“This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.”

nicer way of saying they should be wiped away!

You are all right, it takes two to dance and many more to pay for the arrangements.

vector——- whether or not Ahmedinejad said ” should be wiped off” or “should
disappear” or anything else merely similar, it’s still pretty much the same shit.

and he’s said worse

“If Washington can find a basis of reasonable accommodation with a bizarrely erratic
and paranoid North Korea, - - .”  article

Reviewing the history and deceit that led to the “Korean War,” and the resulting dividing
line, perhaps the usage of the words bizarre and paranoid bears explanation, when
referring to the leadership of North Korea. 

Increasingly, after the Dulles brothers began to move the Dr. Werner von Braun crew
from Peenemuende, Germany, and the NAZI HQ from Berlin to D.C., S.C., AL and Texas
with Operation Paper Clip and re-iterations until 1950, leadership of the USA changed. 
The NAZI-originated CIA, with GHWBushSr as furtive CEO, and its 3rd world destruction,
has consistently and increasingly displayed the motto of the israeli MOSSAD, instead of
the theme of the U.S. Constitution.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9VxnCBD9W4

The israeli MOSSAD motto, “By way of deception, thou shalt do war,” more accurately
represents the George H. W. Bush Sr., CIA leadership and his world-wide deception
programs, as poignantly demonstrated by Mr. Fish´s “cartoon”
http://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/10/27/mr-fish-boo-hoo/
Topped off by the destruction of Lybia and Muammar Al Gadhaffi, NATO forces led by
the almost Frenchman, Sarkozy.  Ms. Susan Lindau, former operative of the CIA who
was liaison between the CIA and Gadhaffi, explains the motive of GHWBushSr in the
destruction of Gadhaffi. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHVlU2jHT70&feature=related

Currently, while the Israeli MOSSAD conducts an organized defamation campaign
against Dr. Ron Paul and his supporters, they try to suppress the fact that Israel
possesses 400 nuclear weapons and two nuclear reactors.  Since the deceitful ben-
Gurion in the 1960s, Israeli leadership has consistently, adamantly refused to be
inspected by the International Atomic Energy Agency.  Yet, North Korean officials have
submitted to inspection.  Which action refocuses the application of the words, 
“bizarrely erratic and paranoid”.  While these words do not apply to North Korean
leadership, it is rather obvious to whom they do apply.

balkas—- sometimes your comments about Jews cross over into showing more
about the barf in your head than about Jews.

where the hell were you raised?

This, by my appraisal, is Robert Scheer’s most important article to date.

I personally do not condemn all Israelis; there are Israelis every bit as enlightened as Mr. Scheer.

Incidentally, Robert Scheer’s mother was a Jew married to a protestant native of Germany. Blanket condemnations smack of bigotry and should be guarded against in order to facilitate better understandings, as Scheer is attempting to do here.

re: ‘jews’ [ok, ashkenazim: the mass of nonshemitic peoples, which spread from caspian sea and
caucasus thruout europe and americas] we need to consider ONLY two hypotheses that would
serve to explain their money-making ability and thus to control all kinds of crooks to keep us
enserfed:
god is unfair in giving them such abilities to control us to the degree that they actually do or
ashkenazic peoples are evil.
and guess which premise i am choosing?
this analyses also pertains to all people who become 3, 4, 5, 20, hundred, thousand times richer
than most people.
and if we allow this, then we deserve our servitude. so wake up and stop being a nerd! thanks

D.R.Zing:  Quoting you:  “two factors made the dropping of the bombs politically expedient for the politicians and strategists of the 1950s: 
*  The vast improvement in conventional weapons,
which made conventional warfare butchery.
*  The insane, suicidal, imperious attitude of the
Japanese at the time.”
  What about:  1. The known desire to “see what would happen?”
          2. The “insane, suicidal, imperious” attitude of the Americans at the time? (Japanese-American evacuation; wild-eyed fear of Communism;
pride in having “split the atom etc.”? World leader in atomic research, etc.? Scorn for “the yellow peril” and war hysteria, plus profits from gearing up for more war (Lockheed, Northrup et al.?)
  Another point:  I strongly doubt that the American decision-makers of the time cared a hoot about “the butchery of conventional warfare.”  After all, they must have known the aftereffects of tests at Bikini Atoll. (I forget the details, but I worked for a time with a couple A-bomb scientists who from the beginning pleaded that their experiments NOT be used to make bombs—to utterly no avail.)
  My point:  Not that the Japanese weren’t also war-crazed. They were.  I had a friend who, upon returning to Japan from study here just as the war began, was imprisoned because he attempted to tell the Japanese government that the U.S. was far too wealthy, too big, and far better prepared with weaponry, than Japan (though he knew nothing about the development of the A-bomb). Governments never want to know the truth, it seems. Their knee-jerk impulse is to “kill the messenger.”

“Iran’s leaders calling for the destruction of Israel and that it should be wiped off the map is just aggravating that military state’s paranoia further to the point of hysteria and nuclear annihilation. “

Jimnp72: statements above and below imply that Iran is the aggressor even as the Massod murderers Iranian citizens (Scientist)on the home soil. 

“Iran needs to grow up and join the 21st century-make peace with Israel and learn to get along despite your differences.
Yeah, that’s happening. “

“The firestorm started when Nazila Fathi, then the Tehran correspondent of The New York Times, reported a story almost six years ago that was headlined: “Wipe Israel ‘off the map’ Iranian says.” The article attributed newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s remarks to a report by the ISNA press agency.

The article sparked outrage around the globe, with then-President George W. Bush and other world leaders condemning Ahmadinejad’s statement. The original New York Times article noted that Ahmadinejad said he was quoting Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Islamic revolution, but that aspect was largely overlooked.

Then, specialists such as Juan Cole of the University of Michigan and Arash Norouzi of the Mossadegh Project pointed out that the original statement in Persian did not say that Israel should be wiped from the map, but instead that it would collapse.

Cole said this week that in the 1980s Khomeini gave a speech in which he said in Persian “Een rezhim-i eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az sahneh-i ruzgar mahv shaved.” This means, “This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time.” But then anonymous wire service translators rendered Khomeini as saying that Israel “must be wiped off the face of the map,” which Cole and Nourouzi say is inaccurate.

Ahmadinejad slightly misquoted Khomeini, substituting “safheh-i ruzgar,” or “page of time” for “sahneh-i ruzgar” or “arena of time.” But in any case, the old translation was dug up and used again by the Iranian news agency, Cole says. In fact, that’s how it was presented for years on Ahmadinejad’s English-language Web site, as the Times noted in a somewhat defensive article on the translation debate. “

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/did-ahmadinejad-really-say-israel-should-be-wiped-off-the-map/2011/10/04/gIQABJIKML_blog.html

It would seem that Ahmadinejad did not say that “Israel should be wiped off the map”, he was quoting Khomeini who was mistranslated.

To sum up; Israel’s “feelings” were hurt by something Ahmadinejad did not say, so now their Massod is in Iran murdering Iranian citizens, but Jimnp72, and Robert thinks Iran should “take it down a notch?”

vec—-“Mad Man”; quite the statement Robert. Is he any madder than say the
current “Pope” who at age 16 joined the “Hitler Youth”?——

yeah, he’s quite a bit more fucked-up than a teenager who joins a nazi-youth
group….

he’s all grown up and ordering murders in iran and abetting them elsewhere.

RS:
“korean leaders bizarre and paranoid”, scheer could have included in that club All socialists/gays/communists of germany
‘33-45, apaches, lakotahs, pequots, hiroshimans, salish, mohawks, maoris, palestinians, cubans, nicaraguans, vietnamese,
maoris, etc., but he ‘wisely’ stopped at koreans.
my goddevil, even i am bizarro-paranoid, but i am ‘wisely’ or otherwise stopping at that.
and aren’t palestinian just about most paranoid and bizarre people on earth?
that is, in view of the ‘fact’ that both sephardo-mizraho-ashkenazic conglomeration of peoples and most christians are
about greatest ever peacniks, justice lovers, nobles, etc., and, to boot, actually even read god’s mind?

obviously, for mosheists and followers of yehudi [jesus] it was never enough just to believe in god [obviously, my dear any
fool can do that—no thinking needed], one had to be able to read god’s mind—which is by far more important than just
belief in god.
btw, hasn’t nato slain about 1million of the darkies or lesser-valued people in korea? and isn’t even nato paranoid about
koreans wanting to pay back nato for its crimes and for yet another colonial war?

yes, i agree, it is bizarre kissing kim jong il-un’s hand, but isn’t as bizarre or even more so, to kiss a cross, throw a-bombs
on people, wipe out tasmanians, expel 800k palestinians in ‘48, 100 billionaires ruling 310k people, hirohito/jesus being
gods, et?
i tell you, these MSM columnists appear even more bizarre than koreans! soon to surpass in that endeavor even jesus!

If you smoke the chances are pretty good you will get lung cancer. If you spend a century oppressing democracy and supporting despotic tin-pots in a region, the chances are pretty good you will get fundamentalist theocracies—or worse. It is funny to hear Hillary and Co suddenly start screaming about abuses by our “friends” who have become casualties of the Arab Spring—funny if it weren’t so hypocritical and tragic. We need to get one thing straight: all we care about in Iran(as in Iraq before it)is regime change and our having an administration we can control. The Iranian nuclear weapons scare reminds me of the WMD lies our leaders told us in Iraq. They lie and after it’s too late and a country lies in ruins they say, “Never mind—we meant something else—let’s just move on now (without accountability or responsibility).” When will the Amerikan public learn our leaders can’t have their yellowcake and eat it too?

good rant vector 56! but a bit off topic?

jimnp72 i was watching the “world at war “with a german speaking friend, and as hitler was ranting , we were reading the subtitles of the speach he said to me , thats not what he’s saying. ever since i’v been suspicious about what hated foreign leaders are really saying. the corporate media has a strong financial interest in ginning up the dispute with iran. g.e. for example owns nbc and is a huge weapons manufacturer. so it may not be iran that needs to grow up.

Related to this discussion is this article:

SYRIA: A WITCH’S BREW – ON THE ROAD TO TEHRAN

http://ray032.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/syria-a-witchs-brew-on-the-road-to-tehran/

R. Scheer writes:

“If Washington can find a basis of reasonable accommodation with a bizarrely erratic and paranoid North Korea, .....”

If the new leader of N. Korea manages to play by the rules dictated by the members of the “bizarrely erratic and paranoid” nuclear weapons club, his country will get food, money, and, perhaps, even its own nuclear weapons in the future.

It is useless to talk about who should or shouldn’t have nuclear weapons. Only those who propose full international nuclear disarmament have something worthwhile to say.

I dont like anything about the Israelis’, either. but they are not going anywhere. Iran’s leaders calling for the destruction of Israel and that it should be wiped off the map is just aggravating that military state’s paranoia further to the point of hysteria and nuclear annihilation. Real clever of Iran’s leaders

Iran needs to grow up and join the 21st century-make peace with Israel and learn to get along despite your differences.
Yeah, that’s happening.

U.S. “leaders” are petrified that Iran will start trading with Russia and China in other than the petrodollar. Iran’s nuclear program is just an excuse.

wrong Ayatollah, Scheer,  It was the last one who was a mad man. this one is just
a jerk.

“If Washington can find a basis of reasonable
accommodation with a bizarrely erratic and paranoid
North Korea, serious negotiations with Iran should be
eminently possible.”  How true.  And the cause of it
not happening: AIPAC and Israel.

‘THEY have nukes’ Hans Buehler told me in one of our several phone conversations in 1994/5.

http://home.comcast.net/~bpayne37/theinvestigation/swissradio/swissradio.mp3

good article as usual, mr. scheer.  if you believe in the concept of national sovereignty of nations then it follows that all nations can have nukes. the main upside to the world trade hedgemony of the u.s.and the rest of the west, was that it greatly reduced the push for sovereignty, but that now appears to be on an ebb.

“Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme theocratic ruler of Iran, is a dangerous madman never to be trusted with a nuclear weapon.”

“Mad Man”; quite the statement Robert. Is he any madder than say the current “Pope” who at age 16 joined the “Hitler Youth”?  Yes, Pope Benedict XVI was a NAZI! I am not talking some want-to-be Skin-Head, this guy was a real freaking NAZI.

That being said, why are the “chicken-hawk” Israelis and their counterparts here (AIPAC) are not all over this guy like say, white on rice?  Could it be that the Catholic church would crush them like a bug?  Kinda says something about their choice of targets.  Bullies usually “terrorize” the weak; the people of the Middle East had nothing to do with the Holocaust, yet they suffer for the sins of the Germans daily.  Many here speak of “turning Iran into an Ash tray” killing every man woman and child in the country (another Holocaust). Feels good to boast of wiping out people we don’t like?

yes, even some godologists get it right at one time or another. how about
mohammed, jesus, moses? did they get s’mthing right? probably, probably, but
they got lots of it wrong also!
eg, jesus shld have never allowed his followers to spread the lies that jesus walked
on water, fed multitudes by just one fish and one loaf of bread and that he was the
son of god.
just these obvious lies alone proved that christianity was a fake ideology and
regardless whether it had been only jesus’ disciples and priests who spread these
lies.
but when would ayatollah ban stoning humans to death regardless what they did
or been accused of doing? thanks, bozhidar b, planet earth [still on it, sorry to say]

I am much more worried about the continued use of Nuclear reactors for the
production of energy than nuclear weapons.

Currently in Japan we have an ongoing nuclear accident, that is unresolved. This
catastrophe is much worse then Chernobyl, and getting worse each day. Currently
another reactor is heading toward criticality, and there is no way to stop it. There
is a very real possibility that 38 million people in the Tokyo area will have to be
evacuated.

We as a species currently do not know what to do to stop this catastrophe or clean
up the results. The contamination is spreading into the Pacific Ocean, and
dangerously elevating radiation counts in the Northern Hemisphere, contaminating
the biosphere.

Then there are the hundreds of nuclear reactors in the United States, many of
them aging, that depend on outdated technology to keep the reactor cool. Much
like Japan they depend on diesel or gasoline run generators in an emergency that
only have a week of fuel, in case of a power outage. Like Japan, this would be
ineffective in the event of a large earth quake on the East Coast or in California.
Potentially creating, dozens if not hundreds of Fukishima’s.

Yes, the Ayatollah, is a mad man, but only because he doesn’t share the madness
we subscribe to.

The use of nuclear anything should be abandoned by every nation on the face of
this earth. If we don’t we will eventually commit suicide as a species. The only
difference, will be if its a slow death, or a quick one during a nuclear war.

Each day, the corporate controlled media tries it’s best to justify war, while almost
completely ignoring the horrible nuclear tragedy that’s enfolding in Japan.
Ignoring the elevated Cesium levels in food, instead informing the public on how
to protect itself.

Couple nits and a kudo:

Truman may have ordered it, but his order was more of
a wriggling acquiescence than it was an
authoritative command. He had been vice-president for
only about—what?—three months when Roosevelt
died.  The bombs were a done deal. Truman was a weak
president at the time. He had to sign off. It was an
order executed by Roosevelt from the grave. 

Kudos for mentioning the recent sale of arms to Saudi
Arabia because two factors made the dropping of the
bombs politically expedient for the politicians and
strategists of the 1950s: 

*  The vast improvement in conventional weapons,
which made conventional warfare butchery.

*  The insane, suicidal, imperious attitude of the
Japanese at the time.   

Those two factors are alive and well, in different
forms and different shapes, all over the world today. 
We are at higher risk than at any other time in our
history. 

It will all be fine in the long run. But right now is
not so great.

By Ray Joseph Cormier, March 1 at 5:48 am

“As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament.”

Progressives are a strong 25% of the US adult population. How many representatives do we have in Congress promoting our agenda? Kucinich, for the most part. Even he has to pull punches. Look what happened to Cynthia McKinney.

Yes it is an election year and the saber rattling (over Iran , this time ) is an
inevitable fart that must occur to signal the height of insanity during the
machismo dance of the dullards we call our election process ! But come on
people, must we encourage the “media” to continue the hype till it completes
the cycle fading into dusty memory ?  Yes Robert Scheer writes well, but is there
nothing else upon which he can focus, besides our periodic bellicosity ?
      No , you cannot teach a pig to sing, but if you place the images of our
REAL problems before them (income disparity, wealth distribution gaps,
Corporate Personhood ) they may equate the sad pictures with reality and see
themselves in the quagmire !  It is not possible that they come to realize their
plight if the media keeps playing the slight of hand games that always meet the
approval of the parties vying for advantage ! I feel there is enough awareness
among the few innovator piggies to see what really has them by the tail, that if
encouraged they will explain it to the slower members of the herd and voting
against their own best interests could become a thing of the past ! So Mr.
Scheer,  A dose of reality, please ?

If one looks at the Spirit of the letter, the ancient Biblical term “abomination” takes on a new reality in our Times.

abomination = A-bomb-i-nation

And as to the article itself—Thanks for another excellent piece, Mr. Scheer.

About this statement:

“If Washington can find a basis of reasonable accommodation with a bizarrely erratic and paranoid North Korea, serious negotiations with Iran should be eminently possible.”

Yes, serious negotiations with Iran SHOULD be possible but, unlike North Korea, Iran has oil. The big oil companies think their profits will go up if Iran’s oil is no longer available on the market, and the big oil companies have much more to say about US foreign policy and whether or not we will go to war than US citizens.

I found this interesting report from the BBC

Although Iran and Israel are bitter enemies, few know that Iran is home to the largest number of Jews anywhere in the Middle East outside Israel.

About 25,000 Jews live in Iran and most are determined to remain no matter what the pressures - as proud of their Iranian culture as of their Jewish roots.

It is dawn in the Yusufabad synagogue in Tehran and Iranian Jews bring out the Torah and read the ancient text before making their way to work.

It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.

“Because of our long history here we are tolerated,” says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.

He says the father of Iran’s revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.

As a result Jews have one representative in the Iranian parliament.

“Imam Khomeini made a distinction between Jews and Zionists and he supported us,” says Mr Hammami.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

The Western media will never report on this distinction made by Khomeini himself even though every UN resolution and US policy calls on Israel to cease Zionist settlement expansion in the conquered territories.

An articulate and erudite commentary Mr. Scheer. There is a need for a
follow up as to whom is beating the drums for more wars on the Islamic
nations of the ME.

I’m with NZDoug.

The graphic of the flag and Statue of Liberty, if you remove the person, is the perfect representation of what the United States has brought to so much of the world.

Wish I had a copy to use for posters and t-shirts, etc.

Reading the comments in The Jerusalem Post, it boggles my mind to see an increasing number of commentators advocating a nuclear 1st strike on Iran. This is insanity!

Anyone with an open mind devoid of all bias will see the world could be at the threshold of the unthinkable WWIII/Armageddon.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (more furiously active in Judaism, Christianity & Islam)
For they are the spirits of DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (Pope, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Rich minority, CEOs) and of the whole world, (the rest of us) to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold, I come as a thief. ( when it is least expected)
Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
Revelation 16

Armageddon is derived from Har Megiddo located in Palestine since the Revelation was given 2000 years ago until 1948 but now in Israel.

There is no denying nuclear armed Israel is a recreation of the Bible. The Biblical prophecy of Armageddon would not be possible until now.

“[S]o far I have only described what is already obviously going on. Add to this the likelihood that Iran is closer to achieving membership in the atomic weapon club. They’ve been spinning their centrifuges all year and nobody has done anything about it. My guess is that neither the US nor Israel will attempt to take out their facilities in the year ahead. If Iran used a nuclear device against Israel, or anybody else, they would be asking to become, in turn, the world’s largest ashtray. ...

James Howard Kunstler

EmileZ, I describe the Israel-US relationship as being like a parasite (the former) and its host (the latter) ...

With the recent Palestinian statehood vote in the U.N, the growing BDS movement, the Freedom Flotillas to Gaza, the Goldstone Report, Tzipi Livni’s cancelled trip to the UK for fear of being arrested by the ICC for war crimes, the fall of Mubarak in Egypt…

It is no wonder that some in Israel feel the need to “leak” stories the a receptive US media and loudly threaten to attack Iran who wants to “wipe them off the face of the earth” with their sinister non-existent nuclear weapons even though if they did they would certainly be incinerated within the hour.

It is one way to deflect attention from the plight of the Palestinians and to stay “legitimate”, which is of great concern to them.

Of course the US is happy to oblige them, being best friends forever, or partners in crime, or however you want to describe our close relationship.

I want the T SHIRT!!!