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Posted on Mar 7, 2011

By Eugene Robinson

Rep. Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, is about to convene hearings whose premise offends our nation’s founding ideals and whose targets are law-abiding members of a religious minority. King has decided to investigate Islam.

A Republican from Long Island in his 10th term, King seems untroubled that the freedoms of religion and association are guaranteed by the Constitution. His public exercise in Islamophobia, scheduled to begin Thursday, can do no good—and much harm.

The legitimate-sounding goal of this exercise, King explained Sunday on CNN, is to investigate “self-radicalization going on within the Muslim community” and the threat of homegrown Islamic terrorism. Who doesn’t want to uncover al-Qaida sleeper cells? Who doesn’t want to do everything that is possible—and legal—to prevent terrorist attacks?

But King further alleges that Muslim Americans have failed to demonstrate “sufficient cooperation” with law enforcement in uncovering potential terrorist plots. With this libel, King casts doubt on the loyalties of millions of Americans solely because of their faith. This is religious persecution—and it’s un-American and wrong.

King says he only wants to root out potential terrorists and bears no animus toward the vast majority of Muslim Americans. But he once complained that “unfortunately, we have too many mosques in this country,” and on another occasion offered the ludicrous opinion that “80 to 85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists.” His claim to be free of anti-Muslim bias lacks credibility.

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The irony is that it would be perfectly appropriate for King and his committee to look into any and all potential sources of domestic terrorism, emphasis on any and all. Before the 9/11 attacks, people seem to forget, the deadliest single act of terrorism on U.S. soil had been perpetrated by a right-wing loser named Timothy McVeigh—who was not, as it happened, a follower of Islam. For more than a century, the most remorseless and violent terrorist organization in the nation was the Ku Klux Klan. Watchdogs such as the Southern Poverty Law Center would be happy to share with King voluminous information about heavily armed militia groups out in the backwoods, training for some imagined Armageddon.

But the fact is that the 9/11 atrocities were indeed committed by men who espoused a version of Islam—one that the vast majority of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims reject as warped and blasphemous. It’s also true that al-Qaida and its affiliates continue to mount attacks against the United States and the West, and that jihadist ideology is a deadly weapon.

Some conservatives make a frank argument for ethnic and religious profiling as an anti-terrorism tool. They scoff that failing to single out Muslims for extra scrutiny is nothing but political correctness.

These self-styled “realists” are stoking irrational fears while ignoring rational ones. King offers no support for his insinuation that Muslim Americans are giving aid and comfort to terrorists; to the contrary, Muslim clerics and worshipers in this country have been vocal in their rejection of jihadist rhetoric and violence. And unless King believes Muslims are clairvoyant, why would he expect them to be any better than Christians, Jews or anyone else in identifying lone-wolf gunmen or bombers whose private torment becomes obvious only in retrospect?

Security hearings that focus exclusively on Muslim Americans serve only to amplify the rumblings of Islamophobia that seem to become louder and crazier by the day.

Bad enough is the ridiculous controversy over the proposed Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan that became known as the “Ground Zero Mosque.” This episode taught Muslim Americans that even a mainstream cleric, specifically bent on building an institution for interfaith outreach and understanding, is not welcome to enjoy the nation’s guarantee of religious freedom.

Worse is all the ugly noise—it doesn’t qualify as debate—about the imagined encroachment of Islamic Shariah law. As a threat to the American way of life, the chance that our justice system would be taken over by “creeping” Shariah is less likely than the emergence of Godzilla from New York Harbor. Yet state legislatures are taking up actual legislation to guard against this imaginary Islamic threat.

The narrative that al-Qaeda uses to recruit suicide bombers is that the United States and the West are not fighting terrorism but trying to destroy Islam. Peter King, with his little hearings, is about to make it harder to refute the jihadists’ big lie.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2011, Washington Post Writers Group


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By JDmysticDJ, July 25, 2011 at 3:38 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man has been guilty of falsehoods and distortions many times here on truthdig, he has long been a supporter of destructive U.S. policies that have resulted in the deaths of millions and human suffering incalculable. He is a constant critic of all efforts to end these insanities; his tactic is to point to the extremes of Islamic thought and behavior and to imply that these extremes are typical of all Muslims. He exaggerates the Muslim threat at every opportunity and offers these exaggerations as a justification and rationale for continuing the death and destruction.

The influence of Christian Dominionists, and powerful Jewish organizations on our political process is real, the idea that Muslim Extremists have any ability to influence our politics in favor of Muslim extremism is absurd beyond belief, and the product anti-Muslim lunatics, or those who reach for any rationale for continuing the cruel folly.

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By AAMFO, March 14, 2011 at 5:47 pm Link to this comment

These hearings in the congress are cheap tricks to be in the news and to gain publicity.
Deep down each and every one of them knows it is BS.
’ More people died of Dog bites last year in the United States than terrorism ‘.

Get out of their countries - Do not support Israel blindly - all these terror threats will be history.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 14, 2011 at 9:11 am Link to this comment

gerard,

It seems every time I ask a pertinent question concerning your view of the world you bolt.

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The extremism I wrote of is not my opinion. They are the opinions of each of the men I mentioned.

Are you taken aback to learn of their opinions on Islam?  Are those opinions not extreme?

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By reynolds, March 12, 2011 at 11:51 am Link to this comment

maroon, like bugs bunny says; what a maroon. is it any
wonder a person might perceive you as a cartoon
character?
my apologies to warner bros.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 12, 2011 at 1:23 am Link to this comment

reynolds,

Piqued, of course. I’m such a moron.

Thank you.

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By reynolds, March 12, 2011 at 12:56 am Link to this comment

it’s piqued, piqued to anger. maroon.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 12, 2011 at 12:13 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ,

Very good. I’m somewhat flattered that you took the time. In fact, I’m proud of those honest observations.

Clearly you are driven to complete distraction that I am different from you. That I do not think as you do. You spent weeks arguing your point and you did not budge. I recall you were peaked to anger in your first response to something I wrote and you intermediately went into a litany of personal insults because we had different ways of viewing the world. You were completely intolerant from the beginning.

Now if you would be so kind to point out where I argue that the Tea Party is free from racism, and that Obama and the Left are the actual racists.

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By ardee, March 11, 2011 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, March 12 at 1:13 am

I applaud this post fervently and thank you for your service to truth, decency and dignity in exposing this junior Josef Goebbels for what he really is, a liar, a bigot and a throwback.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 11, 2011 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment

By Go Right Young Man, March 11 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, - “GRYMie argues that the Tea Party is free from racism, and that Obama and the Left are the actual racists.”

“Here’s the thing. Not even once have I said or written any such thing. Not once. But that doesn’t prevent you from hearing it.”

The thing is, the following statements were made by GRYMie, he made such statements many more times than once, but these should suffice. Do my eyes and ears deceive me? Am I “hearing” [sic] what I’m seeing, or are my lying (Disengenuous?) eyes deceiving me.

GRYMie has written:

“Why the escalation of racial tension in the supposedly post-racial age of Obama?”

“First, Obama’s reputation as a racial healer was largely the creation of the media. In fact, the Obama campaign had a number of racially polarizing incidents that probably would have disqualified any other presidential candidate of the past 30 years.”

“His two-decade apprenticeship at Trinity United Church of Christ under the racist and anti-Semitic Rev. Jeremiah Wright has never been adequately explained. Obama indulged in racial stereotyping himself when he wrote off the white lower-middle class of Pennsylvania as clueless zealots clinging to their guns, religion, and xenophobia.”

“Recently, Obama appealed to voters along exclusionary race and gender lines — not traditional political allegiances — when he called upon “the young people, African-Americans, Latinos and women, who powered our victory in 2008.” - One can easily imagine the outrage and cries of racism had the previous president called on “young people, European-Americans, and women to further his agenda.”

GRYMie will attempt to refute his own words with irrelevant semantics. Its obfuscation, GRYMie has focused his comment in total on this one aspect, I didn’t say the Tea Party had no racism, I said the Obama and the Left were racist. Don’t look here, look over there. GRYMie’s often repeated statement and method of obfuscation is, “everybody’s evil, not just the Right, it’s human nature,” but GRYMie fails to distinguish between evil philosophy, and basic, far less tragic, human failings, but GRYMie goes beyond that, he invents human failings where there are no human failings, or where human failings are negligible. GRYMie, regardless of his claims to superior civility, and rational thought, possesses a fascist mentality. He and his ilk are essentially sociopathic. The Right, has been, and continues to be a detriment to humanity, and anyone who possesses an understanding of social justice, and history, should be able to identify GRYMie and his ilk.

Poor GRYMie, his philosophy, and political perspective, make him evil, but he’s too psychologically damaged, stubborn, and stupid, to see it.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 11, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

From the Muslim Public Affairs Council;

Since 2001—classified as terrorist acts in USA,

45 by Muslims

80 by others (63 by anti-gov’t/anti-tax, the rest a mixture of white Christian supremacists.)

Muslim-American arrests (M-A) Triangle Group For
Terrorist & Homeland Security;

27% M-A arrests based on US gov’t investigations alone.

30% Based upon tips from the M-A community

The problem with this hearing is that it was centered on the USA and only concerning Muslim based extremists. No one else like the ones who murdered Dr. Tiller for instance and bomb abortion clinics. A definite clear-and-present-danger.

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By reynolds, March 11, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

gfys reminds me of dickens’ miss havisham; pulling
strings, weaving webs, manipulating every creature in
it’s tangle without ever leaving it’s throne and to no
good end.
permit me to push your chair a little closer to the
fire.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 11, 2011 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

GRYMie is trying for the moral high ground here, and trying to convince us that he’s not all that bad. GRYMie says that Hannity is a bigot, and that he would not vote for Sarah Palin. Oh really? Is it possible that he voted for Joe Biden in the 2008 Presidential election? If GRYMie thinks Hannity is a bigot and Sarah Palin is not worthy of a vote, then we have two things, and only two things, in common, but if GRYMie is implying that he doesn’t parrot Fox News’ bigoted talking points then he is a liar, (I’m tired of writing the word disingenuous, it’s disingenuous to use the word disingenuous when you mean liar, and it’s also a little like putting on airs.) I’ll bear witness to the fact that GRYMie has attempted to justify clear acts of barbarism and inhuman cruelty. If GRYMie thinks me unkind for detesting him, then the previous sentence should give him a clue as to why I find him so detestable. I spent weeks in the not too distant past, civilly (for the most part,) discussing the results of George Bush’s foreign policy, and the costs of that policy, but GRYMie never gave an inch, and continued to argue that Bush’s policies were justified, regardless of costs, both human and financial, and that Bush was a person of good, even noble, character.  I also pointed out the undeniable historical atrocities and crimes committed by U.S. political leaders over the last two and a half centuries, but GRYMie remains unmoved, and continues to argue that the U.S. has not done, and can not do, any wrong. GRYMie comes down on the side of far-right policies, initiatives, and actions in every instance, yet he claims to be not at all extreme, and that he is somehow more rational and reasonable than people from the Left. Along with his tautological (screw that I mean repetitive,) obfuscation (Ignoring the substance of the issue at hand, and bringing up false equivalencies) his arrogance and deluded smug attitude is more than a little annoying. I wonder if his interactions with people in his personal life (If he has one) are governed by the same kind of attitude.

GRYMie says that criticizing Peetie ( calling him Peetie is childish, but I do derive some childish pleasure from doing so) the IRA terrorist sympathizer, and his hearings are, “... politically motivated nonsense.” Nonsense is far too weak a word to apply to these hearings, but these hearings are politically motivated, and they are solely intended to justify tragic policies, just as Senator Joe McCarthy’s hearings were politically motivated, and intended to demonize the left, and silence political debate. McCarthy was exposed to be a cruel mean spirited fool, but the fear he spread was ingrained in some, and contributed greatly to destructive foreign policy initiatives, and fear and distrust in the U.S. He died from alcoholism before he reached his 50th birthday. A sad and tragic man, whose number one hatchet man, Roy Coen, died later from aids.

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By Blackspeare, March 11, 2011 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

I watched the hearing——that was it half a day???!!!  The HUAC went on for years——-that just shows commies were considered more dangerous than Islamic terrorists!  And when you think about it, it makes sense.  1940’s Communism struck at the heart of Capitalism——very scary to Big Business!  What can Jihadists do——not much that means anything to the business of the USA.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 11, 2011 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, - “GRYMie argues that the Tea Party is free from racism, and that Obama and the Left are the actual racists.”

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Here’s the thing. Not even once have I said or written any such thing. Not once. But that doesn’t prevent you from hearing it.

What I have written, hundreds of times on this site, is that humans are human everywhere.  The same pathology found in one group will be found in another. Only bigots believe otherwise.

Your attempts to paint me as another of your cartoon Goblins won’t work.

Learn to calm yourself and listen.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 11, 2011 at 11:03 am Link to this comment

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A witch hunt is a witch hunt, when King says that 85% of the Mosques in the U.S. are teaching Muslim extremism, that is a witch hunt. It was recently revealed that 40% of the extremist threats that have been exposed in the U.S. were exposed by American Muslims. King is attempting to portray American Muslims in the worst possible light, and by doing so discredit the Left, and the Left’s advocacy for tolerance. I firmly believe that King will fail in this endeavor, and that he will be unable to contaminate the American people, but that these hearings will increase the tension, and will further aggravate those inclined to bigotry. Yesterday L.A. Sheriff Baca testified at Kings hearing regarding the great, and constructive, relationship he has developed with the Muslim community. We need more Sheriff Bacas, and fewer Peter Kings in this country.

Sarah Palin had that vacuous dear in the headlights look, when she found herself in the middle of the political ring, but she quickly took her gloves off and began flailing away with all her might. Apparently GRYMie believes that that the Left is cruel, and unfair, for criticizing Sarah Palin and exposing her for whom she is. In my opinion, people like Sarah Palin are dangerous, and allowing them to spew their bile without opposition is foolish. Margaret Thatcher, Immelda Marcos, and Evita are a few names that come to mind. The skeletons in Sarah’s closet would be sufficient to supply many a Medical School. Sarah Palin is the hard edged, mean spirited, darling of the Tea Party, but criticizing her is off limits? No! Its not just off limits, it’s bigotry according to GRYMie.

GRYMie argues that the Tea Party is free from racism, and that Obama and the Left are the actual racists. GRYMie is nuts! GRYMie is very committed to, and persistent in his criticism ot the Left. GRYMie inserts himself into a left-wing website, and arrogantly and smugly sets about attempting to show the Left the error of their ways. He must be a sado-masochist; he must be having a lot of fun. GRYMie is like is like a festering disease that must be treated, even if that treatment is bothersome and time consuming.

Buried somewhere deep in GRYMie’s psyche must be the realization that he has been wrong for all of his life, but he, oh so desperately, wants to be right.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 11, 2011 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

gerard,

I have read nearly every edict, teaching tool and opinion of Zawahiri, Rahman and bin Laden.  I’ve read at least a dozen (hundreds of pages) authored by Nasrallah.

I’ve also read the statements of Nosair and Rahman, along with their respective transcripts, in Federal Court.

You must try and understand. The extremism I wrote of is not my opinion. They are the opinions of each of the men I mentioned.

Are you taken aback to learn of their opinions on Islam?  Are those opinions not extreme?

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If you can direct me toward the “blackballing” and the “pointing out” of individual extremists during these hearings I would be glad to look at it. I have seen none of that.

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Manchild,

We’ve been through this at least four times of late.  It’s not magic. It’s not a neat trick.

After roughly a year of omitting your entries from my newsreader, I am now using a new computer.  The Newsreader, while currently loaded on the new computer, is not yet configured past its default settings.

For the fifth time; YOU ARE NOT CURRENTLY OMITTED FROM MY SIGHT.

Now it’s time for you to explain. I have explained this to you several times in the past couple of weeks. So, are you lying now, or are you too simple to understand what and how a newsreader operates?

I can guess your reply. “GRYM is lying.  He’s LYING, HE’S LYING, HE’S LYING!!”

Far Too Emotional.

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By gerard, March 11, 2011 at 1:58 am Link to this comment

GRYM:  You say you got your information directly from these characters you mention.  Did you read their writings, talk to them, or what?  You sound like you had direct contact with them.
  As to Kerry, Feinstein or whoever:  Any hearings that go after an entire ethnic, religious or political minority with the purpose of raising fear and suspicion and blackballing thousands of people in the guise of hunting for a few to prosecute is nothing but scare-mongering, divisive, destructive and unjust. In addition, it quite probabliy causes much more harm than good.  It is political exploitation for the benefit of somebody who wants to make points by rousiong suspicion of a minority by the majority.
  Your caveats that you “have real doubts about these hearings” and that the hearing are “not designed to pick out extremists” would make me laugh if they weren’t so devious, self-righteous and wrong-headed.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 11:55 pm Link to this comment

gerard, - “Where did you get this information? And how do you think Mr. King is going to pick out “extremists” through his investigations?”

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Directly from the teachings of each of the individuals I mentioned and, you missed my three times writing that I have real doubts on the efficacy of these hearings.

As an aside: The hearing today was not designed to “pick out” extremists. Is that how you understand the Kerry, Feinstein and King hearings?

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By gerard, March 10, 2011 at 11:44 pm Link to this comment

My question:  How do you yourself “differentiate between Islamic extremists and the great religion of Islam?”
  Your answer:  “Muslim Extremism:  I’ll begin with this. Extremists such as bin Laden, Zawahiri, Nasrallah, Nosair and Abdel-Rahman teach that all must submit to Allah or face death.  The only way to avoid death is to pay “homage”. Homage, and the decision to live or die, however, is at the discretion of the local “Scholar” - or Shaykh. Such as the above mentioned.”

I have two more questions: Where did you get this information? And how do you think Mr. King is going to pick out “extremists” through his investigations?

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By ardee, March 10, 2011 at 11:03 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, March 10 at 11:30 pm

Your posts are lies, even unto the smallest and least important of them. You have professed to have blocked me yet manage, somehow, to read my comments…Amazing talent you have, for bullshite.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 10:28 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

My comment on “so many on the Left” was tongue-in-cheek sarcasm.

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Muslim Extremism

I’ll begin with this. Extremists such as bin Laden, Zawahiri, Nasrallah, Nosair and Abdel-Rahman teach that all must submit to Allah or face death.  The only way to avoid death is to pay “homage”. Homage, and the decision to live or die, however, is at the discretion of the local “Scholar” - or Shaykh. Such as the above mentioned.

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By gerard, March 10, 2011 at 9:35 pm Link to this comment

GRYM:  Back a ways you wrote:  “SO MANY on the left can’t seem to differentiate between Islamic extremists and the great religion of Islam?”

Forget left and right for a minute, please.  How do you yourself “differentiate between Islamic extremists and the great religion of Islam?”  It would be very helpful to me to know.

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By call me roy, March 10, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Islam: Only Cowards Stone People to Death: An Islamic Religious Ritual by Phyllis Chesler

Yesterday, I appeared on Fox News’ The Strategy Room to discuss a recent stoning in Afghanistan and the issue of stoning in general. Kimberly Guilfoyle interviewed me both skillfully and graciously. The subject is a very distressing and somewhat mysterious one for most westerners.
What does it mean when a mob of men, numbering anywhere from 50 to 200, stone a female child to death — as happened in October of 2008 in Somalia? That poor soul was not only a 13-year-old child, she had also just been raped. Indeed, that was her sole “ crime ” and the reason for her torture-execution. She was forced into a hole and buried nearly up to her neck. She took a long time to die and kept crying out for her life. In addition to the 50 active stoners, 1000 more men cheered them on.
What does this tell us?
First, that barbarians are mainly cowards who do not view themselves as responsible for their actions. Everyone is the murderer and therefore, no one is the murderer. The group both absorbs and atones for any possible guilt or hesitation that even one individual might have felt. However, as we shall see, there is also another way of looking at this.
For a culture presumably so concerned with “honor,” so consumed with concepts of responsibility towards the family, clan, or “ummah” (Muslim people), those who stone a living being to death utterly shrink from any individual responsibility for carrying out their bloody deeds. Entire families become conspirators in an honor killing; village and religious councils collaborate to issue a death sentence; Muslim men sexually harass women in the streets (of Egypt) — and in large mosque-inflamed mobs (in Algeria).
Stoning is practiced in contemporary Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Nigeria. In 2006, a poll conducted in “moderate” Indonesia found that 50% of Muslims there supported stoning in cases of adultery, however it is defined. Adultery might include: a married woman who is raped by a stranger, or a woman promised in marriage to one man but who chooses another. This is precisely what happened in the recent case in Afghanistan.
The Grand Torturer Khomeini brought stoning back to Iran. Uneducated mullahs in the provinces rather liked it. They also liked drugs, drug trafficking, forcing girls into prostitution and then jailing or hanging them for it; temporary “marriages”; forced veiling, etc. Although stoning is now under legal review in Iran, to date, eight men and three women await stoning execution.
In Iran, one woman, accused of adultery, was sentenced to be lashed 99 times — and then sentenced to be stoned to death. Due to an international campaign and due to the hard work of Iranian dissidents, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s sentence was delayed. But she was lashed 99 times and her teenage son was forced to witness her helplessness, humiliation, and torture — and, in a sense, forced to both share these emotions, second-hand with his mother. Her son’s presence before her nakedness was meant to shame them both and challenged him to become a very hard man as a way of avoiding an eventual nervous breakdown.
I am not sure whether there is any connection, but think about this. When Muslims go on pilgrimage to Mecca, part of their three day ritual includes stoning “The Devil.” Large groups literally throw stones at giant concrete pillars. This suggests that stoning is a Muslim religious ritual, not a tribal custom. Therefore, stoning a living human being is not only an act of human sacrifice — it is a classic religious ritual meant to glorify the stoners’ God.
A little like jihad if you ask me.

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By call me roy, March 10, 2011 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

Wow, wasn’t there just an article called “Muslims Behaving Badly”?
And another article called “Islam Expert Not Shocked by Disappearance of ‘Draw Muhammad’ Cartoonist”?
And another called “Christians Warn Against Double Standard in Wake of Quran Burning Row”?
And another “Koran Burning: How Dare the Muslim World Lecture America on Religious Tolerance”?
And another “Muslims Resume Building on Christian Graveyard in Pakistan”?
And another “NYC Mosque Rhetoric May Harm Persecuted Christians”?
And another “Controversial Jesus TV Show Canceled in Lebanon”?
And another “Pakistani Court Acquits Christian Woman of ‘Blasphemy”?
And another “Prospects of Religious Freedom Appear Grim in Islamic Maldives”?
And another “Poll: 3 in 5 New Yorkers Oppose Ground Zero Mosque”?
And another “Muslim Protesters Surround Worshippers in Indonesia”?
Gee, for so few radicals out there in the world, they sure get around, don’t they? But, they told us their religion was peaceful? You mean they lied to us? And we Socialist Progessive’s (I mean Democrat American’s) believed them? I guess I should stop watching the Main, I mean Lame-Stream Media? Oh my God, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NPR, and PBS and David (Fidel) Letterman have all become Pravda America?

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By call me roy, March 10, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

The most sacred place in Islam is the Ka’ba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The Ka’ba is a mosque (built by Abraham according to Muslim tradition) built around a black stone. The Prophet Muhammad designated Mecca as the holy city of Islam and the direction (qibla) in which all Muslims should offer their prayers. There is a small building two blocks up the street from the Ka’ba that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
The second most sacred place in Islam is Medina. Medina is a city in the Hejaz region of western Saudi Arabia, and serves as the capital of the Al Madinah Province. It is the second holiest city in Islam, and the burial place of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad and it is historically significant for being his home after the Hijrah. Believe it or not, two blocks up the street there is a small building that would be a perfect size to start a Christian Church in.
Who would I contact in Saudi Arabia to find out about coming over to Mecca and then Medina to start the Christian Churches there? Our parish is looking forward to spreading the “Word” in Saudi Arabia. God bless. P.S. Say, you don’t think we will run into any problems, do you?

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By c.d.embrey, March 10, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment
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Sheldon Harnick wrote this interesting little song in 1958. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47TrXmUDz-k  It’s about the Cold War, but it is still valid today.

” ... What nature doesn’t do to us
Will be done by our fellow man.”

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 6:30 pm Link to this comment

Manchild, - “Your penchant for lies, distortions and refusals to think about what is posed by all..”

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As arrogant as it sounds, it’s simply not possible for you to offend me. I think that little of you.

Putting aside the atrocious way you treat others; somehow you always seem to miss the most important context in any conversation. You nearly always fail to comprehend that others having different world-views does not demand that they MUST be lying. It’s a failure of listening, a failure of empathy, and pure laziness on your part.

You’re simply far too emotional.

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The subject is the efficacy, wisdom and the ethics in holding today’s hearings.

I was not on board with this particular hearing. I was not thrilled with the negative attention the Chair may bring to the issue.  That aside; its pure hysterics to call today’s hearing McCarthyism or an inquisition. The charge itself, in my view, is basic politically motivated nonsense. Particularly in that the charge was made, and believed, before the hearing even began.

Three recent congressional hearings on the very same subject and only one of them is a Witch-Hunt?

I’m sorry to be so blunt but, that’s simply being gullible. I will fully admit that I’m having a hard time understanding how we’re not all in agreement on this.

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To everyone here:

I would not vote for Sarah Palin for president. But making her yet another cartoon character Goblin is lazy, unimaginative, and yet another useless exercise in stupid.

No one here has ever seen me beat up on a politician because he or she sees things differently. Nobody has ever witnessed me demonizing the democratic party because I lean middle-right. I keep it to policy and views. It’s the reason I will always say that people like Eugene Robinson and Sean Hannity are bigots. I detest it.

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By ardee, March 10, 2011 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment

You people hate too many human beings who see things differently.

I do not speak for all here, only for myself. I do not know you so what I ‘hate’ is your persona as it appears here. Your penchant for lies, distortions and refusals to think about what is posed by all who posit other than your very rigid and shallow world view.

Many here, and everywhere think many things, see many roads, and explore and discuss many possibilities. That, in and of itself is not a reason to hate. In fact, a good case might be made that you hate those who see things differently than do you, if not hate the person then shun the ideas and ideals that run counter to your own.

Youre a funny guy…..like funny peculiar

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

garard,

I’ve read “The Trial” by Franz Kafka

You may wish to read “Willful Blindness” by Andrew McCarthy and “The Challenge”: Hamdan v. Rumsfeld by Jonathan Mahler

I do understand why so many object to my views.  What I don’t fully understand is the single-minded animosity, on constant display here, toward all opposing points of view.

You people hate too many human beings who see things differently.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 2:40 pm Link to this comment

RayLan - “Now I am straining to understand the logical relevance of thiese investigation to the topic at hand.”

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Allow it some time to digest. I have faith you’ll eventually grasp the incredibly obvious. wink

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By gerard, March 10, 2011 at 2:36 pm Link to this comment

GRYM: Have you read “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson yet?  If so, what did you think of it? 
Another two or three that might help you see another point of view (unless, of course,  you don’t want to see another point of view):
  “The True Believer” by Eric Hoeffer
  “One Nation:—Carey McWilliams
  “The Trial”—Franz Kafka
These stories and essays might help you understand the people writing on this blog who disagree with you so strongly—perhaps based on their persnoal experiences or their educations.

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By RayLan, March 10, 2011 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

Elements of Logic
The Fallacy of Composition

A fallacy of composition arises when one infers that something is true of the whole from the fact that it is true of some part of the whole (or even of every proper part). For example: “This fragment of metal cannot be broken with a hammer, therefore the machine of which it is a part cannot be broken with a hammer.” This is clearly fallacious, because many machines can be broken into their constituent parts without any of those parts being breakable.


Example
Human cells are invisible to the naked eye.
Humans are made up of human cells.
Therefore, humans are invisible to the naked eye.[1]

In keeping with this right-wing favorite fallacy

Muslims extremists are likely to be terrorists
Muslim extemists are Muslim
Therefore, Muslims (Islam) are likely to be terrorits (and should be investigated)

The mind-numbing frequency with which this fallacy is resorted to by the right-wing bigot-archy explains why stupidity is no longer a disqualification for holding public office.
On the contrary it may be a positive asset.

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By RayLan, March 10, 2011 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

@GRYM
Oh what the hell - it’s useless but here goes

“The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, lead by John Kerry (D), held hearings on the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. and not one liberal bigot raised an eyebrow.

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, lead by Dianne Feinstein (D), held hearings on the activities of CAIR within the U.S..  Not one liberal bigot took exception.”

Now I am straining to understand the logical relevance of thiese investigation to the topic at hand.
Apples and oranges. Apples and oranges.

GRYM needs a intro to logic course but he might have to take it again in Summer school.

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By dazeofview, March 10, 2011 at 1:57 pm Link to this comment
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The horrors of the “Middle Passage,” a world record 300+ years of slavery against
one race of people, genocide of American Indians (including biological warfare,
and the likes of the Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacres), the virtual
enslavement and persecution of Chinese laborers in the 19th Century,
institutionalized Jim Crow laws, the KKK, internment of Japanese-American
citizens during WW II, the nuclear incineration (TWICE!) of hundreds of thousands
of Japanese in 1945, the slaughter of over 1 million Southeast Asians during the
“war” in Viet Nam, the Aryan militias, Oklahoma City, our decades of covert
foreign policies against the Islamic people of the Middle East, Islamaphobia and
Hispanophobia have one consistent thread that runs throughout.  Perhaps white
people should be investigated.  (Perhaps, too, our mantra of America as the
greatest country in the world and our American religion of self worship should be
investigated.)

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By JDmysticDJ, March 10, 2011 at 12:11 pm Link to this comment

Raylan, Reynolds, Gerard, Inherit The Wind, et al

If you’re trying to get GRYMie to admit that he is obfuscating, forget it. Obfuscation and false equivalency are his only two skills. If GRYMie has to give up those two skills, he will be left a blithering idiot. He’ll be left with a smug little LOL,  a smile,  boldly highlighting right-wing talking points, and parroting Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck, that’s it, that’s all he’s got.

Regarding Peter King, peetie claims that 85% of the Mosques in the U.S. are teaching Muslim extremism. Apparently he believes that U.S. Mosques are the breeding place for Islamo- Fascism. Like that good ol’ boy Senator Joe McCarthy, peeties’ got a secret list to substantiate his fears regarding American Muslims. Peetie is caught on video tape claiming that the IRA is the moral equivalent of the British army, which may be true, but peetie is very selective when identifying terrorist groups. Apparently terrorists have to be black or brown to make the terrorist list.

Peetie is known for being, “…a politician who spent most of the previous thirty years as the most prominent American supporter of the Irish Republican Army, earning in the process the hostility of his own GOP colleagues, the US, British and Irish governments and the attention of the FBI, the Secret Service and Britain’s intelligence agencies, MI5 and MI6.”

Peetie, a Tea Party fave, was tight with the most brutal of IRA leaders, and spoke publically to raise money for Noraid, the organization that supplied guns and money to the IRA.

Peetie is a lot like GRYMie, who seems to believe that Eugene Robinson is the leader of a hate group, as are: Reverend Wright, Shirley Sherod, Ben Jealous, and Barack Obama. Before you know it, he’ll be calling Martin Luther King a communist and referring to him as Martin Lucifer Coon, as the FBI and other right-wingers were in the habit of doing.

Finally, Rowdy Roy (I hope he doesn’t mind me calling him Rowdy) who claims the Council for American-Islam Relations (CAIR) is a Muslim Terrorist group, should also identify, The Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Congress, the American Jewish Committee, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, The Zionist Organization of America, The Jewish Federations, etc. etc. as terrorist groups. Not to mention the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, the AARP, and a whole slew of other raving terrorist groups.

CAIR was accused of, and exonerated of, being a funding organization for terrorist groups (Palestinian.) CAIR has been demonized by the same U.S. Congress people who ramrodded a condemnation of the Goldstone report through the U.S. Congress. The Goldstone Report detailed the indiscriminate killing of 1300 Palestinians during the last incursion by Israeli forces into Gaza. Justice Goldstone is of Jewish heritage, an acknowledged Zionist, and one of the many enlightened Jews who value truth and justice.

From the United Nations Human Rights Council

“Head of the UN Fact Finding Mission Justice Richard Goldstone presented the report of the Mission to the Human Rights Council in Geneva on 29 September 2009, urging the Council and the international community as a whole to put an end to impunity for violations of international law in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory.”

Apparently the United Nations Human Rights Council is a terrorist organization also.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 10, 2011 at 12:03 pm Link to this comment

Regarding SEIU violence, I went on GRYMie’s wild goose chase and only found three incidents of reported SEIU violence. One of those incidents involved an angry woman who tried to stop a camera man from filming her. There was an incident involving one Ken Hamdi, a fanatical anti-union activist.

“In a November 6 news report, California’s KCRA Channel 3 News reporters stated that ‘Sacramento police still aren’t sure who’s to blame for the bloody and chaotic end to a union meeting in downtown Sacramento’ and that ‘what we still don’t know is the big question: who attacked whom?’”

The other incident involves Kenneth Gladney, Media Matters says of that incident, and the way it was reported by the Right:

“Mary Katharine Ham wrote up an especially excited write-up at The Weekly Standard about the vicious union thugs and how Gladney was severely beaten. The only mistake Ham made was including a YouTube clip of the incident; a clip that pretty much undercuts the entire tale of run-away union violence. 
Go watch the YouTube video. (Or, the “shocking video,” as Power Line hypes it.) The first thing you notice when the camera starts rolling is a union member already sprawled out on the ground with somebody standing over him. No explanation of how he got there (pushed, shoved, punched?) and Ham couldn’t care less. Then yes, Gladney is pulled to the ground by somebody wearing a union shirt. (At the :06 mark.) But instead of Gladney being beaten and punched, as his attorney describes, and instead of union “thugs” standing over him and threatening him, Gladney bounces right back on his feet in approximately two seconds and the scuffle ends.”

Union Violence? Of course there has been union violence. Nazi thugs attacked and persecuted unions, union organizers have been murdered, and union members have been the victims of death squad activities. Families have been machine gunned while they slept, Pinkerton’s machine gunned crowds of strikers, and a bomb was thrown into a crowd of union strikers resulting in union leaders being charged with being responsible for that bomb throwing. Union members have been murdered while attempting to dock at a public dock, union members have been beaten with ax handles and placed on railroad box cars leaving town. Union halls have been attacked and ransacked. Hired goons associated with organized crime, Lucky Luciano just as one example, have attacked union strikers. These are only a few of the accountings of violence against union organizers and strikers.

But let’s get to the nature of these allegations, GRYMie, Limbaugh, Beck, and other lunatics, are spewing. Accusations that union activists in Wisconsin are union thugs. These accusations are not only despicable demagoguery, but they are also patently ridiculous.

But this forum is not about unions, it’s about people from the Right wanting to demonize American Muslims, and drive a wedge between American Muslims and the American people. It’s a microcosm of right-wing attempts to prove that the Muslim religion is evil and that all Muslims must be considered our enemies, and that acts of violence, and atrocities, committed against Muslim peoples are justified. These attitudes coming from the Right have horrific consequences, and serve no purpose other than offering an imbecilic rationale for perpetuating the madness.

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By reynolds, March 10, 2011 at 11:21 am Link to this comment

i don’t see you shrinking from stupidity or fear
mongering when you speak, i should say rant about
“union thugs” and democrats.
do you find boredom intolerable? do you have any long
term relationships in which you might while away the
hours otherwise spent at a computer?
i get a kick out of your avuncular tack, your
‘let cooler heads prevail’ schtick. eventually your
mood shifts to stuff starter mode. you’re a case study.
don’t let me interrupt you. i’m timing your frequency
of n word usage.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

John Kerry and Dianne Feinstein have not once said they would investigate the Justice Dept’s investigations.  So the criticism of Rep. King is all a load of BS.

I would be most impressed if some of you were able to highlight the recent statements from the Homeland Security Director and the head of the Justice Dept., concerning Islamic extremism within U.S. borders, before these hearings begin and before you beat the hell out of one republican for wishing to expand, for the Homeland Security Committee, on that information.

The criticisms on display here are both stupid and hysterical.

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The New York Times and MSNBC first began these hysterical criticisms of the upcoming hearings. For a grouping of people who profess to distrust “mainstream Media”, some of you do a wonderful job mindlessly falling in line.

Two democrat lead Senate hearings on the same subject and not one of you complained.  But today you find yourselves outraged? That’s interesting.

This is a display in stupid.

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By surfnow, March 10, 2011 at 10:43 am Link to this comment

The one thing no politician is willing to talk about is our lack of a real immigration policy. Two-thirds of the 93 accused terrorists in the past 18 years- including a majority of the 9-11 hyjackers- were in this country illegally ( on expired student visas for example). There would be no issue here of profiling if we had common sense immigration laws that were enforced. This is not the difficult, insurmountable problem that the mSM and politicians want us to believe- it would be very easy to enforce.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2011 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

Congressional investigations should be into failures of the executive or judicial branch to carry out law, not to parallel other investigators and grand-stand.

King has not once said he would investigate the Justice Dept’s investigations.  So it’s all BS.

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By Jim Yell, March 10, 2011 at 10:01 am Link to this comment
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I don’t believe that being a member of a Religion should keep ones possible bad behavior from attention. I also believe that Fundamentalist Christianity is a more immediate threat to our freedoms than Islam, but this is based upon the fact that there are more voting Fundamentalist Christians in the country than Moslems, at lest for the time being.

It is distressing that after 200+ years of Growing Relgious Freedom a significant number of the Religous have no respect for the right of people to have different opinions about the importance of Relgions one way or the other.

It is also not in our interests to ignore the Fundamentalism of Islam. The larger part of Islam believes that they have the right to dictate behavior to other people and they display this in Islam countries. In Egypt where the Copts are the last remaining true Egyptians and no threat to Islam, what do we see constant attacks and discrimination against the Copts.

You have the right to your religion but not to inflict it on others. That is a lesson not learned by Christians and Moslems. There is a reason to be concerned, even if Peter King is a fool.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 8:12 am Link to this comment

Let us put aside the fear-mongering hysteria by narrow-minded political bigots and look at recent facts. 

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The Senate Foreign Relations Committee, lead by John Kerry (D), held hearings on the Muslim Brotherhood in the U.S. and not one liberal bigot raised an eyebrow.

The Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, lead by Dianne Feinstein (D), held hearings on the activities of CAIR within the U.S..  Not one liberal bigot took exception.

Today the House Homeland Security Committee, lead by Peter King (R), is holding hearings on radical Islam and every liberal political bigot suddenly feels a sense of outrage?

This is stupid. This is fear-mongering hysteria.

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By RayLan, March 10, 2011 at 6:32 am Link to this comment

An agenda to investigate anybody on the basis of his/her religion is dangerous bigotry even before it is in progress. Bigotry exists in thought and action.
But everything wrong begins in thought distortion.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 9, 2011 at 11:32 pm Link to this comment

The irony is that McCarthy wasn’t really interested in rooting out Communists.  He was interested in finding an issue he could ride to fame and power.

What does King hope to actually achieve other than fame and power himself?  Clearly a House investigation of the same thing the Justice Dept and Secret Service are chasing will not be productive at actually rooting out Islamic terrorists here at home.

But he is interested in terrorizing millions of Muslims in America, many of whom are loyal citizens. 

He’s not investigating the most active terrorist group in America, the radical wing of the anti-Abortion movement that bombed the Olympics and kills doctors practicing legal medicine. 

Nor is he investigating Christian religious radicals who are pushing to destroy our fundamental freedoms to create a Christian Taliban.

Nor is he investigation the rising radical racist groups (like the far right wing of his own party).

No, King, like McCarthy, Palin, Huck, and The Newt, is playing to the cameras and shouting about an issue that pushes emotional buttons.

He actually isn’t against terrorism, having long been a supporter of the IRA during their most terrorist phases.

If you think the McCarthy insanity wasn’t racist then why were the ONLY people executed two Jewish Communists?  There were clearly other traitors who committed far worse and more provable crimes who didn’t die both then and since (Think how many people the Walkers and Ames got killed.  Hell, think about how many Cheney got killed by having Plame outed!)

To George W. Bush’s (meager) credit, he had no sympathy for Timothy McVeigh, nor for the Byrd murderers, recognizing that radical racists were deadly to our freedom…(not that most of his policies weren’t).

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 9:47 pm Link to this comment

petrified nathan bedford forrest

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt,

Your attempts to change the subject too will not work. It’s hysterical to label the upcoming hearings as McCarthyism or an inquisition before they even begin. It’s stupid from inception.

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You’ll find many examples of Union violence and intimidation, particularly spanning the last two years.

With any search engine of your choice, do a inquiry on “SEIU Violence” and “Union Violence”. With that information search out the local stories (local newspapers, radio and police blotters) across the nation.  You can start with the states I mentioned in my previous post.

It will do you a great deal of good to followup, first-hand, on what you’ll find.

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 9:32 pm Link to this comment

nonsense. your attempts to change the subject will not
wear out. your nom de guerre is an insult to going,
rightness, youth and men. you thrive on charade.
do you ever get the feeling people don’t like you? you
seem indifferent to, or tending to rationalize the hurt
or insult you cause to others. why is that? has it
always been that way? have you ever suffered a severe
blow to the head? do you like macrame`, fava beans?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

Arabian Sinbad,

Nonsense.

I’m not a firm supporter of these hearings being public. At the same time it’s hysterical to label the upcoming hearings as McCarthyism before they even begin. It’s stupid from inception.

Your attempts to change the subject will not bear-out.

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Your nom de guerre is an tremendous insult to Arabs.  Nonetheless you refuse to end the charade.

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 8:45 pm Link to this comment

the pot calls the kettle the n word.

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By Arabian Sinbad, March 9, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, March 8 at 2:45

“I am unsure of the efficacy of these public hearings, however, for Eugene Robinson, this unapologetic bigot, to label these hearings as an American Inquisition, before the hearings have begun, is the same idiotic fear-mongering he has spread for a decade.

You’re a nasty and narrow-minded bigot, Mr. Robinson.  You truly make me ill.”
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How about that?! The most bigoted savage I ever encountered on these threads, who goes by the name “Go Right Young Man,” is calling Eugine Robinson a “narrow-minded bigot.” This is a case of the proverbial pot calling the kettle black!

Your new hero, Mr. bigot GRYM, who goes by the name Peter King has a history of being notorious supporter of terrorism when the terrorists were Irish Republican Army. Just go and get a basic education before you come out spewing your venomous hatred and bigotry. 

Since you have always come out of your ugly bigoted shell when there is an issue against Islam, I pray that you will one day be fully consumed by your irrational hatred till you drop dead, because in your very un-Christian hatred you stand against the spirit of the teachings of Christ, who happened to be by birth a Palestinian with whom I have more affinity than your fake righteousness!

Get lost you epitome of bigotry!!!

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 7:49 pm Link to this comment

-persistent lying

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By Night-Gaunt, March 9, 2011 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

What “union thugs”? More of a chance of one or more of the body guards of some Reich-winger would do a head stomp on me or blown up by an anti-abortionist’s bomb than what you posit,Go Right Young Man.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt, - Though you are more likely to be killed or maimed by an union thug in Florida, Missouri, Louisiana, California, Chicago, Ohio, Indiana and Texas in the past two years than Muslim or Hindu. - Not sure how that fits in with the current topic, however, it’s Food for Thought.

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

characteristics of people with antisocial
personality disorder may include:
-apparent lack of empathy for others; lack of
remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or
rationalizing having hurt or mistreated others:
A GROSS AND PERSISTENT ATTITUDE OF IRRESPONSIBILITY
AND DISREGARD FOR SOCIAL NORMS, RULES, OBLIGATIONS.
-persistent lying
-tendency to violate the boundaries and rights of
others
-inability to tolerate boredom

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By Night-Gaunt, March 9, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

The problem is that King is only investigating Islam, In Exremis. But still a very narrow subject instead of extremism in Christianity and even Hinduism which can be very dangerous here. Though you are more likely to be killed or maimed by an anti-abortion or anti-gay Christian fanatic than Muslim or Hindu.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

reynolds, - “they’re making macrame` in the day room.”

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Good luck with that.

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By reynolds, March 9, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment

gfys; they’re making macrame` in the day room.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 4:00 pm Link to this comment

gerard,

Back to square one. 

Is that what happened during the hearings on domestic militia? 

Clearly you have made up your mind before the proceedings begin. Your history gives me great doubt that the hearings themselves will find you thinking any differently. Regardless of the outcome.

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By gerard, March 9, 2011 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Back to square one:  The kind of questions that will be asked in King’s “investigation” will be the same as those asked in McCarthy’s “investigations”:
  1 Are you, or have you ever been a member of the (    )?  If not, prove it. (Hidden Agenda: If I can make you prove you are innocent,  I don’t have to prove you are guilty.)
  2 Give us the names of other people who are members of (            )  and we will let you go.(Hidden Agenda: These names will keep our “investigation” going for another six months or a year. Thus my “investigators” will get paid, and we’ll get a lot of free propaganda material out of you. The media love it!)
  3. People are so scared of (      ) that just mentioning your name in connection with (      )
smears you enough to prejudice your employer and friends, and will ruin your life and theirs as well.
  4, If you don’t answer my questions (or “take the 5th Amendment”) it proves you don’t want to answer because are guilty.
  5.  My “investigation”  has millions of government (taxpayers’) money behind it.  You don’t even have enough to pay a good lawyer. 
  6.  The “public” are so ignorant of what is really going on here that they are more afraid of you than they are of me.
  Motto:  Fear Rules! (as long as you let it).

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By Lillie Stinson, March 9, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment
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This has nothing to do with religion, or terrorists or the internal security of the U.S. It’s been some time now since 9/11 and Americans are beginning to feel comfortable again.

This is Shock and Awe politics in the pursuit of Disaster Capitalism - look it up guys. It’s real and its being levied upon us at this very moment.

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By LillithMc, March 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm Link to this comment

To investigate terrorists use the Southern Law Center’s list which begins with right-wing extremists. To honor Muslims begin with the Muslim first-responders who rushed to the rescue on 9/11.  To learn about ultimate craziness in the US listen to the demagogue King in Congress tomorrow or any available Tea Party person with their Muslim hate.  King understand terrorism because he was involved deeply with the Irish terrorists.  We wonder why we are viewed as Christian Crusaders in the Middle East.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

Raylan, - “Can we talk about Christian extemists?”

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You can write about anything you wish, however, do you yet understand the issue here, the issue of the hearings to begin tomorrow, is one of Islamic extremism within the borders of the United States?

Tell us you finally understand the issue on this thread before you begin going off on some other nasty and bigoted issue against Christians.

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By RayLan, March 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm Link to this comment

Grym
“The topic of the hearings, as proposed, is Islamic extremism within U.S. borders.’

OK. I’ll go real slow.
You are mentioning militia troops being investigated.
The topic is Islam ‘extemists’ being investigated.
What is your point?
Can we talk about Christian extemists?

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By marriea, March 9, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

This senator is not interested in any thing except muddying the waters. At a time when our nation is crying broke, how much time and money is going to be wasted.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 10:05 am Link to this comment

I need to add another context which will, until I write it, be completely ignored here.

How tremendously racist and bigoted is it that SO MANY on the left can’t seem to differentiate between Islamic extremists and the great religion of Islam?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 9, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

RayLan,

It’s odd that I should have to explain the context four times when once should have sufficed.

The topic is not Islam. The topic of the hearings, as proposed, is Islamic extremism within U.S. borders. I will repeat the topic, once again, so that you will better understand the topic. - Extremism amongst small numbers of Muslims inside U.S. borders.

Nobody, I repeat, nobody but the left is talking about focusing on all of Islam.

Do you now understand? 

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After the horrendous actions of Timothy McVeigh congress held hearings on the subject of domestic militias. Nobody on the left talked about institutional McCarthyism at that time.  Now, after thousands have been killed, after dozens of attacks and attempts by adherents of a perverse strain of Islam, congress wants to embark on a series of hearings which has the left shouting hysterically, stupidly, about McCarthyism and an inquisition.

Do you finally understand the topic? Nobody but the left is talking about an inquiry into the whole of Islam.

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By FRTothus, March 9, 2011 at 7:53 am Link to this comment

>>“But the fact is that the 9/11 atrocities were
indeed committed by men who espoused a version of
Islam…”<<

Mr Robinson, this is a “fact” only in a world of
ignorance and fantasy, and official, self-serving US
policy requirements to manufacture consent, but then,
what do you care about facts when they get in the way
of a good rant?

It’s obvious you’ve fallen for the “McVeigh did it”
FBI bombing in Oklahoma City.  I’d bet you think
someone besides the FBI was involved in the 1993 WTC
bombing, too.

I also suppose you also swallow the one about the
arsonist burning down the Reichstag, and that LHO
shot JFK, that Pearl Harbor was unprovoked, the
Lusitania was a passenger ship, the Maddox was
attacked in the Gulf of Tonkin, the US wages
“defensive” war, and our government and the media
would never tell a lie.

Very difficult to see something when your salary and
career depend on you not seeing it, isn’t it Eugene?

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

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By RayLan, March 9, 2011 at 7:37 am Link to this comment

GYRM
“I am not aware of anyone but yourself comparing militia members with Islam”

The topic is Islam, not militia members and you brought up the latter, therefore some relevance (like an analogy) is required ( but I guess not in your case).

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Eugene Robinson, along with various individuals here on TruthDig, didn’t appear to have a problem with investigating domestic militias - A minority.

Typical GRYM tactic, twisting reality to suit a unique and hateful world view. This fascist may be too agendized to note the difference between investigating armed militia groups preaching sedition and castigating 1.4 billion followers of Islam for the words and actions of a few thousand extremists among them.

He becomes as a parody of himself. Look up raving lunatic extremist and you may just find his picture!

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By joentokyo, March 8, 2011 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

How is Rep. King’s ignorance of the constitution and civil rights worse than the persecution our Commander in Chief is conducting against Bradley Manning?

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By reynolds, March 8, 2011 at 11:20 pm Link to this comment

four times in one post- and the story is about islam.
context is everything.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 8, 2011 at 11:15 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, - “militia members vs. Islam”

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I am not aware of anyone but yourself comparing militia members with Islam.

The Homeland Security Director under President Obama, at different times, has released statements of warning concerning domestic militia members and Islamic extremists.

Context is everything.

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By RayLan, March 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

A short refresher for GRYM
“Eugene Robinson, along with various individuals here on TruthDig, didn’t appear to have a problem with investigating domestic militias”

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By reynolds, March 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm Link to this comment

you’re no phony, are you? you’re the real thing- and it
is stunning to behold. i picture you in a bite proof
mask.
my “intent”, as you imagine it, is merely that you
continue to show yourself for exactly what you are, as
if you could resist. leave us hope your contemptible
fiction issues from a secure facility.

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By reynolds, March 8, 2011 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

Pseudologia fantastica, mythomania, or pathological
lying is one of several terms applied by
psychiatrists to the behavior of habitual or
compulsive lying. It was described first in medical
literature during 1891 by Anton Delbrueck. One
definition of pathological lying is the following:
PATHOLOGICAL LYING IS FALSIFICATION ENTIRELY
DISPROPORTIONATE TO ANY DISCERNIBLE END IN VIEW, MAY
BE EXTENSIVE AND VERY COMPLICATED, AND MAY MANIFEST
OVER A PERIOD OF YEARS OR EVEN A LIFETIME.
Pseudologia fantastica may also present as false
memory syndrome, where the sufferer genuinely
believes that fictitious events have taken place,
regardless that these events are fantasies. The
sufferer may believe that he or she has committed
superhuman acts of altruism and love or has
committed equally grandiose acts of diabolical evil,
for which the sufferer must atone, or has already
atoned for in his/her fantasies.
Although little has been written about pathological
lying, one study found a prevalence of almost 1 in
1000 repeat juvenile offenders. The average age of
onset is 16 years, and its occurrence was found by
the study to be equal in men and women. Forty
percent of cases reported central nervous system
abnormality (characterized by epilepsy, abnormal EEG
findings, head trauma, or CNS infection).

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By Go Right Young Man, March 8, 2011 at 10:00 pm Link to this comment

garard, - “God help us, we are a nation of stupid cowards!”

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Well said.  Let us not be cowards by ignoring a real situation - several domestic Islamic attacks and attempts - simply because you fail to understand the them.

I must point out again that nobody can label these scheduled hearings as McCarthyism before they’ve began.  It’s impossible.  It is, very simply, hysterical.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 8, 2011 at 9:45 pm Link to this comment

reynolds,

I refuse to diffuse my abhorrence of bigotry by reporting how others may have used “THE N WORD”. If you were to call a woman a nigger I will say that you called her a nigger. I want others to be as outraged as I am. It’s that simple.

November 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm., on this Web space, you elected to use the term nigger in an attempt to criticize me for using the proper term, Negro. I used the term Negro in pointing out the racism from another. You know as well as I do that you have never witnessed me using the term by referring to another as a nigger.

Your sense of outrage is, well, to be polite, disingenuous.  Your intention is to cast me as something I am not. It won’t work. Not after it’s been made clear that you use the term in precisely the same manner.

You’re phony and it will not work.

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By reynolds, March 8, 2011 at 9:17 pm Link to this comment

i didn’t think so.

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By kerryrose, March 8, 2011 at 9:10 pm Link to this comment

Expat

What country is yours now?

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By Go Right Young Man, March 8, 2011 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, - “militia members vs. Islam”

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I am not aware of anyone but yourself comparing militia members with Islam. Perhaps you could revisit what I wrote.

The Homeland Security Director under President Obama, at different times, has released statements of warning concerning domestic militia members and Islamic extremists. 

Context is everything.

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By reynolds, March 8, 2011 at 8:25 pm Link to this comment

gfys; how do you reconcile your disdain for bigotry
with your frequent use of the n word? you used it
twelve times in eight posts- in complaint of john
galliano’s anti semitic utterances, no less.
can you offer any illumination other than that of a
burning cross?

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By call me roy, March 8, 2011 at 7:56 pm Link to this comment

Council on American-Islamic Relations
Proven Truths About CAIR -

Let there be no doubt that the Council on American-Islamic Relations is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded
by terrorists, and that CAIR wishes nothing more than the implementation of Sharia Law in America.
CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic Terrorists. CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist-supporting groups and nations.
CAIR is an organization founded by Hamas supporters which seeks to overthrow Constitutional government in the United States
and replace it with an Islamist theocracy using our own Constitution as protection. CAIR was started by Hamas members and is supported by
terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries. CAIR is not in the United States to promote the civil rights of Muslims. CAIR is here to make radical Islam the dominant religion in the United States and convert our country into an Islamic theocracy.
CAIR receives direct funding from Islamic terroristsupporting countries.

*U.S. Senator Richard Durbin: “[CAIR is] unusual in its extreme rhetoric and its associations
with groups that are suspect”

*U.S. Senator Charles Schumer: “we know [CAIR] has ties to terrorism”
“intimate links with Hamas”

Statements From Sept. 2003 Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Terrorism,
Technology and Homeland Security

*U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer: “To praise [CAIR] because they haven’t been indicted
is like somebody saying, ‘I’m not a crook’”

*U.S. Rep. Bill Shuster: “Time and again [CAIR] has shown itself to be nothing more
than an apologist for groups bent on the destruction of Israel
and Islamic domination over the West,”
Since its founding in 1994, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and its employees have combined, conspired, and agreed with third parties, including, but not limited to, the Islamic Association for Palestine (“IAP”), the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (“HLF”), the Global Relief Foundation (“GRF”), and foreign nationals hostile to the interests of the United States, to provide material support to known terrorist organizations, to advance the Hamas agenda, and to propagate radical Islam. The Council on American-Islamic Relations, and certain of its officers, directors, and employees, have acted in support of, and in furtherance of, this conspiracy.

Senior CAIR employee Randall Todd Royer, a/k/a “Ismail” Royer, pled guilty and was sentenced to twenty years in prison for participating in a network of militant jihadists centered in Northern Virginia. He admitted to aiding and abetting three persons who sought training in a terrorist camp in Pakistan for the purpose of waging jihad against American troops in Afghanistan. Royer’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed with CAIR

CAIR’s Director of Community Relations, Bassem Khafagi , was arrested by the United States due to his ties with a terror-financing front group. Khafagi pled guilty to charges of visa and bank fraud, and agreed to be deported to Egypt. Khafagi’s illegal actions occurred while he was employed by CAIR.

On December 18, 2002, Ghassan Elashi, founding board member of CAIR-Texas, a founder of the Holy Land Foundation,and a brother-in-law of Musa Abu Marzook , was arrested by the United States and charged with, among other things, making false statements on export declarations, dealing in the property of a designated terrorist organization, conspiracy and money laundering. Ghassan Elashi committed his crimes while working at CAIR, and was found Guilty.

CAIR Board Member Imam Siraj Wahaj, an un-indicted co-conspirator in the first World Trade Center bombing, has called for replacing the American government with an Islamic caliphate, and warned that America will crumble unless it accepts Islam.

Great Job Rep. King

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By call me roy, March 8, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment

Islam Sharia Law’s Threat to Free Speech
by Connie Hair
An organized effort is underway worldwide orchestrated by a powerful Islamic political body to criminalize speech that “offends” Muslims. As much as that may sound like some fantastic conspiracy theory, these Muslim leaders broadcast their group’s every move on their website—yet America’s ruling elites refuse to listen.
The Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is the second largest inter-governmental organization after the United Nations representing 57 member states which seek to criminalize speech that violates the archaic tenets of Sharia law.
The OIC is comprised of the kings and heads of state of all Islamic countries numbering its membership at 57 states by including the non-existent state of Palestine.
As reported last week on HUMAN EVENTS, the OIC website says it comprises “the collective voice of the Muslim world” making “policy decisions” and providing “guidance on all issues pertaining to the realization of the objectives and consider other issues of concern to the Member States and the Ummah.”
The ummah is the worldwide body of Muslim believers.
The OIC’s claim to speak for “the collective voice of the Muslim world” carries great weight considering its membership. The OIC is not an Islamic religious organization but a political entity exercising political power and territorial claims through all of its member states as well as the ummah.
On December 8, 2005, at a heads-of-state-level summit, the OIC ratified its “Ten-Year Programme of Action to Meet the Challenges Facing the Muslim Ummah in the 21st Century.”
The plan, among other things, seeks to define slander according to Islamic Sharia law—making Islamic “slander” a serious crime in every jurisdiction in the world, including the United States.
By January of 2006—just one month after ratification—the first OIC-orchestrated crisis was born.
In an attempt to buck the trend of media self-censorship on matters regarding Islam worldwide, Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten on September 30, 2005, published 12 editorial cartoon depictions of the Muslim prophet Muhammad. Under Sharia law it is illegal to publish an image of Muhammad.
Four months later, Muslim leaders circulated offensive cartoons not published by the paper, cartoons they had created themselves for the sole purpose of inciting violence. Manufactured outrage and violence ensued.
Eleven ambassadors from Muslim countries asked for a meeting with Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen to discuss what they perceived as an “on-going smearing campaign in Danish public circles and media against Islam and Muslims.”
On December 6, 2005, at a summit with heads of state in attendance, the OIC issued an official communiqué demanding that the United Nations impose international sanctions on Denmark.

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By gerard, March 8, 2011 at 7:07 pm Link to this comment

Lest we forget:  It’s McCarthyism all over again—only this time the name is King, and he’s a Representative, not a Senator, who sees a chance to whip up some publicity under the guise of “patriotism.”
  McCarthyism destroyed the social fabric for a decade and accomplished absolutely nothing except it wrecked some lives, tore apart some marriages, betrayed some friendships, caused a lot of free-floating fear and sent some innocent people to jail or caused them to lose their jobs.
  Are we looking at another Japanese Expulsion where tens of thousands of loyal Americans are going to be arbitrarily picked up, their property taken away, and their bodies (carrying only what they could get into a suitcase) loaded onto buses and “deported” to concentration camps in the empty Western states—to live crowded into shacks for several years, all under the guise of “homeland security?”
  God help us, we are a nation of stupid cowards!

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By RayLan, March 8, 2011 at 6:12 pm Link to this comment

“militia members” vs. Islam

apples and oranges - or should I say bullets and oranges.

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By photoshock, March 8, 2011 at 6:11 pm Link to this comment

This kind of bigotry should be abhorrent to every
citizen of the US. Instead we live in a climate of
unmitigated fear brought on by the very party that
started because of the fight against slavery and
racism. The party of Abraham Lincoln is now the party
of bigots and racists. Their modus operandi can be
seen nightly on the Fox Channel. The idea of
separating the Muslims from the rest of the citizenry
of the US is but one of the plots of these self-
proclaimed bigots.
True Americans, not the Amerikkkans that listen and
support the Republicrat Party, should with one loud
and clear voice, state emphatically, We will not
bend, we are one! You cannot take away the rights of
one group of citizens without taking away the rights
of all. We, should stand up against the
fundamentalist far right wing nut jobs of both
parties. This is no longer a matter of choice, it is
a matter of the freedoms we hold dear. Should we not
stand against this unheard of, and clearly bigoted
inquisition of one group of citizens, you and I will
be next on the list. Do not doubt my words. We are
facing a Constitutional crisis of epic proportions
and the Congress of the United States should be held
in contempt of the people.
This is just one more nail in the coffin of the Bill
of Rights, which has been trampled upon by most if
not all of the Congress and the Senate and the
Executive Branch and the Judicial Branches of our
government. We face the loss of our freedoms and the
start of an authoritarian regime of fascist dictators
which will finally do away with the founding
documents of our country.
This is not the start but one more instance of the
elitist political class of ID10T’s which have been
given free reign over our country.
STOP THE MADNESS! Do not stop voicing your
displeasure and loathing of this bigot. Rep. King
deserves of Long Island, to be voted out of office
and returned to public life where he would have to
interact with Muslims every day.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 8, 2011 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

Eugene Robinson, along with various individuals here on TruthDig, didn’t appear to have a problem with investigating domestic militias - A minority. He and others here didn’t speak out against the current Homelands Security Director when she raised the issue of potential dangers from minority numbers of militia members.  I too didn’t feel a great sense of danger of institutional “McCarthyism” or an American “Inquisition”. It seemed to me there was good cause to investigate and inquire as to the phenomena.

The same Homeland Security Director has recently reported that Muslim extremist threats have risen in the past 12-18 months. There may be good cause to investigate the matter further.  There is, after-all, a proven threat from Muslim extremists.

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I think it’s great that Americans feel a sense of unease with anything that smacks of singling out a religion. Particularly a minority religion. It’s a great testament to the American psyche. But, at the same time, that does not demand that we ignore a situation for reasons of political correctness. For fear of offending.

According to a recent report regarding the Fort Hood/Maj. Hassan shooting spree, that type of thinking allowed several dozen individuals in the Armed Forces to ignore several red flags prior to the shooting event.

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Let us not get hysterical and stupid. There are no calls for detention centers. No hysterical cries for labor camps. And it’s impossible to label these hearings McCarthyism before they even begin. That’s being stupid.

Let’s not get stupid.

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By Richard Keefe, March 8, 2011 at 5:20 pm Link to this comment
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“Watchdogs such as the Southern Poverty Law Center would be happy to share with King voluminous information…”

Here’s some of the voluminous information the SPLC shared two weeks ago when it released the 2010 edition of its spurious “Hate Map”:

According to the SPLC’s own numbers, “Black Separatists” make up the largest single category of “hate group” in the country.

http://wp.me/pCLYZ-8S

Two-thirds of those groups are Nation of Islam chapters… i.e., Muslims.

Whose side is the SPLC on, anyhow?

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By RayLan, March 8, 2011 at 4:55 pm Link to this comment

@JDMysticDJ
“GRYMie’s obsessive compulsive behavior, in this respect, is truly amazing, and a sign of mental disorder”

It’s called projection in the best of cases. In the worst, paranoid delusion.

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By RayLan, March 8, 2011 at 4:53 pm Link to this comment

Rich corporate self-proclaimed Christians should be investigated ( and they have, with scandalous results)

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By JDmysticDJ, March 8, 2011 at 4:50 pm Link to this comment

I was wondering what happened to GRYMie. I should have known he would be here calling Robinson a bigot once again. Obviously GRYMie has a thing about Robinson; I wonder why?

It escapes GRYMie that what Robinson is doing here is pointing out bigotry. For this, GRYMie calls him a bigot, again and again and again.

GRYMie’s obsessive compulsive behavior, in this respect, is truly amazing, and a sign of mental disorder.

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By RayLan, March 8, 2011 at 4:41 pm Link to this comment

“King has decided to investigate Islam”

Oh dear. I can already hear the rumbling of billions of Muslims trembling in fear. BS phrases like
“self-radicalization going on within the Muslim community”, whatever the f**k that means, are like political dope snorted by the right wing base - not like they need any more fixes since they are already hallucinating anti-Islam bigotries.

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By keepyourheaddown, March 8, 2011 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

King is a schmuck…

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By brianrouth, March 8, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

this may be of interest http://vimeo.com/20715539

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By LillithMc, March 8, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

I hope there will be protesters with signs outside the capital as that is the only way to get attention today.  What about civil rights within the Department of Justice?  Don’t Muslims have the right not to be slandered in Congress?  The people who love King deserve what bad karma they shall get, but I don’t and the Muslims overseas will not know that I am the good one who respected all religions. I thought government workers were the designated scapegoats.  Bashing Muslims has been around a long time and we have the “birther” movement.

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By gerard, March 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Inquiries based on race, religion, skin color, minority status—whatever—are witch-hunting, aimed not at justice but at finding people who can be persecuted (remember Jesus?)  merely on the basis of differences.
  The main purpose of such inquiries is rabble-rousing—to make “the public” think it is in danger, cause mass hysteria, and prepare ignorant people to go along with punishing the victims.
  Makes everybody feel threatened because they might be next, so they toe the line out of fear. Great democracy we have here. Mr.Robinson knows whereof he speaks.
  GRYM needs to get a grip, IMO. Start by reading the famous short story, “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson.

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By gerard, March 8, 2011 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

Inquiries based on race, religion, skin color, minority status—whatever—are witch-hunting, aimed not at justice but at finding people who can be persecuted (remember Jesus?)  merely on the basis of differences.
  The main purpose of such inquiries is rabble-rousing—to make “the public” think it is in danger, cause mass hysteria, and prepare ignorant people to go along with punishing the victims.
  Makes everybody feel threatened because they might be next, so they toe the line out of fear. Great democracy we have here. Mr.Robinson knows whereof he speaks.
  GRYM needs to get a grip, IMO. Start by reading the famous short story, “The Lottery” by Shirley Jackson.

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By OldUncleDave, March 8, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Dick Cheney knows who was responsible for 9/11, and it wasn’t Muslim terrorists.
Waterboard him for a while and he’ll reveal the truth.

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By kerryrose, March 8, 2011 at 1:08 pm Link to this comment

GRYM

Begun or not, the intent is clear and the intent is offensive.

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By expat, March 8, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment
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anyone still residing in these united states ought to have their head examined.

Travel a little bit, and you will quickly realize what a fourth world, unfree, mean spirited and filled with bigots nation the uSSa has become.

So go ahead, let the morons remain in their soon to be concentration camp (already partial), if you have half a brain, leave.

It’s not as hard as you think and actually it can be an incredible rebirth.  Money the problem?  What, you think you’re gonna repay your credit in US once having found a good life overseas?  You’ll be but a spec in a defaulting nation.  Isn’t it you turn to screw the banksters?  Let me tell you, it’s orgasmic!

I am faithful to the ideals of the Constitution, but it’s ameriKa which abandoned these ideals, I left with my family in 03 and never regretted it.  Great, almost free health care, almost free world class university for the kids, business opportunities aplenty, etc, etc…

Imagine you live in Germany in 1933 knowing all you know…  would you stay?  Explain to me how this is different.

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