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Posted on Jul 25, 2010

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now trivialized phrase has it, a “teachable moment.” It is a time for action.

The mainstream media and the Obama administration alike must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its own propaganda to be accepted as news by persuading traditional journalists that “fairness” requires treating extremist rants as “one side of the story.”

And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama, and against progressives in this year’s election.

The administration’s response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with “protecting” the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

The first reaction of the Obama team was not to question, let alone challenge, the video. Instead, it assumed that whatever narrative Fox News might create mattered more than anything else, including the possible innocence of a human being outside the president’s inner circle. She could be sacrificed without a thought.

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Obama complained on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack “jumped the gun, partly because we now live in this media culture where something goes up on YouTube or a blog and everybody scrambles.” But it’s his own apparatus that turned “this media culture” into a false god.

Yet the Obama team was reacting to a reality: the bludgeoning of mainstream journalism into looking timorously over its right shoulder and believing that “balance” demands taking seriously whatever sludge the far right is pumping into the political waters.

This goes way back. Al Gore never actually said he “invented the Internet,” but you could be forgiven for not knowing this because the mainstream media kept reporting he had.

There were no “death panels” in the Democratic health care bills. But this false charge got so much coverage that last August, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 45 percent of Americans thought the reform proposals would likely allow “the government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly.” That was the summer when support for reform was dropping precipitously. A straight-out lie influenced the course of one of our most important debates.

The traditional media are so petrified of being called “liberal” that they are prepared to allow the Breitbarts of the world to become their assignment editors. Mainstream journalists regularly criticize themselves for not jumping fast enough or high enough when the Fox crowd demands coverage of one of their attack lines.

Thus did Andrew Alexander, The Washington Post’s ombudsman, ask why the paper had been slow to report on, as he put it, “the Justice Department’s decision to scale down a voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party.”

Never mind that this is a story about a tiny group of crackpots who stopped no one from voting. It was aimed at doing what the doctored video Breitbart posted set out to do: persuade Americans that the Obama administration favors blacks over whites.

And never mind that, to her great credit, Abigail Thernstrom, a conservative George W. Bush appointee to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, dismissed the case and those pushing it. “This doesn’t have to do with the Black Panthers,” she told Politico’s Ben Smith. “This has to do with their fantasies about how they could use this issue to topple the [Obama] administration.”

Instead, the media are supposed to take seriously the charges of J. Christian Adams, who served in the Bush Justice Department. He’s a Republican activist going back to the Bill Clinton era. His party services included time as a Bush poll watcher in Florida in 2004, when on one occasion he was involved in a controversy over whether a black couple could cast a regular ballot.

Now, Adams is accusing the Obama Justice Department of being “motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law.”

This is racially inflammatory, politically motivated nonsense—and it’s nonsense even if Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh talk about it a thousand times a day. When an outlandish charge for which there is no evidence is treated as an on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand issue, the liars win.

The Sherrod case should be the end of the line. If Obama hates the current media climate, he should stop overreacting to it. And the mainstream media should stop being afraid of insisting upon the difference between news and propaganda.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.
   
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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

samosamo, July 28 at 6:34 pm,

Homer Simpson can do a better job than FOX News.  There is more content in a Simpson cartoon than there is in FOX News. 

FOX News is abusing their right to use the public airways and as a result of their abuse of the airways, they should not be allowed to reinstate their license, perhaps a petition for broadcast abuse of the public airways is needed, because Media Matters For America at http://mediamatters.org/ has documented insurmountable abuse.

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By MarthaA, July 28 at 5:37 pm #
It truly should be the END of the FOX News Era, because
sophism and subjective propaganda should NEVER be what news
is all about.”“”
**************

Yeah, and that reminds me of how the ‘people’ with there
sensitivities became so horrified of the news that some demand
was made, felt or insinuated that the good time useless dribble
became and remains the msm’s main course of information flow
to the dumbstream. Never mind that real news is rather more
jolting, alarming, unsettling and truly infomative.

Seems about the time the major newscasters, walter conkite -
huntly/brinkley, frank reynolds(sp), were all being pushed aside
for the family casters, with at least a male and female like a
husband/wife, or bother/sister all came into vogue with the
news becoming more happy times news and less watch your
back alerts of sort. It was also the beginning of opinionated ‘on
the cuff’ blurps that gave quick approval or disapproval of some
action in a news story.

Now there seems to be much screeching, hollering obfuscation
and out right lying to protect certain interests. As the survivors
of krakatau must surely have said: ‘it don’t get much worse than
this’.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 2:08 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA, - “It truly should be the END of the FOX News Era, because sophism and subjective propaganda should NEVER be what news is all about.”

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Do you live in the United States?  Do you follow the news media in the states?  Holy crap!  FOX is any different from most of the rest?  Holy Crap!!  You are a MUCH TOO FOCUSED on phantoms, Martha.  Did I say, Holy CRAP?

Drop the hate and fear.  You blind yourself of the world directly before your eyes!

I’m sorry, Martha.  Am I being too EXTREME for your liking? LOL

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

Not sure if you are aware exactly what ACORN is designed to be. 

This is not an organization going about their business performing good deeds.  ACORN, by design and inception, works directly with the democratic party for causes important to the party.  Some of it good.  BUT a great deal of it is pure politics with a focus on district by district voter registration and mobilization for the party.

This is all well and fine and perfectly legal if conducted within the law.  But it’s tremendously wrong that monies from the Treasury is used to fund ACORN.  Its just plain wrong.  Why should roughly half the voting public be forced to pay in support of the opposing party? - McCain/Feinngold tried to address the problem but was summarily killed by, guess who?

It’s certain that most people do not know what ACORN is designed to be.  But it’s no secret in Washington.  And when you hear of the republicans getting in a twist over ACORN there is but a single reason.  At times there is huge sums of taxpayer funding working very directly for a single party. Not the republican party….LOL

I have further pause about ACORN in that the organization is under investigation in, I believe, 14 States for voter fraud.  Several of those districts by democratic States Atty’s General.  In my State, with a democratic Atty Gen., ACORN is under investigation for stepping over the line in their “voter registration procedures”.  Specifically targeting only democratic districts, falsifying records and 78,000 “phantom” registered voters.

I know the Atty. General personally.  A very good man.  Serious in his work and, I believe, honest.  The investigation is legitimate.

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 1:37 pm Link to this comment

It truly should be the END of the FOX News Era, because sophism and subjective propaganda should NEVER be what news is all about.

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, July 28 at 9:53 am,

The GOP is going to take the Tea Party in, they are all Republicans.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 12:45 pm Link to this comment

Shall we once again move on to the INTERNATIONAL RACISM
that the Democrats sponser?

  Haiti is starring you right in the face
  Mexico is starring you right in the face
  Palistine is starring you right in the face
  Iraq is starring you right in the face
  Afghanistan is starring you right in the face

Need I go on?  Because there are dozens and dozens more!!!

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

No, the voting history of Blacks does not represent
that at all.  It represents the control our media has
on political thought.

  Midway 54 , I will repeat what I have been repeating

The Democrats had a filibuster proof Senate, a huge
majority in the House and a Democrat President , and still
found a way to get voting rights in the District of
Columbia rejected again.

The Democrats had majorities in the Senate and the House
and already knew that the “pimp” scam was a scam,....
and still pulled the funds to ACORN.

The Democrats controlled the Senate and the House when
the Draconian 100:1 mandatory sentencing was concocted
crack to powder

There is more and more institutional racism that the
Democrats have been just as responsibe for as the Pubs
Do you need me to remind you of things
like our Criminal Justice System,  Education funding
and many institutional racism practices that the
Democrats are just as responsible for as the Pubs?

The Democrats are holding on to Johnson signing the
Civil rights bill of the early sixties, that the Pubs
helped sponcer and put through congress.
And President Kennedy and President Johnson didn’t wake
up on morning , and say “Gee, I love Black America so
much, I am going to push some Civil rights legislation
through Congress”
It was quite the oppisite, after one hundred years of
Jim Crow, and several hundred years of slavery before that
the Blacks organized and were protesting and were haveing
sit ins, and BUNING CITIES DOWN, and promised to keep
doing so until they got the laws passed, so a very timid
Washington D.C. had to cave and get a Civil Rights Bill
passed that if you look around you, hasn’t done a whole
lot for the black citizens of this country that helped
build it much more than whites.

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By Midway54, July 28, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

...“they try to make an issue out of race because they know
that they can’t win one state without the black vote.
So every election cycle,  here come the Democrat Journalists pointing their fucking finger about race.
and have been just as responsible for the institutional
racism that persists today as the republicans.”

********************************************

Can’t argue about the bilateral fault, but I think it is the consensus that the Republicans are much more talented and responsible for it than those journalists and the Democrats. The voting history of African-Americans tells you that much.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, - “Debunked what?  State the claim and how I’m wrong, please.”

-

Glenn Beck “LIE OF THE DAY”
7/19/10

How are you wrong?  I can illustrate numerous ways in which the lie of 7.19 is not a lie at all.  But the most immediate, in my mind, is the most glaring. - The are no lies in an opinion.  There are only differences of opinion.

You can hold any opinion you wish.  It would be quite wrong, foolish actually, to suggest you to be lying when it comes to your opinion.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Many of us voted our conscience for the last forty
years and want to puke everytime the Democrats go
bragging about their civil rights record that stinks.

  But since Democrats can’t debate issues such as NAFTA
WAR AND PEACE, CIVIL LIBERTIES, TORTURE, EQUAL EDUCATION
FUNDING, DOWN SIZING THE MIC, ECOLOGY,
or any of the other issues that really concern
both black and white citizens,

they try to make an issue out of race because they know
that they can’t win one state without the black vote.
So every election cycle,  here come the Democrat Journalists pointing their fucking finger about race.
and have been just as responsible for the institutional
racism that persists today as the republicans.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 11:05 am Link to this comment

Many of us refused to get on an airplane again by the
mid eighties because we saw the pollution and how
rediculous it was to create all that traffic and
pollution up in the sky.

Preach about fighting todays struggle…..........
Apparently you have know idea what TODAYS struggles are.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 11:00 am Link to this comment

Many of us know that if the “so called liberals”
had been paying attention for the last forty years
we wouldn’t be

POO POOING OVER WIKILEAKS

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Many of us turned down, quit , and walked away from
very lucrative employment for forty years just because
we knew that the company was involved with the war
machine, so we sacrificed and worked employment that
paid one third of our market value.
I don’t need anyone preach to this old man about struggle
and the Democrat Party.

If you choose to vote for a myth and a lie, go ahead,
but don’t preach about struggle and that it is our fault
for not supporting a corrupt party for the nation to be
in the sad shape that it is in.
Many of us haven’t made the economy and $$$$$$$$$$$$$
our priority for the last forty years.
Many of us puked when Clinton wrote
“It’s the economy stupid”  on the bathroom mirror.
Because for many of us it has always been the ecology
stupid mutha fuckers.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 10:41 am Link to this comment

What do you mean, “are you not willing to struggle”

Some of us have been leaning in on this fight for over
forty years, struggling, for forty years watching every
bit of gasoline that we burned, watching every move
on Capitol Hill for forty years, bringing up our sons
not to participate in war, planting gardens when no one
our age thought it cool to do so, fighting for campaign
finance reform for over thirty years just to watch the
Dems blow it on purpose every time they given the chance,
watching the Dems support resource wars for over forty
years, watching Dems support institutional racism for
over forty years,
AND ON AND ON AND ON
We don’t need someone that woke up politically during
the Bush II years to preach to us about struggle !!!
Now go tie your yellow ribbons around some tree
and talk all your Democrat fluff talk as you vote for
the death and destruction of some very nice people around
the world!!

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By JDmysticDJ, July 28, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

http://WWW.Nihilist

Are you not willing to struggle? Are you going to give up? Are you going to let Fox News, the Main Stream Media, and Rupert Murdoch types kick your ass, without a fight?

Surviving in the wilderness requires making the best available choices, and struggle; not surrendering to defeatism.

Your only argument against this little missive will be more nihilism.

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By William W. Wexler, July 28, 2010 at 5:53 am Link to this comment

Regarding centrism…

I think Rachel Maddow has hit the mark with her explanation of how the center has been pulled to the right.  This fictional center is not the center of America, it’s the center of discourse in Congress.  Congress gets its opinions largely from the media and their corporation donors. 

It is clear that having pushed the center as far right as they can, the next topic of discussion for Fox is how all the people went to the wall to elect Barack Obama and did you really get “change”? No. 

In one sense of that I agree with them.  Obama campaigned as a progressive (at times, but anyone who hung in there for that was delusional, I think).  Progressives should not be pleased with the last year and a half. 

MarthaA suggests that people should either flood the Democratic party or create one that is Constitutionally equal to the two parties.  I am not sure how that would work, since the Constitution doesn’t say anything about the two party system.  Or any parties.  As far as flooding the Democrats to drag them to the left, well, good luck with that.  The party machinery is distasteful.  It’s oily with insiders, money, favors owed, undue influence from the Establishment, etc etc.  I suppose it’s theoretically possible to have a progressive takeover of the party but there is SO much inertia there that it would very difficult and would take years to accomplish.

So getting back to independent parties.  Independent parties are viewed as interlopers who don’t belong in the political system and cause one of the legitimate parties to lose.  Oh, that’s the opinion of the GOP and Dems, not the reality.  The reality is that nobody owns your vote except YOU, and you are free to cast it however you choose (and hope it gets counted).  Independent parties are reviled by the two major parties, who have been working behind the scene for the last 30 years to dig themselves in to make damn sure a Ross Perot movement never gets started again.  That’s why the TeaBaggers have no chance.  They can’t get through the battlements and minefields laid by the GOP/Dem collusion to suppress third parties.

So, what’s the answer… we’re just fucked and we should give up?  Getting back to the topic at hand we have a 24/7 media empire that is functionally an advertising and propaganda network for the GOP.  We have a Congress that just caved in on a modest Disclosure Act that would have required the corporations that now have more power over media than real people do at least speak their names when they spend millions on propaganda.  We have a right wing Supreme Court, a Democratic Congress that looks for the wind direction and goes that way.  We have a President who worries more about what Glenn Beck might say on his program than what’s right.

Yup.  We’re pissing in the wind.  The time to stop this thing has passed.  If I would have had any sense I would have moved to Canada in 1970 when I had the chance.  At least I could have watched the train wreck rather than be one of the passengers.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

$ 50+ more billions of dollars to grow the killing
fields.  Keep voting Centrist !!!!!!! for murderers.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 10:46 pm Link to this comment

Fox news isn’t going anywhere, and the Democrat Party
will still use racist scares to get the Black vote
because the Democrat Party can’t win one state without
the black vote. Fox news serves the overlords as well
as the other MSMs to create divides in order to keep the
general populace believing their is a difference between
the two parties so they can keep the vote Centrist.
  If the selections to the cabinet didn’t tell you who
was running this country,  if the give away to Wall Street
didn’t tell you who was running this country, if the
Obamacare didn’t tell you who was running this country,
if the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster didn’t tell you who
was running this country, if education funding didn’t tell
you who was running this country, if the Patriot Act didn’t tell you who was running this country, if eves
dropping didn’t tell you who was running this country,
if dropping charges on the phone companies didn’t tell
you who was running this country, if the vote on the
Iran Sanctions Act didn’t tell you who was running this
country, if GTMO didn’t tell you who was running this
country,..............................and on and on and on
didn’t tell you who was running the show
well,  you still want to believe in a myth…...........
The U.S. will remain occupying Iraq,  the Iraqi people
will still live in poverty,  the U.S. will stay in
Afghanistan,  the U.S. will provoke a war with Iran.
The U.S. will continue to let this nation crumble while
they send billions overseas to secure resources for
International Investors,  the ecology will continue to
worsen, air traffic will continue to pollute, no
investment in our infastructure will continue to be
common place,  our food supply will become shortages,
our power grid will become too overloaded, there will
be continued investment in Nuclear power and arms,  the
Military budget will continue to grow,  buildup of
the Columbian military by the U.S. government will continue,  interference will Latin American governments
will continue
and the killing fields will continue get bloodier and
bloodier.
and you will continue believing in a myth, until
the food shortages and gas prices wake you up.

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 27 at 6:25 pm,

The Clintonites and many Conservatives in Congress are members of the DLC’s New Class that Clinton and the Republicans started in Congress:

http://www.olimu.com/journalism/texts/commentary/newclass.htm

All Democrats are not the same, but I do not throw the Democratic Party away because of greed and corruption caused by Republican mammon.  We the people will have to realize who the 70% Populace are and pull out of the Republican Party and quit vacating society by being Independents and sign into the Democratic Party and kick out the New Class and restore the Democratic Party to the populace, since the New Class has separated from the Populace; either that, or the Populace must have a new political party institutionalized with legislation to be in every way Constitutionally equal to the Republican Party and the Democratic Party.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

Then it is now clear to you JD.  Glad you understand why
Public Law 107-40 needs to be repealed

  Social Security reform will be the next Austerity
Program that the International Investors impose on
Americans.  Good luck with your vote, may the killing
fields be deep with blood for you.

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By William W. Wexler, July 27, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

Go Right…

Debunked what?

State the claim and how I’m wrong, please.

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By diamond, July 27, 2010 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

Rupert Murdoch is a fascist, and a very rich and powerful one. He got his first government elected in 1972 in Australia and he’s been playing puppeteer ever since. I could say oh well he’s old he’ll die soon but his mother’s 101 years old and he’s more than likely to make that age, so something has to be done about Rupert. Creating sensible media laws would be the first step. But, of course, Rupert hates laws and rules and regulations worse than poison and believes he’s above the law in any case. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and doesn’t know the meaning of hardship or suffering so is perfectly happy to inflict it on others. He takes his politics directly from Ayn Rand with consequences that are all too predictable.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 27, 2010 at 7:27 pm Link to this comment

Ofercince72

Section 2 - Authorization For Use of United States Armed Forces

“(a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided ‘the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001,’ or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”

(b) War Powers Resolution Requirements-

“(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.”

(2) APPLICABILITY OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS- “Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.”


“Nothing in this resolution supercedes any requirement of the War Powers Resolution.”


WAR POWERS RESOLUTION

“The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548) was a United States Congress joint resolution providing that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30 day withdrawal period, without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war. The resolution was passed by two-thirds of Congress, overriding a presidential veto.”

The Democratic House and Senate passed the War Powers Act by a 2/3 majority after Republican Warmonger, Unitary Presidential Theory advocate (“If the President does it, it isn’t against the law”) President Richard Nixon Vetoed the Bill.

As much as we would like to see otherwise, as things now stand, only Democrats or Republicans will control the Executive, and Legislative branches of Government. If there is no viable progressive third party, anything other than voting for Democrats will mean that the Republicans will be in a position of obstruction or control. Its political reality; and it can not be denied. The Democrats are the lesser of two evils, and the Democrats will be more inclined to end the wars. Those who sincerely want to see the wars end, and economic policies more friendly to average Americans,  only have one choice, any other choice is nihilistic, and will serve the greater of two evils.

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By kerryrose, July 27, 2010 at 6:35 pm Link to this comment

Anarcissie

‘Poor people give more to charity, absolutely and relatively, than rich people.’

I would love to see some real statistics to that effect.

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By A. American, July 27, 2010 at 6:00 pm Link to this comment
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Obama Thinks You’re Stupid…

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

JDMysticDJ

I the powers that be want war with Iran, it will happen,,
it doesn’t matter whether a Republican or Democrat is
in the White House.  They will no doubt use Israel to
start it.

Maybe we can stop it… I am sure the Wikileaks helped
a tad,  but probably not all that much.
It is all another big lie ..... it isn’t a democrat lie or
a republican lie,  it is a government lie.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

It doesn’t matter if it was one hour after 9/11.
it is an open ended War Powers Act that Congress has
given to the executive branch to wage war , anywhere
and anytime he cares. As long as Public Law 107-40
stands as law…...we are screwed.
If it doesn’t represent todays democrats, then they
urgently need to repeal this law quickly as possible.

  Your rationalization of the Iran Sanctions and
Disinvestment Act really doesn’t hold water JD.
The Act itself is a lie.
Then, most international scholars view it as
An Act of War.  It certainly is a prelude to war or they
wouldn’t have passed this lie.
99 - 0   Senate
408 - 8 House…..It was three republicans and five dems
against.  That lie is not making peace with Iran as
Obama promised,
Hilary Clinton can’t open her mouth without lieing anymore
It is a game JD…...but we can’t play.
The 102 Democrats…..less then one half of them are
sincere votes.
It is too late JD,  we are not going to vote ourselves
out of this,,,
I know very well that I can’t change your Democrat vote.
That is of no bother to me.
But the Austerity Programs that the International
Investors are going to impose on the good ole U.S. of A
are not going to be nice…..They have already started
The Obamacare, an austerity program
the To_Big_To_Fail bailout,  an austerity program
the coming social security reform is yet another Austerity
program that is going to be imposed on America by the
International Investors that own our debt.
Then there are going to be even more coming , whether
Sara Palin or Barrack Obama is in office. They own the
place JD,  if the way British Petroleum bossed our govern
ment around in the Gulf of Mexico the last several months
didn’t open your eyes as to just who owns and runs this
country, well JD,  you still want to believe in a myth.
That is your business, matters not to me.
This hole election process is a show, and not for us, but
for others in different parts of the world,  they could
care less even if we know they cheat on the count. We are
in a new era JD, you should get used to it and prepare for
it.
There are many posters on Truth Dig that are saying the
exact same thing as me, maybe not as persistant, but the
same message.
I enjoy everyone on Truth Dig , even the ones that don’t
care for me. (and there are many, I am sure)
I am probably not voting, or writing a McKinney or Nader
ballot again….IT’S OVER   JDMYSTICDJ we missed the boat

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By JDmysticDJ, July 27, 2010 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

Public Law 107-40 was passed on Sept. 14 2001. Three days after 9/11. It’s not representative of current Democratic attitudes. Today, the house voted for an additional 60 Billion for the wars. 102 Democrats and 12 Republicans voted against the legislation.

The Iran Sanctions and Disinvestment Act is not an authorization for war. You and I would have voted with the 6 Democrats and 2 Republicans (Paul +1,) who voted against the act. I don’t believe Obama will attack Iran. I believe that the Republicans would, if given any provocation, real or imagined.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 27, 2010 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

This was a Fox-sponsored drive-by shooting.  I heard Van Jones(?) talk about the “food fight” between the Right and the Left.

I thought “Fool!” This a s street fight, not a food fight.  Ms. Sherrod was an unlikely target picked just to throw a scare into the Left.

And it worked like a charm.  Too bad I don’t believe in Hell because there’d be a special place for Breitbart and Fox Noise.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 2:25 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA,  Public Law 107-40 that allowed
the attack on Iraq had the Democrat Party support.

  The shock and awe of Southeast Asia was sponsered
by Democrats,  the starvation of Iraq during the ninties
in which several thousand children a month died either
from starvation or not being able to get simple vaccines,
or other medicines.
  The Democrats could have immediate withdrawal from
Iraq and Afghanistan starting this minute, but they don’t.
The shock and awe of a U.S. drone continues at this
moment in parts of Padistan and Afghanistan.
The Democrats have never been the saints you portray
them to be.
Hopefully the embarassment of the Wikileaks will bring
some action to stop this genocide,
REMEMBER…..The outragous lie…...
The Iran Santions and Disinvestment Act.
Senate   99 - 0
House   408 - 8
Iran has no WMDs just like Iraq had no WMDS.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man

The attacks on Bush had nothing to do with racism. People who threw eggs at Bush did so because they hated his family legacy, and they were angry because he was an illegitimate president. People who demeaned Bush at peace demonstrations did so because he was a warmonger, and they were angry because they knew what his actions would lead to. Well here we are.

I can count on both hands the number of times you have called Eugene Robinson a bigot, and that is just a drop in the ocean when talking about Tea Party racism. Jimmy Carter and all people who are not blinded by denial, recognize Tea Party racism and the overwhelming evidence that has been documented and testified to. I personally have given you specific examples of institutional racism within the Tea Party but you ignored them, as if they didn’t exist. Why don’t you simply disavow the racist elements in the Tea Party movement like Ben Jealous requested. Is it because being honest will besmirch your right-wing agenda?

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By MarthaA, July 27, 2010 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 27 at 4:24 pm,

You have got to be kidding.  “Shock and Awe” didn’t happen under a Democrat’s watch; in fact Democrats turned it down,  Only meritless Conservative Republican EXTREMISTS devalue human life to such a degree that the Republican Conservatives started the “Shock and Awe” endless war on humanity.  There was no reason to propagandize the public and obliterate Iraq.

A Conservative is the Right-Wing EXTREME regardless of the party they hide in, and so is a Moderate. Moderate is only a means of hiding Conservatism, as there are only two political parties and two political sides; Liberal and Conservative.  Balance only comes when there is equal strength on both sides.  I would like to see someone stand in the middle of a teeter totter.  There is not a middle position.

As long as too many of the populace think they are Conservative Republican EXTREMISTS, because a Conservative Republican is an EXTREMIST, there is no way possible for the populace to get a fair shake on anything.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

There are so many that have watched the Democrats
lob just as many bombs around the world, support repressive, offensive governments all around world,
and be responsible for just as much human slaughter as
any Republican ever was,  and still

  point their finger at the Republicans as the lone evil
monster.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

William W. Wexler,

I should have written that all I watch on the FOX News Network is FOX News Sunday.  My mistake. And you could have kept reading.

It’s easy to see how mistakes and misunderstandings come about.  Like the many protesters over the last 18 months being labeled racist.  It’s certainly not as if every past U.S. president didn’t see their share of protesters - Fair or not.  It’s not as if we never witnessed Presidents Bush and Clinton burned in effigy, hung on a noose, labeled rich “white” imperialists, accused of almost every crime known to man and pilloried for every conceivable perceived grievance imaginable.  It’s not as if we didn’t witness the first President-Elect in U.S. history unable to complete the customary walk to the Capital Building due to the eggs being thrown at him in 2000.  What a bunch of liberal racist loons, yes?

I personally know of six (6) verifiable incidents of racist comments or placards amongst the several hundred thousand protesters to date.  A grand racist movement is not born from these six (6).

Why, I ask.  Why are the more liberal minded in America making such a huge issue of the current president’s skin?  Because as sure as I am breathing there are very few others doing the same.

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The charge of racism is taken seriously in the United States.  NOBODY should get away with making such a charge unless they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you or anyone else are aware of more incidents of racist attacks by those who claim to identify with the Tea Party protesters I would be more than willing to look at them.  So far, after having asked this question several dozens of times on this Web space alone, nobody has been able to point to more than can be counted on two hands.  I can count twice that amount leveled at both Presidents Bush and Clinton.  Each.  Not together. - By the way; the previous two U.S. Presidents happen to be white skinned.

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NO, I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT RACISM DOES NOT EXIST.  NO, I AM NOT SUGGESTING THAT THERE ARE NO RACIST CONSERVATIVES.  YES, I AM claiming that those who see racism at the heart of protests are the narrow-minded bigots unable to get passed past the color of the president’s skin!

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 12:18 pm Link to this comment

JD , I believe you have a very good understanding
of what happened with the talk radio garbage that has
been spewing their nonsense for a couple of decades now.
  However, please understand the Democrats hand in this
and that they have been in power at different times and
could have changed these FCC rules. In Clintons first
two years , Capitol Hill was in Democrat control,
neocon Clinton could have changed the rules.
  TV Broadcast news was in the toilet before Reagon
even came to office.
  I used to shake my head every time I heard someone say
“well, I saw it on 60 Minutes, its got to be true”
And now we have had Obama for almost two years, and no
change in FCC rules.  Are you starting to get the picture?

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By JDmysticDJ, July 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm Link to this comment

News? What news? There is no news anymore; all that’s available from so called news organizations is varying degrees of propaganda. We are on our own if we want to be well informed with factual information, we can not rely solely on news organizations.

I’ll suggest that market share and corporate sponsorship, heavily influences the way news reporting is managed, and which news stories are reported. The rationale of impartiality provides news managers (Producers) the excuse they need for discouraging stories that they fear will have a negative impact on their news show’s ability to attract sponsors, or stories that they fear will have a negative impact on their Network’s bottom line and market share, which would put the careers of news managers in jeopardy. News managers need to please their corporate masters and their corporate affiliates, and due to the systemic bureaucratic nature of corporations news managers have a natural affinity with their corporate overseers. To put it more succinctly; I believe the quest for personal “success” is obstructing the fair and balanced reporting of pertinent news, and allowing false propaganda to be disseminated without challenge.

Right up until the Gulf Coast disaster occurred BP was running an advertisement on Network news shows promoting BP as being an environmentally friendly company. Currently BP is running advertisements stating that BP is faithfully doing what they are not doing, while they ban news reporters from investigating the extent of the damage, and BP’s activities.

Some of the advertisers on Network News shows don’t sell products to ordinary consumers, and their advertisements are not intended to sell products, but are simply Public Relations vehicles for multi-national corporations. These advertisements are slick, expensive, high gloss offerings, and they are very effective at convincing those who view them of the beneficence of multi-national corporations, e.g. Defense contractors, pharmaceutical companies, chemical manufacturers, etc. Many of these advertisers have defrauded our government, bribed foreign governments, destabilized foreign governments, polluted environments here and abroad, caused sickness and death, and been convicted of corporate crime.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 27, 2010 at 12:02 pm Link to this comment

News Organizations #2

Fox News and the right wing radio broadcast Ologopolists are not legitimate news organizations, they are nothing more than well financed right wing monoliths of propaganda, whose highly paid propagandists and commentators are faux journalists without principle or scruples, but the Main Stream Media lacks the courage and principle necessary to advance the truth and serve the interests of the people by identifying these Faux news organizations for what they are. Providing facts to consumers of news and information is the responsibility of journalists, but this is not occurring because the so called Main Stream Media outlets and their managers and owners are in many ways complicit with the propagandists.

Blatant examples of the right-wing media’s distortions along with promotions of right-wing fringe groups are reported in the Main Stream Media, out of necessity, but from a neutral position lacking in principle, and lacking any sense of promoting truth and justice. Clearly the emergence of new political groups is news worthy, but promoting these emerging political groups is not journalism, it’s political action pure and simple, and not within the purview of legitimate news organizations. Of course there have been, and are, examples of biased news organizations; Pravda comes to mind, along with other examples of government controlled news organizations, and a number of news organizations from the third world which are, and have been, funded by groups from within, and from without, the country where they disseminate anti-government propaganda. Editorials are an accepted and legitimate part of journalism, but in order for a news organization to be legitimate, editorials from all sides of an issue need to be presented.

There are powerful voices on the Left that seek to counteract right-wing propagandists, and seek to advance the Left’s agenda, but these voices are simply not equally represented, because their forums lack the kind of national exposure which is provided by funding from corporate ownership, and sponsors. Left wing media outlets, not because of an inability to compete, but because of inability to gain equal access to the airwaves, are negated. Left wing radio programs have been removed from the airwaves in certain markets, not because they lacked market share, but because they were not profitable for the stations that aired them. Also, in some large market areas, left-wing news programs have been removed from basic cable packages, while right-wing news programs have not.

This phenomenon has led to another conflict between Left and Right. The Right advocates a Free Market policy for broadcasting, while some on the Left advocate regulation of broadcasting. The right will take a strict constructionist view of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, “…no law infringing on the freedom of the press.” The Left will argue a less strict interpretation of the Constitution and point to the many times in our nation’s history when the absolute freedom of the press was limited, from the “Alien and Sedition Act” through restrictions placed on the press during the Civil War, attempts to Suppress the Pentagon Papers, classified documents, and the U.S. Government labeling certain documentaries as being foreign propaganda and banning their showing in the U.S., on and on… Also, the F.C.C. was established in 1934 with the expressed purpose of regulating broadcasting, but apparently, the cable companies have been ruled exempt from F.C.C. regulation.

So where do we stand? Apparently the Left is left to the mercy of the media, in all its forms, to fulfill its responsibilities, and to activism by academics, pundits, etc. to point out to uninformed members of the electorate that they are being brainwashed by Fox News, and the Main Stream Media.

Fox News and the corporate owned, Main Stream Media, suck! And they are destroying the legitimacy of our democracy.

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By Leefeller, July 27, 2010 at 11:45 am Link to this comment

How does that work, you call someone a racist, so they have to defend themselves?  So you all are racists and I am not a racist because know some black people and have a Mexican who mows my lawn instead of the neighbor kid who is white.

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By William W. Wexler, July 27, 2010 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

By Go Right Young Man, July 26 at 12:47 pm #

All I watch is Fox News Sunday.  Just as I watch This Week, Meet The Press and Face The Nation.

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Yeah, I guess I stopped reading after you said “All I watch is Fox News Sunday”.

You can understand why someone might do that, eh?

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

  You probably have me pegged.

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By Garo, July 27, 2010 at 10:08 am Link to this comment
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Question:

Which of the following comments described Fox News best?

(A) Fox News is a WRONG NOMENCLATURE
(B) Fox News is a TRULY FIXED NEWS.
(C) Fox News is FULL OF LOUD FABRICATORS.
(D) Fox News is MORE LIKE A FOXY ENTERTAINMENT.
(E) Fox News is BASICALLY RACIST.
(F) Fox News is NEITHER “FAIR!!” NOR “BALANCED!!”. 
(G) Fox News is ALL OF THE ABOVE.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, - “Since you identified yourself as a person who gets all their news from Fox News Sunday”

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All my news from FOX News Sunday?  I wrote nothing of the kind.  It’s interesting that that’s what you read into what I have written. - I wonder if that’s what’s at play with your views on current protesters.  Might you be seeing things which are not actually there?  You’ve done this to me a few times right in this thread.

Calm yourself, please.  Stop trying so hard to be argumentative.  If that’s your only goal here I want no part in it.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

Wexler,

I took a brief look at the link you shared.

I do not care about Glenn Beck.  I do, however, care a great deal about this asinine charge of the Tea Party protesters as racists.

Mark Williams is an idiot in my opinion.  According to most reasonable people one cannot condemn the many over the actions or words of a few.  Was this not made clear when the overwhelming majority of Americans were appalled by Mr. Obama’s mentor, Rev. Wright?

The Obama/monkey/curious George signs are identical to the Bush/monkey/curious George signage which was seen for eight years amongst protesters.  In your opinion; were those who protested the previous president being racist?  Or does the identical signage only mean something awful because you note the current president’s skin color?  In other words; why are you putting so much attention on the president’s color?

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Item #1 on your list.  Debunked

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By Leefeller, July 27, 2010 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

I make all decisions about my how to live my life from what I hear and see on Fox.  It makes me feel nice and fuzzy all over to know the Obama administration does the same!

Just think, how screwed up everything would be be if the Obama administration got all their information from Comedy Central?

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By Anarcissie, July 27, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, July 27 at 12:11 pm:

‘The two stats I found most interesting was in the charitable giving of MSNBC (liberal) viewers vs FOX (conservative) viewers….’

That may have to do with income levels.  Poor people give more to charity, absolutely and relatively, than rich people.  And poor people tend to be more ideologically conservative than rich people.

If a lot of people actually believe in Fox News, rather than treat it as a source of entertainment, some sort of sociological investigation is called for.  I guess the subjects of investigation should include the Obama administration in the light of their panic about Sherrod.

It’s all sort of amazing, when you think about it.

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By William W. Wexler, July 27, 2010 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man

Since you identified yourself as a person who gets all their news from Fox News Sunday and then posted an un-sourced list of factoids about how wonderful Fox and Glenn Beck are, I mistook you as a Beckerhead.

I suspect this is not the first time this has happened.

-Wexler

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By Anarcissie, July 27, 2010 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 27 at 11:23 am:

[TV]  ‘I don’t watch any of them,  what statistic am I in???’

A long time ago I noticed a statistic that indicated that more people have sex with (non-human) animals than never watch TV.  I think that may have changed in recent years, but I think you are still a pretty serious outlier.

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By felicity, July 27, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment

Media have the capacity to distract, delude, amuse and
insulate so naturally that’s what we get - distraction,
delusion, amusement and insulation, certainly not the
‘news.’  Fox caught on to this early on and has managed
to keep a sizable audience ever since.  By now, Fox is
dispensing propaganda, not news. Where’s the little kid
yelling the emperor has no clothes when we need him.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, - “Please educate yourself…”

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First: Do not talk to me that way.  Not if you wish an authentic discourse with me.

“He (Glenn Beck) is a paranoid freak spinning lies and character smears which are easily disproved.”

Second: I’m not a Glenn Beck viewer on any regular basis.  I offer no opinions of my own on Mr. Beck.  I offered stats from Neilson/New York Times.

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By samosamo, July 27, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

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By William W. Wexler, July 27 at 8:39 am

I can believe that 99% figure. If I ever thought I had to thank
god for something it would be the good sense he gave me to
give up tv 11 years ago. I do wish I could pick up the bbc and
other foreign radio stations to listen to when I can.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, - “I don’t watch any of them,  what statistic am I in???”

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I have no idea.  Unfortunately Neilson didn’t report on your stats or opinions. smile

The two stats I found most interesting was in the charitable giving of MSNBC (liberal) viewers vs FOX (conservative) viewers.  Also it seems independent viewers, those who actually decide elections, are, today, putting their trust in FOX News.

If I find the time I’ll post another interesting insight.  It seems regular FOX News viewers are more likely to seek out other cable and broadcast news sources than MSNBC viewers are apt to seek out.  MSNBC viewers, according to Neilson/New York Times, tend to stick with MSNBC for their news of current events.  I find this sad to see.  It sheds a good deal of insight into why, on this progressive Web space, we see the phrase “Everybody Knows (blank) ____ when, in fact, in many cases they are putting forward a minority opinion.

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My biggest gripe, across the board, is a lack of context in news reporting.  It’s almost always This Is What Happened Today!  But then no context on that same situation of the previous 1, 5 and 10 years.

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By Matthew 19:24, July 27, 2010 at 8:01 am Link to this comment
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GRYM,
McDonald’s is the most popular restaurant chain but that doesn’t mean that the food is good for you.

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By William W. Wexler, July 27, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

Go_Right_Young_Man….

Glenn Beck lost a million viewers in the 9 months ending in May…

He is a paranoid freak spinning lies and character smears which are easily disproved.  Please educate yourself…

http://glennbeckreport.com/glenn-beck-lies/

And PS before you say you don’t see any lies there, why don’t you pick one out that’s not a lie and debunk me.

You can’t.

-Wexler

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

Hey,  Go_Right_Young_Man

I don’t watch any of them,  what statistic am I in???
I find them all repulsive, uninformative, and not very
amusing.  except for Fox,  they have an amusing factor,
they don’t even try to pretend they are serious.
A bunch of goof balls,  Glen Beck he is just funny…
then Hannity…...Butter boy he is fun to laugh at…
and of course,  O’Really?....The “No Spin Zone”........

  It is very,  very amusing….so I don’t have access
anymore ,,,,,  they indeed have entertainment value

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 7:14 am Link to this comment

Well Go_Right_Young_Man,  you just enjoy yourself
and your statistics.  Happy viewing and happy trails,

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By Go Right Young Man, July 27, 2010 at 6:43 am Link to this comment

Interesting….

-Fox’s morning news program enjoys more viewers than all other morning cable news programs combined.

-The O’Reilly Factor reruns enjoy more viewers than Countdown with Keith Oldermann’s prime-time programing.

-Glenn Beck has the fastest growing cable program in cable history.  His 5 P.M. program (drive-time) enjoys more viewers than Olbermann and maddow in their Prime-Times slots.

-According to Neilson/New York Times the average Fox viewer has 3.2 years of higher education under their belt compared to MSNBC viewers with 1.9 years.

-This I find highly interesting.  According to Neilson/New York Times 64% of Fox viewers give money to various charities in aid to others.  MSNBC viewers; 27%.

-This too is extremely interesting.  Independent voters, those who decide elections, were asked; “Which Cable or Network News Programs Do You Find To Be The ‘Most Reliable?’”  Fox News 64%.  MSNBC 21%.

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By Dahlia, July 27, 2010 at 5:19 am Link to this comment
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If the media would simply ignore Fox and not print what it does, it would go away.  But every time another media person comments about Fox, they get free advertisement.

Just ignore them.  Don’t give them the bully pulpit to spread their lies.

The only time I watch Fox is during the NFL football season when a football game is on their channel.

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By ofersince72, July 27, 2010 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

Rico,  you are one of the DUMBASSES

Samosamo is talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By William W. Wexler, July 27, 2010 at 4:39 am Link to this comment

rico, suave

I think samosamo is right about where most people get their news.  There are a lot of people who don’t listen to ANY news.

If you go on to read the post, they are not trying to set anyone straight. They are commenting on media ownership, where you can get the straight stuff about the US, and consumerism.  Those are all valid points to this discussion, relevant commentary on the state of media.

samosamo… 99% of American homes have at least one TV….

http://www.csun.edu/science/health/docs/tv&health;.html

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By rico, suave, July 27, 2010 at 4:26 am Link to this comment

samo:

“...the general masses(dumbstream) which
comprises maybe 70% of the people who get their information, such that it is, from this mainstream media…”

Let’s all thank God you’ve been put on this earth to set them straight.

Folks, “samosamo” is the perfect example of a tyrant-in-training. You dumb slobs have no idea what is good for you, so he’s here to tell you. He will take care of all your needs. Just give him the power.

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By Fat Freddy, July 27, 2010 at 2:23 am Link to this comment

There seems to be a reoccurring pattern, where a serious media outlet will slowly morph into a non-serious, sensationalized one.  This presents a theory as to why that occurs.  The main reason being that the media outlet begins following a shortsighted approach to its content selection.  Sensationalized refers to presenting material with embellishment, such as extremist characterizations or inflammatory presentations


http://spepost.com/blog/2010/media’s-drift-from-serious-to-sensationalized/

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By ofersince72, July 26, 2010 at 11:08 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA , don’t remember what I wrote ..but apparently
TD didn’t like it either.

  No, Fox News service will thrive, the overlords will
see to that, they need MSNBC and Fox to play their game.

To keep political dialogue about personalities rather
than issues.
That is just how most of the liberals got fooled by
the OBAMARAMA of 2008.  Didn’t care to look at the facts,
just the MSMs talking points of personality.

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By William W. Wexler, July 26, 2010 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

GRYM…

When you put it that way, it seems more agreeable.

The poll data I have is old, shows 28% of people self-identify as GOPER.

I still think this place is only center-right when people are uniformed.  So you take a group of people and show them what’s really going on, the squalor, decay, disintegration in their own country, they are either going to want to start helping bailing or build up a big fence with electric wires.

The center-right thing is dying and it’s because the GOP killed it.  They have tried to kill everything that Obama came into office to do. People who vote aren’t stupid.  They don’t get buffaloed into voting for the GOPERs because the GOPERs tell them that Obama is an evil socialist.  They want to know what’s going on right now to fix the misery.

I get a kick out of my political emails.  They’re all about raising money.  The GOP raised 11 million so we got to raise 12 million in the next 24 hours to show ‘em who’s boss.  Blah blah.

Tiring.

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By Richard, July 26, 2010 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment
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Fox News is a manifestation of sociopathy in media. Those on the Right have been masterful in exploiting the fears of the under-educated while those on the Left concern themselves with relative intangibles. The Right has just as much if not more contempt for the ‘unwashed masses’ but they pander to them so they can herd them to think tank generated viewpoints. The Left’s contempt is manifest in name-calling, like ‘rightwingers are stupid’ and ‘belief in god is stupid’, ‘rightwingers are racists’, etc., etc.
Until the Left climbs down from the clouds and trees and engages the American populace directly, the Left part of the duopoly will continue to be losers.

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By MarthaA, July 26, 2010 at 7:43 pm Link to this comment

DaveZx3, July 26 at 9:53 pm,

Conservative Right-Wing inculcation for cradle to grave.

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By samosamo, July 26, 2010 at 7:24 pm Link to this comment

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As deleterious as fux news is, the main crux is the total
mainstream media for the general masses(dumbstream) which
comprises maybe 70% of the people who get their information,
such that it is, from this mainstream media all of it owned by 4
or 5 very conservative owners who deal out the information as
they see fit or don’t deal it out. One can get more news about
america from the british broadcasting stations or al jazeera or
asian times, or russian times or globalresearch.ca., but these are
internet places, places that those msm addicts just don’t get
around going to to look for the differing sources of information.

Combine this with the past 80 years or so of consumerism and
empty tv, no make that 60 years of empty tv, and the advertizing
that is part of it, then it is no wonder people are subjecting
themselves to and believing in an unreal world. So I don’t believe
fux news will go away not until I see that it has done so.

Wonder how many or what %age of people don’t have tv?

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By DaveZx3, July 26, 2010 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment

The 2009 Gallup poll showing that only 21% of Americans identify themselves as liberal, 40% as conservative and 35% as moderate is linked below.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/120857/conservatives-single-largest-ideological-group.aspx

The US is overwhelmingly not liberal but central/right.  Why is it surprising that a network news organization would slant themselves to this audience.  After all, media is not charity.  The employees expect to be paid.

So one of those JOURNOLIST boneheads discussed the possibility of the government shutting Fox down.  A few posters on this thread have insinuated the same.

After decades of putting up with liberal biased media, the overwhelmingly conservative American public will probably not appreciate you liberals shutting down “their” news network. 

News has always been biased to one extent or another.  It was much worse 200 years ago.

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By Aaron Parr, July 26, 2010 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Rico Suave writes:
Can you imagine the uproar if that “tiny group of crackpots had been
skinheads”?

Hilarious that you ask (and I hope that this is not a serious question). Skinheads
do similar things to what these Neo Black Panthers have done quite frequently
and no one says anything about it. These events rarely if at all make the news.
So no, I can not imagine the uproar, because there should be one, but since
white on black racism is so de-rigeur few care enough to say anything about it.

Go Right Young Man:
Interesting perspective in that its fairly typical, and supports my points by
example.

My point was that attacking Faux News for its lack of substance, its
unsupported slander, its lies is ineffectual because these things are at best
secondary to viewers than the primary function of the network: cheerleading for
Team Conservative.

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By rico, suave, July 26, 2010 at 12:47 pm Link to this comment

EJ said, ““the Justice Department’s decision to scale down a voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party.”

Never mind that this is a story about a tiny group of crackpots who stopped no one from voting.”

Can you imagine the uproar if that “tiny group of crackpots had been skinheads”?

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By Go Right Young Man, July 26, 2010 at 12:23 pm Link to this comment

William W. Wexler, July 26 at 2:14 pm

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It’s certainly not worth arguing about, however, if you locate one national poll which indicates the U.S. to be “Center-Left” or “Left” it would interest me to see it.

When the democrats lose the House and take a loss in the Senate this fall I will not be writing about the growing conservative movement.  I’ll be writing on how it almost always happens in an off-election year. - The White House drops supportive seats.

You make a mistake in believing Obama won on ideological merit.  He won on change.  He won on not being Bush.

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By Beltwaylaid, July 26, 2010 at 12:01 pm Link to this comment
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When times are hard people have a tendency to judge and
blame.  The harder times get the more people will turn
to FOX and other purveyors of selective blame up to a
point where the audience realizes they’ve been had all
along.  Most likely total anarchy will reign about that
time and exercising your ‘2nd Ammendment Rights’ will
get you dead.

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By Hammond Eggs, July 26, 2010 at 10:49 am Link to this comment

And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama, and against progressives in this year’s election

There are NO progressives in the Obama Gang, nor in the U.S. Congress, at least none that have any real, substantive power.

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By William W. Wexler, July 26, 2010 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Aaron Parr:

America is full of poor, uneducated people of color. Fox makes them a target for whites who believe that any gains for “coloreds” mean losses for them.

Go right young man… bullshit.  Center right nation? LOL you lost the last election by 10 million votes.  And who got elected?  By all accounts from YOUR side, a communist marxist socialist French-lover maoist who wants to hand the reins of government over to the Politburo.

Center right?  You’re losing it.

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By wildflower, July 26, 2010 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

Re Dionne: “The End of the Fox News Era?”

Excellent article, E. J. Dionne.  I heard an interesting description of “Fox News” a few days that I believe is on target. It was by a minister that I’ve come to know and respect. He said: “Fox New is essentially political pornography with Rubert Murdoch being the ‘grand pimp of hate and racism.’  His advertisers are his ‘johns’
and his paid pundits are his ‘prostitutes’ and his viewers are the ‘voyeurs of hate and racism.’  None of it fit for the eyes and ears of our children.”

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By Anarcissie, July 26, 2010 at 9:18 am Link to this comment

The problem is that the media are going to serve first their owners and second their customers, neither of whom want to speak or hear the truth.  Fox News is just a little bit more out there than the rest.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 26, 2010 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

All I watch is Fox News Sunday.  Just as I watch This Week, Meet The Press and Face The Nation.

Hard cheese Mr. Dionne.  Fox News is the only conservative news programming available.  And Fox is beating your azz at your own game.  Deal with it and stop whining about how Fox does what you yourself do.

Gallup:  23% of Americans identify themselves as “Liberal”.  36% “Conservative”.

You have reported it yourself several times, Mr. Dionne.  The U.S. is a Center-Right nation.  It’s the reason Limbaugh dominates the radio waves and Fox dominates cable and Network programming.  O’Reilly reruns draw more viewers than does Olbermann’s prime-time programming. 

Trust in media was on a downward spiral long before Fox hit the airwaves.  You and yours no longer have the influence you once enjoyed.  Deal with it and simply start doing it better than Fox.

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By Aaron Parr, July 26, 2010 at 8:42 am Link to this comment

Hmmm… commented earlier but was not logged in… so it has not been posted.
That really annoys me about this site.

Anyway… it is good to see someone calling out Faux News on lies and slander, but
this will not bring about an end to Faux News. Faux is a symptom of not the cause
of the problem. Americans have been so desensitized by advertising and the lies
of politicians that most Americans believe the following: Media = Propaganda. You
can’t undermine the integrity of any media institution. They already are the object
of distrust.

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By Jerry Elsea, July 26, 2010 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

I agree with William Wexler that Fox News should not go away. It is cable-world
niche broadcasting that reaches a relatively small audience. Its 14-year history
evokes the Monty Python sketch “News for Parrots.” Narrator: “Good evening.
Here is the News for Parrots. No parrots were involved in an accident on the MI
today, when a lorry carrying high octane fuel was in a collision with a bollard -
- that is, a bollard and not a parrot. A spokesman for parrots said he was glad
no parrots were involved.”

The “parrots” among Fox’s viewers are incurious conservatives. Their narrow-
mindedness allows Fox news gatherers and commentators to be equally
incurious.
The Shirley Sherrod episode provides an example. Never mind that Fox didn’t
report the story until after Ms. Sherrod’s forced resignation. To view the
maliciously edited tape is to realize there’s more to it than meets the eye—
especially when the piece bears the Breitbart byline. But suspicions be damned.
Fox enjoyed the luxury of being able to report a story that seemed too good to
be true (remember the adage about that?) while knowing it could jump all over
Obama if the firing proved precipitous (which it certainly did).

Why is Fox News so influential? Because other news media and the White House
cravenly allow it to be. As MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow pointed out last week in a
smackdown of the insufferable Bill O’Reilly, Fox News’ audience may be a
runaway No. 1 among cable news networks but even O’Reilly’s top-rated show
trails non-news offerings shown at the same time.

“News for Parrots” Fox cannot set the nation’s agenda or swing elections. But it
can bully others into thinking it can.

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By Aaron Parr, July 26, 2010 at 7:49 am Link to this comment
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I applaud you for further calling to light the lies that Faux News is spreading, but I think
you engage in wishful thinking when you say that this should undermine Faux’s
credibility. Little if any of the Mainstream Media in this country has any credibility at all -
and in many respects main stream journalists deserve this. But regardless of the reason
for this, the basic fact remains: the Media = Propaganda is a widely held belief. If you
want to understand the Faux phenomenon on the “Right” then you need to face this fact.

Faux News is merely exploiting the cracks in American Culture, and perhaps widening
them, but nothing more. The American Public have lived in fantasy land - been lied to by
those in power - for so long, that the ability to discern fact from fiction has taken on
lesser importance than the belief that “they” did this to us. Faux caters to the Us versus
Them world view for a Right Wing Perspective which is much easier to plug into than
investigative reporting. Faux exists within a certain narrative that given new life with the
death of small town America. America is full of poor, angry, uneducated people. Faux
gives them a target for their anger.

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By balkas, July 26, 2010 at 7:49 am Link to this comment

An insignificant life-event, that dionne pidgeonholes in american politics, ought to be a turning point in american politics.

Note please the old trick: positing tacitly politics as existing in total isolation from usual clerico-political deceptions-lies, structure of US governance,education, morality, and not to mention reality.

Nearly all of us had at least one time smeared a person. So, there is no such thing as political lie—?all people lie.

Furthermore, we’v been educated to lie, deceive, etc., it is the american way. And it is not much better anywhere else.

How’s this one dishonest act among trillions x trillions compare with murder of aliens?
Or even people losing jobs and homes? tnx

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By Ed, July 26, 2010 at 6:57 am Link to this comment
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As much as I hate to admit it Sarah Palin is correct in calling the mainstream media the “lamestream media”.

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By William W. Wexler, July 26, 2010 at 6:06 am Link to this comment

Some interesting comments.

First, Fox News is not “going away” nor should they.  What they should do is stop referring to themselves as “Fair and Balanced” and also take the word “news” out of their network name.  Even the marginalized, lunatic fringe of the right wing has a right to bay at the moon.

Second, it is indeed the same old Fox.  But it’s not liberals talking about Fox that’s the problem.  It’s Fox.  There is “liberal news” and “conservative news”, which is a complete travesty to the American people. However, it does exist, and if liberals stop talking about it that won’t fix the problem.

Third, grouping “corporate news media” together is a false equivalency.  There are all kinds of corporate news media.  If one makes the case that Fox and MSNBC are at both ends of the conservative/liberal continuum, it is absolutely not true that MSNBC is the same kind of organization that Fox is.  They have real news reporting, and their opinion (for the most part) is fact checked and reality based.  Who is the Fox equivalent of Rachel Maddow? There isn’t one, nothing even close.  If you look at the internet, you have Drudge Report and Brietbart vs Mother Jones and Truthdig.  Which end of the continuum is giving you a better grasp of the Big Picture?

I like Fiftygig’s post the best. Sherrod got rolled by the conservative media machine and she ought to sue somebody.  I don’t know if Fox is the right lawsuit; she’ll probably need to go after Breitbart.

I wrote a satirical piece on my site last week named “Obama Hires Beck as HR Director”.  The funny thing about that is that Newt Gingrich essentially restated paragraph 7 of that piece on Fox News Sunday yesterday.  You can read my piece at http://www.glennbeckreport.com

The damage that Fox has done is ongoing and has been going on for years before the Sherrod incident.  They have purposely and with malice engaged in a war on people of color and the poor.  That is a plain fact, and that is how they can pull off the Shirley Sherrod event without firing a shot. (Fact: Fox News never said “Shirley Sherrod” before she was fired, they just leaked that Glenn Beck was going to do an hour on black racism focused on Brietbart’s video).

-Wexler

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By FiftyGigs, July 26, 2010 at 4:54 am Link to this comment

“The mainstream media and the Obama administration alike must stop cowering before a right wing…”

Good to finally see an admission of the problem (sort of), but let’s rewrite it to make it a little more cogent.

“The mainstream media must stop cowering before a right wing…”

Dionne’s piece was generous about what President Obama “must” do, although besides booking himself on tv to answer (promote) the kooks, Dionne falls a bit short on specifics.

Totally lacking is a single actionable idea that the media can employ to censure itself, arguably the most effective control for irresponsibility.

Shirley Sherrod was accosted by a man, as surely as if he’d grabbed her purse on the street. She needs to be equipped to protect herself. I hope she goes through with her lawsuit. Fox News should be sentenced to “go black” for 90 days.

If it’s good enough for Lindsay Lohan, it’s good enough for Fox.

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By richard, July 26, 2010 at 2:56 am Link to this comment
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Yeah, well, good luck with that. The end of the Fox era would be a clean win for the nation and the universe, but so far Fox is winning hands down.  This is a mess that the government can’t do much about, according to the First Amendment. The media itself would have to clean this one up. There was a time when Journalism was a respected profession, but that time is gone. I remember Dan Rather and Dan Schorr, and Woodward and Bernstein, dogging Nixon, not accepting lies for an answer. Those people were heros, doing their job as invisioned in the Constitution. The current crop are pygmies, not to disparage a noble race. Journalism doesn’t pay nearly as well as propaganda. And if one side says up is down, and the other side disagrees, we need a panel of distinguished heads from both sides to discuss it. Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?

I honestly see Fox ultimately defeating the nation, rather than the other way around. The Pen turns out mightier than the sword, after all. Even when it’s wielded by the bad guys.

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By Robespierre115, July 26, 2010 at 2:07 am Link to this comment

Corporate cable news media is useless period. MSNBC, CNN, they are not as insane as Fox, but people don’t exactly get well informed from those sources either.

As for Fox, Obama should take them on the way Venezuela is now tackling dangerous corporate propagandists. Of course he won’t because he’s a creature of the system as well.

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By MarthaA, July 26, 2010 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 26 at 4:30 am,

What Liberal journalists?  You undoubtedly mean Conservative journalists.

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By MarthaA, July 26, 2010 at 12:08 am Link to this comment

The Obama administration apparently assumed FOX News had changed, but they never will.  I agree it is time for FOX to be gone. Billionaire Rupert Murdoch is their leader and his plan is to destroy liberals, progressives, community, and unions and he pays all his propagandists and sophists really well to do his bidding, which they enjoy because he pays them so well, but it is Rupert Murdoch that is the root cause behind all the Hitleresque propagandizing that is done at FOX News.

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