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The Bigots and Billionaires in Ron Paul’s Orbit

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Posted on Dec 22, 2011
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By Joe Conason

The latest evidence of simmering racial resentment on the American political fringe showed up Monday in a Facebook post by a California man who urged the assassination of the president and his two daughters in obscene, racist language. Aside from the Secret Service, there was little reason for most of us to pay attention to this sick boob—except that he was identified as a local political leader of the tea party and an avid supporter of Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who now seems likely to place first in the Iowa presidential caucuses.

To those who have followed Paul’s long career as a failed presidential candidate—these campaigns have become a family business—the appearance of yet another racist nut job in his orbit is scarcely news. The newsletters that earned millions of dollars for him from gullible subscribers over the decades were often soiled with vile invectives against blacks and other minorities. He is a perennial favorite of the John Birch Society and kindred extremists on the right. He once refused to return a donation from a leader of the Nazi-worshipping skinheads in the Stormfront movement.

What is it about the kindly old doctor that attracts some of the most violent and reactionary elements in society to his banner?

For many years, Paul was merely an outlying crank in the ranks of the Republican Party—a “libertarian” who courted the paranoid bigots in the John Birch Society, whose monthly magazine featured his name on its masthead as a “contributing editor.” More than a decade ago, during his 1996 campaign for Congress, the racist ravings in his newsletters were first exposed—the same series of articles that besmirched Martin Luther King and Barbara Jordan and encouraged every racist stereotype about African-Americans as criminals and welfare dependents. He disowns those words now, but back then a spokesman defended them as merely “taken out of context.”

Back then, his rhetorical flirtations with the White Citizens Councils hardly mattered. Almost nobody bothered to listen seriously to his urgings that America return to the gold standard, repeal the income tax and the direct election of U.S. senators and erase all of the advances of the past century in protecting the public from cyclical depressions, poisonous food, water, air and drugs, and the insecurities of poverty, old age and ill health. Most Americans still could remember when this Darwinian ideology influenced policy and knew that the nation was not better off—except for a few robber barons—back in the days before Theodore Roosevelt inaugurated the Progressive Era, beginning a century of reform.

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On the far right, including wealthy figures such as the Koch family that once supported the Birch Society and now backs the tea party, there are many who share Paul’s brand of political nostalgia. Kindly and gentle as he appears, Paul has always known how to sound the dog whistle that excites them, whether it was in the race-baiting that adorned his newsletters for years, the claims that medicine served us better before Medicare and Medicaid or the campaign against the Federal Reserve. Although Paul has occasionally disavowed his supporters on the ultra-right when political expediency demanded it, they have never abandoned him—and they won’t, because whether or not he is actually a racial bigot, he shares their disdain for the 20th century.

There is little reason to worry about the policies of a Paul administration, despite his current lead in the Iowa polls. But the rise of the tea party and the vacuum of leadership in the Republican Party have created a space for Paul’s lethal fantasies, which if enacted would return us to the bad old days of mass poverty, rampant pollution, racial supremacy and all the other ills that characterized the America of the robber barons.


Joe Conason is the editor in chief of NationalMemo.com.

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By Korky Day, February 13, 2012 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

Vote in this ranked-ballot fun-poll for Ron Paul’s vice president!

http://www.demochoice.org/dcballot.php?poll=PaulVP2012

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By ardee, December 31, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Korky Day, December 29 at 11:37 pm

You find it a “pro Paul” article do you? Hatred of Paul no, seeing through to his potential for great harm yes. Also seeing the ultimate worthlessness of Libertarian politics….

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By Korky Day, December 30, 2011 at 12:37 am Link to this comment

Do you who hate TruthDig for posting this article against Ron Paul?  Today they’ve posted a pro-Paul article by Robert Scheer.  The debate continues in the comments there.

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By drbhelthi, December 29, 2011 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

@diamond
“Ron Paul is their savior when he is in fact their worst nightmare…”

Doctor Ron Paul is the nightmare of the same evil persons and forces that conspired to murder John F. Kennedy, Sr., that strung from the White House to the Vatican, the same that murdered Robert Kennedy Sr., a few of the same that murdered John F. Kennedy, Jr. 

Dr. Ron Paul is openly supporting the issues that JFKSr was quietly carrying out. 
Essentially, removing control of the U.S.A. and the world banking system from
foreigners and bequeathing it to the U.S. citizenry.

“Libertarian”?  Another current buzzword that has become a distracting non
sequitur.

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By PatrickHenry, December 28, 2011 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

It’s Ron Pauls advocating the end to the corporate entitlements and corporate personhood TPTB fear most.

If he was so anti-regulatory and pro-business he would have been elected long ago.

He is getting through.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn5A3VhQI4U&feature=youtu.be

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By blogdog, December 28, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Libertarian policies are well understood and Appall’s Austrian School economics I’ve clearly
rejected (several times in this thread)

but ‘saviors’, ‘nightmares’, what’s being invoked here? sounds like spooky, bogyman talk - 4
years ago wasn’t Obobmber supposed to be the ‘savior’? and when it comes to ‘nightmares’...
even Chomsky calls him a bigger war criminal the Bush or Blair

but, as for applied policies…  I would submit that in Obomber’s final term he would continue
running left cover for the hegemonic globalist agenda of expanding wars and under left cover
try to achieve even more draconian austerity than a Libertarian like Appall - any thoughtful
progressive would call for a serious primary challenge - http://primaryobamanow.com/ - if no
of those look promising, let’s hear a proposed alternative

once more so it doesn’t go missed - if not Appall, if not Obomber, whom is recommended?

as I’ve written before - Betrayus will likely stand against Obobmer - and we’ll have nothing to
say about it ... not a one of us

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By diamond, December 28, 2011 at 2:30 pm Link to this comment

“.Ron Paul is their savior when he is in fact their worst nightmare…

that straw man don’t stand up - whose ‘savior’, whose ‘nightmare’?”

Read the ‘Libertarian Party Platform’ and you’ll know. It’s freely available via google. And bear in mind that all the other Republican candidates are libertarians too, whether they admit it or not.

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By 2much2much, December 28, 2011 at 6:14 am Link to this comment

Proper research takes time. These couple of paragraphs of twisted views on Ron Paul’s ideals are a laughable attack against the only candidate to have predicted/warned of the current financial crises. It is so much easier to adopt the opinion of someone else, than it is to do proper research of your own. I don’t have any ill feelings toward Ron Paul Haters, because like racists (whose main attributes are labeling and grouping individuals while maintaining a collectivist mind-state) they are ignorant to relevant facts. If the most important issues that WE face are not addressed, the corporations that you work your asses off to support on a daily basis (especially Black Friday), you will be sold another eloquent celebrity promising change. If people can’t see that a re-election means more Bush policies on steroids, we’re all screwed.
You may now continue helping the establishment media slander the last politician to ever resemble MLK Jr./JFK.

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By PatrickHenry, December 27, 2011 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment


How you can think to cast a ballot for someone who will further strip the entitlements from our suffering citizenry,

http://wildandwonderfulwhites.com/family/

I can.

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By drbhelthi, December 27, 2011 at 4:09 pm Link to this comment

Opinions and predictions are precisely that.  Whether either is “spot on” is determined only in retrospect.  Opinions and predictions that are used as propaganda, are precisely that: propaganda.

I have known two persons who were genuinely clairvoyant.  One need not be clairvoyant to recall the pre-election promises of “Barack H. Obama,” the democrat.  Nor is clairvoyancy required in order to compare his promises with his after-election performance.  That the USCongress passed NDAA 2011 indicates no significant differences between the Rep and the Dem parties.  That the democratic president signed it, after reportedly stating that he would not, verifies his consistent performance since having been elected.  Say what the 99% want to hear, do what the 1% want done. 

The path of the USA, as established by the political leadership, is well established.  For me, there are two questions. 1. How much longer until - - ; 2. Will there be a US presidential election in 2012?

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By Arabian Sinbad, December 27, 2011 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

By blogdog, December 27 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

...Ron Paul is their savior when he is in fact their worst nightmare…

that straw man don’t stand up - whose ‘savior’, whose ‘nightmare’?
http://primaryobamanow.com/
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Thank you blogdog for the link to “primaryobamanow.com” which I was not aware about!

From this blog, I can see that we have a reasonable alternative to both sell-out Obama and the backward fascist Republicans; a Dennis Kucinich-Marcy Kaptur ticket will be that alternative. Though I am cash-strapped, like millions of the 90+ percent citizens, I am willing to invest $300-500 on this ticket!

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By Steve Simpson, December 27, 2011 at 3:52 pm Link to this comment
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Gees! More crack pot journalism. They seem to think that if they twist & shout often enougn then their slanders will become true.

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By blogdog, December 27, 2011 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

...Ron Paul is their savior when he is in fact their worst nightmare…

that straw man don’t stand up - whose ‘savior’, whose ‘nightmare’?
http://primaryobamanow.com/

Nader: Impeach Obama for ‘war crimes’
By Jordan Fabian   - 03/20/11 02:47 PM ET - http://tinyurl.com/3uhbge7

Former presidential candidate Ralph Nader says President Obama should be
impeached for committing “war crimes” in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The consumer advocate and former presidential candidate said in an interview
that aired Friday that Obama has committed “war crimes” on the same level as
President Bush. 

“Why don’t we say what’s on the minds of many legal experts; that the Obama
administration is committing war crimes and if Bush should have been
impeached, Obama should be impeached,” Nader said…

[...]

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By diamond, December 27, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

“How you can think to cast a ballot for someone who will further strip the entitlements from our suffering citizenry, further enable the rapacious freedoms of our corporations by ending regulatory powers already weakened beyond belief. Read something about Libertarian politics, read it now, stop acting the fool.”

You’re absolutely spot on, Ardee. It never ceases to amaze me that people can be so desperate for a savior that they can believe Ron Paul is their savior when he is in fact their worst nightmare - as are all of those lining up for the Republican Party nomination. There is not a decent, progressive human being among them. Each and every one is a nut and a wackjob and Ron Paul may be the worst wackjob of them all. He certainly has the most radical and extreme policies and only differs from the others in that he admits to his policies while the others lie about them.

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By drbhelthi, December 27, 2011 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

@dawn sadlowski (or whichever fictitious alias)
“Ron Paul will do nothing unless Congress who writes the laws writes one to defund all he wants.”

Oh?
Which sessions of the U.S.Congress approved the “executive directives” of the occupants of the POTUS slot from 2000-2011?

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By Anarcissie, December 27, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

I don’t think Ron Paul is of any consequence to the Left.  However, many proggies have perked up because the political institutions which are supposed to reflect their interests and desires have failed to do so.  Hence, the dogs have been sent out to get the sheep back in the herd.

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By dawn sadlowski, December 27, 2011 at 12:42 pm Link to this comment
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Ron Paul will do nothing unless Congress who writes the laws writes one to defund
all he wants.

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By Rudolfo, December 27, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

Another predictable hatchet job on Ron Paul from the left?

Yes, of course.  But that is because there has been no real left since Israel and the banks have become the dominant force in US politics.  The left has now become a shill for Israel and for TPTB, Goldman Sachs, et. al.

Paul’s domestic policies might seem wacky, but they were the actual policies from 50 years ago, so really they are just a little out of date.

But the point is his lack of support for Israel and the bankers, and his support for the ideals that have made the US unique, and which, believe it or not, are disappearing.

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By drbhelthi, December 27, 2011 at 3:30 am Link to this comment

@DonovanMoore
“Here is proof that Ron Paul is a racist.”

The word “racist” has become another buzz word that has replaced other nonsequiturs formerly used to scapegoat.  Current use of the word tends to reflect CIA-type disinformation, and otherwise, naive stupidity.

Scapegoating and scapegoaters continue to be vogue, obviously. Naturally, supporters of Wall Street fraud, and its current POTUS pimp, attempt to scapegoat any politician that supports honesty and transparency in government.  Which, will of course, continue, until such evil-people-groupings are disempowered.

Politicians that are not scapegoated similarly to Ron Paul, tend to be approved by the machine that has overtaken the USA and most of the western world.  Such politicians are members or affiliates of the current machine, thus pose no threat to current NAZI-types that rule the USA.

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By glider, December 27, 2011 at 1:52 am Link to this comment

Can anyone with knowledge of the law comment on whether Ron Paul if elected POTUS could successfully pardon all the drug war victims in the PIC? and end this aspect of real world racism.

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By Donovan Moore, December 26, 2011 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment
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Here is proof that Ron Paul is a racist.

http://youtu.be/i3EADdr-5AY

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By blogdog, December 26, 2011 at 6:48 pm Link to this comment

...a confused and almost addled defense of Ron Paul… oh dear -
desperate for a straw man, are we?

I make no ‘defense’ at all for Apall - I don’t ‘support him’ - I don’t like Apall’s
Austrian School economics - but, as I wrote before, I dislike Obomber’s wars and
war economy even more so - again, I urge one and all - go here
http://primaryobamanow.com/ - support a primary challenge to O-Bomber - the
best faux-left shill Wall Street ever bought - or better yet: show us your alternative
to O-Bomber and his Billion Bombs for Democracy Foreign Policy, and all it entails:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcQDUmq-00I

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By ardee, December 26, 2011 at 2:20 pm Link to this comment

chip, December 26 at 1:09 am

Ron Paul will do nothing of what you claim. Smoke another joint and give us some more nonsense.

To those who seek to diminish Paul’s Stormfront connections:

You are the worst of the worst, either blind or ideologically nuts. Get this straight, those connections are not simply a few campaign checks mailed to his committee and not returned. He has been photographed on several occasions meeting with high Stormfront leaders. Two of his top aides were members as well. At its heart, libertarianism dovetails rather well with the goals of Stormfront. So then, they are your goals as well?

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By Egomet Bonmot, December 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

Obama-Paul debates will be as thoughtful and historic for their day as Lincoln-Douglas were in theirs.  We’ve waited a long time to discuss the *purpose* of America.

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By ardee, December 26, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

blogdog, December 25 at 9:22 pm

What a confused and almost addled defense of Ron Paul, as , sorry to note, are most of the defenses of this Ayn Rand devotee. This is not about Obama vs. Paul this is about a corrupt system that continues unabated regardless of which corporate stooge one votes for.

How you can think to cast a ballot for someone who will further strip the entitlements from our suffering citizenry, further enable the rapacious freedoms of our corporations by ending regulatory powers already weakened beyond belief. Read something about Libertarian politics, read it now, stop acting the fool.

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By balkas, December 26, 2011 at 12:43 pm Link to this comment

ron paul wld ban illegal wiretapping, bailing out banks; annul patriot law, end occupations, do away with bases, etcetc.
but then who wldn’t want to do that?
but had he [i am not saying that he hadn’t] accurately/adequately enlightened us HOW AND WHEN he’d accomplish any or all of
that?
and in view of great probability that ?all judges, congresspeople, msm columnists, banksters, large shareholders, et al wld not
change their minds an iota about bailouts, having bases; occupying on and on or even forever some lands, patriot act;
‘necessity’ to fight ‘terrorism’, support israel and the like fascist countries, threaten/invade/spy on some other lands, etcetc.

at this time i do not see a way to significantly or even only slightly change what is by far more important than what ron paul is
concerned about and that is the basic u.s ideology [crudely, right of a person to own another] and the fact that constitution is
an interpretative writ; solely interpreted by judges.
and thus far the supreme court found zilch wrong with what cia, w.h, congress, msm, or even banksters have done. 

so, is he gonna prosecute judges—who have approbated every u.s war, torture, bailouts, a-bombing hiroshima, extermination
of indigenes, lynchings, slavery, exploitation, injustice of many kinds and degrees, etc?

so, if paul is honest and a wise thinker why doesn’t he tell americans HOW he’s accomplish all this?
it is by far more important to say what one is for than what one is against. he, eg, avoids [as far as i know] to say that he’s for
about equal military-politico-educational powers for all u.s citizens; and without which no change for better is possible.
so, i caution, expect the worsenings; but work diligently, and hope for the best. chuck away all saviorism! tnx

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By Jay Lindberg, December 26, 2011 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
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Ron Paul’s Platform, as I see it is pretty simple. 
End the War on Drugs,  Radically reduce defense
spending, Pull our troops out of Afghanistan and most
other foreign countries as well, Repeal the Patriot
Act, and move corporate polluters into the criminal
courts instead of civil matters. 

He opposed bailing out the banksters and we could use
a health care policy that makes sense.  Remember Ron
Paul understands health care from the perspective of
a Physician. 

Obama is a puppet of Corporate America and the
Banksters, so is the Repuglican Party.  What we
really needed was an alternative candidate in the
Democratic Primaries.  We didn’t get it so now we are
looking for alternatives to Obama and Ron Paul looks
pretty good. 

We Live in a Fascist state and Ron Paul seams to be
the only one

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By A Bird in the Hand, December 26, 2011 at 9:59 am Link to this comment

I see Truthdig is rapidly returning to it’s primary function as a shill for Obama and ‘special interests’..
(Not that it ever LEFT)

RON PAUL 2012

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By glider, December 26, 2011 at 9:35 am Link to this comment

@MichaelShaw,

Pretty shallow analysis.  The MIC, the Banksters and evolving fascist state is scared to death Paul has managed to become a potential contender.  But they are quite comfortable with Obama and Romney as their agenda under these puppets will continue unabated.  Joe Conason is an MIC tool and the above article is a standard media lapdog attack piece that reflects the fear of the elite over Paul’s candidacy.  I doubt you have anything to worry about.  Paul will likely be eliminated one way or another.

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By Michael Shaw, December 26, 2011 at 7:17 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul is but one more example in the list of the pro-corporate choices we Americans are left with from the entire field of shills on both sides of the so called political aisle. Where my amazement really unfolds is when I visit progressive websites where several repondents actually believe supporting a pro John Birch-Koch brother supported bigot is a good idea. My hat goes off to Joe Conason for discerning fact from fiction. Ron Paul’s supportors are acting like tea party fanatics. Oh! Wait a minute! They are tea party fanatics!

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By NZDoug, December 26, 2011 at 2:27 am Link to this comment

The best way for the Republican party to regain the confidence of the American
people would be to hold a wrestling match rally with all the Republican
candidates presesent.
Donald Trump could M.C. and announce.
Michelle Bachman could jelly wrestle Sarah Palin with Ron Paul as referee.
RP would look good in ref colors.
So anyhoo, just when one or the tother is about to be pinned, and Paul is
slapping the canvas for the three count, Romney and Gingritch storm the
stage, the usual” jumps off the turn buckles” and and body slams and stuff.
Instead of saying Gingritch closelined Romney, Trump says he “Gingritched” him, and whole new vocabularies of wrestling- politics gets invented.
Trump smashes a chair over Ron Paul when no one is looking and the match turns into a last man(or woman) standing.
The victor emerges,  declaring to take all Americans over to Israel so they can blow up everything and get raptured, so they all can go to Heaven.
This would show th American people that the Republican party speaks as one for America with truth, justice and the American way producing freedom and democracy.
Surely this act could win back the trust of the American people.
God Bless!

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By chip, December 26, 2011 at 2:09 am Link to this comment

I have watched a few hours of Ron Paul’s campaign speeches on C-Span, Meet the Press and The Dylan Ratigan show. I couldn’t stand to watch even a few seconds of any of the other repubic candidates.

Long ago (in the 80’s) the dems decided they had to do nothing to please people on the left, like me.
They had my vote by default and they knew it.
Then they went after the big “corporate” dollars.

Well you folks that are knocking Dr Paul need to listen to the dude “unedited”. C-Span is good for that.
He will prosecute the corporate crooks instead of hiring them.
He will bring our troops home from the 130 country’s we now occupy.
He would ban the CIA from from torture.
He would repeal the patriot act.
He would stop the illegal wire tapping.
He would ban FBI from illegal investigations such as Martin Luther King Jr, Peace groups, Nuns.
(Ron Paul has said nothing racist) unless you would call (“When Fascism comes to America it will come waving a flag and carrying a cross”), being a racist.

He said when the people bail out the corporations with their tax dollars it is a form of Fascism. 

He would decriminalize Drugs at the federal level and respect what states decide, unlike Obama and California.

He would NOT eliminate the income tax because it would affect the poor disproportionally.

He would not eliminate Social security but favors giving young folks a choice to invest their own money.

He would not attack Iran.

He would stop ALL foreign aid.

I would rather have Kucinich or Bernie Sanders or Ralph Nader, none of whom are running.
so Dr. Ron Paul, you will get my vote.

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By blogdog, December 25, 2011 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

... he’ll deliver all right. He will get rid of social security, of pensions, of
anything resembling public health and the public education system…

alternative, OBOMBER?

BLOODY HELL!!!! OBOMBER ?!?!?  the bomber of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen,
Libya, Somalia and now targeting Syria - targeting to fail another state, and
another state, and another state - any state protecting citizens from IMF/World
Bank hegemons, OBOMER’s task masters

and on the domestic front - Obomber Care, abject joke - Obomber working
stealthy left-cover ‘magic’... again, BLOODY HELL!!!  - who’s shilling for whom?

again, who’s shilling for whom?

BLOODY HELL!!!!!!!!! ignore the bleeding shills - http://primaryobamanow.com/

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By azzabazza18, December 25, 2011 at 8:57 pm Link to this comment
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@ D.R Zing

Your post was a pleasure to read, thank you.

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By Arabian Sinbad, December 25, 2011 at 8:05 pm Link to this comment

Even if Ron Paul was caught in the past making racist or bigoted remarks, one should not be so harsh on him for, after all he is being the product of a white culture, political system and milieu that practiced bigotry and racism openly as a matter of faith and policy for a long time and as late as the 1960’s.

Moreover, one can even say that the unfettered American capitalism has bigotry and discrimination intertwined with it since it promotes material greed, Mammon worship and race favoritism. Moreover, since the material resources of any nation are limited, and given that there are no ideal regulations to prevent a minority from appropriating for themselves more than their deserved share, then there is no wonder social and economic discrimination will continue to be an integral part of the American capitalist system.

As a result of that, one can see the phenomenon of the numbered petty family economic empires (the equivalent of the medieval feudal system, that control the majority of the nation’s wealth. Now, no one can convince me that this concentration of wealth in the hands of a tiny minority is the result of hard honest work, because if it was so I would have been one of those filthy rich for being a person who everyone who knows me knows that I am a workaholic, putting almost eighty hours of work a week, and having the highest level of education one can have; that’s a PhD.

So, en essence, the problem is based on history, culture and an established defective system; and only a radical revolution might have a chance of bringing about a meaningful change. No one person within the tyrannical two-party system will be able to make a difference. So, for the time being, individual citizens have either give up on voting at all, or opting to vote for the lessor evil as they subjectively see it.

Sorry for expressing a pessimistic picture indeed on the very materialistic Christmas day and on the eve of another New Year!

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By balkas, December 25, 2011 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment

d.r. zing,
yes, we survived because we trusted and cared for one another.
all ate or shared of what was harvested, picked, or caught. there was no hording by any
individual. there was no ‘experts’ or politicians. there was no job giver or job taker. all worked.
even children. and they loved it when included in berry picking, carrying water, gathering this
and that, etc.
talent and meritocracy was shunned; probably not even known. all were talented. people led and
were led, etc.
there was no priests to tell us how wicked we were and needed them to ‘guide’ us. and then the
great evil descended upon us! tnx

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By diamond, December 25, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

“Paul MIGHT not deliver, but we KNOW Obama isn’t delivering.”

Oh, he’ll deliver all right. He will get rid of social security, of pensions, of anything resembling public health and the public education system. He also believes income tax should be abolished. How exactly the state is then expected to function is a mystery. And when these Libertarians are cornered on the subject of war they cease screaming for ‘small government’ and fall silent. If you want the Bush administration multiplied by a million degrees of harm then vote for Ron Paul. He’s also opposed to abortion and most other women’s rights and most of the civilized values that came to be the norm from the seventies on. He is not the devil you don’t know he’s just the devil, full stop, with gray hair and a dopey smile and a head full of inhuman, fanatical ideology.

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By Anthony Look, December 25, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
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As in the past, the time has come where this current Ron Paul campaign must now be put to rest. It is imporatant to note that this is the perverbial last nail on the coffin of Ron Paul’s presidential aspirations. Be it his age or America’s education of who the real Ron Paul was and is; his presidential goals end with the 2012 campaign. Predictably however, he will initiate a 3rd party desperate attempt to continue down this lost 2012 cause. Whether the mantle will be handed down to another seperatist/segregationalist like his son Rand or another designated Paulite mold from the cult is yet to be realized. The Liberterains have been outed of their closet as the reincarnation of a pubically civil KKK (thank the internet and blogs). They will carry the torch of racism henceforth, memoralized by the persona and past of Ron Paul.

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By D.R. Zing, December 25, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

“Most Americans still could remember when this Darwinian ideology
influenced policy and knew that the nation was not better off—”
        —Joe Conason

“Essentially, hello social Darwinism; hello 19th century working
class hell.”
        —race_to_the_bottom

“Paul’s crude Darwinian economic vision offers no substantial change
from our current ‘market uber alles’ neoliberal regime.”
        —TongoRad

I appreciate the sentiment of this article and agree with the
sentiments in many of the posts but let’s not go dissing Darwin

Darwin is famous for the book On the Origin of the Species,
with species being the operative word here.  Everyone reading
and commenting on this article is of the genus and species Homo
sapien
.

Darwin observed and wrote about how the best adapted species
survives under challenging conditions, not the biggest bird that eats
the other animals, but the bird with the most uniquely curved beak
that can gain sustenance where others cannot. 

Social Darwinism is a simmering crock of shit concocted by sociopaths
who don’t know a fucking thing about science. Can you dig it?  They
bastardize Darwin’s observations and science to justify preying on
their own species
.

And—apologies to all moderate Christians here—there is also a bunch
of fundamentalist Christians who interpret The Holy Bible literally
and want to paint Darwin in a bad light. 

To all of the above: Give Darwin a break! Alright? 

Darwin’s observations can offer hope and a path for survival in the form of an
epiphany:  We are all one species.  We will all die or we will all survive.

Help your neighbor.

We survived this long as a species not because we are violent and
cruel but because we are kind, because we care about each other,
because we mourn people when they die and protect others from death,
because we act as a group to protect the young and the frail, because
we regard the cruel and the violent as abominations to be ostracized.

What we’ve seen over the last few thousand years has been a
perversion of our evolution, a dangerous change of course, where war
is seen a progress, where mass murder is victory, where institutions
and seats of power attract sociopaths, where our better instincts are
made subservient to greed and violence. 

If we are to survive, we must adapt. The adaptation we most need at
this moment is one of spirit and intellect. We’ve overpopulated our
world and destroyed many of its natural resources.  We will need to
join together and act with compassion and wisdom to survive. 

Peace and compassion, 

D.R. Zing

December 25, 2011.

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By Anarcissie, December 25, 2011 at 8:17 am Link to this comment

TongoRad, December 24 at 9:42 pm:

‘... Yet some folks continue to be bamboozled with cutesy political theater about challenging the Military Industrial complex and legalizing pot.
Gosh, that almost sounds like “change I can believe in.” ...’

It’s ‘change I might be able to believe in’ versus ‘change I know I can’t believe in.’  It’s something versus nothing.

It’s too bad proggies don’t have prominent candidates of their own who are opposed to endless war, imperialism, the police state, the Drug War, and bailouts for banksters, but that seems to be the way it is.  Maybe that will change; meanwhile Mr. Paul is going to continue to attract the leftists and dissidents the Democratic Party has so successfully kicked out.

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By Korky Day, December 25, 2011 at 4:30 am Link to this comment

I sense that the people are in the angry mood to vote for the “devil” they don’t know well (Paul) over the “devil” they now know all too well (Obama).  Paul MIGHT not deliver, but we KNOW Obama isn’t delivering.

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By blogdog, December 25, 2011 at 1:11 am Link to this comment

...run America like a feudal state with a powerful elite at the top and an
underclass at the bottom that is sent to fight endless wars…

BLOODY HELL!!!! just like the Obomber regime - propping up elitist task-masters
at every turn and waging a new war at every opportunity - need a real choice

http://primaryobamanow.com/

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By TongoRad, December 24, 2011 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

The verdict is in about unrestrained capitalism. Paul’s crude Darwinian economic vision offers no substantial change from our current “market uber alles” neoliberal regime. Workers have no power or control over their lives other than the “freedom and flexibility” to find another job and place to live under Paul’s Libertarian nightmare.

Yet some folks continue to be bamboozled with cutesy political theater about challenging the Military Industrial complex and legalizing pot.
Gosh, that almost sounds like “change I can believe in.”

Wake up. Ron Paul is merely another 1-percenter mouthpiece spewing bullocks.
Change will only occur when workers organize. Change will not result from putting faith in establishment ideologues such as Ron Paul.

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By diamond, December 24, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

“Cancel my subscription.  I can get better, more factual information from Comedy Central.  Ron Paul will win in 2012 in spite of everything, including incompetent propagandists like the author of this article.”

If you think Ron Paul will win you have very little faith in the intelligence of the American voter, not to mention their sense of self-preservation. The problem the Republicans have is that everyone who is prepared to stand for the nomination on their side ranges from the far right to the lunar right and Ron Paul belongs to the latter camp. Every single one of the contenders for the Republican nomination is an extremist who wants to run America like a feudal state with a powerful elite at the top and an underclass at the bottom that is sent to fight endless wars. Ron Paul is to the furtherest outreaches of the lunar right. He is Dick Cheney on steroids. Next to what Paul wants to do to America, Dick Cheney was a benevolent, humane and wise leader. You’ve been warned.

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By SoTexGuy, December 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

If allowed to do so by the system and powers that be.. I would vote for Ron Paul.

He’s not perfect and I do have hopes for a better candidate.. So he’s backed by some bad people? Isn’t Obama also the beneficiary of the Banking and Trading communities? .. that dumped on us so recently? The MIC? those are big backers
of Obama.. At least with Paul I think I know what I’m buying.. Obama is the rainbow candidate! Rainbow as in whatever color (or policy) you want to see.

And in the end, isn’t the Congress in charge? That same Congress that has allowed or abetted every program or policy of Obama? Surely they’ll be the balance to any off-the-wall policy from the White house!? .. regardless of who may be in there?

It’s natural to hope for better things.. but more and better from Obama? He’s the ultimate weasel.. Yes! I am a former Obama supporter that now sees him as he is.. I was wrong once about him.. I will not vote for him again… even for dog-catcher!

I can’t be scared in to voting for Obama.. nothing and no-one can be worse than Obama in terms of everything I care for.. the environment, working conditions, war, civil liberties, trade inequality .. he’s the anti-christ..

My only sincere hope is that enough people besides me also share my views and Obama is dumped! Put a reactionary Republican in there! At least then I’d know who the enemy is! If you are a Democratic strategist looking at this (not hardly likely they may inquire of their constituency) I’d advise it’s not too late.. nominate someone else for President.. Even if and when Obama is reelected it will be celebrated by virtually NO ONE.

Adios!

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By Scott, December 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment
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Bullsh*t.

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By Korky Day, December 24, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

Better than a Paul-Kucinich ticket (mentioned earlier in this discusssion by Carl Quinlan) would be Ron Paul - Cynthia McKinney.  Former US Representative Cynthia McKinney was the Green nominee in 2008.  I voted for her and met her.  That ticket would clean up, appealing to disaffected Republicans and Democrats—which includes almost everyone, by the way!  Their platform would be:  In our first term we’ll focus on what Libertarians and Greens have in common:  Obey the Constitution.  End the 2-party system.  End the wars of aggression and exploiting other countries.  End the war against drug users.  Stop bailing out the 1%.  Lower taxes, especially on the 99%.  Audit the Federal Reserve.  Restore civil liberties.  Fair elections.  End corruption and pork barreling.

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By balkas, December 24, 2011 at 1:12 pm Link to this comment

there is real estate out there. according to supremacists ideology, it is there for the taking.
it’ll cost some lives, but the idea of getting it by any means whatever, is not gonna go away,
no matter what ron paul says or intends to do.
it’ll cost some money, but in time the profits wld be double, tripple of the original costs.
and it wld be spread, inequally as usual, among the useful, say, 20%. [it’s the equality u.s
abhors the most; thus it must be meted to the 20%, as well]
naturally, japanese, euros, asians [of the supremacist thought] are as eager to get it as are
americans. and americans cannot, it seems, do it by themselves. they need world
supremacism and ‘religions’ in order to obtain the planet.
and once an unitary ‘religion’ and unitary THOUGHT IS ESTABLISHED ON THE PLANET,
HISTORY ENDS. THE TWO-HORSE [of the EQUALITY-INEQUALITY] IS FINALLY OVER.
true, very true, there is that ticklish problem of nuclear weapons and a DIFFERENT [or
seems to be] THOUGHT than that of us/et al and which also possesses nukes.
and along comes useful fools like ron paul to not to tell world that.
so, what’s new in this? is he not really selling false ‘promises’ and snake oil? tnx

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By tapxe, December 24, 2011 at 12:33 pm Link to this comment
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why would conason write this?

let’s see…

is joe conason a jew?

bingo!

Paul wants no more aid for israel.

wouldn’t that be bad huh,  mister manufactured dissent joe conason?

Understand the panic in conason’s, gloria borger’s, wolf blitzkrieg, anderson cooper (bingo, bingo, bingo !, etc..) ‘s voices?

connect the dots?

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By balkas, December 24, 2011 at 12:26 pm Link to this comment

as far as i had been able to ascertain: no supporter or nonsupporter of ron paul has noticed the most
astounding fact: that even nader and not just ron paul, m.moore, et al do not condemn wars [by any
country and not just by u.s] on the desirable principle that no land has the right to attack another
land under any known circumstance.
which obviates any collective punishment of any people whose govt, ideology, constitution, laws.
self-interest, etc., are committing or under suspicion/accusation of committing crimes against
humanities.
not, of course [at least not in principle] punishment of a criminal leadership of a country which u.s or
nato or any land wants to attack militarily.

in case of saddam/iraqi govt, few doubted that it had committed crimes against humanities and
every honest observer knew that it was very easy to punish it in many ways w.o waging a war against
iraqi people and/or peoples.
if am wrong about ron paul, et al, please, let us know. tnx bozhidar baljkas, vancouver

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By Mossad, December 24, 2011 at 10:07 am Link to this comment

What a bunch of crapola! Let me get this straight. Some nut supports Ron Paul so therefore Ron Paul is some nut. Give me a break. I don’t agree with all of Paul’s views and I’m not a libertarian, but his stands are principled and well thought out. His antiwar views are something that any thoughtful person with a semblance of awareness can embrace wholeheartedly. As far as the Fed goes, he’s absolutely right, the Fed should be opened up and we should see what it is they are doing. I’m sick of secret government and pro-war liberals! I’m sick of the Cheney-Bush-Obama foreign policy of endless wars of aggression against third world nations and the endless expansion of empire. Paul is the antidote to Washington D.C. that mainstream hacks like Conason are frightened to death of. So they smear the one straight shooter running for president. Ron Paul may never win, but if he did, we’d be far better off as a nation. This government is bankrupt, out of control and is taking the nation over a cliff with it’s “stay the course” policies of “conventional wisdom”. Whatever Paul might do would effectively be a course correction to a nation careening wildly. Get serious already!

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By balkas, December 24, 2011 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

THE SYSTEM IS ALL. u can then have castro for prez of u.s; and if
he swears allegiance to THE SYSTEM, U’D GET ONLY WORSENINGS.
u’d obtain worsenings for most and betterment for a few not only
BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM and/or u.s ideology, but because the
planet is getting poorer and more peopled.
so, instead of having one evil: THE U.S THOUGHT, we now have
two great evils: the thought and global warming.

as also einstein [among others] had noted, same thought results in
same doings.
and people worry who’s running for presidency???? tnx

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By Rixar13, December 24, 2011 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

“To those who have followed Paul’s long career as a failed presidential candidate—these campaigns have become a family business—the appearance of yet another racist nut job in his orbit is scarcely news.”

When confronted, Ron Paul stands up and walks out…?

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By Carl Quinlan, December 24, 2011 at 8:41 am Link to this comment
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“Create a new currency backed by something tangible”

“Devalue the dollar into oblivion.”

Nice to see the “free-thinking” Paul supporters all copy and paste (word for word) the same talking points.

It also amuses me when I see people saying “if I could vote for Kucinich I would, but I’ll vote for Ron Paul instead.” Kucinich is in favor of sensible regulation, Paul is in favor of no regulation. These men are polar opposites, and yet one commenter even said he’d like to see a Paul/Kucinich ticket. Seriously, WTF???

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By Thoughtful, December 24, 2011 at 8:35 am Link to this comment
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Some things I’ve noticed:

One, white people (right wing white people, no less)
are making a bigger deal out of these newsletters
then black people. Why is that?

Second, do you, or your readers, know what the word,
“bigot” means? Dictionary def: “A person who is
unnaturally obsessed with his own opinion.” So, such
a word can be used to journalists and others who are
obsessed with the race narrative, that America is a
TOTALLY racist country, the Republicans are a TOTALLY
racist party, and all this opposition to Obama, why,
it must be racism!

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By FilthyCherry, December 24, 2011 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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What garbage and thoughtless drivel.

Here’s a read that has some effort and journalism into it:

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-real-story-behind-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters-2011-12

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By Alan Clifton, December 24, 2011 at 5:22 am Link to this comment
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Paul has admitted negligence in oversight of the newsletters published while he
was out of office pursuing his medical practice. He disavowed the message
publicly. As a doctor, he treated all poor for free, including minorities. He has
been outspoken against the unfairness against minorities of our penal and judicial
systems. If you listen to what he says and looked at what he’s done, you see he’s
not racist. This is a smear piece that’s been circulating since he gained front
funner status.
Paul cannot be responsible for every supporter. I’m sure there are some racist who
support him as I’m certain there are some racist that support the other candidates.
Paul’s message of following the constitution, removing the police state that has
been put in place, a strong military “defense”, not a division for aggressive wars
and nation building, is resonating with the public. What’s wrong with that? What’s
wrong with freedom? The people should not fear their government and yet we all
do. Something has gone terribly wrong in this country. Paul want’s to set it right.
Ron Paul 2012

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By ardee, December 24, 2011 at 5:20 am Link to this comment

The sad, pathetic fact is this. Even if all the smears about Ron Paul were true (most are not, some are IMHO) and even if Ron Paul had gangs of baseball bat wielding neo-nazi skinheads supporting him, thee is one undeniable fact.

Ron Paul would STILL be a better president that Obama. All the smears do not change that.

As my grand children might say,OMG! What sort of morality do you possess, Mr. Cavlin, to make such a terrible and terribly ignorant comment as that. Racism disqualifies one from the consideration of anyone for any office in our democracy. That includes you I think.

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By glider, December 24, 2011 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

@mrfreeze

“The solution would be if Americans got off their fat fucking asses and voted for representatives who represent their best interests (dialing back HLS, few prisons, better schools, universal health care…all worthy causes and all doable)”

You mean like voting for “Change” and the “Most Transparent Administration in History”?  Understand, except for the rarest of cases, that until the money is taken out of politics you are only allowed to vote for representatives of moneyed interests!  You generally get to vote for a either a shit or piss sandwich.  Time and again U.S. policy is directly opposed to the will of the people as reflected in polls, especially considering the brainwashing done by the MSM.  All our current “representatives” were voted in by the people but they are paid by special interests to do their bidding not ours.  The system is rotten and is incapable of supporting what you describe.  The legacy of Obama is to unequivocally prove that point.  Obama is responsible for birthing the OWS movement which at its core rejects the ability of the system to right itself.

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By drbhelthi, December 24, 2011 at 2:10 am Link to this comment

Conason´s article attempts to distract from the bigots and billionaires on Wall St.,
in USGOV, in Israel, and scattered around the world, the “robber barons” who
currently own and manipulate the USA and the western world. 

The disinformative idea of the differences between Republicans vs Democrats, is
clearly disproved by the vote in the Senate that approved NDAA 2011, which
advances nazification of the U.S.A.. 

Certainly the honorable credentials of Dr. Ron Paul are protested by shills of the
Kenyan-born, partial-Negroid, who currently occupies the u.s. presidency, and
his employer the C.I.A.  The consistent deportment of “Barack H. Obama” insults
not only genuine Negroid folk, but all human beings and humane values.  All
the puppetry mouthings against Dr. Ron Paul reflect resistance to decency, and
forces that would hinder the WWII NAZI machine from its suppressive
subjugation of the USA & Western World. 
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=8252175042329977626#

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By Michael Cavlan RN, December 24, 2011 at 12:58 am Link to this comment

The sad, pathetic fact is this. Even if all the smears about Ron Paul were true (most are not, some are IMHO) and even if Ron Paul had gangs of baseball bat weilding neo-nazi skinheads supporting him, thee is one undeniable fact.

Ron Paul would STILL be a better president that Obama. All the smears do not change that.

ROCKY ANDERSON FOR PRESIDENT

All else are nonsense. The LOTE Lesser Of Two Evils mentality has got us here. Understanding that it is, in fact an EOTL Evil Of Two Lessers and repudiating that will get us all out of this mess.

No matter how many Obama/Dem apologists articles that TruthDig publishes.

Can ya truth-dig it?

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By Egomet Bonmot, December 23, 2011 at 11:17 pm Link to this comment

Paul would free over a million black men from U.S. prisons for their nonviolent drug offences.  He’d save thousands more from death in overseas wars.

Bring on the newsletters, the Koch brothers and the Texas twang.  Paul is the best friend the black man ever had.

Which is why more blacks are polling for Paul than any other republican candidate.  Try a YouTube search, keywords ron paul black.

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By Egomet Bonmot, December 23, 2011 at 11:16 pm Link to this comment

Paul would free over a million black men from U.S. prisons for their nonviolent drug offences.  He’d save thousands more from death in overseas wars.

Bring on the newsletters, the Koch brothers and the Texas twang.  Paul is the best friend the black man ever had.

Which is why more blacks are polling for Paul than any other candidate.  Try a YouTube search, keywords ron paul black.

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By Elroy, December 23, 2011 at 10:42 pm Link to this comment

I suggest that Truthdig permit only registered comments.
That might reduce the large amount of devious trolls here
who aim to discredit reasonable arguments, such as this
one by Joe Conason.

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By Kjeld, December 23, 2011 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

Come on Mr. Scheer, time to chime in. Your defense of Paul’s “consistency” was always a
sham. You knew this guys record. Did you think it would do away?

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By mrfreeze, December 23, 2011 at 10:10 pm Link to this comment

glider - I’m not proposing simply “throwing more money” at anything. Let’s turn to your comment:

“If the government turns fascist what good does it do to finance it into a more powerful entity?  The dream of a fair government is simply unreasonable under the conditions of our pay for play system.  Give them more tax revenues and you will get more homeland security, more prisons, and more wars, NOT better education and an improved health care system.”

The “solution” to your (very insightful) statement certainly isn’t libertarianism. The solution would be if Americans got off their fat fucking asses and voted for representatives who represent their best interests (dialing back HLS, few prisons, better schools, universal health care…all worthy causes and all doable). These problems you describe happened because Americans have adopted a “hands-off” approach to our government.

By the way, it is Ron Paul himself who received huge applause at one of the “clown” debates when he said that a 30-year-old who gets sick and who didn’t arrange the proper health program should die for not having “taken care of business. He threw out the quintessential moron comment “take personal responsibility”..Hmmmm…....perhaps the “fascist” values you seem to fear reside in the un-beating heart of that little, old, ex-doctor from TX…...

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By Anarcissie, December 23, 2011 at 9:00 pm Link to this comment

It doesn’t matter what Ron Paul ‘really’ thinks, or is like, or did in the past.  All the ad-hominem attacks are a waste of time.

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By Payson, December 23, 2011 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

Because perception is often an American’s reality and the left/right paradigm
allows each side to define terms and write history as they see fit, it is little
wonder that Ron Paul appeals to so many different groups.

The progressive-leaning people I know who support Ron Paul do so, not
because they agree with most of his beliefs, but because they feel that the
United States has reached a point where the fight for the rights of minority
groups is ignoring the very real threat to our rights as Americans in general. 
Perpetual war, unending growth in domestic spying, the abuses of “Homeland
Security”—these issues are an even greater threat to the very definition of
freedom. 

I am no libertarian, but I am no democrat or republican either.  There is an
increasing group of Americans who do not believe the current system
represents us in any way.  History proves that the utter failure of a government
to work properly creates an opportunity for a charismatic “other” to make the
sort of political gain we are seeing with Ron Paul.  Is Ron Paul racist?  I would
like to believe that he is NOT.  I think he believes a strict libertarian approach
not only would work for the U.S. but is actually realistic.  It is nice to think that
America is still a country where anyone can simply pull themselves up and
everyone who works hard will have the same opportunities as the other hard
workers.  Alas, that isn’t the world we live in.  A strict libertarian America would
create a vacuum that corrupt and greedy oligarchs would hasten to exploit. 
Sadly, we could find ourselves in a future U.S.A. that is either a military state
with a dictator or a military state with corporate overlords.  Take your pick!

Ron Paul isn’t a media darling like Obama.  Try as they did, the media on both
sides can’t seem to ignore Ron Paul into submission.  It is little surprise that the
allegations of racism are suddenly being turned up to full-volume.  Ron Paul
isn’t a fanatical Jesus Wizard, philandering pig or goofy corporate raider.  What
better way to destroy the character of a kindly physician who hates the military
industrial complex than to call him a racist.  If a few crazy supporters is
grounds to terminate a race for president we wouldn’t have any candidates on
either side.

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By glider, December 23, 2011 at 8:39 pm Link to this comment

@Mr Freeze

“Libertarians are AGAINST GOVERNMENT. Why the f**k would one vote for someone who doesn’t believe in government to run it???? What am I missing here?”

In the past I have tended to want higher more progressive taxes, but only to support socially valuable services for the population.  I am rethinking that now.  If the government turns fascist what good does it do to finance it into a more powerful entity?  The dream of a fair government is simply unreasonable under the conditions of our pay for play system.  Give them more tax revenues and you will get more homeland security, more prisons, and more wars, NOT better education and an improved health care system.  We do not live in a democracy and you are proposing throwing more money at an oligarchy that does not share your goals.  Why would anyone want to do that?

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By gerard, December 23, 2011 at 7:21 pm Link to this comment

Patrick Henry:  Considering the reactionary tendencies of both parties in both houses due to moral lassitude, plus the vastly persuasive blandishments of the 1%, I fear your suggestion about overrides on many issues would prove to be illusory.  Here’s why: If Paul were elected, what issues would he actually veto, thus requiring a bipartisan override? And how hard would that be, considering present (reactionary) bipartisan agreement? For example:
1. That wars declared by Presidents (who may or may not lie about wmds and terrorists) are “just wars” or “necessary wars”? And what attempts to stem humanitarian crises justify military interventions?
2. Can crossing politicians’ palms with tons of money sometimes be okay? Or is it “inevitable”?
3. Are the Constitution and habeas corpus sometimes unnecessary and impractical restrictions that erode national security?
4. Should war crimes by our government and the Pentagon become public information?
5. Should America hold fast to the idea that it is a “Christian nation”?
6. Is evolution “only” a theory whereas “intelligent
design” is based on evidence?
7. Is torture sometimes necessary and does it elicit reliable information, and if so, how often? Are extraordinary rendition (even of U.S. citizens) and indefinite detention justifiable under certain circumstances?
8. What about abortion?  The “war on drugs”? The “prison industrial complex?”
  Most of these issues already appear to have considerable bipartisan agreement. How would Ron Paul’s veto, if any, be brought to bear on these issues?  And would expenditure be a primary issue, if and when?
  My honest observation is that no President can change the (regressive) Congress which actually represents the (regressive) citizenry more often than not. In other words, it boils down to us, not to politicians and plutocrats. We are desperate not to admit this, and every election is just one more opportunity to step into the trap and be “ruled over”, one way or another.
  P.S.—with the possible exception of OWS and the conscious, organized nonviolent efforts of tens of thousands more of the 99%.

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By robjira, December 23, 2011 at 5:59 pm Link to this comment

I’ve not been able to shake the rather paranoid feeling
that there’s something very disturbing about Ron Paul,
ever since having read the Turner Diaries (or as much
of it as I could stand). And while it’s nice to see
this discussion taking place, I feel no clearer on the
matter of Paul’s “true nature.” I do agree with the
opinion that even the token nod to populist views
represented by his inclusion among the candidates
cannot disguise the fact that there are still no viable
alternatives to Tweedle(D) and Tweedle(R).

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By balkas, December 23, 2011 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

sandy berman, i solemnly declare that an
enlightened majority cannot ever be as bad as any
monarchy or as bad as is presently vastly
uneducated majority in america.

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By PatrickHenry, December 23, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Got a platform Sandy?

The Presidency was designed to be a counterweight to Congress, in charge of our nations foreign policy which as I agree with Ron Paul is not being carried out in the manner it was intended. 

Only Congress can appropriate and spend money and having to cross the aisle and get together to override what I foresee to be many Ron Paul vetos, only bi-partisan spending bills would allowed to happen and I feel that would be a good thing.

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By Korky Day, December 23, 2011 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

The Duopolists make voting Green virtually illegal.  We’re almost forced to choose the Black president who murders Brown children with drones or the White physician whose associate said that Black muggers can run fast.

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By steve pesce, December 23, 2011 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment
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First off, Joe, this is a poorly researched, poorly thought out, hack job.  And you should be ashamed.  Truly. 

Second, and more important, what does IN THE ORBIT OF mean?  Some idiot posted inflammatory nonsense on FB?  Wow, that’s news. 

Third, Ron Paul happens to be the only NOT RACIST in this election cycle.  He wants to end the WARS and end the DRUG WAR and give amnesty to all non-violent drug offenders.  Those actions, which he is committed to, will inordinately effect the lives of people of color who have been assaulted by our judiciary system for years with the full complicity of both parties. 

Ron Paul has risen to a level where he will now have a platform to argue for these important issues.  So, now you cranks come out of the woodwork to silence him.  Why?  Because you’re all on the payroll.

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By blogdog, December 23, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment

sources will be sources:

...It’s nothing short of sad to see a pundit such as The Atlantic’s Andrew
Sullivan
— respected in the past for his intellectual rigor — whine about
“media intimidation” when sources such as the devoutly liberal Salon have
persuasively refuted his nutty theory that Sarah Palin faked her pregnancy with
son Trig. This is another one of those bewildering falsehoods that some people
just can’t seem to let go…

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/05/07/2857380/conspiracy-theories-a-distraction.html#storylink=cpy

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By kazy, December 23, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment
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WOW This article really struck a nerve with Ron Paul supporters and confirmed what Conason wrote:

“What is it about the kindly old doctor that attracts some of the most violent and reactionary elements in society to his banner?”

Damn! Just read some of the comments here. It’s true. These Ron Paul lovers are venomous. One commenter wished on the author that he and/or his children went off to war and come back as maimed or as mental defects. Nice guy, Koby.

Another supporter thinks the Jews control the world. Wonder if Herr Herman thinks Jews drink Christian children’s blood for Passover. Probably.

And then you got all these Paul supporters listing all the great things he’s gonna do. Are you guys gullible or what? How many presidential runners have promised great things and delivered? Just because he says he WANTS certain things, do you actually believe he can deliver? C’mon. It’s not up to him. He has to deal with a corrupt broken system and a lame congress. Congress is lame whether Paul’s president or Obama’s president. And IF Paul even comes close to enacting the things he wants, do you think he’s going to live to see it? He’ll have a bullet hole in his head before he passes anything radical enough to change the course that this country is on. Give it up. There is no one you can elect that is going to change anything until the system is fixed and that is not going to happen unless you purge Congress of the wealthy rich privileged politicians that are there, reduce the super majority of 60 votes from the Senate to 51 votes, increase congressional representation based on POPULATION, not territory, get rid of the conservative ideologue supreme court and corporate money and lobbyists. You think any one president can do that? Good luck with that and Ron Paul

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By Sandy Berman, December 23, 2011 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

I posted a submission over at “another site” a while ago… an excerpt from
AlterNet article entitled, “Why Do Some Progressives Support Ron Paul, Even
Though He Is Anti-Woman, Anti-Civil Rights, and Anti-Equality?”

Here is part of it;

? “Attracted by Ron Paul’s opposition to foreign intervention and the war on
drugs, some progressives find the libertarian candidate for president appealing,
especially since his grandpa-like demeanor gives him an air of sweetness.

But as Adele Stan noted, this ‘Cuddly’ Libertarian has some very dark politics.
Sure, his opposition to war is a positive (even as his objections are purely of an
isolationist / tax dollar nature… not that he’s for “peace on earth” or anything),
but it must be considered in the context of his other positions, which are not,
by any means, progressive.

“There are few things as maddening in a maddening political season as the
warm and fuzzy feelings some progressives evince for Rep. Ron Paul of Texas,
the Republican presidential candidate. ‘The anti-war Republican,’ people say, as
if that’s good enough.

But Ron Paul is much, much more than that.
He’s the anti-Civil-Rights-Act Republican.
He’s an anti-reproductive-rights Republican.
He’s a gay-demonizing Republican.
He’s an anti-public education Republican and an anti-Social Security
Republican.
He’s the John Birch Society’s favorite congressman.
And he’s a booster of the Constitution Party, which has a Christian
Reconstructionist platform.

So, if you’re a member of the anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-black, anti-senior
citizen, anti-equality, anti-education, pro-communist-witch-hunt wing of the
progressive movement, I can see how he’d be your guy.” ?

One particular commenter responded to my post thusly;

? “Its not ‘progressives’ who are supporting Ron Paul…. its liberals who are true
the name. Progressives seek more government intervention in our lifes. While
liberalism by definition is maximum individual freedom the antithesis of the
progressive idea of giving up individuals right for the collective good.” ?

This illustrates a troubling and fundamental misunderstanding by those
sporting similar fancies…

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By Sandy Berman, December 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Liberalism and Progressivism are two sides of the same coin.

“Liberalism” is a worldview…. one that acknowledges that there are basic
human rights. Civil liberties… equality for all… individual freedoms.  In this
aspect, the commenter was correct… but he fell far short of the whole picture…
but he missed the fact that, JUST as importantly, Liberalism is a way of
understanding the relationship between ALL PEOPLES and the comprehension
that it is INDEED our COLLECTIVE RESPONSIBILITY to see to the needs of others.

It’s called PRIDE.
It’s called EMPATHY.
It’s called COMMUNITY.
It’s called CIVILIZATION.

“Progressivism” is the political manifestation of that ideal… a pragmatic
mechanism by which we, as Liberals, are able to work TOGETHER in order to
realize and initiate those principals into proactive, practicable GOVERNANCE.

It’s called UNITY.
It’s called TEAMWORK.
It’s called RESOLVE.
It’s called PROGRESS.

Our Founders were amongst the first in world history to do that.  They, in their
infinite wisdom, recognized that the “majority” of any country (however
“enlightened”) can be just as tyrannical as any “monarchy”, any “despot” or any
“dictator” could be… and that even a Democracy must have some limitations.

Those confinements are beautifully described in the Preamble to our
“Declaration of Independence”...   “Unalienable Rights”.

A concept unheard of and never before integrated as the central doctrine of a
Nation in all of history… more than just a lofty ideal, but as part of a
“Constitution”.. as the RULE of LAW.

Universal human rights that can never be torn from anyone while they are in
our Country (whether or not they are citizens… whether or not they are here
‘legally’)...
Not even by the “Majority”.

What our Founders ALSO included as part of the fabric of our country was the
transcendental truth… the moral imperative that we freethinkers, fellow
countrymen…. we as HUMAN BEINGS… ALL HOLD A SACRED BOND TO EACH
OTHER.

What they called “The Commons”.

An affirmation of the existential TRUTH that we all need to address and invest
in the shared responsibilities that come with some mutual vision of the future
and our common goals…

Our “GENERAL WELFARE”.

Composing meaningful visions of the good society… one that would benefit
ALL citizens in general, rather than just a select, privileged few.

That commenters libertarian contention… that our requirement to contribute to
the “collective good” is somehow “giving up ones individual rights” was little
more than a misplaced kneejerk.

To the contrary, ‘contributing to the collective good’ is an AFFIRMATION of our
place as integral participants in an evolved, ENLIGHTENED COMMUNITY… one
that would certainly cease to exist without this team effort.

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By Sandy Berman, December 23, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Then, alas, there are those like Ron Paul…

All of them dogmatic ideologues aloof to the true nature of civilization…
parroting the rantings of a 5th rate novelist whose putrescent postulations are
anathema to every concept of enlightened society…. as well political and
ideological bedmates the likes of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan…
Milton Freidman and Paul Wolfowitz.

Embracing the cruel tenets of a harsh neoliberalism stated without apology in
their mutual insistence that “there is no such thing as society” and “government
is the problem not the solution”.

Espousing a perverse “market-driven morality”...  replacing our Founders
clarion charge for communal responsibility with the narcissistic call to further
one’s own interests at all costs….

To create a society that is hyper-individualized, trapped by the lure of vapid
material success and thus morally stripped of any obligation to the other.

Anarchy.
Jungle Law.

THAT is what Ron Paul is really about.. it is what Ron Paul has ALWAYS been
about…

He IS “anti-woman”, as he feels that they ultimately have no sovereignty over
the sanctity of their own bodies (hardly “libertarian”)...

He IS “anti civil-rights and “gay rights”, as he has introduced legislation to deny
the use of the Federal courts to people discriminated against because of their
religious beliefs or sexual orientation…. a “flag burning amendment” that
would negate the right to free expression.. (hardly “libertarian”)...

He is EXACTLY what I had described him as… the same racist and the same
charlatan that he has always been.. and there is no denying it.

No “Liberal”...
No “Progressive”...
No “American” indebted to the sacred protections that took centuries of sorrow
and millions of lives to create would ever offer allegiance to a man like that.

And I’d be willing to guarantee that not a single one of our Founding Fathers
would empty their bladders  on him (or any others cut from the same cloth) if
they all were on fire while holding the last existing copy of the Constitution in
their clutches..

Why?
Because of the fact that he has absolutely no regard for the notion of a real
central government or any need for a common -rule of civic law.

Because his blithe interpretation of their vision is exactly the OPPOSITE of the
miracle that they had conceived.

Because of an outlook that despises any acknowledgment to the necessity for a
progressive evolutionary metamorphosis of our society… the fairness and
universality of our laws and system of justice.

Because, frankly, he just doesn’t “get it”.

An intractable, dogmatic view that the tenets espoused within the Constitution
somehow frozen in time just as it existed in the 18th Century should be as
inalterable as if it’s precepts were chiseled into tablets seared from the Summit
of Sinai…

Our Forefathers created an immortal LIVING DOCUMENT for us all to share and
GROW alongside.. and a document also designed to grow alongside US as well.

Ron Paul?

He just seems hellbent on EMBALMING it.

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By kazy, December 23, 2011 at 3:25 pm Link to this comment
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One can argue from this article that we are already in the bad old days of the Robber Barons. However, there is no doubt about it, he’s a bit creepy when it comes to a lot of his views in that he wants to re-shape this country into something else entirely which is typical of extreme right wingers who I put into two categories - uninformed and willfully ignorant ideologues or mean and cruel selfish sons of bitches.

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By JDmysticDJ, December 23, 2011 at 3:24 pm Link to this comment

Ron Paul is a disciple of Ann Rand. He named his son Rand. He, like Ayn Rand, is a believer in laissez fair capitalism, an opponent of all government regulation, and an objectivist opponent of collectivism. “We the People” is in fact a collectivist sentiment.

“Ron Paul doesn’t seem to know much about his own newsletters. The libertarian-leaning presidential candidate says he was unaware, in the late 1980s and early 1990s, of the bigoted rhetoric about African Americans and gays that was appearing under his name. He told CNN last week that he still has “no idea” who might have written inflammatory comments such as ‘Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks’—statements he now repudiates. Yet in interviews with Reason (Magazine,) a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists—including some still close to Paul—all named the same man as Paul’s chief ghostwriter: Ludwig von Mises Institute founder Llewellyn Rockwell, Jr.

Financial records from 1985 and 2001 show that Rockwell, Paul’s congressional chief of staff from 1978 to 1982, was a vice president of Ron Paul & Associates, the corporation that published the Ron Paul Political Report and the Ron Paul Survival Report. The company was dissolved in 2001. During the period when the most incendiary items appeared—roughly 1989 to 1994—Rockwell and the prominent libertarian theorist Murray Rothbard championed an open strategy of exploiting racial and class resentment to build a coalition with populist “paleoconservatives,” producing a flurry of articles and manifestos whose racially charged talking points and vocabulary mirrored the controversial Paul newsletters recently unearthed by The New Republic. To this day Rockwell remains a friend and advisor to Paul—accompanying him to major media appearances; promoting his candidacy on the LewRockwell.com blog; publishing his books; and peddling an array of the avuncular Texas congressman’s recent writings and audio recordings.”

‘Anarcho-capitalism’...  is a libertarian and individualist anarchist political philosophy that advocates the elimination of the state in favour of individual sovereignty in a free market. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by voluntarily funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. According to anarcho-capitalists, personal and economic activities would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics…”

Political chaos leads to fascism. Dispirit right-wing movements coalesce around fascism in order to best serve their singular objectives. Fascism is vertical collectivism; socialism is an example of horizontal collectivism.

“‘Rugged individualism’... is only a masked attempt to repress and defeat the individual and his individuality. So-called Individualism is the social and economic laissez-faire: the exploitation of the masses by the [ruling] classes by means of legal trickery, spiritual debasement and systematic indoctrination of the servile spirit ... That corrupt and perverse ‘individualism’ is the straitjacket of individuality. ... [It] has inevitably resulted in the greatest modern slavery, the crassest class distinctions driving millions to the breadline. ‘Rugged individualism’ has meant all the ‘individualism’ for the masters, while the people are regimented into a slave caste to serve a handful of self-seeking ‘supermen.’ ... Their ‘rugged individualism’ is simply one of the many pretenses the ruling class makes to mask unbridled business and political extortion.”

“The least collectivist ... is social democracy, which seeks to reduce the perceived injustices of unrestrained capitalism by government regulation.”


Ron Paul is an ideological whacko and an unwitting dupe of tyrants.

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By pj, December 23, 2011 at 3:22 pm Link to this comment
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What a bunch of BS from Joe Conason. I stand with all the commenters above who call him on this nonsense. I too will not be donating to ‘truthdig.” For shame…

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By Vac, December 23, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment
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LOL. a little LieDig by Conason on TruthDig. Guilt by association.
Ron Paul is the one who gets campaign donations from this former democrat.
Desperation rages in the pseudo two party corporate machine.

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By Richard Smith, December 23, 2011 at 2:38 pm Link to this comment
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Cancel my subscription.  I can get better, more factual information from Comedy Central.  Ron Paul will win in 2012 in spite of everything, including incompetent propagandists like the author of this article.

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By Outraged, December 23, 2011 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

Re: blogdog

Your article link only brings you from one conspiracy
theory to another. They are LYING. I’m not saying
that there isn’t some evidence of conspiring to screw
us, for that we need only look to the U.S. Chamber of
Commerce. But even in this, we have to be certain
it’s true and from a reliable source. Yours is NOT.

Wayne Madsen:

“He has been described by many journalists
including Andrew Sullivan at the Atlantic Monthly,
CBS, and Salon as a conspiracy theorist.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Madsen

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By drbhelthi, December 23, 2011 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

” - - which if enacted would return us to the bad old days of mass poverty,
rampant pollution, racial supremacy and all the other ills that characterized the
America of the robber barons.”

In spite of his unamerican values, Conason did an excellent job of describing
the USA of 2011.

“What is it about the kindly old doctor that attracts some of the most violent and
reactionary elements in society to his banner? “

Simple.
His 40 years of demonstrated patriotism, his upright character, and his
summarization of what America requires to remove it from today´s Robber
Barons and restore the United States of America and the Republic for which it
stands.

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By Fearless, December 23, 2011 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment
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Yes, the antiwar candidate getting smeared by every major media outlet and their subsidiaries (truthdig) is definitely the one rubbing shoulders with all of the billionaires! I almost feel sorry for the media in their laughably desperate ‘smear campaign.’ But I don’t, considering the media is directly responsible for the endangerment, pain, suffering, and death of millions.

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By blogdog, December 23, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

RE: NO, Obama is not the Manchurian Candidate
(just thought I’d solve that argument up front)...

wrong, just a statement, not a resolved polemic - contrarily, Obomber has
proven very much to be a Manchurian Candidate, installed by Wall Street to run
left cover for the globalist hegemonic agenda - after promising peace and
taking the prize, his regime is failing states across the Middle East at an
accelerated pace - and just to solve that argument, NATO’s mission is to fail
states - especially those resisting IMF/World Bank hegemony

dismissing political analyses as ‘conspiratorial’ - yesterday’s smelly red herring
- anyone actually think that global finance oligarchs do not conspire in their
own interests, but rather leave those interests to so-called ‘free market’ whims,
political good fortune and the hoped-for dutiful obedience of the under
classes?

think again, e.g.

CIA/Soros funneling money through Georgia to Russian protesters

By Wayne Madsen
http://tinyurl.com/7fk94xh

WMR has learned from an eastern European intelligence source that the CIA.
Britain’s MI-6, and George Soros, who actually fronts for the Rothschild family,
has been funneling money to Russian protest movements through the Republic
of Georgia.

The Soros-style “themed” revolution for Russia is being called the “White
Revolution” or “Snowy Revolution,| with the color white being chosen as the
thematic color for the attempted Russian uprising. Perhaps not coincidentally,
the White Army was also the name for the counter-Bolshevik revolutionary
forces composed of czarist loyalists supported by British, French, American,
Japanese, and Czech troops who, from 1917 to 1922, attempted to invade
Russia and restore czarist rule. The White Army invaded Russia from Poland,
Lithuania, the Caucasus, and Siberia.

[...]

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By race_to_the_bottom, December 23, 2011 at 12:00 pm Link to this comment

This whole approach to who is and who is not a racist is fatally flawed. It matters not a bit if a person has no personal animosity to this or that group of people. What matters is the effect of actual policies. What are the effects of Ron Paul’s proposed policies?

Read them here: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/ron-paul-plan-to-restore-america/

This program is a wet dream for the the most wealthy people in the country and the corporations. Massive tax cuts for those sectors (check out the Summary table/revenues sector), smashing unions (Davis-Bacon); a wrecking ball approach to government; Slash and burn domestic social programs.  Wage cuts and layoffs for federal workers; deregulation up the wazoo. Essentially, hello social Darwinism; hello 19th century working class hell.


So who is hurt by these policies? Clearly the most vulnerable, the poor, who are disproportionally Black and brown. End of discussion on racism. This is where the rubber meets the road.

Ok, he is against the wars and that is good, but the reactionaries and war mongers who are certain to infest his government make that pledge very problematical at best. He will end up “compromising” with them to continue the permanent war. And Congress will make sure that most “defense” spending and Israel are untouchable.

So why are so many otherwise sane people on the Ron Paul bandwagon?

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By Outraged, December 23, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Ron Paul is conspiratorial nut. He is lying to you.
He has a history of doing so. And NO, Obama is not
the Manchurian Candidate (just thought I’d solve that
argument up front)

From Rawstory:

“Early in the 2008 presidential campaign – in
which Paul was a candidate – Kirchick published an
article in The New Republic in which he described
Paul as “not the plain-speaking antiwar activist his
supporters believe they are backing – but rather a
member in good standing of some of the oldest and
ugliest traditions in American politics.”

The letter promoting Paul’s newsletters claims that
Paul – through what he describes as a network of
“extraordinary sources” in Congress, the White House,
the Treasury and Justice departments, the Federal
Reserve and the Internal Revenue Service – had
acquired unique insider information that would his
subscribers to “neutralize” the plans of
“powerbrokers.”

Paul’s letter went on to describe various plots and
schemes that he had “unmasked,” including a “plot for
world government, world money and world central
banking.” He also claimed to have exposed a plan by
the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to
“suspend the Constitution” in a falsely declared
national emergency.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/22/in-ad-for-newsletter-ron-paul-forecast-race-war/

Here’s the direct link to the copy of the letter.

http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/11/12/Solicitation2.pdf

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By mackTN, December 23, 2011 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Well! I guess Mr. Conason took care of that! Bottom line, these questions are
fair and Mr. Paul should address them without impatience and defensiveness.  If
these ideas are not part of his worldview, he should explain why with as much
detail as he justifies any other topic in his debate repertoire. Put the dog down,
once & for all.

That said, I do wonder about the targeting of presidential candidates.  Not that
the issues aren’t valid, but who is the impetus behind all the expose attacks? I
can’t believe the MSM is out there doing its job to inform the 99%.

As for Mr. Obama, I am not convinced as others seem not to be either, like
@prisnerdilemna—

“Yes the Democratic party will attempt to tout, Mr. Obama’s cosmetic change,
as
substantive change. But his sell out to the corporations, rivals Bush’s, as does
his
betrayal of the constitution, NDAA, expanding his powers and executing
American
citizens without trial.  There are many examples of Obama’s betrayals of those
that voted for him.  For example the big pay day to the health care companies.
Each time some apologist touts this an accomplishment, it only serves to
remind
the voters what a corporate shill Obama has been.”

I for one couldn’t get excited about $20 a week when working and unemployed
Americans have been damaged 1000 times more than that.  I resent being
bought off or supposedly “helped” with $20 a week.

There is so much dishonesty in what’s being put in front of people, so much
manipulation—Dems & Repubs—Worse and Worser—alike.

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By erp1, December 23, 2011 at 11:18 am Link to this comment
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Wow.  The neocons like Joe Conason are so panicked by
Ron Paul’s wild fire success they are smearing him? 
Love it.
The troops who support Ron Paul more than all other
candidates combined, along with the millions of
Americans who love this honorable man are racist too
huh?  So is director of NAACP Nelson Linder who loves
Ron Paul?
Careful.  All other candidates attack Muslims for
political benefit… they would just as easily go
after Jews or blacks if times changed and that would
help them.  Only Ron Paul will safely defend all
individuals.  So watch out your attacks don’t come
back to bite you.

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By balkas, December 23, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

that we are not sane, civilized, caring/sharing, not able to govern ourselves, or
behave as humans, is a priestly notion.
our ancestors uncritically accepted this as an eternal verity.
u.s constitution and system of rule that emanates from that constitution is
founded on that priestly science; invented probably some 10 k yrs ago.

of course, many other systems or rule are founded on that ideology and not just
american one.
after all, all religions or cults can be deemed sciences. and no science possesses
truth let alone etern one. tnx

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By PatrickHenry, December 23, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie, 


Should he win the Republican nomination (won’t happen either) and seem to be in the lead, something will happen to him.


Should that happen I beleve there will be blood in the streets and open season declared on many corpratists and politicians alike.  Change you can believe in.

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By balkas, December 23, 2011 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

sanity [subumes honesty, caring/sharing, tutoring/guiding] requires that a person never ever makes a promise—either
tacitly or explicitly.
instead of making promises a politoco shld say to the voters: i don’t know, we’ll see! u, u people, if u must make
promises make promise only to yourselves and to the sanity and nothing else.

of course, no politico or priest wld ever say that. in fact, a politician’s talk consists mostly or even solely of promises.
and as long people listen that nonsense or sanest insanity on record, politicians and priests will continue doing that.
it works on most people; so why abandon such kapital.

however, even i am making an implicit promise:  that if politicians stop making promises [or we force them to stop
making them] conditions on this planet wld improve.
but i warn the readers of this fact and a priest, columnist, plutocrat, educator, general, cia agent, et al never ever do
that.
no, no, not a single one, as far as i know. and even ghandi, jesus MLK, einstein, marx, lenin, mao dze dong, genghis
khan, mohammed, moses have not, seems, noticed this fact and guide/tutoring. tnx

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By blogdog, December 23, 2011 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

again, were the choice Obomber or Apall and no inspiring 3rd party offering
arose, it would be Apall - war is over if you want it - but as the GOP circus really
gets roaring… I’ve cited before, there’s very likely a done-deal, back-room
decision, probably taken months ago:

the decent of the obvious deus ex machina; Generalissimo Petraeus - Webster
Tarpley makes the case: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay7ITJJUYUo

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By prisnersdilema, December 23, 2011 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Of course Ron Paul is not liked by either the Republican Party or the Democratic
party… Both parties are political failures who have contributed to the corporate
take over of this country….

If Mr. Paul wins as president, and lives up to his campaign promises,  it’s likely
that the military would face huge cut backs including the closing of many of the
731 bases around the world.

Linking Mr. Paul to racism, is a political ploy, just as the Right tried to link
President OBama to black racism. I really doubt if either Obama or Paul,
investigates the back ground of everyone that donated to his campaign.

Yes the Democratic party will attempt to tout, Mr. Obama’s cosmetic change, as
substantive change. But his sell out to the corporations, rivals Bush’s, as does his
betrayal of the constitution, NDAA, expanding his powers and executing American
citizens without trial.  There are many examples of Obama’s betrayals of those
that voted for him.  For example the big pay day to the health care companies.
Each time some apologist touts this an accomplishment, it only serves to remind
the voters what a corporate shill Obama has been.

Then there was his failure to prosecute Wall Street, back meaningful financial
reform, and on and on.

Obama’s biggest problem is himself, and his failure to live up to has rhetoric. For
many desperate voters, Mr. Paul represents change, rather than a continuation of
the current mess. This is his appeal.

There will be many attempts to try to rebrand Obama. He may even admit to
making mistakes, or blame congress, minimize what he did, list what the
Democratic party feels are positive things he has done, or say change is hard to
accomplish. But all these attempts will not sway independents who feel that they
were betrayed by him…..His poll numbers reflect the voters views of the job he has
done…. They didn’t want cosmetic change, but thats all Obama offers. Its too late
to manipulate voters, they can smell it coming…..

The only thing that even has a chance of working is to say Obama is the lessor of
two evils. Which is quite a distance from last time, that’s how far we have come.
And things are much worse now than the last election. For many voters Mr. Obama
doesn’t look like the lesser of two evils. Mr. Paul doesn’t look that bad in
comparison anymore.

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By mrfreeze, December 23, 2011 at 10:10 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie - Thanks for that!

Yes, for now Mr. Paul is an irritating distraction. The likely candidate will be Mitt Romney who (upon closer examination) will be revealed as yet another John Birch follower (all Mormons kiss John Birch’s ass…..)

What I really wish is that TD would have more in-depth articles about real issues, such as revealing how the financial markets continue to engage in the same high-risk games, or how to fix our tax system or, indeed, more substantitive discussions about how to reform education, the military, etc…

The presidential “horserace” was already annoying in Jan., 2008….........it started the day after Obama was elected and is truly annoying at this point.

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By JoeSchmoe, December 23, 2011 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

Is NationalMeno.com where writers (not particularly THOUGHTFUL writers but ‘writers’ nonetheless) regularly offer inflammatory headlines with zero substantiation?  We need a break here Joe Conason!  We’re being handed one president after another that “leads” the corporation, I mean, leads the country to solve its problems by bullying and/or pillaging smaller, weaker countries one after another, after another, again and again and again - like some kind of a serial, Catholic child-abuser.  (I’m a recovering Catholic here, so I get to say such things.)  What kind of “bad old days” would you like us to return to Joe?  Eh?!  Ok, ok, never mind that. 

But if you’re going to be the one to dig up the dirt to derail the Ron Paul juggernaut, great!  But Joe, baby, we need some facts here, something we can sink our teeth into.  Think ‘meat & potatoes’, Joe.  ‘MEAT’ Joe!  M-m.  You’re gonna hafta dig a little deeper than criticizing Ron Paul just because some racist asshole put what may’ve been 10 cents in Ron Paul’s cup or because some Facebook blogger identifies with Ron Paul.  There’re a lot of crazy muther fuckers out here who still have to have SOME relation to reality!  Ron Paul would be president of ALL Americans, racist or not.  Does that make him a racist by association?  No.  Ron Paul makes sense even to racists, Joe.  Ron Paul makes sense even to Nazi-worshipping skinheads in the Stormfront movement.  Nazi-worshipping skinheads need love too, Joe!  Ron Paul makes sense to everybody Joe!  Get used to it!!  It’s called “reality” and it’s coming your way, look out!  Assuming Ron Paul does, as you write, “disdain the 20th century”, did it ever occur to you, Joe, that that isn’t a terribly persuasive argument for voting against the guy, esp in light of the fact that THIS IS THE 21st CENTURY!?  C’mon Joe, get with the program.  Get with the re-LOVE-erlution!  It’s ok Joe, you’ll get used t’ it.  C’mon.

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