on August 20, 2003, as commander of the 2d Battalion 20th Field Artillery, Lieutenant Colonel West was in charge of an interrogation of a civilian Iraqi police officer who was suspected of having pertinent information regarding attacks on American soldiers. According to the Military Investigation, soldiers under West’s supervision assaulted the civilian in an attempt to get him to talk. West admittedly fired a pistol near the policeman’s head, threatened his life, and allowed his troops to physically assault the man.
Report thisWest, who at the time was just short of having 20 years of service, was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. West was processed through an Article 32 hearing in November 2003, where he admitted wrongdoing, was fined $5,000 over two months for misconduct and assault. He then submitted his resignation, and was allowed to retire with full benefits in the summer of 2004.”
By call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment
Van Jones to speak at the private prep school, Phillips Exeter Academy
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February 23, 2010 by Brenda J. Elliott
Unless you follow New Hampshire political blogs you may not know that avowed communist and Obama’s former “green jobs” czar, Van Jones, spoke last night at the private prep school, Phillips Exeter Academy. The elite school describes itself as a “co-educational residential school serving 1000 students in grades 9 through 12, and post-graduate level.” Keep that number in mind. The first report came Friday, February 19, from the NH Tea Party Coalition that “Obama’s former ‘climate czar’ is going to be visiting Exeter NH on Monday February 22.” Repower America, the green energy industry umbrella organization, is the group bringing in Van Jones to speak at this event in Exeter next Monday. More on Repower America below. Then, on Sunday, February 21, blogger Patrick at NowHampshire.com speculated either the school’s principal, Thomas E. Hassan, husband of NH State Senator Maggie Hassan, or the Senator herself had invited Jones to speak. The principal’s office, however, denied in an email that he had invited Jones: Van Jones is among the speakers invited to campus by the student Environmental Action Committee and the Environmental Task Force, the groups planning activities around Exeter’s seventh annual Green Cup Challenge. Senator Hassan was not involved in this decision, nor is she involved in other Academy decisions. Please remove the references to the Hassans in relation to Mr. Jones’ visit from your web site. Needless to say references to the Hassans remain. Yesterday, Grant Bosse at New Hampshire Watchdog blog wrote: Americans For Prosperity-New Hampshire has called on Phillips Exeter to rescind Jones’ invitation because he is a “self-professed communist” and signed a 9/11 Truther petition blaming President Bush for the attacks. AFP-NH is wrong to demand Jones be kicked off campus. First, this is Phillips Exeter. They’ve been filling the heads of prep schoolers with liberal mush for generations. More importantly, Van Jones is valuable. He is so clearly, delusionally, mind-blowingly wrong about everything, that having him speak in public is a boon to backers of free-market principles. Jones is a living, breathing advertisement for the intellectual bankruptcy of the socialist ideology.
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By call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 7:02 pm Link to this comment
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Van Jones to speak at the private prep school, Phillips Exeter Academy
If you believe in free markets and free people, you should only hope that the anti-freedom argument is being made by someone as hamhandedly inept as Van Jones. Sure, he’ll cloak his big government, anti-capitalist rants in the myth of Green Jobs, and maybe appear persuasive to high school students and Phillips Exeter faculty. But we can’t prevent children and liberals from believing in fairy tales. And it would be cruel to ruin their fantasy. Ultimately, we are better served by having someone whose beliefs in authoritarian government are so thinly veiled in environmental jargon. Van Jones is wrong about everything. If someone is going to spout nonsense about Green Jobs, better he than someone with an ounce of credibility remaining. Now about Repower America. RBO wrote February 11 about the faux “clean energy” roots political ad then running on tv in Massachusetts. The ad was both created and paid for by Repower America / Climate Protection Action Fund, both Al Gore Save-the-World entities. One can only imagine the number of photo ops created and saved for Repower America yesterday.
Report thisNobody Showed Or not so many. It seems that an auditorium that can seat 500 on a campus of 1000 students — and an event that was open to the public — was quite barren. The NH Tea Party Coalition reported this morning that only 70 people showed up on a fairly warm springish winter’s eve. Only about 70 people attended the Van Jones talk at Phillips Academy Exeter where Jones, Obama’s ex-green job czar, came to talk about green jobs for NH in a venue that could have held 500 or more.
By call me roy, July 19, 2010 at 6:49 pm Link to this comment
In a year when America’s tea party activists have been surging, cable news networks that slam the grassroots movement have been dying in the ratings. Is it merely coincidence? As widely reported, 2010’s first quarter ratings for cable news networks were released earlier this month. Compared to the numbers in 2009, Fox News Channel, frequently reported as a favorite of the tea partiers, actually gained 3 percent over last year’s numbers, but MSNBC, whose left-leaning commentary has been far more critical of the movement, has dropped 15 percent of its audience. Even more startling, however, is the ratings freefall of the former news giant CNN, whose viewing audience has been sliced by 39 percent. The continual decline of ratings for two key players CNN and MSNBC have many Americans calling these twins Pravda America. Americans want to hear objective reporting of news, instead of the non-stop cheerleading for the Obama Administration. If Pravda America doesn’t want to become more fair in their reporting- so be it.
Only four more months until November and I can smell the fear already.
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 19, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment
The Tea Party movement members are really ultra conservatives who — surprise — vote Republican. It has always been a media fabrication that these people are something different from ultra right wing Republicans who, whenever a Democrat gets elected, go ballistic. This time, of course, with the Democrat being African American, the crazier elements of this far right wing group have become even further unhinged. Thus, it is no surprise the Republicans are supporting them. In shorthand, the following equation is true: Tea Party “Movement” = Republicans
The Tea Party may or may not be racist at its core, but there are racists within the Tea Party, in no small part because the neo-Confederate ideology of the Tea Party attracts them. Anyone who says differently is refusing to confront the historical evidence. Aside from my experience with Tea Baggers during the Health Care “debates”, I have some members of my extended family who claim to be Tea Party members and they make no secret about their racist feelings…about blacks, about Mexicans, or anyone of color or minority status. Sure, they talk about taxes, etc…but they almost always like taxes raised for foreign wars – no questions asked. They’ll talk about deficits and Obama’s reckless spending but had no problem whatsoever with Bush’s tax cuts to the rich or Bush’s unnecessary wars that created those deficits. Regardless of whatever else they talk about, the minority resentment is there. Sooner or later their private conversations will come back to it. This entire mantra of “I want my country back” is more about the changing face of America than it is about small government. I’m not saying every single Tea Bagger is a racist, but in my personal experience with Tea Baggers race factors heavily in their ultra-right ideology and accounts for more than just “a few” members.
Report thisBy PatrickHenry, July 19, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment
Its not the NAACP or the Tea Party which are racist, but a few, very few advocates in those groups who are.
The consolidation of independent media in this country has caused more harm than most recognize. No dissenting views, vetting of stories and the ability to choose what is reported, when it is reported and most importantly how it is reported have boiled down to a form of censorship and hypnosis.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 10:37 am Link to this comment
Call Me Roy
In a society that values political freedom, free thought, and freedom of speech, you can expect to be free to cast aspersions on others based on their real, or imagined, past and present political affiliations, just as those you accuse, should be free to pursue their political beliefs and activities.
In a free democracy, we the electorate of that democracy, in order to make wise and informed beneficial political decisions, need truthful information; information that is free from distortion and exaggeration, and information that is significant in political relevance. When opposing political factions and philosophies come into conflict in a point counterpoint dialogue, there is a tendency towards exaggeration, distortion, and depending on the passions and ethical virtues of the participants in a dialogue, outright disingenuousness or intentional deception, along with other debating techniques that are intended to counter information that a participant may find detrimental to his argument or beliefs. A common tactic used by many when confronted by information they can not refute is to ignore the detrimental information and shift the discussion to other issues. The new issue may have, or may not have, relevance to the original issue, and the new issue may, or may not, have validity, but the tactic, if not challenged, has served it’s purpose in allowing a participant in debate to avoid confronting the information (Facts) they can not refute.
For example, when discussing racism, a common tactic today is to counter accusations of racism with accusations of reverse racism. When discussing the issue of racism within the Tea Party movement, if a debater shifts the debate away from the issue of Tea Party racism, to other supposed instances of racism, real or imagined, I’ll argue that that shift away from the original issue has resulted from an inability to refute information that supports the contention that there is racism in the Tea Party movement.
By its very nature the NAACP is an ethno-centric organization, it was formed with the express purpose of combating perceived injustice, and to advance the interests of its members and constituents. Does this reality prove that the NAACP is a racist organization?
Racism: 1. The idea that one’s own race is superior. 2. A policy or practice based on such an idea.
Seeing as how the NAACP has devoted itself to the concept of equality, and because I have seen no evidence or declarations from the NAACP or its members to the contrary, I do not believe the NAACP is a racist organization, quite the contrary, but any real or imagined racism by the NAACP is not the intended subject of this forum, is it? The NAACP has requested that Tea Party leaders disavow racism within the Tea Party movement, that request has been met by charges that the NAACP is racist and by implications, from you, that the NAACP is subversive, and by allegations of racism directed at the NAACP by Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and all the usual suspects, along with vile and overt demonstrations of racism from some from within the Tea Party movement.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment
Call Me Roy (Cont.)
The implication, by you, is that because Van Jones had formed a Marxist organization, and because the NAACP gave him an award, then the NAACP has complicity with Van Jones’ past Marxism. First, let me comment that even if, the NAACP was a Marxist organization, in a politically free society, the NAACP would have every right to be a Marxist organization if it so chose, but it hasn’t chosen to be Marxist, and it isn’t a Marxist Organization. Simply because the NAACP’s political perspective is offensive to some, doesn’t mean that the NAACP is Marxist. The NAACP is funded by major corporations such as General Electric, Boeing, and Lockheed. There are many on the right who accuse Obama of being a Marxist, while there are an equal number on the left who accuse Obama of being a shill for Corporate America. All these allegations of Marxism, directed at the right’s political opponents, smacks of McCarthyism and is a calculated attempt by the right to effectively stifle actual political freedom.
“Anthony “Van” Jones (born September 20, 1968) is an American environmental advocate, civil rights activist and attorney. Jones is a co-founder of three non-profit organizations. In 1996 he founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, a California non-governmental organization (NGO) working for alternatives to violence. In 2005 he co-founded Color of Change, an advocacy group for African Americans.[1] In 2007 he founded Green For All, a national NGO dedicated to “building an inclusive green economy strong enough to lift people out of poverty.”[2] His first book, The Green Collar Economy, was released on October 7, 2008, and reached number 12 on the New York Times Best Seller list.[3] In 2008, Time magazine named Jones one of its “Heroes of the Environment”.[4] Fast Company called him one of the “12 Most Creative Minds of 2008”.[5]
In March 2009 Jones was appointed by President Barack Obama to the newly created position of Special Advisor for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, where he worked with various “agencies and departments to advance the administration’s climate and energy initiatives, with a special focus on improving vulnerable communities.”[6][7] In July 2009 he became “embroiled in a controversy”[8] over his past political activities, including a public comment disparaging congressional Republicans, his name appearing on a petition for 911Truth.org, and allegations of association with a Marxist group during the 1990s.”
“Jones is currently a senior fellow at the Center For American Progress and a senior policy advisor at Green For All. Jones also holds a joint appointment at Princeton University, as a distinguished visiting fellow in both the Center for African American Studies and in the Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy at the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs.”
1997-1999 - Rockefeller Foundation “Next Generation Leadership” Fellowship
Report this1998 - Reebok International Human Rights Award
2000 - International Ashoka Award
2008 - Time Magazine Environmental Hero[4]
2008 - Elle Magazine Green Award2008 - One of the George Lucas Foundation’s “Daring Dozen”
2008 - Hunt Prime Mover Award; Hunt Alternatives Fund
2008 - Campaign for America’s Future “Paul Wellstone Award”
2008 - Global Green USA “Community Environmental Leadership” Award
2008 - San Francisco Foundation Community Leadership Award
2008 - Puffin/Nation prize for “Creative Citizenship”
2008 - World Economic Forum “Young Global Leader”
2009 - Hubert H. Humphrey Civil Rights Award[60]
2009 - Eco-Entrepreneur Award, Institute for Entrepreneurship, Leadership & Innovation; Howard University
2009 - Individual Thought Leadership, Energy & Environment Awards; Aspen Institute[61]
2010 - NAACP President’s Award
By JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment
Call Me Roy (Cont.)
Van Jones’ credentials, accomplishments and contributions seem to make him worthy of recognition by the NAACP. His once (Out of anger, and of a sense of gross injustice,) having formed a Marxist organization, only negates his accomplishments in the eyes of people such as yourself. People like me see his former affiliations as having little significance when compared to his accomplishments and contributions.
Regarding the NAACP’s alleged lobbying for the New Black Panther Party defendants, and the testimony by J. Christian Adams before the Civil Rights Commission, given the nature of the offense as related here on this forum, I personally believe that if there is any truth to the allegations, then the NAACP is guilty of an unacceptable lack of good judgment. Is it legal to lobby the Department of Justice? I don’t know, but without being specific, I know that lobbying the Justice department has occurred in the past. The right wing media has been going ballistic over this two year old story, but there is another side to the story.
“J. Christian Adams’ accusations that President Obama’s Justice Department engaged in racially charged “corruption” in the New Black Panther Party case do not stand up to the evidence. Adams is a right-wing activist tied to the Bush-era politicization of the Justice Department who has admitted he lacks first-hand knowledge of the events he is discussing, and his claims fall apart given the fact that the Obama DOJ obtained judgment against one defendant, while the Bush DOJ declined to pursue similar allegations in 2006.”
Finally, two points of interest in this discussion are that the New Black Panther Party suspended King Shamir from participation in the New Black Panther Party for two years, because of his deranged comments, and the remnants of the original Black Panther Party have disavowed the New Black Panther Party.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 19, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
The race card. So useful to play when you’re losing an argument.
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MSNBC talk show host Chris Matthews asked Rep. Bob Inglis, R-S.C., last Wednesday why Republicans in his state would nominate an Indian-American, Nikki Haley, for governor, and a black, Tim Scott, for Congress, even though “they’ve got a problem with a black president?”
Mathews’ reasoning, such as it is, goes something like this: Republicans and Tea partiers oppose President Barack Obama’s policies. Mr. Obama is (half) black. Therefore, tea partiers and republicans oppose Mr. Obama’s policies because he is black.
This argument is so puerile people with an IQ above room temperature have difficulty believing those who make it are serious. But there are small-minded bigots who cannot imagine any reason other than racial animosity for opposing President Obama’s policies.
It seems not to have occurred to Mr. Matthews that the “problems” South Carolina Republicans have with Mr. Obama have nothing to do with the color of his skin.
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The many black Americans who have spoken at tea party rallies, such as Herman Cain, Deroy Murdock and congressional candidates Allen West (Florida), Tim Scott (South Carolina) and Vernon Parker (Arizona), have denounced the NAACP resolution as “politically motivated”.*
The resolution “was inappropriate, narrow-minded and divisive, a move that will only cement the aging organization’s growing reputation as a repository for partisan hacks.” - Cynthia Tucker of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
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Independent voters, those who actually decide elections, now make up almost a quarter of those who say they identify with the Tea party. This leaves the democrat party in one hell of a bind.
Report this*NOTE: The NAACP’s “official resolution” concerning the Tea party’s “racism” is scheduled to be released in October. Just before the November election.
By JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment
Billy Roper is a write-in candidate for governor of Arkansas and an unapologetic white nationalist.
“I don’t want non-whites in my country in any form or fashion or any status,” he says.
Roper also is a tea party member who says he has been gathering support for his cause by attending tea party rallies.
“We go to these tea parties all over the country,” Roper said. “We’re looking for the younger, potentially more radical people.”
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 19, 2010 at 6:36 am Link to this comment
Go Right Young Man
Sarah Palin is like obscenity. Those of us, who believe she is a racist, hold a view similar to Justice Potter’s who said, “I know it when I see it.”
The issue is bigger than Sarah Palin though; the right has always been infected with racism. This is a reality recognized by historians, political scientists, and academics, in spite of what absurdist revisionists like Glenn Beck and other deniers try to claim.
This reality is illustrated by the glaring events of history. One example would be the Deep South’s racists abandoning the Democratic Party, after civil rights legislation was passed, to support Governor George Wallace in his bid for the presidency; they eventually voted for Richard Nixon. Reagan effectively used Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” in order to strengthen his Reagan Democrats voting block.
The Deep South’s shift from being Democratic to Republican is rooted in racism. Have you seen a map of red states and blue states recently?
Rather than disavow the obvious elements of racism in the Tea Party movement, some Tea Partiers attack the NAACP, and accuse the NAACP of being racists. They are using the “Race card” race card.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 18, 2010 at 8:21 pm Link to this comment
ITW,
Where did you learn of Sarah Palin saying that the NAACP has accused her of being a racist?
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 18, 2010 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment
GRYM:
You really need to get away from your childish insistence that you get to frame a loaded question and if it’s not answered (because you’ve cooked it so there is NO “right” answer) then you get to say “See? See? See? He is a racist/bigot/liberal/commie (whatever)!”
It’s a trick Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity use all the time to “prove” their point with liberals (O’Reilly adds a mute button to shut off their mike as well).
Personally, I think Palin is a racist and the Native Americans in Alaska know it, as do Latinos in the rest of country.
Bush was attacked because he used a series of planned lies to get us into an unnecessary war while we were fighting another war—and cost us any chance of success in that first war.
He was attacked because he sank the economy.
But I don’t know of any attacks claiming Bush was a racist (and it’s one sin I would never charge him with either). But Obama is hit with it EVERY DAY.
Report thisI don’t object to insulting nick-names and cartoons for and of him—that’s fair game. I do object to the racist ones (Remember the watermelon dollar bill? A stereotype that goes back to the 19th century).
By Fat Freddy, July 18, 2010 at 7:20 am Link to this comment
The problem is the Tea Party is not an official political party, it has no formal platform, and there is no official leadership. This is by design. Somehow, this is supposed to give their movement legitimacy.
I spend a lot of time on official and non-official Libertarian Party sites. There seems to be a steady flow of Tea Party type people who come and tell us that our positions are wrong, as if they are trying to shape us into being more like they are. They are quick to attack our positions on gay marriage, abortion, war, and immigration, but offer no real arguments that support their opposition to our positions and small government and individual liberty. They tell us we should ally with them to advance the economic issues, but when questioned, they have very little understanding of economics. Their view seems to consist mostly of cutting spending and reducing taxes. This is consistent with the Libertarian view. However, the Libertarian view goes much deeper into the monetary issues. After all, it was monetary issues that were the primary cause of the formation of the Libertarian Party in 1971, when Nixon broke the Bretton Woods agreement and took us off the “gold standard”.
They are extremely patronizing, as well. I had one guy call Libertarians, Libertines, and then in the next sentence, say he didn’t care what we did in the privacy of our own bedrooms. I had to seriously bite my tongue to keep from telling him to go fuck himself.
My biggest problem with Tea Partiers isn’t necessarily their racist tendencies as much as their socially conservative views. I think the racism issue is overblown, however, it does seem to be a contributing factor to their position on Mexican immigration. I can’t seem to get a reasonable argument from them. Even when I offer to concede denial of social programs for immigrants, they still want to deny entry to Mexicans. Then they jump to the “they commit crimes” issue, which is even less of a cogent argument.
The official Libertarian Party platform is very well defined and hasn’t changed much in the past 39 years of its existence. Tea Partiers just seem to be disgruntled Republican social conservatives.
http://www.lp.org/platform
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=5978057725&topic=15461#!/libertarians
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 18, 2010 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
ITW,
I can do it. Why can’t you?
You want to see a lie? Or, at the very least, an example of an individual who has a perception problem? I’ll display it for all to see.
Jealous said in the telephone interview. “Palin wants the terms of debate to be about people calling her racist, and nobody’s calling her racist.”
Nobody is calling Sarah Palin racist? Where in the world does Mr. Jealous have his head? I can lend us dozens of examples of people calling Palin racist. Some of them right on this very thread.
Are you about to tell us all that we should trust in the perceptions of Mr. Jealous? Are you about to tell us that the head of the NAACP is being honest?
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 18, 2010 at 6:06 am Link to this comment
ITW,
The issue is not Falwell or Fox News or the Tea Party. The issue is how you imagine things that are actually not there.
Why don’t you copy and paste the section in the above article which supports what you still imagine? It’s the simplest thing in the world. You could easily prove me wrong. You could shut me down completely on this subject.
Answer the question.
Where did you learn of Sarah Palin saying that the NAACP has accused her of being a racist?
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 18, 2010 at 5:39 am Link to this comment
The simple fact is there are racist groups that exist everywhere. They exist by design. However, there is no grouping of human beings which can be said to be more or less racist based on color, politics, ideology or geography.
Show us a person who believes a group to be more or less racist based on color, politics, ideology or geography and I will show you a true small-minded bigot.
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As far as U.S. politics is concerned, the previous president was depicted and attacked by the opposition in every negative manner imaginable. The charge of racism was almost non-existent. Why? Because he was white?
Those who have convinced themselves that today’s opposition is based on the color of the president’s skin are the true bigots and/or racists. How do we know this? Because the current president was elected by the same basic margins as the last. The same can be said of the current opposition. The basic margins remain the same. The previous was white and the current half black. The previous from one political party and the current from another. This strongly suggests politics to be the driving factor. Not race.
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With all of the above said I will freely admit that I am guilty of separating voters by color. I believed the majority of black Americans would vote heavily in favor of the black candidate. I never believed, however, that this would prove black Americans to be more or less racist. It proves only that black Americans are human beings.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 18, 2010 at 4:27 am Link to this comment
GRYM:
I was going to say you need to re-read EJ Dionne’s article again but there’s no point. You’ll merely read into exactly what you want to read into it, as you always do.
I don’t think I’ve ever lived through a time before when so many Americans have been so delusional about their nation, the world, and their fellow Americans who disagree with them. I didn’t think it was possible at all until I first saw Jerry Falwell on Sunday TV in 1978 preaching a view of the US that was nothing but bizarre. I thought surely this will never go beyond a few religious fanatics.
Then Ronald Reagan was elected and the floodgates to spreading Falwell’s fantasy vision. Murdoch created Fox Propaganda and the poison spread.
Despite the evidence obvious contradictions, the disasters brought down on the American economy, foreign relations, industrial base and the foundation of our freedoms, this poison spreads, driving out the thoughtful and honest conservatives.
Instead we have this hate-driven tea party seeking to destroy the progress of the last 145 years.
Report thisBy Chris Bieber, July 17, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
Mr Dionne,
Report thisGuilt by association is wrong, but it’s entirely legitimate to insist that those who believe in democracy and freedom take forceful steps to disassociate themselves from people in their movement who peddle racism, intolerance and fear. That’s what the NAACP wont do. It’s your move, E.J.
By a VOID dunce, July 17, 2010 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Who the freak cares if the Tea Partiers are racist? Everybody is racist, and they always have been. Look at our founding fathers. There have been a lot of racists in the world, so what? I like the Tea Partiers, their against Government, taxes, giveaways, the Democrats, and the “Magic Negro,” so they’ve got my vote.
Any party that leans towards libertarians gets my vote. I said liber-TARIANS not liber-ALS. Liberals are a bunch of smart ass, do gooders, bleeding hearts, and “intoolexuals.”
Report thisBy call me roy, July 17, 2010 at 11:36 am Link to this comment
Big problems for who?
Report thisBenjamin Todd Jealous is president and CEO of the NAACP and says Anthony “Van” Jones is a “National Treasure.” While Van Jones may have left the White House under a cloud, the NAACP says that’s not his whole story. The group considers him a pioneering hero for the environment and civil rights — so much so that it awarded him one of its highest honors: an NAACP Image Award. It’s a move that stoked the fire from Jones critics. Jones resigned in September 2009 from his position on the Council on Environmental Quality, under a firestorm of criticism over a petition he had signed. The NAACP keeps saying he is the most misunderstood man. I’m trying to figure out exactly where he’s misunderstood. Is he misunderstood because he’s a 9/11 Truther? Is he misunderstood because he’s a self avowed communist? Is he misunderstood because he is a guy who defended Mumia Abu Jamal, the cop killer? Let’s see. Is he understood because he wants a revolution? I’m trying to figure out how he’s misunderstood. How is he misunderstood? We know where Van Jones stands on Marx. The question I have now is: Where does the NAACP stand on Marx?Where does the “NEW” NAACP stand on the Black Panther party? Does the NAACP’s timing seem strange considering the November election is just around the corner? The NAACP would never use “the race card” would they?
By call me roy, July 17, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
Most recent Progressive meeting
Report thisWhere’s that gavel? OK, (knock, knock, knock)
House Leader speaks: Ladies and Gentlemen, may I have your attention. We Democrats are having this closed door meeting today after hearing comments from White House Press Secretary Gibbs about Republicans taking control of the House in the fall. I am sure everyone here today realizes what “dire straits” we find ourselves in for the November elections . Who like to start this meeting?
(Representative Maxine Waters speaks: Play the race card
House Leader speaks: Sounds good to me, that works every time. I will contact the NAACP this evening. Meeting adjourned.
By PatrickHenry, July 17, 2010 at 10:55 am Link to this comment
I feel the Tea Party is a result of the momentum created by Ron Paul in the last election with the public want of a major 3rd political party, being hijacked by younger elements in the Republican and Democratic parties.
Rand Paul is an obvious offspring of that creation, so is Sarah Palin.
Of course the NAACP is going to find racists in the Tea party, if you look hard enough you will find some in the NAACP.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 17, 2010 at 10:32 am Link to this comment
ITW,
It’s not possible, for me personally, to care any less about Ms. Palin. By now, however, you fully understand that Sarah Palin is not the issue. By now you have come to realize that you cannot answer my last question. You cannot substantiate your beginning post on this thread. To answer the question is to do something you simply cannot bring yourself to do.
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The issue is how intolerant you are with others unlike yourself. How you have steadily built up a raw hatred of Tea Party people.
You have written for months how Tea Party people do not think the way you want them to think. How they do not see the world as you would like them to. How their perceptions are, as you constantly write, lies. - Which are, in reality, simply different points of view from your own and it angers you witless.
Today you perceive Sarah Palin as “the face and de facto leader” of these people you could not disagree with more. Your hatred grows.
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By now you have looked over the article above and have come to realize how you allowed your hate and intolerance to imagine things that are simply not there. Ms. Palin, as far as you know, had never claimed that the head of the NAACP called her a racist. But you were absolutely and unequivically certain of what you had imagined. Palin the liar. The enemy. The wretched lying fascist bitch!
Yes, ITW, you imagined Palin as the liar and, as you put it in this very thread, you will “NEVER admit a mistake, NEVER admit you are wrong, NEVER retreat from a position, ALWAYS attack anyone who questions you, and ALWAYS make up “The Big Lie” to attack your opponents”.
Hate is a blinding phenomena. My hope is that others here will witness this and learn from your examples.
Report thisBy LJL, July 17, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment
One of the childish games people play is now being played out by reactionaries in these comments. The game is seen when a child, who was caught doing something nasty, turns around and whines, “No, I’m not YOU ARE!”
So when the NAACP pointed out the obvious that Tea Partiers have a well documented nasty habit of using racist slogans, signs and slanders at their rallies, the Tea Party responded by accusing the NAACP of racism. They dredged up video of some African American street corner loony spouting hatred and use that to imply all people of color are raving racists. By leveling such nonsense, they label themselves as intellectually immature at best, and more likely unconscious racists themselves.
When I was in the South working on voters rights, the Whites there all deni they were racists. On the other hand, they often claimed that we northerners were the real racists. But I doubt there are many Tea Partiers who spent any time in the South working against segregation. Because I suspect the only color they’re deeply concerned about is the bluing on their fire arms.
All the Tea people I’ve met in my neighborhood use overt and covert racist language all the time they are loudly denouncing African American racism. What comes to mind is, “She doth protest too much.”
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 17, 2010 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
“I have not, in any way, defended Sarah Palin. “
And
“In your mind Sarah Palin has lied. “
Add the meaning of “defend” to your “teabagger” dictionary of words you define to mean something nobody else takes it to mean.
If you truly believe both these statements of yours that contradict each other, you are delusional.
If you think you can fool everyone ELSE into thinking they don’t contradict each other, then you are arrogantly thinking you are so much smarter than the rest of us that we are too stupid to see through it.
Or you can admit you HAVE been defending Sarah Palin.
There is no fourth choice.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 17, 2010 at 8:44 am Link to this comment
Go Right Young Man
While you’re waiting for answers to already answered questions; how about responding to this question. Is the mock letter I posted in my recent post an example of Tea Party racism?
The NAACP asked the leaders of the Tea Party to disavow racism in their movement, this Tea Party leader responded with the posted “Mock letter” on his blog. Is this “Mock letter” an example of Tea Party racism?
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 17, 2010 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
ITW,
I have not, in any way, defended Sarah Palin. Although it is clear that you imagine that as well.
The issue is not Palin. The issue is your intolerance of people unlike yourself. The issue now is how very proud you are of this sickening behavior.
Answer the question. Where did you learn that the object of your blinding hatred, Sarah Palin, had claimed that the head of the NAACP called her a racist? Has Ms. Palin actually said this or, did you imagine it through the lens of hatred and heap than into your rationalization as well?
Answer the question.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 17, 2010 at 6:15 am Link to this comment
diamond, July 17 at 4:50 am #
Let’s put it this way ITW: if Katie Couric never does another good deed as long as she lives she has found salvation for the interview she did with Palin. If only she’d been allowed to interview George W. Bush in the same forensic manner before he scammed his way into the Whitehouse, imagine how much suffering, warfare and bankruptcy America could have avoided. The fact that she WAS allowed to do a no holds barred interview proves that most of the establishment thought Palin was a risk and didn’t want her to be VP. The neo cons however, did want her to be VP and will still try to shoehorn her into the job the way they did with Bush as President.
Having been exposed as a complete dummy, religious extremist and a flake I don’t think she has a hope in hell- unless they find a way to rig the election. She’s Bush in a skirt and I can’t think of anything more terrifying than another GWB in the White House, especially if John (bomb, bomb, bomb Iran) McCain was President. Of course the truly terrifying thought is that she might actually run for President this time and get in on Tea Party type voters and a disaffected electorate that doesn’t turn out to vote.
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Bravo, Diamond! We don’t agree on much but on that we certainly do!
GRYM: I will ALWAYS be intolerant of fascists, racists, bigots and those that seek to tear down our liberties in the name “True Americans”. And I’m proud of it.
Sarah Palin didn’t lie “in my mind”. She flat-out deliberately mis-interpreted the statement of Jealous, the head of the NAACP and THEN claimed he accused her of racism. Clearly your definition of “Lie” is as absurd and false as your definitions of “bigot” and “intolerant”. She has lied about so many things and you slavishly defend her because YOU are caught up in “my team is good, your team is bad” and therefore that excuses any excess.
Nor have I defended either those other statements of Melba or Shamir (you must remember I was the first to call out Melba).
You really need to stop bending reality and facts to fit your dogmatic ideology. Your ideology is a total failure. We have seen it destroy the American economy, American industry and American respect around the world since Ronald Reagan first implemented it in 1981, and far more disastrously since GW Bush extended it with the idiotic tax cut in the summer of 2001 that turned the budget surplus into a deficit—even before September 11th.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 17, 2010 at 5:28 am Link to this comment
I hate tea party people, all of them. Every last iota of a tea bagger, I hate them.
Peetawonkus, July 17 at 1:32 am
Once again, to be clear, you have no sufficient answers to my two very basic questions regarding your views.
Next question: How long did you struggle for answers before you realized you had no reasonable way of explaining your bigotry?
Don’t beat yourself up too badly. Nobody else here has, so far, been able to explain it either.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 17, 2010 at 4:58 am Link to this comment
ITW,
What a brilliant rationalization you’ve created. You actually make intolerance appear reasonable. One can easily imagine Melba and Shamir building the very same construct for themselves.
The fact is there is no difference between how you write of Sarah Palin and the Tea party, who are all unlike yourself, as your two contemporaries go on about people unlike themselves. Clear, unabashed, unapologetic, anger and intolerance.
The issue is not Ms. Palin. The issue is your complete and raw intolerance/bigotry toward those unlike yourself. If you insist on making Sarah Palin the issue we can use her as an example of the focus of your hatred.
In your mind Sarah Palin has lied. This, according to your rationalization, allows you to hate her and not tolerate her speaking her mind. Question: Where did you learn that Ms. Palin has stated that the head of the NAACP has accused her of being a racist? Did she actually say such a thing? Or did you construct that “lie” through the lens of blinding hatred? I believe your answer will prove to be very telling.
Report thisBy Wakefield Tolbert, July 17, 2010 at 2:02 am Link to this comment
(Unregistered commenter)
Very predictable.
The author tosses in obligatory “but of course not all Tea Party types are racists” verbiage to make sure that he can point back to that element in the article in the rare event people on the outside world of this lunatic site of conspiracy, constant race-baiting, and anti-capitalism academic Marxian twaddle somehow manages to wiggle to the outside world.
This is akin to saying “we’re not serving up any broad-brush accusations here”, and yet I see a few other commentators just can’t help but insert Rachel Maddow’s and others lurid homoerotic “Tea Bagger” slur and just declare pox on it all for good measure. Interesting. Formerly confined to inner workings of San Francisco bath houses, the “Tea Bag” term make is making the rounds in the Leftosphere’s blogs due to utter inability of the Left to refrain from combining its odd preoccupation with its faux moral outrage with sexual idioms. It won’t take a consultation with the ghost of Dr. Sigmund Freud to figure out there are some deeper issues here with these impudent, hateful crazies on the Left.
No tendentious crap is laid out here, so we are told repeatedly. YET, here come the flies to make sure everyone else knows the Tea Party is indeed racist—and not cuz the smell is all that nice, either.
As to Mark Williams, get a grip.
That Swiftian moment was snarkfest—describing the hapless dependency that lefist government gleefully fosters. Fostering, that is, deliberate program failures designed to make all men putatively “free” in some theoretical paper sense, but in reality traps us all in a type of eternal servitude. Gravitating to the party of dependency and big government, however, minorities are particularly vulnerable to these cycles of dependency. As Mark Steyn noted, however, this can be a lily white phenomenon also, where shrinking demographics among scraggly-necked Brit and German women having one designer kid at age 45 on an ever-increasing welfare paunch/government bureaucracy almost literally speak of a civilizational death knell. Leftism and big government fail us for a host of reasons, but most basically due to the fact that all these delicious hand-outs foster not just dependency, but utter infantilization of the populace away from adult responsibilities regarding family life, and on to mostly visceral, piddling selfish pastimes of trivia and mass culture kitsch and garbage.
As Charles Murray noted, when life is Euro-style welfare state dependence—or marching in that general direction—with little of importance to do other than petitioning government for more benefits all the time, sleeping in late when not, and having someone else’s dime pamper your fanny, the larger questions of life about civic activities, having and tolerating kids vs. comfortable government-undergirded hedonism, raising families, and getting on with what used to be the responsibilities of adulthood—-now almost all outsourced and warehoused to and by the State. The Faustian deal here is that you can no longer stick the bills of this happy fun time from big government to the present, because the role of government is so large it subsumes and consumes everything, including an ever-shrinking fiscal base from businesses buckling under regulation and increasingly punitive confiscatory tax rates. You can’t stick the bills to the future either—at a certain point—fundamentally due the demographic dearth that all social welfare states suffer, you don’t even have one.
So, keep making sure Williams remains a distraction target of ire in a Leftosphere that cannot fathom political fallout from this administration’s statist assumptions, it’s mawkish ignorance of economics in declaring that massive bureaucratic edifices like HCR=“entrepreneurialism”, and it’s sticking of fingers in the ears and claiming not to hear people’s challenges to their ideological orthodoxy.
Report thisBy diamond, July 17, 2010 at 12:50 am Link to this comment
Let’s put it this way ITW: if Katie Couric never does another good deed as long as she lives she has found salvation for the interview she did with Palin. If only she’d been allowed to interview George W. Bush in the same forensic manner before he scammed his way into the Whitehouse, imagine how much suffering, warfare and bankruptcy America could have avoided. The fact that she WAS allowed to do a no holds barred interview proves that most of the establishment thought Palin was a risk and didn’t want her to be VP. The neo cons however, did want her to be VP and will still try to shoehorn her into the job the way they did with Bush as President.
Having been exposed as a complete dummy, religious extremist and a flake I don’t think she has a hope in hell- unless they find a way to rig the election. She’s Bush in a skirt and I can’t think of anything more terrifying than another GWB in the White House, especially if John (bomb, bomb, bomb Iran) McCain was President. Of course the truly terrifying thought is that she might actually run for President this time and get in on Tea Party type voters and a disaffected electorate that doesn’t turn out to vote.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 16, 2010 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment
The following is a mock letter composed by Mark Williams a Tea Party Leader. The mock letter is from Ben Jealous head of the NAACP addressed to Mr. Lincoln.
Tell me this is not an example of Tea Party racism.
“Dear Mr. Lincoln,
We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don’t cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!
In fact we held a big meeting and took a vote in Kansas City this week. We voted to condemn a political revival of that old abolitionist spirit called the ‘tea party movement’.
The tea party position to “end the bailouts” for example is just silly. Bailouts are just big money welfare and isn’t that what we want all Coloreds to strive for? What kind of racist would want to end big money welfare? What they need to do is start handing the bail outs directly to us coloreds! Of course, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is the only responsible party that should be granted the right to disperse the funds.
And the ridiculous idea of “reduce[ing] the size and intrusiveness of government.” What kind of massa would ever not want to control my life? As Coloreds we must have somebody care for us otherwise we would be on our own, have to think for ourselves and make decisions!
The racist tea parties also demand that the government “stop the out of control spending.” Again, they directly target coloreds. That means we Coloreds would have to compete for jobs like everybody else and that is just not right.
Perhaps the most racist point of all in the tea parties is their demand that government “stop raising our taxes.” That is outrageous! How will we coloreds ever get a wide screen TV in every room if non-coloreds get to keep what they earn? Totally racist! The tea party expects coloreds to be productive members of society?
Mr. Lincoln, you were the greatest racist ever. We had a great gig. Three squares, room and board, all our decisions made by the massa in the house. Please repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments and let us get back to where we belong.
Sincerely
Report thisPrecious Ben Jealous, Tom’s Nephew NAACP Head Colored Person
By Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment
Go Right Foolish Man
Report thisFrustrated only in the sense that I attempted to talk to you. Which is like trying argue with a barking dog. It just gives you a sore throat and makes the dog drool more.
By Inherit The Wind, July 16, 2010 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
If you’d like you can explain the difference between what Melba Narberth has written about “black people” and what you’ve written about “tea party people”. Or, for that matter, what King Shamir says about “white people”. Are the differences born from how you empathize with one group but not for the other?
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Are you deliberately being dense? Or are you deliberately trying to obfuscate the issue once again?
I will use simple words. It is wrong to say people are bad because they are Black or White, because if you are Black or White you did not choose to be Black or White.
If you are a tea-party person, you chose to be a tea-party person. You can choose not to be, also.
Choices lead to actions. You can be and should be judged by your actions. Sarah Palin lies. She lied when she said the head of the NAACP called her a racist.
I’m not a bigot for saying she lied. She did.
I’m not a bigot for saying she’s a liar. She is.
I’m not a bigot for judging people by their choices and their actions.
This is about Sarah Palin. She is the face of the TeaParty. Her response to the head of the NAACP was to lie.
Nothing I’ve said is “bigotry”. You play with the meaning of words like Humpty Dumpty with Alice in Wonderland. Everybody who reads what you say when you call me a “bigot” knows it.
Report thisBy elgordo, July 16, 2010 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment
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i just wanted to list a few organizations that are racist… naacp, la raza, mecha, kkk. if you think racial profiling and affirmative action are the same thing go to the head of the class
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
Peetawonkus, - “God, you’re pathetic.”
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You’re frustrated. I understand.
Let us be clear then. You have no answer on two very basic questions regarding your views. Is that correct?
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment
God, you’re pathetic.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment
Peetawonkus,
I believe we can make this easier for everyone if I simply wait for your answers. In this way you can show me how wrong I’ve been.
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—Give us all an example of a grouping of human beings which are unlike another grouping of human beings. Racism and all.
—Would you explain the difference between what Melba writes, what King Shamir speaks, and how you write about tea party people?
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment
My, how philosophical you’ve become. I suppose having an indefensible position makes you believe that the best defense is an aggressive offense. And you are offensive. You people are like pickpockets. When you get caught with your hand down someone’s pants, you point elsewhere and yell loudly, “Thief, thief!” Nobody’s falling for it. Recognizing and calling attention to racism (and the distorted people who perpetuate it) is NOT racism. At it’s very core, the Tea Party is about White Fear.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 4:19 pm Link to this comment
Peetawonkus,
The issue is not whether or not their are people in the Tea Party who are racists. We clearly see that there are. I’m not arguing that the group is not made up of human beings.
I have two of the simplest of questions.
—Give us all an example of a grouping of human beings which are unlike another grouping of human beings. Racism and all.
—Would you explain the difference between what Melba writes, what King Shamir speaks, and how you write about tea party people?
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment
GRYM
So, in essence, what you’re saying is a recap of Groucho Marx: “What are you going believe, me or the evidence of your own eyes?”
You can jabber on all you like. In typical TB fashion you can twist, distort, bait-and-switch, outright lie or deny, deny, deny. But the fact is, that curtain you people try to hide behind is see-through. Right wingers have this amazing ability to say whatever they wish were true, as if nothing they have actually said ever occurred. You do know video and audio recording has captured more than enough evidence of Tea Bagger racism? We read your websites and your blogs. We know what you say. The vile, murderous, racist hatred that pours out of these blogs in on record. You can dodge, duck, weave, bob, dance and prance and tell us that what we’re all seeing isn’t the truth. But I’m not going to help you tell the lies you people to tell to yourselves. You’re going to have to go to your own websites for a heapin’ helpin’ of self-delusion.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/teabagger-mark-williams-says-obama-indo
http://blog.reidreport.com/2010/07/tea-partier-mark-williams-writes-open-letter-to-lincoln-from-the-coloreds/
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 16, 2010 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment
Sarah Palin is a racist, but I believe she lacks the moral sophistication, and intelligence to understand that she is a racist.
Melba is an avowed racist. King Shamir is an avowed racist.
I believe that Go Right Young Man knows in his “heart of hearts” that he is a racist and that he feels his racism is justified. I believe he simply lacks the intellectual honesty to admit it.
I hate to be vindictive, I don’t believe vindictiveness is a characteristic typical of me, but I’m somewhat happy to hear Go Right Young Man is filling {sic} sick. I get a little nauseous every time I read his posts.
Actually, I’m starting to feel a little bit sorry for him. It’s like watching a drunk walk into a wall, get knocked down, get up, walk into the wall again, and get knocked down again, and get up again, and walk into the wall again, and get knocked down again etc.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment
Peetawonkus, July 16 at 4:32 pm
It doesn’t matter where you remember seeing Tea Party people. What matters is how you remember and describe them.
I hate tea party people, all of them. Every last iota of a tea bagger, I hate him.
Same question to you. Perhaps you can explain the difference between what Melba writes, what King Shamir speaks, and how you write about tea party groups of people.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment
“I hate white people, all of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him.”
ITW,
Sarah Palin is not the issue. Intolerance and hatred is the issue.
If you’d like you can explain the difference between what Melba Narberth has written about “black people” and what you’ve written about “tea party people”. Or, for that matter, what King Shamir says about “white people”. Are the differences born from how you empathize with one group but not for the other?
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You may take comfort in the fact that others agree with and think as you do. I find it all the more sad and dangerous.
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment
Yes, misunderstanding is a way of life for you Republicans and Tea Baggers. Here’s what I said: “I remember these fat-assed angry white trash NASCAR thugs from the Town Hall Health Care Debates.” You left out the Town Hall part because, well, that doesn’t make your side look so good. As someone who had these belligerent, corn-n’‘tater fed grade-school drop-out goons who were bussed in on Dick Armey’s corporate dime from out of the district yelling in my face about “Death panels” and Socialism, it may be that my opinion is colored by personal experience. And they were fat-assed, along with the screeching harpies they brought along for wives. Aw, did I just oppress by telling you what I saw? You Tea Baggers, are funny folk. It’s like when Southerners talk about the Civil War as “The War of Northern Aggression.” Now the NAACP, the primary organization for the struggle for civil rights during the last 100 years, is attacked by racists as a “racist” organization. To reason as Tea Baggers do is to stand the world on its head.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 16, 2010 at 11:42 am Link to this comment
GRYM definition of a bigot:
If Sarah Palin lies (which she does just about everytime she opens her mouth or even when she tweets) and I SAY she lies, according to GRYM I am a bigot.
GRYM should start “The Underground Tea-Bagger Dictionary”. Things like “Liberal”, “Democrat”, “Commie” and “Traitor” will all be synonymous.
You get my drift. I’m now “putrid” because I, and many others, can document just how ignorant and hateful Sarah Palin is.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 10:19 am Link to this comment
Peetawonkus, - “GRYM Way to take another quote out of context.”
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Perhaps I misunderstood. You should feel free to explain to everyone here the context in how you “remember these fat-assed angry white trash NASCAR thugs…”
Let us all see you “wiggle”. By all means feel free to explain how you are not being bigoted by treating “fat-ass, white, NASCAR” fans with complete hatred and intolerance.
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment
GRYM
Report thisWay to take another quote out of context. You poor, oppressed white men are good at that. You’re not fooling anybody but yourself. We got your number. You’ve been outed, Jack, and look at you squirm. See ya on the battlefield of that civil war you righties are praying for.
By Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 9:23 am Link to this comment
ITW,,
The putrid hatred you consistently display goes FAR beyond your comments regarding Sarah Palin. The Palin comments were but one example of multiples of dozens I have witnessed first-hand.
You and other outrageous bigots on this Web space obstinately believe that those who fail to see the world as you do are nothing but liars. You simply cannot conceive of others thinking differently. It’s commonly referred to as bigotry. Plain and simple, small-minded, hate-filled bigotry. You spout it almost daily.
I truly hope that one day, in some way, you have your eyes opened to the harm you cause.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 16, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment
GRYM:
You are right again:
I should have described Sarah Palin as a wretched, lying, BIGOTED fascist bitch.
Sorry I left out the fact that she’s a bigot, too.
Wretched: An evaluation on my part
Report thisLying: An accurate description of most of her public statements. They defy reality.
Bigoted: Ask the native-born in Alaska and Latinos about THAT!
Fascist: Check history for fascist movements in Italy, Spain, Germany, Romania, etc. She fits the mold
Bitch: If she isn’t one, no woman alive is one.
By Go Right Young Man, July 16, 2010 at 8:53 am Link to this comment
Peetawonkus,- “I remember these fat-assed angry white trash NASCAR thugs…” <— Simple-minded, hate-filled, intolerant bigotry on display everywhere we find human beings.
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Bigotry: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 16, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment
Inherit The Wind
(Not that it has any importance, but just to set the record straight, the “Melba is toast” comment attributed to me by rico suave was taken from you.)
I can’t speak for you, but I am bigoted where “Wretched lying fascist bitches” are concerned. I openly admit to my bigotry. I’ll suggest that we are all bigoted to one degree or another; some more than others. Not wishing to appear vain, I’ll say that I have devoted much of my philosophical thought over the course of my life to understanding bigotry and racism. The result of my thoughts on this issue is that I am bigot where racists and others are concerned. I believe that Xenophobia, Nationalism, Elitism, American exceptionalism, and Religion, are just some of the examples of belief systems that are injected with bigotry.
Using Go Right Young Man’s definition of bigotry,
“Bigotry: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.”
I disavow hatred, but I am intolerant of the views of those my – informed – opinion tells me are racist and bigoted.
Prejudice
“An unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. Any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. Unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.”
I believe my unfavorable opinion of racists and bigots, is formed beforehand, but not without knowledge, thought, or reason. I do have a preconceived opinion and feeling, which is unfavorable in regard to racists and bigots. I do have hostile feelings and opinions regarding certain national groups, but I don’t believe they are unreasonable.
Racism and bigotry are a very real part of our nation’s current reality and history, and of the current reality and history of the world, but many wish to ignore that fact, and say that racism is a thing of the past, and that any discussion of racism is racist, while they blatantly, and with subtleness, practice racism.
We know that King Shamir demonstrated a racist, psychopathic, and homicidal nature, but his sickness in no way absolves instances of racism.
Go Right Young Man weakly disavowed racism in the Tea Party movement, but claimed that there is no more racism in the Tea Party movement than there is in other areas of society. Clearly Tea Party Racism is a subject for national debate, replete with examples of racism from members of their group, and their de facto spokespersons. I feel confident that Go Right Young Man will claim that pointing out these obvious racist tendencies is nothing more than an attempt to discredit Tea Partiers.
I’ll suggest that we all have racist tendencies regardless of our own particular race or ethnicity. I’ll also suggest that some are more racist than others. I firmly believe that Tea Partiers fall into the more racist category, and that there is evidence a plenty to support my belief.
Report thisThe following comment will illicit a perception of my bigotry to some, but I firmly believe the Tea Partiers have a Nazi like mentality. I’ll go so far as to say that the Tea Partiers are a vanguard movement in a potential future fascist resurgence, and that they are gullible and misguided, as were the “Good Germans” who followed Adolph Hitler.
By Peetawonkus, July 16, 2010 at 8:19 am Link to this comment
There are those on this post, and their minions, who persist in downplaying the racist elements inside the Tea Bagger movement. You know who you are. You can dance and prance all you want but we got your number. You’ve been outed and called—and now look at you squirm. You must think there has never been any photos, video or interviews from your gatherings. You can go to hundreds of “conservative” blogs out there and read for yourselves the vicious, murderous, hate-filled racist rantings that boil over from them everyday. These are people who fall on their knees every night and pray to Jezeez to send them a race war so they can shoot brown people and liberals. The blood lust from the right has reached hysterical proportions. So don’t try to pretend it’s some extreme fringe. I remember these fat-assed angry white trash NASCAR thugs from the Town Hall Health Care Debates. The Tea Bagger movement is the latest surge of the Confederacy, with it yacking about States Rights, non-government intervention and taking “our” country back. A curious lack of browner faces in your “movement”, no? When you embrace a Confederate ideology, is it any wonder you attract white supremacists, John Birchers, Posse Comitatus types, etc.? You can try and push them away but without them you’ve cut the heart out of your corporate sponsored “movement.” You know it and we know it.
Report thisBy rondd5, July 16, 2010 at 7:51 am Link to this comment
yes apparently there is much you don’t understand. The naacp has never, never articulated the quotes you descrbe, (actually I don’t believe anyone has, other than some fox news wet dream)..yet conservatives (as manifested by the klan, the birchers, and yes the tea party has)...want proogf check history as a reference, check the bombing of the four little girls in a church where local “law enforcement” refused to prosecute anyone for over 30 years…check out the history of lynching in this country (see Shewrner, Goodman, and Cheney) in essence it’s necessary to actually know something before you open your mouth…besides what the talking heads on am radio and fox news tell you…
Report thisBy Tobysgirl, July 16, 2010 at 7:48 am Link to this comment
Just glancing at the comments on this page made me sick. I assume what has occurred is that tea party members google tea party and then respond to any articles or essays online.
I can’t believe anyone is stupid enough to roll out that IQ crap. Like some idiot who said Asians are obviously superior to all of us because they score highest. IQ tests have been repeatedly debunked as indicators of intelligence in and of themselves. Some of them have been loaded with highly subjective questions, such as is the girl with kinky hair or the girl with straight hair beautiful.
And before you choose to attack my IQ (and you can say anything you like about me as I’m not returning to this discussion), it’s around 160. My sisters have the same high IQs, and one of them is unbelievably stupid (and an M.D.).
Report thisBy rico, suave, July 16, 2010 at 5:36 am Link to this comment
GRYM:
Well said! Thanks
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 15, 2010 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment
“I hate white people, all of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him.” - “You want freedom? You are going to have to kill some crackers. You are going to have to kill some of their babies.”
I will partially repeat myself. This is the silliest and most extraordinarily myopic article from Mr. Dionne I have ingested to date. I write this in part because I cannot yet grasp why this was worth our time. I cannot yet imagine the reasons for this article.
Mr. Dionne wrote that the Tea Party is not, at its root or in its goals, a racist movement. The narrative seems to be that Sarah Palin and others must denounce elements of racism within the Tea Party. Those calling for this denunciation, as highlighted by E.J. Dionne, is a group who currently have spokespersons and close affiliates who openly and unashamedly spout the most vile, bigoted, and racist things against Hispanics, Asians, Jews and Caucasians. Groups which call for taking all police officers off the streets, brazenly call for the deaths of “Crackers” (white) and, in the name of “justice(?)” advocates killing “cracker” babies.
Someone has lost his bearings. Perhaps it is me. What was the point in writing an article about the NAACP belittling Tea Party protesters for not denouncing “elements” of a handful of small-minded bigots and racists?
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I have a sincere question: Is there anyone here who can point to a group, any group, which does not have elements of bigots and racists amongst those who claim to identify with that group? Any example will do. We can all think on this while asking ourselves, what I think to be, the next obvious question. Why is Mr. Dionne not writing about the NAACP and Black Panther party and their open, blatant, unabashed and extraordinarily racist and violent rhetoric? Or the galling, smack me in the face, hypocrisy in the NAACP calling any ANY other group to denounce racism?
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ITW, “Wretched lying fascist bitch.” <—If that is not clear and raw hatred and bigotry, well, then I fail to understand the definition.
Bigotry: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance.
Excuse me again. I feel ill.
Report thisBy rico, suave, July 15, 2010 at 5:50 pm Link to this comment
JDmystic:
“Melba is toast.”
EXCELLENT!!!
Report thisBy rico, suave, July 15, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment
Melba Narberth:
You need to leave this site. You’re an embarassment. Hitler has NO redeeming qualities.
Report thisBy rico, suave, July 15, 2010 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
ITW:
Whoa, buddy! Slow down. Deep breath. Let’s talk about this.
Report thisBy JDmysticDJ, July 15, 2010 at 3:10 pm Link to this comment
Melba is toast.
Thankfully, there are only a few on this thread who share the views of Melba.
Inherit The Wind’s comments are right on nearly in their entirety. Blatant, and more subtle, examples of racism should be condemned vehemently, and though it is true that the big lie statement was made by Goebbels as an accusation (False as history relates,) against enemies of fascism, it’s also true that the Nazis were the masters of using this technique.
Inherit The Wind missed, when he ignored Go Right Young Man’s tautological accusations of bigotry directed at Eugene Robinson, which are “Tinged with racism,” but he was right on when he pointed out that the article was not about black racism.
Go Right Young Man’s ignoring the point of the article, and bringing black racism into the debate, is a classic example of his obfuscation.
What the article points out is that what the NACCP is asking for, is for people like Go Right Young Man to disavow racists in the Tea Party movement, not to point out that black racism exists, or to point out a false connection between the NAACP and black racists. Go Right Young Man angrily attacks dionne for reporting this request from the NAACP.
A telling point is that this incident involving King Shamir is two years old, but currently, and for the first time, is being broadcast all over the the right wing media. Go Right Young Man is exposing himself as being a mere sycophant controlled by right wing propaganda.
I wonder if Go Right Young Man will publically disavow racism in the Tea Party movement. I’m guessing he will deny such a thing exists.
Report thisBy rondd5, July 15, 2010 at 1:16 pm Link to this comment
...was going to comment but the insipid nitwit comments made by “melba” stand succinctly on their own…
Report thisBy kerryrose, July 15, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment
It is really a wake up call to read Melba’s comments on this thread. I don’t associate with people like that, and so I start to believe that sort of ignorance doesn’t exist.
There is a whole socio-economic world out there, that Melba doesn’t know about or care about. Her worldview is easy and complete.
Unfortunately the country must have lots of these people.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2010 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment
Melba Narberth, July 15 at 3:59 pm #
I don’t have to “say” it or “believe” it, although I’m aware that equality is a belief with no evidence to prove it.
Every IQ test ever devised says it.
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This is why the PhD astronomer who head of the Hayden Planetarium happens to be Black—because he’s so much stupider than this melba toast brain.
Dr. Derrick Pitts, head astronomer at the Philadelphia Planetarium is also Black. He, too, must be much stupider than the toast brain.
A friend is an insanely talented web programmer and one of the nicest guys on the planet. He, too, must be stupider than the toast brain.
The best internist my wife and I ever had (an internist is an MD for geniuses like the toast brain) happens to be Black. The second best was a South African doctor of Indian background—and darker-skinned than many Black people.
IQ tests were devised by White people based on the things THEY took for granted in their lives that nobody thinks about.
Classic example: If a poor Black kid can’t match “Cup” and “Saucer” but the middle class White kid can is the White kid smarter? What if the Black kid never SAW a saucer under a cup in his life? How can that make him “dumber”?
The IQ question is therefore biased in the STATISTICAL sense of the word.
And they cannot be trusted to measure a “race” for intelligence.
Report thisBy kerryrose, July 15, 2010 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment
Melba
Have you never heard of the social and economic and cultural inequalities of the standard IQ test? The test is rarely used for just that reason. If it were George Bush and Sarah Palin—both lower than 100 would not allowed to participate in public discourse.
Someone with a regular IQ can be completely ignorant. What is your IQ?
Report thisBy Peetawonkus, July 15, 2010 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
It’s always interesting listening to the same nearly incoherent lying liars disgrace the pages of TruthDig with a mishmash of nonsense and quotes taken out of context. Face it, righties, you Tea Baggers are racists. You know you are. We know you are. Everybody knows you are. The only people you are lying to are yourselves. On a daily basis TBs speak their hearts to me because they think I’m white and I will agree with them. And because no camera is rolling. Tea Bag Republicans are just the new (old) face of the Confederacy.
Report thisBy kerryrose, July 15, 2010 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment
Wow
This blog brought them out of the woodwork. Melba, your ignorance and hatred is truly frightening.
It looks the NAACP has it right, and everyone suspicions can be confirmed.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment
Melba Narberth, July 15 at 3:24 pm #
“ALWAYS make up “The Big Lie” to attack your opponents.”
Talk about Big Lies! Do you have any idea where that concept originated? It was in “Mein Kampf.” Hitler was NOT endorsing that strategy, although the lie has been repeated so often that people attribute it to Hitler or Goebbels, who never so much as mentioned such a strategy.
No, Hitler was condemning such tactics in the German press at the time. He was in no way endorsing the use of a “Big Lie” to fool the populace. He said that people are likelier to believe a Big Lie because most people are fundamentally honest and couldn’t possibly believe that someone would be brash enough to perpetrate an enormous falsehood.
But you’ve probably heard it falsely attributed to Hitler and fascists—as if they were endorsing this strategy—so many times, you swallowed the Big Lie about Hitler’s Big Lie theory. Good work!
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‘Scuse me, GRYM. I don’t have time to play with you. We have here a TRUE Nazi “apologist” whom I’m guessing will offend you as much as me—and we can be on the same side again.
“The Big Lie” was that Jews were behind all of Germany’s troubles.
“The Big Lie” is that society is divided into races in conflict.
“The Big Lie” was that of those races the “Aryan” race was the leader who developed every progressive thing in the world.
“The Big Lie” was that other races would “pollute” the “Aryan” race.
“The Big Lie” was that Germanic peoples were the “Aryan Race”.
“The Big Lie” was that Germany didn’t lose World War I but was “stabbed in the back”.
“The Big Lie” is that the Nazis didn’t invent “The Big Lie”.
This same poster trots out the well-discounted BS that Blacks consistently score lower on IQ tests and that everyone in Sub-Saharan Africa is poor and living in a hut.
Same old “Aryan Brotherhood” and “NAAWP” racist lies. You can see what’s coming next….
Report thisBy Melba Narberth, July 15, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment
I don’t have to “say” it or “believe” it, although I’m aware that equality is a belief with no evidence to prove it.
Every IQ test ever devised says it.
Report thisBy kerryrose, July 15, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment
Melba,
Did you just say the black people are studpider than white people in your comment.
Shame, shame, Ms Tea Party
Report thisBy Melba Narberth, July 15, 2010 at 11:24 am Link to this comment
“ALWAYS make up “The Big Lie” to attack your opponents.”
Talk about Big Lies! Do you have any idea where that concept originated? It was in “Mein Kampf.” Hitler was NOT endorsing that strategy, although the lie has been repeated so often that people attribute it to Hitler or Goebbels, who never so much as mentioned such a strategy.
No, Hitler was condemning such tactics in the German press at the time. He was in no way endorsing the use of a “Big Lie” to fool the populace. He said that people are likelier to believe a Big Lie because most people are fundamentally honest and couldn’t possibly believe that someone would be brash enough to perpetrate an enormous falsehood.
But you’ve probably heard it falsely attributed to Hitler and fascists—as if they were endorsing this strategy—so many times, you swallowed the Big Lie about Hitler’s Big Lie theory. Good work!
Report thisBy ronman, July 15, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment
>>The Tea Party is a fascist movement and it is a touchstone of fascist movements to
Report thisNEVER admit a mistake,
NEVER admit you are wrong,
NEVER retreat from a position
ALWAYS attack anyone who questions you, and
ALWAYS make up “The Big Lie” to attack your opponents.<<
Since I couldn’t put it any better, I just re-said it.
Thanks InherentTheWind!
By Go Right Young Man, July 15, 2010 at 10:51 am Link to this comment
Oops. Typo. The sentence should have read - I’m feeling rather sickened at the moment.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 15, 2010 at 10:43 am Link to this comment
ITW is spot on correct.
“I hate white people, all of them”, did not appear in the above article.
“Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him” also did not appear in the above article
“You want freedom? You are going to have to kill some crackers” did not appear in the article either.
“You are going to have to kill some of their babies” was missing from the article as well.
Of course the immortal, hate-filled, words “(Palin) Wretched lying fascist bitch” was written into every other paragraph of the above article.
Good thing ITW is here to lend us all some much needed context and visionary insight into who’s words should and shouldn’t be thought of as proper discourse.
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Excuse me while I step away. I’m filling rather sickened at the moment.
Report thisBy Melba Narberth, July 15, 2010 at 10:40 am Link to this comment
If you REALLY want an honest conversation about race, rather than continuing to try and guilt-trip every living white person, how about we start with the fact that blacks worldwide consistently score at the bottom of every IQ test ever devised?
How about we suggest that this fact is in some way related to their “plight”?
How about we trot out the demonstrable fact that their standard of living is far higher in “racist” America than it is anywhere in sub-Saharan Africa?
Let’s face it—the LAST thing you want is a truly honest discussion about race.
Report thisBy driving bear, July 15, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment
Is it just me or did everyone else notice that Mr. Dionne did or could not sight any examples of racism in the tea party.
For example back during the run up to the final health care bill vote some on the left claimed that the chant of “kill the bill” was racist which I totally disagree with.
Also I think the NAACP needs to reread the story of the boy who cried wolf. Because if they make false accusations of racism the public will not believe them when real racism shows up.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2010 at 9:28 am Link to this comment
As usual GRYM sounds off about everything under the sun but what is actually IN the article.
Report thisBy Go Right Young Man, July 15, 2010 at 8:45 am Link to this comment
“I hate white people, all of them. Every last iota of a cracker, I hate him.” - “You want freedom? You are going to have to kill some crackers. You are going to have to kill some of their babies.” - King Shamir
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Mr. Dionne, I have been reading your columns for over fifteen years. This is the silliest, myopic, elitist column I have seen from you. For the first time I am disgusted by your words, agenda, and your faculties.
You have completely ignored incitement to kill white babies. You have ignored the NAACP calling for ridding the streets of police officers. You have ignored Malik Shabazz’s racist and bigoted remarks toward Hispanics, Jews, Asians and Caucasians. You ignore the open and concerted relationship between the NAACP and the “I hate White People” Black Panther party. You ignore the blatant racist remarks of King Shamir and Malik Shabazz to concentrate on the Tea party? You invite an open and unrepentant racist, Malik Shabazz, to comment on Sarah Palin?
Mr. Dionne. You have lost your bearings of late, Sir.
Report thisBy kerryrose, July 15, 2010 at 6:39 am Link to this comment
Thank you NAACP. The new ‘Southern Strategy’ of inciting racial hatred by the use of keywords is still very much in play.
Sarah Palin, the queen of Tea, coined, in her snarky, teenage way, the term ‘community organizer.’ You know, community organizer! The people who try to empower scary black people in the inner city. Ghetto, welfare people, not like real Americans.
Report thisBy balkas, July 15, 2010 at 6:31 am Link to this comment
Looking dwn on people and peaoples is probably 10k yrs old.
Belittlement of people-nature-biota can be much eradicated only via an enlightenment and more equality in earnings.
Lamenting such an event; calling people “racist”, proffers us no vaue of whatever kind.
The fact appears that Palin is not racist; it appears much better to say she became a “racist”.
And the best one cld do is simply to describe what palin has done and how she feels towards low earners.
But dionne never ever elucidates issue of racism; prefers, to get personal; while racism is in all of us.
And as far as i see, one can be racist all one wants—just pay us the same wages as u pay people whom ur not against!
AS i have said discrimination-racism is in all of us, but may thrive more in a particular structure of governance and governing than another.
I do not think that anybody is totaly free of this negative load and which always hurts not only discriminators, but also people who we look dwn on.
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By BarbieQue, July 15, 2010 at 4:58 am Link to this comment
If the dummies can be kept in a perpetual state of hate, and consider their fellow Citizens their enemies, its much easier for the Ruling Elite to rape and pillage and loot the hapless idiots they’ve programmed.
So many play along…(example below)
If this nation was still racist would Barack Hussein Obama have carried Iowa?
One more thing: Has the author even heard the tape of the person that was outside the polling place with a bat? Should we expect a similar column demanding outrage about that? Whaddya say, Cracker?
Beltway Bozos should join a circus before we outsource that. There’s plenty of people qualified to pick up poop.
Report thisBy Inherit The Wind, July 15, 2010 at 3:30 am Link to this comment
The Tea Party is a fascist movement and it is a touchstone of fascist movements to
NEVER admit a mistake,
NEVER admit you are wrong,
NEVER retreat from a position
ALWAYS attack anyone who questions you, and
ALWAYS make up “The Big Lie” to attack your opponents.
We see that Sarah Palin, as the face and de facto leader of the Tea Party, is doing exactly that.
“Get rid of your racist elements” is translated by Palin to “The NAACP is calling me a racist.”
Wretched lying fascist bitch.
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