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Posted on Mar 9, 2011
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A trailer set up as a military hearing room for detainees in 2006 at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

By Robert Scheer

Ignorance is the real victor in the president’s reluctant decision to abandon the effort to bring the alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attack to account in civilian court. The significance of a fair and public trial would be to reveal to the world the motives and makeup of those we must defeat, and yet the very people in this country who claim to be the most militant in combating terrorism have been the most energetic and effective in stifling that inquiry.

It must be said that Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court. But faced with a shrill Republican-led opposition in Congress that succeeded in banning the trials on U.S. soil, the president reluctantly reversed the decision he had made upon taking office to halt military commission trials of those detained at Guantanamo. The announcement Monday by Defense Secretary Robert Gates rescinding the ban on the military trials also called for the indefinite imprisonment of those Guantanamo inmates thought to be too dangerous to be released but against whom the government doesn’t have enough evidence to obtain convictions. The shortcomings of the military commission trials was denounced by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who said such proceedings fall “far short of core constitutional values by failing to provide judicial review of cases considered by the review board’ and to guarantee “meaningful assistance of counsel” to those accused.

But it is not the rights of the accused, important as they are, that should be the main concern here. Rather it is the right—indeed, need—of the American public to learn the truth about the motives, financing and methods of those who are alleged to have torn at the heart of our social fabric. What led 15 solid citizens of our ally Saudi Arabia to hijack those planes under direction of their Western-educated leaders is still murky. How did our allies in the war against Soviet communism in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, come to mastermind that savage attack on America? It is startling that, almost a decade after the attack, we still must rely for our understanding of what happened on a narrative informed not by the full disclosure revealed by the evaluation of a vetted record and robust cross-examination in open court of the key witnesses but rather by the unexamined and unquestioned reckoning of the facts supplied by the government officials who interrogated and indeed tortured the prisoners, most significantly Mohammed.

What the public has been led to believe about the events of 9/11 is most fully encapsulated in the report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, appointed by President George W. Bush. But the Bush administration denied the commission access to the prisoners whose testimony, elicited after torture, provided the basic narrative as to how Sept. 11, 2001, came to be. That fatal flaw in the investigation was clearly conceded in a box on Page 146 of the official 9/11 Commission report containing a disclaimer that the key chapters “rely heavily on information from captured al Qaeda members” and admitting that the commission was dependent on hearsay reports from the interrogators as to what those witnesses actually said.

“We submitted questions for use in the interrogations but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process.”

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Much of that story was derived from the waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was slated to be tried in Manhattan in civilian court until Congress derailed that possibility. As a result, the mystery of what led him from a small North Carolina Baptist college to fight alongside the United States in Afghanistan and then turn against this country may never be known—along with who financed and directed his journey and that of the hijackers he is said to have guided. For a decade, we have been obsessed with a terrorist enemy that we still barely comprehend. Ignorance is not bliss.

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By S. Barksdale, March 9, 2011 at 3:57 pm Link to this comment
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It can’t be done.  Too many evil people in too many high places musn’t be exposed.  Those of us who can think are not in the dark.  We know, or gut, our intellect, the very fiber of our being tells us.  These people are above justice or any law of any land.  If there is a Satan he certainly stalks our land.

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By Lloyd English, March 9, 2011 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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Maybe the truth is just too scary, it seems obvious to many. You won’t get answers by asking the wrong
questions of the complicit. Ask the engineers of the
buildings or firefighters on the scene.

Order out of chaos and where is Osama anyway?

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By moonraven, March 9, 2011 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

What really hacks my butt

about folks like this US government shill,
Scheer,

is that they probably are not even bribed

to write this fatuously jingoist

drivel.

9/11 was coordinated and executed by Dick Cheney:  Motive. means and opportunity—with significant input from Bush padre (follow the money) and his longtime CIA and Mossad compinches.

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By Lex Lightnng, March 9, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment
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Here’s the easy way out of this for those who like the official 911 story.

Go to an airport and get as close to a 575 as you can while imagining it flying [very fast!] into the side of the building you are standing in.

In your mind’s eye, create an entry-hole roughly 20 feet in diameter in the side of the building. Now imagine getting that 575 in through that 20 foot hole-wings and all. While doing this remember that your imaginary plane is in the air so it will be higher that the parked one you are using for reference.

Take a moment now and consider how you think the wings and engine would impact the side building if it smashed into it a great speed. Before moving on think about how much higher the tail of the plane would be than the building you are in if it were flying.

Now go to the Google and seek-out some 911 Pentagon wreckage photos. Only pictures taken before the upper floors collapsed 45 minutes after impact count for this exercise.

Now reference the impact damage you created with your imagination with the pictures of the actual Pentagon crash site.

Come to some conclusions.

If you are feeling some cognitive dissonance at this point, that’s healthy! Let it happen; we’ve all been through it. You’ll make it.

If you believe that the giant plane in front of you could have most certainly sucked its way into a 20 hole leaving all the mortar, stone and window casements in tact please come back and call me the crazy one.


ROBERT SCHEER. I stopped buying the LA TIMES the day they fired you out of protest and I have never bought an issue since. I’m surprised at you.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

Oh yeah, one more rant regarding the rat Scheer:

We must remember folks, these shills like Scheer make their living off of clicks and visitors to their website lacking integrity of journalism.

$$$

And to read Scheer’s words foolishly incriminating ONLY those Saudis on the plane…

Disgusting!

You are disgusting, Scheer the Shill.

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By heavyrunner, March 9, 2011 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

“What led 15 solid citizens of our ally Saudi Arabia to hijack those planes under direction of their Western-educated leaders is still murky. How did our allies in the war against Soviet communism in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, come to mastermind that savage attack on America?”

This statement presupposes that the verdict is already in and that it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that those individuals committed the crimes collectively known as 9/11. But no such proof has been presented, and many of those Saudi commercial airline pilots are still alive and have protested that their names are listed as hijackers because they obviously were not on those planes because they are still alive.

Isn’t it obvious that there is no proof to make a case against the people accused of “masterminding” and otherwise causing the 9/11 crimes? If there is evidence to convict, then bring them to trial. The justice department has money and they can use their funds to bring defendants to trial. They have attorneys to challenge the ridiculous law that supposedly prevents them from bringing the defendants to trial.

The trials are not happening and have not happened for a decade because there is no proof to convict the “suspects.” Mr. Sheer I have a lot of respect for you and your intelligence. I have read your writings for decades. I have a hard time understanding why you do not note the obvious in this case. The government doesn’t dare bring the “suspects” to trial because they can’t prove they did it. Under our Constitution that means that the “suspects” are to be considered innocent.

And they have the right to a speedy trial or release. If we are in a situation where our government is so out of control that they don’t feel obligated to obey the Constitution it means that we have a criminal government and it is our responsibility to overthrow said government by any means available.

Ignoring the Constitution is a more serious crime than killing 3,000 people and blowing up some buildings.

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By capital F, March 9, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment

Any posts I make that call for a calm, rational discussion disappear.  Reminds me of HP and is why I left.  This place is being steered straight into the wackos and the money.  If it is used this way the bloggoshpere will not be the great savior of journalism, it will pour gas on journalism’s coffin and light it on fire. (there, now this one will be posted)

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By drbhelthi, March 9, 2011 at 2:18 pm Link to this comment

@drbhelthi Please read what I wrote, not what I was quoting from
another.  By FRTothus

Agreed. My apology. It was mike789, not FRTothus.
However, even with “knowingly” added, the phrase still does not ring true.

May We assume that mike789 was not in the “control center” of the vessel, after all the enlisted personnel had been ordered out? Considering the history of such operations, it would surprise me if any of the officers in subject are still among the living. Or is mike 789 the only one remaining?

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 2:16 pm Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ, are you being sarcastic and speaking in riddles in your post?

You really believe the BS that Towers 1 & 2 fell due to fuel? 

And you really believe Tower 7 fell because of fallout from 1 or 2 or both of them?

You must be hired by the government to disseminate bad illogical conclusions on forums.  Hope you are happy with your benefits and dinner invitations to ‘stately’ gatherings, you joker.

Look at the buildings IN BETWEEN Tower 7 and 1 and 2.  They were devastated, yet did NOT crumble… even under all the fallout from towers 1 & 2.

They were pulled days later after that day.

Pull your head out of ( the sand ) and smell the coffee, for the people cannot be lied to ANYMORE!

THE GIG IS UP, and the line in the sand has been drawn… and the people see which side the media shills reside on.

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By TDoff, March 9, 2011 at 2:12 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Sheer, If you want to ‘learn the truth about the motives, methods and financing of those who are alleged to have torn at the fabric of our social network’, a full and complete inquiry into the causes of 9/11 is not necessary.

Just read a good treatise on the history of the Bush family/dynasty, and review the perversion of the Republican/‘Conservative’ party over the past half century. Especially the fantasmagorical revisionist ‘analyses’ of the Reagan maladministration. And consider that no criminal charges have been filed against the perpetraitors of the revisions to and depredations of the US government during the period 2000-2008, particularly with respect to the Constitution and Bill of Rights. A perusal of the growth of the corporate/plutocratic state to it’s current domination, in conjunction with AIPAC and other Zionist interests, of the three branches of our ‘government’, would also be informative.

That should satisfy your curious mind.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 2:05 pm Link to this comment

I think Scheer is speaking of himself when he penned the title “Still in the Dark About 9/11.”

You’re still in the dark ( most likely by choice due to your FEAR ).

For if you had any guts ( gonads ), you’d quickly point out Tower 7!  You’d quickly point out the hundreds of witness testimonial of that day caught on video… and those very same people willing to go on camera again, submit affidavits and such.

You are NOT a journalist, but a lackey of the Amerikan Empire…

You make ME SICK!

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 2:01 pm Link to this comment

And if this is the best Scheer can do…?

He is simply waiting for the big payoff / buyout like that shill Huffington received for her compliance to her money masters.

Scheer, hope you enjoy the rest of your days in isolation, for you will have to HIDE from the seekers of justice.

Corporate Shill!

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By JDmysticDJ, March 9, 2011 at 1:34 pm Link to this comment

Hopefully my sarcasm was not oblivious to the oblivious.

NY Times: WTC used UNTESTED technologies, were “A GAMBLE,” “lightweight, almost willowy structures,” with “Buck Rogers quality” and unknown vulnerabilities.

Original Engineer who Built WTC explains: (1) bomb that destroyed Oklahoma City Murrah Building equivalent of 192 liters of jet fuel, while airplanes that hit WTC had 45,600 liters. (2) No building can withstand aircraft impact  

At WTC, Entire Building Shook—Damaged—from aircraft collision and fuel explosion


OBVIOUS Signs of Collapse BEFORE WTC Twin Towers Fell—Collapse COULD NOT be from demolition, because collapse was NOT sudden


The World Trade Center’s Steel Structure Was Buckling [LONG] Before the Collapse

Australian Institute of Steel Construction Explains why the WTC Twin Towers Collapsed: Typical office fire is 1000 degrees Centigrade (1800 degrees Fahrenheit). WTC reached 1200 degrees C (2160 degrees F): “All conventional structural materials woudl be overwhelmed by such a rapid increase in temperature.”

95% of Debris from WTC Collapse fell OUTSIDE of the footprint of WTC

Time Magazine: Aircraft Impact damaged WTC Towers below the impact, below 56th floor: Architect reported: “You could hear the building cracking. It sounded like when you have a bunch of spaghetti, and you break it in half to boil it.”

TIME Magazine reported in Sept 2001: “The floors above where the plane hit—each floor weighing millions of pounds—were resting on steel that was softening from the heat of the burning jet fuel, softening until the girders could no longer bear the load above. “All that steel turns into spaghetti,” explains retired ATF investigator Ronald Baughn. “And then all of a sudden that structure is untenable, and the weight starts bearing down on floors that were not designed to hold that weight, and you start having collapse.”

WTC Steel was examined by Worcester Polytechnic Institute Materials Sciences Professors—WTC Steel was severely DEGRADED by Sulfur-driven Eutectic Reactions

DESIGN DETAILS OF WORLD TRADE CENTER, COMPARED WITH TYPICAL HIGH-RISE BUILDING:
RELATIVELY FLIMSY / WEAK DESIGN OF WTC TWIN TOWERS EXPOSED
The WTC Twin Towers Were Unlike Any Other High Rise Building—Radically Different Design

Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?—Simple Analysis, Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE, 9/13/01, By Zdenek P. Bazant and Yong Zhou

BBC News: An analysis of the World Trade Center collapse has challenged a conspiracy theory surrounding the 9/11 attacks.

Progressive Collapse of the World Trade Centre: a Simple Analysis, by University of Cambridge Engineering Professor Seffen

Structural Fire Response and Probable Collapse Sequence of the World Trade Center Towers: NIST Report

“NIST employs about 2,900 scientists, engineers, technicians, and support and administrative personnel. About 1,800 NIST associates (guest researchers and engineers from American companies and foreign nations) complement the staff. In addition, NIST partners with 1,400 manufacturing specialists and staff at nearly 350 affiliated centers around the country. NIST employs about 2,900 scientists, engineers, technicians, and support and administrative personnel. About 1,800 NIST associates (guest researchers and engineers from American companies and foreign nations) complement the staff. In addition, NIST partners with 1,400 manufacturing specialists and staff at nearly 350 affiliated centers around the country.”
M.I.T. professor of civil and environmental engineering Eduardo Kausel states:
“I believe that the intense heat softened or melted the structural elements—floor trusses and columns—so that they became like chewing gum, and that was enough to trigger the collapse.”

Building 7 was hit by burning debris from the twin towers. Debris from the Twin Towers damaged all of the buildings in the complex, leading to their destruction.

But, but, but, blah, blah, blather, blather.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 9, 2011 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

The insane hate-filled ravings by one here that Jews are aligned with Nazis and the KKK (both of which have always espoused eradicating Jews and enslaving “non-Aryan” peoples) is nothing more than the sign of a sick mind that badly needs help.

But like someone with severe Tourette’s syndrome, we don’t necessarily want ourselves and our children exposed to the vile language.

Get help, fast! You are not far from suggesting that the answer to the world’s problems is to kill all the Jews.

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By gerard, March 9, 2011 at 1:25 pm Link to this comment

And the purpose of Scheer’s article is what?

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By BarbieQue, March 9, 2011 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

DavidByron, March 9 at 5:35 pm

I noticed that.

Do you think it’s better to try to bring people to your side by beating them over their heads, or by treating them with a bit of respect? Which person isn’t going to listen to a thing you say?

>>“Obama has blocked all routes to truth and justice precisely because he doesn’t want it getting out…”<<

Surely you realize that this is mmm… well lets just say I doubt that very many people believe that. Not that it couldn’t be true but sometimes you have to play with the cards you’re dealt.

>>“Pwoggies”<<
Seriously?

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By felicity, March 9, 2011 at 1:11 pm Link to this comment

Interesting conspiracy theories proposed in some of
these posts.  I’m inclined to believe that people in
government (of which there are thousands) are not
that smart and certainly not that able to think much
beyond the ends of their noses.

On the other hand, our government played right into
the hands of AlQaeda - ended up making a guy living
in a cave attended by a few faithful followers into a
household name and a major figure on the world scene.

Revenge, retaliation, renown are the end goals of the
terrorist.  Osama took his revenge, we retaliated big
time (launched two wars) and Osama gained world-wide
renown. What better way to acquire angry (and bored)
living in to-hell-and-gone places to join you than
becoming famous. Thanks, America.

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By Craig Jones, March 9, 2011 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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One helpful way to organize one’s mind about the time line, players, and events regarding this subject is to view the documentary film: 9/11 Press For Truth. It is a remarkable film.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#

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By MeHere, March 9, 2011 at 1:06 pm Link to this comment

Invariably, the criticism of countries that are in turmoil is that they don’t have the
institutions that are needed to build democracies.  But what good is it to have
institutions if people cannot trust them?  In the US we have plenty of institutions
and mechanisms designed to safeguard democracy but they are highly
dysfunctional and exist within a life of their own. 

Judging from just the events of the last few years, who can honestly trust our
institutions in matters of the economy, healthcare, the environment, energy,
foreign policy, justice, elections? No wonder that so many turn to superstition and
wishful thinking—a living example of this is Mr. Scheer’s statement that Obama
deserves credit for “attempting to show the world that truth will prevail….” There
are people in jail who were attempting to do the right thing but ended up being
convicted for committing a crime.

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By balkas, March 9, 2011 at 1:04 pm Link to this comment

u.s., say clergy, ‘educators’, msm editors-columnists, cia, fbi, police, plutos,
army echelons, actors, singers, lawyers, sports people, et al, is governed solely
by laws.
so the only valid question to ask wld be: is u.s. governed by laws that it self
have passed or passes now?

seems to me, the answer is yes—no one from ruling one or two top classes had
ever broken a law in u.s.

and no one ever will. u.s. and constitution and governance derived from the
former are both infallible.

and if nuking japan and invading for no reason whatever afgh’n and iraq doesn’t
prove this what can the poor, servant top classes do to prove it?
thanks for ur Right [right], Left, and Deaf Ear!

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 12:55 pm Link to this comment

BEFORE ANYTHING: What happened to Tower 7?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwSc7NPn8Ok

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By DavidByron, March 9, 2011 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

WTF????

“It must be said that Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court.”

Pitiful.

No worse than that.  This is a direct lie to support the right wing in the US.  Obama has blocked all routes to truth and justice precisely because he doesn’t want it getting out.  When will Pwoggies stand up and demand that the sites they support quit posting right wing lies?

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By DavidByron, March 9, 2011 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

So as usual right off the bat we promote right wing memes:

“to reveal to the world the motives and makeup of those we must defeat”

Meaning Al-Qaeda or whatever.  I am reminded of Muhammad Ali’s “No Vietnamese ever called me a nigger”. 

Al Qaeda never called me nigger.  They didn’t bomb me, they attacked the evil empire that is the rightful enemy of all mankind, but here Scheer seems to take it for granted that as peasants of empire we ought to somehow take it personally when someone bites at the heel of the elites.  Well I don’t.

From what I understand in as much as Al Qaeda exists outside of being a CIA program, they sound like nativist right wingers—natural allies of the empire, and that is what they were of course, although lately “at war” with it.  So while its not exactly true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend here, I am pretty happy if right wing racist forces are fighting each other, and further more, it seems to me that Al Qaeda’s politics may have been dragged to the left as a result of this war.  Of course who knows what is true and what is just more Western elites propaganda when it comes to Al Qaeda.

But surely the idea that “we” must “defeat”  Al Qaeda is a joke.  Whether you see them as true resistance fighters, or disgruntled former employees of empire, or just a CIA strawman “Goldstein” the real enemy remains the US empire and its elites.

As usual I will say: why do Progressives accept articles that promote right-wing memes?

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By Arraya, March 9, 2011 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment

sciencehighway

Nonsensical talking points.  It was managed “blow back” for geo-strategic gain. 
Your creating strawmen and knocking them down. 

But leaving aside for now the ever-thorny matter of divining the varying
proportion of connivance, acquiescence, foreknowledge, exploitation,
incompetence and fate involved in 9/11, we can say this as an established fact:
It is the policy of the United States government to provoke violent extremist
groups into action. Once they are in play, their responses can then be used in
whatever way the government that provoked them sees fit. And we also know
that these provocations are being used, as a matter of deliberate policy, to
rouse violent groups on the “Af-Pak” front to launch terrorist attacks.

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By FRTothus, March 9, 2011 at 12:15 pm Link to this comment

@drbhelthi

Please read what I wrote, not what I was quoting from another.

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By drbhelthi, March 9, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

“As a Navy vet, I can tell you, no Navy officer would ever, ever,
follow an order to target the Pentagon, never! It’s a preposterous
assumption. Go look elsewhere.” By FRTothus

During the period of your service, perhaps.
Thanks for your former, faithful service.
However.
You are over twenty years behind the times.

Generals of the U.S. Army would not put a teenage PFC in isolation, without clothes, without social contact, without the rights of an American, either. During your period of service. Perhaps.

It is now March 09, 2011. Currently, the no-balls, turncoat, U.S. Army generals are attempting to deprive him of his sanity, for having revealed some truth about their incriminating activities.

Bring Frederick out of retirement, and put him in charge of the
Chiefs of Staff.
We would see a return to Americanism.
For a change.

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By sciencehighway, March 9, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

Attractive as conspiracy theories can be (and what’s not fun about an ever-growing do-it-yourself narrative that makes its own gravy even after ten years?), they suffer from two irreducable problems: One, governments are terrible at keeping secrets, especially the kind that require so many loyal citizens to suddenly and murderously turn against the people they’ve pledged to serve and protect; And two, they exist to fill a void, and as with Roswell (denied to protect the then top-hush Project Mogul) or JFK (will we ever know what really happened that day?) much that led to 9/11 has indeed been intentionally deflected at the highest level. IMHO this has not happened to protect the identities of the true culprits (take your pick from a rash of imaginative postings) but, initially at least, to prevent the public from learning how deeply the ties ran between the Saudis (particularly the Bin Laden family) and the Bush dynasty (Fahrenheit 911 made this point admirably) and, later, to keep the the planners’ true motives out of open, public court.
The secondary and in my opinion far greater crime was the reactionary and opportunistic invasion of Iraq and its grotesque aftermath. Given that 9/11 was at least in part (perhaps in toto) a response to America’s perceived arrogance in and towards the Middle East for generations as well as our support of Israel’s on-going Palestinian policies, “They hate us for our freedom” is a far better narrative to feed your dumb-as-dirt majority than the nuanced possibility that we just might be at least morally culpable as a consequence of our slowly-evolving international dealings. These are the simplistic lies that Fox News was invented to deliver. The real tragedy here is that the Obama administration, once in power, came to the same sad, insulting conclusions. History will not look kindly on this generation of leaders.

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By Arraya, March 9, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

There is overwhelming evidence that the Cheney-Bush regime knew in advance
what, when and how the attacks would occur—and that they were allowed to
happen in order to further long standing goals of the military industrial
complex for global empire and a domestic police state. It is also very probable
that the attacks received considerable assistance from elements in the US
military-industrial complex to ensure their success.

The plot was identified in the late 90s(able danger)
Fight school investigations were squashed by senior management
Intelligence was re-focused away from AQ as soon as the Bush Admin took
office
Numerous warning, some very specific leading up to the attack
Multiple war games were set to confuse defenses
We were fed the perps within hours after attack

Along with a long list of other anomalies and evidence of foreknowledge as
well.  Not to mention ample publicly documented motives.

There is no reason the PNAC crew should not be suspect

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By Rixar13, March 9, 2011 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

“But it is not the rights of the accused, important as they are, that should be the main concern here. Rather it is the right—indeed, need—of the American public to learn the truth about the motives, financing and methods of those who are alleged to have torn at the heart of our social fabric.”

Distressing - sigh

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By Robert, March 9, 2011 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

“Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”


@@@@@

Click on links to watch these short videos…

“By way of deception, thou shalt do war”

Motto of the Mossad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh3wo18oDZU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS89vNH-eeY&feature=related

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By Wounded and Dangerous, March 9, 2011 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer, your base is in an obvious state of rebellion. Choose your poison. Will it be the Egyptian method of compliance, or do you prefer the more dramatic Libyan option?

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By prisnersdilema, March 9, 2011 at 10:37 am Link to this comment

Just as sure as E. Howard Hunts death bed video taped confession that he was a part
of the assassination team that killed JFK revealed that we are ruled by a shadow
government unelected by the people, 911 was planned and executed by that same
group. They are willing to kill any number of Americans, indeed any number of innocents
who stand in their way, as witnessed by the number of Americans killed in their for profit
wars, and all the millions of non combatants killed by their lies. They hide their crimes by
spewing forth daily streams of corpratized propaganda and erecting a web of electronic
distortion to hide behind. The Wellsrone, Carnahan, and John Kennedy plane cranes,
are more examples of their work, and willingness to kill. Only an end to secrecy in this
country will save the rest of us from their evil, and that is why the truth about 911 will
remain hidden from our view. Yet viscerally we all know something is quite wrong with
our government.

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By Firsk, March 9, 2011 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

It’s amazing that Mr. Scheer could be so obtuse. In all his vast education, did he never take a single course in Physics? Did he never learn that when a steel building falls at free-fall speed into its own footprint, it means that all the resistance got blown away by explosives? Building 7, which was never hit by a plane, fell straight down in 8 seconds. You don’t have to be Stephen Hawkings to realize that there’s something fishy about that. The airliner that supposedly hit the Pentagon left no major wreckage; no fuselage, no wings, no luggage scattered on the lawn; it didn’t even disturb the lawn. Neither was there any wreckage in Pennsylvania- just some smoke and a crater. Wake up, Mr. Scheer! They’re lying to us! And I mean the government, the media, the people who fired you at the LA Times- the whole stinking, rotten Establishment is lying to us.

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By JDmysticDJ, March 9, 2011 at 10:20 am Link to this comment

Damn you Scheer! How dare you be rational? This was an extreme event and what’s needed is extreme irrationality in order to bring this huge, unfathomable conspiracy into the light of day. Rational thought will never expose the evil genii who conducted a conspiracy of such magnitude.

People not confused by rationality know that the twin towers were brought down by several tons of nano-thermite, smuggled into the twin towers by Mossad agents, with the complicity of U.S. intelligence, The Bush Administration, with the approval Obama, and all members of the U.S. Congress, who are the mere pawns of the secret cabal of evil genii who run this country.

You’re a traitor Scheer, you seek to hide the truth, but if the truth ever sees the light of day, you and your ilk will feel the blade of the guillotine. There is a great purge coming, and when it comes, you’ll rue the day you tried to be rational.

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By Robert, March 9, 2011 at 10:15 am Link to this comment

High-Fivers and Art Student Spies

What Did Israel Know in Advance of the 9/11 Attacks?

By HRISTOPHER KETCHAM


“3/7/07 “Counterpunch”— On the afternoon of September 11, 2001, an FBI bulletin known as a BOLO ­- “be on lookout”—was issued with regard to three suspicious men who that morning were seen leaving the New Jersey waterfront minutes after the first plane hit World Trade Center 1. Law enforcement officers across the New York-New Jersey area were warned in the radio dispatch to watch for a “vehicle possibly related to New York terrorist attack”:

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with ‘Urban Moving Systems’ sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals.

At 3:56 p.m., twenty-five minutes after the issuance of the FBI BOLO, officers with the East Rutherford Police Department stopped the commercial moving van through a trace on the plates. According to the police report, Officer Scott DeCarlo and Sgt. Dennis Rivelli approached the stopped van, demanding that the driver exit the vehicle. The driver, 23-year-old Sivan Kurzberg, refused and “was asked several more times [but] appeared to be fumbling with a black leather fanny pouch type of bag”. With guns drawn, the police then “physically removed” Kurzberg, while four other men ­- two more men had apparently joined the group since the morning ­- were also removed from the van, handcuffed, placed on the grass median and read their Miranda rights.

They had not been told the reasons for their arrest. Yet, according to DeCarlo’s report, “this officer was told without question by the driver [Sivan Kurzberg],‘We are Israeli. We are not your problem.Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.’” Another of the five Israelis, again without prompting, told Officer DeCarlo ­- falsely ­- that “we were on the West Side Highway in New York City during the incident”. From inside the vehicle the officers, who were quickly joined by agents from the FBI, retrieved multiple passports and $4,700 in cash stuffed in a sock. According to New Jersey’s Bergen Record, which on September 12 reported the arrest of the five Israelis, an investigator high up in the Bergen County law enforcement hierarchy stated that officers had also discovered in the vehicle “maps of the city with certain places highlighted. It looked like they’re hooked in with this”, the source told the Record, referring to the 9/11 attacks. “It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park.”

The five men were indeed Israeli citizens. They claimed to be in the country working as movers for Urban Moving Systems Inc., which maintained a warehouse and office in Weehawken, New Jersey. They were held for 71 days in a federal detention center in Brooklyn, New York, during which time they were repeatedly interrogated by FBI and CIA counterterrorism teams, who referred to the men as the “high-fivers” for their celebratory behavior on the New Jersey waterfront. Some were placed in solitary confinement for at least forty days; some were given as many as seven liedetector tests. One of the Israelis, Paul Kurzberg, brother of Sivan, refused to take a lie-detector test for ten weeks. Then he failed it.

Meanwhile, two days after the men were picked up, the owner of Urban Moving Systems, Dominik Suter, a 31- year-old Israeli national, abandoned his business and fled the United States for Israel. Suter’s departure was abrupt, leaving behind coffee cups, sandwiches, cell phones and computers strewn on office tables and thousands of dollars of goods in storage.”

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Click on link for the rest:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm

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By alturn, March 9, 2011 at 10:13 am Link to this comment

The story of 9/11 is no different than the story of the reappearance of the Christ in that both happened, both have had the information obscured by the media, both have ample evidence that there is an untold story to see that most people have no clue about and which the facts, if widely presented, would lead to a dramatic reordering of society’s priorities.  The reality box particularly in America has become so constricted that there is little room left for rational observation to be a foundation for general discussion of anything which the media does not present as ‘true’.

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By Magginkat, March 9, 2011 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

And we’re still in the dark about 9-11. 

Operation Northwoods - revised and carried out with Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., in charge.

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By FRTothus, March 9, 2011 at 9:47 am Link to this comment

@Mike789 (As a Navy vet, I can tell you, no Navy
officer would ever, ever, follow an order to target
the Pentagon, never! It’s a preposterous assumption.
Go look elsewhere.)

I don’t do conspiracy theories.  I do conspiracy
FACTS.

As a 6-year vet myself, I would tend to agree, which
is why I believe so many thoughtful and intelligent
people have difficulty understanding what really took
place that day.  However, apart from the fact that
you are expressing an opinion of yours (widely held)
about the integrity of Naval Officers, you also
dismiss from thought a key aspect of any successful
military operation, which is the role of deception. 
Your statement is thus only correct, if the word
“knowingly” is added, vis:

“...no Navy officer [of any integrity] would ever,
ever, KNOWINGLY follow an order to target the
Pentagon”

The US war against Arabia has been going on for over
500 years.  They have plenty of motive for revenge,
yes, but the means (control of US airwaves) and
opportunity (the cover of US war-game military
exercises involving radar-blip hijacked airlines,
live-fly designated hi-jackers like the CIA’s
Mohammed Attah, passenger planes flying into
buildings, piped-in “live” coverage with cartoons on
TV) belong exclusively to US officials, not the
Israelis, not the Russians, not the Chinese, and not
the Arabs and Persians or the CIA’s own ‘Jason
Bourne’ bin Laden.  What the public was shown on and
from that day are cartoons and TV fakery, as any
first year film student familiar with basic video
techniques can attest.

The US oligarchy also had motive, as PNAC details.

A missile can be re-routed, you know.  It’s not that
hard.

Nano-Thermate is produced under US military contract. 
Someone had access to the WTC to wire that place up. 
Someone had security stand down.

And where is that alleged plane at the Pentagon?  And
the one that got shot down (blown to pieces) all over
Pennsylvania?

And that’s only the head of the rotten fish. 

Sorry, this was NOT the work of outsiders.

Facts are stubborn things.

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By earthwirehead, March 9, 2011 at 9:15 am Link to this comment

...gitmo will close the same day osama bin laden is
‘brought to justice’...it will be an interesting week:
dick cheney and george bush will also stand trial as
war criminals….and hell will freeze over…

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By madisolation, March 9, 2011 at 9:03 am Link to this comment

Whoa! Wait a minute.
“Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court.”
“But faced with a shrill Republican-led opposition in Congress…”
“...the president reluctantly reversed the decision he had made upon taking office to halt military commission trials of those detained at Guantanamo.”
You can NOT start your argument with “Obama really, really wanted to open up the doors to justice, but the Republicans won’t let him, and now Secretary Gates (not Obama, see) has jump-started military tribunals and indefinite detention. You completely discredit yourself and therefore, your argument, when you begin by shilling for Obama.
OBAMA’s secret military tribunals and “keep them locked in cages without trial for the rest of their lives” policies are probably the only proof we’re going to get that 9/11 was a false flag operation carried out by a neocon/neoliberal group in DC. The fact that they are doing everything in secret, like a cat covering its shit, tells you something is rotten in Washington.
Those neocon/neolib psychos thought three thousands dead Americans was a small price to pay if they could get the entire population scream for war and more war. After all, there were trillions of dollars to be stolen and absolute power over citizens to be had. Once the decision was made, it was a cake walk for them to implement.
Nobody in Washington who knows is going to suddenly reveal what went on. Maybe Anonymous or Wikileaks can come up with some evidence. Otherwise, barring a trial in the Hague, we’ll never know for sure.

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By Mike789, March 9, 2011 at 8:52 am Link to this comment

All the conspiracy theorists should have the gumption to read the expose’ by Peter Lance, “Triple Cross”.
It’s not an easy read. Rather, it is quite complex. Just like real life.

(As a Navy vet, I can tell you, no Navy officer would ever, ever, follow an order to target the Pentagon, never! It’s a preposterous assumption. Go look elsewhere.)

Yes there was a conspiracy. Not to down the towers,  but by various governmental officers and attorneys in State, Justice, FBI and CIA, each having special interests in preventing one another to move forward in a comprehensive way. It goes far beyond the stove-piping discribed in the 9/11 report. Lance’s sources are real people who witnessed the lead up to and aftermath of the event. The intel was there for many years and it should have added up

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By Wounded and Dangerous, March 9, 2011 at 8:37 am Link to this comment

Mr. Scheer,

I know that you cannot even talk about the 9/11 event on the mainstream media for fear of censorship. That is how afraid of the issue they are - and complicit - in the continuing coverup of events on that day.

I thought this was a different kind of place and I expected a lot more from your take on the issue that will never die until investigated properly and, hopefully, resolved in some sort of satisfactory manner.

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By Big B, March 9, 2011 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Sorry, forgot to hit spellcheck.

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By Big B, March 9, 2011 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

When a cop shouts “move along, nothing to see here”, there is usually something to see.

Conspiracy theorists are not, as the MSM portrays them, potheads wearing tinfoil hats (OK, a few are) but just because you are a little paranoid does not mean that they aren’t out to get you.

The US government has been screaming “nothing to see here!” since 9/11, and by doing so has invited more and more scrutiny. The real info on 9/11 is probably pretty pedestrian stuff, but maybe, just maybe, it isn’t. After all, who would have thought that a sitting american president would authorize the illegal sale of arms to an enemy? That a president would order the sabotage of his opponent by breaking in to his party offices just monthe before an election. Or a president that fakes a navel attack to force america into an il advised war (TWICE). Another bule ribbon commission investigates then seals for fifty years the records of a presidential assassination. A president knows that an attack on a military outpost in the pacific is immenent, but does nothing about it in an attempt to force his nation into war as a martyr (sound familier?)

There are indeed accidents and happenstance that occure every day, but life is conspiratorial in nature. It always has been. And to suggest that 9/11 could not have been an inside job, under the current circumstances, is nieve at best.

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By FRTothus, March 9, 2011 at 6:59 am Link to this comment

9/11 was an inside job.  The intellectually lazy Mr
Scheer must count himself among those who are “still in
the dark” about this false-flag operation, as he
remains stubbornly attached to the official fable of
hi-jackers with box cutters and passenger planes flying
into buildings.  The display of such profound and
willful ignorance calls into serious question Mr
Scheer’s capacity for independent, and indeed,
rational, thought.

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By BarbieQue, March 9, 2011 at 5:57 am Link to this comment

RS>>”...Ignorance is not bliss.”<<

To some, keeping others ignorant *is* bliss.

Here’s what Michael Scheuer, PhD –

(Former Chief of the CIA’s bin Laden unit, the Osama bin Laden tracking unit at the Counterterrorism Center 1996 - 1999)

has to say about the 9/11 commission—-

Interviewed by Judge Andrew Napolitano on Fox News 10/9/10 (clip link below):

Michael Scheuer:  What (he) is absolutely correct on is that the 9/11 Commission and the Commissioners themselves were just there to whitewash it.  They were blessed with the most brilliant staff you could imagine.  But as Commissioners they were clearly there to not let the American people know what happened before 9/11.

Judge Napolitano:  Was the 9/11 Commission report a whitewash as Colonel Shaffer says and as one of the 9/11 Commissioners to whom he spoke, and you heard him talk about this person, pretty much agrees?

Michael Scheuer:  It was a whitewash and a lie from top to bottom, Judge

Judge Napolitano:  What do you mean “a lie from top to bottom”, Michael?

Michael Scheuer:  Well in my own case, sir, the Agency officers who were involved before 9/11 in chasing bin Laden decided that we could not simply testify under oath without providing supporting documentation. And so all of us, both testified under oath.  I did, I think three times and provided documents.  I provided myself, let me speak just for myself here, Judge,  I provided a three inch binder with over 400 pages of documentation—not my notes, but official government documents about the failures before 9/11.  I never heard one word back from Zelikow.  And I approached Zelikow. He asked me for the notebook.  I told him it was available. He asked me for it and he never got in touch to talk about one page of material.

Judge Napolitano:  You obviously know what was in the loose leaf and I know you read the 9/11 Commission report.  Did anything from the loose leaf make its way into the final report?

Michael Scheuer:  ... Not the important stuff.  The important stuff did not. ...(more)

Begins @9:00 on the video at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9DQ4EpgYzY

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer


Many more credible questions from very credible people available at this link:
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

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By drbhelthi, March 9, 2011 at 5:26 am Link to this comment

Perhaps it is time for the world to learn and comprehend the difference between Ashkenazim-Zionists and genuine folk who practice the Jewish belief.

The Ashkenazim-Zionists either own or hold membership in the “Hitler society,” and control the Federal Reserve. They own the totem pole to which all stupid-behaving, 2008 U.S. presidential candidates ran to worship and beg support. This KLAN influences U.S. Congress decisions made for the U.S.Military, and the trillions of dollars doled out in all directions. It continues a fifteen-million dollar plus, daily stipend to its accounts from the U.S. Treasury. Through its MOSSAD, it claims to have spared the U.S. of a nuclear attack, strengthening ingratiation of U.S.Gov “leadership.” Its MOSSAD is alleged to have set the special-type, steel-melting, fission materials in the Twin Towers and third building. This Klan influenced the stand-down of the USAF during the alleged “airliner attack” on the World Trade Center, 9-11. Whether this Klan made the decision to fire the Tomahawk into the Pentagon from a U.S. naval vessel remains in question; obviously, it did not prevent the firing. I suspect the MOSSAD wired the shorts of the Moslem youth in the 25 Dec.2009, Amsterdam-Detroit Metro airport, Northwest Flight 253, falsely described as a failed al-Qaeda bombing attempt.  The event was a successful, bombing scare that was pulled off as planned.

The GHWBush entourage misused the falsified WMD info as the basis of the attack on Iraq. Simultaneously, Bush initiated a defamation campaign against former ambassador Wilson. Typically sneaky, Bush´s imps defamed ambassador Wilson´s wife, Valerie Plame Wilson. A
subsequent defamation campaign was initiated against Scott Ritter. Similarly, alleged MOSSAD officer Michael Chertoff used the 25Dec2009 event as a springboard to sell back to the USGov, the C.I.A. see-thru-concrete machines. Which machines damage human DNA, bony structures and neural connections in the nerve system.

The GHWBushSr entourage: the nemesis of freedom.
Ashkenazim-Zionist imperialism, currently labled American Democracy.

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