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Posted on Jul 25, 2010

By E.J. Dionne, Jr.

The smearing of Shirley Sherrod ought to be a turning point in American politics. This is not, as the now trivialized phrase has it, a “teachable moment.” It is a time for action.

The mainstream media and the Obama administration alike must stop cowering before a right wing that has persistently forced its own propaganda to be accepted as news by persuading traditional journalists that “fairness” requires treating extremist rants as “one side of the story.”

And there can be no more shilly-shallying about the fact that racial backlash politics is becoming an important component of the campaign against President Obama, and against progressives in this year’s election.

The administration’s response to the doctored video pushed by right-wing hit man Andrew Breitbart was shameful. The obsession with “protecting” the president turned out to be the least protective approach of all.

The first reaction of the Obama team was not to question, let alone challenge, the video. Instead, it assumed that whatever narrative Fox News might create mattered more than anything else, including the possible innocence of a human being outside the president’s inner circle. She could be sacrificed without a thought.

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Obama complained on ABC’s “Good Morning America” that Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack “jumped the gun, partly because we now live in this media culture where something goes up on YouTube or a blog and everybody scrambles.” But it’s his own apparatus that turned “this media culture” into a false god.

Yet the Obama team was reacting to a reality: the bludgeoning of mainstream journalism into looking timorously over its right shoulder and believing that “balance” demands taking seriously whatever sludge the far right is pumping into the political waters.

This goes way back. Al Gore never actually said he “invented the Internet,” but you could be forgiven for not knowing this because the mainstream media kept reporting he had.

There were no “death panels” in the Democratic health care bills. But this false charge got so much coverage that last August, an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 45 percent of Americans thought the reform proposals would likely allow “the government to make decisions about when to stop providing medical care to the elderly.” That was the summer when support for reform was dropping precipitously. A straight-out lie influenced the course of one of our most important debates.

The traditional media are so petrified of being called “liberal” that they are prepared to allow the Breitbarts of the world to become their assignment editors. Mainstream journalists regularly criticize themselves for not jumping fast enough or high enough when the Fox crowd demands coverage of one of their attack lines.

Thus did Andrew Alexander, The Washington Post’s ombudsman, ask why the paper had been slow to report on, as he put it, “the Justice Department’s decision to scale down a voter-intimidation case against members of the New Black Panther Party.”

Never mind that this is a story about a tiny group of crackpots who stopped no one from voting. It was aimed at doing what the doctored video Breitbart posted set out to do: persuade Americans that the Obama administration favors blacks over whites.

And never mind that, to her great credit, Abigail Thernstrom, a conservative George W. Bush appointee to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, dismissed the case and those pushing it. “This doesn’t have to do with the Black Panthers,” she told Politico’s Ben Smith. “This has to do with their fantasies about how they could use this issue to topple the [Obama] administration.”

Instead, the media are supposed to take seriously the charges of J. Christian Adams, who served in the Bush Justice Department. He’s a Republican activist going back to the Bill Clinton era. His party services included time as a Bush poll watcher in Florida in 2004, when on one occasion he was involved in a controversy over whether a black couple could cast a regular ballot.

Now, Adams is accusing the Obama Justice Department of being “motivated by a lawless hostility toward equal enforcement of the law.”

This is racially inflammatory, politically motivated nonsense—and it’s nonsense even if Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh talk about it a thousand times a day. When an outlandish charge for which there is no evidence is treated as an on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand issue, the liars win.

The Sherrod case should be the end of the line. If Obama hates the current media climate, he should stop overreacting to it. And the mainstream media should stop being afraid of insisting upon the difference between news and propaganda.

E.J. Dionne’s e-mail address is ejdionne(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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By Inherit The Wind, August 3, 2010 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

You are right, GRYM. I really, REALLY hate people who want to tear down our Constitution for short-term political gains.  I HATE people who hide behind Christianity and National Security as an excuse to create a fascist state.  I HATE people who want to re-institutionalize racism to benefit White people, who are still, easily the dominant race in America.


Yup.  I’m filled with hate for them.  And I make no apologies for it.

But I don’t hate you, GRYM.  I merely pity you as a totally deluded fool.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 3, 2010 at 9:49 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “I KNEW you’d defend their desire to tamper with the 14th Amendment.’

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LMAO…what you KNEW is that I wouldn’t buy the hate you peddle.

Geeesus…this is becoming insane.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 3, 2010 at 8:26 am Link to this comment

Gave Republicans Your Mind:

I KNEW you’d defend their desire to tamper with the 14th Amendment.  Repeal, amend—it’s CONSTITUTIONALLY the same thing (Check how our fundamental LEGAL structure actually works, will you?) You don’t “amend” Amendments. You repeal and (maybe) replace them.  That’s how it works, no matter how you spin the slimy words of Kyl and Graham.

I’m sure Kyl would like to “amend” the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th and 8th Amendments as well—all in the name of our being a “Christian” nation and for our “security”.

Thankfully, the amendment process is very, very difficult and only one major notable mistake has been made (the 18th Amendment—Prohibition).

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By Leefeller, August 3, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

Windy One?

Talking to ones self is the second sign that things may not be tidy in the Belfry!

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By Go Right Young Man, August 3, 2010 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Windy One,

I will speak for myself.

I do not support repealing the 14th amendment.  I support LARGE AMOUNTS of legal immigration as the U.S. will need the labor and high-tech brain-trust in the near future.  I welcome all immigrants who enter the U.S. legally.  In LARGE AMOUNTS -  You see, I’m not bound up by “self-loathing” and a “misplaced sense of guilt” in regards to the U.S. being, first and foremost, a nation of laws.

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You sure know how to take your cues from the haters amongst us.  If you drop the blinding hatred a whole new world will open up before you.

For example:  If you drop the blinding bigotry you will see how poor the reporting is on the Huffington Post.  You’ll see first-hand how Olbermann/Maddow simply repeat any and all nonsense which happen by their collective up-turned noses.

Did you, in any way, take the time to wonder why the Huffington Post story regarding Kyl was “reported” anonymously?  Why nobody would attach their name to this asinine story?

Did you put in the effort to read the CBS transcript yourself?  Of course you didn’t.  Hey, if it appears in the Huffington Post, and regurgitated on MSNBC, it’s good enough for you.

Of course none of that matters, does it?  You have Sarah (Lying Biatch) Palin saying things which, never once, passed her lips.

I’ll insist the same for Kyl as I did for Palin.  Post his exact words “calling to repeal the 14th Amendment”.

You see, Windy, I saw Face The Nation myself.  I took the time to read the transcript.  I NEVER rely so heavily on the mind-numbing idiocy of the media. That’s how I can write with all certainty that Sen. Kyl never said he was for repealing the 14th Amendment. Not Even Once.

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Sen. Lindsey Graham:  I also beg you to understand the difference between “Repeal” and “Amend”

Geeesus…. when will you learn to drop the blinding hatred and simply listen?  This is idiocy having to waist time with such stupid crap.  Good Lord.

BTW:  It sure is clear that an election is only 90 days away.  Any Moonbat charge is thrown out there in Belt-way Land.

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By Leefeller, August 3, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

A little caucus here, a little caucus there, everywhere a big….. caucus! Sounds as if we are back to Lincolns two drunks fighting in the street again. when it’s over they are wearing each others coats!

Teabaggers are no different; well as far as smarts go; teabaggers will be caucused by someone! You know in politics with all this closet caucusing going on, it almost sounds incestuous, well after all, they are called the good old boys for a reason!

When conjuring up a little thought mixed with reason, the insanity of it all dove tails with Fox Not the News and the alleged high ratings in the all so sharp minds of Teabaggers.  For as minions they seem to be needing when they want to hear evil or see evil sort of like the three monkeys who were doing the opposite and what the the third monkey was doing evades me right now.

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By Inherit The Wind, August 3, 2010 at 4:48 am Link to this comment

I next look forward to GRYM defending John Kyl’s call to repeal the 14th Amendment, a repeal which Lindsey Graham supports.

I find it ironic that GRYM continues to defend the teabaggers and GOP against charges of racism as the leaders of the GOP, especially the SOUTHERN WHITE leaders of the GOP (like Kyl and Graham) continue to try to dismantle the legal framework established to protect our nation from slavery, segregation and racially-based discrimination, and with it, the sanctioned violence against minorities (There have been more people lynched in the South than died in the WTC)

The attack on the 14th Amendment removes any and all pretenses that the GOP and the so-called “Conservatives” are not actively racist.

Ironic that the 14th Amendment was originally a GOP-supported amendment.  But that was when the Southern White racists were all Democrats.  They quit with the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act forced through by “that race traitor”, Lyndon Johnson (IMHO, that was the best moment of his presidency).  What a change from 1865 to 1965!

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By Go Right Young Man, August 3, 2010 at 4:08 am Link to this comment

MarthaA, August 1 at 7:20 pm Link to this comment

I am EXTREMELY pleased to hear that the EXTREME White House Correspondents Association didn’t give the White House Press Corp’s EXTREME front row seat vacated by EXTREME Left-Wing anti-Semite Helen Thomas

LMAO….....

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The End of the Fox News Era?

Helen Thomas’ Front-Row Seat Goes to AP; Fox News Moves Up


The changes were approved by the board of the White House Correspondents Association.

“It was a very difficult decision,” the board said in a statement, noting that it “received requests from Bloomberg and NPR in addition to Fox for relocation to the front row and felt all three made compelling cases. But the board ultimately was persuaded by Fox’s length of service and commitment to the White House television pool.”

The changes marked the third time in four years that the seating chart has been addressed, and the board noted that it “will be revisited again as our industry evolves.”

Thomas’ seat opened up after Hearst Newspapers forced her to retire amid wide-spread public uproar over her comments that Jews should “go back to Poland or Germany.”

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Medium Madders

The highest rated cable news commentator, Bill O’Reilly, says Negros should go back to Africa!

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By ofersince72, August 2, 2010 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

Well , how do you like….........

you still hangin with th dems, kinda funny,

horray for democrats,  horray for Go_Right_Yound_Man,,,


I apologized,  this country running on aoll eight.
agreat place,,,pnnnppppp   no problems here…..

god bless vcapitolhill..!!!!!!!!theyaremiricleworkers}}}}
all of them ,  doe god hings for public..
i soorri offendied….LO DI KILL KILL KILL KILL DUBYASAYS
KILL,EEMM ALL IF NOT AMRERICANS DEAD IN FACE..KILLEM.
NANCYSAID KILLEM TOOO

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By MarthaA, August 2, 2010 at 8:32 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, August 2 at 9:35 pm,

I have long since been a girl, but thank you, and I will defend your right to be as ignorant as you want to be, but I do not defend sophism and propaganda to antagonizes the populace to violence, which is what Rupert Murdoch conservatism does with his Faux News Network and all his hired conservative mercenary Hitleresque propagandists.  In the name of Jesus, our Father God will in some way tone down the vile Faux News Network rhetoric or get rid of them one, because they are getting too carried away.  Just check Media Matters For America http://mediamatters.org/  if you want to know how badly the Faux Network is trying to tear down the infrastructure that supports the populace and the president,  and cause civil war in one way or the other.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 2, 2010 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

Martha, “You are defending subjective propaganda and sophistry…..”

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Every Sunday mornin.  You betcha wink

I’m also defending your right to be so EXTREMELY prescient on past and current events inside the Belt-Way.

That’s our girl.

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By MarthaA, August 2, 2010 at 5:18 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, August 2 at 8:30 pm,

You are defending subjective propaganda and sophistry for news, which too many people use as a way of escaping reality, because it’s there, and the Faux News Network propagandists oblige, as they are paid highly by Rupert Murdoch whether they have advertisers or not, because propagandizing the populace is Murdoch’s business, his only business.

Senator Bernie Sanders says , “Rally the People”

“This upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class which has made the United States the envy of the world. In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country.”


http://www.commondreams.org/video/2010/08/02-0

And, Alan Greenspan said yesterday that the U.S. government will go down if the tax cuts to the wealthy oligarchs are continued and not stopped.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 2, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

Martha,

Break out the libations.  Let me be the first to congratulate you on your prescience.

FOX NEWS, the highest rated television news outlet in the whole of the United States, the network more people view in the morning, in the afternoon and in the evening, the station whom over 67% of independent voters find to be the “Most Reliable”, whereas Bill O’Rielly’s late night reruns enjoys a higher share than all of MSNBC’s “EXTREME” Left-Wing prime-time line-up today got Helen Thomas’s EXTREME FRONT ROW SEAT in the EXTREME White House briefing room.

EXTREMELY awesome.  wink  You Betcha!

It matters none to me as I typically only tune into Fox News Sunday, however, you must be EXTREMELY overjoyed.

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, August 1 at 7:41 pm,

Silly and aimless, you say.  FOX News Network was right up there trying to get the front seat for their propaganda machine of sophistry.

I am just thankful and Praise the Lord that the FOX News Network didn’t get their way, for that would have given their sophism and propaganda credibility and propaganda and sophistry as news doesn’t deserve any credibility at all.

Largely because of Rupert Murdoch and his Faux News Network, I agree that all media has been corrupted with conservatism; Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets, especially his FOX News Network of faux news is the absolute worse and leads other networks to follow in their vile footsteps; no media network to date is as vile as the FOX News Network as documented by Media Matters For America at http://mediamatters.org  and the sooner the FOX News Network of propaganda and sophistry can be shut down the better this world will be.

Do you know what politics is?

Leadership of constituents in their best interest and non-constituents AGAINST their best interest.

Do you know what propaganda is?

Binary EMOTIONAL rhetoric to sway discussion to whatever one is trying to sell. 

Do you know what sophistry is?

Deceitful lies that can be easily covered up.

Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network and all his media outlets are selling to the populace through daily strong propaganda and sophistry, Conservatism to the exclusion of innovation or Liberalism, which should be deemed as being a traitor to the country, as the country can’t continue as a whole without both Liberalism and Conservatism.  Rupert Murdoch’s Media Networks are in the process of destroying the United States from within.  IMHO, Rupert Murdoch and his propagandists should be put on trial for crimes against humanity and the Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network and all his media enterprises closed down completely.

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By ofersince72, August 1, 2010 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

You see Martha,  that is the problem, we ponder
silly aimless questions like ,who gets the front seat,
and not why all the reporters ask such softball questions.

Fox news isn’t going anywhere Martha and are little worse
than the rest.

I call it the Aztec syndrome MarthaA.
We only have one account of Aztec history, Cortez’s
secretary, in order to justify the Spanish genocide,
he wrote of mass human sacrifice. His account is the
only one written.
The world accepted this and taught it.
Do you believe just because one man wrote this?
Who had a vested interest in reporting this like this.
Because Human Rights groups in Spain at the time were
complaining about mass genocide practiced by the
conquistadors…..
What do you believe?
I don’t believe Cortez!!!

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By Leefeller, August 1, 2010 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment

Wexler,

“Eggshell ass”. Teabaggers sounds almost funner then what GRYM conjures up, seems right out of Mad Mag!+ From now on “Eggshell asses” it is!

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 3:20 pm Link to this comment

I am pleased to hear that the White House Correspondents Association didn’t give the White House Press Corp’s front row seat vacated by Helen Thomas to the FOX Faux-News Network, the right-wing noise machine’s key propaganda outlet.

While I wish that the seat could have gone to NPR, I am delighted that the Associated Press got the seat, instead of FOX Faux-News.

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Broken bones, crushed skulls.  LOL

Not true.  However, according to this account, a life-threatening case of “eggshell ass”.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/08/10/late-night-kenneth-gladney-stars-in-joe-the-dumber/

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By Inherit The Wind, August 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

Yet another GRYM red herring…laced in insults.

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 11:09 am Link to this comment

It is true that all corporate media is corrupted with Conservatism trying to destroy Liberalism, socialism, democracy, community, unions, progressives, and President Obama, but Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network and Murdoch’s other media outlets are the epitome of conservatism’s corruption as logged daily by Media Matters For America at http://mediamatters.org/.

There are way too many Conservatives still in Congress for there to be any real change. Conservatives are not for change at all, it is the nature of Conservatism.

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By MarthaA, August 1, 2010 at 11:07 am Link to this comment

It is true that all corporate media is corrupted with Conservatism trying to destroy Liberalism, socialism, democracy, community, unions, progressives, the populace, and President Obama, but Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network and Murdoch’s other media outlets are the epitome of conservatism’s corruption as logged daily by Media Matters For America at http://mediamatters.org/.

There are way too many Conservatives still in Congress for there to be any real change. Conservatives are not for change at all, it is the nature of Conservatism.

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

“Thats it all the people on TD should become Teabaggers and teach them how to use half their brain!”

Damning with faint praise…

:-\

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By Leefeller, August 1, 2010 at 8:38 am Link to this comment

If a number of people with half a brain plus maybe able to use a limited degrees of reason could join the tea party and carcass the existing Teabaggers like the Republicans seem to have been able to do in the Democratic party. Now then you would possibly see a third party with half a brain instead of the knee jerk donkey and pony show seen now by the Teabaggers!

Maybe I should join the Teabaggers and bring my old flint-stock with me and I already am prejudicial towards people who I find different and especially people who do not think exactly like I do! Yeah! ...Thats it all the people on TD should become Teabaggers and teach them how to use half their brain!

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

“What, exactly, will it take to get you to end your maliciousness? “

Well, according to the TeaBaggers, a bullet in the head. That’s what you’re all about, political revolution by the gun.  You’re so far right you’re left.  Or maybe you’re radical Islamist.  It’s hard to tell the difference.  You demonize your political enemies, you yell “God is great” in public places, but so far you haven’t started shooting your guns into the air.  So far.

LOL what pathetic excuses for a human beings.  You have become a parody of yourselves, like this drunk who got pulled over on his way to shoot up some organization that Glenn Beck told him to.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/glenn-becks-incendiary-an_b_660429.html

I am working on a page about Glenn Beck, the domestic terrorist.  He should be in Gitmo.

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

I JUST WANT A COPY OF THIS FOR POSTERITY…

“By Go Right Young Man, August 1 at 10:48 am #

Wexler,

Watch, Little One.  Watch as your last few elementary school rants disappear like “a fart in a wind tunnel”  LOL

You’ll be posting here a very short time.  Poof.  Never to be heard from again. LOL….

Thank God you represent the insignificant, minuscule and bigoted, minority on the planet.  Your kind of small-minded hate has no place amongst thinking humans.

Bye bye, Little Boy.  wink ”

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By Go Right Young Man, August 1, 2010 at 7:45 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You see, yes?  You see what your type of thinking leads so many toward?  Wexler’s small-minded intolerance and an inability to even imagine anyone disagreeing with an extremely fixed set of views.

It’s certainly not hard to imagine what SEIU thugs were thinking as they clubbed Kenneth Gladney and called him a %igger, is it?

It’s not hard to imagine how small one must be, how intolerant one must be, how full of anger and hate one must be to brutally beat a man and break his legs.  To crush the skull of a woman for simply attending a political fundraiser, is it?

But it’s easy for, all too easy in fact, to imagine name calling and spitting by “those other” people.  How offended must be your sensibilities over mean names and saliva.

I hope you feel a sense of great pride in all you sow.  In all those who share in spreading your brand of hate, fear and intolerable violence!

What, exactly, will it take to get you to end your maliciousness?

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By Go Right Young Man, August 1, 2010 at 6:48 am Link to this comment

Wexler,

Watch, Little One.  Watch as your last few elementary school rants disappear like “a fart in a wind tunnel”  LOL

You’ll be posting here a very short time.  Poof.  Never to be heard from again. LOL…. 

Thank God you represent the insignificant, minuscule and bigoted, minority on the planet.  Your kind of small-minded hate has no place amongst thinking humans.

Bye bye, Little Boy.  wink

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Hey Davez,

Do you have an extra copy of the “Progressive Handbook”?  I’ve been looking for one but all the communist and Nazi bookstores I frequent are sold out.  Can’t keep them on the shelves.

I guess the Regressive Handbook is serving you well.  Try to discount the topic at hand by cramming 5 pounds of George Bush shit into a one pound shitbag.  If you were trying to make a point with the “Al Gore ... internet” thing, you didn’t.  Why?  Well, first off, because what you did was a quickie dishonest and clumsy slight-of-hand to take Al Gore’s words out of context.  It worked for some idiots in the 2000 general election, but we’ve had 10 years to get our “playbook” straight on that point.  The second reason you FAILED is because I called you out with a quote from the techie-types who actually DID “invent the internet” and they agreed with Gore’s statement.  Oh oh, your bad.  You made yourself look like an idiot by trying to repeat the Bush lie, then you said liberal media were wrong about the quote when actually the media ran with Bush and screamed it to the rafters for 3 months, then you got bitch-slapped by an Area Man with The Google who can find facts.

As far as the rest of your rant, you are obviously disturbed, as you see all kinds of things that don’t exist.  When I think of people like you, I think of people cowering with fear of conspiracy theories, most of them designed directly and specifically to get whatever gold you have buried in your back yard.

They have pills for you, Dave.

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By William W. Wexler, August 1, 2010 at 5:50 am Link to this comment

“It’s also clear that your time here on TruthDig is limited.  Children who can’t control themselves get sent to their rooms and are banned from commenting here.

Good-bye to you, little boy. “

Go fuck yourself.  You don’t tell me what time I have anywhere.  Who the fuck do you think you are, sonny?  To me you’re nothing, just a fart in the wind tunnel. 

It’s been obvious from your first post here that you’re a child and a flaming Beckerhead. Careful, don’t tell anyone where you’re stockpiling your gold dollars and your bottled water in the treehouse. “Don’t speak to me like that” you said… the rest of the sentence is “... or I’ll wet my panties and tell my Mama.!”

Shit-for-brains.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 1, 2010 at 5:40 am Link to this comment

DaveZ,

I forgot to mention the most widely used tactic here and other places.

Never, I repeat NEVER, answer a direct question that may run counter to what you believe.  Simply turn the question or questioner into something completely unrecognizable.  This way nobody can ever point out the vile bigoted crap you happen to say.

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By Go Right Young Man, August 1, 2010 at 5:24 am Link to this comment

DaveZ, - “I am currently undertaking a study to determine if they do that consciously to deceive, or if they are just lacking in good reading comprehension and composition.”

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It’s incredible, yes?

I find that the most egregious things being said about “others” are the things the “others” never actually said or did.  Most often those egregious accusation are the result of, in the case of ITW, an overactive imagination and the lost art of authentic listening.

Here is how it typically plays out, Dave:

“Don’t you dare attempt to widen my world-view with your facts, GYRM.’  ‘I have all these opinions from others who think as I do supporting my views.”  See, GYRM?  See others are writing the very same I write.  It’s now a “FACT!”

or

“Don’t you F*%king talk to me.” 

“And don’t you dare bring that point of view around here.  ‘I’ll G*?mn never *^&%#*# watch a Glenn #*&^#% Beck program or read the full text of a *&^%$#& Palin speech.  I’ll never lower myself to listen to that *&%# - #%*&^% other azz$%le point of view.  I won’t have it. You hear?  I’ll just not listen or hear any other point of view”.

Usually what follows next is something on the order of how people like Glenn Beck is a big fat meanie….LOL

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By Go Right Young Man, August 1, 2010 at 4:49 am Link to this comment

Wexler,

Educate myself by reading from your favorite progressive set of opinions?  It’s easy to see what you think an “education” is all about.  Never listen to or watch a Glenn Beck program.  Simply wait to be “instructed” by others on how to think.

I read from the Huffington Post on almost a daily basis.  How about I do even better than that?  How about I simply study at the Web sites for the Project for the New American Century and Red State?  If all I need is to fill myself with others opinions I’ll be all set.

Clearly you have no capacity for original thought.  You’re a good little follower.

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It’s also clear that your time here on TruthDig is limited.  Children who can’t control themselves get sent to their rooms and are banned from commenting here.

Good-bye to you, little boy.

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If one network MSM stinks with deception and lies,
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  The wrong subject is getting debated once again.
The problem is all of mainstream.
 
This debate on here is what the overlords love.

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By William W. Wexler, July 31 at 3:02 pm #

“So shut up.  He never said he invented it, he said he took the initiative and he was telling the truth.  HE DID take the initiative.  Get your fucking facts straight.”

Word games!!!!!!!  You left out the word “create” from the Gore quote.  The actual Gore quote is, “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in “creating” the Internet”

Gore was elected to Congress in 1976. The internet was essentially created well before that for the most part.  Gore did promote it somewhat after it was essentially created, but he did not create it, not did he help create it.  The full statement was untrue.

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!!! 

You practice those progressive media and political word manipulation techniques, which I criticize Dionne for.  You comment on a statement, but leave out the key word, words or ideas of the main point, making your criticism seem valid.  Then you attack the person who made the statement with harsh and obscene words, such as, “Get your fucking facts straight.”

This tactic, in the progressive’s pea brain and the pea brains of other non-discerning individuals, is a sufficient and effective counter to the threat of the opinion they do not agree with. 

The anger and obscenity usually following up the basic expression of intolerance toward the objectionable opinion or statement is based on the subconscious knowledge that the opinion or statement is actually or probably true. 

When confronted by truth, the best tactic, according to the progressive handbook, is to rant and rave and curse and divert and blame others (mostly of intolerance and racism)  Nice trick, but it is getting pretty old.

Yes, as you say, Gore took the “initiative”, (whatever that entails)  but he did not “create” as he said he did.  What about that point is so hard for you to comprehend?

Anyway, my previous comments were not about whether Gore created or invented, whatever, but were about the way the politicians, media, bloggers and commenters, etc. manipulate words to create an illusion of “truth”.

I am currently undertaking a study to determine if they do that consciously to deceive, or if they are just lacking in good reading comprehension and composition.  Do you mind me asking why do you do it (why you left out the word “created”)?

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Oh, and changing the subject to SEIU beating “niggers” is EXACTLY what you accused ITW of doing, isn’t it?
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Yup, he does both…brings in irrelevancies and accuses others of doing just that.  I SAW the video of the teabagger spitting on the Congressman, but GRYM denies that’s what I saw.  Just like he denies a teabagger who tried to bring a loaded gun to a public event Obama was appearing at was a threat to the President.  He also tries to deny that Sarah Palin tried to turn Jealous’s denunciation of the racism in the teaparty into an accusation of Palin being a racist.

Now he’s trying to convince that a) Glenn Beck isn’t actively promoting violence against liberals and progressives, and b) that when Beck is, he doesn’t represent “Conservative” thinking.  GRYM uses this argument structure all the time. What you see isn’t what you see, but when it is, it isn’t mainstream “Conservatism”  (yet the NBPP, a few crackpot hot-heads represents all liberals and progressives—see how hypocrisy runs?)

As I like to quote Chico Marx in “Duck Soup” saying to Margaret Dumont:

“Well, who you gonna believe? Me, or your own eyes?”

Only the fundamentally stupid or deluded can believe GRYM’s arguments.  I don’t believe HE believes them—he just uses them as ammunition to defend his “team”, regardless.

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

Educate yourself.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-boehlert/glenn-becks-incendiary-an_b_660429.html

And stop carrying those fucking guns around, it makes you look stupid.  And stop saying you’re going to “take the country back”.  No you’re not.  You rightwing fuckers lost by 10 million votes in 2008 which is a mandate and we’re going to get it done.  One thing at a time.

Yes, “Barry” the “socialist marxist communist Nazi (he’s Barack the Magic Negro, which allows him to be all that at the same time PLUS the member of the muslim faith AND Reverend Wright’s Xtian church!)

You need a new schtick and when you get it I hope somebody crams it up your ass for you.  You teabaggers are what’s wrong with this country, it’s a case in point of how you can give people the best education money can buy and they end up with fucking teabags on their hats wagging around signs of Obama as Hitler, etc. 

Glenn Beck is a fucking idiot.  I can’t believe there’s a person on THIS board of all places who would sit there and argue as incoherently for Beck and the TeaBaggers.  They are GOP Crazy.  They are the rightest of the right, the whitest of the white. 

So answer me these questions and maybe I’ll answer yours:

1) When you masturbate, do you use the picture of Glenn Beck on his set or the one with his hot wife?
2) How long has it been since you spit on a black congressman for walking into the capital to vote for health care reform?

Pfffffffffft.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment

Wexler,

I know of three violent incidents against Tea Party attendees over the past 11 months.  Two of those with video and police reports documenting purple-shirted SEIU members as the aggressors. - There were dozens of witnesses. 

One of these incidents involved a black vendor to the event.  The video of the violent incident appears to corroborate eye-witness accounts of the attackers yelling at the man and calling him a Nigger. 

Yet another incident resulted in a man having the tip of his finger bitten off at a Tea party gathering by two very angry individuals protesting against the gathering.

In May of this year a female GOP fundraiser was exiting an party event in New Orleans when she and her boyfriend were brutally assaulted by several people.  The woman suffered a fractured skull and her friend, if memory serves, a broken leg and severe lacerations about the head and face.

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At this point only you know if you posses the strength of your convictions.  So answer two direct questions in an concise, un-abusive, up-right manner.  Otherwise I have no further patients for you.

How often do you watch or listen to Glenn Beck’s programs?

How many incidents of violence are you aware of coming from Tea party organizers, or event attendees, toward other people or groups?

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

What does the amount of time I spend watching Beck have to do with the strength of my convictions? I don’t have to be a lemming to find out I can’t swim to Greenland.

The shit part of this sale is the line of shit you’re giving me about SEIU and some video.  If it’s all over the internet” then it must be very important, right? Except if it’s the video I think you’re talking about it doesn’t prove anything.  There is nothing but a bunch of people screaming and you can’t see anything about what happened.  It has no context.  Was anyone charged and convicted? 

It doesn’t matter how much time I spend watching Beck.  It’s totally irrelevant.  So I’m not going to answer your question.  It has nothing to do with this discussion, and your persistence in asking it just proves that you are desperate to argue about anything except what we’re talking about, namely whether there are lies on my lies page that are either not lies or not debunked.

Regarding the SEIU video, it’s not only irrelevant, it’s doubly irrelevant. I think you’re trying to say that the SEIU attacked a black teabagger so therefore the SEIU or “my side” is racist? That’s really fucking lame.  It was a black guy who said that a black guy attacked him.  So how is that racist?

Now you either explain why you want to know this or stop asking about it.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

Wexler,

You presented many opinions on FOX News.  your have a particular interest in Glenn Beck.  You presented your Glenn Beck Report and the list of Glenn Beck Lies.  You wished me to attempt to debunk anything on the site.  I was clear in that Beck is of little real interest to me.  I did, however, take a look at your list.

I chose the top of the list on that particular day - Glenn Beck opining on the Tea Party as a racist group.  I answered your question very directly.  An opinion is not a fact any place on the globe. 

Now, after all that, you seem to find it difficult to answer two direct questions regarding your views.  You either have the strength of your convictions or you’re selling Shinola you, yourself, would not think of buying.

I will ask again.


1.  How often do you watch or listen to Glenn Beck’s programs?

2.  Have you ever seen the video of several SEIU union members at a Tea Party event beating a black man with a club and calling him a Nigger?  It’s all over the internet.

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment

Oh oh, here comes the ad hominem.

Duck everybody!

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 11:28 am Link to this comment

Wexler,

BTW:  Your odd list of “Beck lies’ very specifically claims the Tea party protesters, as a whole, are racist.  You have never claimed, in this thread or the list you enjoy so, that only SOME Tea Party protesters are racist.

How about getting your own “Facts” straight…..LOL

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

Wexler,

Now try answering some direct questions.

1.  How often do you watch or listen to Glenn Beck’s programs.  He appears to be an object of great fixation for you.

2.  Have you ever seen the video of several SEIU union members at a Tea Party event beating a black man with a club and calling him a Nigger?  It’s all over the internet.

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

GRYM

You are trying to steal the argument by resorting to the fallacy of Appeal to Popularity.  OUCH.

Oh, and changing the subject to SEIU beating “niggers” is EXACTLY what you accused ITW of doing, isn’t it?

My interest in Glenn Beck is to make sure that every time he opens his piehole and a lie dribbles out that it gets noted and debunked.  You Beck apologists used to be amusing but now you’re a real bore.  You’re wrong and you make accusations you can’t back up.

Hmmmm… where have I heard that before….?

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment

“Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn noted that, “as far back as the 1970s, Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises.”

So shut up.  He never said he invented it, he said he took the initiative and he was telling the truth.  HE DID take the initiative.  Get your fucking facts straight.

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By DaveZx3, July 31, 2010 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

Dionne has mainstream media tactics down pat.  You know, you twist the meanings of words to say something “technically correct” and false at the same time. 

This is an example, when he states in this article:

“Al Gore never actually said he “invented the Internet,”

What Gore actually stated, according to the written transcript of the interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999, was:

“During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet”

So Dionne is technically correct and wrong at the same time, Gore did not say he “invented” the internet, but he did say he “created” the internet.

These stupid-ass word games play out in the mouths of stupid-ass politicians, left and right, daily.  And even more so on these stupid-ass blog sites. 

“I did not have ““sex”” with that women”.  Is one of my all time favorites. 

There are no “death panels” true enough, but there are provisions for rationing.  It is happening in Britain for a fact.  If people die because of health care rationing, who am I to begrudge you declaring the decision makers a “death panel”.  It’s just word games. 

The New Black Panther Party is not a story because Dionne says, “this is a story about a tiny group of crackpots who stopped no one from voting”  But those crackpots also advocate killing “crackers” and their babies.  Besides, how does Dionne know some people did not just walk on by when they saw the “nightstick, did he interview ever citizen in the area? 

Progressives are scared shitless of Glenn Beck, not because he is a crackpot, spewing hate speech and racial bigotry, but because of the exact opposite.  He gets a lot of big stories right.  Like the Chicago Climate Exchange, and the 10 trillion dollar carbon trading market. 
 
Since JOURNOLISTS, are not interested in truth anymore, but political agendas, why be so paranoid about Beck?  What is it the progressives are so paranoid about?  Why does Glenn Beck have them so nervous that they fired the Sherrod lady before they even heard the story?  And look how fast Van Jones disappeared from the White House.  You don’t do these things because you fear a crackpot.  Crackpots are very easy to disarm, you do it with TRUTH. 

If it were true that Beck was a lying, racist, he would not even warrant a second thought, kinda like that Black Panther crackpot.  No story there, just inciting a little hatred and murder, no big deal.

No, Beck has them running scared because he gets too many of the big stories right.  And the near 80% of the population who do not identify themselves with progressive politics must think so also, otherwise he would not have such a large audience. 

THE END OF THE FOX NEWS ERA.  That’s a good one.  It is even remarkable that one is declaring this an era.  Dionne struggles to get his stories, and to make them sound relevant, but he fails miserably most of the time. 

Now that the nation has had a string of progressives running the show for 20 years or thereabouts, maybe they will realize that it is time for some true conservatism again.  This is the mood of the country, and it is not about racism, it is about the obvious stupidity of left and right wing progressive politics.

And it has nothing to do with race.  Give me a solid conservative black man, and I will vote for him all day long over an Al Gore.  And I am happy to state that there are a lot of good solid conservative blacks, as there are good conservatives of every race and religion. 

No, it is not about race, although I am not so naive as to say there is not racism in America.  Racism exists in all cultures, to one extent or another, but its effects are slowly being wiped out with each generation.  The left has to keep it alive for the purpose of maintaining their constituency, otherwise it would probably be declining rapidly, given the number of very prominent non-whites in every area.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 8:34 am Link to this comment

William W.

I meant to inquire as to how often you watch or listen to Glenn Beck’s programs.  He appears to be an object of great fixation for you.

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Question:  Have you ever seen the video of several SEIU union members at a Tea Party event beating a black man with a club and calling him a Nigger?  It’s all over the internet.

You can ask ITW about the event.  He has seen the video himself.

Question:  Have you ever witnessed evidence of such extreme violent behavior from the Tea Party protesters?

You can ask ITW.  He hasn’t either.  Ask him and see for yourself how quickly he’ll change the subject to Sarah Palin being a meanie. LOL

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

Sorry about the many typos this morning.  Commenting from a Blackberry.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 7:23 am Link to this comment

William W. Wexler,

Mr. Beck means nothing to me.  I rarely take in his programs.  You, however, appear mesmerized by the man. 

What does matter to me is how nobody can claim an opinion is anything close to a fact.  I’m not yet certain you understand the difference.

Al I know of Glenn Beck is that his drive-time television program beats the crap out of all other cable news programming in their respective Prime-Time slots.  OUCH!

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BTW:  Your odd list of Beck lies very specifically claims the Tea party protesters, as a whole, are racist.  You have never claimed, in this threat or the list you enjoy so, that only SOME Tea Party protesters are racist.

How about getting your own “Facts” straight. smile

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By William W. Wexler, July 31, 2010 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

GRYM…

You are living in a fantasy world, abjectly accepting bullshit for truth.

However, you are wrong about my July 19 entry, and would you like to try another?

Furthermore, I have never said that the TeaBaggers are racist.  I have said that SOME of them are racist.  However, I will say that Beck’s followers are racist because you’d have to be racist to sit there and listen to this little Mormon fuck rant about reparations, the NAACP, and everyone else’s apparent black nationalism, and so on.  Who did Glenn Beck target?  Um, here’s a clue.  None of them were white.  He went after Van Jones, ACORN, Cynthia McKinney, and Shirley Sherrod.  (Oh yes he did too, read the transcript of his show from 7/22 where he says that she says racist things and is for wealth redistribution, which is Beck-speak for reparations).

And of course he called Obama a racist.  Why is it that in Beck’s world, black people are racist but he NEVER calls out any white people for racism (unless they happen to be Democrats, like the late Robert Byrd, who REPUDIATED his racist past in the 1970s and said it was the biggest mistake of his life).

Do some reading.  You are trying to argue over semantics and minutia and you have a failed grasp of the Big Picture.  Just like most GOPERs and TeaBaggers.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 31, 2010 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “I’ve seen how you interpret polls.  It’s a waste of time to discuss them with you.”

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Hence the reason I so very clear about choosing your own polls concerning ANY ISSUE YOU WISH.  It matters none which you choose.

Ignore what I wrote, Brother, and try what I suggest.  Count the votes.  Democrats have been unable to pass several major pieces of legislation due to an inability to sway fellow party members.

You cannot, in any realistic manner, lay the blame at the feet of the opposition party.  Not when the majority party held a filibuster proof Congress.

Count the votes!  You Betcha wink

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By Inherit The Wind, July 31, 2010 at 5:36 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

We had 8 years of your “ideal” leadership and it did more damage than had been done since WWII.

I’ve seen how you interpret polls.  It’s a waste of time to discuss them with you.

You know as well as I that if you ask “If Congress and the President seek to raise taxes will you support it?” NOBODY will say “yes”.

But is that meaningful?  “Conservatives” in this country are idiots and real Conservatives have nearly vanished.  In the UK, the current PM is a Conservative and HE is saying that to bring the British budget under control requires both vast spending cuts and possible tax increases.

IOW, he is facing reality.

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By MarthaA, July 31, 2010 at 12:36 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, July 31 at 2:26 am,

Media Matters For America

“Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh regularly tout their supposed accuracy and often claim their critics never prove them wrong. Fittingly, this in itself is a complete falsehood. Limbaugh and Beck are wrong for a living, but have been rewarded for their perpetual wrongness by assuming the role of the two most important cogs in the conservative media.

Every day, the conservative noise machine—Fox News, Beck, Limbaugh, and other prominent conservative talk radio hosts and bloggers—hurl false accusations with the hopes of damaging the Obama administration, Democrats, and progressives politically. Make no mistake: this is the primary motivation for the majority of the stories they promote. Pesky things like “facts” and “reality” are, at best, a trivial concern.

Often, these attacks are baseless, easily debunked, and laughably absurd—yet conservative media outlets rarely (if ever) offer corrections when they are proven wrong. Instead they either double down on their attacks or simply ignore that they were wrong in the first place and move on to the next overhyped bit of nonsense.

It says a lot about the state of the media when Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, and other prominent media conservatives can be caught pushing a blatantly false story, offer no correction, and have their behavior met with a collective shrug. Conservative media outlets retain their unfortunate power and influence over the public discourse because they are able to lie largely without consequence.

On July 18, an apparently deranged ex-convict named Byron Williams packed his truck with guns and allegedly set out to kill employees at both the ACLU and the Tides Foundation in the hopes that his actions would “start a revolution.” Williams’ mother indicated that her son was angry because of his unemployment and “what’s happening to our country.” According to her, Williams watched television news and was upset by “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items.” Sound familiar?

Beck’s denial of any responsibility is complicated by his almost-daily use of overtly violent rhetoric. Among many, many other examples, Beck has:

  * Suggested Obama is pushing America toward civil war and deliberately “trying to destroy the country.”
  * Capped two weeks of violent fear mongering about progressives by warning that when their attempts at a “soft revolution” fail, eventually progressives “just start shooting people.”
  * Said the “people around the president” support “armed insurrection” and “bombing.”
  * Repeatedly insinuated that the Obama administration will kill him.
  * Used a quote from Jefferson to launch into a warning about coming “rivers of blood.”
  * Compared himself to “Israeli Nazi hunters” and announced that “to the day I die, I am going to be a progressive hunter.”
  * Included in his advice to Liberty University grads that they should “shoot to kill,” and that graduates “have a responsibility” tospeak out, or “blood…will be on our hands.”
  * Informed viewers that the “world is on edge” and said that “those who survive” will “stand in the truth” and “listen.”
  * Said that some progressive groups don’t have “a problem with blood in the streets.”

And just today, Beck claimed the present day will seem like good times “when we’re behind barbed wire and just eating rock soup.”

Despite the fact that he routinely suggests progressives are going to kill or imprison his viewers and listeners, Beck tries to thread the needle by urging his followers not to resort to violence.

As Media Matters’ Matt McLaughlin asked this week, what does it say about Beck’s rhetoric and his audience that he feels it necessary to tell his followers not to kill people?”

(compiled by Media Matters’ Ben Dimiero)

http://mediamatters.org/

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By Go Right Young Man, July 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

Beck said, “Racism is now being used as a tactic for political gain. The NAACP is now trying to intimidate Tea Partiers passing a resolution to condemn ‘the racist elements in the Party.’ ‘Glenn stated this as a fact, not an opinion.”

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Mr. Beck gives his opinions.  There is no fact in saying or writing that the Tea Party is racist.  Just as there is no fact in saying the NAACP is racist.  Thees tings can only be presented as opinions.  Opinions in which millions of people disagree.  A fact is 2+2 and everyone agrees on the solution.

Beck is not lying.  Just as you’re not lying when you opine, incorrectly in my opinion, that Tea party protesters are racist.  Or that an sign of Obama depicted as Curious George is anything different than the several hundred signs and political cartoons depicting George Bush as Curious George in his last six years in office.  It’s certainly NOT racist when considering the two men have different skin colors.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 30, 2010 at 10:02 pm Link to this comment

ITW, - ” skewed polls he likes that shows something like 99.99739% of the country agreeing with the GOP and 6 liberals in New York City and 12 in San Francisco agreeing with the Democrats.”

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Count the votes. 

Throw out all I wrote on the subject. 

If you do perhaps one hour of research you will see yourself which democrats abstained or voted nay on any piece of legislation that interests you.  After you have that list read the hometown editorials.  Also take ten minutes and look at any polling data of your choosing of the state or district. - Remember one important context in all this.  Each Nay vote by a democrat on so many major pieces of legislation was under tremendous pressure from their party leadership.  Why did each vote Nay?  - I can tell you what it wasn’t.  It wasn’t do to the politically neutered republicans?

Also, look at any national polling data of YOUR OWN choosing and see what various parts of the country thought of the top ten issue over the past 19 months.  YOU choose the poll or polls

Of all the talk of corporate control of U.S. politics the fact is public opinion still holds tremendous power.  It was the democratic party which, time and again, could not muster the votes to pass major legislation.  The opposition party didn’t even posses filibuster control. 

All I claim is that I count.  With that simple gift it becomes easy to see how the democrats did not need even a single republican vote to pass everything the leadership liked for over a year. 

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99.99739% of the country and six liberals, ITW?

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By William W. Wexler, July 30, 2010 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

GRYM

7/19/10 - Glenn says the Tea Party is not racist, the NAACP is - Apparently Glenn missed the email from Tea Party Express founder Mark Williams.  Did we forget about the Obama monkey signs at the TeaBagger marches? Oh, that’s right, those were “infiltrators”…. white liberals disguised as haters.  LOL

Glenn stated this as a fact, not an opinion. Beck said, “Racism is now being used as a tactic for political gain. The NAACP is now trying to intimidate Tea Partiers passing a resolution to condemn ‘the racist elements in the Party.’”

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By Inherit The Wind, July 30, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

For once I agree with GRYM, but not for the reasons. Yes, it’s AMAZING how with a slim majority Bush got everything he wanted but with an historic majority, Obama can’t get anything through Congress. 

Unfortunately, GRYM attributes this to the skewed polls he likes that shows something like 99.99739% of the country agreeing with the GOP and 6 liberals in New York City and 12 in San Francisco agreeing with the Democrats.  You were good-to-go until then.

The problem is that Dims don’t enforce party discipline with the same force as the GOP.  Guys like Nelson were allowed to gut the Health Care bill and strip it of the most important measures.  The GOP leadership KNOW that if they stick together, even with only 40 votes in the Senate, the Dims can’t manage to maintain the same discipline, so the GOP wins by saying “no!” even when it makes sense from THEIR POV to say “yes”.

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By ofersince72, July 30, 2010 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

So it is Berman, Chairman, Foreign Affairs Committee,
wrting the new legislation making it easier for the
sale of weaponry.  A big AIPAC recipiant that I spent
days faxing a few years ago before they sent that last
couple hundred billion dollars worth of weapons to the
Middle East.  This was another reason I didn’t vote for
Obama. They were trying to hold this info up about this
arms transer because we were in the election process.
I called the Obama camapign up many times trying to see
if he was backing this arms transfer to the Middle East.
They kept dodgeing the question,  so I tried another
approach,  I called his Senate office up and asked the
question from the other side of the argument , like I
really wanted to see this arms transfer happen, they told
me to rest assured, Senator Obama was 100% behind the
weapons transfer.
  If you are still out there JD,  we are going to continue
to feed both sides of conflict, creating sides, then
fanning flames.  This has been going on for forty years
(much more, but have to draw the line somewhere), now
there is much more to stake than the good peoples lives
that are going to be destroyed by U.S. policy.
What else do you think I am talking about that is at
stake right now?????????????????????????????????

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By Go Right Young Man, July 30, 2010 at 9:00 am Link to this comment

leefeller -“When the Republicans were in control Bush seemed to have little trouble ramming his agendas through, now we see the so called Democrats in majority and the party of no stops them cold?”

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Lee, you quote Lincoln in an illustration as to how the two main parties are much alike.  As far as the game of politics is concerned Mr. Lincoln was spot-on correct.

In all seriousness; by simply counting votes we can see that it is not the opposition party (the party of no) stopping the Obama/Reid/Pelosi agenda.  It is the members of the majority party which are not voting for the agenda.

Count the votes.  Not the number of times you hear some partisan hack blame “the other party”.

This is not a hard game to follow.  Until very recently the majority party held veto proof control of the White House and the Congress.  That is to say, until very recently, the majority party did not need a single minority party vote to pass all the legislation they cared to send up.

Pick an issue to your liking and I will show you the votes.  Pick any issue and I will show you how every national poll clearly illustrate how the majority of Americans have been against every major piece of legislation of the past 19 months.  That, Lee, is why the President of the United States is having such a difficult time getting things he would like.  The democrats cannot gather the votes from their own party.

“The Party of No” is an effective slogan.  But it remains only a slogan.  Count the votes.  The republicans have stopped very little.

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By Leefeller, July 30, 2010 at 7:59 am Link to this comment

The subtle differences between the two parties, Democrats and Republicans may be more show than anything else.  It sure looks like the good cop bad cop song and dance routine to me. 

When the Republicans were in control Bush seemed to have little trouble ramming his agendas through, now we see the so called Democrats in majority and the party of no stops them cold?

Look, do only the republicans become self serving lobbyists after they leave office?  Both parties seem to like status quo? 

The subtle difference between the two parties, seems to be the Republicans project a crass self serving and the Democrats seem sanguinely diminutive in their self serving, both end up ignoring reality and the people be damned.

I have mentioned this many times before, Lincoln said this (from my memory) the difference between the two parties is they are like two drunks fighting on the street and when the fight is over the only difference is they have each others’ coat on.

Has anything changed since Lincoln? I know my simplistic opinion!

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I resisted the internet for all time, for many reasons.
When saw me appear on here , that was my first venture
onto the internet, and still today TD is the only about
the only site I use.  To try to mend some fences with
my siblings, mostly my younger sister was my main motive
for coming online.  She has a cozy job, low level
management job with Johns Hopkins University.  She also
an Obama supporter.
  In many ways I am sorry that I made this venture.
Truth Dig was my first site.  TD kept appearing in my
mailbox, I guess I will forever be on a liberal mailing
list. (I am sure you relate).
  I was suprised,  reviewing Obamas first year in office
was where I entered the blogosphere.  I for sure thought
all liberals, progressives, whatever , were as disgusted
as me and here I come blasting the first black president.
Being new, and also the obnoxious person that I often am
(this is not intentional JD), I got blasted back swiftly.
I noticed though, once I made some critical comments,
there were others that started speaking out.

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By ofersince72, July 29, 2010 at 11:29 pm Link to this comment

JD,  I certainly respect your decision, no ill feelings
at all.  We have little control over the future.
 
  I did see today, McClatchy newspaper headline,

  Obama Plans to Increase Weapons Exports

that was the headline JD…....vote your conscience.
I will vote mine, or not vote for my conscience.

It will remain , perpetual war as long as this continues,
and that is Austerity

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By JDmysticDJ, July 29, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

I don’t disagree with your prognostications; I have made similar predictions on another forum. I do disagree with your prediction that there will be an increase in middle class tax rates, but I wouldn’t be adamantly opposed to them if they came to be. I suspect that the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans will be allowed to expire, but I would like to see the tax rates for the wealthiest Americans increase exponentially, and not just by a few percentage points. First and foremost what we need to do is end our disastrous, immoral, and murderous wars. Then we need to nationalize those economic concerns that are most vital to our national economic interests, and employ the profit takers at more constructive labors, but there is absolutely no chance of that happening in the near future. It would take a completely new paradigm of economic and political thought, or a total financial catastrophe, before that kind of action would be taken.

The future does look bleak, but I will continue to advocate for the best choices, and do what I can to continue the struggle for positive change. I see no other alternative.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 29, 2010 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man

“The Truth Has a Liberal Bias.” It does not surprise me that highly educated and exceptionally well informed journalists would define themselves as being “Liberal.” I’ll suggest that many of them are elitists, and that they would fall into the category of neo-liberals, for lack of a better word, and that they are in fact centrists from the same mold as Barack Obama, Rahm Emanuel, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and the Democratic Leadership Council.

I’ll suggest that the Journalist’s corporate masters enforcing a policy of “impartiality” is in fact partial and serves to obscure the truth, and does not enhance legitimate Journalism. When I hear blatant falsehoods uttered by right-wing politicians and guests remain unchallenged, or even questioned, by the journalists that are interviewing them, it strikes me as being de facto institutionalized bias.

Anyone familiar with the incidents that involved Dan Rather, Daniel Schorre, and Phil Donahue, should be aware of the phenomena of so called Liberal Journalists being silenced by their corporate masters.

Taking the Sunday morning news network talk shows into consideration, the political spectrum of the Journalists, Pundits and academics is very narrow, with the occasional appearance of left-wing journalists/pundits, such as Katrina Vanden Heuvel of “The Nation Magazine,” while there are right-wing stalwarts such as George Will who appear every Sunday. (Incidentally, in 1980, George will, while working as a Journalist, clandestinely used campaign briefing papers stolen from the Carter Whitehouse, to prepare Ronald Reagan for the upcoming presidential debate. He later appeared on the television program “Nightline” to comment on how well Reagan was prepared for the debate.)

It bothers me that so called experts on issues, who are trotted out on these programs are individuals who have been proven to be lacking in both skills of prognostication, effective policy, and moral decency. Promoters of failed policies, accused war criminals, and admitted prostitute toe suckers are put forth as credible experts on certain news outlets.

”On the third day of the ‘96 Democratic convention in Chicago, word spread that the supermarket tabloid Star, which had carried the Gennifer Flowers story, was about to reveal [Dick] Morris’s toe-sucking relationship with Rowlands. Clinton dispatched aide Erskine Bowles to see [Dick] Morris, who admitted the allegations were true but didn’t see the need to resign.”

Morris could be given a pass, if anything he had ever done politically was of any benefit to the American people, and if his prognostications had not been proven to be false in every single instance. However, he’s still being offered as an expert worthy of credence, by Fox News and other media outlets. The fact that politics is a dirty business is illustrated by Morris’ attack on the left and the Clintons, after he was instrumental in Bill Clinton’s implementing his “Triangulation” policies that have proved undeniably harmful to the American people, and the Democratic Party.

I digress, the point is that corporate control of the Main Stream Media does in fact slant the media to the Right, and is detrimental to fair and balanced news reporting. Fox News is not a part of the Main Stream Media; Fox News is the propaganda arm of the Republican Party, and the disseminator of right-wing lies and distortions.

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By ofersince72, July 29, 2010 at 6:09 pm Link to this comment

JD , try this experiment…

Don’t watch any TV news for one month and don’t listen
to NPR for the same amount of time….

Watch what happens .....  You will have a different
perspective…all your own….with no influences….

The way our mass media is designed,  I don’t care how
much you know or how hard you try not to be…...
they will influence your thought in the way they want,
even if you are on your guard.  It’s their job , and they
are professionals, and have years of experience and all
the latest psych and tools.

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By ofersince72, July 29, 2010 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment

Sorry JD, I am glad you asked.

I was going to answer a question with question , thats
rude.

This nation is not immune to what happens to every other
nation that gets in this kind of debt. To be frank JD,
I doubt most Capitol Hill members like the position they
are in now on both sides of the isle. But they put
themselves and us in this position.  Even in better days,
there where occasions that they would every now and then
collude on a vote,  it wasn’t general practice, but they
all knew of it and how to do it.
  Before I discuss the Int. Invstrs,  I will rewrite
a quote that I did this morning on the STUPID thread in
case you missed, it is from a history book by Jules Archer
and the exert during the T. Roosevelt era. I will skip
the main paragraph, to the point…
“Reelected,  he pleased them by promptly revising the
Monroe Doctrine with what became known as the Roosevelt
Corollary, proclaiming the right of the United States to
invade any Latin-American country that failed to meet its
financial obligations to international investors.”

  The key,  “failed to meet its financial obligations
to internatioal investors.”
We are no different, don’t believe that we are.
Sad thing,  I really believe that they are scared on
Capitol Hill right now, for they know that the military
isn’t theirs either.
It is just that simple JD.
We are going to have imposed on us ,  the same
Austerity Measures that we used to enforce all over the
world for the IMF and the World Bank on other nations.
Greece is seeing, all of Europe is going to see them.
The Obamacare….they didn’t call it by that name, but
that is exactly what it was.
The To_Big_To_Fail   bailout,  that is what it was,
an austerity program.
The coming social security reform….Austerity program
The “middle” income tax hike coming .....same thing
They are going to be there , no matter who is in office.
and more, and more…..it is not quite the same analogy
but similar to the old Bananna republics, that is what we
are…..the elections…
Well,  I doubt that I can convince you on one post, and
maybe it might take you another election cycle to see on
your own….but it is here JD..
I will post futher explanations ,  you know me !!
JD….I sure wish it was different…..and we were
discussing something pleasent.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 29, 2010 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

I was going to point out the obvious dichotomy between the two parties by pointing out congressional votes; the Democrats voting on one side of an issue and the Republicans voting the other side of the issue. I thought that would be irrefutable evidence of a dichotomy, but you, using pre-cognition, foresaw my argument and offered the following in order to refute my argument before I was able to make it.

“all those silly Congressional floor debates are well
rehearsed, and it is a duopoly of collusion, against us
and for the International Investors that finance them.”

I find this statement to be creatively written to the point that it almost seems to be rational on first reading, but I find the statement to be questionable, so I’ll ask some questions.

When you say “International Investors” what exactly do you mean? Are you referring to Multi-National Investment Groups, or are you referring to Corporate Interests? Can you be more specific? I’ll guess that you’re referring to Corporate Interests, more specifically, Multi-National Corporate Interests. It’s true that Corporate Interests spend 100’s of millions of dollars on lobbying our Legislators, but,

“At the federal level, the primary source of campaign funds is individuals; political action committees are a distant second. Contributions from both are limited, and direct contributions from corporations and labor unions are prohibited.”

The Supreme Court recently ruled that Corporations are free to make their own Campaign ads. I’ll not argue that wealthy Americans don’t have an immense inordinate influence on our political campaigns, that’s a given, but any Quid Pro Quo political campaign contributions are illegal and prosecuted as bribery. That’s not to say that no illegal campaign activity occurs, but you seem to be saying that illegal campaign contributions are the norm, and that both parties are engaged in massive, secret illegal “Duopoly of collusion.” Without offering any evidence to substantiate your claim of conspiracy, I’ll suggest that your allegation can only be theoretical. I’ll need some more evidence before I’ll agree that both Political Parties are, “Financed by International Investors.” Sorry, but I find this claim of massive “Duopoly of collusion” somewhat fanciful, to put it politely. It’s nicely written though.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 29, 2010 at 2:17 pm Link to this comment

Ofercince72 (Cont.)

Other questions arise as to your claim that,

“All those silly Congressional floor debates are well
rehearsed, “

Where do they have these rehearsals? Do they have a rehearsal hall somewhere, and are they pre-scripted? Do they have script writers?

CONGRESSIONAL SCRIPT WRITING TEAM SESSION

1st Script writer: “How about this, we’ll have Lieberman ask for another minute to speak, and then Franken, acting as President of the Senate will say, I object!

2nd Script writer: Yeah, I like that, that’ll make a good sound bite.

3rd Script writer: Yeah that’s got style, that’s almost as good as when we had Boehner shout “HELL NO YOU CAN’T!”

Laughter

4th script writer: I liked that time we had Boehner throw the Bill on the floor, that was a hoot.

More Laughter

Fade out

Sorry, I’m just trying to picture what these rehearsals would be like. I wonder if they would argue about who gets to take which side on an issue.

John Boenher: “HELL NO YOU CAN’T! You always get to play bad cop to Wall Street.”

Harry Reid: “Now, now, calm down John, have another drink.”

Dennis Kucinich: “Why don’t I ever get any lines? I haven’t had a good sound bite since that “IS THIS THE BEST WE CAN DO? Bit during the health care debate.”


Would it be something like that, I’m having trouble picturing this “well rehearsed” claim of yours.

Please answer my questions regarding your claim that,”

“All those silly Congressional floor debates are well
rehearsed, “

Does the “Duopoly of collusion” have a rehearsal hall where all these “Silly Congressional floor debates are “’Well rehearsed.’”? And, are they scripted?

Having seen many of these Congressional floor debates, I can only conclude that if your claim is correct, these Congressional debates are “Well rehearsed” indeed, and if your claim is correct, the magnitude of the theatrical production is astounding, and many of the participants are worthy of “Academy Award” nominations, at the very least.

Hopefully you will be able to answer my questions, but until then, I can only continue to believe that there is a dichotomy of opinion between the two Parties, and that that dichotomy is clearly obvious, but that that dichotomy is not as great as we would wish.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 29, 2010 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

The Daily Caller, a Web-based news outlet with a conservative political slant, has been having a field day lately, quoting from posts on a listserv called the Journolist.

The Journolist, started in 2007 by liberal Washington Post blogger Ezra Klein, linked over 400 hundred journalists, political operatives and journalism professors, until The Daily Caller started making public the things they had been saying to one another.

Their common interest was Barack Obama—ensuring his election, promoting his agenda and savaging his critics.

You know you’ve got the drop on a liberal newsie when she’s compelled to say something like, “I made poorly considered remarks about Rush Limbaugh to what I believed was a private e-mail discussion group from my personal e-mail account.”

That would be Journolist member Sarah Spitz, a producer for public radio station KCRW in Santa Monica, Calif., who posted a little fantasy about how much she would enjoy watching the conservative talk radio host die of a heart attack.

She said she would “laugh loudly like a maniac and watch his eyes bug out.”

And here we thought that hate—the very word Spitz used to describe her own feelings about Limbaugh later in her post—was the exclusive property of the right. Postings on the Journolist prove otherwise.

While Journolist members were discussing strategies for suppressing news about Obama’s America-bashing pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., during the presidential campaign, Spencer Ackerman, then of the Washington Independent and now of Wired magazine, suggested this:

“It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.”

Obviously.

Everyone on the listserv felt much better after Obama won. There were tears (rhetorical, one presumes), cheers, f-bombs of happiness and lots of backslapping among Journolist members for a job well done.

And what members of the general public didn’t know wouldn’t hurt them.

The left-wing bias that results is unintentional and passive—and thus in no way comparable to the active discussion of strategy and tactics on view in the Journolist postings.

It’s impossible to say how much influence the Journolist posters had in creating a favorable public perception of Obama and shouting down his critics. They certainly didn’t hurt him.

But the cloud they have cast over journalism has a silver lining. The revelation of their scheming will make at least a few more people question the quality of their news in a country that needs more skeptics.  Not less.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 29, 2010 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

I’m glad you believe in the independence of the “82%”  and I wish it was so.  But it ain’t.  We see in market after market, thoughtful anchors and reporters are replaced with Entertainment Tonight! -class equivalents.  We see stories suppressed, we see op-ed oppressed.

For almost 3 years the NYTimes totally suppressed all its liberal (and token conservative) columnists from its on-line site.  Why? It wanted to charge a subscription fee to read Frank Rich and Maureen Dowd, et al.  It was as effective a means of censorship as if they actually banned them.  The Times finally had to drop that.

Ownership by mega-corporations is fundamentally corrupting.  Who is going to report on Disney’s board-room dirty play when to do so guarantees instant firing?

Curiously, Fox is the MOST restrictive network, where reporters don’t DARE cross the Murdoch machine.  Even those Liberals who sell out to Fox find they have no options from Borg News: “Resistance is futile”.

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By ofersince72, July 29, 2010 at 12:01 am Link to this comment

I want you all to sit down now ,, you will really be
shocked to hear this…

  Did you know that the media has the power to get
  whatever candidate they want into the White House?

Are you shocked.???  Well that is what they do.

And they are very good at it.,, they even know how to
sway you intellect liberals to vote whoever they want
you to vote for, and they do it, time and time again.
Did you really believe that Murdock, General Electric,
Disney, Viacom et.al.  let you think for yourselves?
If so , then go back and read Truth Dig posts for the
last six months….........DO DA DAY….................

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

You wouln’t know the truth if it jumped up and
smacked you right square in the face!!!!!!!!!!

  Our government runs on the

*****Wink_and_a_Nod*****  concept…

sometimes this Wink_and_a_Nod is between
Democrats and Republicans….....bunches of them

and on just as many times the
***Wink_and_a_Nod****
is between the lawmakers and the media…

We are the ****Wink_anda_Nod   nation

We sell freedom and democracy strictly on the
*****Wink_anda_Nod****  policy…...

Is that so hard to figure out, it smacks right in the face

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, July 29 at 1:00 am,

Just because the Conservative Media tells you they are liberal doesn’t make it so.  You can call a rose a carnation, but it will still be a rose.  Just because you think the rose is a carnation doesn’t make it a carnation any more than if you think the Conservative Media is liberal, because it just isn’t so.

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By Leefeller, July 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

Fox News conjures visions of tea baggers sitting with dishes of Crumpets, sadly so many more GRYMS’ all over this land watching Bill O Really with baited breath cheering his hate and bigotry with the gusto of Republicans shoveling elephant dung, filling their empty minds with unbiased thoughts,  rooting for their very own home team.  Fox unbalanced only to those who disagree, bought and paid for by special interests, redundantly interests never to be mine or any person capable of any degree of compassion or integrity.

Go Fox!

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 29 at 12:37 am,

Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network has singled itself out, by being the worse network for propaganda and sophism on television, after Rupert Murdoch and his FOX News Network are seriously reprimanded for their vile propaganda and sophism, the other networks that are following the FOX News Network will see the error of their ways and realize that the airways belong to the liberal populace and quit commandeering the airways for a strict politically conservative agenda.

In the above regard, the FOX News Network is abusing their right to use the public airways and as a result of their abuse of the airways, Rupert Murdoch’s media outlets and FOX News Network should not be allowed to reinstate their licenses, perhaps a petition for broadcast abuse of the public airways is needed, because Media Matters For America at http://mediamatters.org/ has documented insurmountable abuse of the liberals, the populace, community, progressives, and unions.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

ITW, - “And since Fox’s undermining of the 2000 election the others….”

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Your anger runs deep.  Directly to your core. 

The Times is conservative?  Now that is truly unrealistic.  And Bull Crap on the worn out “conservative media ownership” theory.  Journalists are notoriously and fiercely independent from management.  All 82% of them. Go ask any and all journalists you can find.  You will not find 25 in the entire nation who will agree with your theory.  Most passionately live and breath their mandate.  They guard it fiercely!

The bulk of the News Media is not as liberal as you would wish.  Plain and simple.  But conservative?  No way, Brother.

Sure the bulk of the news media runs scared of FOX News.  They are aware that Fox and Friends beats all morning cable news programs combined.  They are aware that independent voters/viewers are moving to FOX News in droves; specifically citing how FOX is the more “reliable”.  A point of view I’m not sure I agree with, however, there it is.  OUCH! wink

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You like writing about “Truth”.  Here is some plain, unvarnished, truth.  Morning, Noon and Night the majority of television news viewers choose FOX News for information on daily events and opinions.  The views on this Web space represent a minuscule minority.

There’s a dose of Truth fer-ya.  You betcha (smile)

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 8:37 pm Link to this comment

Why single Fox out MarthaA:?

You don’t like what they say…..I understand that…

You like what the others say…..Ok….

So it is your decision on just who is telling the truth?
and just who should be run out of town?
and just how do you know the rest aren’t lieing too since
you seem to know that Fox is..

JD,  I will somewhat respect your decision, or YOU,
maybe not your decision.
There has never been any validity to the Lesser_Than_Evil
doctrine that many cling to. It is a myth without any
provable facts.  We were brought up by our parents saying
The Democrats are the party of the working man and
the Republicans are the party of the rich man.
This was dated back from the thirties,(and that is another
long debate, not suitable here)
Since the start of the Cold War, there has been little
significant difference, if any.
And all those silly Congressional floor debates are well
rehearsed, and it is a duopoly of collusion, against us
and for the International Investors that finance them.

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 8:20 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 29 at 12:01 am,

Rupert Murdoch is the culprit and he owns a lot of media outlets; but Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network is the worse for vile propaganda and sophist news.  If we could get rid of one, FOX News Network would be that one, but while we are at it we should go ahead and confiscate what money he has for our coffers and either put him in jail for treason or kick him out of the country.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 8:01 pm Link to this comment

If most are admitting that there is one bad apple
Fox News that lies, distorts, and does not report real
news,,,,,,,,

  then it should be easy to…........GET IT .........
Because, you Dem supporters are only accussing one
network of this….............

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2010 at 7:55 pm Link to this comment

GRYM,

I have no idea what you are talking about.  I’ve heard that line about “couched” questions for over 30 years, but only shitty reporters ask them, and they are USUALLY couched for drama and ratings, not a political POV. But what I really heard was “You ask Conservatives cold, hard questions we don’t have logical answers for, but you don’t ask them of Liberals”.

Actually, they do.  The reporter who has SHREDDED Republican administrations going back to Nixon, Robert Woodward, is a life-long Republican.  So is Diane Sawyer.  You’d never know it by their professionalism.

But that “82%” stat you quote ignores the fact that the OWNERSHIP of all the major media outlets, the guys who PAY those “82%” are all, almost unanimously hard-core Conservatives, whether it’s Disney, or the NYTimes or the WSJ, or Fox, or any of them, they are almost universally owned by arch-conservatives.  If anything the media is long-since biased to the Right, rather than the left.  And since Fox’s undermining of the 2000 election the others have all run terrified of going up against Fox—all except MSNBC.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 28, 2010 at 7:53 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

I don’t support Obama and many of the Democrats, I simply prefer them to the alternative, and I believe they are the best hope between the two parties of achieving peace, and providing more rational just economic policies. I’ve given you a lot of examples demonstrating the dichotomy between the two Parties, but you don’t accept the idea of a dichotomy. Oh well!

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2010 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 28 at 8:34 pm #

Inherit_The_Wind

Even if you like MSNBC,  you have to admit that they too
are a propaganda arm of a party…

  A point that Go_Right_Young_Man has made on many
occasions..

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You don’t get it. I’m not comparing Rachel Maddow and Keith Olberman to Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.  They are all CRITICS!  Some lie, some tell the truth, but then they all offer OPINIONS on what it all means.

I’m talking about reporters deliberately injecting bias into fact reporting to alienate Americans from one political party.

I didn’t hear about this incident—I watched it happen, with this skinny, gray-haired, older-middle-aged on-site reporter (I think with a mustache—not sure) pull this stunt as he “reported” back to his anchor.

I’ve never seen a reporter on any of the networks INCLUDING MSNBC pull a dirty stunt like that.  Only on Fox.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

MarthaA,  You are right,

and with them , we should run out MSNBC, CNN, CBS,
the WAPO, and the NYT…......as well!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

You avoided my point Go_Right_Young_Man…

I don’t care if all the journalists are registared
Democrats, that does not make them liberals.

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By MarthaA, July 28, 2010 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, July 28 at 10:11 pm,

It is highly possible all that what you have stated would have happened, if we had a Liberal Media, but we do not and desperately need a Liberal Media, instead of the outrageous Conservative EXTREMIST sophism and propagandizing media that we have; all of Rupert Murdoch’s media propagandizing tools including Rupert Murdoch’s Wall Street Journal, Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp, and Rupert Murdoch’s FOX News Network that is the leader of the sophism and propaganda machine and all of Rupert Murdoch’s propagandizing machine needs to lose their license to propagandize the populace in the name of news in the United States and IMHO, Rupert Murdoch needs to be ran out of the country on a rail.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72,

Correction:  According to Gallup a full 82% of All journalists and editors, television and print, are self-proclaimed democrats.  Yes, a whopping 82%. No one can claim those humans are not reporting via their own perspectives.  Ignoring this takes away all context.

I have read you views.  Is it possible the bulk of the media are simply not as progressive/liberal as you desire in a Center/Right nation?

FOX News is the sole conservative television news outlet amongst an Center/Right population.  Why would anyone be surprised that FOX News is kicking all other’s butts in every category imaginable in regards to ratings?  Is it a surprise that Keith Olbermann’s Prime Time slot dwarfs Glenn Becks drive-time programming?  -  We can think about what this means when one considers that on the East Coast people are still at work.  Central/Mountain parents are still picking up the kids, coaching baseball, volleyball and running sundry errands etc..  And Beck still beats the living daylights out of Olbermann’s viewership.  Bill O’Reilly’s late-night reruns trounce Olbermann and Maddow’s Prime-Time numbers - Combined.

The truly surprising thing is in the high level of vitriolic anger and hatred toward a different point of view on the media scene.  Look how many people on this Web space are driven to total distraction by an opposing point of view, yes?

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

If the U.S. had a liberal media , Iraq would still be
a sovereign nation and a million plus of its citizens
would still be alive and they would own their own oil.

  If the U.S. had a liberal media, the Cold War would
never have come about and the MIC never established.
If the U.S. had a liberal media, the silly , destructive
blockade and sanctions wouldn’t have ever happened to
the little island nation ninty miles from Florida,
If the U.S. had a liberal media, we would have affordable
healthcare in this country.
If we had a liberal media , we wouldn’t have institutional
racism running rampart in this country like it does.
If we had a liberal media, there would not have been a
bailout for Wall Street.
If we had a liberal media, the MMS, and the EPA would have
been doing their job and the Gulf of Mexica disaster
probably would never have occurred.
If we had a liberal media, we would have had campaign
finance reform thirty years ago.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Go_Right_Young_Man

  because Limbaugh and Beck say that the U.S. has a
liberal media,  I am supposed to believe that the U.S.
has a liberal media?????????????????????????????????????

  I guess that is why you see, Chomsky, Parenti, Cockburn
and a bunch of other liberals on the MSMs and in the
WAPO and NYT everyday.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

I got sickened by Fox News and right wing hate radio
a long time ago.

  I learned to tune them out….it’s easy
It is the other media sources that won’t tune them out.
MSNBC is as much responsible for keeping Fox’s ratings
up as Fox’s sponsers are.  Same with Viacom and Comedy
Central.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

Go_Right_Young_Man

  That is why this is so futile

  Everything has been dragged to the right.

  We do not have a liberal media, and haven’t ever had
  a liberal media.  We have at times had a media that
  wasn’t as conservative as the media is now.

  We have a conservative media and a conservative
  Democrat Party….Because a media organization favors
  the Democrat Party , does not make them to be a liberal
  media source.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

I haven’t called you any names, or accused you of
anything , other that question your support and endorsment
of the Democrat Party.

  I do however, remember the names that you and Diamond
and ITW and a few others called me when I had just been
on TD for a week and none of you knew anything about me.
  Not once did I respond with my own name calling.
Well, once, to ITW, which I regret.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

Ask yourself this,

  What would you rather have,,,,Truth Dig ask for a
little monthly donation (which I do anyway, like others)
or have those hate advertisements flashed at you every
time you go to make a post????????????????????????????

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:21 pm Link to this comment

How can you or anyone, be an advocate for PEACE

  and at the same time support a party of perpetual WAR??

  That is what this debate is about.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 5:19 pm Link to this comment

JDMysticDJ,  I am sure you have been, I am not
questioning that.

I am questioning, knowing you to be someone of above
average intellect,  just why you still support a corrupt
system of governance.

And really , I enjoy the debate but care less if ANYONE
responds to my posts and understand fully why many don’t.

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By Go Right Young Man, July 28, 2010 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

ITW, July 28 at 7:17 pm

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While I didn’t see the same thing you did after the democratic convention I do find your description plausible.  Welcome to the world of the majority.  The majority in the U.S. have, for decades, been witness to exactly what you describe.

It’s the small things.  The way questions are couched.  The issues which come up.  The off-hand remark.  It’s in every media outlet.  You take umbridge with it - that is you now notice it - because you don’t agree with the flavor of the slant.  Clearly you are moved to frustration by seeing it.

According to Gallup a full 82% of network journalists and editors are self-proclaimed democrats.  Yes, a whopping 82%. No one can claim those humans are not reporting via their own perspectives. - So welcome to the frustration the sole conservative television network, FOX News, brings you.  Deal with it.

I think you had better find a way to come to terms with this with temperance.  FOX is certainly not going away.  Not when the majority so fully disagree with your viewing habits. - I will remind you that most people are not nearly the enlightened, calm, and forgiving a thinker as yourself.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

A really sad fact,  they have EVERYONE believing that
our whole world revolves around the STOCK MARKET and
Wall Street.  And our world will remain revolved around
that idiot roulette wheel as long as they have us
mesmorized into believing this.
Even our intellect has become a victim of this as
witnessed on TRUTH DIG threads.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Of course it is hard to swallow that we live in a
criminal society whose airwaves have been taken over
by the criminals.

  If you admit that FOX news is biasd and liars, then
what the hell makes you believe that the other MSMs
aren’t too??????????????????????????????????????????

In fact, all except about a dozen members of Capitol
Hill belong behind bars right now.  Same with the
Executive Branch of government.
That is just why they have so many secret agencies.

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By JDmysticDJ, July 28, 2010 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72

Your intuitive faculties are also faulty. Modesty prevents me from relating my credentials as an advocate for social justice, and peace over the last 50 tears. I didn’t do as much I should have, but much more than any one I’ve known.

I wouldn’t reply to your nonsense, except that inaccurately portraying me serves to discredit my opinions. I think they call that Adhominem fabrication, or some such thing.

You’re faculties of vision are also somewhat suspect, you may have been watching, but you missed a lot.

The ecology is only important to me in the sense that multi-nationals have been harming it horribly throughout the technological era, and that harm has killed people and dwindled species. The economy is important because economic priorities have allowed Capitalist financed colonials and multi-nationals to pollute and kill on a massive scale, from the destruction of indigenous peoples and the unrestrained slaughter of their livelihoods, to the theft of their natural resources and more. I don’t like economic injustice, but I never said “It’s the economy stupid!” I would have said, “Its predatory Capitalism stupid!” Our Corporate masters have been leading us down a cruel, murderous, and wasteful path of folly for Centuries.

You say, “Apparently you have know idea what TODAYS struggles are.”

Apparently YOU have NO idea what today’s struggles are, or how to fight them. All your admirable sacrifices over the last 40 years have not taught you how to fight TODAYS struggles. If you think I haven’t sacrificed, it’s because of your faulty intuitive faculties again. All your past sacrifices don’t give you credibility as an expert on how to fight TODAYS struggles. As far as I can tell, your method for fighting TODAYS struggles is to spout your misdirected anger, and do nothing but shoot off your mouth. Apparently you believe your sacrifices give you some authority, and the right to call people who disagree with you “mutha fuckers.”

For a long time, I made the decision not to respond to your gibberish, my mistake. I never believed that I had the ability to cast out demons, but I thought I might be able to have a reasonable discussion with you, I was wrong. I feel sorry for you, even the most impoverished people in the world are not as bitter as you appear to be. Apparently you’ve focused on hatred, and not paid much attention to your own soul. Of course I may be exaggerating; maybe you’ve just had a long series of bad days, and have no tolerance for any view other than your own. I understand, I get that way myself sometimes, especially when I’m confronted by idiots who are advocates of destructive inhuman policies, and justify murder and mayhem out of a sense of national centric and racial superiority (Not you.)

Have a nice life!

Incidentally, my post to http://WWW.Nihilist was intended for William W. Wexler.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 4:34 pm Link to this comment

Inherit_The_Wind

Even if you like MSNBC,  you have to admit that they too
are a propaganda arm of a party…

  A point that Go_Right_Young_Man has made on many
occasions..
Yes there are some racial cat calls coming from an
element associated with the RePub Party
But it is ignored all the Cat Calls from elements
associated with the Dem Party.

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By ofersince72, July 28, 2010 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment

But why even give Fox news any credibility by
discussing them?

Ignore them if they bother you,  same with the journalists
, ignore them…

Just why did the Secretary of Agriculture ask that woman
to resign because of something Fox was going to report?
  The Van Jones resignation a bit more complicated, but
still was attributed to Fox News…............
So….having already gone through that with Jones, why
would the Sec of Agr. be so swift in asking for a
resignation…..I know why ......do you????????????

P.S.  all you Dem supporters that pat yourselves on the
back because America rid itself of slavery…..
That was just inside these borders.
the U.S is practicing slavery all over the world
they just moved the slavery…...took it overseas…
These computers we are useing the cell phones you are
using are all made of componets produced by slave labor.
They don’t even feed or water the slaves anymore,
just let them die of hunger and thirst then replace them
with more black faces.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2010 at 3:17 pm Link to this comment

One night, after that evening’s Democratic Convention was done, a Fox reporter, not an analyst or a critic, saw fit to mention that paper American flags were now on the floor of the convention center.  He said it with a well-acted touch of sadness and outrage that the American Flag was on the floor.

Yet Fox News never, EVER did the same thing at a Republican Convention.  Message? Democrats are unpatriotic and disrespectful of our pagan religious symbol, The Flag.  Were there paper flags on the floor of the GOP Convention?  You bet your ass there were!  There always are at both conventions.

You need no better evidence that Fox is deliberately biased, and cannot be considered a true news organization.  It is a propaganda wing of the Republican party whose soul purpose is to bring the GOP back to dominance.  Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck: These guys are all critics and fall on the “opinion” page.  I may detest them for faking facts, but they are still nothing but opinion-spouters.

But a “reporter” deliberately skewing evidence so blatantly—that’s corruption.

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