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My Democrat Can Whip Your DemocratPosted on May 1, 2007By E.J. Dionne WASHINGTON—Niccolo Machiavelli, the 16th-century political realist and schemer, would relish the intricate calculations the three leading Democratic presidential candidates are required to make. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards need to do two things simultaneously: persuade the intensely antiwar majority in the Democratic Party that they despise President Bush’s Iraq policies, and demonstrate that they would be resolute in dealing with America’s foreign foes. Over the last week, their foreign policy dance has produced some revealing moments. If you talk to members of Team Clinton, you quickly understand that her experience—both in the Senate and in the White House as a genuine governing partner with her husband—is their trump card against Obama. He may move Democratic crowds to tears and cheers, but Clinton would know what to do and how to do it from the moment she walked into the Oval Office. Suggesting that this argument could get a hearing from Democrats, a Pew Research Center survey in mid-April gave Clinton a seemingly impregnable 39 percent to 5 percent advantage over Obama as the candidate having the “best experience” to be president. Most Democratic foreign policy gurus argue that among the party’s top three, Clinton has the most fully thought-through approach to international affairs. That’s why there was glee in Clinton circles over Obama’s answer in last Thursday’s Democratic debate in South Carolina to a question about his likely response to simultaneous terrorist attacks on two American cities. Obama gave a 205-word reply without mentioning retaliation. Edwards, who spoke next, could not wait to say that he would “act swiftly and strongly to hold them responsible for that.” And Clinton relished driving her toughness home. “I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate,” she declared. “I believe we should quickly respond.” Obama, seeing the threat immediately, doubled back in response to a later, unrelated question to endorse “intelligently using our military and, in some cases, lethal force to take out terrorists.” But he had already given the Clintonites their opening, and they pressed their advantage over the weekend. Yet it’s not clear how well toughness will sell among Democratic primary voters who are overwhelmingly and intensely critical of the Iraq war. Here, Obama, having opposed the war from the beginning, has an obvious advantage over Clinton because of her vote to authorize force in 2002 and despite her efforts to explain it. Speaking before the California Democratic State Convention over the weekend, Obama could not resist an indirect dig at Clinton. “We’ve seen,” he said, “how a foreign policy based on bluster and bombast can lead us into a war that should’ve never been authorized and never been waged.” Obama, however, faces risks on his other flank from Edwards, who renounced his own vote in favor of force and now displays the fervor of a born-again war opponent. With Obama and Clinton confronting the possibility that they may have to vote for compromise language on an Iraq supplemental appropriations bill, Edwards challenged Congress (and by extension his rivals) “to stand firm and strong” on Iraq. “If the president vetoes this bill, they should send him back another bill with a timetable for withdrawal,” Edwards told the California convention. “If he vetoes that, they should send him another one back with a timetable for withdrawal.” Edwards thus raised the prospect that for Obama and Clinton, their obligations as members of the Senate’s narrow Democratic majority may conflict with the imperatives of their presidential candidacies. Obama faces the knottiest political problems of the top three. He is being challenged on his right (on experience and toughness) and his left (with antiwar Democrats fearing he will embrace establishmentarian views). His detailed foreign policy speech last week received generally favorable reviews from the foreign affairs powers that be but drew criticism from the left, especially for his refusal to renounce the use of military force against Iran. By contrast, Edwards has decisively thrown in his lot with the party’s antiwar wing, while Clinton is distinguishing herself not only from President Bush, but also from Obama by embracing a brand of tough-minded realism. The upside for Obama is that circumstances are forcing him to define a new center of gravity on foreign policy in Democratic politics. If he succeeds, the rewards he reaps could be as great as the risks he now faces. E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is postchat(at symbol)aol.com. © 2007, Washington Post Writers Group Previous item: Minimum Compassion for Wage Slaves Next item: Voices From the Spanish Civil War Elsewhere: . CommentsAre you a Truthdig member yet? Login now, or register with Truthdig. Add Your Comment |
By JNagarya, May 3, 2007 at 9:50 pm #
#68013 by Louise on 5/03 at 10:49 pm
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“"Clinton is distinguishing herself not only from President Bush, but also from Obama by embracing a brand of tough-minded realism.””
“I guess that all depends on your view of realism.”
. . . .
“The whole premise that the best president will be the man/woman who aggressively goes after “them” should we be “attacked” again. Since we really have no idea who “them” is, all propaganda to the contrary, this is a bone-dumb reason to elect anyone!
“Now here’s something that makes sense.
““If the president vetoes this bill, they should send him back another bill with a timetable for withdrawal,” Edwards told the California convention. “If he vetoes that, they should send him another one back with a timetable for withdrawal.””
“Amen to that!”
And that is exactly as Senator Schumer said it: eseentially, “keep sending him bills with the timeline.” He will eventually either sign, or the demands for impeachment and removal will continue to increase.
Report thisBy Louise, May 3, 2007 at 4:19 pm #
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“Clinton is distinguishing herself not only from President Bush, but also from Obama by embracing a brand of tough-minded realism.”
I guess that all depends on your view of realism.
The notion that Hillary will make a good president because of Bill.
What’s that all about?
I would certainly hope we have not become so brain-dead from the past six years of abuse, that we would elect someone based on who was in their family! We did that once, remember?
BUSH!
Duh ...
The whole premise that the best president will be the man/woman who aggressively goes after “them” should we be “attacked” again. Since we really have no idea who “them” is, all propaganda to the contrary, this is a bone-dumb reason to elect anyone!
Now here’s something that makes sense.
“If the president vetoes this bill, they should send him back another bill with a timetable for withdrawal,” Edwards told the California convention. “If he vetoes that, they should send him another one back with a timetable for withdrawal.”
Amen to that!
Let the nation clearly see the level of contempt Bush has for the congress, the families of the dead and wounded, and the military.
Let the nation figure out once and for all.
When their president says he refuses to sign a bill with a timetable for withdrawal, what he’s really saying is ...
All or nothing.
My way or no way.
Who cares about how many may die? I don’t want to hear it!
“I mean, it’s, its not relevant. So, why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?”
[OK, I confess, that last quote’s from his mom. http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/barbara.asp
But, seems apropos.]
As usual, Kucinich, the only honest candidate in congress running for president was not mentioned. What Dionne doesn’t understand is Kucinich actually listens to we the people, and we like that.
Maybe we need to start a fund to repair Dionne’s radar, since the important stuff always manages to fly just below his.
Report thisBy JNagarya, May 2, 2007 at 11:35 pm #
#67608 by DennisD on 5/02 at 2:02 am
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“E.J. - that roster of losers you keep mentioning is starting to turn my stomach. Come up with a candidate that people can actually vote for and expect real change for a change. DK is the only one offering it and he’s rarely if ever mentioned. Wise up.”
You are not the only constituent.
Like it or not, the field will be limited. Those in the running are those rom among which you get to choose.
Wanna do a third-party Florida 2000 Nader?
Report thisBy JNagarya, May 2, 2007 at 11:28 pm #
#67786 by Skruff on 5/02 at 9:09 pm
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“When I see the string of Democrats since forever, I think sometimes the D’s don’t want the white house...and who could blame them.. Clinton was an accident, he was elected because stars lined up against Bush, Perot was stronger than any third party candidate since Wallace, Bush kept steping on his dick, and the public was in a particularly forgiving mood when it came to the good-ole-southern-boy-from dogpatch!”
Don’t know that I’d go that far—or even in that direction. The electorate that votes isn’t necessarily informed beyond surface in advance of voting.
“before this mistake, no reasonable Democrats since Johnson.”
Aside from Viet Nam—not wanting to be the first president to lose a war (and ignorance of history; was 1812, as example, won?)—LBJ was a good president. He was eaten alive by Viet Nam.
“Seemks the only time the D’s win lately is when the R’s do their suicide damce,”
Let’s not forget theft of elections, okay?
“Anyone want a five dollar bet that 2008 will give us another (less gung-ho) Republican?”
Ain’t gonna happen. I’m not at all a hawk, but from the Democratic side, Hillary is looking about right. And Edwards. Protect-the-country pragmatism, and anti-unnecessary war.
I love Obama. But he needs some seasoning.
Report thisBy Skruff, May 2, 2007 at 2:39 pm #
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When I see the string of Democrats since forever, I think sometimes the D’s don’t want the white house...and who could blame them.. Clinton was an accident, he was elected because stars lined up against Bush, Perot was stronger than any third party candidate since Wallace, Bush kept steping on his dick, and the public was in a particularly forgiving mood when it came to the good-ole-southern-boy-from dogpatch!
before this mistake, no reasonable Democrats since Johnson. over 40 years without a memorable candidate. got to be a record. Seemks the only time the D’s win lately is when the R’s do their suicide damce,
Anyone want a five dollar bet that 2008 will give us another (less gung-ho) Republican?
Report thisBy JNagarya, May 2, 2007 at 2:39 am #
#67602 by Spinoza on 5/01 at 7:20 pm
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“I just wrote this letter to the editor of my local paper. It is absurd that the creep vetoed that stupid immoral appropriation bill.”
To paraphrase Mark Twain: A habit is not quit all at once. It is persuaded down the stairs one step at a time.
You want conclusions, results, without any preliminaries. Does that requirement make reasoned sense? No.
Report thisBy DennisD, May 1, 2007 at 7:32 pm #
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E.J. - that roster of losers you keep mentioning is starting to turn my stomach. Come up with a candidate that people can actually vote for and expect real change for a change. DK is the only one offering it and he’s rarely if ever mentioned. Wise up.
Report thisBy Spinoza, May 1, 2007 at 7:20 pm #
I just wrote this letter to the editor of my local paper. It is absurd that the creep vetoed that stupid immoral appropriation bill. Please everyone writea letter.
Dear Editor,
Our Government is an embarrassment. We illegally and immorally attacked Iraq and further we have fought an occupiers imperialist war for 4 years with a resultant high death count and many Iraqi children suffering from malnutrition and cancers.
The overwhelming majority of Iraqis of every type want us to leave. The majority of American people want us to leave. Yet the Criminal Bushite regime refuses to leave.
I beg the people of this country to rise up and take back our country from this government.
Sincerely
Lewis Beyman
AND PEOPLE SUPPORT KUCINICH AND THE IMPEACHMENT, THE HELL WITH CREEPS LIKE DIONNE.
Report thisBy nonsequitor, May 1, 2007 at 1:06 pm #
mutual mental-masturbation society.
Report thisyou can leave out the mental, if you like.
By THOMAS BILLIS, May 1, 2007 at 10:15 am #
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Obamas problem is coming off all the kumbaya stuff to reality.If he wants a shot at this he better dump all the democratic consultants that have surely latched onto his campaign and make his policies known.We are all going to dance and hug is not policy.We have had 6 years of prayer and bullshit. The American people will not fall for this again whether it is democratic or republican.Start stating concrete ideas on what you would do or settle for Vice President.
Report thisBy Leefeller, May 1, 2007 at 8:04 am #
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Since I must be a left of center person, because I was against the war from the beginning, I see the three main stream Democrats as Pablum or business as usual. Gravel and super K for me.
Report thisBy Bill Blackolive, May 1, 2007 at 6:47 am #
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“Tough-minded realism.” In schizoid nation there is no public realism before the 9/11 coverup gets addressed. This can be a breath away. Try, 9/11 Truth, nineeleven.co.uk, etcetera, to see there are many known people, a few politicians already, who recognise there is a cover-up, and, now, to change everything, they must become aware of their numbers and go public loudly.
Report thisBy cann4ing, May 1, 2007 at 6:25 am #
The “anti-war wing?” That implies that opposition to the war is limited to some fringe leftist element. The vast majority of Americans want this war to end. Typical of mainstream pundits, E. J. Dione focuses only on those candidates who, funded by the military-industrial complex, give lip service to opposing the war even as they vote to fund it.
Isn’t it bad enough that we have to listen to the drivel of the mainstream pundits through the corporate media? Why is this trash posted at Truthdig?
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