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Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann says the darnedest things.

By Eugene Robinson

Unemployment is at 9 percent, the housing market is moribund, “consumer confidence” is an oxymoron and three-fourths of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track. So how is it that President Obama leads each of his likely Republican opponents in the polls? And why on earth is the gap widening rather than closing?

It’s simple: Voters are paying attention to what the GOP field is saying—not just the applause-line attacks on Obama but also what the candidates propose to do about the economy. The more they talk, the more discouraged the electorate seems to become.

This should be the Republicans’ election to lose. They seem well on their way.

An NBC-Wall Street Journal poll last week showed Obama beating Mitt Romney—his most formidable opponent—by a 6-point margin, 49 percent to 43 percent. That is not a huge advantage, but the trend is in Obama’s favor. Last month, the same poll had the president leading Romney by just 2 points; in August, Obama was only 1 point ahead.

Surveys show Obama basically wiping the floor with anyone else. A couple of months ago, the GOP was able to take solace in the fact that in a hypothetical matchup between Obama and a generic, unnamed Republican, polls showed the president narrowly losing. But the most recent surveys show that Obama has pulled even with “Not Obama” and perhaps nosed into the lead.

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What the Republican field has utterly failed to do is develop a convincing narrative about the economy. The candidates act as if widespread disappointment with the performance of Obama and the Democrats will be enough to win the election. But voters are being given every reason to suspect that GOP policies will make things worse.

Look at the crisis in the housing market. No economic blow has been felt more widely than the collapse of real estate values, with up to one-quarter of homeowners now “underwater” on their mortgages, meaning they owe more than the property is worth. Banks need to clear a huge backlog of foreclosures, meaning that downward pressure on prices will continue. Banks that once showered consumers with no-questions-asked loans have tightened lending rules to the point where upstanding citizens with only minor blemishes on their credit records are turned away.

The Obama administration’s response has been weak and ineffective. So what do the Republican candidates say? Rather than blast the president for doing too little to help beleaguered homeowners, they blast him for even trying.

This was the consensus view at last Wednesday’s debate in Michigan. Romney said the Obama administration has tried to “hold off the foreclosure process, the normal market process,” and he promised that if elected he would do “almost the exact opposite of what President Obama has done.”

Asked if he would just let foreclosures proceed, no matter the impact, Romney answered with a question: “Exactly what would you do instead? ... Have the federal government to go out and buy all the homes in America? That’s not going to happen in this country. Markets work.”

Obama has been criticized for being cool and unemotional, but Romney makes him seem volcanic. You can imagine the former governor putting his arm around a homeowner who has just been evicted and saying, “Don’t cry. Markets work.”

The point isn’t that Republicans are lousy at feeling your pain. We knew that. It’s the policies that matter—and Republican candidates are offering nothing new.

Their prescription for the ailing economy is familiar: tax cuts and deregulation. Nobody likes to pay taxes, and nobody enjoys having to follow a bunch of rules, but people aren’t stupid. They do recall that we tried these measures under George W. Bush and ended up with a crisis that almost plunged us into a second Great Depression.

According to polls, voters agree with the Democrats on major issues such as ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and preserving Social Security and Medicare. They agree with Republicans that the government should spend less, but seem increasingly doubtful that any of the GOP candidates would trim the budget in an intelligent and compassionate way.

Michele Bachmann’s call to make Obama “a one ... term ... president!” doesn’t automatically get the big response it used to. Simply being Not Obama isn’t enough. The Republican candidates are trying to sell a bunch of old trickle-down economic policies without even dressing them up in new rhetoric, and it looks to me as if voters aren’t buying.


Eugene Robinson’s email address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
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By drbhelthi, November 27, 2011 at 1:05 pm Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“I apologize for my disrespect.”

Any “disrespect” you showed simply displayed your genuine values.  It reflects
you, not me.

John Stockwell reported that GHWBushSr, sent condolences to remaining family
members of persons whom he had CIA agents assassinate.

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By Shenonymous, November 27, 2011 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

Babble on drbhelthi - “Similar to your opinion of everyone
who disagrees with your shortsightedness, and support of the
GHWBushSr-Obama entourage.”
  You will provide some of
these opinions I have of “everyone who disagrees with me” right? 
Your pomposity is only exceeded by your hubris.  Oh god, those
are both incurable diseases just like warts.

Did you know there is a Batman character called The Babbler? 
Starrrrriinnnggggg…. drbhelthi!!!  hahaha  

Good morning drbhelthi.  Have another babblingly good day.

I apologize for my disrespect.

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By drbhelthi, November 27, 2011 at 4:18 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“Your intuition seems severely flawed, drbhelthi.”

Certainly.
Similar to your opinion of everyone who disagrees with your shortsightedness, and
support of the GHWBushSr-Obama entourage. 

“It was a matter of hasty reaction on my part. “
“I don’t pretend to represent Truthdig.”
“Far from it, I am a rare species called the Centrist Liberal.”

Rare species? 
Hardly.  Your blogs are neither “centrist” nor “liberal”.  Your “word soup” is
incredibly common to opinions that consistently support the alias, “Barack Hussein
Obama,” whose entourage continues the GHWBushSr nihilism, which is dissolving
the middle class and the United States of America, and the Republic for which it
stands, while attempting to overtake the world.

However, each of us is entitled to ones opinion. 
On Truthdig, anyway.
Currently, at least.

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By Leefeller, November 26, 2011 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

All you damn morons out there, I know you out number me by a large margin, but only in youse mind, or what substitutes for one.

Vote third or forth even fifth party, the concern in me eye is just for youse!


Don’t ignore the Republicans message if you can find one, but it don’t matter no how, only because that Uppity Obama must get voted out of office no matter by hook or crook!

After eight years of Bush and four years of Obama, I want a real change so pick one of the Republican candidates, anyone, so we can get more superb justices in office like the Long Dong Sliver guy whose wife has her own Tea Party grope.  The world sucks, so lets keep it that way where corporations are people and money talks!

Vote Black and Blue, vote Green and Red, vote pink and purple, like I give rats ass,  because you surly don’t, you dang Republicans/Tea Bags in Drag!

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By Shenonymous, November 26, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

A long journey always starts with a first step.  Your intuition
seems severely flawed, drbhelthi.

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By drbhelthi, November 26, 2011 at 9:43 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
” Against much Israeli anger, the release of Gilad Schalit in October as a
swap for 1027 Palestinian political prisoners went ahead anyway and was a
huge step and seems to me in the right direction. “
          “Don’t you also think so?”

To which of the five ideas do you refer?
Considering the thousands of years of hate between the two clans ?
Considering that Israel continues to destroy Palestinian property with the
Palestinians still on it, while the “Obama entourage” distracts ?
While “Obama´s entourage” continues the GHWBushSr entourage´s artificial
war on terror, with additional violations of the U.S.Constitution ?
While “Obama´s entourage” continues to spout with great oratory what the
99% want to hear, while doing what the 1% want done ?
Within the context of your projection, the accusatory idiocy ?

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By Shenonymous, November 26, 2011 at 9:14 am Link to this comment

Cutting out or cauterizing a wart is not curing it.  It is a way to get
rid of a pathological condition that is f’sure, and maybe that is what
needs to happen to you! But your complaint is well taken about my
logic.  The 244 legislative actions that Obama had passed so far was
extremely hard won, so while true it took the Republican Congress
to pass them, he gets all the credit to rally the Democrats and the
Republicans get very little and that does not nullify the perception
that they are the annihilators, butchers, generally the fuckups in
government.

It was a matter of hasty reaction on my part.  I don’t pretend to
represent Truthdig.  Far from it, I am a rare species called the
Centrist Liberal.  As such I expect poison darts from both left and right
fringies. 

I have no loyalties to Israel nor its emblematic American lobby.  Using
your own antisepticism of logic, seeing a problem does not mean one
takes a particular side, although a side may be taken on certain issues. 
I have stated what I perceive to be Israel’s right to exist as a sovereign
nation.  I am very well aware that it’s history is debatable.  The fact is
because it is debatable nothing is settled.  As only a member of the
audience of world events, only an observer, I have determined from
my own research it has that right.  That does not say anything about
the Palestinians’ right to a country of its own.  I support that idea as
well, as all people who think they are oppressed has the right to
collective react as a society.  How that occasionally acute but chronic
problem is resolved is not up to me, except that it should be resolved
sooner than later to avoid any further bloodshed and suffering.  I hold
the belief that the Arab empire should have given a parcel of land from
their millions of square miles to the Palestinians a half a century ago and
by this time in history, they would have had a thriving nation instead of
the strife they have had to suffer lo these many decades.  It was not in
the cards for the Palestinians because in reality, as per historical record,
as a discrete people they were not considered important enough to the
rest of the Arab empire.  Moreover, the Arab dominion had more in mind
to decimate Israel for a number of reasons, which would be a topic for
another time, not this forum, unless you want to highjack it for your own
egotistical pontifications. 

I have expressed these sentiments many times on the Truthdig forums,
and not with irrational emotional reaction by Palestinian sympathizers. 
Even received death threats when I suggested Palestinians take some
responsibility for their own status, and now I claim redemption as it
looks as though they actually are doing that with their direct appeal to
the United Nations and it might even happen that they will achieve their
deserved nationhood should Netanyahu and his gang be replaced by a
more reasonable Israeli government.  Against much Israeli anger, the
release of Gilad Schalit in October as a swap for 1027 Palestinian political
prisoners went ahead anyway and was a huge step and seems to me in
the right direction. Don’t you also think so?  http://tinyurl.com/cyo6omn

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By drbhelthi, November 26, 2011 at 3:59 am Link to this comment

@shenonymous
“Do we have to teach you - - “
“We” ?                                                                           
Obviously, it is necessary to inform you that being assigned by your supernumerary to “occupy” Truthdig is not the same as representing Truthdig.  Assumed superiority, which seems to be associated with homage to the Israeli flag at the AIPAC flagpole, and an extensive facility with “word soup” does not qualify anyone to teach psychology.
 
Teach me about viruses?  No thanks, disinformation does not work.  If viruses could not be overcome, none of us would be present to blog to Truthdig.  A wart can be killed with one application of a certain type of electronic, hand-held device, that altruistic physicians used until about 1985.  Around that time, genuine, healthy practices, with no unfavourable side-effects, began to be suppressed.  Which practice has developed into AMA policy, bribed by the pharma industry, and enforced by the FDA and the CDC. 

However, reps of both have accidentally admitted that “inoculation” does not work,  which altruistic physicians and naturalists have always known. Nor is there ANY EVIDENCE that gardasil prevents anything, while inflicting paralysis and death. JING, JING for pharma and quasi-physicians, while pursuing population reduction. 

Trumpeting that “Obama” has passed 244 legislative actions through congress, which you allege are beneficial for “Americans”, while blogging that, “The fact that Republicans’  every act is to annihilate, butcher, massacre, obliterate every single legislative action Obama has put to the Congress- -“ is somewhat antithetical. 
Neither of which postulate contains the truth.

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By BR549, November 24, 2011 at 9:04 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthi, November 23 at 2:42

I guess we can also see what Obama’s plans had been by the appointments he has made; Napolitano’s inane insistance of squeezing testicles, groping screaming babies and wheelchair-bound octagenarians at the airport, Holder’s lying through his teeth about not knowing anything about Operation Fast and Furious (where the Feds knowingly supplied not a mere 2,000, but some 30,000+ weapons to the Mexican drug cartels, with a number of our Border Patrol agents being killed as a result), Cass Sunstein’s totally bizarre understanding about the relationship between natural and enumerated rights under our own Constitution, and then there’s Robert Rubin’s dysfunctional proteges Larry Summers and Timmy Geittner and their part in the banker bailout. Throw in the continual assault on the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 9th, and 10th Amendments under this administration and its clear why we are headed faster into the toilet, despite all the hooplah about this being a “progressive” administration.

And as if that wasn’t enough, look at our foreign policy. The United Nations now owns our very own Grand Canyon and the majority of our fighting age men and women are being intentionally maneuvered out of the country for when the SHTF, and ..... where exactly has Obama tried to explain all this to the American people except to make excuses for it or blame it on Republican opposition? I know you get it, but some folks still think their favorite Republican or Democrat candidates are going to pop up and miraculously change the system they’ve become all too accustomed to and save us from all this madness. Like the moon is made of green cheese and Clinton had a surplus.

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By Shenonymous, November 23, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

Perception is everything, and a wart is a wart is a wart, by any
other name is still a wart.  Do you deny a wart is a virus and
viruses are incurable.  Do we have to teach you about viruses? 
Good grief, get a grip. 

Partisans will see the world from their own perspective, as a
psychologist you should know that.  Do we have to teach you
your own profession too? 

Time to leave this going-nowhere circulus in probando forum. 
Havana nice day.  Ciao.

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By drbhelthi, November 23, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

@Shenonymous
“Visit these sites and you will find 244+ pieces of legislation that testifies to Obama’s successes. “

What you label as Obama successes, others label as insults to the U.S. Constitution,
and the history of the U.S. of A.  Obviously, you support CIA-type disinformation, and are an Obama shill.  Your presumed knowledge of warts is as shortsighted as your support for the Obama entourage. Your repetitive congratulating yourself for being you fits you right in with the Obama entourage, and the falsified history the CIA and the Ford Foundation contrived about Miss Ann Dunham and her son.

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By Shenonymous, November 23, 2011 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthhi - you are wart-like LOL   Warts are viral and incurable.

Visit these sites and you will find 244+ pieces of legislation that
testifies to Obama’s successes.  I don’t really care if you believe it
or not, the recipients of his positive works know it and they are the
ones who will vote for him.  Hopefully you will cease and desist, but
if not, well, me, myself, and I are in residence here. I yam tenacious.  Right Popeye? 
Right, Shenonymous.

http://3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/

http://www.politicususa.com/en/maddow-obama-agenda

http://www.jackandjillpolitics.com/2010/10/president-obamas-244-accomplishments-part-4/

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By drbhelthi, November 23, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

@Shenonymous
” I could spend the day listing the positive things he has done.”

If you were to be specifically accurate, it might take ten seconds, rather
than a day.  Ignoring the amplification of the Patriot Act, you disqualify all
the fantasy creations you classify a “positive things.”

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By Shenonymous, November 23, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

I think, BR549, November 23 at 6:13 am – you are among those
who search for gods.  Obama is not the US Government, nor a god. 
He is one third of a very nasty government that has a hegemony of
an Ultra-Right-Wing Conservative Congress who obstructs justice,
a Supreme Court who obstructs justice, it is Sisyphusian for a liberal
President to effect any change to the Nazi-based (thank you Mike
Godwin) government.  We see this liberal President writhed to get
anything passed, but he has passed and signed into law much law
he is not given credit for.  In spite of the Republican campaign to
stop his every move, he has accomplished 85% of his first term agenda
in 2 years in office
      http://www.politicususa.com/en/maddow-obama-agenda
and that does not count what he’s effected this year!  An economic
stimulus that was possible with the lopsided Congress, a health care
program that covers millions of Americans who otherwise would have
none, neither of these legislations are perfect but what can be perfect
with an entrenched Republican contingent in Congress? 

I am happy with his support for the arts.  Besides he pardoned two
turkeys, Liberty and Peace!  And I am happy and so are they for his
support of jobs for returning Veterans, signing (albeit through the
backdoor of executive order) the Dream Act, his historic legislation
battle about deficits and debt, that passed and signed into law in the
face of one-track Republicans who at the time wanted as a distraction
only to talk about jobs, but when push came to shove they hypocritically
themselves had no viable jobs plan. Obama also signed this year
legislation to increase the nation’s borrowing authority and avert a
potentially catastrophic government default.  He also signed legislation
renewing the landmark Combating Autism Act for another three years,
assuring continued federal support for critical autism research, services
and treatment.  I could spend the day listing the positive things he has
done.

Our Sisyphus is learning, though, how to get rid of that rock the
Republican Gods of Destruction put on his back and how to twist political
arms. The American people will have their voice and throw the Nazis out
of office when election time comes. 

drbhelthi asks absurd rhetorical questions.  And yes, libertarians are
Republicans with a ridiculous extreme anti-government mask on that
has no opening for eyes to see the reality of the need for government. 
You yourself should check to see who has systematically choked off fair
and just governance.

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By David J. Cyr, November 23, 2011 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Thomas A. Anderson should consider changing doctors wink

Dr. Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

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By BR549, November 23, 2011 at 6:13 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, November 23 at 1:36 am
“However, the Dem party has not altered the NAZI course.  WHY NOT ?”

Bingo, and that is what arm chair liberals can’t seem to fathom in their condemnation of any other party but their own. Obama is not liberal, he’s a corporatist; something I sadly didn’t learn about until after I had voted for him.

I have no love for any party or any individual; that includes Ron Paul. I don’t agree with his abortion stance, but he is at least correct in stating that the convenient excision of a fetus does not properly allow for the hormonal down-regulation that would occur after a natural full-term pregnancy. Personally, while I prefer to be Pro-Life, I still support a woman’s right to choose because our culture has not matured enough to move beyond that point. Ideally (and I say, “ideally”) perhaps, someday, our culture would have everyone behaving more responsible about their procreations. We then wouldn’t NEED to have abortions. But I’m not holding my breath on that one, and until such time as we are able to mature that necessary amount, I will continue to support Roe v. Wade. This is where I disagree with Paul, although I still respect his views.

Shen,
“Those who worship at the altar of Ron Paul are libertarians and not liberals.  Libertarians are Republicans with a little different mask on. Libertarianism is not an ideology for the health and welfare of the people.”

Libertarians are NOT Republicans with a different mask, as you suggest, just as assuming Obama is functioning as a liberal or Newt is a Republican. Both of those characters, as well as both their disgusting entourages, have deviated so far from the parties’ philosophical ideals that the only way to describe them both is as two competing wings of a fascist party. ...... And they ARE having a party with our tax dollars.

As drbhelthi had asked, why then hasn’t Obama been able to alter the Nazi course? It isn’t because of Republican opposition; not when the list of Obama’s Executive Orders keeps GHWB smiling at night. This has been a tag-team race between corporate run political parties with a sick agenda that goes back many decades and, in the end, if you want to see where the problem lies, look to see who has continually voted against and violated our Constitution. THAT is way nothing has been changing for the better, because they have no allegiance to this country any more.

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By drbhelthi, November 23, 2011 at 1:36 am Link to this comment

@Shenonymous, et.al.
“Libertarians are Republicans with a little different mask on. Libertarianism is not
an ideology for the health and welfare of the people.”

Since “libertarians” have not ruled USGOV in recent history, no one knows how
such an entourage would pan out in actual practice, in today´s world. 
Suppressive predictions are simply disinformation, C.I.A.-type info.

Overlooking the established history of the current administration, especially that of
the alias, “Barack H. Obama,” in order to proclaim it to be marvelously favorable,
and worthy of repetition, is worse than stupid.  It is gullibly stupid.

Overlooking the established history of Dr. Ron Paul, in order to assign the
>prediction< of evil to the governance of his entourage, should he be elected, fits
in perfectly with the NAZI plan that has been quarterbacked by the G.H.W.BushSr
entourage.  Which, is the reason for the Zionist Scherff family Home Page having
omitted Dr. Ron Paul from its listing of Rep candidates.  All others can be jockied
around to fit the desires of the Zionist-NAZI-GHWBushSr entourage.  Which, has
happened with their listed candidates, which some of us have observed for longer
than one year. 
But, not Dr. Ron Paul.  He remains constant. 
The only candidate with a supportive political history.  The singular candidate.

The Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement is a wonderful pledge to the
United States of America and the Republic for which it stands.  Sad that neither
the Rep nor Dem parties have held themselves to either of the individual pledges
that make up the whole.

History indicates that the Dem party did not initiate the NAZI underpinnings that
have falsely-steered USGOV since the Rep party- and USGOV- were overtaken by
the Zionist/NAZI/GHWBushSr entourage with their tool, the C.I.A.  The C.I.A.,
organized in 1947 by NAZI SS General Reinhard Gehlin, commissioned by the
Dulles brothers.
However, the Dem party has not altered the NAZI course.  WHY NOT ?

How long until the sadenning prediction of “AngelGabriel” is enacted, and U.S.
inhabitants with the capability will flock to the exits, but all exits will be sealed,
and the 99% will be picked off by list, Red, Blue, Yellow ?  Unless the sworn
“agents” of the U.S.A. unite and do their patriotic duty, with support of genuine
Americans.

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By David J. Cyr, November 22, 2011 at 3:08 pm Link to this comment

Well, the difference between the corporate party’s Republican and Democrat faction voters is that the Republican faction’s voters honestly vote directly for the corporate person policies, while the Democrat faction’s voters dishonestly vote indirectly for Democrats to deviously provide whatever Republicans desire.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By Shenonymous, November 22, 2011 at 2:15 pm Link to this comment

oddsox, et al - re:  Jill Stein, don’t hold your breath.  And as
far as Obama the maniac, well, it is the age of maniacs.  The Dems
obviously need one too, though I don’t think Obama is one of them.

I heard the non-resonant, scrawny-voiced Ron Paul the other
morning.  The following is his disqualification to be POTUS. 
He should not even be a member of Congress.

He wants no impediments to free trade.  He is against regulations, 
against protectionism, the economic policy that restrains trade between
nations through methods such as tariffs on imported goods, restrictive
quotas, and a variety of other government regulations, you know,
specifically designed to permit fair competition between imports
and goods and services produced domestically that would support
more production, you know, create jobs in America.

As a perfect Tea Party Conservative Republican Libertarian who wants
to abolish all taxes, he would never vote for a tax increase on the upper
1% who exploits everyone, which leaves the welfare of this country in
their toilets.  All social programs would come to a bloody halt. That is,
ALL social programs.  He wants to reduce if not completely remove
capital gains and dividends taxes.  He voted yes to eliminate the Estate
Tax (you know, the death tax as Republicans love to call it) that would
gradually reduce revenue by $185.5 billion over 10 years with a repeal
of the estate tax this year.

He thinks abortion is murder and does not support women’s right to
their bodies.  Wants to overturn Roe v. Wade.  Does not believe civil
rights was about racism but rather was about property!  And voted in
his residency in Congress that there should be no affirmative action for
any group, black, immigrants, gay, or women.  He supports DOMA and
has voted to protect the institution of marriage between men and women
but inconsistently voted to not Constitutionally define marriage as
one man one woman.  Supported “Don’t ask, don’t tell” for gays in the
military and does not support gender equal pay as a violation of a free
society.  He voted on an amendment banning adoptions in District of
Columbia by gays or other individuals who are not related by blood or
marriage. 

He voted against action to amend the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 to
provide shareholders with an advisory vote on executive compensation
[and as part of that process, fully disclosing executive compensation]. 
Salaries of corporate executives is an obscenity.

Paul adopted the Republican Liberty Caucus Position Statement:
  As adopted by the General Membership of the Republican Liberty
Caucus at its Biannual Meeting held December 8, 2000:
  WHEREAS libertarian Republicans believe in limited government,
individual freedom and personal responsibility;
  WHEREAS we believe that government has no money nor power not
derived from the consent of the people;
  WHEREAS we believe that people have the right to keep the fruits of
their labor; and
  WHEREAS we believe in upholding the US Constitution as the supreme
law of the land;
  BE IT RESOLVED that the Republican Liberty Caucus endorses the
following [among its] principles:
  Every American has the right to keep and bear arms. We affirm our
support for the second amendment of the US Constitution.
  All people, regardless of position in the public or private sector,
should be held equally accountable under the law.
  The “only” litmus test for Supreme Court or other judges should be
their determination to accurately interpret, not amend, the Constitution.
Judges have “no” authority to make new law.

Those who worship at the altar of Ron Paul are libertarians and not
liberals.  Libertarians are Republicans with a little different mask on.
Libertarianism is not an ideology for the health and welfare of the
people.

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By David J. Cyr, November 22, 2011 at 1:00 pm Link to this comment

While I definitely won’t be voting for him, I think an independent Ron Paul campaign would be a good thing, serving to balance the ballot in a way that might possibly reduce the malevolent corporate party loyalist liberals’ 2012 “wasted vote” campaign of voter suppression.

Ron Paul’s loyal following has been largely due to his apparent opposition to war, which, like Kucinich does with liberals, provides a contrarian positioned corporate compliant candidate to keep antiwar conservatives voting for Republicans.

While, like Kucinich, Ron Paul doesn’t have the really BIG corporate money funding his “antiwar” corporate party (R) primary campaign, he does have some very peculiar MIC member Top Funders. 10 of Ron Paul’s Top 20 funders are integral members of the Military Industrial Complex (some contributions possibly benignly intended, others not possibly so):

US Army
US Air Force
US navy
Boeing
IBM
US Government
Northrup Grumman
Lockheed Martin
US Dept of Defense
United Technologies

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=N00005906

A friendly warning for Ron Paul independent campaign devotees: The “antiwar” Obama maniac liberal votes only opposed “dumb” wars, and not those that their “smart” votes made “necessary” wars. The “antiwar” Ron Paul voters may end up only voting against “foreign” wars. As both oil and water become scarcer, and the consequences of accelerating climate change becomes far more violent, the Pentagon will be refocusing its efforts, to include domestic deployments. With robots rapidly replacing soldiers, We The [expendable over indebted consumer society] People may well become the uber-militarized Corporate States of America’s primary target.

Note: Here in New York State, the National Guard (what the POTUS and Governors call upon to suppress serious citizen revolt) is now being trained in the use of drone aircraft.

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By BR549, November 22, 2011 at 10:28 am Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, November 22 at 6:14 am
“1) The (D)epraved & (R)etrograde team (Redux).....”

“3) Ron Paul: the choice for people who want no government at all… a return to medieval times, with gold hoarding warlords and roving bands of weapon brandishing brigands having their way with impoverished peasants.”

Just when I was starting to chuckle about your Part 1, then I had to read Part 3. David, c’mon, do you even know about the states’ rights issues? Actually, they aren’t rights so much as they are powers, since it was the “marriage” of the states through the Constitution that gave any powers to the federal government at all. The only problem we have is that the covert banking interests left over from control by the British Crown kept gnawing away at the weak-minded within our own legislature and what we have today is nothing more than a corrupt federal mafia under globalist control.

To even suggest that Ron Paul believes in “no government” means that you have absolutely no idea what he espouses; not even an inkling. Rather, I would refer you to why Gravel, Kucinich, Nader, Barr, McKinney, and others were so summarily discharged from the 2004 debate stage and it wasn’t because of any weak messages on their part. None of them would support NAFTA; that treasonous,
manufacturing base crippling, New World Order disease that both Bush AND Clinton so easily signed us up for.

Some of these newer candidates, like Stein, no doubt have higher visions for our government and our country, but we aren’t going anywhere until we start to address what went wrong and so far the majority of this new raft of candidates has only managed to buy shiny new American flag lapel pins.

If you want to see where the problem is, look for those legislators who remain mute on the Patriot Act, adoption of the TSA and raiding Amish farmers for selling raw milk. You can also look at those legislators who either endorsed or turned a blind eye to adoption of the United Nations owning our National Parks and the progressive transfer of our homeland water rights to European companies. I mean, when a country can’t even own the water on their own sovereign soil, who has been selling this country down the river? Our legislature, because none of this could have happened without their approval.

Do you think Stein is ready to address the intentional sabotage of our economy or the coverup behind our 9/11 investigation? The bankers withdrew the money supply in the late ‘20s and now that most of the people who were around then are dead, it’s time for the next round. As far as Ron Paul, he’s about as conservative as one is going to get in addressing these issues without being labeled a conspiracy theorist.

I will sum this all up with the comments made to me by two elderly German ladies on separate occasions on different dates back around 2006. They both asked why we couldn’t see what was happening in this country. It was the same incremental takeover of their government that took place in Germany during the late 1930’s.

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By oddsox, November 22, 2011 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

@Shenonymous:  An Obama landslide, you say? 
Quite bold, your prediction with over 11 months to go. 
But you’ll get first kudos if it happens. 
I say it’s much too soon, the Presidential field looks like “Weak vs. Weaker.”

Last Sunday Ron Paul headlined Face the Nation w/Bob Schieffer who tried repeatedly and unsuccessfully to put words in Paul’s mouth. 
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7388970n&tag=contentMain;contentBody

Dr. Jill Stein needs exposure.  A 50-state campaign & appearances on TV. 
Some TruthDiggers dislike the medium, but it is still the #1 news source for likely voters. 
If she were to get on the same debate floor with Obama and the Repub challenger, it would be a coup for her and the Green Party. 
Barring that, an appearance on Meet the Press or Face the Nation would be huge.
If that’s too much to ask, then try the cable talking heads like Maddow & O’Reilly, Matthews & Hannity. 
Hostile territory at Fox, but exposure is what she needs—worth the risk.
And for starters, maybe a shot on shows w/ the outliers like Chris Hayes or, better yet, Keith Olbermann.  They’ll give her time and support.
She has no chance to win, but can sow seeds now for 2016.  Touring college campuses and posting on YouTube won’t be enough.

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By Leefeller, November 22, 2011 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi,

The crook has been by here several times, we used to have tea and crumpets back then,  until I made him take a urine test, he seemed upset when I did not agree with his opinions on the grassy knoll and 911, I find them a bit on the deluded side, but the space alines we agreed on. 

I suspect the crook is a Republican in drag, I have not seen him for awhile now. Last time he came by he seemed to be frustrated because I did not stop cutting wood like a crazy man with my 40 inch a chain saw and he seemed to have a problem with me wearing my hockey mask?I I don’t think he likes Credence either, because when I am in chain saw mode I have my outdoor PA system playing a bit louder, just so I can hear it over the chain saw.

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By David J. Cyr, November 22, 2011 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Corporate party operatives, like (D) devious avatar thing that is most appropriately an ancient pottery representation of a siren (a mythological half-human creature that seduced sailors to steer their ships onto rock and ruin) will desperately seek to persuade people to only vote for the corporate party’s dedicated to deviousness candidates — so that whether its retrograde Republicans popular mandate supported, or depraved Democrats, we’ll all get bat shit crazy corporate party policies either way… again.

Anyone actually wanting anything resembling democracy to possibly develop (an idea that Democrats abhor) wouldn’t ever be worried about people having non-corporate choices on ballot (real choice being something Democrats fiercely oppose).

In 2012, we can expect to have at least 3 choices on ballot for POTUS (a position being a proxy indicating the popular approved direction).

The 3 Choices we can expect on ballot:

1) The (D)epraved & (R)etrograde team (Redux): the corporate party collaborator choice for continuing the continuum of evil, with corporate party Republican and Democrat voters voting together for government of, by, and for the thieving banksters; for perpetuation of profits from perpetual war crimes, for sicker insurance profits from greater denial of care; for financing factory farmed faux “food” industries eliminating family farms; for Halliburton’s fracking to maintain our dependence upon fossil fuel extraction to hasten our extinction. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWLBljvEG-M

2) Jill Stein: the choice for people who want this sick society to begin to heal itself, and attempt to have a government that actually produces some good… a government seeking to provide a future worth having for future generations. http://www.jillstein.org

3) Ron Paul: the choice for people who want no government at all… a return to medieval times, with gold hoarding warlords and roving bands of weapon brandishing brigands having their way with impoverished peasants. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqQXC8Tv8U

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By drbhelthi, November 22, 2011 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

@Leefeller
Guard your identity - if possible - else the crook will send a TSA lab-
on-wheels to your home, require you under the TSA-Homeland
Security fraud, to submit to a urine test for illegal drugs - by his private
organization, and then, charge you for it.

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By Shenonymous, November 21, 2011 at 10:48 pm Link to this comment

The Republicans are a hateful deranged group who would
protect the hundreds of billions of dollars in the pockets of the
Corporatocrats and Wealthy and leave millions of the American
people scrambling for jobs, housing, food, and health care.

It won’t matter what Ron Paul does. He was not acceptable before
and he won’t be again. He is not a real threat. Libertarians are not
any more acceptable in a position of political power than any
Republican.  There is hardly any difference. He is an old crank
patriarch of the Tea Party.  Ordinary people, average people, would
prefer the altruism of a Bernie Sanders.  The spiral is a result of the
greedy intractabililty of the members of the Republican Party who
allowed a non-Congressional, unelected individual, therefore not a
man of the people, Grover Norquist, of the Sturmabteilung, a
Stormtrooper of the Financial Empire to dictate to Congress what is
their obligation to the 1% tribe of money elites.  The exposure of their
intentions is now out and in the public consciousness.  A Republican,
Ron Paul is part of the Wealthy, a man with a casket full of Krugerrands
who promotes a return to the gold standard.  Imagine what value his
gold would have were that to happen?  Where does he keep his gold?
  In a bank?  Or a wheelbarrow?  hahaha We should also wonder
what he did with the money he had left over from his 2008 run?  He no
doubt put it into those South African gold coins!  His motives are as
transparent as glass.  But that is just one item of his agenda that is
offensive.  Because he speaks a little differently than his crony
Republicans doesn’t mean liberals such as Paul Krugman, didn’t also
predict the economic problems that came down the pike.  It’s all in
what kind of spectacles one wants to look through.

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By Leefeller, November 21, 2011 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

All I see are these constant pipe dreams, only if we had this person as president, ...wow things would be so different, well as She mentions, the two party system will make sure a third party premier Donna will be drawled and quartered, now that I think on it quartered is 25 percent which exceeds congress by a nice margin, Congress happens to be sitting at 9 percent in the popularity list, maybe a bit higher then the ass hole governor in Florida!

Silly me!

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By BR549, November 21, 2011 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

Shen,
If Ron Paul runs into any flak, he’ll go to the Libertarian Party or may even run as an Independent. If nothing else, he’s at least using the Republican platform to stay in the major running. For anyone to assume that he is part of the Republican problem is absurd. As it stands now, he must be a real threat, since he is still winning straw polls and the corporate media keeps trying to avoid him ..... as they have been dutifully ordered to do so.

I really don’t care who gets in office. I mean I’m not going to pretend that only MY candidate (whoever that turns out to be) can be the only sane one on the debate floor, but we really need to get out of this conspiratorial downward spiral that the current two party system has us in. I mean, why have so many of our National Parks been turned over to the United Nations? Why are so many of our fighting age men and women been intentionally deployed overseas as the sh*t get ready to hit the fan over here? Which one of our two-faced flag waiving congresspeople actually voted to allow these to happen? I can guaranty you that it wasn’t the Green or Independent parties, and I won’t be so stupid as to think that either half of that two headed hydra we currently have will ever develop a conscience.

As we approach the finish line this time next year, hopefully, we can get enough of these alternative candidates to lighten up on their ego massaging and start encouraging their followers to vote for their other non-duopoly candidate brethren. Unless that is done, and as long as they continue to sit on the sidelines assuring themselves that only they had been given divine inspiration to run for office, the race will have long since passed them by and the American voter will have again been screwed.

Looking at the list of material we have for the 2012 line-up, it’s all filled with politicians who have historically either been part of the problem or they are too new and have no traction. It looks more like the cast for “Days of Our Lives”. (http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/)

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By Shenonymous, November 21, 2011 at 6:34 pm Link to this comment

”You can consider Stein becoming the 2012 Green POTUS
candidate to have about the same probability (same degree of
certainty) as the proven to be Goldman Sachs owned Obama
being the 2012 POTUS candidate for the Democrat faction of
the corporate party.”
– Not hardly.  Ms. Stein won’t make a
dent.  If Nader couldn’t do it there is no reason in the universe
that she would.  She might set her sights a lot lower and try to
win a local election first, that would show how much political
draw she has.  Obama will win by a landslide.  The Republicans
have shown themselves to be completely against the American
people and are not only going to lose to Obama they are going
to lose a lot of congressional seats as well.

Those who dream of Ron Paul, reality says to keep on dreaming.

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By BR549, November 21, 2011 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment

Hey, no offense, Dr. Jill Stein seems like a very nice person and all, but at least from that YouTube clip, I can’t see her as developing enough traction to go anywhere. Too many of her points have already been brought forward by other independents (Gravel, Nader, Hagelin, McKinney, Barr, Kucinich, Wellstone, etc., and more recently, Ron Paul). That’s just my opinion; I’m not trying to start WW3 over here.

And even if people can’t see Ron Paul’s message, as long as they stay split and these splinter parties still divide the population, we will all be back in the same boat the day after the 2012 election because the majority of these NFL mesmerized intellectual weenies will have shrugged their shoulders, thrown their hands up in the air, and continued to vote Republican or Democrat because choosing otherwise would have required two adjacent and functioning brain cells, and NOTHING is going to change with those two parties.

Even if Ron Paul manages to get into office, as long as the two party system still rules the Congress, the president’s hands will be tied and all he will be able to due is warn the American people, as Kennedy did, as to who is really calling the shots in the USA, and look what they did to him.

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By David J. Cyr, November 21, 2011 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

QUOTE, of a questioning pair of mismatched socks:

“David J. Cyr, is Dr. Jill Stein the official Green Party candidate?”

“Will she be on ballots in all 50 states?”
______________________

The Green Party hasn’t had its Presidential Nominating Convention yet (scheduled for July 12-15, 2012), but Stein has begun her campaign.

You can consider Stein becoming the 2012 Green POTUS candidate to have about the same probability (same degree of certainty) as the proven to be Goldman Sachs owned Obama being the 2012 POTUS candidate for the Democrat faction of the corporate party.

The Green’s 2012 POTUS candidate will be on most, if not all state ballots. To be on all would only require a little help from her friends… people who can imagine how much better the world could be if 99% of the voters didn’t keep voting for the corporate party’s corporate person representing candidates.

There’s just one thing possibly and one thing likely to prevent Jill Stein from truly historically and truly Peace Prize worthy becoming the non-corporate natural persons representing President of the United States in the 2012 election. It’s how this question is answered:

Will the near 70 million people who voted for the corporate party’s corporate persons selected Obama in 2008 begin to vote for what they’ve been saying they want, or will they keep voting for the corporate party’s Democrats so they can keep protesting against what they vote for?

Jill Stein speaks at WIU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl76Kul_GLI

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By drbhelthi, November 21, 2011 at 1:40 pm Link to this comment

@Leefeller
Thanks for you brief repeat of your view of politics.

If you had a wife who deserted you for a Bible salesman, I would
pose one question to you.  What did you do or not do for so long,
that motivated her to get away, and run off with, of all people, a Bible salesman?  That being the case, I can somewhat understand
your view.

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By oddsox, November 21, 2011 at 11:58 am Link to this comment

Leefeller, HA HA—now YOU come on, did your first wife REALLY run off with the Bible salesman??

Do they still MAKE Bible salesmen? 
(was he wearing an I Like Ike button??)

Enjoyed the rest of your rant, too.
You’re a funny guy, Leefeller, we must do lunch!

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By Leefeller, November 21, 2011 at 11:30 am Link to this comment

Come one drbhelthi, the political landscape is full of crossed finger promises, empty theoretic crap and blatant lies, for some reason, pleasing some of the posters here reminds me of my first wife, who ran off with the bible salesman, so much ‘for better or worse’ or ‘until death doo us part’! Hypocrisy is not only a foundation of trype from the right, unless…...?

Obama should step down so all those whiners left and right out there can be pleased as punch, to have their cake and eat it too.  Go help the right, so they can get off their constant birther bigot wagon. Work with the Repulcians to make it known Obama is not a true white christian or Obama is a this or that. And Obama is right/left wing socialist pinko commi fascist, so those of youse whiners who claim to be on the left bite the bullet and embrace Newt?  The illusion which some people portray of themselves to be smart while others believe they are progressives, I would suggest a nice jolt of realty would be the cure,.... so go join the knuckle dragging Republican party, I can see the happy days now, I see the bonding a a vision of soul enchanting commonality like no other, helping the Repulcians in their grand plan reaching orgasmic proportions of harmony, working together to make Obama a one time president.

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By drbhelthi, November 21, 2011 at 9:10 am Link to this comment

@Shenonymous

When “Barrack H. Obama” was a Chicago politician, Sherman Skolnick noticed and publicized discrepancies in his political behavior.  Some of us, since prior to 2007, observe that “Barrack H. Obama´s” actions have countermanded that which he has publicly professed.  More recently, his statement of having removed “combat troops” from Iraq is one more infraction of his “mouthings.”  He will continue to say what the 99% want to hear, while doing what the 1% want done.
http://truthalliance.net/Archive/News/tabid/67/ID/6187/Combat-soldier-in-Iraq-exposes-Obama-lies.aspx

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By Shenonymous, November 20, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, November 20 at 10:43 am - Bullseyes would be the best
image to identify the political prostitutes whether congressmen/
women or lobbyests. 

President Barack Obama offered more support for protesters
against the global financial system. He expressed his commitment
to the Occupy Wall Street protesters. He said loud and clear that
OWS expresses the frustration of ordinary Americans with the
financial sector.  Unlike the slimy bastard Newt Gingrich who told
the OWS protesters to “go get a job right after you take a bath!”

Let Jill Stein win a local election before she tries to be the president
of America

The idiot Rudy Giuliani claims Obama owns OWS.

The SEIU Just weeks after issuing a union-wide endorsement of Occupy
Wall Street, the 2.1-million-member Service Employees International
Union also announced on Wednesday this past week it is also endorsing
President Obama for reelection.

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By Leefeller, November 20, 2011 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

Well Dave, your gumption and ability to ignore something called shame exceeds even some of the Repulcians out there. I have been reading the Dave blizburg which has been consistently flooding TD with insulting diatribes against liberals, progressives, Democrats or anyone else who dost not see I to I with Mr. know it all, which very closely seem to be emulating our swampy house conservative of ill repute without his bells on!

As a liberal of little or no consequence, said to be ‘one of those liberals’ or as is constantly touted by the breathless brainless right,  as ‘you liberals’ I can safely state, I will vote Republican before I would ever vote Green, because they have never hurt my feelers like one Dave CYr has! Great reverse stupidity Dave!

Actually I just spent all my spare change on the Obama campaign, to show my support for Obama which entailed sending him an empty envelope after I paid close to 50 cents for the stamp.

GO Occupy something!

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By oddsox, November 20, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

David J. Cyr, is Dr. Jill Stein the official Green Party candidate?
(does she have Ardee’s blessing?)
Or could someone else be the nominee (Rosa Clemente, Cynthia McKinney, Stewart Alexander, Ralph Nader, Bernie Sanders, someone else?)

Will she be on ballots in all 50 states?

—guaranteed jobs for all thru public works and green power projects
—forgive all student loan debts; tuition-free education thru 4-years of college
—foreclosure moratorium; mandated mortgage principal reductions
—Single-payer Medicare for all
—all troops and “advisers” brought home from Iraq and Afghanistan
—legalized recreational-use marijuana

is that right?

I’ll take a listen to her WIU speeches ...

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By David J. Cyr, November 20, 2011 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

The “progressive” liberals keep complaining about the corporate ownership of the corporate party candidates that they keep voting for.

Here’s a candidate who isn’t owned by corporate persons, because she isn’t a corporate party candidate.

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By Leefeller, November 20, 2011 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

In order to procure representation which is representation for the real people as a whole instead of the 1 percent few, then possibly elections would be real choices instead of bought and sold.  People should request the Democrats, OWS and even Republicans/Tea Party folks to get the money out. (a pipe dream here!)  One way to do that would be to make Politicians wear outfits like the Indy-car drivers with labels of their sponsors plastered all over their outfits,( I also thought of tattoos but for obvious reason this would be to radical.) making them wear sponsor tags would make congress a hell of a lot more responsive and explain why they vote as they do by who they work for and even make all of Congress much more colorful, even a Republican interview would become slightly more entertaining. 

Then the real peoples goal could be to vote during elections for candidates who have no or less logos plaster all over their outfits, with a final goal to make Congress look hum drum dreary like they look today, making congress 100 percent sponsor absent with no tags coloring up the halls of congress.  Possibly then representation would be real representation for real people instead of what it is today, prostitutes sold to the highest bidder.  Maybe even lobbyists should be forced to wear Indy outfits with colorful labels on them too? I know the supreme court will rule that lobbyists are people too even if most of the pack consists of ex congress persons! (persons as people used very loosely here!)

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By omop, November 20, 2011 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

The messages never mentioned: US military in 135countries; 900 US
military bases outside the US; one in 6 Americans getting food stamps;
over 25 million un-employed; OWS from the Atlantic to the Pacific
Oceans; Congress approval rating at around 12%.... Heman and Newt in
tears…. Perry and the Ponzi thingee; Santorum and ” abortion killing
Social Security” and Romney’s nukes on the table ready to be fired at
Iran. Not to forget Michelle praying on a daily basis and threatening the
US with curses if it chn ages its attitude towards Israel…..

The only two serious and sensible Rep. candidates messages are hardly
known.

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By David J. Cyr, November 19, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

There is someone — not running, but standing in true opposition to the corporate party’s candidates.

Jill Stein for President:

http://www.jillstein.org

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By Textynn, November 19, 2011 at 2:58 pm Link to this comment
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The Republican Kabuki Villains were never suppose to win.  Obama has done more for the right tearing down decades of hard won Democratic legislation within a few years all in the name of the debt run up for the elite in their for profit war.  He has jailed fewer banking criminals than any right wing president.

Anyone that can’t see that none of the heavy hitters on the right are running is not paying attention.  The insiders are fine with Obama’s second term. He is their guy.  These right wing fools running are nothing but dim witted fringe not on the inside circles of power useful in pushing the convo to the uber right.  Wake up. We need someone to run against all of the right wingers including Obama who is very very right.

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By Shenonymous, November 18, 2011 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

ugg outlet - I will report you to the Truthdig Webmaster every
time I run across your vulture ads on the forums.  I think you
are an offensive hyena the preys on websites.

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By mapol, November 18, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

You may very well be right, Big B, since neither the Democrats at large or the
Republicans have done a d***ed thing for average, ordinary everyday people,
especially for the past 4 or 5 decades.

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By Cliff Carson, November 17, 2011 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment

Do we just let the finger pointing continue?  Is our only participation going to be finger pointing?  What is your idea, or plan, to bring our Government back under control?
Some of you say get rid of Obama, most of the others of you say get rid of the Republican Policies, but if both Parties are the fault, if both are equally corrupt, why continue this insane babble morphed into finger pointing? 

Maybe you are satisfied with the direction of the nation, although I did see a survey recently that said 84 % of the people of America believe we are going in the wrong direction.  Surely the crowd on here doesn’t comprise the other 16%.

Shouldn’t the American people do something other than what they have been doing?

Wonder what that would be?

Are you willing to do it?

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By drbhelthi, November 17, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

Obama isn’t even concerned about shitting on his base.  Why, obviously, he has
played a whore for both sides. WAke up.  Textann

Agreed.
The GHWBushSr entourage (Zionists) could not have picked a better qualified CIA operative to carry out nazification of the U.S. under the Dem Party banner.  He has done, and will continue to do the same while in the PotUS “slot”.  Time for Truthdiggers to bone up on the creation and purpose of the C.I.A.  Not the disinformative, official propaganda.  Rather, the genuine info.

And as far as his “religious inclination” is concerned?  As an islamic Indonesian, he retains his affiliation life-long.  We see what is being done to Moslems who try to switch out of their Islamism, in their homelands.  Their “life-long” affiliation ends abruptly, with the end of their lives.  Of course, in the USofA, Mr. Obama´s chameleon characteristics permit him to play to whichever religion he thinks the voters want.  The GHWBushSr entourage could not have selected a better qualified chameleon, non-person to continue the WWII, NAZI program.  Just view Dr. Carol Rosin´s video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ALLUuvsVkM

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By BR549, November 17, 2011 at 7:52 am Link to this comment

Gene, you’re at it again. Your supposition that unemployment is at 9% only mimicks the half truths coming out of your buddy’s administration. As a reporter, why don’t you try looking at the BLS’s business Birth-Death Ratio; then you’d see that figure was actually continuing to escalate beyond 22%. In the case of many inner city sectors, it’s over 30%.

But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid. It seems to be working for you.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 16, 2011 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

MrFreeze:

I agree that Mitt would be a total disaster.  But all the others (except for RP) would be catastrophic.

RP might be slightly better then Romney.

Then there’s John Huntsman, but his odds are so low he can be ignored.

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By Textynn, November 16, 2011 at 8:28 pm Link to this comment
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The Republicans planned on losing from the beginning.  Obama has served them famously and all on the Dem tab.  None of the big Repub insiders are running.  Only the wannabee, not in the inside loop fringe are running. Their purpose is only to move the convo to the ultra uber far right.  It’s only obvious.  That’s why they are just blowing crap out of all orifices.  That’s all they are suppose to do.

Obama isn’t even concerned about shitting on his base.  Why, obviously, he has played a whore for both sides. WAke up.

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By oddsox, November 16, 2011 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

@D.R. Zing, you write: ...the news media will abdicate its constitutional responsibilities to be the final check on the checks and balances system.”

The Constitution guarantees freedom of the press with no strings attached.  The 4th Estate has no “constitutional responsibilities.”

That said, your point about the media propping up certain candidates for the sake of making a better horse race is well taken. 

And it is pretty easy to see the biases of the various media outlets—Mainstream Media or Fox News, Wall St. Journal, Huffington Post—you name ‘em. 

Mark Twain put it best: 
“Tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is”

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By prisnersdilema, November 16, 2011 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Yes things are so bad that its the Republican election to lose…...such omens do not
however mean that Obama will win…

It just means that the public is not too happy about any of them, and if there was a
strong challenge to Obama from either party he would have a hard time winning….

The election is a long way off, but the collapse is here and now….and desperate people
do desperate things…and the American people are getting more desperate every day….

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By examinator, November 15, 2011 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment

How’s this for some crazy logic? With all these foreclosed houses why isn’t the Government buying some of them cheap and renting them out to the occupants with the option to buy a joint interest in them, hell, you never know they may even build up an equity that might even help the social security system later?

Or perhaps use some of the houses for the homeless?
The tax payer has bailed everyone else out why not the victims?
Oh! I forgot, this is America and helping people is soooo yesteryear or socialist(sic). Long live Malthusian logic!( Law of the jungle)
But wait we’re not in the jungle…..yet! give the American conservatives power and we will.

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By mrfreeze, November 15, 2011 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

ITW - Thanks for your thought about RP. I’ve never thought he was a serious “anything” in national politics…and yes, he has an occasional good idea about certain issues…He is, simply put, a distraction.

I will say, as others have, he’s of better quality than the rest of the douche bags running for President..I could go on for eons about Mitt Romney…he’s a total f***ing disaster.

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By NZDoug, November 15, 2011 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

If you can buy the system, it doesn’t matter who gets in.
The money guys wheel the deal.
meet the new boss, same as he old boss.
USA Israel no war.

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By D.R. Zing, November 15, 2011 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, regarding the Ron Paul threads below, I have to say when I hear
Republicans debate, Ron Paul is the only one whose head does not seem
to be protruding from a douche bag.

Progressives and Libertarians could reach common ground in the
following areas:

* Personal freedom.

* Medical freedom. 

* Stopping the perpetual war machine.

Areas that will be problematic are environmental protection, public
education and public health.  Those are dicey but it behooves us all
to look for areas of agreement outside of the Republican and
Democratic parties, which have thrown progressives under
the bus. 

Regarding the article, it shows Robinson is out of touch with grass
roots progressives and, really, out of touch with how much his own
profession—far from being an objective observer—is a active participant in presidential campaigns. 

The television news media will try very hard to keep the 2012
presidential election close.  It’s too much of a profit area for them
to let it go in a landslide.  Whether it’s making bullshit Swift Boat
allegations headline news or giving wall to wall coverage to a
diabolical whack job like Sarah Palin, the news media will abdicate
its constitutional responsibilities to be the final check on the
checks and balances system and instead play the role of a groupie coke
whore at a rock concert.

They’ll be poised, well dressed and looking good but willing to sell
their mother’s soul to get the goods, and the goods are nasty and
damaging. 

It’s a shame someone with the stature and writing skills of Robinson
is not attacking the television news media for what it is:  A
corporate entity that at once creates news, reports news, and
consumes news.  Television coverage of presidential elections is a
threat to our nation. 

Robinson and his esteemed peers should be raising hell about it.

Dig peace. Don’t bury it.

Zing

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By Cliff Carson, November 15, 2011 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

By John Drabble, November 15 at 11:57 am

John Drabble said:

“You just don’t get it Mr. Robinson-BOTH PARTIES ARE THE PROBLEM! Both parties are corporate controlled. Neither party gives a real shit about the rest of us.”

Oh so true.

Unfortunately America is so divided they just can’t shut their mouths long enough to learn, and they settle back into finger pointing finally electing one of the Party’s that don’t give a real S… about the people.  And after the voting is over, they start finger pointing again.

There is a way to retake America.

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By oddsox, November 15, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

“Simply being Not Obama isn’t enough.”
—ER
True. 
But being Not George Bush might be.

Still so far to go.

Truthdiggers, who’s got a crystal ball out there?
I see Obama vs. Romney, but it’s very cloudy…

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By oddsox, November 15, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Huntsman is most likely to beat Obama 1-on-1 according to Nate Silver’s 538 blog. 
If only he got the chance.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 15, 2011 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

MrFreeze: I hope you don’t think I was complaining about Ron Paul not getting popularity with Americans.  I’m not.  I find very little about him at all appealing, even though he is MORE appealing than the other 7 androids still in the race.  That’s not saying much, like being the best dancer—of all the dancing bears in the zoo.

I just thought it bears (!) explaining why he is NOT going anywhere!

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By mrfreeze, November 15, 2011 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Paul_GA - I did read the link. Thanks for that….

1) When it comes to politicians I engage in age discrimination: 74 is TOO OLD to be president.
2) Never said he’s a nut: he simply embraces ideas that won’t work in our republic
3) Never said he’s and isolationist…..doesn’t matter if he is or isn’t. In today’s America (or in the world) there’s no such thing…
4) I couldn’t care less what his views of Islam are…Most Americans don’t have the slightest idea what’s in the Bible much less understand any other religion.
5) I don’t watch TV…but I do read a lot and I have a good idea of what Paul “believes in.” And, just to answer the concept of Paul’s constituients re-electing him because they feel represented…that’s great…...so what?
6) This point actually proves my point about his unelectability: Paul WANTS to have serious discussions about some important things. His problems are, a) He wants to reign in “THE EMPIRE,” with all its military and economic might…..ain’t gunna happen and, b) his “libertarianism” sounds good to many who want quick fixes to complex issues, but anyone being intellectually honest knows that it’s a fringe philosophy embraced by a whole subset of “elitists.”

I realize RP is popular with some folk, but he’s not president material.

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By Paul_GA, November 15, 2011 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

@ mrfreeze

Read this:  http://lewrockwell.com/orig12/fangio1.1.1.html

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By greg_2, November 15, 2011 at 12:17 pm Link to this comment

Ron Paul is a Conservative, right-wing loon. Just read his website!

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By John Drabble, November 15, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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Where do you get the impression the democrats are “working to preserve Social Security?” Obama has put cuts to Social Security on the table numerous times already. the Democrats of the super committee are ready to gut Social Security (and Medicare) if the Republicans will toss them the tiniest bone on increasing revenue-even if it is just a promise they don’t intend to keep.

You just don’t get it Mr. Robinson-BOTH PARTIES ARE THE PROBLEM! Both parties are corporate controlled. Neither party gives a real shit about the rest of us.

Read Chris Hedges piece today.

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By Anarcissie, November 15, 2011 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

I would think the elections of 2012 would be an excellent opportunity for such as the Libertarian and Green parties to get out of the sub-5% class.

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By Leefeller, November 15, 2011 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

Watching the Republican so called debates is like watching South Park, but less real and more obnoxiously humorous!

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By mrfreeze, November 15, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

I haven’t commented on Ron Paul before….here’s why:

He has a much chance becoming president as I do:

1) He’s an outsider’s outsider
2) He’s too old (I’m not but still)
3) His “libertarian” leanings won’t work in a democratic republic….they’re just not compatible. (and besides, libertarianism is a bunch of crap)

I know some of you on TD just love the guy, but he is not presidential material. I’ll tell you what. If you like him so much, move to TX which is nothing but a haven for his brand of “non-government.”

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By Inherit The Wind, November 15, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

If RP is lucky, the best he can do is influence the debate.  But his open-minded and anti-
war policies are too liberal for right-wingers, and his anti abortion and laissez-faire
deregulation policies are too right-wing for liberals.  IOW, he’s managed to piss of both
sides on issues the won’t compromise on.  Is it any wonder he cannot get any traction
with the mainstream?

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By Shenonymous, November 15, 2011 at 9:26 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul would not get many more votes if he declared candidacy
in a Libertarian Party.  When he lost in 1988 as a Libertarian he
jumped into the Republican Party the very same year.  He obviously
has thought for a long time now that his fortune is laying in bed
with the Tea Party (formerly know as the Republican Party).  He didn’t
know soon enough there are many deranged bedbugs in that bed. 
But he has his own set of problems that he might have thought would
merely lurk in the corners of the Republican agenda.

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By Anarcissie, November 15, 2011 at 8:50 am Link to this comment

The big question about Ron Paul that is never answered is what he’s doing in the Republican Party.

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By laundro, November 15, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment
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Don’t bother rationalizing them, they’re batsh*t. Ron Paul won’t save you.

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By Paul_GA, November 15, 2011 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

I note, once again, that Robinson breathes not a word about Ron Paul. Of course, they marginalize him in the debates and ignore him in the mainstream media ... oh, well, if the country’s going to go to Perdition, que sera, sera.

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By David J. Cyr, November 15, 2011 at 5:46 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Eugene Robinson:

“So how is it that President Obama leads each of his likely Republican opponents in the polls? And why on earth is the gap widening rather than closing?”
_____________________

It’s the function of the corporate party’s over reaching retrograde Republicans to honestly advertise, so the dishonest advertisements of the corporate party’s under reaching depraved Democrats can more effectively deceive greater numbers of sheeple.

Republicans are the corporate party sheep dogs that herd frightened liberal sheeple into the corporate party Democrat’s slaughter pen.

Voter Consent Wastes Dissent:

http://chenangogreens.org/home/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=498&Itemid=1

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By Big B, November 15, 2011 at 5:43 am Link to this comment

I think the repug message is very clear, we as a party will sink to any low, up to and including crashing the US and world economy, just to make sure that we don’t nominate a black guy or a mormon.

Prez Barry just sits there and watches these debates and sips a martini and laughs knowing that as long as these idoits are out there he will never ahve to change.

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