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The Difference Between a Terrorist and Someone Who Flies a Plane Into a Building

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Posted on Mar 12, 2010
AP / Jack Plunkett

Andrew Joseph Stack flew a plane into this building because he was angry at the IRS.

By Reese Erlich

There seems to be some confusion about who are the real terrorists these days. Allow me to shed some light on the issue.

John Patrick Bedell was angry at the totalitarian federal government that had devastated public education, private property rights and monetary policy, so he shot two security guards at the Pentagon. He was not a terrorist.

Andrew Joseph Stack flew a small plane into a building housing an office of the Internal Revenue Service in Austin, Texas, killing one IRS worker and injuring 13 people in the structure. Earlier that day, Stack wrote a diatribe on his Web page against the IRS and the federal government. “Violence not only is the answer,” he wrote, “it is the only answer.” Stack was not a terrorist.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist of Palestinian origin, opened fire on fellow soldiers in Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13 and wounding 29. He strongly opposed U.S. military action in Afghanistan and Iraq. He is a terrorist.

At first there may be some confusion about these designations, but there are clear differences among the three cases. The first two violent attacks were carried out as political protests by white conservatives angry at the federal government for taking over their rights. The third was carried out by an Arab-American Muslim angry at the federal government for taking over other people’s rights.

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America’s major media understand this distinction. They quickly explained that the first two cases were deranged individuals not part of any wider conspiracy. Three days after the Pentagon attack, The New York Times wrote that Bedell had been living with his parents and “seemed to slide into a deep paranoia.” The paper reassured us that “federal authorities said there was no indication that Mr. Bedell had a connection to any domestic or international terrorist group.”

On the day of the attack against the IRS, The Wall Street Journal conveyed the comforting news that federal workers had not been victims of terrorism. “I consider this a criminal act by a lone individual,” said Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo.

The major media offered a split opinion on Maj. Hasan. Some went with the “deranged loner” theory. Thank God that Fox News kept up the pressure on President Barack Obama and the liberal media to label it a terrorist attack. As Sen. Joe Lieberman pointed out on Fox, “There are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and therefore that this was a terrorist act.”

Lieberman correctly understands that extremism comes only from the Muslim world, not right-wing white people with persecution complexes and semiautomatic weapons.

There seems to be similar confusion about international extremists. The extremists of al-Qaida intentionally kill civilians in an effort to win political goals. They are terrorists.

The U.S.-funded Afghan mujahedeen fighting against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s intentionally targeted university professors, movie theaters and cultural events. The U.S.-trained Nicaraguan Contras intentionally killed teachers and health workers in order to overthrow the Sandinista government in the 1980s. Both these groups were freedom fighters.

America is besieged by enemies and we should be afraid. For decades this country faced the communist menace. I remember as an elementary school student hiding under my desk to protect myself against a Soviet nuclear attack and invasion. Today we face a far greater threat from Muslim terrorists. Thank goodness today’s children have much larger desks.

I hope this clears up the confusion about exactly who is a terrorist. Remember, consistency is the core principle of American national security policy.

Freelance foreign correspondent Reese Erlich is author of the forthcoming book “Conversations With Terrorists: Middle East Leaders on Politics, Violence and Empire.”


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By T.v Serials, June 14, 2011 at 10:30 pm Link to this comment
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If your White Your disgruntled, angry, or Fustrated. If your brown or have a middle eastern sounding name, Your a Damned Ter’rist!

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By David, January 18, 2011 at 4:49 am Link to this comment
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Sir (the author), are you reporting this with a straight face? I can almost here you snickering behind every line. This one is golden:“Today we face a far greater threat from Muslim terrorists.”
Tears in my eyes! How could you possibly maintain your composure long enough to put such a thing in print? Who would have thought disorganized desert nomads who have to steal any weapons capable of inflicting whatever minimal damage they are capable of were A MORE SERIOUS THREAT than (at the time) a state-of-the-art nuclear superpower! I guess Reagan really didn’t accomplish much with communism collapsing and all. They were never a big threat to begin with, huh? Do you see where I’m going with this Mr. (or Mrs. or Ms.) Reese Erlich? There is no threat, there never was. The competition just makes the military industrial complex richer.  Now go enjoy your coffee.

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By George, November 1, 2010 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment
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“If your White Your disgruntled, angry, or Fustrated. If your brown or have a middle eastern sounding name, Your a Damned Ter’rist!”

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By Andrew, October 12, 2010 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment
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ter·ror·ism
? ?/?t?r??r?z?m/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

Normally I wouldn’t resort to so simple a comment, but there it is.

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By daybedoe, March 20, 2010 at 8:23 am Link to this comment

Suspicious?  What’s so suspicious of a man sending anthrax to every major TV
network…except for FOX.  The two democrats who were served, Daschle and
Leahy, just happened to be pushing for an independent 9/11 investigation and a
slowing of the Patriot Act legislation.  The F.B.I. didn’t even deem this “revenge
killer” a suspect for the majority of the time. When Ivins is about to be indicted
he commits suicide.  Although Anna-Nicole Smith, Heath Ledger and Michael
Jackson’s drug-induced-death autopsies all take any where from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, Ivins’ cause of death is determined by the NEXT DAY
after his death! The man who had access to some of the world’s deadliest toxins
kills himself using…Tylenol and codeine.  And then there is that weird list of
names that come up when you google deaths of microbiologists.  Nope, nothing
strange here.  Open and shut case.  Pardon me while I straighten my tinfoil hat!

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By Night-Gaunt, March 18, 2010 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

I consider the Anthrax Case an example of domestic partisan terrorism. It was only aimed at Democrats. The way it was handled is certainly suspicious. Especially since the prime suspect is blamed and dies before anyone can get to him. Case closed. Very convenient.

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By daybedoe, March 17, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment
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Least we forget, a week after 9/11 and then in October as well, anthrax was
released in the U.S.  One would think that the use of a WMD on the general public
would be considered an act of terrorism.  But the mantra most republicans
repeated during the Bush years was that “We haven’t been attacked since 9/11”
implying that those anthrax attacks were indeed not acts of terrorism.  When
Bruce Ivins was finally indicted for these attacks 7 years later, he was deemed a
“sociopathic homicidal killer” and “revenge killer” by his psychotherapist.  He also
supposedly had a grudge against a sorority.  Unfortunately this “crazy man”
committed suicide so the case never came to trial.  The F.B.I promised to release
the information regarding the case.  Still waiting.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 17, 2010 at 4:14 am Link to this comment

Well ITW, you hit it on the head in terms of the family dynamics in dealing with AZ and aging parents. It absolutely makes all the difference in the world. Meantime, I love the ‘now the gloves come off part’. In other words, I’ve had my 5 minutes of empathy, eh?  But that’s OK. I look forward to it. I love to argue with people who know how to argue. You’re probably among my favorites.
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Glad I gave you a chuckle!

When a friend of mine had a brain tumor removed (lung cancer metastasized there), I walked in after his surgery and said “I see your hemorrhoid operation was successful!”  He stared at me for nearly 5 seconds and started laughing uncontrollably. What can I say?  Irreverence is a gift! (sorta)

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By cyrena, March 17, 2010 at 12:21 am Link to this comment

Well ITW, you hit it on the head in terms of the family dynamics in dealing with AZ and aging parents. It absolutely makes all the difference in the world. Meantime, I love the ‘now the gloves come off part’. In other words, I’ve had my 5 minutes of empathy, eh?  But that’s OK. I look forward to it. I love to argue with people who know how to argue. You’re probably among my favorites.
By Wm. McDevitt, March 13 at 4:05 pm #
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•  “If your White Your disgruntled, angry, or Fustrated. If your brown or have a middle eastern sounding name, Your a Damned Ter’rist!”
I’d say that pretty much sums it up!!
By Reader, March 13 at 3:02 pm #
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•  I don’t think Bedell was right wing.  He was a 9/11 truther, and you’d generally describe them as far left.
I’d have to disagree with this Reader, in part because left/right/center no longer have these meanings. In fact, I don’t believe these ‘directional descriptions should ever have been used to define political ideologies. They tend to confuse people. The same can be said of liberal and conservative. Now those USED to have some meaning, but they don’t anymore, because nobody seems to know what the hell conservative/liberal even mean in the political sense. I too am a ‘9/11 truther’ but under no circumstances am I ‘far left’, or ‘far’ anything for that matter.

It’s really all about the language, and how those who dictate the ‘meaning’ of things choose to spin it. In reality, ‘far’ ANYTHING’ is radical/extreme, and it doesn’t matter if it’s left or right, because at some point, (depending on how ‘far’ we go) the two will eventually converge. In other words, the ‘far left’ will eventually meet up with the ‘far right’.

So the so-called 9/11 truthers (and WHO came up with THAT designation?) may be just your average inquiring minds who already KNOW that the official version of 9/11 is a lie, and so we want the truth to be known. There’s nothing particularly left or right about truth advocates, because the truth doesn’t have a ‘direction’ or a political agenda. The so-called 9/11 truthers are also pegged as conspiracy theorists, as if that’s some ‘bad thing’. But in reality (again) the events of 9/11 WERE a CONSPIRACY! Regardless of who initiated the conspiracy, that’s exactly what it was. SOMEBODY(S) CONSPIRED to carry out that operation. Some put the conspiracy on al-Qaeda, and some put it on Cheney/Rumsfeld. I happen to be among the ones who put it on Cheney/Rumsfeld.

HOWEVER…that is NOT to say that al-Qaeda (or any other non-state actors) didn’t want or hope to accomplish something similar, because global terrorism is very, very, very real, and logic says that at some point, the rest of the globe would want to ‘strike back’ at the US establishment because of our decades of aggressive global hegemony. But that’s what makes false flag operations effective. There’s always some element of truth to any conspiracy/propaganda, which is the only way they serve their intended purpose.

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By samosamo, March 16, 2010 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

By Inherit The Wind, March 16 at 8:20 pm
““But you covered 5 topics in one post, instead of 5 or 10 posts! 
Good going! Keep up the good work!”“
*************************************

Really though, since he promised on this post:

““By ofersince72, March 16 at 4:53 am #
By the way TD posters, many of you will be glad to hear,
this has to be my last post.  I just recieved my second
warning,  the first was very warranted and I am most
embarrassed,  it was several months ago when I first
came on the the web and on to TD…It was really stupid.
This second one is kind of silly, more or less I am really
not welcome here…About that guy in China…”“
****************************

How can you take someone’s word when the claim to do
something when all that you heard was coming from the side of
his face (see above) and probably claiming ‘exclusion’ from TD
to gain some kind of sympathetic ear.

Like someone using both a belt and suspenders to keep his/her
pants from falling down but I did call this correctly:

By samosamo, March 15 at 10:19 am
““See you later dwight but that is a fool’s hope as I know you will
just keep trolling away.””

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By FRTothus, March 16, 2010 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

I’m surprised the building didn’t collapse.  Isn’t that what happens when planes hit buildings (and even when they don’t) now-a-days?

The US is the greatest threat to world peace, the greatest source of state-sponsored terrorism, and has been for a very long time.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 16, 2010 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, March 16 at 5:19 pm #

Democracy Now’s guest today,,  journalist Charles Bowden

put a stamp on what I have been “ranting”  on TD for
four months.

NAFTA…....has wrecked our neighbor to the South…and

that Kucinacah will in the end, lock and step with Dems.


and that journalism is this country is almost
non-existant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I can’t be quiet !!)

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But you covered 5 topics in one post, instead of 5 or 10 posts!  Good going! Keep up the good work!

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By ofersince72, March 16, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

Democracy Now’s guest today,,  journalist Charles Bowden

put a stamp on what I have been “ranting”  on TD for
four months.

NAFTA…....has wrecked our neighbor to the South…and

that Kucinacah will in the end, lock and step with Dems.


and that journalism is this country is almost
non-existant !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I can’t be quiet !!)

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By Inherit The Wind, March 16, 2010 at 3:40 am Link to this comment

Ofersince72:
I don’t know what the admin warned you for, but from my POV, and even from that of people who VEHEMENTLY disagree with me on everything else, ALL you had to do was stop the excessive serial posting.  Lots of people post 2,3, 4 or even 5 posts, but usually because each one has hit the 4000 char limit.  You would post 11 posts, some short, some long.  Why? Just use paragraphs.

Cyrena: I think I know what you are going through as we are in the same situation with my mom (Dad’s gone).  Mom’s Alzheimer’s is very difficult to handle, but I have the advantage that my siblings are ALL pitching in, each as much as he is capable, which is a lot.  But it’s a battle.  Now, it’s mainly memory loss both long and short term, and confusion.  We don’t know whether Mom is telling us about today’s doctor visit or last week’s.  Ensuring she takes her meds correctly is also a problem.  We each have a lot going on in our lives with jobs, spouses, kids, an EX-spouse(1 sib), etc. and Mom’s care and attention wears out all of us.  So I can just imagine what handling two aged Alzheimer’s parents with just yourself is like.

My dad’s aging was nothing like that. He had almost no memory loss, just a lot of hearing loss. Happily, no MOM syndrome at all—just slightly eccentric, but lovable to the end.  That, more than anything led to Mom’s decline, from brilliant, dynamic, fearless community organizer to confused and frightened little old lady—still a nice person though, but, like many AZ patients, getting a little aggressive in her confusion.

I’m glad to see you back and wish you well.

Now off with the gloves! smile

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By PatrickHenry, March 16, 2010 at 3:36 am Link to this comment

By ofersince72, March 16 at 3:03 am #

I guess with this new avatar feature at Truthdig, I should change my photo before those who seem insulted by everything except their own insults “report this”. 

Personally, I believe in the freedom to rant here at Truthdig, although the vultures will pick you to pieces, so to speak.  If you were reported, it wasn’t from me.

Just a suggestion, stay away from airplanes and lay off the microdot.

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By ofersince72, March 16, 2010 at 1:53 am Link to this comment

By the way TD posters, many of you will be glad to hear,
this has to be my last post.  I just recieved my second
warning,  the first was very warranted and I am most
embarrassed,  it was several months ago when I first
came on the the web and on to TD…It was really stupid.
This second one is kind of silly, more or less I am really
not welcome here…About that guy in China…

Its been a hoot,  I told myself after the blow job
impeachment that I was never going to read or comment on
any American politics again in my life, I burnt just about
every book I owned and every news rag that I had saved
for over twenty years.  I should have known it would be
a very frustrating experience again, especially on a
main stream type of media outlet.

I have gone out of my way not to be drug into a name
calling match even though it has been tempting, I knew
that there would be some choice names for me and my beliefs going into this.

I am not going to wait around for the third warning,
there has been much that has been neglected around here,
probably have the web turned off,  this is all i used
the web for other than talking to heather in florida, she
calls every night anyhow and my e males to her usually get
me in as much trouble with her as my posts on TD get me
here,  get called worse names,  worse than baboon !!!!
(which was my favorite). Anyway, mathmatically, we are
out of the race voting our way out of this mess that we
are in.  It is true,  I have tracked the C02 since 1985
and it can’t be brought down by man !!!!! While greening
is always the right thing to do, it is tooo late to stop
a climate collapse.  I have a good spot here in the Ozarks
to be as self-sufficient as our society makes posible.
Am hunkered down,  live very cheaply,  and have been
blessed with pretty good health for a 61 yr old. I am sure
you all could tell that I do have a personal dispute
that goes back many years with Uncle Sam,  I won’t go
into the gross injustice that was done to me, for Sam’s sake,  but it has caused the taxpayers quite a few dollars
in shut up money through the years that they are still
paying out, a waste of money over me !!!  It took me
thirty seven years to retrieve the evidence to prove my
story,  it is almost as sad as Tillman’s.
So later TD posters,  I finish with the ending…
remember simple G&D CUZIAM

you would think I would have a lot of kinship
all this wrappin on me,
but that ain’t the way its worked
cuz here is how it be…

the REDNECKS think I’m a HIPPIE
and they poke a lot of fun a me,
and the NIGGERS think I’m a REDNECK
and they stay the hell away from me, but ima (not true)

redneck, nigger and a hippie
all wrapped up in one,
a redneck, nigger and a hippie
and it’s been a lot of fun !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 16, 2010 at 12:36 am Link to this comment

i will only make 4 posts in a row this time….

I pretty sure you all got my point yesterday…

This country needs very much to clean its own closets
out before it defines others…. i believe you all got
that….I didn’t cast any aspersions to anyone while
making that point except to TD.  They were only about
ten one liners in a row , not hard to get by when you
look at the Calling All Rebels blog.  I am very upset
with my government…..not the quack with the airplane..
It is not my call to make to topic of discussions and
maybe not even any of my business to comment on how silly
i believe it is to have so many discussions whether that
quacks act was a terrorist act or not, Ardee and Patrick
were probably right that I just should have stated that
and shut up…....it was a sarcastic article making the
same point i was trying to make..who gives a crap…
But I very much give a crap to know , before they make
it law,  how much it is going to cost my friend when she
is mandated to buy health insurance,  she has prayed for
years to have health care coverage,  will she be able to
afford the mandates?  Was hoping maybe one of the TD
journalist just might answer that question….......
Congress can’t….

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By ofersince72, March 16, 2010 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

patrick,  I believe the point was wondering
          what the point is defining what is
          considered a terrorist act…......

          and Truth Digs fascination
          I believe this is about the third
          discussion on this subject in two weeks

          Just wondering why .........
          thought maybe unwrapping just what
          is in   that “health care”  bill
          might be a little more of concern to
          everyone…...
  P.S. GOOD PIC WITH UR POST !!!!!!!!
GIVE ME LIBERTY….....................OR GIVE ME MUSIC

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 11:49 pm Link to this comment

IS   OUR   C O M M A N D E R   I N   C H I E F

  CONSIDERED A   T E R R O R I S T ??????????????

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 11:47 pm Link to this comment

My 1st term Democrat Senator voted NO to end

a filibuster on   a   bill   that   would have

provided   jobs   for   underprivledged   youth

and also extend   unemployment benifits…

She voted   yes   on   all   money to WALL STREET

  IS THIS CONSIDERED TERRORISM….........?????????

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By cyrena, March 15, 2010 at 10:58 pm Link to this comment

By Sodium, March 14 at 4:40 am #
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Re: cyrena,March 14 at 12:07 am.
Dear cyrena,
It is really a delight reading your post. I hope that the health of your mother has improved so that I can read your most thorough and interesting posts more often here on TD threads as in the good ol’ days when,as far as I am concerned,you were the one who had set the standard for patience,dedication and thoroughness in discussing any issue. When all of a sudden you disappeared,I really have missed all of that. Above all I have missed a good friend whom I have never met-a friend in proposing novel ideas and stimulating critical thinkings for serving the common good.
The echo of your firm stand for,and adherence to human rights,has lived on,on those various threads of TD,since I have tried to continue following your steps,whenever I had found appropriate to do so. I know for certain,I could not possibly match your thoroughness,patience and dedication since I was/am bound by my family obligations and lack of time you were aware of then. I post only after such family obligations are met in a satisfactory manner. Otherwise,I simply cannot.
~~~~
Dearest Sodium, ITW and Patrick Henry….
Thanks so much for your kind words.  I’ve missed you all, and that’s the truth. The caregiving of my parents has literally monopolized my life, and has left room for little else.  In fact, it came close to wiping ME out, and from a pragmatic viewpoint, that really isn’t helpful. So I am attempting to get a little bit of myself back, and hopefully that will improve over time.

I can’t say that my mother’s health is improving, since she is afflicted with what I’ve considered to be an epidemic now, for quite some time: The dreaded Alzheimer’s.  There is no cure, so we all desperately need to focus on prevention. Still, she is stable now, and that actually IS a major improvement.  I feel overwhelmingly grateful for the facility that we were able to find for her, because the staff and the set-up provides so very much more than I could ever have hoped to provide for her at home, and I’m close enough to spend time with her every day.  Her physical health is good, and she is able to enjoy a quality of life that she simply did not have with just my stepfather taking care of her, particularly since his own health is extremely poor as well.  He has a milder case of the dementia, in addition to a plethora of other medical problems made worse by MOM (Mean Old Man) Syndrome.  They’ve both been terrorized by my half-sibling for 50 years (now THERE is a terrorist) so the damage is pretty permanent. She’s not likely to be happy until we’re ALL in the ground, and even that would be temporary, and she’d need new targets.

I wouldn’t feel so bad about whining if I thought we were the only ones with this struggle, but I know that is most certainly not the case. Like I said…this is an epidemic that we (as a society) have been woefully unprepared to deal with, but I think that is improving. I hold out hope that it will. Still, it’s a struggle.  So I think I’m back, but admittedly I don’t have the time that I used to.
I’m also hoping that I can convince a few of you to join me on facebook. I’d avoided that particular network for a time, primarily because of privacy issues. (one former TD commentator/stalker actually DID track me down on FB) But the setup seems decent enough,  (at least in terms of the privacy) so I’ll try to send a few private messages via the TD apparatus so that you’ll be able to find and connect with me if any of you choose to. I’m using my very own name/profile on that social network, so with the exception of Sodium, I don’t think the rest of you could find me.  That’s why I’ll attempt the private messages.

Fond regards,

Carla (aka Cyrena’s mama)

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By G.Anderson, March 15, 2010 at 9:51 pm Link to this comment

In the final analysis, John Patrick Bedell, is just a dead peasant. Of no concern. His only threat was his potential to stir the other dead peasants into action. Turning him into a terrorist is an attempt to keep the other dead peasants from being so stirred.

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By nemesis2010, March 15, 2010 at 7:16 pm Link to this comment

By firefly, March 14 at 9:27 pm #

US Government definitions:

Terrorist
- an aggressive foreigner (or someone deemed to be foreign) who doesn’t like you and whose grievance you don’t understand nor want to understand.

Freedom fighter
- an aggressive foreigner that you like, and approve of because he’s fighting your enemies even if you don’t really understand why.

Deranged individual
– a citizen who behaves like a terrorist but you can understand what he’s angry about.

That sums it all nicely!

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By Inherit The Wind, March 15, 2010 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

11 posts in a row by ObnoxiousSince72. That’s got to be something of a record.

Everyone sing out who actually READS them anymore.

Anybody? Crickets chirping?

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By felicity, March 15, 2010 at 12:37 pm Link to this comment

It’d be much easier if we just quit putting labels on people (terrorist, socialist, communist, liberal, wingnut…)  True, labels tend to stop all thought processes - maybe some of what a guy stands for or what he says makes sense? - but thinking demands way too much time (and it detracts us from the pleasure of thinking about absolutely nothing.)

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By samosamo, March 15, 2010 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

offensive00000

You mean you are not dwit beeker? Shrue had me fooled with
all this repeated nonsense that does more to disrupt any
reasonable discourse at what was, until you reared your
offensive self back on this site, a way to find some coherency.

Besides what have you accomplished besides calling out what
you decide are issues which you try to appear to have the
answer(s) but, as like any neo-conservative, your act of
tantalizingly keeping your remedy from everybody to shame
them into thinking they are ‘unworthy’ of your
acknowledgement which makes your arrogance all that more
disruptive and befitting of everyone ignoring you and/or reporting your comments as they should.

See you later dwight but that is a fool’s hope as I know you will just keep trolling away.

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

and still haven’t heard any numbers crunched..

  on Obama’s health care bill…..on just how
 
  much someone making less than   25k   is going
 
  to   be   mandated   to   pay the insurance

  companies to deny   them   health   care. !!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

S I M P L E   S O L U T I O N

lets keep them talking about terrorism for 20 more years!!

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 6:12 am Link to this comment

Most posters don’t want change, they want to talk about
change which is very evident with the 356 to 65 vote.
How did so many war supporting lawmakers get in office
without widespread support.

Most can’t even identify the change they want…
other than saying….we want to end the wars..
If asked what other change,  very little responce,,,we
believe the TARP didn’t go far enough????????????
the great liberal economists….spewing nonsense.
Not one tackles the notion that most all jobs in the U.S.
of A are now dependent on these wars !!!! or offer a
solution to this employment predicament,  other than
WE NEED MORE UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE AND GOTTA GET SOME
HIGHWAYS PROJECTS GOIN…
That is about all the change you hear, that isn’t a change
Not one has spoken out against the almost illegal trade
agreements we…well not illegal, wrong term, but they
should be !!!!!!!!  Or act is if building wind generators
is the solution to most manufacturing except for weapons
leaving the U.S.  of A .....
What Change…..two cell phones in every hand???
Three web screens in your vehicle…????
and they are once again working on a new immigration bill
...that ought to tie some journalist up for a while with
their yellow crap.

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 5:47 am Link to this comment

There is a pattern to TD that is fairly easy to pick up
on…an almost cultish attraction to Hedges.
Also…most all posters have critisized U.S. involvement
in Iraq and Afganistan…...yet
TD…offered three different articles recently covering
the elections and U.S.  involvement in Iraq and they
mostly went ignored…
Afgan, following U.S. policy of limiting and censoring
journalists coverage of the carnage, was forced by its
citizenry to reverse that policy somewhat…..
TD offered a post on this…....not one comment.
So I well understand many being disturbed by some of
my one liner comments.
It is yet just another example of “feel good”  progressivism..
BY THE WAY…...  3 5 6   T O   6 5   W A R   W O N !!

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 12:18 am Link to this comment

Our government has been trying to build a foundation
around rot since the days of Joe McCarthy…We didn’t
get rid of the communism smear…..just censored Joe and
and kept on going with what was then
THE WAR ON COMMMUNISM…..giving the excuse to waste
all our resources to the upper elite and their military
machine….with blood to spare…and kept it right on
going until it was turned into the WAR ON TERROR…which
was started well before 911….
We started throwing the TERRORIST word around even before
we stopped blaming all the worlds woes on communism, all
so our government could throw all the tax money they could
collect upstairs to   their good ole corporate friends…...You can demonize my words all you want
but you can’t cover the truth…..the shambles of a
society that are a result of this waste is all around you

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

It isn’t I that needs the Dwight Baker label

SAMOSAMO   .....IT   IS   YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 15, 2010 at 12:00 am Link to this comment

As a matter of fact,,  I believe terror is discussed
a whole lot more now than it was during the Bush years.
I bet TD has had ten posts at least in the last month
discussing terror and terrorist,  who is and who isn’t,
yet rarely is the phoney War on Terror discussed. When
discussed,  it usually is in some supportive manner, like
in Iraq and Afgan and Iran, and Yeaman and Somalia
and Pakistan and , want some more?,,,are all legitimate
wars on terror?  Screwed Journalism.
Every one has its roots in economics and resources.
not one journalist dicusses them in that context….
All going lock and step for the Corporations that benifit
from these conquests.. How or Who calls them resource
wars???
356 to   65   war won…..I will keep reminding you!!
Three trillion to Wall Street ...i will keep reminding you
excess of one trillion every year to war, i willkeeprmdgU
the War on Terror is a lie… I will keep reminding you
EVERYTIME YOU POST A ARTICLE DEFINING TERRORISM….I WILL
THEY ARE A DIVERSION TRICK OF SELF SERVING JOURNALISTS.!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

TOPICS OF TERRORISM

That is all we heard during the Bush years until most of us
were sickened by the very word.. Post after post taking
Bush to task for his war on terror and for using the word
terror as an excuse for every bad policy or waste of
money to no bid contracts he handed out.
The center , left of center and the left all joined
in their disgust in the use of terror to waste our money
or take away our rights.  With a new administration,
most thought that this misrepresentation was on its way
out.
Now,  still,  every other article is about terrorism,
that really only exists due to very bad jounrnalism
that serves its owners and military friends.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

apologies…..i believe took somethingpersonalthtwasnt
          meantfor mefirfly
samosamo…...uoweme1

and I owe the post for so many in a row
because of mydisgustofthetopicofterrorismapologizes
ardeeanotherptwelltaken

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

notoriously,  the left, or liberal or progressive, which
ever name that is used now days,  has always banded in
cliques and never has been able to unite thus the
disorganization the left is always in

This class also happens to be some of our most educated
and has always, probably unconsciencely, carried a little
uppityness.  This has distanced itself from many who would
otherwise be fighting the same social causes fights.
There is nothing deranged in any of the posts made,
took on journalism and capitol hill,  the same thing
almost every poster on TD does daily.
I used words like   “gunslingers”,  are they not?
It is hard not to use the word “I” when defending ones
self from deranged tagging,  from someone who probably
hasn’t accomplished anymore in life than “I”.
Those names bounch off usually with no anger,
Want to Mansonize me?  for what, the same things you
all are saying.  The Calling all Rebels Post ????
It is you that needs the pity…......

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 9:24 pm Link to this comment

while the author took a different approach to discuss
terrorism,  it is still yet another discussion trying
to define terrorism…..

It is a silly discussion when out government is the
world’s largest exporter of terror, both in weapon
sales, give away, and resource wars.

That is what the multible posts reflected, no matter
the stuffed shirt reaction.

P.S. Night Gaunt…always receptive to ur critisizm
only a couple of “I”  in about 20 posts….u picked the 1
and i have offered many ideas in the last four months,
not going to repeat them again.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 14, 2010 at 9:02 pm Link to this comment

,i>“I don’t believe I have seen one post on Truth Dig
that offers any solutions or any ideas of how to effect
any change from all the social evils they rail and
rail about…”</i>ofersince72

Couldn’t have found a better summation of your work. Quality not quantity really counts. Please practice it some time won’t you? And your answers are..?

One thing that can be done is to stop treating corporations as super-humans. Next stop the flow of wealth from the rest of us to the top 10%. That would benefit us all, keeping our economy stable as would our civilization.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 8:56 pm Link to this comment

Most everyone is kinda like Ronald Reagon
or Barrack Obama

can talk and talk and fluff you to death.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 8:53 pm Link to this comment

I don’t believe I have seen one post on Truth Dig
that offers any solutions or any ideas of how to effect
any change from all the social evils they rail and
rail about…

Mostly just a bunch of discussion of the ills, mostly
the inadequate ideas of the tea baggers.

No one speaks of just what change they were looking
for with this administration…

But everyone is quick to demonize someone else.

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By Virginia from Virginia, March 14, 2010 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

Several years ago, the United Nations (as I recall) at the instigation of the United States, worked diligently to define “terrorism” but, because of U.S. objections to phrases in the suggested verbage, couldn’t come up with a definition.  So we have no real meaning of what terrorism is.  (Next, you’ll be asking what “is” is.)  At the time of this impass I thought, “That’s because there are too many examples of no difference between Us Good Guys and Them Bad Guys.”

To digress slightly (from an article I copied several years ago - sorry I can’t cite authorship):

“The process for putting an organization on the “Terrorism list” is as follows: The Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism in the U.S. State Department (S/CT) monitors the activities of groups active around the world considered potentially terrorist to identify potential targets for designation. When reviewing potential targets, S/CT looks not only at the actual terrorist attacks that a group has carried out, but also at “whether the group may be inclined toward future acts of terrorism or retains the capability to carry out such acts”.

As of April 2007, a plurality (39%) of the organizations on the US Terrorism list represent Muslim groups recommended for inclusion by, among others, AIPAC and their friends in Congress. According to former AIPAC Director of Congressional Relations, Steve Rosen, soon to start his trial for passing classified information to Israel, “AIPAC owns the ‘T’ list!”

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 8:27 pm Link to this comment

You all called G. Bush deranged.
I believe that I was pretty explicit what i am angry
about….....  You aren’t angry ????  Any citizen that
isn’t angry needs to see a shrink.!!!!!!!!!!

I am sorry ,  I must have missed the Dwight Baker
episode….....just who is this person you are comparing
me tooooooooo??????????????

Anger?? Where do you think the tea party explosion
came from ??????  being giddy ????

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By firefly, March 14, 2010 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

US Government definitions:

Terrorist
- an aggressive foreigner (or someone deemed to be foreign) who doesn’t like you and whose grievance you don’t understand nor want to understand.

Freedom fighter
- an aggressive foreigner that you like, and approve of because he’s fighting your enemies even if you don’t really understand why.

Deranged individual
– a citizen who behaves like a terrorist but you can understand what he’s angry about.

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By samosamo, March 14, 2010 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

Reminds me of dwight baker.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

as pointless as a cell phone, as all mainstream articles
defining terrorism, as pointless as a “progessive” site
haveing blog after blog about Glen Beck and tea baggers,
as pointless as boycotting FedEx,  as pointless as
Dr. West’s discussion of fault lines, as pointless as
a “progressive” vote for Dems and Obama, as pointless
as not knowing what is in the most significant bill of
our times, as pointless as ITW,  and as pointless
as the ESKIMOS now descending on Tahiti.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 14, 2010 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Ofersince72:
You have managed to do what was formerly impossible:
Get Ardee, PatrickHenry and me to agree on something simultaneously—your idiotic, childish and disruptive style of multiple posts.  I’ve said it before.  Please stop it.  You convince NO ONE of anything other than you are on another planet.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment

It is pointless…...

  You asked first…...  What is your point ????

  Get me off of here ????  I’ll leave soon, on my own !!!

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By PatrickHenry, March 14, 2010 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

By ofersince72, March 14 at 6:51 pm #

I’m with ardee on this, make a point.

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By ardee, March 14, 2010 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

ofersince72, March 14 at 6:51 pm

Might I offer that, instead of such childish and inconsiderate action as posting multiple, and mostly nonsensical, posts you might take a moment to organize your thoughts and include them into a single offering.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

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///// ///// ///// /////.......SIXTY FIVE ,...WAR WON !!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

And the media corp just ignored as

ZINN, CHOMSKY, KLEIN, GOODMAN, FISK, COCKBURN,  AND

A WHOLE BUNCH MORE FED THEM ALL THE INFORMATION THEY
NEEDED TO SET OUR GOVERNMENT AND COUNTRY AS THE
SOCIETY THAT WE BRAG THAT WE ARE ALL OVER THE WORLD

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

However,  McMurtry sums it all up in his classic

  BUT YA   CAN’T   MAKE IT HERE   ANYMORE !!!!!!

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By firefly, March 14, 2010 at 3:35 pm Link to this comment

Ruman

I think you have missed the irony of the article. The point here is to demonstrate the idiocy of the American media’s (especially Fox) supposed distinction between good and bad guys. The author is mocking this distinction, as there is absolutely no difference.

I would take it one step further, because in my book there isn’t much difference between a soldier and a terrorist although that would be construed as politically not correct. Both soldiers and terrorists kill civilians, the difference being that soldiers are openly sanctioned to do so by their governments, and if that government happens to be white and American, they are doubly blessed with the right to commit murder.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

and of course the contemporary

  S O   M A N Y   S H A D E S   O F   B L A C K !!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment

The Tempts classic would also work here

  People moving in,
  People moving out,
  People changing home ,
  cause the color of their skin

  B A L L   O F   C O N F U S I O N !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

most remember this one

  It’s good news week
  someone dropped a bomb somewhere
  contaminating atmosphere
  and blackening the sky…...

  It’s good news week
  have you heard the news?
  what did it say?
  who won that war?
  what’s the weather like today
  It’s good news week !!!!!!!!!

“And then you tell me, over and over and over again
my friend,
how you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.!”

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

The U.S.  government is in the business of
  creating TERRORISTS to generate business
  for their friends who profit off of perpetual war.!!!

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By samosamo, March 14, 2010 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

The only real terror here is the ruse our government uses to
instill and maintain a irrational level of constant fear which is
why, after our home grown terrorists brought down both world
trade center towers and building 7 on 9/11, the proverbial ‘war
on terror’ would be a very strong part of that maintenance.

What ever happened by Reese Erlich’s post is that several
person’s being judged by their crimes as legitimate one thing or
legitimate another thing, none proving any thing more than a
crime committed, no matter how joe liarberman’s cold beer logic
tries to define a real attack of terrorism, most probably to hang
an attack of any kind as being terror around o’s neck when this
‘ghost war on terror’ is really a ‘war for convenience’.

And with the collaboration of the MSM with those in the MFICC
(military financial industrial congressional complex) it really
keeps far too many people’s over active minds to make
differentiations that distracts attention.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:38 pm Link to this comment

“WHATS SO HARD ABOUT PEACE, LOVE , AND UNDERSTANDING”?

      H O L M E S   B R O T H E R S

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

We had a good home but we left,
  we left,  we left, right ,left,
 
  We had a good home but we left,
  lock and step,  we left, ur right, we left,
  the journalists left us, they left
  we followed them lock and step, we left !!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

we saw some real good

  BI-PARTISIANSHIP   on that vote ,  didn’t we????????

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 12:36 pm Link to this comment

So Dennis,  my next beer is on you buddy.

Thank you for making those inept crooks vote !!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

356   TO 65   WAR WON ,  I sure hope they have
 
    a real nice Sunday Service today. !!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 12:25 pm Link to this comment

HERE LIES JOHN BROWN’S BODY
who in some kind of way must have been related
to S I T T I N G   B U L L who had to be related to
  F R E D E R I C   D O U G L A S

all of who should be able to answer the question of

  W H A T     I S   T E R R O R I S M ????

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By Ruman, March 14, 2010 at 12:12 pm Link to this comment

If Nidal Malik Hasan had a different name and came from a different place, you would not have the same stance you have now. Neither would you have the same stance if the other two people had Muslim names and came from Muslim areas. This article does not distinguish terrorist from “deranged individuals”. All it does is highlight your racism and prejudice toward the Muslim world, of which I am a part. Incidents 1 and 2 were white Americans killing innocent people because the government was doing something they did not like. Incident 3 was a Muslim American killing innocent people because the government was doing something he did not like. There is only one difference there. And that difference, in your view, makes only number 3 a terrorist. If you found someone who had not heard about any of these incidents and made all the perpetrators anonymous, they would not be able to tell you which one is a terrorist. And home-grown American terrorism is out there, such as the now infamous Jihad Jane. Terrorism is defined as “the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion”. Note that that sentence does not include the phrase “by Muslims or people of Arab descent”. ANYONE can do it. And you call the people who cannot make your “distinction” blind, when in reality you are blind to the fact that there is no distinction.

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By Sodium, March 14, 2010 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment
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Re: Volma,March 24 at 3:05 am.

Volma,

A great post. Thanks.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

****** 3 5 6   T O   6 5 *******  WAR WON !!!!!!

  The Hired Guns of Capitol Hill…..

who believe they have the right to define terrorism !!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 11:42 am Link to this comment

Our gunslinging lawmakers pick our pocket for at least

  $1, 000, 000, 000, 000. 00 every year plus the

blood of our youth and third world youth to protect
and secure the theft   of   whatever   resources
that the corporate elites ask   them toooooooooo.

Leaving our   schools,  communities,  infastructure
health care in no better   shape than the streets
of the capitol of   HATAI.

lETS DEFINE TERRORIST !!!!!!!!!!!!

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By nemesis2010, March 14, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Mr. Erlich:

And your problem is what exactly? You sound as if you have just recently learned that the AmeriCorp Empire is hypocritical and by its own definition a terrorist supporting State.

There’s a valid reason why Maj. Hasan is seen in a different light as Stack and Bedel. Maj. Hasan attacked those soldiers on behalf of those that AmeriCorp has labeled as the terrorist enemy; thus he is treated as a terrorist. Stack and Bedel are from inside the family and attacked on behalf of the family; thus they’re criminals. There are historical precedents for this; the RICO laws. Wasn’t “organized crime” seen and treated differently from everyday ordinary crime?

This may come as a shock to you but AmeriCorp’s war on terror is really about securing oil reserves. Unfortunately for Muslims, the world’s second largest oil reserves are in Iraq and the land coveted by the Empire for a critical pipeline and control of heroin is Afghanistan. That should make it clear that AmeriCorp’s war on terror is really AmeriCorp’s pillaging of coveted resources. The people occupying those lands just happen to be Muslim. ”It’s not personal Erlich; it’s just business.” AmeriCorp needed a reason to invade the coveted lands and 9/11 served that purpose well. How else can one explain attacking two countries that never attacked AmeriCorp? 

Haven’t you lived well benefitting from this system? Are you equally upset by the terrorism perpetrated on the people by Wall Street terrorist bankers? How many lives have those terrorists destroyed? Despite this, not only are those terrorist not labeled terrorists but rather than find themselves in Guantanamo they are often invited to the W.H. and serve in the Treasury!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

P A X   A M E R I C A N A  

never existed
if fact the United States has never been since WWII
the worlds police force…....

We have been the worlds corporate gunslinger
THE HIRED GUN   by you know the names of the corps…

Our whole economic system is cemented in being the world’s
hired gun.  It has bankrupt US, WE , AMERICAN CITIZEN.
Through the years it has made just about every job in
America dependent on THE HIRED GUN ......

For any journalist or educated cititzen to discuss
the definition of terrorism is as cynical as it gets….
I suggest everyone go ask the victims of the present
drone attacks just what terrorism is.
A M E R I C A   THE   V I C T I M ....my ass..!!!!!!

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By Anarcissie, March 14, 2010 at 10:01 am Link to this comment

Stack’s manifesto is pretty clearly political, even if vague, so I would put him in the terrorist category along with the KKK, McVeigh, anti-abortion bombers, and so forth.  For me (following general usage) terrorism consists of acts intended to create terror performed for political purposes by non-state actors.  States and quasi-state forces (like guerrilla bands) use terror as a matter of course, so the term “terrorist state” is more or less redundant.

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By PatrickHenry, March 14, 2010 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

Cyrena, where ya been?

I concur with you that Bush, Cheney & Co. were and still are “boardroom” terrorists.  Shining icons to the world of American state sponsered terrorism.

Incapable of getting their hands dirty by lack of knowledge of things that go boom, they were in the position of classifing covert operations which ran afoul of international and United States law to achieve corporate goals.

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By Lo, March 14, 2010 at 7:27 am Link to this comment
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so in your definition Reese,
American soldiers that attack, say, Iraqi buildings…in name of democracy and freedom are terrorists. its political…and tactical…and is using violence to perpetrate an ideology, as well as continue a much bigger frame which is democracy…

mmmh, sure…then if you include that in your definition of terrorists i could potentially see what you’re saying.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 14, 2010 at 7:19 am Link to this comment

cyrena, March 14 at 6:33 am #

By Richard_Ralph_Roehl, March 13 at 11:10 pm
•  “The term (terrorist) is political.”

Not it isn’t Richard. It’s TACTICAL. Terrorism is a TACTIC, frequently used to achieve a political agenda, but not always. The KKK were/are terrorists. The Dick Bush regime were/are TERRORISTS. The Tamil Tigers, (the first group to use suicide attacks as a weapon to gain political advantage) would be considered terrorists. That’s why one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter.
The guy who rammed his airplane into the building in Austin was a nut job, not a terrorist, because he didn’t scare anybody into doing anything that they would not otherwise be willing to do.

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Cyrena! Nice to see you back!

I agree and have said so: Terrorism is a tactic.  However I disagree that Bush & Co are Terrorist.  But the difference is subtle and semantic.

I argue that governments engage in terror, but private groups engage in terrorism. But let me be clear: I see them as moral equivalents and equally abhorrent. Terror as a tactic goes back forever.  Genghis Khan used terror as a weapon, once wiping out every soul in a city of 160,000—more than the Hiroshima A-bomb.  Using nuclear weapons was a terror tactic, not terrorism.  Similar goals, moral equivalents.  But not the same.

McVeigh and the KKK are clearly terrorists.

At first I thought Stack was a terrorist, but since he seems to have been a loner, not directed by a group like Al Qaeda, the old Weathermen, or Montana “Minutemen” I see him as a crazy murderer.

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By cyrena, March 14, 2010 at 3:33 am Link to this comment

By Richard_Ralph_Roehl, March 13 at 11:10 pm
•  “The term (terrorist) is political.”

Not it isn’t Richard. It’s TACTICAL. Terrorism is a TACTIC, frequently used to achieve a political agenda, but not always. The KKK were/are terrorists. The Dick Bush regime were/are TERRORISTS. The Tamil Tigers, (the first group to use suicide attacks as a weapon to gain political advantage) would be considered terrorists. That’s why one person’s terrorist is another person’s freedom fighter.
The guy who rammed his airplane into the building in Austin was a nut job, not a terrorist, because he didn’t scare anybody into doing anything that they would not otherwise be willing to do.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:11 am Link to this comment

In this country you have to dig, and dig, and dig
  and dig and dig…....and still have a hard time
  getting any real news.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  and most citizens are toooo damn busy with their
  lives to do all that digging since no news is
  reported…\

  Hence,  you have tea baggers following idiots
  give our citizens some news and maybe you won’t
    have to worry about the likes of beck or limbaugh!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 3:06 am Link to this comment

J O U R N A l I S M

  The work of gathering, writing, editing, and publishing
  or disseminating news.

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

So could Truth Dig drill beneath the headlines and find
out a little about this bill for us ???

Hey Eugene…......Where are you Journalist ??????

Find something out for us instead of sucking up to dems

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:53 am Link to this comment

I have a friend (believe it or not), she is 52, she
makes about $400 a week, or about 20k a year. She has
no health ins., I believe it is prexist cond, but no
matter she couldn’t afford anyway.

In this bill, has anyone heard of any numbers of how
this bill will help her?  How much , if any will the
gov pay? when will it start?  Is she still going to have
to pay $500 a month for her part (she can’t do it)

The point is ,  we haven’t been told jack just what is
in this bill !!!!!!!!!!!!! NO NUMBERS AT ALL…...
NO TIME AS TO WHEN !!!!!!!!! WE HAVEN’T BEEN TOLD ANYTHING
OF WHAT AND HOW AND WHEN AND HOW MUCH ......NOTHING !!!!!
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT SOME MANDATES THOUGH, THATS ALL!!
THAT IS   T E R R O R I S M   sending us a health care
bill and we know nothing about it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, March 14, 2010 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

I need to revise my math…..I previously stated on another blog that it would take 4 to 5 election cycles,
without losing any seats to repubs, and having just
“progressive” Dems to win the the primaries to have
enough votes to in the House to start to take out country
back….. That needs revision…

Since the Kucinach peace bill lost 356 to 65 (war won)
it appears that it will take at least 10 election cycles
of not losing one primary in any district challenging
incumbant corpocrat democrats. That is the best case
scenario….20 years…...without losing…
The Senate will take longer.
God Bless’ everyone !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By Sodium, March 14, 2010 at 12:40 am Link to this comment
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Re: cyrena,March 14 at 12:07 am.

Dear cyrena,

It is really a delight reading your post. I hope that the health of your mother has improved so that I can read your most thorough and interesting posts more often here on TD threads as in the good ol’ days when,as far as I am concerned,you were the one who had set the standard for patience,dedication and thoroughness in discussing any issue. When all of a sudden you disappeared,I really have missed all of that. Above all I have missed a good friend whom I have never met-a friend in proposing novel ideas and stimulating critical thinkings for serving the common good.

The echo of your firm stand for,and adherence to human rights,has lived on,on those various threads of TD,since I have tried to continue following your steps,whenever I had found appropriate to do so. I know for certain,I could not possibly match your thoroughness,patience and dedication since I was/am bound by my family obligations and lack of time you were aware of then. I post only after such family obligations are met in a satisfactory manner. Otherwise,I simply cannot.

Welcome back,cyrena,and I hope that it will be for good this time.

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By ofersince72, March 13, 2010 at 11:48 pm Link to this comment

Oh crap,  ABORIGINES are holed up in AMSTERDAM !!!!

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By Volma, March 13, 2010 at 11:05 pm Link to this comment

I feel emotionally terrorized every time I read the news, especially mainstream or Fox News…My personal belief since shortly after 911 was that the terrorists real terrorists were certain factions of our own government, Bush Cheney and whoever else involved, a probably huge cast of national and international moguls, elite rich, who ever gains the most…We live in such a dark age, and the fear monging by the media, the hate the oppression is unbelievable….The US citizens are tools, used to terrorize we have become the terrorists around the world and at home, how very appropriate…(What comes around goes around?) The infrastructure of the US is going down down down, we are just slowing sliding to our demise…Really, yet it’s a good thing, hopefully maybe/ but who knows, the stupid, ugly materialists, who want the malls, cars, toys, materialistic consumption of owning, the American dream as on commercials, TV and movies to continue as usual, could possibly wake up?...Wake up to see the truth, that they have been manipulated on all sides to support death, war, misery, poverty, hate, fear, us against them..Wake up to the fact that this country has been deliberately deconstructed, that our constitutional rights are all but gone and that we are so close to being under total fascist rule it’s not funny…Self deception, justification,  the real worship of their God MATERIALISM Capitalism, rule these people…The army psychiatrist was no more a terrorist than the guy who flew the plan into the building…The only real difference, is that the plane guy flipped out because of money, murdered/injured innocent workers, devastated his own wife and kid, burned their home down, because the US gov was taking away all his financial assets (booofrickenhoo)...The psychiatrist seems to have flipped out because he didn’t want to be part of an immoral, illegal, evil war, he couldn’t take it anymore…So who died and killed for morals, for humanity, protection of all that is good sacred and innocent, morality and convictions that were altruistic, and not materially motivated?  I guess it was the plane guy, the other guy was just a terrorists….

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By jsper, March 13, 2010 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

Why should we try to identify what the media calls ‘terrorism’? Does it do us any good? Should we instead put our collective heads in the sand and just switch off? Or should we march in the streets as I did in NY before the occupation of Iraq began? When hundreds of bicyclists were arrested and held in squalor for 2 days by police with serious ‘attitudes’? and a media that barely covered the days event?
Who knows? Those with grudges toward the IRS who blow up buildings and insist on the ‘right to bare arms’ are the reason behind this obsession to scapegoat ‘foreigners’ as the enemy… be they mexicans or arabs….
The banking meltdown happened because in the US, materialism is king over co-operation and community.. The world is manipulated by 100 rich families playing real life video games! Terrorism is a word perpetuated by the media to put us all to sleep.

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By cyrena, March 13, 2010 at 8:07 pm Link to this comment

“There seems to be some confusion about who are the real terrorists these days.”

Yep. Been that way since the Judicial Coup of 2000 when the real terrorists kicked this whole thing off. Nine months later, we got 9/11.

By Andy, March 13 at 7:46 am #
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“Wasn’t Timothy Mcvay referred as a terrorist? I believe the “unabomber” was referred to as a terrorist as well, though on that I’m not as certain. The Shoebomber has also been widely referred to as a terrorist as well.”

Yes Andy, they WERE referenced as terrorists because that’s what they were/are, at least according to the official definition of ‘terrorist’/terrorism. The people who carried out the Boston Tea Party were terrorists.

It’s probably accurate to say that most political violence (AKA TERRORISM)is accomplished by groups, but not always. Sometimes it’s a lone crazy wolf.

But this guy who flew his little tiny plane into a building doesn’t really qualify if only because he couldn’t possibly believe he was going to create the kind of terror that would be effective at scaring the shit out of a large segment of the population.

Acts of suicide have certainly been used in political terror for ages, (the weapon of the weak and weaponless) but this guy is just an updated version of all the folks that were jumping out of buildings in 1929, after that market crash.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 13, 2010 at 8:00 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, March 13 at 9:15 pm #

Ardee

Thanks for suggesting that the article was sarcasm. I guess I’m dense. I didn’t see the sarcasm, and I almost defined myself as a pre-April fool.

Clearly, seeing the intent of sarcasm in this article, is the only way this article can be perceived as being rational.
*********************************************

Why am I not surprised?

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By ofersince72, March 13, 2010 at 7:58 pm Link to this comment

I just shot two of the choppers down !!!!!!!

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By Richard_Ralph_Roehl, March 13, 2010 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

During the Revolutionary War, a war between two plutocratic classes, King George and the neoconic Tories in London referred to the Minutemen in the colonies as “terrorists.” THAT is the term they used to describe George Washington, et.al.

The term (terrorist) is political. Presently… it is a convenient labeling tool used by the corp-rat owned media in capitalist/fascist Amerika to $ell hegemony (and the hubis of empire) to the ignorant, fat ass masses for invasion and occupation of foreign lands (a.k.a.: re-$ource wars).

So… let me now give ewe corn syrup folks out there some other MacCarthyist propagan-duh terms employed by the Amerikan ruling class to further their fascist/capitaist agenda, namely the re-$ource wars briefly mentioned above.

Let’s start with guerrilla, insurgent, rebel, pinko, dissident, agent provocateur, $ub-versive, anarchist, commie, atheist, Muslim, etc. Frankly, it’s all the same animal… meaning any person or group of persons opposing the Amerikan ruling class (bankster gambler addicts in the Wall $treet casino, the macho Pentagon boners, ethno-racist KKKristian/Zionist wackos, pharmaceutical Nazis, rapacious and discompassionate insurance company corp-rats, talk hate radio propagandists, etc.).

Sad to say… the UNITED $TATES OF PERPETUAL WAR PROFITEERING has devolved into a beastly plutocrazy. The lone wolves out there (Bedell, Stack, Kazinsky, McVeigh, etc.) are part of the non Muslim vangard for open rebellion… birthing wide ‘espread’ civil disobedience and “McVeigh Franchises” (a.k.a.: guerrilla cells). In ten years or less, there will be no safe road for a rich man to drive his noisy Ferrari.

Allow me to reiterate the term: McVeigh Franchises. This is a phenomena slowly being born from the obscenely wide WEALTH GAP between the haves and the have $nots in the UNITED $TATES OF PERPETUAL WAR PROFITEERING. See it! See it! See the beast as it really is!

As for Joe Stacks, he was the first Amerikan $UICIDE BOMBER. Yesss! A non Muslim $uicide bomber! We can expect to see more of Joe Stack in the future… probably shooting up $hopping malls with automatic weapons (or maybe the lobby of Goldman $acks)... and then going out with forty pounds of C-4 plastik explosives as the glorious [sic] $wat Teams close in… on the so called guerrilla, pinko, insurgent, rebel, commie, atheist, $ub-versive, dissident, anarchist… “terrorist.”

I shall leave ewe faster poo food fools in Amerika with the following caveat. WHEN A MAN IS HUNGRY, IT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO BEHOLD. HOWEVER… WHEN A MAN SEES HIS CHILDREN HUNGRY, HE BECOMES EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.

Hopefully… the caveat give above will give the Amerikan ruling class something to think about. Perhaps compel them to come to their $enses? Eh?

Beware rich man! There are a lot of people out here who want a pound of flesh… and they want to roast that flesh over the flames of burning mansions.

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By 911truthdotorg, March 13, 2010 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

We are ALL “terrorists” now. This country is finished.

Homeland Security Unveils Mobile Mind Screening Checkpoints

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNXig2uJ-NM&feature=player_embedded

The N@zi’s finally won WWII.

Quote from Dr. Joseph Mengele:   
“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

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By berniem, March 13, 2010 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

Terrorist is reactionary-speak for scapegoat. Any person, group, or political/national entity that actively resists playing ball with our multinational fascio-corporate government becomes either a terrorist or purveyor thereof and is to be immediately crushed by our peace-loving military who sees no irony in classifying the murder of innocent foreign civilians as “collateral damage”. And of course we’ll hunt those rascals down until we get’um or their critical natural or strategic resources(which ever comes first; and we know which that is because we’re still a’huntin’ for them rascals). On the other hand somebody that that does something violent because of some personal, anti-social issues is just some criminal nut unless he/she pees in some big-time corporate Wheaties. Now class, since it’s almost April; was Guy Fawkes a terrorist?

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By JDmysticDJ, March 13, 2010 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Ardee

Thanks for suggesting that the article was sarcasm. I guess I’m dense. I didn’t see the sarcasm, and I almost defined myself as a pre-April fool.

Clearly, seeing the intent of sarcasm in this article, is the only way this article can be perceived as being rational.

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By P. T., March 13, 2010 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

One more point:  If an environmentalist were to fly a plane into a building, that would be terrorism—as in “eco-terrorism.”

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By P. T., March 13, 2010 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

Even though they are not civilians, an attack on U.S. military forces either at home or abroad is called terrorism.  The same is true of an attack on the CIA, a terrorist organization.  In addition, governments cannot be terrorists, although they can be state sponsors of terrorism.  The U.S. and Israel cannot even be state sponsors of terrorism.  It all gets pretty strange.

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By Calling 'Em Out, March 13, 2010 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment
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donho1965 idiotically wrote:

Joseph Stack ended his suicide note with ... The capitalist creed,(etc) ..
John Patrick Bedell Believed 911 was a plot cooked up
by George bush and other neocons …
do you really believe he was a white conservative?

So are you asserting donho1965, that “conservative = capitalist =
neocon”?  You may find you just insulted a lot of conservatives who were
against Bush’s corporate bailout (and the bailout of capitalism) and who want
no part of neocon thuggery.  donho1965 seems to be typical of so-called
“conservatives” who really are just about “situational politics”.

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By donho1965, March 13, 2010 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Joseph Stack ended his suicide note with “The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”
you really believe he was a white conservative?
John Patrick Bedell Believed 911 was a plot cooked up
by George bush and other neocons…white conservative?
why don’t you be honest to your readers

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By 505, March 13, 2010 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment
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how come one crazy person snaps and the media is all over it, but 20,000 non-psychotics kill people with guns every year, and that gets ignored?  why is the narrative connecting violent outburst with mental illness so important to the media?

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By Don Hopkinson, March 13, 2010 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment
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Joseph Stack ended his suicide note with “The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”
you really believe he was a white conservative?

John Patrick Bedell Believed 911 was a plot cooked up
by George bush and other neocons…white conservative?

why don’t you be honest to your readers

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By Wm. McDevitt, March 13, 2010 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment
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If your White Your disgruntled, angry, or Fustrated. If your brown or have a middle eastern sounding name, Your a Damned Ter’rist!

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By ENKI 2, March 13, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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The american government is willing to pay any cost in order to maintain its monopoly on international organized terrorism. However, I would argue that such a monopoly is anti-capitalist. Why don’t we just allow all terrorist groups to compete at killing civilians on an equal footing? While we’re at it, let’s allow competing currencies and stop banning the competition between police, legislative, and judicial systems.

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By Reader, March 13, 2010 at 11:02 am Link to this comment
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I don’t think Bedell was right wing.  He was a 9/11 truther, and you’d generally describe them as far left.

http://patterico.com/2010/03/04/pentagon-shooter-anti-bush-nut-case-and-911-truther/

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