By Inherit The Wind, January 4 at 10:50 pm #

I think we can agree that arguing with DieDaily and his “opinion as fact” pieces is a
waste of time.  Adding his name to my do not respond list…done.  New year’s
turning out great so far! 

Read WHAT and weep?

An opinion piece in “The Asian Times” by Kaveh L. Afrasiabi?  Now THERE’S a real “disinterested” viewpoint! And I’m supposed to be impressed by that?  What is it with you types?

NOT!

Gullible? Look in the mirror, buddy boy!

Inherit the Wind,

Do you guys mean the 11 years and 8 months that he spent saying that Iran had absolutely no nuclear weapons program and was in full compliance? Or do you mean the last four months of his career when he mysteriously changed his tune before being sacked for not being aggressive enough? Hmmmmm…I guess I’ll assume you’re probably talking about the latter. So read the below and weep at your own gullibility. Please weep especially strongly when you get to the last paragraph I’ve excerpted below. Man, you war-hawks will believe anything! Sorry to bring up so many facts, that must be hard for you, but I just can’t help it!

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KL02Ak01.html

“Because of this last-ditch attempt to find a breakthrough in the Iranian nuclear crisis, history will probably not judge ElBaradei very favorably, as Iran would have had to ship out most of its stockpile of 1,500 kilograms of LEU. Further, ElBaradei has informed the world press that “Iran’s demand to dilute the fuel pact was unacceptable because it could mean Tehran retaining enough enriched uranium for use in a nuclear weapon”.

“ElBaradei, with his intimate knowledge of Iran’s domestic politics, ought to have been aware that both the high ceiling (approximately 80% of Iran’s LEU) and the specific non-proliferation nuance behind it made his proposal essentially a non-starter. This raised Tehran’s suspicions of a “clever cheating game” aimed at dispossessing Iran of its much-prized strategic asset, to paraphrase Ali Larijani, the speaker of the Iranian parliament (Majlis). He, along with other deputies, reacted sharply to last week’s IAEA resolution rebuking Iran for its “secret” enrichment site near the city of Qom, known as Fardow. Iran only recently officially revealed the existence of this second site.

“This resolution showed that their intention was not negotiation for reaching a resolution but rather political cheating, otherwise they would have welcomed Iran’s early declaration about the Fardow center instead of using that as an excuse for the resolution and the repetition of past baseless allegations,” Larijani told the Iranian media.

“As a result, the stage is now set for a sharp reduction of Iran’s cooperation with the IAEA, given Tehran’s angry reaction to its perceived “unfairness” and “political tactics” behind the said resolution.

“Various members of the Majlis commission on national security and foreign policy have questioned why ElBaradei, who visited Iran last month and openly confirmed that his inspectors had found nothing problematic with the Fardow facility under construction, should now sound so “disappointed”.

Diedaily:
Why don’t you answer Marshall’s question about Mohamed ElBaradei’s frustration with Iran rather than avoiding it and obfuscating about other things?  That’s the ONE question you don’t address in your lengthy tomes.

Then again, it’s clear that reality has NO meaning for many here (where’s old FolkTruther?)  Everyone here ASSUMES the CIA can generate massive demonstrations in Iran of a 100,000 people marching.  How, pray tell?

A famed and beloved cleric (who was no friend to the USA) dies and hundreds of thousands fill the streets to mourn him and protest the regime AND claim, contrary to the comfy TDrs in nice, safe locations, that the election WAS stolen.

Why is it when there’s a demonstration for a cause you don’t like, it’s always due to a “classic destabilization op”? 

In case anyone forgot, both the American Civil Rights movement and the Viet Nam War Moratorium were BOTH blamed on “Communist infiltrators” by the right-wing and J.Edgar Hoover’s FBI. 

Maybe, just maybe, Iranians are getting sick of their regime.  After all, a large portion of the Shi’ite clerics not only distrust but now denounce Ahmadinejad and Khamenei, clerics like the late Montazeri.  They were once supporters, when Khomeni was alive, but Khamenei was leap-frogged over their heads to be the “supreme leader” and they questioned his scholarship and ability.

But stick to your motto: “My mind’s made up, don’t confuse me with FACTS!”

Marshall, I don’t think you are bad person, just ignorant of the facts. You were a scammed, that all! That’s forgiveable IF you now do your homework, because you are truly mistaken and you need to do this! Explain the following news if you can. (Even the MSM and CIA can’t keep up the facade any more, mind you Asian intelligence initiated the story and the MSM and CIA had little choice but to try to exonerate itself):

http://www.counterpunch.org/porter12292009.html
CIA Determines Documents Were Fabricated
The Iranian Nuke Forgeries

“Sanger and Broad were so convinced that the Polonium-210 experiments proved Iran’s interest in a neutron initiator that they referred in their story on the leaked document to both the IAEA reports on the experiments in the late 1980s and the claim by NCRI of continuing Iranian work on such a nuclear trigger.

What Sanger and Broad failed to report, however, is that the IAEA has acknowledged that it was mistaken in its earlier assessment that the Polonium-210 experiments were related to a neutron initiator.

After seeing the complete documentation on the original project, including complete copies of the reactor logbook for the entire period, the IAEA concluded in its Feb. 22, 2008 report that Iran’s explanations that the Polonium-210 project was fundamental research with the eventual aim of possible application to radio isotope batteries was “consistent with the Agency’s findings and with other information available to it”.

The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 – and thus the earlier suspicion of an Iranian interest in using it as a neutron initiator for a nuclear weapon - was now considered “no longer outstanding”.

[...]

“U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a “neutron initiator” for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official.

Philip Giraldi, who was a CIA counterterrorism official from 1976 to 1992, told me that intelligence sources say that the United States had nothing to do with forging the document, and that Israel is the primary suspect. The sources do not rule out a British role in the fabrication, however.

The Times of London story published Dec. 14 did not identify the source of the document. But it quoted “an Asian intelligence source” - a term some news media have used for Israeli intelligence officials - as confirming that his government believes Iran was working on a neutron initiator as recently as 2007.

The story of the purported Iranian document prompted a new round of expressions of U.S. and European support for tougher sanctions against Iran and reminders of Israel’s threats to attack Iranian nuclear programme targets if diplomacy fails.

U.S. news media reporting has left the impression that U.S. intelligence analysts have not made up their mind about the document’s authenticity, although it has been widely reported that they have now had a full year to assess the issue.”

[...]

“The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,” Giraldi said.

The Times is part of a Murdoch publishing empire that includes the Sunday Times, Fox News and the New York Post. All Murdoch-owned news media report on Iran with an aggressively pro-Israeli slant.”

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AND MUCH MORE INCLUDING MANY MSM MEDIA CITATIONS…follow the link. Please start questioning what you read in the MSM! It’s basically and Israeli/US/UK (in that order) propaganda machine.

By DieDaily, December 29 at 8:41 pm #

I can see that discussing any single topic with you would require dealing with
every bad deed you think the US and selected allies has ever committed (selective,
of course, since you’ll ignore all the times we were right).  i’m not going to open
that can of worms so i’ll simply say that ElBaradei has verbally thrown up his
hands at Iran’s non-cooperation, regardless of the fact that you believe Iran to
have a spotless record of cooperation and good intentions.  Iran is officially in
violation of safeguards agreement, is under UN sanctions as a result, and has
refused to sign additional protocol.  You ignore these facts to the detriment of
your credibility on the issue, then accuse me of not knowing the facts.

Marshall, just look at the facts of recent history. The CIA, MI6, ISI and MOSAD all stated unequivocally that there were WMD’s in Iraq. I guess you haven’t heard, but that was a lie. They made up all kinds of stuff about “yellow cake uranium” and “aluminum tubes” that was totally outed. When Joseph C. Wilson blew the whistle, Cheney (& Libby & co.) treasonously outed his wife Valerie as a CIA spy! These guys are amoral psychos! What on earth are you doing taking anything they say on faith? Well, you might argue that we have improved the process, but that is not the case. Obama has blocked every attempt to investigate and re mediate those problems, just as he has with torture, just as he has with rendition, just has he has with secret, indefinite detention, just as he has with CIA disinfo, such as that which now surrounds Iran.

So, Marshall, since the CIA, MI5, ISI and MOSAD all told us lies about Iraq and THERE WAS NO DISSENTING VOICE in this vaunted intelligence community you so adore (other than France, but it was blacked out over here and France was vilified), how on earth can you keep a straigh face when you talk of their reliability or trustworthiness? Blind faith or ingnorance are the only two choices by the way.

Second, you have clearly not read the IAEA and UN post-2003 reports on Iran. Everything you state is from 2003 and that was all cleared up, as noted in the anals of the UN. Just as the IAEA and UN were screaming and shouting “THERE ARE NO WMD’s IN IRAQ!” under Hans Blix when your vaunted intelligence agencies were lying through their teeth last time around, they are doing exactly the same thing now. And you are falling for the hawk-headed disinfo now, just like the uneducated public did over Iraq.

Iran is an NPT signatory IN PERFECT STANDING. They have denied ZERO inspections. They have failed to disclose ZERO facilities. They have been absolutely up-front about their intentions to cut their carbon emissions down with a peaceful nuclear energy program and the IAEA has signed off on all of this, as has the UN. Where you get your information from, I don`t know, but it`s the opposite of the truth. Let`s take the enrichment plant, where the CIA, MI6 and MOSAD have once again been caught lying. The IAEA and NPT require that six months notice be given before such a plant is OPERATIONAL. The Iranians decided to give 12-18 months notice instead. Wow, what a crime. The CIA, MI6, and MOSAD did what they always do: LIED. They said that they had been monitoring the plant for three years and that Iran was only coming forward because they knew they were busted. Oops. A couple dozen reporters went on Google Maps and took a look at the satellite photos of the area that were only 12-18 months old, and noticed that the ground hadn`t even been broken on the site yet! This was all over the news everywhere in the world except insular, dunce-ular Amerika.

Wake up Marshall, you should be outraged at this. I could write a 100 page essay about the CIA, MI6, MOSAD and ISI lies. Iran-Contra really did happen! We really were dealing guns and drugs and hits! Our spooks are the worlds worst crooks! If you want to be outraged about a country that has flouted the IAEA and turns up it`s nose at the NPT, then look at Israel. You should ask why it is OK for them to horde nukes, bio and chem WMDs out the wazoo in secret and in defiance of DOZENS of UN resolutions. Get your criteria straight at least, for goodness sake.

Iran, Iran, Iran…

you know, yet another CIA colored revolution to effect regime change…  for israel’s benefit, another one of its paranoid schemes…

“amerika’s got to do it, we can’t let israel do it, lest their reputation suffer” - dixit NYT on Xmas eve, no less, you know peace on earth and stuff… I kid you not…  (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/opinion/24kuperman.html)

and yet, not a word on Political assassinations by the US puppet in Honduras by the truckload to this day, after an oreobama orchestrated coup in june,  I mean wake up and call a spade a spade. Total radio silence on all msm and western media.  and yet…
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/23460

So you’ll excuse me if I don’t get too worked up on the next zionist-R-US we need to overturn Iran plot.

To be perfectly honnest I hope the Iranian soon have a credible nuke and delivery system, do you think US and israel might just cool it a bit then?

could we then have…  peace? even if M.A.D

how many countries has Iran invaded, occupied and ramsacked lately…  how many civilians has it slaughtered with white phosphorous?

whatever this Iraninan thing has evolved into, nobody can deny that, at the onset, it had dirty western intellingence agencies’ fingerprints all over it.

So thanks for the history lesson Mr.Pfaff, but just like high school history, they always go on about long, long time ago, but how easily they gloss over the very recent past.  1921, palavi…  that’s nice,  but what about last summer, was this election really stolen or just declared so (wrongly so) by MSM western media in a coordinated lie? 

I mean bill…  even within your old history lesson, not a word on SAVAK, the us-israel shah’s gestapo?  I hate to sound like fox, but how balanced is that?
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html

What?  msm don’t lie?

it doesn’t do anything but!

i.e.  latest 1984 “war is peace” example:

“Copenhagen was a great success” (oreobama, sarkonazi , brown, etc.. dixit and repeated all msm, US, Europe)  when it is clear it was a total disaster! (ask third world!)  proof enough for you or have you given up on paying attention?

By DieDaily, December 29 at 12:49 am #

You’re free to dismiss all the evidence of an Iranian nuclear program, including
the entire weight of the western intelligence community opinion which
uniformly supports this.  Since I’m certain you don’t have better intel than they
do, I’m going to have to assume that you are biased against the possibility that
Iran might be seeking nuclear weapons.  I don’t know for sure that it is - but
I’d have to give deference to the opinion of those who make it their job to study
this.

But my point was not so much about the intel as about Iran’s behavior.  Dismiss
the evidence if you want, but you’re still left with Iran’s refusal to comply with
UN requests to provide concrete assurances that what it says is true.  Until Iran
complies with Additional Protocol of NPT, the world will continue to be rightly
suspicious and some will find the risk unacceptable.

Actually, Marshal, it is rather good logic to assume that just because some (actually all, though!) of the evidence is fraudulent that this implies that the underlying proposition is itself fraudulent. The logic is very simple, even and especially for sneaky, lying people, and it is this: Why risk lying through your teeth and then being exposed having done so if any tenable option whatsoever that involving actual demonstrable facts was even remotely possible? Rather an obvious thing, I should think?

Perhaps you might want to start thinking from the facts forward toward a conclusion, rather than reverse engineering your the selective and highly dubious “facts” that come to hand after the fact of your “conclusions” (obviously not the right word, but then obviously it’s hard to encode backward thinking using deductive terms).

By dihey, December 28 at 8:12 pm #

Although I haven’t read the Times of London article you refer to, it’s flawed
logic to assume that just because some evidence is fraudulent, the entire claim
is too.

Obviously the US and other countries believe Iran has made progress towards
nuclear weapons.  Our most recent NIE on Iran states with high confidence that
Iran had a nuke program until at least 2003 and it still stands by that claim. 
Iran has refused to abide by the additional protocol or to make concessions on
its enrichment, through Russia for example.  The conclusion that we draw from
this behavior is that Iran may well be concealing undisclosed enrichment sites
which would clearly violate NPT for no other purpose than developing nukes. 
It’s why the IAEA has thrown up its hands and why Israel will likely strike Iran. 
So the issue isn’t somebody’s made up document, it’s Iran’s failure to provide
assurances against the legitimate evidence we have of their nuclear aspirations.

err, sorry - wrong article XD

Truthdig’s fault - I never opened this page until now (I checked in my history).

What a fucking disgrace. If this dude deserves to go to prison for 70 years for selling socks and ponchos to terrorists, then Ollie North and Bush sr. should be facing a firing-squad tomorrow (other obvious candidates ommitted for brevity). No kidding.

Until this abominable hypocrisy is corrected the US will have no credibility whatsoever. Every little snatch of rhetoric about ‘freedom’ and ‘justice’will be like a turd dropping into the glass in front of me.

This is the primary reason behind the inability of America to ‘win the hearts and minds’ of foreign people… they tend not to trust those who’re liable to kidnap and torture their loved ones on a whim.

Do you remember the Alu-tubes, allegedly bought by Saddam Hussein to make ultra centrifuges for the enrichment of U235? A fake. Do you remember the fake documents which claimed that Hussein was buying uranium yellowcake in Niger?
Now this: “U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a “neutron initiator” for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official”.
Well, the report by the London Times that Iran plans to develop a neutron trigger for atomic bombs is another one in this sequel of plants of made-up documents and it dovetails nicely with the unrest in Iran. There will be more “proofs” in the coming months that Iran is secretly developing atomic weapons and all of these will turn out to be fabricated.
It is alleged that the false ‘neutron trigger’ document was cooked up by Israeli intelligence. I doubt that because the falsification is incredibly clumsy. Someone working for Murdoch (at FOX?) is more likely.

Do you remember the Alu-tubes, allegedly bought by Saddam Hussein to make ultra centrifuges for the enrichment of U235? Do you remember the fake documents which claimed that Hussein was buying uranium yellowcake in Niger?
Now this: “U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a “neutron initiator” for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official”.
Well, the report by the London Times that Iran plans to develop a neutron trigger for atomic bombs is a new one in this sequel of plants of made-up documents and it dovetails nicely with the unrest in Iran. There will be more “proofs” in the coming months that Iran is secretly developing atomic weapons and all of these will turn out to be fabricated.

By diman, December 28 at 11:17 am #

“Could it be the CIA at work destabilizing Iran? Just a playful thought.”

I sure hope so because given the way the current regime is going, that’s our best
hope for preventing Iran from going nuclear.  A popular uprising would be far less
messy and far more likely to succeed than an Israeli attack.

Could it be the CIA at work destabilizing Iran? Just a playful thought.

gerard,,,

Good post…. 

Once again I will say that the posters on truthdig are more smarter and, more times than not, write more better than the paid pundits….

Absolutely Russian Paul. Boy have you ever hit the nail on the head. There is in fact virtually no broad-based support for this externally contrived and controlled “colour revolution”. It’s just classic foreign destabilization tactics and propaganda.

Journalist Jalal Ghazi say Ahmadinejad won because “the difference is 11 million and you just cannot expect 11 million votes to be forged.”

Former assistant secretary of the US Treasury under Reagan says it’s all just another destabilization plan ordered by the US: “The CIA has been conducting a destabilization plan within Iran for the last two years; it is well known and has been widely reported in American and British press. We are seeing the fruits of an orchestrated protest that is taking place in Tehran,” said Roberts, adding “The American media serves as a propaganda ministry for the government”.

Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen notes that “George Bush funneled $400 million to George Soros’ Open Society Institute and National Endowment for Democracy (NED) institutions to influence this opposition movement against the Iranian government…Every time you hear about revolutions it is George Soros and the Open Society Institute.”

“The West does not conceal its intention to hold another color revolution in Iran” runs the title of a post election Pravda piece which points out that “The current state of affairs in Iran means that the West intends to have another ‘color revolution’ in Asia at all costs. The practice of such revolutions has proved to be successful in Serbia, Georgia, Ukraine and Kyrgyzstan.” (read Soros!!!)

The befouled, copraphilic hand-prints of Brzezinski and Kissinger (Obama’s handlers, essentially) are all over the staged, provocateured “revolution”. It’s revolution of the rich, by the rich, for the rich. They are staunch globalists, and they obediently bleat “Down with China, down with Russia” in their bid to become a client/proxy of the vicious, divisive US hegemony that has now all but wrecked most of the region. The disgusting Kissinger comes right out and says this on the BBC in June. Watch it if you don’t believe me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQ1iNHEGW8

he speaks of flattening cities should our colour revolution fail. Then we have an Alciada splinter cell with close CIA ties knocking off the leader of the revolutionary guard and his aids right after this. How obvious can it get? C’mon people wake up.

You could do worse that to Google “Webster Tarply on Iran”. The guy is a f*****g luminary and explains the whole theory and practice of this now long established US propensity for sacking any democracies that don’t bow to us and our corporations. Is it a coincidence that all this happened right after Iran announced it would no longer denominate any of its oil sales in US dollars?

Yeah, sure it is. Just a coincidence. There is no more western-sympathetic country in that region than Iran. The kids there listen to rock, do raves. Man, the government even funds sex changes for those who desire them. As soon as we stop screwing with them, they will stop being islamofascist almost over night. What a farce.

people in Iran have genuine grievances and many reason to protest, but a lot of
the opposition we keep hearing about seem to be upper-middle class english
speaking Twitterers. it seems very obvious the majority working class of Iran
support the populist Ahmadinjad, who was less open to US interests than his
opponent.

“it would have no active use other than to make Israelis and Americans fear
Iran.”

It would have the use of accelerating a regional arms race and nuclearizing an
already volatile part of the world, thus vastly increasing the likelyhood of (even
inadvertent) nuclear conflict.  Apparently this is lost on the author.

From John Ellis: “(IAEA), which has confirmed for several years that Iran is doing
nothing that would indicate an intent to build a nuclear weapon.”

IAEA has thrown up its hands in frustration at Iran’s stonewalling and failure to
accept additional protocol which is the only way we can rule out presence of
undisclosed sites.  Iran has stubbornly refused to accept compromises like
Russian enrichment which might allay the world’s suspicions given their past
record of deceit and an NIE that disclosed a secret nuke program through
2003.

Thousands of Jewish peace keepers should be flown in from Israel waving olive
branches at the demonstrators and police. It would bring the riots to a halt and
unify the Iranian people. With their task accomplished the peace keepers should
be immediately flown out.

A small point.  The article states that Mr. Khomeini “for the previous 15 years had lived in a Paris suburb”.  The Ayatollah Khomeini did spend more than 14 years in exile, but his stay in Paris was very brief.  He went to Turkey first, then to Najaf, in Iraq, where he resided for something like 13 years.  He was forced to leave Iraq in 1978 by Saddam Hussein (who was vice president at the time).  It was at this juncture that Mr. Khomeini went to Paris, but he was only there a few months, before he was swept into power back in Iran.

If I were a US diplomat, now would be a time when I would keep my nose out of Iran, strictly. Just say hello, drink tea together, say thank you, and listen.

Iran in walking a knife-edge domestically, in my opinion.  Half the country or more want a degree of modernization and liberalization at odds with the other half, the power structure.  That’s a tricky division to reconcile, explosive in itself, and something we should stay out of.  Settling the dust of historic change takes time. “Fixers” with less than enough understanding should stay out.

On the other hand, Iran as an ancient Persian/Arabic culture wants respect among the “family of important nations” yet feels (more or less justifiably) looked down upon, regarded as inferior, whatever that invisible ranking system is that tells nations how they feel about each other, regardless of what they say.  History is called in to justify self-image, and old “wrongs” never get “righted.”  Iran wants to be acknowledged on equal terms with others, no more, no less.

Iran wants the bomb because Israel has the bomb and the bomb is a primary status-marker among nations. (Not to mention the fears enhanced by living nextdoor to a rogue nation like Israel who cannot be counted upon as “reliable” or even realistic,  especially since the 60-years of anti-Palestine wars-without-end.

Settle the Israel/Palestine resentment/hatred as amicably as humanly possible, as soon as possible.  Iran would be relieved.  Get US troops out of the Middle East.  Big relief.  Start dealing with Iran, not as a dangerous renegade but as a people with dignity and culture in a difficult bind between history (tradition) and rapid development (innovation)—or what passes for development, modernization, world-consciousness, economically unstable systems etc.  Things could change for the better, but not without time and extreme caution and understanding.  War would set the whole thing back a hundred years as a reaction.

It’s asking a lot, but the alternative is inhumane and unaacceptable from a common sense point of view.

Mr. Pfaff—

I wonder if you can explain, in all this intensely detailed “history” of foreign
intervention into Iran, that you do not discuss the allegations against Mr.
Mousavi, the proposed “leader” of the “opposition” regarding his role in
KILLING AMERICAN SERVICEPERSONS in a purported false flag incident, known
as the blowing up of the USS Cole near Israel, and other incidents?

It is suggested that Mr. Mousavi was at the heart of this, and was actually
working for Israel, on behalf of the CIA and others, expecting the blowing up
of the Cole to enlist more American help toward Israeli goals.

Although the web continues to be washed of what is commonly suspected,
much information is still there. According to one source:  ““Mousavi, while
prime minister 1981-89, bore large responsibility for the attacks on the US
embassy and military barracks in Beirut in 1983, which took the lives of more
than 200 Americans…”“

I’d like to see some reporting on that, since you are so much interested in the
history. I don’t understand the silence on this, since the evidence is
everywhere, no matter what you think of the CIA.

And a message to the Iranian “protesters”.  Why would you think that the WEST
would be a good friend to you? Doesn’t everything you have ever known
suggest otherwise? Someone is using you and, when the west gets hold of you,
they are interested in their own military goals, world domination, and getting
hold of your resources. The west has stated over and over they want to blow
you up… What is it about that you do not understand? Some of those kids need
to really grow up a little.

joell, December 23 at 1:04 am #

i’ve seen more compelling evidence of “vote count maniplation” in the 2000 U.S. presidential election than the one in Iran this year.
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Oh, no! ANOTHER head-in-the-sand poster who won’t believe their own eyes!

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to their credit, unlike the passive americans, the people of Iran did protest in very large numbers
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Well, THAT is certainly true!  Iranians resent clearly stolen elections and put “feet on the Street” to say so far more than Americans!

Where were the calls for massive demonstrations in Washington in December 2000 against the Supreme Court picking, by a 5-4 vote, the Republican who had less votes than the Democrat?

I have the funny feeling that the CIA is working just all over the place from Iran just up to Georgia, its so very evil all this sick making interference, and meddling in all this countrys.

“The popular protest that began last June against vote-count manipulation in the contested re-election of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad”

i’ve seen more compelling evidence of “vote count maniplation” in the 2000 U.S. presidential election than the one in Iran this year.

to their credit, unlike the passive americans, the people of Iran did protest in very large numbers