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Posted on Mar 9, 2011
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A trailer set up as a military hearing room for detainees in 2006 at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

By Robert Scheer

Ignorance is the real victor in the president’s reluctant decision to abandon the effort to bring the alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attack to account in civilian court. The significance of a fair and public trial would be to reveal to the world the motives and makeup of those we must defeat, and yet the very people in this country who claim to be the most militant in combating terrorism have been the most energetic and effective in stifling that inquiry.

It must be said that Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court. But faced with a shrill Republican-led opposition in Congress that succeeded in banning the trials on U.S. soil, the president reluctantly reversed the decision he had made upon taking office to halt military commission trials of those detained at Guantanamo. The announcement Monday by Defense Secretary Robert Gates rescinding the ban on the military trials also called for the indefinite imprisonment of those Guantanamo inmates thought to be too dangerous to be released but against whom the government doesn’t have enough evidence to obtain convictions. The shortcomings of the military commission trials was denounced by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who said such proceedings fall “far short of core constitutional values by failing to provide judicial review of cases considered by the review board’ and to guarantee “meaningful assistance of counsel” to those accused.

But it is not the rights of the accused, important as they are, that should be the main concern here. Rather it is the right—indeed, need—of the American public to learn the truth about the motives, financing and methods of those who are alleged to have torn at the heart of our social fabric. What led 15 solid citizens of our ally Saudi Arabia to hijack those planes under direction of their Western-educated leaders is still murky. How did our allies in the war against Soviet communism in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, come to mastermind that savage attack on America? It is startling that, almost a decade after the attack, we still must rely for our understanding of what happened on a narrative informed not by the full disclosure revealed by the evaluation of a vetted record and robust cross-examination in open court of the key witnesses but rather by the unexamined and unquestioned reckoning of the facts supplied by the government officials who interrogated and indeed tortured the prisoners, most significantly Mohammed.

What the public has been led to believe about the events of 9/11 is most fully encapsulated in the report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, appointed by President George W. Bush. But the Bush administration denied the commission access to the prisoners whose testimony, elicited after torture, provided the basic narrative as to how Sept. 11, 2001, came to be. That fatal flaw in the investigation was clearly conceded in a box on Page 146 of the official 9/11 Commission report containing a disclaimer that the key chapters “rely heavily on information from captured al Qaeda members” and admitting that the commission was dependent on hearsay reports from the interrogators as to what those witnesses actually said.

“We submitted questions for use in the interrogations but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process.”

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By RayLan, March 11, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

The last thing that the US administration is interested in is the truth. It has been lying to us for decades. The attack was a travesty of national security. The US is so much better at pre-emptive aggression than protecting its citizens.
The big scandal of course is that Iraq had nothing to do with the destruction of the WTC. Afghanistan didn’t either, except it is the camp of the Taliban. The Taliban didn’t cooperate in delivering Bin Laden and that was enough reason to engage in a long exhausting war.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 8:32 am Link to this comment

There is no indication nuclear bombs were used to destroy the towers in NY. A
radiological signature would have been detected if anything of the sort was
involved. No such signature exists.

There are no tenable “zionist” connections to the events of 9/11.

Some academics tried to argue that a space-based weapon was used on the
towers. No evidence for that exists, and those claims have been laid to rest.

Exotic theories generally give way to cold hard facts. Measuring the free fall,
symmetrical collapse of Building 7 is a cold hard fact. Corroboration of a couple
hundred eyewitness accounts of massive explosions throughout the buildings
prior to collapse does not prove causation, but the corroboration points in a
very definite direction and its correlation with other cold hard evidence, finding
unexploded nanothermite in the dust, for instance, makes for a much more
convincing argument than exotic weapons in space, or the easily detectable
radiological signature of a nuclear device.

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By drbhelthi, March 11, 2011 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

“It’s amazing to me how people can’t recognize that terrorist acts have been going on since the invention of civilizations.”

Perhaps people (Americans & Europeans) recognize it, and want 9-11
publicly, honestly clarified. The destruction of the three buildings in NYC and the Sears Tower in Chicago is a first. Never before has one political family of the U.S. allied with a foreign power, and permitted its agents to use nuclear bombs to demolish four “landmark” buildings inside the U.S.A.  http://www.911thology.cn/911thology.html

The depressive effect on Americans of the destruction of four landmarks, was not what the GHWBushSr/zionist entourage had hoped for.  The dastardly collaboration with the enemy, and punishment of the instigators, is required.

Meanwhile, a few thousand genuine Americans cry in their sleep at night, because the GHWBushSr/zionist entourage has nullified their charter under the U.S.Constitution.

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By diamond, March 11, 2011 at 4:33 am Link to this comment

“Get help, fast! You are not far from suggesting that the answer to the world’s problems is to kill all the Jews.”

What on earth are you talking about? The people who don’t care about killing other people are the right, in particular the neo cons.  If you knew anything about the committee called ‘Clear and Present Danger’ which included neo cons such as Richard Perle among its members, then you would also know that these fascists believe nuclear war is survivable. The ultimate use of their ‘pre-emptive’ attack doctrine is to launch a pre-emptive nuclear attack. They believe that the nuclear response to such an attack from Russia (as they imagined when they formed the committee in the eighties) would ‘only’ kill 20 million Americans. One of these stalwarts was interviewed by Robert Scheer when he worked for the ‘Los Angeles Times’ in 1981. Undersecretary of Defense in the Reagan administration, Thomas K. Jones, caused an outcry when he explained to Scheer that nuclear war was not as devastating as people had been led to believe, and America could recover from an all-out nuclear attack in ‘two to four years’:

“As long as there are enough shovels to go around, everybody’s going to make it” Jones asserted coolly.

The shovels in question were for digging holes in the ground that were to be topped with a slab of wood covered with dirt.
“It’s the dirt that does it,” Jones explained for the skeptical.
( ‘Private Warriors, p. 239, Ken Silverstein).

So it’s not as if Scheer can be completely naive on what these psychopaths are like. How hard would it be for people who are happy to see 20 million Americans die so the world can be the way they think it should, to knock down three buildings with explosives and attack the Pentagon to get rid of those pesky auditors? 3,000 deaths are nothing to people like this and they also sent the anthrax letters, which involved putting weaponized anthrax in the mail to Senators and media outlets. Think about it. And we’re supposed to believe they are incapable of organizing and carrying out the 9/11 operation? I find the thinking of those who deny that it was a government operation almost comical - it proves that some people are so stupid they will believe anything they’re told even when their own commonsense contradicts it.

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By chip, March 11, 2011 at 3:37 am Link to this comment

I watched a show called “American Greed” on CNBC the other day it was about a stock trader named Anthony Elgindy.
He attempted to liquidate all his stock including his childrens equity accounts on 9-10-01 saying
“The market was done”.

It turned out Elgindy was getting his info from a FBI agent who worked Indian reservations in New Mexico named Jeff Royer.

Royer was getting info from restricted, highly confidential FBI data bases.

They were charged with inside trading, racketeering and obstruction of justice.

Elgindy got convicted of insider trading, racketeering and extortion.

Jeffrey Royer (FBI dude)was found guilty of Racketeering, securities fraud, obstruction of justice and witness tampering.

Elgindy got 11 yrs.
Royer got 6 yrs.
 
CNBC was denied access to interview Elgindy.

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By mrfreeze, March 11, 2011 at 2:59 am Link to this comment

To this day I can’t understand why Americans are still obsessed about 9/11. It was a tragedy but not, by any measure, as big a tragedy as the ridiculous and foolish response to it: the attack on Iraq, the creation of a larger government (to protect us…ya, right), the uber-growth of the Military industrial complex, the lies, the hysteria and the ongoing paranoia….......“America the Pussyland!”

It’s amazing to me how people can’t recognize that terrorist acts have been going on since the invention of civilizations. Why do Americans think that this would not ever happen here?

Frankly, I’m sick and tired of revisiting 9/11.

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By Psychobabbler, March 11, 2011 at 2:54 am Link to this comment

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

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By gerard, March 11, 2011 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

Riffing through a couple hundred diametrically opposed comments as to who was responsible for 9/11, I can only assume that, whatever Scheer’s purpose for giving us the opportunity for this rehash, all it accomplished was more divisiveness and free-floating anger—a service to noone. Only stirring the ashes of a terrible trauma not unlike memorializing the trauma of the Holocaust.  Not unlike the trauma being endlessly suffered now by Iraqis. by Afghanis, by African women raped as war trophies by the thousands, by men tortured at Guantanamo and AbuGhraib. 
  It’s a wonder we don’t all go stark raving mad—especially us old fogies who see our lives wasted because we let these things happen by omission and by commission.
  Personally, the only thing I can see to do is to acknowledge my mistakes, our crimes as a nation,
and do whatever we can, no matter how insignificant or how difficult, to work for a better world.

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind,  Mossad does not equal “The Jews”.  CIA-Mossad-M16 all
kind of blend together-anyway.  I think your fear of people making the
equation is fair but the answer is not to deny intelligence involvement and
obvious benefits. 


9-11 turned into a business boom for Israel and saved their economy. 

Naomi Klein “Shock Doctrine”

With the most tech-dependent economy in the world, Israel was hit harder by the dot-com crash than anywhere else. The country went into immediate free-fall, and by June 2001, analysts were predicting that roughly three hundred high-tech Israeli firms would go bankrupt.. .”

How did Israel avoid economic collapse? Klein continues:

“The only reason the recession was not even worse, the [Tel-Aviv Globe] observed, was that the Israeli government quickly intervened [during the run-up to 9/11] with a powerful 10.7 percent increase in military spending, partially funded through cutbacks in social services. The government also encouraged the tech industry to branch out from information and
communication technologies and into security and surveillance.
In this period, the Israeli Defence Forces played a role similar to a business incubator. Young Israeli soldiers experimented with network systems and surveillan ce
devices while they fulfilled their mandatory military service, then turned their findings into business plans when they returned to civilian life. A slew of new start-ups were launched, specializing in everything from ‘search and nail’ data-mining, to surveillan ce cameras, to terrorist profiling. When the market for these services and devices exploded in the years after September 11, the Israeli state openly embraced a new national economic vision: the growth provided by the dot-com bubble would be replaced with a homeland security boom.” (Klein, The Shock Doctrine, )”

Looks like it was good for Israel on two fronts. Business and public opinion. 

Report: Netanyahu says 9/11 terror attacks good for Israel ...
Apr 16, 2008 ... According to Ma’ariv, Netanyahu said Israel is ‘benefiting from attack’ as it ’ swung American public opinion.’
http://www.haaretz.com/.../report-netanyahu-says-9-11-terror-attacks-good-for- israel-1.244044 -

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By prisnersdilema, March 11, 2011 at 1:01 am Link to this comment

People should realize at this point, that the plutocracy who rules, us and owns our government views the people of this country as expendable.  Without any worth except as a commodity, to be bought and sold, and disposed of once we have outlived our worth to them.

Conservatives, are the front, for their actions, and have acted over the last 40 years to devalue, those outside of the plutocratic class. Further to prevent any legal redress we may have had against them, to separate us from our government, and through secrecy, subterfuge, and when that failed out right murder, to prevent us from ever gaining the initiative against them.

And if we continued to believe that they will nicely, yield to us through the political process, then we will end up witnessing our own demise and the demise of our children at their hands.

This is the lesson of 911, that they will blatantly kill, men women and children, and hide behind a wall of secrecy, believing they are secure against us the people of this country. 

Creating a web of lies, distortion and disinformation, while destroying this country piece by piece, all the while increasing their own wealth many times over.

Their criminal enterprise must not be allowed to snuff out freedom, in the wallow of their pig trough. 

While you may disagree, with the road we took to get here, the end result is the same,  the destruction and enslavement of the American people by the plutocracy.

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By ChaviztaKing, March 11, 2011 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

THE MOTIVE BEHIND 9-11

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#motive911

Realization of the goals as formulated in the policy paper Clean Break, as well as the realization of the goals of the Project of the New American Century. It all comes down to the strengthening of the American global supremacy by creating an excuse for obtaining a larger military presence in the Middle East where some 60 percent of the global oil reserves are located (PNAC-goal), as well as improvement of the geostrategic position of Israel by eliminating its most important enemies (Iraq, Iran, Syria –> Clean Break-goal). The link with oil explains why people like Dick Cheney were on-board, somebody who made his career in the oil business and perfectly understood that oil was becoming scarce in the near future (‘peak-oil’). For the rest it would be a mistake to perceive a too-big-a-difference between the American and Jewish/Israeli interests, since the Jews constitute without competition the dominant class in the US, who hold all the levers to power: the visual and written media, the FED, Wallstreet, think tanks (AEI for instance), Hollywood, plus a large amount of organizations that cement the power of the Jews (AIPAC and ADL as important examples). The circumstance that de facto American politics (Dems plus Reps) is controlled by the Jews was until recently only said aloud by the extreme Right, now this insight starts to be realized by the Left as well, mainly because of the work of Mearsheimer and Walt (in the Netherlands brought under the attention by the leftwing broadcasting organization VPRO, see the English spoken ‘Tegenlicht’ documentary ‘The Israel Lobby’). That the Iraq-war was initiated by the (Jewish dominated) Neocon-movement, is so obvious that almost nobody denies that anymore.


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By plainsman, March 11, 2011 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

TAO Walker,

I admire your persistence, patience, and perseverance.

As for me, I’m out of here. This website is bogus.

Plainsman

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By Wounded and Dangerous, March 11, 2011 at 12:02 am Link to this comment

If the Arabs are so wonderful in their ability to penetrate the great American security complex then why don’t they do it again?  If I was an Arab terrorist that is what I would do just to teach my enemies a lesson and show them who is boss. Hubris is a human trait when you are on the top of the world. Why should Arab terrorists act any differently?

If you think my logic is faulty then ask yourself why has not the US visited the moon again in human form, or better yet, why not Mars?

American is a great country with a wonderful security apparatus.  Except, the Arabs are a whole lot better, because look at what they did. They do not have to do it again right, because they proved their point. They beat the system and they made a whole lot of people a pile of money in the process. Who said they weren’t team players eh?  When you care you share.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 11:57 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind, personally I’ve never really thought that Moussad had much to
do with it. Others say they think this, but other than the infamous “dancing
Israelis,” I have never seen much to support that claim.

As far as jet fuel burning the temper out of the steel, the fires in WTC 1 and 2
were confined to the damage area, a little below and the floors above. If any
temper was burned out of the steel it only occurred in those areas. The rest of
the building was as tempered as the day it was built. How 13 floors in one
building, or around 22 in the other could catastrophically pulverize the intact,
stable lower 90% of the building is shown by the Chandler links below to be
physically impossible give the measured rate of acceleration. Another source of
energy besides fire-weakened steel columns failing was necessary to pulverize
all of the concrete and office materials into a fine, powered dust. Gravity just
doesn’t have that energy potential.

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By krew09, March 10, 2011 at 11:31 pm Link to this comment

Ignorance is the problem. Over a decade later,it is sad to see that some people still think al-Qaeda pulled off 911.  This is why Americans are considered the most uninformed and propagandized people on earth.  Good grief, these accused al-qaeda hijackers have turned up alive and well,reported throughout the world, major European media outlets,lolol,of course here in America you have corporate media and FCC controlled radio. What exactly is it your waiting for??/The 911 trials?..lol gimmy a break,here in reality we are loosing our rights under the Patriot B.S. Act…..meanwhile our borders are wide open.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 10, 2011 at 11:28 pm Link to this comment

JD,
I count at least 20 conspiracy crackpots who would rather believe Mossad, the agency of an ally that ABSOLUTELY must have our support to survive, engineered the worst attack ever on our nation, knowing that if discovered it would probably mean the end of that nation.  Yet they (supposedly) did it anyway, despite the insane risk.

Your facts will be discounted.  You’ll be told jet fuel in a confined space doesn’t burn hot enough to burn the temper out of steel. You’ll be told about all sorts of shit that defies logic and sanity. 

You’ll be told that the people with the BEST motive for the attack didn’t do it, and the people with the MOST to lose from the attack did.  And, of course, they are the evil, insane, demonic Jews.

You will get as far with them as you will with the birthers…no where.

You are arguing with fools.

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By TAO Walker, March 10, 2011 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

Whatever else might be “true” about 9/11, the magnitude and complexity and graphically-amplified horror of the ‘event’ has plainly frozen most of theamericanpeople (including many of those participating in this discussion here) into a kind of obsessive-compulsive psycho-emotional catatonia.  The visually-recorded and immediately-televised public executions of John F. and Robert F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, had the same shock-inducing effect on an earlier generation….who have collectively never really recovered from the trauma, and who still suffer from what is, in-fact and in-effect, a mass-case of clinical PTSD. 

The U.S. Government’s (again mass-media-disseminated) incineration of women and children at Waco, and the eerily similar (to the WTC buildings) destruction of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (with its gruesome “audio-visuals”) can only have intensified this societal distress, and driven it even deeper into peoples’ stricken psyches.  Feeling more-and-more at the dubious “mercy” of agencies and forces beyond both their ken and control, seems also to’ve instilled in those subjected to this plainly orchestrated process a kind of mass Stockholm-syndrome, compounding the chronic CONfusion and acute disaffection already keeping them from seeing, all together, any Way clear of their “individual”-ized captivity and its institutionally-enforced abuses and degradations.     

It seems only sensible, given the long history of professionally-engineered-and-CONducted psy-ops, both commercial and official, carried-out CONtinuously under the ruthless sponsorship of the plutoligarchy keeping their subjects/citizens under CONtrol (and eminently exploitable for family fun and private profit), to at-least grant the plausibility of these sorts of things occurring much more often by design and intent, then by happenstance….or even randomly and supposedly at the “evil” hands of those with ostensibly more-than-sufficient cause to visit on USA’ns (and their imperialist co-CONspirators in Britain and elsewhere) a little of the violence these complicit “huddled masses” underwrite half-wittingly all around the world.

Many here seem virtually hypnotized by both the terrifying spectacle itself and the subsequent socio-political and eCONomic “fallout” of the 9/11 operation.  It’s not even possible that inducing this sense of helplessness in “the viewing public” was not a major goal of those who staged it.   

Who benefits?  Who pays?  Whose agendas are furthered?  Whose “resources” are rendered vulnerable to armed-force-abetted corporate expropriation?  What suspected potential resistance (to the “globalist” gulag regime’s program) is being “struck” preemptively?  These are among the ‘tracks’ always left by any such action….and discernible even in all the smoke-and-mirrors of the always-accompanying (and perpetually on-going) cover-up.

At this point, the motives of Robert Scheer for throwing this “red-meat” to his readers right now, perhaps deserving of some skeptical examination, seems much less worthy of precious attention, though, than do the divisive ‘dynamics’ of its visible affects among those readers. Being so easily jerked-around by their mostly-manufactured-anyhow emotions is probably something sensible Persons and Peoples would recommend their domesticated Sisters and Brothers get together and get altogether free-of….immediately.

The “bait” IS the trap.

HokaHey!

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 11:14 pm Link to this comment

If the perps behind the anthrax attacks are the same as behind the plane
attacks and destruction of the towers, another error may have been in the
failure to make the Muslim extremist connection in the anthrax attacks as
successfully as happened with the other attacks. The anthrax letters were
crafted to try to assign blame but because the science surrounding the anthrax
relatively quickly led investigators away from that conspiracy theory toward
where the anthrax actually came from, a government lab.

NIST has been involved for 2 or 3 decades in both internal labs and through
military contractors in research on nanothermite and similar high tech
incendiaries. They are very familiar with the material. It is made in stable forms
that can be painted or dipped onto surfaces, remaining stable at room temps.
The only place to obtain this material is through a government lab, or a military
contractor. A curious coincidence perhaps.

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By ChaviztaKing, March 10, 2011 at 9:41 pm Link to this comment

9/11 operational errors

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#errors

From the standpoint of the organizers 9/11 can be considered a huge succes. The ‘Pearl-Harbor-event’ did work out as planned and less than 2 years later a large army invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein. And almost the whole world bought the ‘arabs-did-it’-story.

Nevertheless a lot went wrong. Only WTC-1/2 were a success. That’s why we had these ‘dancing Israelis’ in the first place, these guys that had spent the weekend before 9/11 planting demolition charges inthese buildings.

Flat-out wrong went flights 77 and 93. That flight77 went wrong was the reason why all these FBI-agents had to confiscate all these video’s recorded by security camera’s in the neighbourhood of the Pentagon. These video’s would have made clear that no plane hit the Pentagon whatsoever and that the exposion had originated from the inside of the Pentagon, which would have killed the Arabs-did-it-myth. If flight77 had made it until the Pentagon than no confiscation would have taken place and we all had seen these impact pictures from years on end just like those from WTC-1/2.

UA93 probably was shotdown in midair. Reason: flight93 had an unforseen delay of 41 minutes. Because of this the other 3 flights got so much of a headstart that by the time that WTC-1/2 had been hit and the explosion at the Pentagon had taken place the whole country knew that the US was under attack. So the surprise effect had gone. The pilot of the military jet probably got orders to shoot the plane down after is was clear that the plane was not responding and had turned into a flying bom.

Another blooper was WTC-7. There was no reason whatsoever for this building to implode as a result of external damage. More than WTC-1/2 it was obvious to many that WTC-7 had been brought down by controlled demolition. That the BBC brought a story that WTC-7 had collapsed while the building was still to be seen behind the BBC-reported increased the suspicion that WTC-7 had been a staged event. It is not clear why this building had to be brought down. Suggestions were that WTC-7 had served as a command and control center for 9/11. Maybe flight93 or a fifth airplane had been scheduled for WTC-7 but did not make it to the buildings. Or maybe the North Tower was intended to tilt northwards to fall on WTC-7. We do not know.

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By ChaviztaKing, March 10, 2011 at 9:12 pm Link to this comment

The US government is the most satanic terrorist institution of all human history. The US government did 9-11 and killed 4000 people.  Here is a link an article about how 9-11 was done:

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/

9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.

Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11.

Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed.

Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.

The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

The Bush torture regime, arguably out in plain sight, and the lawyers that crafted
the legal smokescreen for the regime, can not be brought to justice. How much
less likely those most responsible in that administration will be brought to justice
for 9/11. Doesn’t stop me from pointing out the obvious though.

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By prisnersdilema, March 10, 2011 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Like the Kennedy assignation what caused the 911 building collapse will be argued
about for generations to come. Just as the Warren commission never never resolved the
issues around Kennedy’s assignation.  There will never be any satisfying answers to
what happened that day. Many millions will accept the governments version of what
happened. They have to. Because to believe that our own government would murder
thousands, to justify a war in which to murder thousands, is something they cannot
accept, without taking action. But against who? But look around, beyond 911 this
country is being systematically destroyed by someone, it’s people forced to live a life of
peonage. While only 400 people in this country have more wealth than the bottom 50%
of the population.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 5:51 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, I should add that the fires in WTC 1 and 2 were confined to the
areas of damage, ie, a few floors below where jet fuel WAS able to seep and
ignite, and the floors above the crash zone. The vast majority of the rest of the
building was standing perfectly intact, if, that is, the official explanation is
correct. What the eyewitnesses say however is an entirely different story.
Eyewitnesses tell of explosions in the deepest subbasement levels, and all
through the buildings. Caused by what?

Jet fuel seeping through out the buildings, evaporating sufficiently high
concentration in air to explode when ignited? Do you have any idea how
unlikely such a thing would be?

The NCSTAR 1 report has a calculation that estimated how much jet fuel initially
ignited in the first fireballs that are seen in videos. Most of the jet fuel ignited
outside the building, about half. A portion of the remaining jet fuel ignited
inside the building in those first seconds, but quickly burned out as the oxygen
was used up. They do this calculation. The remaining amount of jet fuel
according the NIST’s own calculations was estimated to be about 1000 cubic
feet of fuel. This is the equivalent of an 18 ft diameter swimming pool with a
depth of 4 ft.

I can not believe that amount of jet fuel seeped through out the building,
evaporated to a sufficiently high enough concentration and ignited with
explosive force killing people on the ground floor in front of an elevator bank
BEFORE the firefighters even entered the lobby, or causing fireballs to be seen
in the deepest subbasements. Fireballs in the deepest subbasements is also
reported in the NCSTAR 1 report from interviews that NIST did with people who
escaped the building in the first 5 to 8 minutes after the plane struck the first
tower.

The official story is a farce, a cover up, a bald-faced lie.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 5:32 pm Link to this comment

Blackspeare, your comment about momentum is a non sequitur. In the
demonstration showing WTC 1 collapsing only 36% of the weight of the upper
block was exerting force on the intact building below it, as derived from the
downward velocity of the roofline. Momentum is the product of mass and
velocity. The diminishing mass of the block as it disintegrated certainly did not
possess the momentum to do anything to the lower intact building. Chandler
points this out when explaining if the mass of the block suddenly struck the
intact building below you would see the reactive force of the intact building
pushing back on the mass of the block and the graph of downward velocity
would register that reactive force. What you see, however, is continuous
acceleration.

The argument about the fire proofing is also a non sequitur. There is absolutely
no reason why those buildings should not be standing today. The fires burned
all of the fuel in one area and moved on. The NIST simulations in this regard are
also reasonably good, given relatively accurate estimations of the amount of
fuel available to burn.

The massive core columns would have easily distributed the heat from the fires
which MIT prof Thomas Eagar said:

“The temperature of the fires at the WTC was not unusual, and it was most
definitely not capable of melting steel… …The maximum flame temperature
increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1000C –
hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1500C.”
“…But is it very difficult to reach this maximum temperature with a diffuse
flame. There is nothing to ensure that the fuel and air in a diffuse flame are
mixed in the best ratio… This is why the temperatures in a residential fire are
usually in the 500 to 650C range. It is known that the WTC fire was a fuel-rich,
diffuse flame as evidenced by the copious black smoke.”

The fires were not unusual or sufficient to cause catastrophic, sudden failure as
is seen in Chandler’s video. The mass of the block was not sufficient to effect in
any way the rest of the intact building below it. What did take place was invoked
by other much greater forces than gravity on a block exerting 36% of its mass
on the lower building. The 118 eyewitnesses to explosions, some massive,
much more massive than transformers bursting in fires or falling elevators, or
smoke eruptions, indicate that much, much more was going on in the buildings
than gravity causing the upper block to pulverize the rest of the building to
fine, powered dust.

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By diamond, March 10, 2011 at 5:29 pm Link to this comment

“By freeing them.  Its costing money to keep them there, not to let them go, dumbass.  They are political prisoners.  They are not charged with any crime.  The only legal and moral course of action is to release the political prisoners.”

And how long do you think it would take the CIA to organize another terror attack if Obama ‘freed them’? You don’t have to convince me they’re political prisoners: I’ve been saying that for years and been viciously mocked for it, too. The fact is, Obama doesn’t have the power to simply free any prisoner, especially ‘terror suspects’ and especially ones that haven’t been charged or put on trial. It’s not like freeing the slaves: this is a legal nightmare that the neo cons have created for anyone who tries to dismantle their torture and false imprisonment regime. The other salient fact here, is that if most of these people still held in Guantanamo were put on trial on the mainland in a normal court of law a lot of very damaging stuff could come about 9/11 and the ‘war on terror’ and most especially how the 9/11 operation was financed. There is some very damming evidence around of heavy Saudi involvement in the financing of 9/11 and some of those ‘known knowns’ that Rumsfeld was always bleating about, like the 2.3 trillion dollars that Rumsfeld announced was missing from the Pentagon on the 10th September 2001, the day before the shit hit the fan. Financial known knowns that mysteriously were never investigated or shut down. The only investigation of where that money from the Pentagon went ended when most of auditors looking for it were killed when the Pentagon was both bombed, early on the morning of 9/11, and later hit by a cruise missile.

We all know the ‘military commissions’ are kangaroo courts and the military lawyers themselves resisted them for a long time, knowing that they were unsound and it could all come back to bite the behind of anyone who was involved in them. But Yoo and Addington and all the others had their way - and none of it was accidental. It was a deliberate act undertaken to make the military, the intelligence services and the white house above the law, for obvious reasons. If Obama attempted what you want him to do, on his own, he would be a lone figure walking through Death Valley. Virtually every current Republican in the Congress and some Democrats too have too much to hide to let those prisoners have a fair trial in a real courtroom. And it doesn’t only involve politicians: it involves Wall Street, the media, the Pentagon, the CIA, NORAD and the intelligence services of at least four countries that I know of.

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By fearnotruth, March 10, 2011 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

informed analysis of the activities of Bush 43 on Spet. 11, 2001:

9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA, First Edition [Paperback]
http://www.amazon.com/11-Synthetic-Terror-Made-First/dp/0930852311

Talk - Webster Tarpley - Facing the Truth about 9/11 ...
90 min - Nov 7, 2008 - Uploaded by talkingsticktv
Webster Tarpley author of “9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA” speaking at the
forum “Facing the Truth about 9/11” held April 1 ...
youtube.com

large selection of Tarpley lectures
http://tinyurl.com/4du2kmh

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

Another line of inquiry that can be illustrative of the failure of the government’s
scientific investigation, and all of those peer reviewed articles positing “crush
down, crush up” theories by folks like Greening or Bazant, is the work down by
the US Geological Survey lab, the RJ Lee environmental study of the Deutsche
Bank building directly across the street from the towers. Dust samples were
analyzed in the USGS and Lee studies. These studies found evidence of
extremely high temperatures, high enough to vapor glass, lead, steel.
Microspheres of molybdenum were found by the USGS study. Molybdenum
melts to molten form (necessary for surface tension to pull the molten particle
into a spherical shape) at around 2623 degrees C. That is nearly 1200 degrees
C hotter than what is necessary to melt iron. Vaporized lead requires about
1740 C, silicates (glass) around 2760 C. Jet fuel by comparison under optimum
conditions of fuel mix to oxygen burns at about 1000 C.

The organic fuels that burned in the destruction of these buildings was not
sufficient to melt steel, or to generate the temperatures necessary to boil lead
or glass. Something else was present with that capability.

Worcester Polytechnic Institute found damage to solid steel spandrels and said
this: “A one-inch [steel] column has been reduced to half-inch thickness. Its
edges – which are curled like paper scroll – have been thinned to almost razor
sharpness. Gaping holes – some larger than a silver dollar – let light shine
through a formerly solid steel flange. This Swiss cheese appearance shocked all
of the fire-wise professors, who expected to see distortion and bending – but
not holes.”

The nanothermite residues that has been found in dust samples from around
lower Manhattan after the attack is capable of temperatures to evaporate steel,
lead, and silicates. Large quantities of nanothermite produces molten iron when
ignited as iron is a main ingredient. The presence of molten metal “flowing like
lava” in the basements of WTC 1, 2 and 7, as witnessed by engineers,
firefighters, recovery workers, but not found under buildings 3, 4, 5, or 6 which
suffered engulfing fires is the likely result of large quantities of nanothermite.

FMI:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__080202_extreme_tempe
ratures.htm

Yes, we are still in the dark. Mr. Scheer, are you listening?

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By Blackspeare, March 10, 2011 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

sdemetri…

Two well made videos analyses by David Chandler and nicely narrated too.  Unfortunately Mr. Chandler conveniently forgot to include the concept of momentum in his analysis and this would easily explain the near free fall of the buildings.  The more important question is why did the WTC buildings collapse in the first place——they really shouldn’t have.  We know that the fire from the aviation fuel softened and weakened the supporting steel and started the collapse.  However, the reason the steel was able to be weakened has never been articulated——and this is why.  Because of excessive environmental concerns during construction the conventional coating of the steel members with asbestos for fire retardation was abandoned. The steel was left with only an anti-rust coating that did nothing for fire protection.  Had the steel been properly coated with asbestos, the asbestos would have protected the steel and the fire would have burnt out before the steel girders were weakened to the point of collapse.  Another victory for the environmental extremists.

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By diamond, March 10, 2011 at 4:56 pm Link to this comment

We all know what happened to building number 7: Osama bin Laden farted. Someone should write a book, ‘The Fart Heard Around the World’. The ‘scientific’ explanation for number 7’s collapse in the official story is simply laughable. A fart is more likely to have brought it down than an office fire. Especially one that was deliberately lit. What very few people know is that one entire floor of building number 7 had thousands of files on cases of Wall Street fraud on it as well as documents relating to Enron’s negotiations with the Taliban to build the oil and gas pipeline from the Caspian Basin to Karachi. The CIA had offices there and getting rid of number 7 was just a bit of house cleaning. “Look to the future”, they cried and are still crying.

And who in their right mind could think this is how the President of the United States would behave if it was a genuine terrorist attack?

“It was an interesting day.”—President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02]


At 9:03 a.m. Bush takes part in a meaningless photo-op, knowing full well the US is already under attack.

At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television. The news anchors, reporters, and viewers had little idea what had happened in lower Manhattan, but there were some people who did know. By that time, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon, the White House, the Secret Service, and Canada’s Strategic Command all knew that three commercial airplanes had been hijacked. They knew that one plane had been flown deliberately into the World Trade Center’s North Tower; a second plane was wildly off course and also heading toward Manhattan; and a third plane had abruptly turned around over Ohio and was flying back toward Washington, DC.
So why, at 9:03 a.m.—fifteen minutes after it was clear the United States was under terrorist attack—did President Bush sit down with a classroom of second-graders and begin a 20-minute pre-planned photo op? No one knows the answer to that question. In fact, no one has even asked Bush about it.
Bush’s actions on September 11 have been the subject of lively debate, mostly on the internet. Details reported that day and in the week after the attacks—both the media reports and accounts given by Bush himself—have changed radically over the past 18 months.

When Did Bush First Learn of the Attacks?
Why does it matter when Bush left the resort and arrived at the school? Because this is the crucial time when Bush was first told, or should have been told, of the attacks. Official accounts, including the words of Bush himself, say Bush was first told of what was happening in New York City after he arrived at the school. [Telegraph, 12/16/01, CBS, 9/11/02] However, this statement does not stand up to scrutiny. There are at least four reports that Bush was told of the first crash before he arrived at the school.

One local reporter notes that at this point, “He could and arguably should have left Emma E. Booker Elementary School immediately, gotten onto Air Force One and left Sarasota without a moment’s delay… But he didn’t.” [Sarasota Herald-Tribune, 9/12/01 (B)] The only possible excuse is that Bush was completely clueless as to what was happening. [Knoxville News Sentinel, 9/11/01] So supposedly, 15 minutes after the first crash, none of Bush’s aides, not even Rice back in Washington, DC, knew a thing about the hijackings that had been reported to NORAD 20 minutes earlier? This simply is not plausible.

Why isn’t Scheer writing about THIS instead of repeating the official mantra as if he’s been drugged.

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By heavyrunner, March 10, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment

Why are the U.S. Government officials afraid to try the suspects in open court? I think it is because they can’t prove they did it. Confessions gained by torture are not admissible, so they would need real evidence.

It is in direct violation of the U.S. Constitution to hold prisoners who have not been convicted. The Constitution guarantees the presumption of innocence and a speedy trial. Our government is disobeying the Constitution in its treatment of the so-called 9/11 conspirators and anyone else held at Guantanamo.

Defying the Constitution is a worse crime than even killing 3,000 people and blowing up some buildings. It’s really serious and demands revolution.

Incidentally, I read that after the 356th time Khalid Sheikh Muhammad was subjected to the Chinese water torture he confessed to betting on baesball while coaching the Reds.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

And here is another simple demonstration why the physics of the destruction of
these towers is so important, and why the official BS of fire weakened columns
in WTC 1 and 2 caused the upper blocks of the buildings to crush the rest of
the building into dust.

It is no coincidence both buildings were destroyed symmetrically in nearly
identical ways even though the damage inflicted by the aircraft on each was
very different. One building sustained a direct hit, the other an oblique hit. The
damage estimates in the NCSTAR 1 report, based on simulations of the weight
and speed of the aircraft, show two very different damage patterns to the
internal structure, and should be considered relatively good estimates.

The damage patterns to the internal supporting columns are very different yet
the buildings came down in a symmetrical, nearly identical way. Why? Because
the damage is not what caused the destruction. This shows, using high school
physics, why the conspiracy based on the impossible physics of the NIST report
is a farce, a cover up, impossible. Here’s why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjSd9wB55zk&feature=related

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

There is a compilation of videos showing the collapse of Building 7 about half way
down the page here:

http://www.Investigatebuilding7.org/

One moment the entire facade of the building is standing unmoving, the next
moment symmetrically the entire facade is in free fall acceleration for nearly three
seconds. This is NOT a progressive, asymmetric collapse.

The analysis showing free fall is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVCDpL4Ax7I

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By Gary Mont, March 10, 2011 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment
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Truth Dig?

If anyone is wondering why the American Public will never know the truth about 9/11, all you have to do is re-read this article.

It does its level best to pretend the official story is already fully established fact. Only some small details remain a mystery, it claims.

But this piece of Official Government bullshit is posted here on TruthDig, which is not supposed to be a part of the Fascist owned media that has adopted the mantra of “let’s put 9/11 behind us and talk about someting important”.

Or is there an official decree that no media shall speak of this event unless it pushes the official story line on pain of Federal Audit, and the author simply wanted to let the cat back out of the bag so the commenters could post the truth as they know it so far.

TruthDig or TruthBury. That is the question.

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By fearnotruth, March 10, 2011 at 3:04 pm Link to this comment

RE:By Daniel, March 10 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment
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Do you think that people who can think for themselves believe the BS you’re writing?

You should be placed in a rubber room.

_____________________

in response: what any of us here ‘think’, doesn’t much matter; however you, Daniel,
should think about this: refraining from enlisting allusions to mental illness as ad homenim
invective. It’s disrespectful to those genuinely suffering debilitating mental incapacitation. It’s too
typical in these insignificant blog threads, thoughtlessly tossed off, one can only imagine, by
those too privileged to know the real thing.

substantive exception taken to opinions posted is welcome - ad homenim distraction not

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By fearnotruth, March 10, 2011 at 2:47 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...Captain of a Naval vessel, his Officer of the Deck, The CIC Officer and Weapons Officer and 10+ Operations Specialists were complicit in firing a missle at the Pentagon…

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just a drill - 25-plus military drills running Sep. 11, 2001

the drill, most effective conduit for WMD terrorism: protected patsies - interagency & media moles - a few compartmentalized professional operatives to flip it live

a witting operative’s only protection: never know too much and if so, never breath a word

voilà:

New Pearl Harbor, Global War Of Terror, New American Century, Fall of the Empire

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 10, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

True Birch.

But, reading Scheer’s words herein, the only credit I can give him is the window of opportunity people have to chime in their opinions, ideas and paradigm.

I understand he must tow the line and NOT even mention hot topics like Tower 7, the pentagon plane ( or lack of plane there ) and other obvious veiled points.

It shows his cowardice.  His fear of losing his position, notoriety ( diminishing daily ) and income.  Understandable, but not excusable, sorry.

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Do you think that people who can think for themselves believe the BS you’re writing?

You should be placed in a rubber room.

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By fearnotruth, March 10, 2011 at 2:03 pm Link to this comment

RE:Bin Laden is a global household name for his involvement in planning the
Cole bombing, the African Embassy bombings, and the most devastating attack on
U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor. Three days after Sept. 11, months before the U.S.
entered Afghanistan, the world was aware of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

________________

By all standards, the most successful intelligence operation of all time! Mission
Accomplished: endless war, endless war economy, endless terror, endless
protection - Nietzsche’s Supermen commeth

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By felicity, March 10, 2011 at 1:55 pm Link to this comment

Go Right… Maybe in your household but hardly in
‘global’ households.  Nor did we launch two wars
following the Cole incident.

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By Jason Wells, March 10, 2011 at 1:21 pm Link to this comment
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Ok - so these people are “too dangerous to be released” but the govternment “doesn’t have enough evidence to obtain convictions” ?? - I know I’m stating the obvious but if we KNOW they are “too dangerous to be released” and warrant “indefinite imprisonment” - wouldn’t that same knowledge provide the evidence to convict? - Would you have believed on 9-10-01 that this country would so openly abandon its values, principles, laws, and constitution?

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By Birch, March 10, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

I would commend Truthdig for at least allowing a discussion of
the topic. For many news sites and blogs it is a forbidden issue,
relegated to the fringe. The fact that a full airing of the issues is
off limits in the main stream media is suspect in itself. It’s like,
we’ve given you the “official explanation,” now shut up and be
quiet. If you talk about 9/11, you must be a lunatic.

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By apostolos, March 10, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment
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I will not believe any off the stories about 9/11, even the commission report, until I see films of the
bombing of the pentagon. The films from cameras from hotels in close proximity to the pentagon and films from cameras located at intervals at the most sensitive secured building in the world were confiscated and never revealed. WHY? Security at the Boston Logan airport from where the alleged bombers of the Twin Towers departed was the responsibility of an Israel company. Strange since Israel airport security is said to be the most srictest in the world?

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By Robert, March 10, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

Treason, Betrayal and Deceit: 9/11 and Beyond

By Alan Sabrosky


“Several things are very clear to me from a careful assessment of both official and critical evaluations of the 9/11 attacks. First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane (I expect the one intended to do that as a “cover” had ended up in that Pennsylvania field), given the available physical evidence and a wealth of expert testimony. This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos.

Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel’s Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies. Only the unexpected strength of the Iraqi resistance kept Syria and Iran from being attacked in the second Bush Administration. Thus, the evidential trail for 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq run from PNAC, AIPAC and their cohorts; through the mostly Jewish neo-cons in the Bush Administration; and back to the Israeli government. None of the denials and political machinations can alter that essential reality. Terms such as treason, betrayal and deceit do not overstate the case against them.”

******

Click on link for the rest:


{Alan Sabrosky (Ph.D, University of Michigan) is a ten-year US Marine Corps veteran and a graduate of the US Army War College.}


http://911falseflagarchive.blogspot.com/2010/03/dr-alan-sabrosky-former-director-of_19.html

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By Arraya, March 10, 2011 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Channeling 9/11

We could never foresee this scenario….


November 1997-August 1998: Future 9/11 Commission Staff Attend Terrorism
Study Group; Predict Consequences of ‘Catastrophic Terrorism’ 

An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America’s history.
It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans’ fundamental sense of security within their own borders. 
Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great ‘success’ or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.
Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a ‘before’ and ‘after.


Importance of public myths

October 15, 1998: Future 9/11 Commission Executive Director
Zelikow Says ‘Public Assumptions’ Shape Views of History

In his opening remarks at a conference on contemporary political history organized by the Miller Center of Public Affairs at the University of Virginia, future 9/11 Commission Executive Director Philip Zelikow emphasizes that the public understanding of history is shaped by what are sometimes referred to as “public myths.” “[U]nderstanding contemporary political history is extremely important and constantly alive in public discourse. ‘Contemporary’ is defined
functionally by those critical people and events that go into forming the public’s presumptions about its immediate past. Such presumptions are beliefs (1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known to be true with certainty), and (2) shared in common within the relevant political community.
The sources for such presumptions are both personal and vicarious (from books, movies, and myths).” Zelikow says that public assumptions often grow out of “searing events”: “particularly ‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events take on ‘transcendent’ importance and, therefore, retain their power even as the
experiencing generation passes from the scene.” In a previous publication, Zelikow had written about how a “catastrophic terrorism” event could constitute a momentous, history-shaping milestone: “An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people… would be a watershed event
in America’s history.… Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a ‘before’ and ‘after’

The plan:

—Rebuilding America’s Defenses, September 2000, Project for a New American Century

While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein ...
“the process of [military] transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor ...

West point address by Wolfowitz just a few months
before September 11.  Warning to be prepared for “surprise attacks”. 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bf6197a44d

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By RLW, March 10, 2011 at 11:08 am Link to this comment
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Why would the government put these people on trial and run the risk of having them spill the beans about their inside contacts?

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By Mike789, March 10, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

drbhelthiy ~ “We assume that mike789 was not in the “control center” of the vessel, after all the enlisted personnel had been ordered out? Considering the history of such operations, it would surprise me if any of the officers in subject are still among the living. Or is mike 789 the only one remaining?”

Gee whiz, I was an enlisted puke and in your scenario, ordered out of CIC, off the bridge, all of us. And not a one of us made a single report of that idea nor associated it with the 9/11 incident?

Gee, my ship is underway and CIC is not manned up?  Hey guys, WTF is going on. All of us out of CIC? Not privy to the “secret mission”. Right, we’d just roll over and play dead for a totaly unlawful order. Guess again. We’re are not robots as you suggest and a few of have more than [“the intelligence of a doorknob”]

Yeah, all my friends are dropping dead and not one of us thinks twice? Did that happen in unison or one by one? Oh, that’s right too, all of us were thrown overboard to shut us up. LOL

Because I was not present does not make such a totally incomprehensibly scenaria any more plausible.

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By davidtalks, March 10, 2011 at 10:54 am Link to this comment

We go to war with the lies the public will believe, not the lies that are true.

This is from wikipedia, re: Gulf of Tonkin:

“”“”“”“”“In 1965, President Johnson commented privately: “For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there.” [31]

In 1981, Captain Herrick and journalist Robert Scheer re-examined Herrick’s ship’s log and determined that the first torpedo report from August 4, which Herrick had maintained had occurred—the “apparent ambush”—was in fact unfounded.[20]”“”“”“”“”

Nice to see that Robert Scheer was way ahead of the curve on this one.

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By Big M, March 10, 2011 at 10:46 am Link to this comment
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Anybody who still believes the official conspiracy theory is a fucking idiot.

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By Arraya, March 10, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

Building 7 was hit by burning debris from the twin towers. Debris
from the Twin Towers damaged all of the buildings in the complex, leading to
their destruction.

But, but, but, blah, blah, blather, blather.

So what?  You don’t need this as a piece of evidence.  But I will say this
engineers coming up with a plausible explanation to a foregone conclusion is
completely different from investigation.  That is a messy scenario and under
different circumstances “experts” could come up with different scenarios.  It’s
not a conspiracy - it’s being human

We have an obvious gunshot wound and people are trying to say that the
victim’s final death came from poisoning to prove others were involved.  While I
think the poisoning scenario is interesting and worthy of investigation, I think
the guys that turned off security(war games), sent the police(Richard Clark) to
the other side of town and helped the perps learn to shot(flight school
investigations) is more compelling evidence.  As well as the obvious desire for
the shooting(New Pearl Harbor)

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By Lafayette, March 10, 2011 at 10:27 am Link to this comment

RS: The significance of a fair and public trial would be to reveal to the world the motives and makeup of those we must defeat

The world knows quite enough about 911, without poking further a still festering wound.

Time to heal and move on. We’ve other fish to fry. Like where have all the perp-walks gone in the SubPrime Mess debacle?

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By Mike789, March 10, 2011 at 10:24 am Link to this comment

JDmysticDJ - Thank you for your reasoned comment.

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By sdemetri, March 10, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

Go Right Young Man, in the afternoon of Sept 11, Bin Laden’s name was being
proffered as the likely culprit. On his part, in at least three separate interviews
he denied any and all complicity. That doesn’t exonerate him from his much
better documented role in other attacks, but even the FBI has repeatedly said
there is not enough proof to implicate him for the September attacks. He is on
the FBI Most Wanted List, but not for 9/11. Not enough evidence.

That the Bush admin repeatedly said no one could have foreseen flying planes
into buildings…. FEMA training, other readiness drills and planning scenarios
are very, very well documented as foreseeing this very thing. Some of the
graphics from these drills and exercises featured cross-hairs on the WTC
towers. The world media record is full of govt’s and intelligence agencies telling
the Bush admin that a plan for an attack was in the works. The August 2001
NIE warned Bush of an impending attack. There was an abundance of
indications something was imminent.

The neocon manifesto, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, from the organization
featuring Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, The Project for a New American Century, a
full year before 9/11 included the admonition that in order to implement their
agenda a catalyst was needed to gain support for their program, “a new Pearl
Harbor” they called. It came one year later when these individuals were in
power. Their agenda of increased military spending, changes in nuclear policy,
increased placement of bases in strategic locations, weaponization of space all
took giant leaps forward after the attacks.

The physical, scientific evidence is overwhelming that the official conspiracy
theory is a cover up. Explosive residues in the dust from the destroyed towers,
gaping contradictions in the military response and statements, gaping
contradictions in what hundreds of eyewitnesses say compared to the official
theory… there has been a well orchestrated cover up.

The inability of government to keep a secret is a valid consideration, but is not
a show stopper given immense number of inconsistencies and contradictions
we have been expected to simply accept on faith. There is a better explanation,
and there is an active effort to prevent that explanation from coming to light. If
not, data and parameters would be open for independent evaluation, videos,
photos, testimonies would be freely available. Instead it is all being held as a
very tightly guarded secret. The families of victims have repeatedly asked to
know how and why their loved ones died. They are no closer to answers than
they were on 9/12/2001.

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By Arraya, March 10, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

I’m supposed to believe that in six years, the Captain of a Naval
vessel, his Officer of the Deck, The CIC Officer and Weapons Officer and 10+
Operations Specialists were complicit in firing a missle at the
Pentagon.

Nope, that strawman is not necessary to show complicity

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By Arraya, March 10, 2011 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

Bin Laden is a global household name for his involvement in
planning the Cole bombing, the African Embassy bombings, and the most
devastating attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor. Three days after Sept. 11,
months before the U.S. entered Afghanistan, the world was aware of Osama bin
Laden and Al Qaeda


Right - and the first thing Wolfowitz did when coming into office was tell
Richard Clark not to bother with AQ.  To take his attention off of Osama.  Just a
year before that,  his cabal(PNAC), who were begging the clinton to invaded
Iraq, called for a psychological pretext akin to a “New Pearl Harbor” to garner
public support for a grand middle east reconfiguration.

Early in 2000 Cheney met in his secretive “energy take force” meetings, where
he was caught perusing maps of Iraqi oil fields and mid east pipeline routes.  A
few months after that GWB issued an executive order that out him in charge of
domestic terrorism drills and other types of emergency preparedness.  Just so
happens multiple war games were issued that morning including hijacking
drills which included “false blips” on radar.

So what we have is sending the police to the other side of town and disabling
security.  All it took was three people.  Not to mention the flight school
investigations that were squashed a year earlier by senior management.

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By Mike789, March 10, 2011 at 9:44 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi ` I served from 1973-1995. I’m supposed to believe that in six years, the Captain of a Naval vessel, his Officer of the Deck, The CIC Officer and Weapons Officer and 10+ Operations Specialists were complicit in firing a missle at the Pentagon. Reckon they’ve all been assassinated to keep it hush-hush. And nobody in the command chain up to squadron commander are not saying a damn word? You’re way off on a tangent to nowhere.

Secondly, I’m not buying the little old lade witness, nor your inside Pentagon contact, who, for all you know is marginally informed or knuts or just keeping Rumor-Central in vogue.

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By Go Right Young Man, March 10, 2011 at 9:32 am Link to this comment

When we see someone on this Web space write of the unhinged and radical Tea Party, or the Neo-Con goblins taking over the globe, I’ll point directly at this thread in order to highlight the many Moonbats from the left side of politics.

It’s also interesting that Mr. Scheer would point to “shrill Republican-led opposition in Congress that succeeded in banning the trials on U.S. soil” when it was the democratic lead House and Senate that denied funding to bring GITMO detainees into North America.

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Felicity,

Bin Laden is a global household name for his involvement in planning the Cole bombing, the African Embassy bombings, and the most devastating attack on U.S. soil since Pearl Harbor. Three days after Sept. 11, months before the U.S. entered Afghanistan, the world was aware of Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

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By SoTexGuy, March 10, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

The comments added to 911 articles are always entertaining.. these are no
exception.

I don’t buy the official story of how we were all blindsided by this dastardly assault, carried out by sick people who hate our freedoms.. not at all..

And while I see our whole plutocracy as a series of extravagant, long running conspiracies.. I can’t wrap my head around the concept of the Twin Towers being brought down by controlled demolition and the Pentagon struck by Navy ordinance (and all that entails).. meanwhile none of all the people required to
do these things and shield the facts has said anything?!

One thing I do every so often to keep my head straight on these things is to go back and watch and listen to Rice and Cheney and company in the days just following the attacks.. They are guilty as hell of something.. it’s in their eyes and gestures and expressions and more.. plain as day, they ate the canary..

Later after it seemed they had (have) gotten away with it..  their swagger and bluster and confidence returned, and they brought the little corporal out of hiding.

I thought at that time and I still do.. that it was very likely they knew a lot about the impending attack and planned to use it to their political advantage.. but they did not imagine the extent or success of the attacks.. and it stunned them. Not from any sense of responsibility! .. but from the realization that if their
complicity was ever known they’d be executed.. not just lose their jobs.

Anyhow, that’s some of my thoughts on that.

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By drbhelthi, March 10, 2011 at 8:18 am Link to this comment

DICKINSEATTLE, a lady walking nearby on eleven Sep 2001 told an early-bird reporter, “- - it looked like some kind of small airplane.” An excellent description of the Tomahawk Cruise missile by a lay person. Obviously, it wasn´t armed with much of a load, but did knock the original hole in the outter wall. It was an adequate false flag so as to cover the subsequent explosion that took out the targeted people. The main one of whom I worked under years ago; a straight shooter who did not “fit” in with the crooks.  The remains of the special fan-jet engine used in the Tomahawk was found in a hallway of the fourth tier.

If you want a good laugh,listen to this. Being a former aviation mechanic and pilot, I asked a “specialist”, what happened to the remains of the alleged airliner? He responded, “it disintegrated on impact.” Most of us know that, that which does not exist cannot disintegrate.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 10, 2011 at 5:09 am Link to this comment

Anyone notice the shills behind the many bogus front accounts have “SHUT UP” ( using their hero O’Reilly’s idiotic tort ) with their nonsense.

How easily it is to see between the lies… even if shills like Scheer writes lies and calls it journalism.

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By fearnotruth, March 10, 2011 at 3:43 am Link to this comment

The cover up - go after the cover up….  from the story: ...Much… was derived from the
waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed…

ATTENTION: KSM DEAD

e.g. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html

South Asia
Oct 30, 2002
A chilling inheritance of terror
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Ever since the frenzied shootout last month on September 11 in Karachi there
have been doubts over whether Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed head of al-
Qaeda’s military committee, died in the police raid on his apartment.

[...]
Now it has emerged that Kuwaiti national Khalid Shaikh Mohammed did indeed perish in
the raid, but his wife and child were taken from the apartment and handed over to the
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in whose hands they remain.

[...]

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By rosross, March 10, 2011 at 2:49 am Link to this comment

Inherit the Wind,
There are always extremists and it is important to speak out against them but these days it is not the Jews who are being targeted but Muslims. Bigotry has never been confined to one religious group: the Cathars were all slaughtered because of it and the Huegunots, while many survived, saw their religion destroyed. In this day and age the bigots are targeting Islam and trying to present it as a ‘threat’ in the same way that Jews were presented as a threat by the Nazis. It seems a sad part of human nature that when in fear many seek to demonise to give themselves a false sense of power. The fear, albeit, usually unconscious.

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By SteveL, March 10, 2011 at 2:10 am Link to this comment

On the Huffington Post Robert Kennedy Jr. wrote an interesting article about Canada’s broadcasting laws that don’t allow false and misleading information to be transmitted.  This keeps Fox and right wing radio out of that country.  The same probations against false and misleading information exist in the U.S. but if the government in the form of the Bush administration is wrapped up in the lies themselves it is no wonder there is no interest here in keeping false and misleading information off the airwaves.

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By vetforpeace, March 10, 2011 at 1:45 am Link to this comment
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sciencehighway,

your statement “for the alternative would be to believe there’s more than one rabid lunatic out there, and that’s a conspiracy theory I choose not to buy into.” suggests that you are unwilling to believe the obvious.  THERE ARE MORE THAN ONE RABID LUNATIC OUT THERE> 

Not only are they out there, but they are working in unison, together, to cloud the minds of those that hope to find the truth.  There is conspiracy fact all around us, but we are trained to listen to the media, not the minds that truly investigate. 

I only hope that the truth will be recognized some day, not demonized.

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By Lewis Banelis, March 10, 2011 at 1:29 am Link to this comment
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There is a concerted effort to continue funding a bloated
military. After WWII communism created the perfect bogeyman.
We as children,were told how to “duck and cover in the event
of a nuclear attack from the ‘nasty godless Russians. We have
funded the military as if in a state of war. that lasted 40
odd years. The military industrial complex needed a new bogey-
man to continue bloated spending. Enter Iran and the hostage crisis.Then Reagan and his bunch,fooling around in Lebanon
and elsewhere,like Nicaragua and Grenada to pump up the pat-
riotic fervor. The military budget is a giant rathole that we
have poured countless billions in from their quest to make the
world safe for democracy. We now have an eerie similarity to
all the other empires before us that collapsed. We have the
same ailments that befell them. If they continue warring for
the sake of the military industrial complex. We must take
the stance for our survival as the nation,that it’s Us versus
Them.

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By KANUEAR, March 10, 2011 at 1:09 am Link to this comment
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What is it about we American people. Why do they sleep soooo hard.

1. There are no multi-millionaires fighting in Afghanistan.
2. There were none in Iraq. Both times.
3. A poor man has never sent a rich man off to die for country.
4. War after war, the poor forfeit their lives trying to obtain a better future for them selves and family.
Only to return to the same shit they left to defend but less healthy.
5. The ones who cry patriotism are always on top and tucked safely away from the blood and death.
6. A purple heart never puts food on the table or a roof over your head. I will, however leave one with medical problems and bills.
7. A silver star only means that one has killed for war-mongers in abundance and has effected the future lives of others.

Dividing and conquering has always been the way of those who control. Whether it is foreign or domestic. Any one with any knowledge of U.S. history knows that every so-called tyrant or dictator that has gained power through revolution has always been backed by the rich of this country. Why? More wealth. When these leaders have served their purpose it’s time to get rid of them. Stop being played. Look now with the help of the past and see the future. The controlling rich in this country must have catastrophe, turmoil, hatred and division to stay in wealthy and in control. The fear is that those whom they build their wealth from will finally realize and say go to hell. There is a saying that “all shit flows down hill”. well I like to add that flowing shit eventually reaches it’s lowest level and then starts to pile up. Wealth dictates that one can stand on the shoulders of another to stay out of the shit. When the lowest man drowns in SHIT and falls…. so goes the stack. WHERE DO YOU STAND?

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By scotttpot, March 10, 2011 at 12:19 am Link to this comment

Why does there have to be an Al -Qaida? 9/11 could have been “masterminded ‘’ by lead pilot Mohammed Atta.
Of course Khalid Sheik Mohammed
admitted to being the master -mind . He is probable suffering from the worst case
of PTSD ever,  after having faced death 183 times during torture.
The military/security/Islamophobe complex ,and the Republicans benefit greatly from keeping the
Myth of Al-Qaida alive forever.Look at Rep. Peter King’s Show! We have always been attacked by small cells or lone wolves.There is no group or country to fight a war against.
The sleeper cells were as real as Iraqi WMD
Al-Qaida is to this recent decade as Invisible Soviet Submarines were to the 80’s-
Creations of Don Rumsfeld.

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By davidtalks, March 9, 2011 at 11:19 pm Link to this comment

I wish more journalists would speak out like this.  Just like the JFK assassination, everything is in plain sight if you choose to really see it. Watch any video anywhere of Building 7 coming down and you’re first reaction will be, “..that is an implosion…”

If we do not insist on the truth about 9/11, democracy as our founding fathers bled for, will implode as well.

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By 911truthdotorg, March 9, 2011 at 11:18 pm Link to this comment

Just arrest the entire bush crime family and you will have all of your 9/11 mass murderers in a nice package.

And throw Obushbama in the package as well. He’s just as guilty for doing nothing about it.

We now truly live in an Orwellian hell.

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By Clapham Omnibus, March 9, 2011 at 11:04 pm Link to this comment
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...But it is not the rights of the accused, important as they are, that should be the
main concern here. Rather it is the right—indeed, need—of the American public
to learn the truth….

Could not disagree more.  The “right of the public to know” in a nation that
ignores the rights of the accused is the right to be told soothing tales that make
the events of this world sensible and un-disturbing.  Rights of the accused are
the public’s protection from the schemes of the governing elite and that elite’s
patriotic camp followers.  Any one of the public can be accused of anything.

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By Dickinseattle, March 9, 2011 at 10:59 pm Link to this comment

Talk about being in the dark!  It’s embarassing that a good Leftist reporter like Robert would be so far behing the curve on a subject as important as 9/11, and almost 10 years after the fact at that!  The Dick Cheney/Paul Wolfowitz official conspiracy theory is a dusey.  Steel framed buildings can’t fall down due to office fires, or, in the case of WTC, multiple airliner hits as well.  The owner clearly admitted WTC7 was a controled demolition on PBS and to top it off, there were no such hijackers on the airline manifest. (We got the names from Israel, 6 of which protested these allegations.  Also, the NORAD air defense drills that very morning using live aircraft attacking the WTC is obviously beyond coincidence.  As for the Pentagon, there is absolutely no evidence seen or offered of any such airliner hitting that building other than evidence of a missile strike form a Gobal Hawk drone(?) hitting the very offices where an investigation began the previous day into the disappearence of $2.3 Trillion dollars of Pentagon money.  That investigation was destroyed and ended on the 11th.  The Comptroller held a dual Israeli citizenship as did the WTC owner, Larry Silverstein.  This is just for openers.

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By RenZo, March 9, 2011 at 9:56 pm Link to this comment

When a proposed explanation for some observed event is shown to be logically/scientifically/demonstrably impossible, the proposed explanation loses credibility or fails completely. It must be discarded. This is scientific method, scientific thought, scientific dogma.

DoneHisParte (and endless others here, there and everywhere) expounded clear, serious, cogent, logical, documented, observable, reproducible, and consensual refutations of the official story of 9/11. This is scientific method, thought and language that he (they) used. To disbelieve science is the REAL conspiracy theory: it is not crazy in the least to explain why a theory is false. Au contraire, mes frères, one is science and the other is ignorance & superstition.

If you are too simple to understand why complex theories fall apart when their foundations are proven false, then you are not just living in darkness, but also living in the past, where faith was enough to sustain and science was considered witchcraft and gossip was taken as truth.

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By PatrickHenry, March 9, 2011 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

Like Watergate, Iran-Contra and Monicas dress, a new fully funded congressional 9/11 investigation needs to be held where all the public forums are allowed to introduce the 10 years of accumulated evidence including that deemed classified.

I would like to prosecute these bastards while they are still alive.

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By BLP, March 9, 2011 at 8:26 pm Link to this comment
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why is it still controversial among this readership that bldg 7 was a demolition.  did not majority owner Mr. Silverstein say so on PBS?

why would he direct, or consent to demolition if it was an option, short of necessary?

consider the trade-off btw a guaranteed insurance payoff, and continued ownership of a possibly weakened structure facing a huge toxic bldg site, for an unforeseeable length of time. what might happen to the rental income? what would you choose?

why would Mr. Silverstein refuse to further engage the subject in public?  phrased differently, why would he collaborate with a US government imperial agenda?

9/11 presented the administration with a nearly unassailable platform for a preexisting agenda; a public consensus no one could dream of! did they want anything complicating their story? does one mess with an asset as munificent as this? would you, if you had power?

of course Silverstein kept his mouth shut.

meanwhile the Left got to bleed credibility: first with its shoddy and poorly researched accusations, then its inadequately revised conspiracy arguments, and throughout with its always strident self-referentiality. how do you imagine the general public saw this?

the administration understandably, let you self-destruct.  what would you have done in their place?

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By DavidByron, March 9, 2011 at 7:59 pm Link to this comment

diamond,
“Didn’t the US Congress pass a law that made it illegal to use any taxpayer funds to bring any of those on this modern day Devil’s Island to the mainland for trial? How is Obama supposed to do it?”

By freeing them.  Its costing money to keep them there, not to let them go, dumbass.  They are political prisoners.  They are not charged with any crime.  The only legal and moral course of action is to release the political prisoners.

But of course such a thing is not even on the radar because the US media is a collection of government and corporate run propaganda outfits.

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By sdemetri, March 9, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Given Robert Scheer’s impressive credentials and long journalistic career I find
it curious he would dismiss the major contradictions in the official conspiracy
theory so readily. He acknowledges that questions remain, but rather
inexplicably accepts only those questions and contradictions that essentially
flow out of the official conspiracy theory.

Robert Fisk has publicly questioned if Flight 93 is supposed to have crashed in
Shanksville, PA why did the debris field cover an 8-mile swath of ground,
indicative of an in-air breakup of the aircraft.

Why were no major parts of flight 75 seen at the Pentagon, no tail section,
wings, engines, baggage, bodies as if the case with every other major
commercial jet crash site. A commercial jet nosedived into a ravine some years
ago in Pittsburg at 300+ mph with large, recognizable parts of the aircraft
clearly visible, baggage, and debris filling the ravine. None of that at the
Pentagon or Shanksville.

The firefighters that entered the West St. groundlevel entrance to one of the
WTC towers were immediately confront with burnt victims in front of a bank of
elevators. It was given out that the shaft blew out due to jet fuel seeping from
nearly 1000 ft above. The bank of elevators, however, only ascended to about
the 30th floors, and were sealed top and bottom, and were separated from the
crash site by about 60 intervening floors.

Of the 500+ interviews conducted of the fire department personnel that were
involved that day, 118 gave 178 accounts of explosions, including talk of what
they thought were secondary devices, bombs, synchronized blasts and flashes.
One ex-military Port Authority worker with extensive (over a decades worth)
military training described a massive explosion she was involved in: the blast
wave passing by her sucking the air out of her lungs, the flying debris that
injured her, the rush of air back into the partial vacuum as the shock wave
passed, being picked up and tumbled by the blast wave. NONE of this is
explained in ANY of the scientific investigations conducted by the government.
It is passed off as if all explained by jet fuel, but schematic drawings suggest
possible routes for jet fuel down through 1000 feet of presumably intact
building. Eyewitnesses in the national media describe massive explosions.

Why there is no curiosity shown by Mr. Scheer to these unexplained
phenomenon is inexcusable. And to presume that real answers to profound
questions will be found by the civilian trial of a severely tortured individual is
rather preposterous.

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By TAO Walker, March 9, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer’s timing here is sort of interesting.  This subject is almost guaranteed to have those commenting on the article ‘re-visiting’ reflexively, passionately, and in-droves all the CONtention and CONtroversy still swirling (like CONtrolled demolition dust in downtown Manhattan that dark Day) in choking, blinding clouds around “the event.”

What do you suppose it is Scheer’s CONtrollers would prefer domesticated peoples precious attention NOT be on right now?  Maybe it is their own common and rapidly worsening plight, and the further serious and accelerating deterioration of Earth’s Living Arrangement….as the final attempted-murderous assault on us ALL, by those to whom such as Scheer kowtow (perhaps in carefully CONtrived ignorance), enters its “critical” phase.

Maybe the tormenting entities and their probably irredeemable Two-legged tools are getting quite CONcerned that even a few of their “serfs” might be giving even a little of their supposed-to-be completely captive attention to the possibly viable option of The Tiyoshpaye Way….?

HokaHey!

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By samosamo, March 9, 2011 at 7:14 pm Link to this comment

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What is the crux, is that the attack on 9/11/01 be THOROUGHLY
investigated. To not do so only prolongs knowing the truth and
further belabors the ‘debriefing’ of a so thoroughly ignorant
population used to getting their information from all the wrong
places with all the wrong ideas about the truth.

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By Byard Pidgeon, March 9, 2011 at 7:11 pm Link to this comment

Well, here we are again, at Troll Central, with the trolls always lurking about,
looking for an excuse to rush out, bellowing, screeching and gnashing their teeth,
raving at anything reasonable.

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By Arraya, March 9, 2011 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

A better article would have been on the multiple war games being conducted that
day.  And how they had run several hijacking into building games the year before. 
On the morning of 911 they actually had “false blips” on radar screens that
indicated 22 hijacked planes and drills that scrambled fighter jets to Canada.

The commander of NORAD was promoted

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 6:51 pm Link to this comment

Whatever sciencehighway / Big B / lasmog / and all the other aliases of the shills.

Come drag me out of wherever you think I am… for folks like me end up as martyrs; for I fear not what mere men can do to me on this plain.

I have no fear telling the truth as it is, not so much how I’d ‘like’ to see it, but as it has been shown to those who hear and those who see. 

I’ll tell it to your many faces, to Scheer the shill, to a lackey judge on the supreme court and to any (s)elected president, serving or retired.

I have no fear of man!  I only fear God, and He sides with the truth.. as those videos of 9/11 show.

Am I perfect in my dialogue and presentations… no, I’m fallible, but I have learned to distinguish baloney from real meat.  How can I swallow lies anymore? 

I’m not talking about all the hoopla like what the likes of Alex Jones puts out ( that’s more obfuscation that anything most of the time ), I’m talking about what the good and decent people of New York witnessed that day.

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By sciencehighway, March 9, 2011 at 6:39 pm Link to this comment

Mr Scheer, as a filmmaker and journalist myself I truly can’t imagine how you can put up with the incessant racism, insults and just plain ignorant noise your columns attract. Please keep doing what you do. It’s hugely appreciated.

As for ‘Napoleon’, I thank you too for finally outing yourself; Your rants make it clear that you’re the raving imbecile who has to be dragged bodily from the audience of Bill Maher’s show every few weeks, for the alternative would be to believe there’s more than one rabid lunatic out there, and that’s a conspiracy theory I choose not to buy into.

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By GoyToy, March 9, 2011 at 6:22 pm Link to this comment

I expected more from Scheer. Many who question the “truth” about 9-11 are not conspiracy theorists. It is just that much of the explanations for that day do not add up. Too many questions remained unanswered.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 6:14 pm Link to this comment

Folks, to you who see and hear… let us realize we quite possibly are being baited into arguing with people who KNOW the truth, yet it is in their best interest to further smear the truth with silly, illogical and unscientific evidence.

Tower 7 was ‘pulled’ just like Silverstein and company planned it to be.

Towers 1 & 2 will take a bit more proving to show CLEARLY… but to think that those buildings came down like and turned into sawdust is also a fairy tale.

Maybe the steal buildings toppling over and falling several blocks away would’ve been believable / physically pliable… but turning into dust?  In seconds?

You don’t need a demolition expert to tell you that is a lie.

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By johnnyfarout, March 9, 2011 at 6:10 pm Link to this comment

Robert Scheer’s still in the dark about it.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Whomever does not like the shill comments, kindly ask Scheer why he ignores tower 7 in any article / comment regarding 9/11.

A simply google search would render you an insight to that day’s happenings… search under video… there is plenty of evidence!

What you are reading is the upsetting response from people who will not accept lies and further obfuscations anymore.

In the words of that midget dictator “you are either with us, or you are either with the terrorists.”

Well, the people of Amerika is the “us” and the terrorists are the hired political hacks who lead us into war… and have led us into war, over and over again.

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By radson, March 9, 2011 at 5:55 pm Link to this comment

Well Mr. Scheer maybe we should ask Humpty Dumpty what happened I believe he still has a ranch in Crawford ,if perchance the desired result is undesirable then what the the hell we could always ask Clancy,since he was the originator of the Airplane idea .Now how many persons can actually go from a Cessna to a Passenger Liner in one single bound -sounds like superman -doesn’t it ,perhaps the top gun school should invest more money in Arabic Pilots .Just to be sure how about if we ask Drone Jockeys for their opinion on the matter and where the hell is the camera footage at the Pentagon.Listen Mr. Scheer
America apparently requires ‘stability ’ from our ‘moderate ’ Arab Monarchs ,yes the same ones that head west to be educated because they have shit in comparison ,hell they can’t even build a Lada if they tried.But that Black Stuff was deemed so important even by President Roosevelt that the Camel Jocks become our great ally at the eleventh hour to fight the Nazi’s ;and Pearl Harbour was caused by what? a lack of oil ,but yes they -the Japanese where supposed to head South-.Dick and his clique have one Hell of a legacy to brag about and the house of cards keeps gettin bigger but the aces are rare indeed.

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By sdemetri, March 9, 2011 at 5:54 pm Link to this comment

Building 7 is documented with scientific accuracy and precision to have fallen
for nearly 3 secs at free fall acceleration. Free fall acceleration is the
acceleration due to gravity. It is the acceleration that is achieved when there is
NO resistance to gravity. For Building 7 to fall symmetrically for 3 sec at free fall
requires ALL supporting structural steel to have failed simultaneously, as the
fundamental physics of an object in free fall requires.

The National Institutes of Standards and Technology in its draft report
concerning the collapse of Building 7 initially said the Building 7 fell “at
constant speed.” This was pointed out as factually false in public comments to
NIST. NIST acknowledged the analysis that described free fall in the first nearly
3 secs and made the correction in its final report. NIST did not, however,
acknowledge the consequences of such a correction, namely, that free fall
acceleration is a fundamental phenomenon in which the object falling
experiences NO resistance to gravity.

The conclusion NIST reached in the section regarding Building 7 in its NCSTAR
1 report was that fire caused the structural steel to fail, leading to a progressive
collapse of the entire building. This conclusion was supported in the NIST
report by a black-box (meaning hidden) computer generated simulation.
However, the simulations released to the public do not show the symmetrical
collapse of the building but an asymmetric collapse. The simulation in no way
resembles what is clearly seen in the multiple videos available publicly. The
data and parameters that were used to generate the simulation are not publicly
available and are untestable. Federal regulations regarding data integrity of
federal research allows competent investigators to have access to data and
parameters. In this case the data and parameters are hidden and are
unavailable.

Free fall acceleration in the symmetrical collapse of Building 7 indicates that
ALL of the supporting structural steel offered NO resistance to the collapse of
the building for the time period immediately following the initiation of the
collapse. The entire facade of the building was standing one second, in free fall
acceleration the next. This symmetrical collapse is clearly seen in videos and
has been analyzed with scientific accuracy and precision and documented as
fact. NIST accepted that analysis and modified it’s report based on this analysis.

Fires in steel framed structures cause asymmetric collapses, and have never,
ever caused a symmetric free fall collapse. The 400 - 500 fires that have taken
place in steel framed buildings, not one collapsed symmetrically, at free fall.
Steel framed structures fall in free fall acceleration all of the time when
controlled demolitions are used to destroy the structure.

Building 7 was destroyed in a symmetrical fashion and collapsed at free fall
acceleration for nearly 3 seconds. Towers 1 and 2 likewise were destroyed
symmetrically and in just under free fall acceleration. There has been a cover up
as to the real cause of this destruction. The torture and military tribunal of KSM
will bring us no closer to understanding the physics of this destruction. The
families of victims need an independent investigation.

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By sdemetri, March 9, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment
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Building 7 is documented with scientific accuracy and precision to have fallen
for nearly 3 secs at free fall acceleration. Free fall acceleration is the
acceleration due to gravity. It is the acceleration that is achieved when there is
NO resistance to gravity. For Building 7 to fall symmetrically for 3 sec at free fall
requires ALL supporting structural steel to have failed simultaneously, as the
fundamental physics of an object in free fall requires.

The National Institutes of Standards and Technology in its draft report
concerning the collapse of Building 7 initially said the Building 7 fell “at
constant speed.” This was pointed out as factually false in public comments to
NIST. NIST acknowledged the analysis that described free fall in the first nearly
3 secs and made the correction in its final report. NIST did not, however,
acknowledge the consequences of such a correction, namely, that free fall
acceleration is a fundamental phenomenon in which the object falling
experiences NO resistance to gravity.

The conclusion NIST reached in the section regarding Building 7 in its NCSTAR
1 report was that fire caused the structural steel to fail, leading to a progressive
collapse of the entire building. This conclusion was supported in the NIST
report by a black-box (meaning hidden) computer generated simulation.
However, the simulations released to the public do not show the symmetrical
collapse of the building but an asymmetric collapse. The simulation in no way
resembles what is clearly seen in the multiple videos available publicly. The
data and parameters that were used to generate the simulation are not publicly
available and are untestable. Federal regulations regarding data integrity of
federal research allows competent investigators to have access to data and
parameters. In this case the data and parameters are hidden and are
unavailable.

Free fall acceleration in the symmetrical collapse of Building 7 indicates that
ALL of the supporting structural steel offered NO resistance to the collapse of
the building for the time period immediately following the initiation of the
collapse. The entire facade of the building was standing one second, in free fall
acceleration the next. This symmetrical collapse is clearly seen in videos and
has been analyzed with scientific accuracy and precision and documented as
fact. NIST accepted that analysis and modified it’s report based on this analysis.

Fires in steel framed structures cause asymmetric collapses, and have never,
ever caused a symmetric free fall collapse. The 400 - 500 fires that have taken
place in steel framed buildings, not one collapsed symmetrically, at free fall.
Steel framed structures fall in free fall acceleration all of the time when
controlled demolitions are used to destroy the structure.

Building 7 was destroyed in a symmetrical fashion and collapsed at free fall
acceleration for nearly 3 seconds. Towers 1 and 2 likewise were destroyed
symmetrically and in just under free fall acceleration. There has been a cover up
as to the real cause of this destruction. The torture and military tribunal of KSM
will bring us no closer to understanding the physics of this destruction. The
families of victims need an independent investigation.

Whatever roll Al Qeada had in the planning of the attack was most likely

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By lasmog, March 9, 2011 at 5:44 pm Link to this comment

It is disturbing to read all the shrill conspiracy theory rants in response to Mr. Scheer’s reasonable article. I assumed people this crazy would be listening to Glenn Beck.

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By magistre, March 9, 2011 at 5:42 pm Link to this comment
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I cannot tell you who perpetrated “9/11”.  There are some things I can:

(1) Jet airliners have a structure to their body that gives them the fractability of an egg shell compared to,say, military jets.  Certain things should have happened that didn’t and other things that happened and shouldn’t have.  The nose and pilots cabin would have broken the surface of the building but after a short point should have been driven back into the main frame.  The wings (fuel tanks) would smash against the building and burst open outside the building causing a huge fireball on the outside of the building.

(2) The Pentagon was built as a highly reinforced building.  No jetliner should have been able to penetrate the exterior.  There should have also been an extremely huge fireball on the exterior of the building.

(3)  NORAD was ordered to “STAND DOWN” that day.  An order to stand down can only be issued by the Executive Branch of the U.S. government.


(4)  What other crime scene have you seen the evidence not only tampered with but actually physically removed destroying any chance of a forensic investigation.

    Whatever your perception it seems as if someone is trying to hide something. Care to guess who?

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By diamond, March 9, 2011 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

Didn’t the US Congress pass a law that made it illegal to use any taxpayer funds to bring any of those on this modern day Devil’s Island to the mainland for trial? How is Obama supposed to do it? Pay for it out of his royalties? It’s clear the US Congress has a lot to hide on this particular subject and don’t want any of those allegedly involved to have their day in open court. I can understand why, but I still despise them for their cowardice and their complicity.

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By Not One More!, March 9, 2011 at 5:34 pm Link to this comment

Scheer writes: “It must be said that Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court.”

Okay, I admit that is where I stopped reading the article.

First off, the last thing that Obama wants to do is find truth, because if the truth is revealed, his own complicity with war crimes will become evident. The only governmental policy Obama clearly supports is more secrecy.

When people say there can’t be a ‘conspiracy’ that would cover-up the real facts of September 11, I say think again. Some would disagree and point out the misinformation that was reported by practically every mainstream media that led up to the start of the Iraq invasion. The newspapers were intentionally misleading because most (if not all) knew that they were reported false facts (government propaganda).

I still occasionally find ‘supporters’ of the Iraq war who believe that Saddam was somehow involved with the attack. The more ‘rational’ of the war supporters now state that it was righteous to get rid of that despot Saddam (though they were equally fanatic about the weapons of mass destruction argument until it became obvious how false it was).

Certainly, nothing will change as long as articles get printed like this and the supposed liberal/democratic population uses it to justify their support of the democratic party.

If you want peace and justice, you have to vote third party.  Otherwise you are just voting for the lesser of two evils.

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By brianrouth, March 9, 2011 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

this movie spells it out http://vimeo.com/20715539

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 9, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Leave up to TheHandyman to name call and shoot down the truth found on video footage and witness testimonial….

TheHandyman is a SHILL.

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By Arraya, March 9, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

TheHandyman - your joking right.  Sure there is a sea of idiots on every side of
every issue

But to not see the obvious, you have either not gone over the data or having
trouble reconciling emotion with logic.

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By Geoffrey Accursi Sr, March 9, 2011 at 4:35 pm Link to this comment
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Any reasonable person must be wondering what they are hiding? I don’t profess to know all the details about what happened on 9/11 and I don’t thing any of the other commenters do either? But I do know that just as with the Kennedy Assassination, the official investigation has been a complete whitewash! In both cases there seems to be a deliberate effort to avoid any outside access to the “evidence” and also in the case of 9/11 to assure there can be no independent evaluation of the claimed “testimonies” of the accused! The fact that we hold people “indefinitely” without charging them because we “don’t have enough evidence to charge them with anything?” Sounds like the former USSR, North Korea, China or some other country we love to criticize!

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By TheHandyman, March 9, 2011 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

One only has to go through these posts to realize how bad our educational system has become. The thread on this article is full of the ramblings of the undereducated fools that find the most difficult and convoluted theories to explain that which isn’t. They lack logic or critical thinking skills. It would seem that most of them were home school by rabid gerbils. They are like lemmings running for the edge of the cliff and upon realizing that they are doomed begin to blame everyone and everything except the most obvious for their condition.

Scheer once again hits the nail on the head but people who should listen are too busy spinning like whirling dervishes!

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By jaycee, March 9, 2011 at 4:12 pm Link to this comment
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Is it really necessary to engage in a fit of childish name-calling because
someone does not share the same speculative conclusions as yourself? As a
rhetorical tactic it does little but ensure our collective wheels continue to merely
spin in the sand.

Scheer, at the very least, articulates an important observation:

“we still must rely for our understanding of what happened on a narrative
informed not by the full disclosure revealed by the evaluation of a vetted record
and robust cross-examination in open court of the key witnesses but rather by
the unexamined and unquestioned reckoning of the facts supplied by the
government officials”

This is true of any number of controversial events across the past half-century;
from the JFK-MLK-RFK assassinations, to Watergate, OKC bombing, 9-11, the
anthrax attacks, and so on. In a properly functioning republic, this should not
be such a consistent feature, and acts as proof that there is something very
very wrong at the heart of the body politic.

That should be something we can all agree on.

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By Gerald Sutliff, March 9, 2011 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment
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Thank you for rising the issue again.  Yes we do need some serious investigations and answers. 
IMHO the simplest answers are the closest to the truth; here’s my take.
Bush/Chaney were too arrogant to accept any advise from Clinton’s staff.  Ben Laden’s attack was a “mouse trap” play which our dumbo fell for; after all his eyes were on the prize, Iraq.
Now we’re too arrogant ta admit we can’t win and pull out of Afghanistan.  “False pride goth before the fall.”

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By smartnsweet1, March 9, 2011 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Just read a thriller that could answer questions about what possibly happened on 9/11.  Check out Devil Wind, by Shlian and Reid—couldn’t put it down, makes more sense than the official story.

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