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The Confederacy Isn’t Something to Be Proud Of

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Posted on Apr 12, 2010
"Scars of a Whipped Slave" / National Archives

By Eugene Robinson

It was bad enough when Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell proclaimed Confederate History Month without mentioning slavery, but at least he came to his senses and apologized. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour’s contention that the whole controversy “doesn’t amount to diddly” is much worse.

“I don’t know what you would say about slavery,” Barbour told CNN, “but anybody that thinks that you have to explain to people that slavery is a bad thing, I think that goes without saying.”

And that’s the problem—Barbour thinks it “goes without saying.” The governor of the state whose population includes the highest percentage of African-Americans in the nation believes it is appropriate to “honor” those who fought for the Confederacy. Clearly, he has no problem with revisiting the distant past. Yet he sees no reason to mention the vile, unthinkable practices—state-sanctioned kidnapping, torture and rape—that those Confederate soldiers were fighting to protect.

It amounts to much more than “diddly” that so many Americans try hard to avoid coming to terms with the reality of slavery. It wasn’t just “a bad thing.” Littering is a bad thing. Slavery was this nation’s Original Sin, and yet many people will not look at it except through a gauze of Spanish moss.

The Atlantic slave trade was one of the last millennium’s greatest horrors. An estimated 17 million Africans, most of them teenagers, were snatched from their families, stuffed into the holds of ships and brought to the New World. As many as 7 million of them died en route, either on the high seas or at “seasoning” camps in the Caribbean where they were “broken” to the will of their masters.

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If he has never done so, Barbour should hold in his hands some of the leg irons, manacles and other restraints that were used to subdue the Africans. He should visit some of the plantations where slave cabins still stand—there are plenty in his state—to get a sense of how the Africans lived. He should spend a long, hot day picking cotton. He should read the accounts of plantation life written by former slaves, and then he should explain why there is any reason to “honor” soldiers who fought to perpetuate a system that could never have functioned without constant, deliberate, unflinching cruelty.

The point, of course, is not that Haley Barbour, Bob McDonnell or any other white Southerners living today are responsible for crimes committed long before they were born. They shouldn’t have to feel guilty for things they didn’t do. But they—and the rest of us, too—should know the extent to which the history of this country was shaped by what was euphemistically called the “peculiar institution.” Americans should know, for example, that Wall Street’s rise as a financial center was largely fueled by the cotton trade, which could not have functioned without slavery—and that when the Civil War began, the mayor of New York, Fernando Wood, tried to find a way for the city to remain neutral so that it could continue its lucrative business dealings with the South.

What “doesn’t amount to diddly” is the revisionist notion—which Confederate History Month celebrations perpetuate—that the Civil War was about something other than slavery. The “lost cause” die-hards insist that the treasonous rebellion was a fight over freedom or the Constitution or states’ rights. But the “right” that was being fought over was the ability to own human beings, compel their labor, buy and sell them as if they were livestock, exploit them sexually and torture or kill them if they tried to escape.

McDonnell’s apology, at least, recognized that slavery was nothing to be proud of. It should be noted, however, that Virginia’s previous two governors—both Democrats—did not feel the need to proclaim Confederate History Month. McDonnell’s original proclamation, before he amended it, seemed designed to appeal to a fringe group for whom the Civil War is still an open question.

This is a free country—for black people, too, thanks to the defeat of the Confederacy—and so if some white Southerners want to celebrate the “heritage” of slavery, they are welcome to do so. But while they’re entitled to their own set of opinions, they’re not entitled to their own set of facts. I’d say that Haley Barbour’s studied ignorance was “a bad thing,” but that would be a gross understatement.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
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By Go Right Young Man, April 17, 2010 at 2:07 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

LOL…I saw this morning that I had misspelled “honor”.

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It matters none if I carry you directly with an URL or I direct you exactly on how to find information”.  And you well know it. - This is not grammar school, Sir.  You don’t need someone holding your hand to use the Internet.

Buck up and tell us all what you found when you searched the terms “Kerry+Maher” or “John Kerry+Bill Maher”.  It made no difference which search term you used, correct?  You found the same video and/or transcript of Sen. Kerry talking about killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Av. not so long ago. <—Wait.  Isn’t that where the President of the United States works and resides?  Damn!  That must make Sen. Kerry a racist against white people.

Your feigned outrage or sense of hurt over Sarah Palin’s “targets”, or the mean words from a few Tea party protesters, went RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW when you found U.S. Sen. John Kerry talking about killing someone at the White House.

Or when Liberal icon Michael Moore talked about bin Laden making “a mistake by targeting a blue State”.

Or when you read first hand how several protesters have been beaten for simply protesting.

Or how a Republican Fund Raiser and her companion was very severely beaten by a mob last week.

Or, as hard as you may have tried, how you found nothing, whatsoever, linking a group of Moon-Bats conspiring to kill policemen to the Tea Party protest.

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You truly are an interesting bird.  And you are still without your “honer” smile


Post Script.  By the way.  Were you able to confirm the “Nigger” and/or “Fag” comments you were once so sure of?  If so, would you be kind enough to direct us all on seeing it ourselves?  Perhaps an URL?...(smile)

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By Inherit The Wind, April 17, 2010 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 17 at 12:49 am #

ITW,

Correct.  I will supply no more links.

I asked the simplest of questions.  What did you find when you conducted your search of Kerry+Maher?

Write what you will. You have no honer, Sir.
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There you go again!  (thanks to Ronald Reagan)

Caught with your pants down and try to fake it by pompously asserting “You have no honer (sic)”.

Can’t defend your position. Won’t defend your position, so you attack “ad hominem” because you don’t have a leg to stand on.

I am on rock-solid ground, you are in quick-sand.  Re-read Night-Gaunt’s post.

You are right. I don’t have any “honer” (whatever the hell that is—a machine for honing? I do it by hand on a diamond stick)

But you, Sir, are the one who has no honor.  You assert but won’t prove. 

And NOBODY at Truthdig, not even the “progressives” who detest me, will buy your argument that you don’t have to support your assertions.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 16, 2010 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

Correct.  I will supply no more links.

I asked the simplest of questions.  What did you find when you conducted your search of Kerry+Maher?

Write what you will. You have no honer, Sir.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm Link to this comment

The guest that Democracy Now had on their program
  after Obama announced that Holder was to be his
  AG,  noted that Holder was on of the authors of the’
  Patriot Acts who said he wasn’t satisfied that they
  went far enough.

  That commentator seemed to know what he was talking
  about.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 4:30 pm Link to this comment

There are very good examples of left bigotry
  happening on the other thread.
  LLoyd…I Am An American… 
  whether you agree with them or not , it is bigotry.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment

Lets see
those that extorted millions from the U.S. Treasury
get a few months and a pultry fine..
The one that turned them in gets forty months and losses
his job.
Good Job Eric Holder and Barrack.
All the while, today a young black man in D.C., probably
got five years for possession of ganja.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

WOW , this thread getting nutier by the hour.
The Administration’s Justice Dept.
is prosecuting two whistleblowers,
I am still in amazement at the ones that defend the
Democrats.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Here is one for GRYM, I was flipping through the TV channels with my special ability, though annoying of not to missing any commercials.  All of a sudden I stopped to blink, then there was this guy holding up a tea bag and the announcer said something about going Right, though I did not hear “young Man” but I took upon my self to assume he meant to say it anyway.  Then the announcer associated this guy; who just happened to have extremely large ears; being both a sexist and a bigot! 

GRYM, I believe I saw you on TV?

GRYM, maybe you can find it for us, to show how (I cringe on this word).... “right” ...... I am?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 16, 2010 at 12:40 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 16 at 3:39 pm #

ITW, - “What I found is that you refused to post a link, repeatedly.”

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That is correct.  I have refused to do the work for you.  If you are that incurious about a U.S. Senator referring to killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. there is nothing I can do to change that.

Perhaps someone here on TruthDig would be kind enough to locate the video of John Kerry on the Bill Maher program for you?

“Bill Maher+John Kerry” -  Anyone curious enough will locate the video I am referring to will find it on the first results page of any search matrix of their choosing.
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No. I refuse to do YOUR work for you.  Another poster explained so I don’t have to.

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Fascinating how you were able to, in less than a day, search for and locate information that proved me incorrect, however, after more than a week you appear lost on how to do the same on this subject.
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Not at all. I defend what I assert.  I find information to show what you present as facts that are incorrect or that your logic is flawed.  I am not obligated or interested in finding the facts that prove your assertion.

Again, if YOU assert the world is flat, I’m not obligated to prove you wrong, you are obligated to prove yourself right.

Supposing I said “Sarah Palin is really a whore. The Onion showed how she sold her body.”  You’d DEMAND that I produce the evidence of that.

And you would be perfectly justified in demanding a) that I prove the Onion showed it, AND
b) that the Onion was correct, or, at least reasonably valid in stating it.

But I can’t simply say “YOU go prove it! I’m not doing your work for you.”

But according to you, I CAN say you must prove Sarah Palin isn’t a whore, because….“I’m not doing your work for you!”

Either you don’t get that, or you DO get that and know it’s BS and don’t want to get caught in that.

So, I really don’t think you that stupid—I think you are simply using a propaganda tactic—one that won’t work here at TruthDig.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 16, 2010 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

GRYM if you are going to assert something then you must back it up like posting a link otherwise it is just opinion and can be ignored. So you must “do the work” if you want any credibility. Here and anywhere. Assertions are nothing without the data to back it up. Try it sometime.

It would help too if you would respond to questions in regard to your statements instead of ignoring them which also hurts your credibility. That is if you want any.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 16, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

ITW, - “What I found is that you refused to post a link, repeatedly.”

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That is correct.  I have refused to do the work for you.  If you are that incurious about a U.S. Senator referring to killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. there is nothing I can do to change that.

Perhaps someone here on TruthDig would be kind enough to locate the video of John Kerry on the Bill Maher program for you?

“Bill Maher+John Kerry” -  Anyone curious enough will locate the video I am referring to will find it on the first results page of any search matrix of their choosing.

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Fascinating how you were able to, in less than a day, search for and locate information that proved me incorrect, however, after more than a week you appear lost on how to do the same on this subject.

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By jay1953, April 16, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

I remember reading a statistic of the Vietnam War were it stated that African-Americans comprised 13% of the forces that served in Vietnam while comprising 11% of the population. A 2% difference. It may be seen as disproportionate to some but that depends who is doing the considering and the whys and motives and the agenda of the individual making the disproportionate allegations.

The fact of the matter is that members of the poor classes, regardless of race, were the ones doing a disproportionate amount of the dying and bleeding in Vietnam.

My conclusion is that the poorer classes are in this together regardless of race. The poor working classes must overcome the divisions that were cast upon them by the elitist classes who are the only ones that benefit from those divisions. The old cliche is applicable: “United we stand divided we fall”.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 10:29 am Link to this comment

Actually Offersince73, I was referring to GRYM!

Appreciate the response and even the small bit of focus.

From what I understand, most of the black people during the Vietnam war, migrated to Canada, because they sure as hell did not seem to be in Vietnam!

It is possible the percentage of black people in the service and Vietnam were higher than the percentage in the general populations, but I would never have made the assumptions from what I saw in my time of service and when in Vietnam.

It should be known, my proclivity of association has always preferred to judge others by personality and temperament other than race.

Actually, I remember vividly in my unit, their being a passel more people from Texas than from anywhere else.  Probably I only noticed this because Texans had this unique tendency to make sure every one knew about it?

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By Night-Gaunt, April 16, 2010 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

All of them muddle your mind even if you know that’s what they trying to do.  They want to tell you what the issues are.  MSNBC is just a guilty as FOX at this. -ofersince72

Where do you get this? Have any examples or are you just muddling the issue with false comparisons? I choose the latter in this case. I would say categorically that Fox isn’t news and MSNBC actually informs and elucidates. You would know that if you actually watched it for more than 3 seconds if that. So an Ass you shall remain. Does it help that by your slovenly actions you aid the enemies you say you are against? They too would muddle when necessary.

In our closed system if you vote out side of the two legal parties it will be wasted. But if you choose from the only parties allowed you get two choices of poison, one with sugar and the one without. Voting doesn’t make it free if the choices are made for you ahead of time. The system needs to be opened up—-to break the duopoly is the only way. That and proportional representation would also help us. Not this winner take all.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

The reason you got a snide remard,  the question deserved
just that,  I took the question that you were implying
that institutional racism doesn’t occur.
  Over the last month there have been many threads on
TD that have been implying that the Republican party is
made of a majority of racists, they too have not suppplied
any relevent statistics.  There are many in the so called
tea bag activism that are very frustrated that the likes
of Beck and Limbaugh etal. are identifying with their
protests of domestic policy.
  The Democrat Party for the most part ,has picked up
where Bush left off.  If you care to believe these “wars”
are anything other than resource wars that is you business
I don’t and never have believed that. If you are tickled
to death with the Dems domestic policy,  I am happy for
you.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Then you disagree,  the 2S deferrment did not give
middle class an unfair advantage?

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

All of the above,,,, especially make an ass of myself,
but i will go to the grave doing that.

But I sure won’t vote for a Democrat again !!!
I made an ass of myself doing that one to many times.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

At one time when I worked in the beltway, I had the job of designing very hard questions for civil service exams.

So Let’s see;

When someone posts opinion and expects it to be accepted as fact or gospel, and another person happens to poses a question, it is appropriate to:

A. Make snide remarks and make silly statements using the questioner’s name?

B. Insult until it hurts?

C. Never answer a question, but always make sure the persons asking a questions realizes, making an complete ass of oneself is an important part of posting?

D. All of the above?

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

I don’t do network news, that now also includes
Colbert and Stewart.
All of them muddle your mind even if you know thats what
they trying to do.  They want to tell you what the issues
are.  MSNBC is just a guilty as FOX at this.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

I have never pulled a repub lever in my life, not even
local…. I now plan never to pull on for a dem either.
Even though I haven’t voted for either in a presidential
election since 72, always kept my dem registration for
state and fed elections and always dissappointed.

I do however agree with Go_Right _Young_Man, the
repulicans have not had a monopoly on racism and all
republicans are not racist.  I may deplore republican
policy (except there is much about Paul that i do admire)
but they are not a bigots just as all Dems don’t a clean
civil rights record.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

One could say the Democrats are like a Federal Chamber of Commerce and the Republicans are more like the KKK with Tea Bags?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 16, 2010 at 9:05 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 16 at 11:47 am #

ITW,

I thought more of you before your last post.
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Why is that supposed to be meaningful to me?

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What exactly did you find after I three (3) times suggested that you query “John Kerry+Bill Maher” on any search matrix of your choosing?  Did you locate the video of Sen. Kerry on the Bill Maher program talking about killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?
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What I found is that you refused to post a link, repeatedly. You seem to be the ONLY person who knows this fact but expect me to prove it for you.

Anarcissie: You are in part correct.  The father of the “Southern Strategy” first tested his thesis in 1966 elections in New York. The S/S was simply the most blatant and spectacular example of it.

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 9:04 am Link to this comment

I don’t why I or anyone should be the least bit
concerned about the goverance coming from inside the
beltway, excuse Leefeller.

Wall Steet is doing just fine now.

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By Anarcissie, April 16, 2010 at 8:47 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, April 15 at 3:08 pm:
GRYM:

You make a good point.  The GOP WAS a big supporter of Civil Rights and Dirksen was LBJ’s Republican counterpart to getting it through Congress.

But you ignore the KEY point, and ignore it repeatedly:

All this changed in 1968.

Nixon’s 1968 “Southern Strategy” which was designed SPECIFICALLY to appeal to Southern White racists who felt abandoned by their traditional party, the Democrats.

You keep IGNORING the evidence and then claiming it doesn’t exist.  Why is that?  WHY would Nixon go after Southern White racists if he disagreed with them? Was he really just that cynical and power hungry? ...’

Probably.  But please note, we’re not talking about just racists here, but a broad spectrum of religious and social conservatives.  Racism happens to be part of the tradition which these people generally wanted to conserve.  The Southern Strategy was mainly focused on Southerners, but its creators also hoped to pull in White and Hispanic Roman Catholic social conservatives from the big Eastern cities, another previously Democratic voting bloc, who had their own racial issues.

This was a big change, because hitherto the Republican Party had been a moderately liberal business-interest party, generally oriented (like the Democrats of today) to the interests of the wealthy and the upper-middle class.  These people had no interest in down’n'dirty racism, homophobia, flag-waving and so forth, which they were content to leave on the Democratic plantation.  But if the Democrats were going to insist on handing them all those voters….

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By ofersince72, April 16, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

leefeller

  I must have made a mistake,  institutional racism
  doesn’t now or never has occurred in the United States
  under the watchful eyes of our Democrat and Republican
  lawmakers.
  Silly of me.

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By Leefeller, April 16, 2010 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

ofersince72

Disproportionate number of blacks in Vietnam? I saw quite a lot of Vietnamese when I was in Nam, one could say a disproportionate number at that!

Our outfit had a few blacks, but disproportionate number of blacks? Depends on what one calls disproportionate?

Ofersince72, like to see some numbers please!

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By Go Right Young Man, April 16, 2010 at 7:47 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I thought more of you before your last post.

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What exactly did you find after I three (3) times suggested that you query “John Kerry+Bill Maher” on any search matrix of your choosing?  Did you locate the video of Sen. Kerry on the Bill Maher program talking about killing someone at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 16, 2010 at 6:52 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 16 at 10:21 am #

ITW,

You insist the Tea Party protesters have been violent.  I asked you numerous times for evidence of this.  After more than a week you have been unable to provide such evidence.  Nonetheless you remain steadfast.  Tea Party protesters are violent.
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Why repeat? Sarah Palin puts gun sights on Dems—but that’s “not violent”.  I can give a dozen examples of incipient incitement to violence—but you insist this isn’t evidence of “violence”.

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I, in turn, highlight several incidents of Left leaning individuals being violent toward the protesters, however, you remain steadfast. It’s the protesters who are violent.
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You have made absurd claims like Sen. Kerry wanting the former President assassinated—but you absolutely REFUSED to provide proof—repeatedly refused.

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There have been no significant arrests stemming from more than a year of protests, however, you remain steadfast.  Tea Party protesters have been violent.
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So…that religious group that was planning to murder policemen wasn’t a “significant” arrest?

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You claim “Republicans” are uniquely racists.  I share with you reams if tangible evidence that the democratic party has it’s own 100 plus year history of racist and/or ant-civil rights positions but, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are racists.
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This is a flat-out lie.  READ my last post. It clearly contradicts your false assertions above.
You should be ashamed of yourself to deliberately mis-represent this that way.

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I point out that grouping people together and labeling them as any more or less of anything is, in and of itself, a form of bigotry. Nonetheless, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are racist.
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People who choose to follow a political following that is advocating racist policies can be either labeled ignorant or racist…but it is NOT bigotry to label them as such—it is merely a statement of fact.

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I repeatedly point out that humans are human everywhere, however, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are different.  They are racists.
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Where have I said that Republicans aren’t human. I said they have made a CHOICE, and that choice is racism.

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I address every question you ask of me while you simply will not.  Yet you remain steadfast.  I obfuscate.
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Fantasy. You ignore facts you find inconvenient and pretend I never posted them. You invent things you claim I charge you with (see above).

Yes. You obfuscate.

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You’re an interesting individual.
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I’ll try to see that as a compliment but I don’t think it’s meant as one.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 16, 2010 at 6:21 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You insist the Tea Party protesters have been violent.  I asked you numerous times for evidence of this.  After more than a week you have been unable to provide such evidence.  Nonetheless you remain steadfast.  Tea Party protesters are violent.

I, in turn, highlight several incidents of Left leaning individuals being violent toward the protesters, however, you remain steadfast. It’s the protesters who are violent.

There have been no significant arrests stemming from more than a year of protests, however, you remain steadfast.  Tea Party protesters have been violent.

You claim “Republicans” are uniquely racists.  I share with you reams if tangible evidence that the democratic party has it’s own 100 plus year history of racist and/or ant-civil rights positions but, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are racists.

I point out that grouping people together and labeling them as any more or less of anything is, in and of itself, a form of bigotry. Nonetheless, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are racist.

I repeatedly point out that humans are human everywhere, however, you remain steadfast.  Republicans are different.  They are racists.

I address every question you ask of me while you simply will not.  Yet you remain steadfast.  I obfuscate.

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You’re an interesting individual.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 8:40 pm Link to this comment

Since this is a discussion about race….

lets not forget the draft implementation of the Sixties
for the real bloody Viet Nam “war”.

  The government offered a 2S deferrment,  that is, if
you choose college after high school , you got exempted
from having to go to Nam,  all others, don’t bother
packing your bags , we got one for you.  There were many
colleges that offered cover for those that wanted to
dodge the draft,  colleges made money, and many young men
avoided the draft.
Of course not many blacks could could take advantage of
this exemption so there was a b i g disparity in proportion of race that got sent to Viet Nam.  I believe
they they call that institutional racism which we still
have plenty of today.!!!!!

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment

It took years and years of pressure from organizations
like the ACLU, the NAACP, “some” members of the CBC,
(I am sure there were many social justice orgs.)

To address the cocaine sentencing disparity which was
at   1 0 0   t o   1,,,,,,,  finally it has been addressed,,,,,,,,,,,,,down to 3 0   t o   1 !!!!!!!

  So you see,  civil rights has come a long way, hasn’t
it ????

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By Inherit The Wind, April 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:
I know you now to well to think you are just confused.  You are deliberately obfuscating.

1) Dems, since FDR, divided into Southern Racists, and Northern Liberals, who were supporters of Civil Rights.

(Just as an aside, that GRYM tosses out as a red-herring, FDR DID sign the Japanese internment orders, but he was egged on by Republicans, especially the Republican Governor of California, one Earl Warren—THAT Earl Warren—a Republican).

2) With JFK, the split in the party is getting more and more acrimonious—hence, JFK’s trip to Texas in the fall of 1963.  There, we all know what happened to him and the Governor of Texas, Democrat John Connally.  Connally survived and changed parties and was in Nixon’s Cabinet.

3) Lyndon Baines Johnson, a lifelong Democrat, Southerner, but WORSHIPER of FDR, as President pushes for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  His fellow Southern Democrats (including Byrd and J. William Fulbright) BITTERLY oppose him.  LBJ, though has plotted and planned this and enlisted REPUBLICAN Everett Dirksen as his “whip” to bring GOPers to his POV.  The bills pass.

4) June 12, 1967, the USSC unanimously overturns the conviction of the Lovings in Loving vs Virginia, throwing out all miscegenation laws.

5) The SAME President, Lyndon Baines Johnson, appoints the FIRST Black Justice of the Supreme Court, Thurgood Marshall on June 13 of 1967, the VERY NEXT DAY!

6) Kevin Phillips, from The Bronx, joins Nixon’s campaign in 1968 with the Southern Strategy as his “dowry”.
In Phillips’ own words:
Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That’s where the votes are. Without that prodding from the blacks, the whites will backslide into their old comfortable arrangement with the local Democrats. –Kevin Phillips, Special Assistant to Attorney General John Mitchell and inventor of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”, in the NY Times, May 17, 1970.

I rest my case. GRYM can spin and bluster and obfuscate and ignore facts all he wants, but there’s the hard evidence of the GOP’s shift to racism, deliberately, in 1968.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 7:01 pm Link to this comment

I sure don’t recall Lyndon Johnson , after he signed
civil rights legislation saying….

  “You know what?  This was such a good idea that I
    am going to put the pressure on South Africa
    to stop their Slavery!!”

  Nope, Lyndon wasn’t that concerned about the blacks
  in South Africa.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

No party should be thumping their chest for their
achievments in Civil Rights.

It tood over two centuries just to get to 1963 legislation
then, no miracles took place.
Now, as Michelle Alexander points out, they have found
another way to legally install Jim Crow.
To say that unemployment among black men is double that
of whites .....it probably still a gross understatement.

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By jay1953, April 15, 2010 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

Righty is using the strawman argument. He seems to ignore that it was a southern Democrat from Texas that signed the Civil Rights Act. A treasonous and blasphemous action by fellow southerner and Democrat. The Nixons Southern Strategy played to southern resentments. The epiphany for southerners was LBJs signature on the Bill. Righty here can just keep spinning the facts all he wants, I think he’ll have better luck in a teabagger forum constipating (pushing) his argument aimed at the informationally challenged teabaggers.

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By jay1953, April 15, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Again, the sophist argument from our righty friend.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Artie, - “I did, however, find it to be very compelling that you only mentioned Democrats in a negative light.  As a matter of fact, you purposely excluded any good that the Dems did over the period of your timeline”

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The focus of this discussions was much more narrowly defined than the many varied issues you bring to the fore.  And, yes, there is a tremendous amount I left out.  I was making a very specific point in regards to perceptions many here, on this specific site, commonly hold.

I too am not affiliated with either party.  You’ll have to trust that when it comes to bigotry I am equally unnerved by conservative perceptions.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

They left out the most important part of that
  bumper sticker…

  THE CENTER IS DANGEROUS..(for everyone)

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 4:29 pm Link to this comment

has anyone else seen this bumper sticker??

  THE RIGHT IS WRONG

  THE LEFT IS STUPID

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@GRYM - Very interesting timeline of all of the good that the Republican party has done over the years.  I did, however, find it to be very compelling that you only mentioned Democrats in a negative light.  As a matter of fact, you purposely excluded any good that the Dems did over the period of your timeline, but I guess JFK was just a worthless liberal!!  You also failed to mention any of the negative issues with the Repub’s like Watergate and the 8 years of illegal and anti-contitutional positions and aggressive war stances that the Bush administration carried out during their regime.  Let’s not forget the Bush Doctrine of Pre-emptive War, and let’s not forget that Bush referred to the U.S. Constitution as a worthless piece of paper.  Let’s not forget about the coverup of 9/11!!

For my entire life, I have been a registered Democrat and I did vote for Obama.  I thought, in my heart of hearts, that Obama could do some great things.  In reality, he is just as bad, if not worse than Bush.  I am no longer affiliated with either party.  This left/right paradigm consists of the two wings, dems and repubs, of the same disgusting bird.  Politics are corrupt through and through.  Both parties do the will of their own without taking into consideration what We the People want.  Best example is the Healthcare Bill.  A vast majority of the populace did not want this Healthcare Bill, yet it was voted on and signed into law.  The illegal wars of aggression, starting under the Bush regime, are still carried forward under the Obama regime.  You people need to wake up and understand that the political parties are not running this country.  It is all an illusion!  The puppetmaster’s, the NWO, are who are running the government.  They own the government, through the FED, they own all mass media outlets, they own the corporations, they own the President of the United States.  This is why we are seeing absolutely no difference between Bush and Obama.  They are both playing off of the same NWO playbook.  Once people wake up and understand this, maybe we will have a chance of ending their power.  Until that day comes, if it ever does come, it will be business as usual in DC.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

ITW. - “Nixon’s 1968 “Southern Strategy” which was designed SPECIFICALLY to appeal to Southern White racists who felt abandoned by their traditional party, the Democrats.”

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Correct me if I’m wrong.  Southern democrats, being the racists that they were, changed party affiliation in 1968 away from what was, for over 100 years, the party opposed to civil rights.  And they did this because Nixon employed his now famous “Southern Strategy”.  This “Southern Strategy”, very miraculously, changed all politics in America in 1968.

What was it that made the democratic party magically see the light and take on the long held positions of the republican party?  And, conversely, what was it that made ALL republicans suddenly turn away from their 100 plus year history of strong civil rights positions and take on the polar opposite positions of the democratic party?

I honestly do not recall such a massive polar change in American politics.  I recall a very slow and gradual, sometimes painful, re-alignment of the democratic positions AFTER republican civil rights legislation was finagled through the Congress.

Let us not forget that, by your own admission, most democrats remained ppposed to “Republican Civil Rights Legislation” in 1968.  How and why did the democratic party, very suddenly, abandon it’s 100 plus year history and Southern democrats?  Was there an epiphany en mass all across lower North America the day Nixon employed his “Southern Strategy”?

Honestly.  Do I truly have to point out that Sen. Bird did not suddenly change party affiliation or his persona.  He gradually came to the conclusion that he was wrong and, years later, apologized for being so wrong.  I don’t recall him saying “Republican Civil Rights Legislation” had was always his Good intention.

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Don’t forget to address my questions of well over a week ago.

Post Script:  How refreshingly honest it would have been for so many here to have simply written; “Yes. The democratic party has held some significantly ugly positions in the past, not unlike the republicans, and we’re working on that.  I guess bigotry is a human trait.  Not a “democrat” trait.”

Don’t mind me folks.  I’m “delusional” smile

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HUD building housing projects throughout urban America in the 1960’s that crippled the ethnic poor and wasted billions of precious tax dollars isn’t something to be proud of either while we are talking about things not to be proud of.

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By jay1953, April 15, 2010 at 12:58 pm Link to this comment

“Psychological testing has shown that when people are deep into their point of view they will fight even harder to maintain it despite evidence to the contrary. That is characteristic of a closed mind not an open one. Yours is closed tight.”

I agree with this statement. Shamefully I have to admit that I’ve been guilty of it in the past when I was a righty. Thankfully I turned my back on the right-wing agenda back in the 90s. In hindsight I now realize that I had a hard time admitting I was wrong, mostly motivated by pride and ego. My mindset was mostly motivated by ignorance that years of indoctrination and brainwashing had produced. The catalyst for me was me was the Palestinian/Israeli issue. As a staunch Israeli supporter I ignored the other side. I erroneously concluded that Palestinians were bad and Israel was good. Simple as that, period. As I found out more and more the US role in its criminal support for Israel it just snowballed from there into a broad number of other issues since my curiosity had been awakened. I started reading alternative sources of information and the more I learned the more indignant I became with my own country. All it took was learning the facts and swallowing my pride and ego. Can our right-wing friend do that? Well he has a road to travel, maybe he’ll never get there. A conscience will help his speedy travels.

Sophistry is a fallacious base upon to which form an argument. And even though our friend does what appears to be a rational well thought out argument it is after all an undeniably sophist argument.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

To be frank; you are unable to make a cogent argument of any kind.  And the personal attacks are childish.

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There was a complete polar change, and everything, very miraculously, turned AFTER some of the most important constitutional amendments and race relation legislation took place in the United States?  Based on what?  Your incoherent theories?  Or, much more likely, is that you are so tremendously uncomfortable with being aligned with a racist past?

I tend to lean toward the latter explanation.  The former is, well, let us say; not well thought out.  Or, to put it another way, a MASSIVE rationalization born from your own bewilderment of how your preferred party could have gotten everything so wrong for so long.

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Geesh.  Talk about “Cherry Picking” and “twisting” the historical record. 

Let us try this on again….AFTER the 1960’s everyone from the republican party changed their collective minds and, after one hundreds (100) years, suddenly became bigots and racists? 

LOL… That dog doesn’t only not hunt, that dog is dead on arrival.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 12:32 pm Link to this comment

I must admit ,  the Democrat Party is real good at
  giving lip service as witnessed by the present
  occupier of the White House…

  “There will be no lobbiests or special interest
  around me or in my White House”  says he..

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 12:21 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

You continue to twist and gyrate around my repeated questions.  You keep repeating your opinions based on your perceptions.  What I shared here today is both tangible and verifiable.

At this point I’m not interested in your theories on the “Southern Strategy” of 30 years ago.  I’m not interested in your opinions.  You have made yourself clear already.

Do you have anything tangible, anything at all, that we can all see and evaluate, which supports your repeated opinions that republicans are more bigoted, more racist, and more violent than ANY other group of human beings?

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

All the black vote is for the Democrat Party is power
game for votes to see who gets the corporate money, once
in office, they are forgotten as their schools and
inner city communities showcase.

  The Acorn scam came under Democrat Party watch,
they lazily laid back and let that ogranization come
undone.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 11:55 am Link to this comment

Democracy Now broke the news about those young men
down in Geena Louisiana at least six months before it
got any national media attention.  I, as I am sure many
others did upon hearing this news, tried to get those
young men some help so….
At the time I was feeding the Kucinach campaign money ,so
I tried them, told them it would also get Kucinach so
much needed media coverage and some minority vote, I was
ignored… I did the same with the Obama campaign and
was ignored..so
tried the Congressional Black Caucas….they waited until
it was a big story in the media… same with Sharpton’s
network….
They all could have saved those young men a whole lot
of trouble had they come to their aid when DN first broke
the story.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

Agan GRYM your ability to steer around the facts to support your conclusions, and attack us, is awe inspiring. It has been state by myself and others that the general tenor of the two parties changed in the 1960’s. No one said anyone changed parties, but that did happen and continues to. Byrd wasn’t one of them. Pulling the straw man out doesn’t help your cause it just paints you as thinking we are simpletons. Just address what we said directly and please cut-and-paste the relevant parts as need to identify from which you find a problem and refute it. Something from which you haven’t done yet. Because you can’t so you take another tack of attack. It is all you have.

Psychological testing has shown that when people are deep into their point of view they will fight even harder to maintain it despite evidence to the contrary. That is characteristic of a closed mind not an open one. Yours is closed tight.

Make no mistake I agree that people are that but they can group into like minded clusters. However it is also true that they can be taken over by others who have a more sinister or benevolent agenda.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

Sen. Robert Bird is now a republican?  Or is it that he was once a republican and, seeing the error of is ways, he changed to the democratic party?  Or was Sen, Bird a “good” republican until it turned evil, after 1964 and the “Republican Civil Rights Act”, and is now a “good” democrat?  The logic there alludes me but, I may very well be slower than some.

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How interesting to witness so many wiggle and squirm with what makes them uncomfortable.  Suddenly, and quite magically, all that was bad (republicans) is now good (democrats).  All that was once good (republican positions on race and legislation) is, just as suddenly and miraculously, credited to democrats.  Truly an interesting pathology at play.

History is clear on the issues of race relations and legislation.  Unfortunately the democratic party has often been on the wrong side.

This is not to suggest that democrats are more racist or bigoted today. Conversely it’s complete fantasy to suggest that republicans are more or less of anything.  Humans are, very simply, human.  To suggest otherwise is, pure and simple, flagrant bigotry.

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To even suggest that after landmark legislation, all the way through to the 1960s, was a product of today’s democratic party is, very frankly, idiotic in it’s inception.  I would suggest only ignorance of history, coupled with complete surprise of learning the facts, could induce one to make such a fantastic leap.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

I guess we could ask the Palistinians, or the, Iraqis
or Afghans, or Colombians or Nicauragans, or most African
countries, Vietnamese and a bunch others about the

Benevolence of the Democrat Party

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

Both parties have been equally shameful and if the
cities had not started burning, nothing would have been
done.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 15, 2010 at 11:08 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

You make a good point.  The GOP WAS a big supporter of Civil Rights and Dirksen was LBJ’s Republican counterpart to getting it through Congress.

But you ignore the KEY point, and ignore it repeatedly:

All this changed in 1968.

Nixon’s 1968 “Southern Strategy” which was designed SPECIFICALLY to appeal to Southern White racists who felt abandoned by their traditional party, the Democrats.

You keep IGNORING the evidence and then claiming it doesn’t exist.  Why is that?  WHY would Nixon go after Southern White racists if he disagreed with them? Was he really just that cynical and power hungry? WHY did Ronald Reagan kick off his campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi, site of the most notorious murder of Civil Rights workers if NOT to appeal to the racists? 

Sure there have been obvious positive things from the GOP, but mainly these, I believe, are red herrings, providing coverage as the party moves more and more to the right.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2010 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

It is well understood that the reason for the Civil War I wasn’t black slavery but it was very important all the same and caused its end everywhere. So on that point the Southern admirers who use the same arguments are still wrong. By-the-way the use of the term “states rights” is a code word for the CSA cause. But then they did win in the end considering how many southerners became president but it isn’t the same. And some of them, Neo-Confederates and American Nazis (hybrids of) want a Nordic Christian whites only, business lassiaze faire “republic” here. With islands of racial segregation not unlike what S. Africa during apartheid which were called “bantustands.” They would be called “homelands” right here. They even have maps drawn and names given to this places.

To them their history is more in keeping with the fantasy of “Gone With The Wind” than actual happenings. Some have the gall to say that the blacks “liked it” and would want it again. However he wasn’t so keen to become one himself and he shut up about it. I doubt he was a Democrat.

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By jimmy1one, April 15, 2010 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

jay1953 Be careful you’re in danger of actually expressing an opinion supported by the facts. Is it conceivable some namely my good and honorable friend GRYM have a distorted view of history fueled by their own set of facts.

Here’s an example of distorted facts
Tropical Girl wrote:
Begin Quote
Lincoln:
“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could
save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing
some and leaving others alone I would also do that.” Abraham Lincoln.  End Quote

This had no reference to the willingness or the need to free the slaves and everything to do with preserving the Union it was a purely subjunctive position. Mr Lincoln loved this country and was never a champion of Emancipation because it was the “politically correct thing or the right thing”. He came to believe it was a concept rooted in the Constitution only after sedition sad but true. What would have happened without sedition is anyone’s guess, was he a friend of the slave? One thing is clear and can not be denied
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The statement said that all slaves would be declared free in those states still in rebellion against the United States on 1st January, 1863. The measure only applied to those states which, after that date, came under the military control of the Union Army. It did not apply to those slave states such as Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and parts of Virginia and Louisiana, that were already occupied by Northern troops.End Quote

Again neither party has the high road it’s a fact however that the Dixiecrats moved to the Republican party starting in 1957. To that end there is no Liberal or Moderate wing of the Republican Party remaining and we are all the poorer.

On a personal note I don’t think anyone should apologize for slavery or be ashamed that it happened. It is part of our collective history, I’m proud of my ancestors they endured much so that some of us could strive.  It is the mean spirited hate filled rhetoric of today that’s at issue. The issues of hate and fear have not abated in 250 years. No the Civil war is not over the Confederacy has never been defeated we still can not have civil discourse.

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By Night-Gaunt, April 15, 2010 at 9:41 am Link to this comment

I don’t like honoring the Confederate dead but it was long ago. Can you imagine the uproar if the same thing was done in England by those who wanted and liked Oliver Cromwell when he deposed the monarchy? As for Guy Falks day it isn’t a commemeration of his attempt at mass slaughter and treason but of the fact that he failed! Which is why his straw man effigy is burned. So the fact that it is still celebrated even today should give people pause here in this country. This is in support of treachery & distinct an blatant anti-Constitutionalism.

To GRYM to honor the CSA honors black slavery then and now.

No more than a “Sons of Nazi Veterans” would be for Germany. It has been shown that the black slaves were treated very harshly unto torture and premature death. (Forensic anthropologist examinations of those bodies found the indicators.) The White Southerners treated their live stock better. Besides all the hard labor after work the black slaves still had to forage for their own food! What they were given wasn’t enough to live on.

After the fall of Reconstruction, the formally emancipated blacks lived under economic slavery into the 1960’s

It is also true that the Democrats of the 1860’s are now the Republicans since 1965. (Racism knows no boundaries though so you can find them in other parties too.) Favoring the former Dixiecrats and yes, white racism. Not always so blatant as when the Congressors were called “nigger” and “fag” just last week. Or have you missed that item GRYM? Maybe you have a filter on your TV that keeps such displays off your set? Or more probably within your own mind. Quite an effective myopia. You simply ignore what you don’t like and that disagrees with you. You don’t address you just avoid it. If any of us are bigoted (which means we would forcibly stop you from posting) then show us by C & P quotes. 

Thank you for the brief history lesson GRYM but we already covered that the Republican party of the 19th century is the Democratic party of the 20th & 21st. Though both parties & the Libertarians are infested with fascist style Capitalists. [Hint; that was why there was a mass exodus of black Americans from the Republicans to the Democrats.]

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 9:13 am Link to this comment

But according to Democrat and Republican philosophy,
you are not supposed to have solutions that don’t require
the MIC making tons of money sending young ones off to
steal resouces for them, or solutions that might rip into
the trillions of profits that oil and chemical companies
have made poisoning us and the soil.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

A massive works program that would employ millions
could be taking the poison out of our farm soils,
and reworking the soil until mico-organisms return.

  the oil and chemical companies should be able to fund
this program since they are the ones that have made
trillions and trillions over the years poisoning the soils

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By jay1953, April 15, 2010 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

What distorts the chronological historical account of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party as presented here in a previous post is that there were two catalysts that essentially reversed the traditional loyalties and regional domination of the 2 parties. So the chronology presented here is disingenuous and aimed at stupid that don’t know their history.

The Democrats, pre-1960’s, had been traditionally the party of the South. That association came with all its post Civil War racist heritage. The Republican Party had been traditionally the party of the North, after all the “great emancipator” had been a Republican. In the South Republicans were dignified of only Southern hate. For a southerner to be Republican for the next 100 years after the Civil War was nothing short of treason and deserving of a lynching or at the very least you’d get run out of town. Let’s recall the carpetbagger era post Civil War with the rise of the KKK and the Jim Crow laws. So it was best to keep Republican sympathies in the closet in the South. Republicans were the progressives of the 1800s.

Everything changed with LBJ and his signing of the Civil Rights Act and going against his southern Democrat base. In LBJ’s own words to one of his advisers, I forget who, he stated the Democrats had just lost the South for the next 100 years. He knew and of course so far it has been prophetic. This left the opening for Nixon and the Republicans to initiate their Southern Strategy to get the South for the Republicans and the strategy worked. The Republicans now gained the South and the momentum has been going in that direction ever since so much so that the South’s traditional ingrained racism has become part of the Republican mindset because to gain the South the Republican Party had to fundamentally change the mindset to accommodate the South thus the Southernization of the Republican Party. Of course this contagion racism also manifested itself in the North and West. Albeit, despite denials by Republicans it is an under the radar racism that regularly comes to the surface and it is spiraling out of control with the teabagger movement. With its token Uncle Tom’s here in there (GOP Chairman Michael Steele) the Republican attempt to hide the undercurrents of racism in their party. The obvious is just that, obvious. Pandering to minorities to hide racism is a tactic that Republicans have not perfected as of yet.

The other catalyst was Ronald Reagan who only galvanized the South the Republicans even more with his anti-Washington rhetoric. Remember his famous nine words during his campaign in his government is bad hypocrisy while growing the size of government and federal deficit after he became president. The initiation of corporate socialism through deregulation and eventual corporate bailouts and mega-mergers had its re-birth. But that is another subject. In essence the Southern anti-government of fear the government agenda has become institutionalized in the Republican Party rhetoric but not in its actions. This corporate social agenda in the past 30 years has become even more radicalized in its movement towards fascism by using the Southern anti-government fundamentalism which includes fundamental Southern Christian Evangelising to get votes in order to perpetuate a pro-corporate, pro-elitist and anti-worker political structure.

So in conclusion, the party’s regional loyalties have been reversed and the South has embraced the Republican Party but it has not embraced the original platform of the party’s founding in the 1800s but it has molded its ideological platform to what the Democratic Party previously represented in the South.

By having the former Confederacy embrace the Party of Lincoln what has happened is the Southernization of the Republican Party throughout America with all its racist and evangelical pathologies.

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By Leefeller, April 15, 2010 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

GRYM,

“While I am not the only one, I am one of the most polite and respectful people who post on this site.  Yet I am repeatedly harangued and maligned for having a different opinion.  Nothing more mind you.  Only that I view the world differently. It’s bigotry.  Plain and simple.”

Having a different opinion and viewing the world differently, does not make those in disagreement bigots GRYM!
  Playing with a stacked deck and holding nothing but bigot cards towards any disagreement, sounds like a huge advantage to winning in poker as in ones own mind.

GRYM, a little haranguing and maligning here or maybe it is just a different perspective? 

GRYM calling people bigots when one seems quite the bigot themselves, does seem a tad over the top. Plus being called on ones bigotry and crying about it seems even more over the top.

At, some point GRYM’s stacking the deck and all the whining over with this top stuff becomes what it seems GRYM. 

Setting oneself up us as….... quite the martyr.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 8:09 am Link to this comment

Ain’t no party that has a lock on racism in this
  country, there has been and still is enough going
  around to turn a stomach.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

And of course,  lets not forget the plight of
our friends people, Mr Tao Walker, who we all miss, that
both the Democrats and Repubs have trampled on for
five hundred years and counting !!!!!!!!!!!

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Go_Right_Young_Man

I would have to agree,  you keep your posts to the point
a very respectful,  I personally have always respected
that of you.  Otherwise , you are hard to nail down, which
I also admire you for.  On welfare,  I wish we didn’t
need it at all.  For Clinton to sign off on a trade agree-
ment that he knew was going to cost millions of good jobs,
then at the same time pass welfare reform was untimely.
To get citizens less dependent on welfare there is going
to have to be massive job creation,  it is just another
racist myth believing citizens would rather live on the
poverty of welfare rather than working a job with a livable wage.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 7:04 am Link to this comment

ofersince72,

While I am not the only one, I am one of the most polite and respectful people who post on this site.  Yet I am repeatedly harangued and maligned for having a different opinion.  Nothing more mind you.  Only that I view the world differently. It’s bigotry.  Plain and simple.

On the subject of bigotry, rampant on this site, I give no quarter and my politeness ebbs.

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Welfare has had the effect of causing millions of people at the lower rungs of income to live in poverty for generations.  It’s a trap.  And it’s the epitome of cruelty.

The “humanitarian” “progressive’s” Welfare laws willingly broke up families as a specific requisite to qualify for Welfare assistance.  This single action alone caused devastating poverty, substance abuse and inhumane dependency.  Effectively this system trapped human being in a cage and seperated them from the rest of society.  Exactly as humans put animals in cages. 

I am not against Welfare.  I am, however, passionately against the system as designed by, so-called, “caring” progressives.  It robs millions of their dignity and it’s cruel, disproportionally to minorities, to generations of people.

President Clinton did the right thing by signing republican legislation putting limits on how long an able-bodied individual can collect welfare without proving he or she is actively seeking employment. - With that legislation are provisions, fully funded by the federal government, for job training, adult education and day care.  It also rescinded the horribly cruel law that forced Fathers away from their wives and children.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 6:26 am Link to this comment

Many view Clinton’s welfare reform as racist
  and Jim Crow.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I am going to assume, rightly I believe, that you are an honest individual and sincerely believe in what you opine.  I will assume that, until this very day, you have been completely unaware that you regurgitate the democratic party line even though the historical record clearly illustrates that the party has fought against civil rights for Woman, Negros, Native Americans and Japanese Americans for several generations.

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Again I ask.  Do you have anything tangible, anything at all, which supports your ill conceived OPINIONS that republicans are historically racist and, that the Tea Party protesters have displayed any sort of racism and violence?

Do you have Anything, Anything at all, to offer?

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, April 14 at 11:45 pm

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My how you have such strong opinions.  Opinions built upon one supposition after another.  All predicated on your perceptions.  Perceptions which are not supported by the historical record.

Putting aside the fact that you have repeatedly claimed that today’s Tea Party protests have been violent and racist - but have have been unable to produce even a single example of said violence and racism - and putting aside the fact that you have been unable to produce even a single tangible example of institutional “republican racism”, you continue to regurgitate the party line.

Let us look at some examples of what I mean when I ask for “tangible” evidence of bigotry, racism, and real world actions.

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October 13, 1858
During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee

April 16, 1862
President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no.

July 17, 1862
Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”

January 31, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition

April 8, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition

November 22, 1865
Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination

May 10, 1866
U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no

June 8, 1866
U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no

January 8, 1867
Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.

July 19, 1867
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans

March 30, 1868
Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”

June 22, 1870
Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South

September 6, 1870
Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell

February 28, 1871
Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters

April 20, 1871
Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans

February 8, 1894
Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote

January 15, 1901
Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 5:35 am Link to this comment

Civil Rights

Skipping ahead…

January 26, 1922
House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster

June 2, 1924
Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans

October 3, 1924
Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention

June 12, 1929
First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country

August 17, 1937
Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation

June 24, 1940
Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it

September 30, 1953
Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education

November 25, 1955
Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel

March 12, 1956
Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation

June 5, 1956
Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law

November 6, 1956
African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President

September 9, 1957
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act

September 24, 1957
Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools

May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

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By Go Right Young Man, April 15, 2010 at 5:32 am Link to this comment

Civil Rights Part II

May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats

May 2, 1963
Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights

September 29, 1963
Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School

June 9, 1964
Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate

June 10, 1964
Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.

August 4, 1965
Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor

February 19, 1976
President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII

September 15, 1981
President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs

June 29, 1982
President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act

August 10, 1988
President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR

November 21, 1991
President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation

August 20, 1996
Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law

And let’s not forget the words of liberal icon Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood…

“We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population….”

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 5:25 am Link to this comment

The War on Terror is racist and Jim Crow
targeting Arabs and Muslims, keeping many of them
locked down for no reason, denying habeus, admist torture.
and profiling

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

Much of our immigration law is racist and Jim Crow
legislation, taking mothers and fathers away from their
children,  keeping others penned in cages for unlimted
amounts of time.,,, practiced by both Dems and Repubs

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

I view the Helms-Burton Act as a piece of racist
and Jim Crow legislation and it was signed into law
by a Democrat.

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By jimmy1one, April 15, 2010 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

ER wrote
“This is a free country—for black people, too, thanks to the defeat of the Confederacy—and so if some white Southerners want to celebrate the “heritage” of slavery, they are welcome to do so. But while they’re entitled to their own set of opinions, they’re not entitled to their own set of facts. I’d say that Haley Barbour’s studied ignorance was “a bad thing,” but that would be a gross understatement.”
Sorry but I have to disagree the Civil War was won by the North, Blacks were freed eventually but the Confederacy was never defeated. Witness the attempt to distort history and the celebration of sedition which when acted upon becomes treason. The idea of equality, all men are created equal is a rouge perpetrated on the innocent.  The idea of racial equality has never reached the hearts and minds of the masses. Our current situation is a direct result of Blacks like ER and myself becoming complacent and actually believing the hype. We have enjoyed the fruit of others labor without providing a clear path to true.

We have forgotten where we came from no wonder the true Conservatives want to go back to the way things use to be. Remember the dog attacks, lynchings,  random beating for eying white women and segregated bathrooms?  Oh for the good old days of Jim Crow as witnessed by the Barber attitude. We fell to call these people out who don’t see color but oppose any program that aid the needs of the disenfranchised. Witness programs like Morning Joe a bigot and liar whose very existence is a result of bastardized form of Conservatism that claims it does not see race as an issue in the country. He does more harm than Rush and Sean combined, watch, actually listen to what’s said. The guy actually has the verb to refer to people who disagree with him as idiots. Yet he is such a coward he refuses to admit he’s a closet racist as Joe says when he goes to far for his neutered guests just joking

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 4:44 am Link to this comment

The New Jim Crow that M. Alexander outlines in her
new book is practiced in every state of the Union.

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

I am not confusing anything, cities as Boston had
as terrible civil rights records as any southern state.

The Dems offered more resistance to civil rights legislation than repubs.

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By Inherit The Wind, April 15, 2010 at 4:03 am Link to this comment

Some otherwise solid posts are tainted by this inaccurate statement:
“Jim Crow was practiced just as harshly in the northern cities as it was in the South right up until Civil Rights legislation.”

Jim Crow was the enactment, in law, of the right of the State to define what people could and could not do on the basis of their race.  It could bar children from schools, it could bar people from using public facilities, it could bar people from marrying.

Such laws were NEVER part of the Northern states following the Civil War.

Jim Crow was the legal enactment of Segregation—Apartheid if you will.

You are confusing racism and discrimination, which are STILL rampant in the North to this day, with Jim Crow, which did not exist in the North.  There is a serious difference.

Back in the 60’s, when he was still an active comedian, Dick Gregory put it this way: “Down South, they don’t care how close I get as long as I don’t get too big.  Up North they don’t care how big I get as long as I don’t get too close!”

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By ofersince72, April 15, 2010 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

The majority of the northern army couldn’t speak
English, got conscripted as they got off a ship and didn’t
even know what they were fighting for.  Grant’s claim to
fame was winning some western battles because he could
afford to lose 20 to 1 troops.

Thirty years after the war, blacks were still slaves
with the federal govs stamp of approval, both in the north
and the south.

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By ofersince72, April 14, 2010 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Slavery as all Americans know, was never any thing to
be proud of.  Most also know that emancipation was just
a by product of the Civil War, not the cause. Emancipation
was a tool used by the North in order to have the
Europeans boycott the South. Lincoln’s proclamation didn’t
free one slave and exempted two or three north slave
holding states.
  Jim Crow was practiced just as harshly in the northern
cities as it was in the South right up until Civil Rights
legislation.
It is still being practiced today in other forms.
Michelle Alexander’s new book explains this well.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 14, 2010 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

Six hundred fifty tea party events are slated for tomorrow. 

NowHampshire.com—and this is all over the country: “New Hampshire Democrats are engaged in a statewide search for liberal activists willing to attend so-called tea parties on Thursday and carry signs expressing racist or fringe sentiments, a Democratic source with knowledge of the effort tells NowHampshire.com.” 

“According to the source, who sought anonymity for fear of reprisals, the Dems’ last minute scramble reflects a growing obsession among party leaders that they need to discredit the tea party movement soon or it will overwhelm them come the November election.”

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By Inherit The Wind, April 14, 2010 at 7:45 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, April 14 at 6:45 pm #

ITW,

You’re right. I am wrong. I neglected to address my comments as pertaining to roughly Half of the Voting Public.  You are, nonetheless, correct.

Now that that useless diversion has been expended perhaps you can concentrate on my repeated requests on the issue of the dangerous republican racists you keep writing about. - Can you offer anything?  Anything at all that supports your opinions?
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GRYM: I have to give you credit on this one for acknowledging it.  All kudos to you for that (no sarcasm intended).

As for the other thing, I HAVE offered the evidence. You simply chose to ignore it.  But I did omit one more piece: In the 2008 election, to solidify the “base”, the GOP actively alienated a critical constituency: the Latino vote, which always had a very reliable component, based on the so-called “family values” issues.

But with the absurd insensitive and unrealistic anti-immigrant planks, the Latino vote evaporated.  Too many families have “illegal” members.  The “Si! Se Puedo!” movement should have been a trumpet call but it fell on deaf ears.  One mistake George W. Bush NEVER made was to alienate Latinos by moving to push out the illegal workers.

You can turn a blind eye to the myriad incidents, the 2000 “push-polling” by Bush’s team about McCain’s daughter, Bridget, the blatantly racist attacks on Obama’s wife and preacher, the “Macaca” moment for George Allen, but they are there.

You can toss up Byrd’s Klan background (for which he has apologized again and again). But the man is in his 90’s and the Klan for him was before most of us were born (and I’m 54).  (Besides, I have NEVER been a fan of Robert Byrd, but that’s another story).

If your idea of “proof” is a Republican Plank saying “We think Blacks and Latinos are troublesome minorities who don’t know how to behave in middle and upper class society and therefore should be excluded from it, by law”, you ain’t gonna find it.

But if you look at the consistent mis-representation of Affirmative Action as ALWAYS being a quota system (which is false) or the use of “code words” going back to Nixon’s “Law and Order” and Reagan’s “Crime and Welfare” and his phony “Welfare Queen”, Bush 41’s “Willie Horton” etc. etc. you see a consistent pattern, a penumbra, that shows the GOP has been playing on racial stereotypes to get votes. 

“No proof”!  That’s just plain delusional.

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By artie1959, April 14, 2010 at 6:19 pm Link to this comment

The Confederacy is alive and well and the Civil War is still on. If you will take the time to notice, the confederate flag is on most flagstaffs in the South.  The attitude towards black people, by white people, is still that the black person is beneath the white people.  The civil war was not, originally, about slavery.  As a matter of fact, Lincoln said he had no plans to end slavery. Somewhere along the way, slavery did become an issue and that is what most people believe that the civil war was about.  I had a layover in Atlanta, went to buy a newspaper and the white clerk asked me if I was a Yank.  In the realm of time, the civil war was not that long ago and the institution of slavery is still a bothersome issue to many black people.  For the Confederacy, the war was always about slavery.  This is why southerner’s today are still very bigoted against black people. I am a 50 year old white man and I feel that having a month, dedicated to the Confederacy, would be an abomination.  As I said the Confederacy is alive and well.  That is, in the minds of white southerner’s.  In the mind’s of America as a whole, the Confederacy was defeated over 150 years ago and is a nonentity today.

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By Clarence Hagmeier, April 14, 2010 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment
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As bad as the institution o slavery was, it was not the “original sin” of the European occupation of the Americas.  The ORIGINAL sin of the Europeans was bumping off the original inhabitants, and no where was that more successful than in Anglo-America. 

When Europeans first appeared on these shores, it was already close to its carrying capacity for human beings.   

Descendants of of the victims of slavery are still around (and still suffering the consequences of it.)
With the exception of a few small valiant pockets, there are very few descendants of the original genocide left.  They certainly don’t have the political power that Blacks have.  And their numbers for things like income, infant mortality and life expectancy are even worse than they are for Blacks.

I was surprised that this was only briefly mentioned twice in the comments.

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By Go Right Young Man, April 14, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

ITW,

You’re right. I am wrong. I neglected to address my comments as pertaining to roughly Half of the Voting Public.  You are, nonetheless, correct.

Now that that useless diversion has been expended perhaps you can concentrate on my repeated requests on the issue of the dangerous republican racists you keep writing about. - Can you offer anything?  Anything at all that supports your opinions?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 14, 2010 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

“In general elections roughly half the nation vote republican.  You can’t twist that to mean (or demean) something less. “

GRYM: That is a flat-out lie.  It’s also a STUPID lie because it’s easily disproven by anyone with junior high math.

There were aproximately 304 million Americans in July of 2008 (Source: CIA Library)

John McCain got 58 million votes in November of 2008. (Source: CNN Election Results)

Now 58/304 * 100 give you….19.1%.

Now in WHAT UNIVERSE is 19.1% “roughly half the nation”?  THAT is what I mean when I say you cannot have your own facts.

Now we also know that roughly 40% of all VOTERS who VOTE vote Republican and 40% vote Democratic regardless.  The middle 20% decides the Presidential election, so roughly 10% (or 20% of each party’s tally) is changeable independents.

So….10% of 58 million is 5.8 million, leaving 52.4 Million (McCain actually got 58.2 million).

52.4/304 * 100 = 17 1/4%.  So 17 1/4% of Americans in the last Election were die-hard Republicans.

So you are comparing apples to oranges. 

I also challenge that 48% of LIKELY voters.  Check the Gallup poll….49% of REPUBLICANS favor the Teaparty, but only 28% of the WHOLE popultion.  Oops…..You are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

Now that’s the Gallup Poll as of April 5, 2010 and what is published ON LINE by Gallup today, April 14, 2010.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127131/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx

Everything you think you know, GRYM, is simply wrong.

I have proven it by the numbers and BY YOUR OWN SOURCE!

I stand by what I say.

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By Hammersmith, April 14, 2010 at 11:50 am Link to this comment
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I am proud of my Southern heritage, including the Confederacy and the Confederate Army.  As to slavery, I am indifferent—it was a historical phenomenon.  If anything, I pity those who found themselved dependent of slave labor.  It is my American heritage I am ashamed of, the here and the now, and everything that has transpired since the Civil War.

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By Charley Barcelo, April 14, 2010 at 9:31 am Link to this comment
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Neoconsciense,
Would it be sensible for the descendants of Germans living in Wisconsin to declare a Nazi recognition month without mentioning World War Two and the Holocaust??

Can you not see the hypocrisy in declaring a month of celebration of a political institution which advocated and enabled one of the most vile and reprehensible system of our National history.

Are you or are you not a true American who can applaud our great country for resisting this blight on our soul?  Or are you a protodaw who secretly wishes we hadn’t sttod up for the rights of all our brothers and sisters?

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By Leefeller, April 14, 2010 at 9:30 am Link to this comment

Celebrating the Confederacy seems to me like the Germans celebrating Nazism, of course not mentioning the exterminations of peoples demonized by them?

Why does this Southern attitude surprise me? On the other hand, I would not expect Southerners to celebrate General Sherman, does the north celebrate Sherman? I have a rose named after General Sherman, and of course the US Army had a tank named after him.

Division and divisiveness seem needed for both the Dems. and Repubs, sponsored and promoted by the plutocracy.

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By Anarcissie, April 14, 2010 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

neoconscience, April 14 at 11:11 am:
‘I fail to see that this is an apology for slavery and racism. ...’

That’s possibly because you’re looking at the Confederacy and so on from the inside out.  From the inside, it looks like a system of familial and local relationships, loyalties, and memories of shared experiences and struggles.  From the outside, however, say the point of view of one of the descendants of the Negro slaves, it looks like a conspiracy of racism, slavery and treason.  Try to think of how you would feel about the Confederacy if many of your ancestors had been enslaved under it, many of them tortured, raped and murdered, with many of its contemporary fans seeming to wish to return to that sort of arrangement.  This may be difficult and yet you might find it a worthwhile exercise.

Certainly if you’re a fan of the Confederacy you need to come to terms with the outside point of view even if you believe it is deficient.  There are good reasons for it, and evading the issues as the governor did is only self-degrading.

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By Anarcissie, April 14, 2010 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

GRYM—Incidents and atrocity stories are of little importance in looking at broad historical movements, although sometimes they illustrate them.  However, the Southern Strategy was a broad historical movement.  If you’re unfamiliar with the term and what it represents, look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy and the links from it.

Nixon didn’t invent or cause the Southern Strategy; it was obvious that when the Civil Rights movement defeated segregationists in part by getting control of the Democratic Party (at least in regard to their issues) resentful conservative Whites would be looking for a new political home—hence their support of the candidacies of George Wallace, but mainly their movement into the Republican Party.  They offered millions of votes, millions of dollars and millions of hours of activism without seeming to ask for very much.  It was an offer the Republicans couldn’t refuse.  But this movement changed the Republican Party’s culture and ideology in significant ways.  Nixon is dead, but the Southern Strategy lives on: if you look at electoral maps of the presidential elections of 1896 and 2004, you’ll see that the two major parties have almost exactly changed places.  The Democratic Party is now the party of the Eastern big-money establishment, and the Republican Party is the party of Southerners and Midwesterners who oppose them.

Old-time Republicans of the Bob Taft or Eisenhower variety would have regarded people like Sarah Palin and the Tea-Partiers as ludicrous and dangerous, and wondered why they weren’t in the Democratic Party where they belonged.  Modern Republicans are running after them panting.  It is quite a change.

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By glogrrl, April 14, 2010 at 8:27 am Link to this comment
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“What does he need? Guys in white hoods with burning crosses?”

I’m guessin’ that would suit him just fine.

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By Leefeller, April 14, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment

The bond fires of hate must be continually stoked, least ignorance disappear from the face of the earth.

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By jay1953, April 14, 2010 at 8:00 am Link to this comment

At the beginning of the colonial period the vast majority of forced labor was by way of indentured servitude of white Europeans. When the colonial masters couldn’t fill the need for cheap labor from the indentured whites they attempted to enslave the Amerindians as had done the Spaniards a century before, that was short lived when the Amerindians fought back and as we know a war of genocidal extermination was launched that lasted the better part of 300 years. When the enslavement of the Amerindians failed the Africans were brought in and enslaved to meet cheap labor demands.

The Emancipation Proclamation really did not free the slaves. It only changed the structure of indenturedness so that whites and blacks are now the indentured. The ingrained racism developed during the slavery period and afterwards has left blacks at a competitive disadvantage. The vast majority of of us live in disguised form of miserable indentured servitude. That is the institutionalized structure imposed on us against our will. Many of us poor bastards accept this structure in the belief that as long as we can become the next Wall Street miracle or the next entrepreneur millionaire, our shot at the American dream of riches and success, we accept the inequalities as justified. Even defending them against our own best interest. What a delusion! What brainwashing!

The reality is that most of us do not reach the level of freedom, independence and wealth we would like to have but we contribute with our labor for others to realize their dreams while most of us are left on the wayside and then accused of wanting a charitable handout. Can injustice be any more perverse in the land to promotes itself as a champion of equality and justice?

The root of the problem is unregulated capitalism which enslaves individuals to the disguised indenturedness of a brutal system that disposes of individuals as valueless fetid corpses when they are no longer of use to provide the labor for the enrichment of the elite capitalist class. This brutal capitalism has found its new indentured classes in the sweatshops overseas, ie. China. We Americans are left by the wayside to die a slow death of degradation, ignominies and humiliation; eventually disposed of as useless rotting bodies buried in a mass grave of anonymity. We the working classes that demand a structure that will allow us to share a piece of the wealth we helped create have now become a burden, a liability for the elite corporatist classes.

It is class warfare, it is the few dominating and ruling over the many.

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By tropicgirl, April 14, 2010 at 7:28 am Link to this comment
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I think the confusion here, which Eugene is only too happy to exploit, since
that is his livelihood, is this:

No one is disputing the evils and the curse of slavery. Although the founders
and other national leaders themselves had slaves, today there is no
disagreement on that wrongness of slavery, that is credible.

But, the assumption that the Civil War and Confederacy was just about slavery,
or even primarily about slavery, is not true, either. (That is also not to say that
it should not have been the primary reason).

The central point that is under scrutiny is whether or not it was intrinsically evil
to favor the federal government over the states. Or, as Lincoln called it, the
Union. Evidence supports that members of both the North and South favored
states rights and the right to succeed. I think that issue has now returned. Why
preserve the Union? Let’s discuss that.

You learn a lot about Lincoln the more you read him. (and I am not saying
Lincoln was correct in this):

Lincoln:
“If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could
save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing
some and leaving others alone I would also do that.” Abraham Lincoln.

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By neoconscience, April 14, 2010 at 7:11 am Link to this comment

I fail to see that this is an apology for slavery and racism. What I do see is the SCV (Sons Of Confederate Veterans) rcognition of their ancestors.
Are they even allowed to have ancestors and history? Apparently not. You find one thing about confederate history month, that glorifies or celebrates slavery… I didn’t think so.

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By keeperofthefire, April 14, 2010 at 5:30 am Link to this comment

lots of good comments and if i may add,i find one thought missing,namely if you “really” look unbiasly at the whole history of this country,when push comes to shove,the two partys ,except for minor differences,are following the same agender for whomever “really” runs this country!!!and to keep the american people in the dark÷d;,they get us fighting over so calleddifferrences between dems&reps;,when if fact it doesn’t matter a bit because the real power brokers/moneyed interrests,who really run this phoney republic,call the shots and if someone in gov. doesn’t go along they(moneyed interrests) kill them!!!!!!!so as long as they keep us thinging we have a real choice between partys and keep us fighting ,this country will never change or live up to its “bill of rights” or constitution ever.this is and always been the most dangerous and evil gov. since day one(see genocide of native americans/slavery) and it has been allowed to to genocide the rest of the world to this day because “we the poeple” dont have the guts or brains to see what our gov. been up to and to finally stand up and stop this madness.f dems& reps,stop fighting over them,there the same when push comes to shove,let’s get the ball rolling and do what should have been done years ago,vote all,yes everyone politition out,both state&federal;,till we get some real,honest humanbeings running our gov.!!!!!!!!if that doesn’t work then let the revolution begin!!!!

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By Go Right Young Man, April 14, 2010 at 4:45 am Link to this comment

ITW,

I write again.  The charge of institutional racism is a serious one. It is the type of charge that produces real violence amongst men.

I did not ask for more of your opinions.  You have already given that.  So….I challenge you….YET AGAIN…to produce some evidence of this “republican racism” you write of

It’s been over a week now I have asked this of you and you have yet to produce anything - less restating your opinions.

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In general elections roughly half the nation vote republican.  You can’t twist that to mean (or demean) something less.  Also, the latest Gallup poll indicates that 46% of likely voters identify positively with the Tea Party Protesters (up from 28% five months ago).  That too cannot be twisted to suite your needs, my friend.

Now how about some tangible evidence of this dangerous, republican, institutional racism you keep writing about?  Do you have anything?  Anything at all?  Or will you simply repeat your “opinions” concerning events of thirty (30) years ago and extrapolate that onto today?

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By Inherit The Wind, April 14, 2010 at 4:07 am Link to this comment

I must remind GRYM of one more thing: The topic and title of THIS thread is:

The Confederacy Isn’t Something to Be Proud Of

He needs to remember that.

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Go Right Young Man, April 13 at 11:29 pm #

ITW,

I write again.  The charge of institutional racism is a serious one. It is the type of charge that produces real violence amongst men.

I challenge you, yet again, here and now.  Produce some evidence of this “republican racism” you write of or, simply end the hate speech you haphazardly hurl at roughly half the United States.

What you and others are doing is wrong, Sir.  It’s irresponsible and dangerous.
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I stand by it.  When Southern Governors, all Republican, stand up to cheer and celebrate the Confederacy, they aren’t just wackos like Blago in Illinois (a Dem)—it’s part of a plan.

The “Southern Strategy” in 1968 was real and has been the game plan for GOP election success since then, including Ronald Reagan kicking off his campaign for the 1980 election in Philadelphia, Mississippi—precisely the small town where Schwerner, Cheney, and Goodman were murdered by the KKK and in complicity with the local police.

There has only been one Black GOP Congressman since, oh, probably Reconstruction: JC Watts, and even HE finally couldn’t stand the incipient racism in the party.  The policy of intolerance has been building in the GOP since Reagan.  I cannot remember if it was the 1988 or 1992 convention where Gerry Ford PLEADED with the delegates to view Democrats as merely WRONG, not “enemies of the Nation” as speaker after speaker described them.

Now for numbers:  There are about 330 million Americans.  The most votes a GOP candidate has gotten was 63 million in 2004—that’s about 20-22% of the population. Of those, at least 12 million (10% of the total vote) were independents (generally the 20% in the middle dictate elections—That’s George Will’s thesis).  That leaves 50 million Republicans—one SIXTH of the nation, not one half as you disingenuously claim.

Of that one sixth, I’m guessing maybe 25 to 30% are Tea Party types—say 30%. That’s 15 million people.

So less than 5% of the total population is causing the minority party to swing toward their crazy views that 95% of the population do not share.

And that 5% is jacked up by Fox News, Glenn Beck, Limbaugh, etc.

Yet somehow, that 5% and the 17% the GOP represents are holding the nation hostage to their extremist, racist, anti-Constitutional views.

And, of course, our spineless Democrats have been catering to them, so they are just as complicit.

And GRYM claims loudly and blindly “THERE’S NO PROOF!” 

I stand firm in my charge.  And the proof is there for all to see.  You are not entitled to your own facts, GRYM.

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By Paul_GA, April 14, 2010 at 2:45 am Link to this comment

I’m reminded of probably the best line from the mega-movie “Gettysburg”, where Confederate General Longstreet remarked to British Col. Fremantle, “We should’ve freed the slaves first, THEN fired on Fort Sumter.”

The South’s “moral high ground” was shaky, as a country attempting to gain independence and yet maintaining that chattel slavery was not a necessary evil, but was in fact morally right. Once Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation and changed the war from a crusade to “save the Union” to a crusade to “free the slaves”, that shaky moral high ground crumbled, and the South was all but sure to lose. (This is an over-simplification, to be sure, but there’s an awful lot of grist to grind about the War Between the States, and this isn’t the mill to do it.)

Still, Jeff Davis did say, “The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form.” And it may be that he was right: http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_14871755

And remember that only one state, at present, challenging the feds on this point is an ex-Confederate state; all the rest are Western states.

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By Virginia from Virginia, April 13, 2010 at 9:55 pm Link to this comment

EJH wrote “The pressure to “support our troops”
regardless of ones feelings about the wars is
ridiculous.  The soldiers are not heroes.  They are
criminals. http://theunpeople.blogspot.com/”
“Supporting the Troops” supports the wars.  It gives presige to our young people to join up and fight.  “Supporting the Troops” supports the Bush preemptive strike policy.

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