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Posted on Mar 9, 2011
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A trailer set up as a military hearing room for detainees in 2006 at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

By Robert Scheer

Ignorance is the real victor in the president’s reluctant decision to abandon the effort to bring the alleged perpetrators of the 9/11 terrorist attack to account in civilian court. The significance of a fair and public trial would be to reveal to the world the motives and makeup of those we must defeat, and yet the very people in this country who claim to be the most militant in combating terrorism have been the most energetic and effective in stifling that inquiry.

It must be said that Barack Obama deserves credit for attempting to show the world that truth will triumph and justice will prevail when even the most dastardly offenders are given their day in court. But faced with a shrill Republican-led opposition in Congress that succeeded in banning the trials on U.S. soil, the president reluctantly reversed the decision he had made upon taking office to halt military commission trials of those detained at Guantanamo. The announcement Monday by Defense Secretary Robert Gates rescinding the ban on the military trials also called for the indefinite imprisonment of those Guantanamo inmates thought to be too dangerous to be released but against whom the government doesn’t have enough evidence to obtain convictions. The shortcomings of the military commission trials was denounced by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who said such proceedings fall “far short of core constitutional values by failing to provide judicial review of cases considered by the review board’ and to guarantee “meaningful assistance of counsel” to those accused.

But it is not the rights of the accused, important as they are, that should be the main concern here. Rather it is the right—indeed, need—of the American public to learn the truth about the motives, financing and methods of those who are alleged to have torn at the heart of our social fabric. What led 15 solid citizens of our ally Saudi Arabia to hijack those planes under direction of their Western-educated leaders is still murky. How did our allies in the war against Soviet communism in Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, come to mastermind that savage attack on America? It is startling that, almost a decade after the attack, we still must rely for our understanding of what happened on a narrative informed not by the full disclosure revealed by the evaluation of a vetted record and robust cross-examination in open court of the key witnesses but rather by the unexamined and unquestioned reckoning of the facts supplied by the government officials who interrogated and indeed tortured the prisoners, most significantly Mohammed.

What the public has been led to believe about the events of 9/11 is most fully encapsulated in the report of the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, appointed by President George W. Bush. But the Bush administration denied the commission access to the prisoners whose testimony, elicited after torture, provided the basic narrative as to how Sept. 11, 2001, came to be. That fatal flaw in the investigation was clearly conceded in a box on Page 146 of the official 9/11 Commission report containing a disclaimer that the key chapters “rely heavily on information from captured al Qaeda members” and admitting that the commission was dependent on hearsay reports from the interrogators as to what those witnesses actually said.

“We submitted questions for use in the interrogations but had no control over whether, when, or how questions of particular interest would be asked. Nor were we allowed to talk to the interrogators so that we could better judge the credibility of the detainees and clarify ambiguities in the reporting. We were told that our requests might disrupt the sensitive interrogation process.”

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By Gary Mont, May 14, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment

drbhelthi:Regarding 9-11, one singular, accurate bit of information, published by major news media, that has come to my attention, was that of an early-bird newscaster near the Pentagon.

Actually, all that is needed is a single high ranking person of authority; whose clearance and record of service makes him an impeccable witness, to spill the beans about 9/11 and prove it was a false flag operation, and its all over for the fascists and their plans for a global fuedal social structure run by billioniare Mafiaosa and corporate tycoons.

And they know it. smile

An awake America would be thing of absolute beauty.

Keeping fingers crossed.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, May 14, 2011 at 9:34 am Link to this comment

Here here, drbhelthi!

The word is getting out… folks in the military have been waking up, and the coup of the top rung of government is being revealed.

A similar thing happened during the Byzantine Empire, where the Muslim ( not trying to continue the “its the Muslims that are coming to get us” storyline, but stating historical facts ) opposition entered the capital premises and usurped the empire’s top brass.. and from one day to the next the leadership changed, along with the direction of the empire… yet the very next day, no one on the street knew anything had changed…. not for many years after.

By the time laws had passed, and certain events have happened, it was too late to ‘revolt’ or reverse things, for the bureaucracy was infiltrated with people not willing to lose their positions on the empirical ladder.  And it is THIS phenomenon which is the real crux of the problem, I think. 

Those who would rather keep the continuity of government and not find themselves outside the sphere of influence will stay complicit and will continue their obedience to the carrot ( the fiat ).

I simply see a repeat of history if this in fact is what happened. 

Now, whether it was an Arab element, or another Semitic tribal element, or whomever that has usurped the top string of government power I don’t know yet, but I do think and believe this is what was orchestrated that day ( up to and continuing today ).

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By drbhelthi, May 14, 2011 at 1:43 am Link to this comment

“I’ve been either censored / prevented or what-have-you, due to their
supposed switching of servers…. and I was stuck seeing the same articles
from Easter / Ishtar weekend!” By Napolean DoneHisPart, May 13 at 9:53 pm

Many of us were in the same boat, but for a shorter period of time.  It is
reported to have been a genuine server problem.  Which is understandable,
with the various evil people who are trying to remove Truthdig (Rico
thought-pattern) from the internet.  Some of us view the acceleration in
this area to point toward a 4th WTC Tower-type event.  Several observant
“sensitives” have forecast the Willis Tower (formerly Sears Tower) in
Chicago to be next in line.  It has allegedly been bought by the same evil-
types as owned the fraudulently-demolished three buildings in NYC on 9-11,
whose “religious” affiliation is well established.

Regarding 9-11, one singular, accurate bit of information, published by
major news media, that has come to my attention, was that of an early-bird
newscaster near the Pentagon.  He was on the scene before the USGOV began to
present their manipulated TV footage, clamping down on the genuine news.  He
asked a lady who was walking nearby if she had seen anything.  She
responded, “- it looked to me like some kind of small airplane.”  An
excellent description of the USNAVY Tomahawk and the USAF Cruise.  In 2002,
the F.B.I. notified a European intelligence agency that, instead of an
airliner, a Cruise Missile had struck the Pentagon. 

Of course, all of us who have been pilots and aviation mechanics, who have
either witnessed –or participated in the cleanup of- an airliner crash, know
that the “Pentagon attack” was fraudulent.  Absent tons of aluminium, blood
and guts, spattered on the outter Pentagon wall, with similar rubble
scattered on the lawn, and fires from the jet fuel, the initial TV coverage
verified that no airliner crashed into the Pentagon. 

Considering the most recent information, I wonder if the S.E.A.L. event even
occurred in Pakistan.  Perhaps in a C.I.A. enclosure in Iraq?  Similar to
Obama with cabinet, viewing the grey static (per C.I.A. Chief, Panetta) on
their TV screen while portraying horror, like “captive” drama students. 
Drama students?  NO.  Just “captive defrauders.” 
Who do not care to be assassinated for whistle-blowing.
See the “Chronicles of Chip Tatum”, and videos of John Stockwell, former CIA
station chief.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, May 13, 2011 at 9:53 pm Link to this comment

Wow, TD FINALLY fixed their site so I can see the updated articles…

I’ve been either censored / prevented or what-have-you, due to their supposed switching of servers…. and I was stuck seeing the same articles from Easter / Ishtar weekend!

The only thing updating was the date at the upper right-hand corner.

Scheer is still a shill unless he writes an article speaking about Tower 7, Silverstein’s admitted and recorded words regarding “pulling” that building, and the countless eyewitnesses of the demolition of all three towers by police, fire personal and others…

Scheer, you suck dude! 

I hope you enjoy the dinner parties with the Huffington-Roast and the other sell-outs. 

Joker.

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By Gary Mont, May 12, 2011 at 2:01 am Link to this comment

rdahlin:....Now I say that if we amass a critical mass not unlike that of Egypt….

I doubt very much that what happened in Egypt was either spontaneous or homegrown. I see the black hand of the CIA all over the events taking place in the mideast. To control the oil one must control the middle east. Since most of the world no longer wants to trade oil for US dollars, it is imperative that the US Fed gain massive control ASAP in that particular area of the globe.

A popular uprising in the USA would be met with extreme hi-tech violence and mass incarceration and a total loss of human and property rights by those arrested. It would be treated legally and in the press as a homegrown terrorist attack.

Specific acts of property destruction would be carried out and recorded by disguised CIA operatives in order to provide “proof” of the terrorist attack claim.

Surely you did not think the Fed was building all those barb-wired compounds in every state to house an influx of boat people….

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By drbhelthi, May 12, 2011 at 1:34 am Link to this comment

Robert Sheer wrote this disinformative propaganda?

Verified, factual information follows:
- The F.B.I. found no evidence that Osama bin Laden was involved in 9-11;
- Thermite and radioactivity were detected in the WTC rubble.                                      - The F.B.I. notified European intelligence that a Cruise Missile hit the pentagon;
- At least four, pentagon video cameras recorded the event. No videos are available?

The mental illness of power-crazed leadership is recorded throughout human history.
Millions of innocent indigenous in foreign countries were slaughtered by the total U.S. Military during the over 35-yr period of which GHWBushSr was the secretive “C.E.O.” of the CIA,
plus
the Bush presidency 2000-2008; (see The Chronicles of Chip Tatum);
(see the videos of former CIA station chief John Stockwell).                                        Plus, the illegal occupant of the U.S.Presidency has continued the carnage, and amplified the destruction. 

Persons who are still in the dark about 9-11 are those who refuse to accept the facts. Above all, bribed and threatened insiders know the facts.  They also know that if they blow the whistle, and are detected, they will be assassinated.  They do not seem to notice that they are being slowly removed, one by one, without prior notification.  Being honest might speed-up that which is already happening; but, it might not.
An Area 51 acquaintance questioned, was “Barack H. Obama” even born (on earth) ?

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By LocalHero, May 12, 2011 at 12:28 am Link to this comment

No sane man could have written this article and it
would take an army of sane men to correct it. What a
god-damned, farcical mess.

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By fearnotruth, March 21, 2011 at 2:44 pm Link to this comment

RE: ...a critical mass not unlike that of Egypt and now building in
Libya…

careful - those so-called “people-power, copy-cat,
color revolutions” look awfully suspicious, especially Lybia
now the pretext for a war of aggression, clearly staged

Tunisia / Egypt gambit might well be the tactical moves
designed to entrap Lybia - remember the figure in the shadows
of the current US regime - Zbinew Brzezinsk, with his
Arc of Crisis strategy over his Grand Chessboard paradigm

- e.g.

http://www.progressivepress.com/news/egypt-color-revolution-cia-mi6

Egypt Color Revolution by CIA, MI6
Date:  Saturday, January 29, 2011
Author(s):  F. William Engdahl
Webster Griffin Tarpley
Tarpley, Engdahl Analyses on Russia Today

Protests inspired by the revolt in Tunisia have spread to Egypt, Yemen and
Algeria with citizens calling for governmental change. Authors Webster Tarpley
and William Engdahl argue that uprisings in Egypt and elsewhere in the Middle
East are orchestrated by the CIA, MI6 and NGO’s like Freedom House.

Watch Tarpley interview here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/RTAmerica#p/u/0/1USdMUWbIdo

What is the motive? Mubarak is not dependent enough on the US-NATO-IMF.
Will CIA-MI6 succeed and what can they achieve? Can the demonstrators win
with the Internet turned off? The army is behind Mubarak, an ex-fighter pilot.
What if the US cuts off crucial wheat supplies to Egypt? And what might replace
Mubarak—another dictator, or the Muslim Brotherhood? The US-sponsored
Green Revolutions failed in Iran and Lebanon…

But don’t the protestors have real grievances? Yes. The color revolution modus
operandi is to channel those aspirations for purposes of empire. Color
revolutions, but they are based on the world economic depression—jobless,
rising food and fuel prices, etc. The CIA wants to use the youth bulge to destroy
all the nation states of the MIddle East.

See Wm. Engdahl interview here:
http://rt.com/news/middle-east-unrest-versions/

“What happened in Georgia with the Rose Revolution and Orange Revolution in
Ukraine in 2003-2004 was part of a long-term strategy orchestrated by the
Pentagon, the State Department and various US-financed NGOs like Freedom
House and National Endowment for Democracy to create pro-NATO regime
change in those former Soviet Union areas and to literally encircle Russia…

”What is going on in the Middle East with the Jasmine Revolution in Tunisia that
we saw a few days ago, and now in Egypt with Mubarak in his 80s, and
obviously a regime that is not exactly the most stable one, we have a food
crisis taking place as a backdrop and the IMF coming and telling these countries
to eliminate their state food subsidies so you have, of course, the explosive
background for popular unrest. Within that you have these NGOs, like Freedom
House, training activists and trade unions and various other organizations to
demand democracy, demand human rights and so forth,” author and
researcher William Engdahl told RT.

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By rdahlin, March 20, 2011 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment
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COMMENTS ON DARK, 20 MAR.

Mont – Regrettably, Mr. Mont, I’ll have to agree with you on your conclusions about the condition of the republics.  In about ’03 or ’04, a colleague asked me is the “country” is saveable.  I said in no uncertain words that the time for armed revolution is overdue.  The so-called “country” is so far gone, corrupt to the core and entirely occupied by the enemies of the state, we the people, that it is unfixable.  Now I say that if we amass a critical mass not unlike that of Egypt and now building in Libya we have a chance to root out the evil doers.  Anything less is impossible to root out.  At all times reserving the right and option to escalate to armed revolution as a last resort.

Drbhelthi – Sir, with all due respect, there are so few true “Americans” these days, if we had to depend on them, we’d all starve to death much less win the fight.  “Americans” are by law those who are retaining their original birthright, has not thwarted it by assuming voluntarily the status change to U.S. citizen, entered into contract with the SSA, and subjected self to the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S., meaning Washington, D.C.  If you say the “country” when meaning the whole of the Union, you cannot be an “American” though can be an “Amerikan”.  Which one are you?

In as much as the LHN being wolf in sheep’s clothing, perhaps more than the majority of souls in the de facto U.S. agree with you.  He has made it abundantly clear that he is not for the interests of the people for which he took a solemn oath.  Well, the U.S. Congress has not taken the LHN to task nor do they intend to correct the dysfunctional gov’t. apparatus.  Where does the ultimate responsibility lie?  In your form of gov’t. the individual and respective states are to take control of the creature, the U.S., they instituted/created.  Further, when the individual states fail their solemn duty to act, it falls to the people to correct this runaway gov’t. state apparatus and start reigning in on their public servants causing them to act in the people’s interests.  In your form of government, it exists solely for the purpose in satisfying the interests of the people.  Can you honestly tell me they are doing so?

I don’t like to repeat myself, “We have met the enemy and it is the one in the mirror”.  If not now, when will the people unite?

I tend to be more solution oriented and builder of bridges.  When will the people unite?

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By Gary Mont, March 19, 2011 at 3:16 pm Link to this comment

Well, I said it before but I think its worth repeating…

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Well, here’s another wee bit of reality you can all ignore.

Naught will change in the Ex-USA until “They The People” realize that the Vote process has been intercepted and commericialized as a consumer pacifier, and is no longer a threat to the ruling corporate interests who now occupy the seat of government.

Your presidents, congress-critters and other so-called “representatives” are no longer dependant upon the whims of The People’s vote. They’re put into and dropped out of office by the same board of directors that planned and executed the 9/11 based war-plan, the super-profittable financial fiascos and bailouts, and the consequent complete conquest of the USA.

Until you realize you have been invaded and defeated and are currently under occupation by the real enemy of freedom, you’re never going to recognise the real enemy, let alone figure out how to defeat it.

“If the vote was effective, it would be illegal.”

Ok now, back to your regularly scheduled pablum.

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By drbhelthi, March 19, 2011 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

Americans need to become more critical of Mr. H.B.Obama, his shadow
supporters, and the U.S. citizenry who naively continue to expect him to carry out his pre-election promises.

Instead of threatening to send U.S. military dupes to Lybia, Mr.
“Obama” might more constructively interrupt the genocide of Moslems
in their homelands, interrupt the artificial, GHWBushSr entourage
“war on terror,” withdraw U.S.Military Americans from a few hundred
“U.S. bases overseas,” and disband illegal organizations such as
AmericanTaskForce 373, which conduct surreptitious war against
foreign governments, without the approval of the U.S. Congress.

THE PISSING AWAY OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE U.S.CONGRESS BY THE SHADOW
GOVERNMENT, via the in-place PIMPERY, SHOULD BE TAKEN PERSONALLY BY EACH ELECTED MEMBER OF CONGRESS !!!

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 18, 2011 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

And I dare state these burning words because this Shill Scheer omits Tower 7, like his handlers request him to.

What a boob. 

Your gated community can only keep you safe for so long.. the people WILL demand an accounting.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 18, 2011 at 8:47 pm Link to this comment

“Still in the Dark About 9/11”

Was Scheer confessing where he stands on this hot topic?

Is he admitting HE is in the dark.. or trying to keep his readers in the dark?

Scheer is a Shill.  Plain and simple.

Can’t wait for that payoff like Huffington, hey buddy?  Who are you in talks with now?  LA Times?  New York Times?

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By rdahlin, March 18, 2011 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment
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In the dark on 9/11 – 17 Mar., St. Patty’s Day

First I agree 100% with Mont’s comments to Maani.
I might add if I may, I again stress as Mont says that it is ignorance of history that people are unresponsive to the shocks they are subjected to every day, believing that they have the best gov’t. officials that money can buy.  Certainly, more people were sacrificed in the so-called war named Viet Nam.  Additionally, at play hea is a phenomena called cognitive dissonance where, the facts don’t fit the model that the individual was trained to believe the actual workings of the their society.  Further, the people are each internally encouraged to inaction because if they conscientiously acknowledged the actual facts they’d be compelled to get their respective asses off the couch and comfort zone to do some thing about the problem(s).  The greater masses are in denial of the facts.  I first experienced this in the mid-80’s afta reading, “None Dare Call It Conspiracy”, Allen.  I was 3yrs. in denial, saying to myself, “my government would not have done this?”.  This was even after despite my following the U.S. income tax rhetoric back in the late 50’s while in high school and later examining the controverted facts of the Kennedy assassination in the ‘60’s. The people are in denial so that they won’t have to do anything about it. 
Hitler’s minister of propaganda stated many times, tell a big lie and they’ll believe it all the more.  Tell a lie often enough pretty soon it is accepted as the truth.

Most people will tend to believe that the Hitler and his regime was evil.  Folks this is what we are dealing with, nothing less than the forces of good and evil to demonstrate another facet of what Mont said “good and bad”.  I’m not particularly a religious/cult man, however, my Holy Bible instructor says that the world is ruled by Satan himself.  I’ll have to ask him again where the authority for those quotes are found, book, chapter and verse.  If you can accept this, we the forces for good are simply at war with the forces of evil.  Satan is certainly a formidable enemy especially against mere mortal men. Didn’t your respective mums warn you that there are certainly evil persons in the world?

Cops are always suspicious of everyone, even good people.  Does this make then “bad”, perhaps not, but this much I know, they violate their oath of office every day.

It was sometime at 0415hst that I was called by a friend about the 9/11 attack.  I instinctively and said to myself, will we ever know the true story behind this horrific attack.  Days later when I first saw the video of the WTC towers coming down, I could hardly believe my eyes and realized that this whole deal was faked.  Then again later when seeing Bldg. 7 come down.  Here it is 10yrs. later and we still don’t know the actual perpetrators. 
Maani – this is why the power elite is so rigorously pursuing Wikileaks, Assange & PFC Bradley Manning so vehemently simply to terminate any adverse leakage of vital information that possibly could cause their down fall.  They are trying to take total control of all information and taking vigorous action against all whistleblowers.  Part of this evil strategy is to wage a campaign against so-called, “conspiracy theorists” and “whacko militia types”, “anti-Semites”, and “hate crimes”.

I believe the term is “Afghans” or “Pashtuns”(largest tribe).

Forgive me for being so verbose/wordy, by nature I’m an introverted man.  All I want is to be left alone so I can go back to hunting.

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By Gary Mont, March 16, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

Maani: “
N.B. The other main aspect of 9/11 that prevent most people from wrapping their minds around the truth is that they cannot imagine their own government (or individuals and agencies of that government) murdering almost 3,000 of its own citizens in order to advance a political-economic agenda.  This is because most people are ignorant of history, particularly re “false flag” and black op operations that have in fact led to the deaths of American citizens.  9/11 was only “unique” in the sheer number of those “sacrificed” for the agenda.]”

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There is another aspect of this seldom noted. Most people do not conspire to profit by ending the lives of others and these people generally cannot conceive of such actions as being realistic.

They cannot “wrap their minds around” the extent to which some people will go to gather wealth and power to themselves.

To put it in its simplest terms; good people cannot conceive of the lengths to which bad people will go to gain the things they want.

When “good” people are confronted by the facts of such heinous acts by “bad” people as 9/11, disbelief is the first and usually only reaction. They will manufacture excuses and rationales unless a helping hand produces a cover story that does this for them.

People tend to believe that others are pretty much the same as themselves - Good Folks think most folks are good and bad folks think most folks are bad.

While I dislike using the terms good and bad, its the simplest mechanism I can find to make this point.

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By Maani, March 16, 2011 at 5:30 pm Link to this comment

Gary:

Superb post.  A couple of comments.

“Consider - they made trillions of dollars from the theft of three national treasuries - Iraq, Afghanistan and the USA. This gives them nearly unlimited funding for anything their minds can imagine. They can buy outright or have murdered, any official, beaureaucrat, politician, judge, cop, lawyer, or citizen necessary.”

You forgot perhaps the largest single amount they may have scooped up: the missing $2.3 TRILLION for which all the paperwork was lost when the Pentagon was “hit”: by sheer coincidence (NOT!), the area of the Pentagon that was affected just happened to be the area where the records of that money were kept.

“Their crime involved hundreds if not thousands of people, all of whom needed to be paid off and watched, (or simply murdered after the fact), who could each spill at the least, a portion of the beans.”

Thank you for your courage in stating this, since for so many people this is one of the two things that prevents them from wrapping their mind around the truth of 9/11: i.e., the question of how “so many people” could keep such an enormous conspiracy “quiet”; that there would eventually have to be whistleblowers or others who would come forward; that it is impossible for so many people to be involved, and yet not one of them comes forward with “smoking gun” evidence.  It would take me too long here to provide an exegesis on how a conspiracy theory works, and why it is is ENTIRELY possible to have “so many people” involved and yet not have the conspiracy “broken” at some point.  Bravo.

[N.B. The other main aspect of 9/11 that prevent most people from wrapping their minds around the truth is that they cannot imagine their own government (or individuals and agencies of that government) murdering almost 3,000 of its own citizens in order to advance a political-economic agenda.  This is because most people are ignorant of history, particularly re “false flag” and black op operations that have in fact led to the deaths of American citizens.  9/11 was only “unique” in the sheer number of those “sacrificed” for the agenda.]

Peace.

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By Gary Mont, March 16, 2011 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

To Maani,

Thanks. If time permits I will examine the book.

However, a much easier method to determining the methods used by the perpetrators to cover-up this massive crime against humanity called 9/11, is to simply ask yourself, what you would do in their shoes.

Consider - they made trillions of dollars from the theft of three national treasuries - Iraq, Afghanistan and the USA. This gives them nearly unlimited funding for anything their minds can imagine. They can buy outright or have murdered, any official, beaureaucrat, politician, judge, cop, lawyer, or citizen necessary.

They control the federal government and all its agencies, giving them access to decades of clandestine expertise as well as some of the world’s best trained personel and some of the world’s best hi-tech equipment for espionage and sabotage and propaganda.

They murdered thousands of people, Americans, Iraquis, Afghanis, (or is it Afghanistanis) purely for personal profit. The proper justice and retribution for their crimes would be death and loss of all their stolen wealth, anywhere on earth, so they have a very vested interest in derailing any attempt to bring them to justice.

Their crime involved hundreds if not thousands of people, all of whom needed to be paid off and watched, (or simply murdered after the fact), who could each spill at the least, a portion of the beans.

This is not a hit and run operation, but a siege and occupation, necessitating a continuous iron grip on all media, all politicians and all educators, including religious leaders. They hope to bring the world to war in order to lose all the facts of this crime in the chaos that ensues - a standard purpose of all wars.

They are indeed quite willing to bring about global economic failure, if they can use it to cover their tracks. There is no action excluded no matter how heinous, if it will create enough distraction to allow them to escape justice and enjoy the fruits of their criminal labors.

They have no choice but to use every means at their disposal to prevent the general public becoming aware of the facts behind the mass murder and consequent coverup known as 9/11.

Put yourself in their shoes and you will begin to see how easy it is to control a population through simple mis-information, mis-direction and infiltration of all external sources of information disemination, when you’re dealing with a public that actually WANTS to believe the official story-line.

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By rdahlin, March 16, 2011 at 3:07 pm Link to this comment
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Comments to Robert and Mont, art. dark, 16 Mar.

Affirm, the remark about Israelis being warned away from those points of attack was advanced at the ORD 9/11 conference.  I believe there is certainly circumstantial evidence that the Pakistani - ISI, Saudi, Italian, Philippine, CIA, FBI, Mossad, French, Deutche intelligence services who knew and gave advance warnings to the U.S. DOJ and CIA.  This was also an accusation made about the Murrah bldg. attack in OKC.

Mont - I personally would welcome Hugo Chavez’s sponsorship of this truth tribunal to keep things a little kosher, for lack of a better term.  The imperial U.S. has certainly no loss for enemies they have made.

Affirm, that is certainly a problem to be fleshed out on the enforcement of subpoena powers.  I believe we could look to this universal jurisdiction authority by Spain and ought to look to The Hague Tribunal too.  Though, these venues lend themselves to the tremendous influence and interference by the forces of the U.S.  That is why I like your suggestion of Chavez.  The LHN will be visiting some of these Latin Am. countries pretty soon to strengthen trade relations and other int’l business, but certainly not to Bolivia and Venezuela.

I believe that once a court of competent jurisdiction has ordered the arrest of certain personalities in certain countries they will be able to arrest these personalities once they enter the soil of these other jurisdictions.  Other steps may be taken to hem in these war criminals and possibly even freeze or confiscate their bank funds and assets.  I truly believe that there is more than one way to skin a cat.  We’ll just have to be creative.

I know that the Bushwhacker cancelled his late trip to Switzerland for a charity gala because he would have been arrested there and tried for torture crimes.  This form of imprisonment would just delight me, though not satisfy me.  We might study also how the Jewish campaign for Nazis conducted their war crimes trial of Eichmann back in the 60’s if I remember.  They I believed kidnapped this character and rendered him onto the jurisdiction of the trial tribunal.  I don’t fully oppose this method.

Mind you, the people will always emerge on top.

Agreed that LHN has never fooled this observer from the start of his great deception, wolf in sheep’s clothing.

“There is absolutely no way an international court will accomplish anything concrete in this case, aside from possibly establishing the perpetrators’ guilt and their modus operandi for posterity - outside of the USA.”
Well I can live with that; can’t you?  That would certainly be a great beginning, wouldn’t it?  Wouldn’t the people be better served by knowing who the actual perpetrators were and woeful of all the lies they spin.  Perhaps international sanctions against the U.S. (Apartheid style) would push the masses onto refusing to stick up for and protecting these mass murderers and war criminals.  The masses may even be induced to turn them devils over to the Interpol and shipped/rendered in their own planes (Boeing a/c used for extra-ordinary rendition) for sentencing.  I myself may even be induced to fly to their graves and pee all over them, even it takes several weeks to have enough for them all.

In the case of U.S. gov’t. defying the international tribunal, we simply add all the U.S. gov’t. officials to the list of defendants as mass murderers for obstruction of justice and offenses against mankind.  Remember at least 1 Jew was kia at WTC besides his fellow humanity.

Just be ready for a horribly large vacuum of power in the U.S.  There would have to be an ad hoc committee to assume power and leadership until a fair election could be held to replace the horde of mass murderers and complacent Nazi agents.  Then get ready for the next investigation to clean house!

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By Maani, March 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm Link to this comment

Mr. Mont et al:

Have any of you read David Ray Griffin’s newest book, Cognitive Infiltration?  If you have not, I HIGHLY recommend it on the subject of undermining the 9/11 truth movement.

Peace.

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By Robert, March 16, 2011 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Mossad - The Israeli
Connection To 911


By Christopher Bollyn


ISRAELIS FOREWARNED

“On September 12, 2001, the Internet edition of The Jerusalem Post reported, “The Israeli foreign ministry has collected the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack.”

Yet only one Israeli was killed at the WTC and two were reportedly killed on the “hijacked” aircraft.

Although a total of three Israeli lives were reportedly lost on 9/11, speechwriters for President George W. Bush grossly inflated the number of Israeli dead to 130 in the president’s address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001.

The fact that only one Israeli died at the WTC, while 4,000 Israelis were thought to have been at the scene of the attacks on 9/11 naturally led to a widespread rumor, blamed on Arabic sources, that Israelis had been forewarned to stay away that day.

“Whether this story was the origin of the rumor,” Bret Stephens, the Post’s editor-in-chief wrote in 2003, “I cannot say. What I can say is that there was no mistake in our reporting.” “


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Click on link for further details:

http://www.rense.com/general64/moss.htm

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By Gary Mont, March 16, 2011 at 5:05 am Link to this comment

Chavez might be persuaded to host an international tribunal of sorts, however, in order to prevent some disappointment beforehand, know that none of the perpetrators of this crime will “recognise” the authourity of the court formed and none of them will obey any subpoena or order to attend such a court, no matter what the world opinion might be.

These boys plan to spend their ill-gotten gains on designer drugs, russian slave girls and week long parties in their hidden castles and shelters. They’re all multi-billionaires now and need not obey any law of any land.

If it were otherwise, Mister Bush would have been forced to fall on his sword as soon as the office of president was turned over to the rental-ringer Obama, (who is about as democratic as the Ayatola Kummeini (sp?)), in order to keep the idiot from inadvertantly spilling the beans.

There is absolutely no way an international court will accomplish anything concrete in this case, aside from possibly establishing the perpetrators’ guilt and their modus operandi for posterity - outside of the USA.

The US federal government will vehemently deny the authourity of such a court and any findings/results it might produce, absolutely and eternally. They have no choice.

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Comments on the Ides of March.

Aloha Mont, Happy Ides of March.
I understand you to mean that already disinformation is being disseminated by the infiltrators.  Agreed that facts are a damned sight better than speculation or imagination.  I personally would rather rely upon fact.  The FBI has infiltrated all opposition parties or organizations it recognizes as a threat to the regime, power structure and U.S. official policy.  Therefore, I see no reason to believe the truth movement has not been infiltrated by U.S. agents.  The telltale will be when a provocateur will try to entrap one or a group into doing some thing stupid or into unprovoked violence.  Like you say we do what we have to do.
You are completely right about the “organized criminals” or Schiff’s “Federal Mafia” & I like to call them Nazis, they’re the same.

Ok, agreed that we need to flesh out the nano-thermite.  Can anyone get samples of the stuff or a good official source or documentation, affidavit of this material’s existence?  I myself wasn’t up to speed on this tact, I knew about the thermite as the explosive to cause the pulverization of the concrete and the steel skeleton interior structure.  Before reading it hea, I was clueless as to the nano-thermite & only heard that they had painted the stuff on the strategic locations during the inspection of the structure prior to the attack.  Yes, I heard & read about the pool of molten steel in the basement that held its high temp. for over a week or more during the rescue & clean-up operation.  Fortunately, I was able to attend the seminar and meeting in ORD, Chicago, a couple of years ago on 9/11.  The same disinformation was used in the Murrah building at OKC.

Is this the Chavez of Venezuela?  What to bankroll the investigation?  Yes if so, our enemy or their agents has most likely done a hit on him.  Obviously, they missed & obviously they’re distraction with the 2 so-called wars have ruled out for the time being from attacking his country.  Yes he’d be a candidate to help sponsor this criminal investigation.  We’d have to work on subpoenas – we’ll need to have a legitimate authority the enemy will recognize to have this investigative body’s subpoenas hailed as force of law.  Or have it conditional where evidence will have to be offered to counter a premise introduced by the body/team.  I would suspect the Chicom would help sponsor such an investigation along with Bolivia, Brazil and other countries.

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By Gary Mont, March 15, 2011 at 4:22 am Link to this comment

rdahlin
“Mr. Mont - It is without a doubt the U.S. feds have already infiltrated this movement, count on it, & will turn it.  We on the other hand I hope, cannot sit around and live eternally in fear.  You must remember the civil rights movement succeeded, at a cost, as did the Viet Nam war was stopped.  The early American colonists (terrorists and traitors) beat off the world’s greatest power.  The Roman Empire fell after nearly a thousand years.  Evil will always exist.  Remember my words, the U.S. will fall on its own sword.”

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I do not advocate living in fear, or obedience to dictators, organized criminals or those who promote anti-life cultures. I merely try to eliminate myths and false beliefs and forwarn those who would stand against the wind, as to which way the wind is blowing.

In this case, I thought it might be pertinent to point out that much of the distracting data is coming from the movement itself due to infiltration, rather than from confusion or misunderstanding the data.

The facts will always get you farther than even the best imagination.

IMO, the amount of unexploded nano-thermite found in the dust around ground zero is indicative of the extremely large amounts used to blow the support structures, and the resulting series of near-simultaneous explosions would be enough to cause readable seismic disturbances, and would have left a lake of molten steel at the bottom of the structure.

Space based Maser, Laser or Particle weapons would have caused some ionization in the air above the buildings as they struck, which would have shown up on one of the hundreds of photos and videos taken that day and the instantaneous disintegration of the building’s core would have created a vaccuum and resulted in an implosion of the outside structure.

Nukes would have left obvious radio-active signatures, followed by the usual radio-active disorders in those people within a certain radius of the center. I think also that even the smallest tactical nuke would have created a brilliant blinding flash and a far larger explosion than was seen or heard on that day.

You might want to try and approach Mister Chavez about an international trial. The perpetrators of this crime against humanity already hate him.

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Naani – like Mont has mentioned the entire U.S. has been usurped and they are ruling the country side and hold it in their interest to block a true criminal investigation unless they can skew it like the 9/11 commission.  That is why I emphasize we push for an internationally based investigation outside the control of the big boys who rule every political facet(yes everything is political) of life in the U.S.  This ruling elite had been doing this for a very long time.  Because we take it out of their hands & put it to the people of the world on all levels to rally just like and exactly like them poor idiot, uneducated, barbaric, radical, unwashed, uninformed, unorganized camel jockeys in Tahiri Sq. and Tunis.  This has to be a massive scale to overwhelm their resources and control.  There gots to be massive strikes to shut down gov’t, life, production, everything.  I applaud your efforts and your process tells us we gots to plan on a grand scale, the usurpers have amassed tremendous power and control.  Pretty soon it will be complete control & it will be harder to live anymore.  I’ve seen and fought this for about 30yrs. Already and it is only getting worst.  The question is do we want to live as slaves or as a free people and then fix the environment?  What did the early Christians decide when they were persecuted by the Romans?

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That is why I said the 9/11 criminal investigation must be on an international scale.  The forces against will not stand for a proper one that is why the NYC one had failed.  That would have been the proper jurisdiction.  I have a tendency to lean towards Judge Goldstone to be one of the international tribunal panelist.  I know how difficult it is going to be but the goal of the movement ought and must be to force an apolitical, international, proper criminal investigation of the multiple murder crimes with or without the cooperation of the U.S.  The Spanish might be persuaded to us their universal jurisdiction regime to conduct such an important criminal investigation.  I’m sure that the Iranians and Chicoms would lend a hand.  The Lincoln and Kennedy assassinations are only cases in point.  Mahalo, thank you, for making my point, sdemetri, - other examples of the shock doctrine at work is Rome is burning, the Reichstag is burning and the U.S.S. Maine explosion in Havana Harbor.  Are we going to stand by again to be whipsawed by the ruling elitists to institution their evil plan on us and the world?  I believe you’re right that the greater public must jump on the bandwagon to all impetus to the goal for an independent and proper criminal investigation.  Our greatest enemy will be to stop the surge for investigation and then if started to contain and control the results.  I believe there is reason to believe Giuliani was on the inside on this one.  He was the one removing the evidence when he knew this was crucial to a criminal investigation to preserve the evidence.  I wouldn’t doubt that the fed. Reserve was involved in the operation, though honestly I have no evidence.  I consider everyone suspicious, it was massive conspiracy.
Well them ragheads at Tahiri Sq. certainly taught us a lesson in participatory gov’t.  When enough fearless souls stand up to the school yard bully, we have the people back in power.
Agreed more and more “Amerika” is turning into an autocratic regime like the many other U.S. backed puppets.

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By rdahlin, March 15, 2011 at 12:33 am Link to this comment
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TAO Walker, 13 Mar. 2124 –
Braddah, there is no opposition and undoubtedly the term, “American” is an arbitrary term assigned as the cartographer; if memory serves.  I personally have no problem with and accept “Turtle and Hummingbird Islands” instead of the term, “America”.  I suppose none of the readers in this forum would accept to their names being changed by a stranger visiting their respective homes.  I can tell you right here and now that the conspiracy, planning, dispossession and genocide of the native “American” far overshadows the incident 9/11.  As far as I’m concerned and pursuant to public international law the native “American” or “aboriginals” of these lands still have perfect claim to the lands and improvements thereon even after more than 150yrs later.  If I stole a car from your father and replaced the motor and entire brake sys. and gave it a new paint job, I drive the hell out of it and your father passes, the car still belongs to his estate.  Passage of time or use does not pass title of stolen goods.
Agreed, the concept of “America” is only a dream or idea as are the terms justice, freedom, democracy, money, north, and liberty.  And I suppose one could also throw in the term x-mas.
I know that the Lakota Nation in So.Dak and elsewhere has disavowed the treaty and has declared their independence and sovereignty.  I don’t know if by now they have been recognized by Brazil and other nations.  I’ve applied for citizenship and asked about a passport, driver’s license & registration.
Here, I’m speaking from the dominant Roman Civil Authority/Law (occupier) when speaking of their legal system & is commonly recognized by the greater masses we are appealing to for support.  We must come from a common strata or base to unite.
Hokahey? Is that Navaho?

Mr. Mont - It is without a doubt the U.S. feds have already infiltrated this movement, count on it, & will turn it.  We on the other hand I hope, cannot sit around and live eternally in fear.  You must remember the civil rights movement succeeded, at a cost, as did the Viet Nam war was stopped.  The early American colonists (terrorists and traitors) beat off the world’s greatest power.  The Roman Empire fell after nearly a thousand years.  Evil will always exist.  Remember my words, the U.S. will fall on its own sword.

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By Gary Mont, March 14, 2011 at 10:13 pm Link to this comment

A simple note to those who expect results from associations like the truth movement.

Please note that the US Fed has an extremely long history of, and a great record of success at, infiltration and control of any organization it deems a threat to its bottom line.

All it usually takes is one charismatic and well versed federal mole to be accepted in a high position among the upper echelon of the movement and within months or years, that organization will be working directly but unknowingly for the most part, for the Federal government and will thereafter produce nothing useful to the original movement and instead will do as much harm as possible to the movement.

This is a Standard Operational Procedure undertaken for any external organized domestic threat. If the movement itself is not militant by nature, it will fall very quickly to this procedure. 

Note also that the longer such an organization exists, the greater the chance of its becoming another tool of the Fed.

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By drbhelthi, March 14, 2011 at 6:08 pm Link to this comment

“- - common elements of the larger movement” are too common, and miss the available information that uncovers criminals within the plutocracy, and their specific methods.  Like what kind of power burst is required to reduce eighty stories of steel to particles of dry dust, with very light radioactivity. Genuine physicists know the answer.

The calm, reassuring answers that self-appointed “highly qualified” bloggers present, are the basic disinformation. With this misguidance the mass movement is lead to continue to mask the inner sanctum of the oligarchy. Labeling as “wacko” accurate information that reveals details, misses the mark. Scapegoating is scapegoating, whether aggressive or gentle. Kill the messenger, themesong of all dictators and their paid pimpery.

It is however, refreshing to see a switch to an intelligentsia approach of providing distractingly common disinformation.  Such commonly distracting info tends to keep PFC Bradley Manning, hero types, from revealing more inside information.  How many oligarchy stoolies are now in the employ of the evil oligarchy, blogging “common type” information, while gently scapegoating inside info, might be interesting to know.

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By Maani, March 14, 2011 at 2:29 pm Link to this comment

sdemetri:

Thank you for the spuport.  I will happily return it by noting that your March 14 at 5:33 pm post should be required reading, as it perfectly explains the situation re the 9/11 truth movement, and the ways that it can be, and is, made to look “wacko” by the introduction of disinformation, misinformation and ridiculous theories (nuclear devices, etc.) that detract from the common elements of the larger movement.  (Personally, having been an active member of the movement for over six years - and studied it as deeply as most - I consider the Mossad angle to be mostly a detraction as well.)

Thanks for your calm, thoughtful, measured and knowledgeable posts.

Gary Mont:

Hear, hear.  Anyone who has not figured out that the U.S. has become a plutocracy, oligarchy, kleptocracy - name your quasi-democratic political form - has simply not been paying attention.

Peace.

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fearnotruth:
“not likely - disappearing anti-establishmentarians in the capitalist paradise is counterproductive - dismissing them as wackos works way better - willful conformity is so much more effective than forceful suppression and far easier to achieve”

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The people in power are not at all worried about those who toe the line due to fear of ridicule - those people are self-solving problems.

Certainly ridicule works very well on the vast majority of those who have learned or guessed the truth, or a part of the truth, but there are always those who will not bend to such passive methods of coercion.

Using the courts to convict rebellious people of manufactured crimes helps to make other would-be-rebels more obedient and less openly verbose, but even this does not sway the “real” patriots among the population.

For those people it is necessary to threaten their liveliehood, their friends, their families, and finally their lives.

Those few who fail to obey even these direct threats, must be disappeared with extreme prejudice, or made the victims of orchestrated accidents.

That has always been the standard methodology because it always works.

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By sdemetri, March 14, 2011 at 1:33 pm Link to this comment

rdahlin, I have to agree with Maani. I think the most likely and best the
movement can do is make sure the History Books know that a large segment of
the population don’t believe the official BS. As a congressman (I forget who)
said when asked about a new investigation, “we still don’t know who was
involved with Lincoln’s assassination.” An independent, and powerful
investigation is the best way to accomplish that, but as Maani said, the well
organized effort in NYC came very close but still short of that goal.

The opposition to the truth movement is capable of hijacking the message in
threads like this one. Misinformation, false information, deliberately planted
wacked-out theories that detract from the message while making the truth
movement look wacked-out is an ongoing problem. My concerns over harping
on “zionist” connections is part of that. I don’t believe for an instant that
nuclear weapons were used, and that particular poster may be deliberately
advancing such theories to derail sensible analysis.

I trained as a chemist. I don’t know of any radiological weapon that would not
leave a radiological signature if such a weapon was used. It is, in my opinion,
as poorly documented as a space-based weapon. It is a sensational theory, but
without merit, very possibly a deliberate diversion.

WHAT WE DO KNOW about the free fall acceleration of Building 7, and the very
thoroughly documented presence of un-ignited nanothermite in the dust are
lines of inquiry that I believe should be followed up on. This dust is available
for study. I was asked if I had access to the equipment necessary to do the
analysis. Sadly, I don’t. Other’s do, and corroboration by impartial third party
labs would go a long way to further confirming the results.

The truth movement is by no means a monolith with perfect consensus about
every aspect. Focusing on the “teachable” parts for the public’s benefit in my
mind would provide the best, most efficient way to further the cause, whether
that is a new investigation, or trying to resister our concerns for posterity.

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By drbhelthi, March 14, 2011 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

An interestingly swift job was done by NYC mayor Giuliani (1994 to
2001) removing certain debri from the Twin Tower remains. The
election of another mayor, shortly after 9-11, tends to shield
comrade Guiliani from the facts.  Sad, that thousands of workers were
not shielded from the radioactive dust. And now, over one hundred
million dollars of illegal stocks trading were found on hard-drives
of computers, that were partially destroyed. This additional, factual
information points to a “society” who knew aforehand of 9-11, and
were set up to trade stocks at the last minute. Is the board room of
this society associated with the Federal Reserve ?

Now that more facts are available, let´s look westward.  Guiliani´s
friend Rahm Emanuel has been slid into the Chicago mayoral office. Of
course, it was done legally, more accurately stated, IAW judicial
ruling. Mister Sherman Skolnick, American Patriot, a scholarly
American Jew, provided the Illinois judicial system with remarkable
clean-up assistance. But that was thirty years ago. A few
assassinations can swiftly alter Federal Judgeships.

The Willis Tower, for years the Sears Tower in Chicago, is NOW
listed, interestingly, as the tallest skyscraper in the western
hemisphere.  Is it the next landmark scheduled for nuclear
demolition?  If so, who will be artificially scapegoated ?  The fairy
tale about “Moslems” is wearing as thin as the dollar.  Will the
Vatican be scapegoated for fronting Christianity, or the Gideons for
spreading Bibles?  And who is set up to receive the hundreds of
millions in insurance coverage?  A member of the one hundred million,
illegal stock trading society of 10 September 2001? Or, an elitist
zionist living in and parasiting on the USA ? Or, is this identical?

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The men who flew the planes explained very clearly why they were doing so in their final public
message: they were attacking a symbol of the US because it is the main support of Israel’s
oppression of the Palestinians

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outstandingly theatrical psy-op to follow the brilliantly successful black-op; rolling onward into
the Global War Of Terror - the most heinously successful black-op/psy-op of all time

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As for Gary Mont’s prediction: Anyone still touting anything other than the official story will
be “rendered” moot, via Extraordinary Rendition, if threats of violence to their family members
fails to shut them up.

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not likely - disappearing anti-establishmentarians in the capitalist paradise is
counterproductive - dismissing them as wackos works way better - willful conformity is so
much more effective than forceful suppression and far easier to achieve

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By Gary Mont, March 14, 2011 at 1:57 am Link to this comment

kulu:
“Put it this way; it would not surprise me one bit if some years down the track irrefutable proof of a conspiracy were to surface.”

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Normally, once the perpetrators of a massive conspiracy have all died off, the veil begins to lift on the facts surrounding these kinds of crimes.

However, this crime is an exception to that rule.

The people who have conquered America are Dynastic in mentality and plan to pass their ill-gotten gains on to their off-spring, who they will insure take over the reigns of power when they die.

In order to do this, America must undergo a small Dark Age - a few decades of war, terrorism, and poverty usually suffice to transform an educated population into a gang of superstitious and religious savages, susceptible to the technological magics of their oppressors.

Wartime Education will again teach only the official version of events and in three generations, the Bush Cheney version of 9/11 will be the only one anyone is willing to remember.

Anyone still touting anything other than the official story will be “rendered” moot, via Extraordinary Rendition, if threats of violence to their family members fails to shut them up.

Look to the past.

The people who have invaded America are not thinkers -they hire thinkers yes, but they are simply using what worked for others like them, in the past.

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By kulu, March 14, 2011 at 1:27 am Link to this comment

There are just too many unanswered questions, too much lack of transparency, too much for the Rumsfeld/Cheney gang to gain from the crisis and too much that has happened post 9/11 to not give great credence to many of the arguments of the conspiracy theorists.

Put it this way; it would not surprise me one bit if some years down the track irrefutable proof of a conspiracy were to surface.

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By Gary Mont, March 14, 2011 at 1:08 am Link to this comment

Maani:
“If the “powers that be” in little old - mostly liberal, and primarily affected by 9/11 - NYC would not allow it, what makes you think the “powers that be” anywhere else - much less DC - would ever allow such an investigation?”

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Hmmmmm, The United States of America you say…

Sounds an awful lot like the way they do things in them un-american places like Libya or Egypt, more and more each day.

Obviously the Bush-Cheney internal overthrow of America was 100% successful.

I think you folks oughta start thinking about the situation you’re in now, as a conquered population living under an occupying force, even if the occupying force is domestic rather than foreign.

You, America, have been conquered while you slept, by your own most respected and richest citizens.

You did know that a number of your biggest corporations tried to overthrow the US Government for Hitler near the beginning of World War Two I hope. They got caught, but black-mailed the Fed into dropping the charges or they would ONLY supply the steel, aluminum, gasoline etc. to the Germans. If you want to know who these companies were, just check out the records of who got paid millions after the war ended, for the damages done by the Allies to their factories in Germany.

It appears their descendants succeeded this time.

You no longer have access to the legal means of redress your Constitution used to afford, because the occupying force does not answer to your laws or the constitution.

Maybe all those foreign rendition operations Bush-Cheney set up abroad were meant for re-educating uppity Americans, and not as thought, for making video-tapes of tortured foreigners for Fascist movie lovers.

Methinks y’all missed the wake up bell this time.

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By Maani, March 14, 2011 at 12:25 am Link to this comment

rdahlin:

Re a new, thorough, non-partisan, non-political, subpoena-powered investigation into the events of 9/11, as a former member of NYCCAN I was involved in the effort to set up just such an investigation, with a larger, broader-based commission, which would have included not only political and legal experts, but also family members and first responders.

Not only did we have more than enough petition signatures to have a referendum put on the ballot in NY, but we had the active support of such notables as former Sen. Lincoln Chafee, former Sen. Mike Gravel, actors Ed Asner and Daniel Sunjata, and others.

Yet despite all this, the “powers that be” (both legal and political) were able to prevent the referendum from being put on the ballot.  No doubt they were terrified that the referendum would actually pass.

If the “powers that be” in little old - mostly liberal, and primarily affected by 9/11 - NYC would not allow it, what makes you think the “powers that be” anywhere else - much less DC - would ever allow such an investigation?

Peace.

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By reading some of the comments, I find a fundamental misconception of the commentators about their own country.  Most agree that the whole of the Union equates to the whole of the country.  That is an untruth pushed on the traitors who conspire against the people that are our masters.  The U.S.A. is comprised of at least 48 individual, separate, free and sovereign nation states.  Washington, D.C./U.S. is not a state or country, it is merely the seat of government for the Union of the several states, nothing more.  The state in which one was born in happens to be his country!  What’s so hard about that? Otherwise, I agree with prisnersdilema on the type of government mastering over the people.

I agree with ChaviztaKing but only substitute the term, “Zionists” for, “Jewish”.  I agree in principle with TAO Walker too.

Let’s get it right, Scheer and others ought to get their facts straight, there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between the 2 dominating political parties that have been bought and paid for by the imperial ruling elite.

On the point of keeping the plan a secret, it’s easy – didn’t thousands of people been in on the Manhattan Project & managed to keep it a secret.  They used the false sense of patriotism, intimidation, threats and fear to keep the lid on the plan.

I can only speculate that the Bushwhacker, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfelt, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, etc. and the rest of the gang was fully in on the plan.  I know for sure that the Bushwhacker was too stupid to have planned the attack.  We won’t know for sure until there is a full and proper criminal investigation of the events surrounding the incident 9/11.

In answer to kanuear:  I’m the one standing in the pile of kukai, shit. In case he doesn’t know it, it’s not a good feeling and smells like crap.

The so-called founding fathers never fought nor bled for democracy, they instituted the republican form of government for the individual original 13 states.  The so-called democracy only exists in Washington, D.C. and limited only to the U.S. Congress.  I know that this is hard medicine to swallow; don’t take my word; research it for yourself.

911truthdotorg, I’d agree with you that if the people made that happen they’d pretty much have contained the high treason mass murders.  I’d bet my life that these traitors would be damned sight more guilty than them poor raghead bastards in GTMO and elsewhere.

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By rdahlin, March 13, 2011 at 5:53 pm Link to this comment
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Mr. Scheer,
If you believe the fairytale like fantasy of the official version of the so-called incident of 9/11 then you ought to have your head examined.  The U.S. learned of the “surprise” attack in 1995 and not on 9/11/01.  They, U.S. CIA and U.S. DOJ, got the full plan from Philippine Intelligence who got the plan from the laptop from one of the principals for the attack.  There is no way that 19 ragheads or their supposed puppeteers could have masterminded the 9/11 attack.  It had to have been an inside job.

The manner in which the 3 towers came down defies the laws of physics before the fall, during the fall and since.  I’ll only be convinced by having an actual demonstration of using a 2/3 scale model of the exact structure and have it rammed by not one but 2 B-757’s with fully loaded fuel ob.  The important thing about the so-called “toppling” of the towers is to appeal to the greater masses to assist them into understanding the official conspiracy version is full of holes or lies.

If 15 of the 19 so-called attackers/terrorists were Saudi nationals, where was the call for and attack on Saudi Arabia.  Saudi is no ally, they are the U.S.’s protectorate.  The Saudi power structure would have fallen long ago, like Tunis & Cairo, were it not for the U.S. power behind the throne.

The world will never know what really happened on 9/11, the events leading up to it and the lead up to the 2 so-called wars of aggression.

Unless the people band together, in similar fashion as at Cairo, and stomp for the complete, full, a-political, proper, internationally backed and instituted criminal investigation of the events surrounding the incident 9/11 we will never know what really happened beyond 2,900 of so souls died that day and subsequent.  There must be a full investigation of the attack and those responsible held accountable.  If there was a simple murder of even one individual wouldn’t N.Y. conduct an immediate criminal investigation?  Otherwise, we will continue to be bamboozled in the morass we toil under today forever.  This is the single most important investigation or task that we must do properly to get us out of this everlasting cacaos.  We will continue to be whipsawed into shock and reaction to false flag operations, economic crashes and a whole host of delightful things for the imperial ruling elite.

The 9/11 commission was a ruse and complete joke as was the Kennedy assassination investigations.

Seems like we the people will never learn from our mistakes, history and being taken advantage of.

Why hasn’t the people demanded that Wikileaks be left alone from U.S. interference?  The same for Bradley Manning?  The world is finally getting at the truth!

After the full and proper criminal investigations of the events surrounding 9/11 and the lead up to the 2 aggressive wars, then a proper criminal investigation must be conducted of the events surrounding the economic collapse of Dec. ’08.

After these 3 criminal investigations and natural follow-up, we’ll have cleaned up a whole batch of criminals and traitors and get ready for the next batch.  Will it be the 2 dominating ruling parties in the U.S. or the ruling elitists that own the world?

Until the people are resolved to cause these real and full investigations we have surrendered to our masters; it is that simple.

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Sdemetri – if you intend to mean more than one state, then the term is not one “country”, the correct term, I admonish, is “Union” or “Union of the Several States”.  Under your system of government each state is a country or nation state of itself.  They formed together in a confederation or compact pursuant to the U.S. Constitution.  Remember the “one country concept” is a whole other conspiracy.  This conspiracy is to overthrow the people and put them under the one power structure of Washington, D.C.  D.C. is merely a district, seat of government and not a state, country and certainly not sovereign, especially over the states which created this creature.

I believe I can see where sdemetri is going with this.  He wants the entire movement to shift gears to focus in on the provable elements of the false premises made by the ruling establishment.  That a way the truth movement can all put aside all their petty differences, egos and assemble or muster under one banner.  This is going to a campaign of educating the ignorant and foot-dragging masses onto this bandwagon to amass the critical mass of souls actively pushing for a criminal investigation.  This focus would lend itself easier to appeal to the greater masses to internalize (KISS) and act upon.  We as a movement ought to hone down our stiletto knife point into the soft underbelly of the core falsehoods perpetrated by the conspirators for the official version of the events of 9/11.  Although he doesn’t mention it, I would guess he intends to say that the object or mission of the movement is to cause a full and proper criminal investigation of the events surrounding 9/11.  I would further guess if I may to carry this proper and criminal 9/11 investigation to its logical and natural conclusion – through judicial trial of competent jurisdiction hold those responsible accountable beyond just the 19 alleged so-called terrorists alleged to have perished.  I believe, and I praise him for it, he wants to transform the movement to a political tasking force from a pure academic fact searching body.  If this is sdemetri’s objective, it makes perfect logical sense to me.  Do we have consensus?

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By rdahlin, March 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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Drbhelthi
I believe you’re on to something, everything, or practically, I’ve found is false as to what we believe to be the truth.  Who are we, is the greatest puzzle yet since Sun Tzu states that we must first know who we are even before we must define the enemy.
Gees, you’re right on, I’ve always contended that the Nazis were alive and well in the U.S.  I gave a speech once back in the mid or late ‘90’s calling the military establishment in Hawai’i Nazis.  I got a big reaction from the commanding ofcr. Army at the hearings.
What you say as the core issue leads back to my missing comments which failed to post here.

A very important issue, I believe, is for a full, proper, apolitical, international, unbiased professional criminal investigation of the events surrounding the incident 9/11, the lead up to the so-called wars of aggression.  Then a same investigation of the economic crash of Dec. ’08.

w/o these investigations we can only speculate, as we do hea and will likely to continue, as to who and what forces induced this event.  Those war criminals must be brought to account.  One simply cannot coddle a viper.

Excuse me, was Huffington Post bought out?  Did I miss this?

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By rdahlin, March 13, 2011 at 5:43 pm Link to this comment
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Napoleon DoneHisPart, March 13,
I want to respond to your requests, I know that it isn’t appropriate and relative to the subject matter, I’ll respond briefly hoping I don’t disrupt the sentiments of the other readers or in any way detract from the important subject at hand.  I attempted to post 2 other comments before this one and must work on getting it posted.

One must know what is the U.S. and distinguished from the U.S.A., the so-called, “American flag”.  On issue of citizenship, it may be beneficial to read “The Red Amendment”, 2d Ed., L.B. Bork of Wisc.  What kind of gov. is lawful and where does democracy come from?  The term ain’t mentioned in the U.S. Constitution.
discharged your debt yet?  Not really sure what you mean here, I’ll tell you briefly what I did.  I was sued for 10k credit card debt.  Although the corrupt judge gave summary judgment to debt collector, it filed a “satisfaction and release of judgment” after I filed our appellants’ brief w/o paying a dime towards the award and legal fees.
One friend has held off mortgage bank for 5 yrs w/o making a payment and still on the property.  Another, 1yr. and held off prop. tax collector.
Car registration?  Haven’t moved much here, am still researching a break through along w/ the license.  This one the states are rabid to hold onto though on shaky ground.
Taxes & other “bills”?  haven’t moved much on this, though found that by registering the real prop. with the auditor is tantamount to relinquishing title to the county/state.  Failure to register the real property negates tax liability.
Perhaps is advisable to converse in private in another venue.

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By diamond, March 13, 2011 at 5:26 pm Link to this comment

Okay. Now I’m logged in.

“Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort
to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east.”

My personal favorite was the one in the black beard. I laughed myself sick over that one. I can’t help wondering about the grip on reality of these people. How could anyone possibly dress up as Osama bin Laden and broadcast it to the world and not see that they’ve lost the plot? And of course the bigger question is, why did they need to do it? Why was the real bin Laden not available to perform? Dead. Probably. Or not willing to cooperate with the project any more? Possible. But I’m going with dead.

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By TAO Walker, March 13, 2011 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

The mistake made by “ry dahlin,” in designating arbitrarily as “American” us surviving Free Wild Natives of Turtle and Hummingbird Islands, is every-bit as common as it is typically (of his kind) rude.  “America” is nothing but a figment of a fevered collective of captive “individual” imaginations.  Even the present Oval Office occupant brags (Or does he complain?) that “America” is essentially only “an idea.”

The Indo-European plutoligarchy’s “self”-obsessed CONceit has been all-along that their ruthless unrelenting exploitation of the so-called “new world,” its Peoples and its “resources,” would afford them indefinitely (or until they engineered an escape-mechanism to get away from the frightening right-now-upon-them Natural CONsequences of their CONgenital idiocy) the “life-style” to which they’d become accustomed (addicted, rather), and to which they feel (by some make-believe “divine right”) entitled.  Indian Country is turning-out, however, to be for them instead the absolute motherfucker of all “bridges-to-nowhere.”

So thanks….but NO, thanks.

HokaHey!

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By diamond, March 13, 2011 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

I’m not logged in stop telling me I am!!!!!!!

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By fosforos, March 13, 2011 at 12:35 pm Link to this comment

Sheer writes:“It is the right—indeed, need—of
the American public to learn the truth about the
motives, financing and methods of those who
are alleged to have torn at the heart of our
social fabric.”

Allegation is not proof of anything at all.  The
purpose of a trial is to determine (to reasonable
certainty) whether or not the allegations are
*true*.  The “motives financing and methods” of
the defendants are relevant only if they are in
fact *guilty*.  Until they are proven guilty
beyond reasonable doubt they are presumed
*innocent*.  When the accusers, as in this case,
go to absurd lengths to avoid presenting their
case in open court, the presumption of
innocence is immeasurably strengthened.

But Sheer presumes guilt, and goes on to say:

“What led 15 solid citizens of our ally Saudi
Arabia to hijack those planes under direction of
their Western-educated leaders is still murky.”

As though those alleged hijackers had been
proven guilty even though no legally valid
evidence has ever been made public!

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By lastmarx, March 12, 2011 at 10:18 pm Link to this comment
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The men who flew the planes explained very clearly why they were doing so in their final public message: they were attacking a symbol of the US because it is the main support of Israel’s oppression of the Palestinians

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By Robert, March 12, 2011 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment

Three of the five Israeli agents appeared on television when they were sent back to Israel and openly admitted that their “purpose had been to document the event.


The five fake movers from Urban Moving Systems of Weehawken, New Jersey, were actually operatives of the Israeli secret services.  The five Israeli agents, described in early news reports as “Middle Eastern,” had been sought by the FBI and New Jersey authorities after they had been seen celebrating and photographing the destruction of the World Trade Center.  The Israelis made a video of themselves with the burning towers behind them as they flicked their cigarette lighters, laughed, and celebrated as hundreds of innocent people were being roasted alive. Reportedly, they had worn Palestinian or Arab garb, which was later found in their van.

Two of the five Israelis, who were caught with multiple passports, box cutters, thousands of dollars stuffed into their socks, and driving a van that tested positive for explosives, were actually on a list of foreign intelligence agents known to U.S. law enforcement authorities at the time.

ABC News did a follow up on the Israeli agents in June 2002:

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

‘We Are Not Your Problem’

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan “during the incident” — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, “We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.” The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner, and Omer Marmari.

The five “movers” were evidently part of a much larger Israeli terror operation in New York City.  The Urban Moving Systems company was later exposed as a Mossad “front” company, a fake agency set up to facilitate their terror operation. An American who worked with the company said he was shocked to see that the Israeli employees had openly rejoiced over the attacks.

In November 2001, the five Israeli agents and terror suspects were returned to Israel on “visa violations” although they first repeatedly refused to take, and then failed lie detector tests concerning their involvement in 9-11.

Instant messages warning of the attack at the WTC, predicting the event to the precise minute, sent via the Mossad-owned Odigo messaging system hours before the first plane hit the North Tower, are further evidence that members of Israeli intelligence agencies had very specific and accurate knowledge of the terror attacks – long before they occurred.”

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Click on link for the rest:


http://www.bollyn.com/america-the-target-9-11-and-the-history-of-false-flag-terrorism

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 12, 2011 at 8:11 pm Link to this comment

Good stuff ry dahlin, please say more / explain more.

Have you discharged your debt yet?

How about dealing with car registration and other superfluous taxes and unlawful ‘bills’ and such?

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By drbhelthi, March 12, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

The motto of the israeli MOSSAD, ” By way of deception, thou shalt do
war,” has been evidenced in the military and political actions of the
USGov for at least forty years. 

A more complete understanding of the MOSSAD is provided by the years
of research presented in Gordon Thomas´s volume, “Gideon´s Spies The
Secret History of the MOSSAD”. This volume also clarifies the
interaction among western world spy agencies and the MOSSAD, in
certain historical events. The French secret service, and the U.S.
N.S.A., for example, in the contrived auto accident of princess
Diana.

The gist of the MOSSAD motto is contained in the summary statement of
the C.I.A. chief appointed by GHWBushSr through President Ronald
Reagan. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when
everything the American public believes is false.”  William Casey,
CIA Director, from first general staff meeting, 1981. As recorded by
the American Patriot of Jewish belief, Mrs. Mae Brussell. She also
revealed the in-progress nazification of the U.S.A., advanced by the
Patriot Act and Dept. of Homeland Security.

One tends to think that the Israeli MOSSAD has been the handmaid of
the GHWBushSr entourage, perhaps previous administrations.  Should
this be the cae, the U.S. will never be able to pay off its debt to
the Israelis, due to the incriminating evidence against the various
U.S. administrations, in possession of the MOSSAD.  Which suggests
that the concept of sdemetri, “ - - but this is not the core message,
if true, it is only a small part of the larger picture “ counterposes
an accurate description of the U.S.A. situation. 

The statement reminds me of “NEWSMAX” of Florida. Fifty percent
accurate information about continuous frauds by the pharma industry,
U.S. physicians and the FDA, and fifty percent propaganda. The fifty
percent accurate health information ingratiates and holds ones
attention, obscuring the right-wing propaganda, allegedly Republican
party “gospel”. Which may turn out to be politicised excrement.

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By diamond, March 12, 2011 at 6:37 pm Link to this comment

“... the destruction of a tape of FAA flight controllers’ recollections. The tape was made at the FAA’s New York Center about an hour and a half after the attacks ended, despite worries about the procedure by a union official and the controllers. However, when New York Center forwarded evidence about the attacks to the FBI the next day, it did not provide the tape, and its existence was not reported to superiors. The controllers then prepared written statements without reviewing the tape, and a union official was concerned whether anyone had heard it. One of the controllers later asked to listen to the taped statement he had made, but his request was denied. When New York Center submitted a formal accident package, the tape was again absent. Although the Center had been told to retain 9/11 evidence, the tape was later destroyed. Following the tape’s destruction, the manager who destroyed it was suspended, but did not face criminal charges. A later Transportation Department report simply attributed the tape’s destruction to “poor judgment”. from 9/11 Truth

Why was this tape destroyed? Wasn’t it an important historical record? Wasn’t it, most of all, EVIDENCE

“This is a scam. It’s disgusting. America is being cheated.”

Former 9/11 commissioner Max Cleland in reference to deals reaches with the White House for limited access to documents. (CNN 11/13/03)

“Bush is scamming America.”

“As each day goes by, we learn that this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted.”

“Let’s chase this rabbit into the ground here. They had a plan to go to war and when 9/11 happened that’s what they did; they went to war.”
-Former Georgia Sen. Max Cleland
who resigned from the Kean Commission in November
2003

I’m sure his resignation didn’t come as any surprise to the other commissioners. It seems he was the only honest person on the commission.

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By ry dahlin, March 12, 2011 at 5:48 pm Link to this comment
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Raylan 11 Mar.  - no so-called “Americans” were involved, only “Amerikans”.  There were definitely U.S. citizens involved, it couldn’t have happened without their respective and collective help.  Some pretty high up the food chain.

I explain, anyone born in N.Am.(S.Am. too for that matter) are “American” and possess this “birthright”.  However, a few days later when this American’s “birth certificate” is issued and even more days later when the individual’s mum applies for the “Social Security Admin.” Number, he looses his political status of “American”.  That’s why there are a damned few “Americans” around.  His political status now voluntarily changes to one under the contract of the “14th Amendment”.  He was born a “sovereign” “American” in the U.S.A. & then by contract law becomes a subject to the “jurisdiction” of the “United States”(Washington, D.C.).

You’re not saying, I hope, that you mean possibly some native Americans and possibly some Amishmen were involved, did you?  Native Americans born in N.Am. are Americans & remain so as long as they remain a member of their tribe and refuse U.S. citizenship, SSA number, etc.  So it is with the Amishmen.

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By Napolean DoneHisPart, March 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm Link to this comment

Scheer is still a Shill when he ignores Tower 7.

Scheer the Shill is still a lackey when he ignores and FAILS to mention the lack of airplane at the pentagon.

It is obviouse Scheer the Shill is awaiting his exit strategy like Huffington did… the big payoff.

You’ll still have to live with yourself Scheer… as a liar, collusive lackey of today’s tyrannical empire.

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By sdemetri, March 12, 2011 at 1:24 pm Link to this comment

It may be cut and dry. It should certainly not be the main focus of the efforts of
the truth movement to educate the public. Anti-semitism exists, it is real, it is
potentially a powerful tool of enemies of the truth movement if they succeed in
labeling the movement anti-semitic.

The core message is that the official conspiracy theory is demonstrably false and
these events should be re-investigated so the public can know why we are at war
in Iraq and Afghanistan, why the war on terror, our loss of civil liberties, the
Patriot Act are turning our country and the world into a surveillance state.
Moussad agents may have played a role, but this is not the core message, if true,
it is only a small part of the larger picture.

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By PatrickHenry, March 12, 2011 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

sdemetri,

I see it the other way around.  The evidence is cut and dry regarding Israeli Mossad involvement, it is the non-Jewish zionist involvement besides Cheney which is a bit sketchy.

German Intelligence warned us about the 9/11 attack.

http://physics911.net/germanintel

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By sdemetri, March 12, 2011 at 1:09 pm Link to this comment

Correction: Not that Israeli agents may or may not have been involved.

Stick to the core message.

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By sdemetri, March 12, 2011 at 1:01 pm Link to this comment

Looking at the FBI’s database for hate crimes in the US, property crimes against
Jews or Jewish property ranks very high on the list. There is a great deal of
anti-semitism targeted toward Jews in the US.

But, to be sure, when Israel provokes and conducts operations against captive
Palestinians in Gaza, as in Operation Cast Lead, or against the relief flotilla in
which unarmed or poorly armed American civilians are shot multiple times at
point blank range, it is without question a great stain on the Israeli government.
When settlement building in the West Bank continues to rob Palestinians of
land, as well as access to Palestinian land by means of uncrossable Israeli
transportation and infrastructure conduits, or continues to build the apartheid
wall imprisoning Palestinians, or continues the collective punishment of over a
million Palestinians in Gaza unabated… when all of these things are carried out
unapologetically in the light of day by the hard liners in the Israeli government
it is not hard to see why anti-Israeli feelings run high in many quarters.

All of that said, it is obvious that this thread has veered off into a line of
discussion that is at best a complete distraction from what we do know the
manifest falsehood of the official story. Was Moussad involved? Possibly,
maybe even likely, but we are not able to nail down the cold hard evidence, the
smoking gun documents, the confessions that the CIA was involved with the
certainty to convince a criminal proceeding, let alone the greater public.

One of the best ways to DERAIL the education of the public as to the gaping
contradictions and failures of the official explanations about the attacks is to
launch off into what can very, very easily be VIEWED as an attack on Israel and
Jews in general. I consider the tangent this thread is now taking to be just that.
Moussad may have played a role. German intelligence may have played a role.
Pakistani intelligence may have (likely) played a role. There are circumstantial
connections that make all of these possible. But it should be by no means the
main focus of any discussion about what the Bush admin’s likely role was in
9/11, and the failure of the government then and now to provide believable
answers.

It is an excellent way to turn people away from considering the much more
important discussion as to what the official story says and why what it says is
demonstrably false.

The 9/11 Truth movement being labeled anti-Semitic is an excellent way to
derail the message of the truth movement.

And that is EXACTLY what those who wish to keep the cover up effective wish
to do, derail the truth movement and the core message: The official conspiracy
theory of the September attacks is a farce, a cover up, impossible. That is the
core message. Not the Israeli agents may or may have been involved.

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By PatrickHenry, March 12, 2011 at 12:57 pm Link to this comment

I guess this information was missed by the 9/11 commission.

http://www.rense.com/general87/14_1.htm


One would have to be dumb, blind and a half wit not to recognize Israeli complicity in 9/11.

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By Robert, March 12, 2011 at 12:14 pm Link to this comment

Victor Ostrovsky, whose 1990 tell-all book, By Way of Deception, infuriated the Mossad and made him the target of numerous death threats.


Among some of Ostrovosky’s other amazing revelations are:


The Mossad recruits Arab agents to carry out missions.


Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs.


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Mossad/Zionists/Israel


By Way of Deception…is their usual way(s)!!!


“Ruthless and cunning. Have the capability to target the US and make it look like an Arab/Moslem act/operation.

For the Mossad/Zionists/Israel to maintain and expand the support $$$ they are receiving from America, it would benefit them greatly if the Arabs/Moslems/Countries and the USA could somehow become eternal enemies.”

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Click on link to find out who these fake Al Qaeda Actors really are:

Fake Al Qaeda Actors EXPOSED! Adam Gadahn & Yousef al-Khattab


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsUtvOW6SR0

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“A radiological signature would have been detected if anything of the sort was involved. No such signature exists.”  sdemetri

Excuse me? Depends on the specificity of the “signature” one is searching for. Of course, the 911 Commission would not find one.
The seismic indications recorded prior to Free Fall require consideration.

The presence of which signature does not rule out the combined use of nanothermites.
***********

Nor does it rule out the use of ship-mounted Klingon Phasers fired with 24th century pin-point accuracy.

Fucking anti-Semitic neo-nazis who live in a Hitlerian fantasy world where “The Jew” is inherently evil because he was made that way.

Ultimately you threaten my life and my children’s lives.  What does that make you?

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By drbhelthi, March 12, 2011 at 2:52 am Link to this comment

“A radiological signature would have been detected if anything of the sort was involved. No such signature exists.”  sdemetri

Excuse me? Depends on the specificity of the “signature” one is searching for. Of course, the 911 Commission would not find one.
The seismic indications recorded prior to Free Fall require consideration.

The presence of which signature does not rule out the combined use of nanothermites.

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By Maani, March 12, 2011 at 2:16 am Link to this comment

An interesting “primer”:

http://sanderhicks.com/911Primer.html

Peace.

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By Arraya, March 12, 2011 at 1:59 am Link to this comment

Conspiracy theorists normally contest facts.

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/11/chomsky-no-evidence-
that-al-qaeda.html

Leading liberal intellectual Noam Chomsky just told Press TV:


“The explicit and declared motive of the [Afghanistan] war was to compel the
Taliban to turn over to the United States, the people who they accused of
having been involved in World Trade Center and Pentagon terrorist acts. The
Taliban…they requested evidence…and the Bush administration refused to
provide any,” the 81-year-old senior academic made the remarks on Press TV’s
program a Simple Question.

“We later discovered one of the reasons why they did not bring evidence: they
did not have any.”

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By fearnotruth, March 12, 2011 at 1:43 am Link to this comment

RE: By RayLan, March 12 at 4:35 am Link to this comment

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1GLvHxKQ0”

Conspiracy theorists normally contest facts.
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I read it…
it simply throws into question whose cited source is more accurate - you’ve
seen me post my opinion of the MSM - I do hold however that they can’t
repress everything - some things are just out there in too many places: e.g.

AFGHANISTAN
CNN - October 07, 2001
http://tinyurl.com/4a6nf5d

The White House on Sunday rejected an offer from Afghanistan’s ruling Taliban
to try suspected terrorist leader Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan under Islamic
law.

The offer came as the United States massed forces in southwest Asia for a
possible strike against Afghanistan if the Taliban refuse to surrender bin Laden.
A Bush administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity, rejected the
Taliban offer and repeated U.S. demands that bin Laden be turned over
unconditionally.

The Taliban’s ambassador to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, made the offer at a
news conference in Islamabad. Zaeef said the Taliban would detain bin Laden
and try him under Islamic law if the United States makes a formal request and
presents them with evidence.

[...]
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now as for Al Quede…  the real conspiracy: e.g.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291

Al Qaeda—the Database
by Pierre-Henri Bunel

Global Research, November 20, 2005
Wayne Madsen Report and World Affairs, Delhi

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin
Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group
but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the
CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied
Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can
bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry
Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.

Wayne Madsen Report

“I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff
course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed
Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .

“Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air
defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of
jokes about students’ punishment.

“For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff
College, the two officers used to tell us: ‘You’ll be noted in ‘Q eidat il-
Maaloomaat’ which meant ‘You’ll be logged in the information database.’
Meaning ‘You will receive a warning . . .’ If the case was more severe, they
would used to talk about ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Meaning ‘the decision
database.’ It meant ‘you will be punished.’ For the worst cases they used to
speak of logging in ‘Al Qaida.’

[...]

________________

as for OBL: e.g.

Former CIA Officials Admit To Faking Bin Laden Video
         
Military psy-ops took over operation after intelligence project failed to take off
Steve Watson

Prisonplanet.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com/former-cia-officials-admit-to-faking-bin-
laden-video.html
Tuesday, May 25th, 2010

Two former CIA officials have admitted to creating a fake video in which
intelligence officers dressed up as Osama Bin Laden and his cronies in an effort
to defame the terrorist leader throughout the middle east.

The details are outlined in a Washington Post article by investigative reporter
and former Army Intelligence case officer Jeff Stein.

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By RayLan, March 11, 2011 at 11:35 pm Link to this comment

@FearnoTruth

In September, 2001, the U.S. placed significant pressure on the Taliban to turn over bin Laden and al-Qaeda in response to the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. On October 7, after the Taliban refused to give up bin Laden, the U.S. began bombing Taliban military sites and aiding the Northern Alliance. By November 21, the Taliban had lost Kabul and by December 9 had been completely routed.

Read more: The Taliban — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html#ixzz1GLvHxKQ0”

Conspiracy theorists normally contest facts.

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm Link to this comment

How did it reap billions from having its Sugar Daddy attacked?

In “Shock Doctrine” written by Naomi Klein she has a chapter about the post 9-
11 security boom for Israeli tech companies.  They were devastated after the dot
com bust and 9/11 did saved their economy.  Suspiciously, the government
suggest that the tech companies turn their focus on data mining, terrorists
profiling, etc. in late 2000.  Turns out it was a great move because, after the
attack they sold their services all over the world as “terrorist” experts and
business boomed.  Terrorism security is a huge new industry.  We actually
contract them out on a lot of issues here in the states. 

How do you know Americans were involved?

Cheney ran the drills that day.  The commander of NORAD was promoted after
the biggest intelligence “failure” of all time.  Something they ran drills for in the
years prior and were running on that day.

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By fearnotruth, March 11, 2011 at 7:06 pm Link to this comment

RE: By RayLan, March 11 at 1:45 pm Link to this comment

The big scandal of course is that Iraq had nothing to do with the destruction of
the WTC. Afghanistan didn’t either, except it is the camp of the Taliban.
The Taliban didn’t cooperate in delivering Bin Laden and that was
enough reason to engage in a long exhausting war.

wrong - e.g. - http://tinyurl.com/6awmff

Bush rejects Taliban offer to surrender bin Laden

Second week of bombing begins;
Media visits village hit by missile

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington
Monday, 15 October 2001

After a week of debilitating strikes at targets across Afghanistan, the
Taliban repeated an offer to hand over Osama bin Laden, only to be rejected by
President Bush.

The offer yesterday from Haji Abdul Kabir, the Taliban’s deputy prime minister,
to surrender Mr bin Laden if America would halt its bombing and provide
evidence against the Saudi-born dissident was not new but it suggested the
Taliban are increasingly weary of the air strikes, which have crippled much of
their military and communications assets.

[...]

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By TAO Walker, March 11, 2011 at 7:04 pm Link to this comment

To whatever extent Robert Scheer’s piece here is part of a larger agenda (and there are clear signs of it being exactly that), perhaps intended to determine (among other things) how readily trauma-induced Pavlovian reflexes tied to 9/11 are still triggered in the “subject target population,” those running the exercise are probably pretty gratified by its outcome.  All the usual knee-jerk reactions, from all the usual suspects, are fully in-evidence here….and with as much intensity as ever.

The domination of the “global warming debate,” over on the comment thread attached to the latest apocalyptic fulminations from Chris Hedges (and despite his own relatively modest in-greater-context emphasis on the issue), may be yet another example of such psy-ops. One easily sees there the same CONtrived (and evidently “guided”) “stimulus-response” dynamic so effectively trapping so many in the DEAD END fecklessness so symptomatic of both PTSD and its clinically kindred “Stockholm-syndrome.”   

Meantime, of course, the relentless machinations of the “global” gulag regime go-on uninterrupted.  Hells bells, it goes mostly unnoticed, even, by so many among that very much larger “target population” making-up the entire virtual (but actually captive) subspecies homo domesticus.   

“Like taking candy….from a baby….oh yeah.”

HokaHey!

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By PatrickHenry, March 11, 2011 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Extensive work to the columns was documented just months prior to 9/11 by Turner Construction whose zionist links are well known. 

A sufficient amount of time was afforded to do an extensive amount of demolition prep.

http://911blogger.com/node/19889

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By Roy dahlin, March 11, 2011 at 6:47 pm Link to this comment
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Continuation from before.

By reading some of the comments, I find a fundamental misconception of the commentators about their own country.  Most agree that the whole of the Union equates to the whole of the country.  That is an untruth pushed on the traitors who conspire against the people that are our masters.  The U.S.A. is comprised of at least 48 individual, separate, free and sovereign nation states.  Washington, D.C./U.S. is not a state or country, it is merely the seat of government for the Union of the several states, nothing more.  The state in which one was born in happens to be his country!  What’s so hard about that? Otherwise, I agree with prisnersdilema on the type of government mastering over the people.

I agree with ChaviztaKing but only substitute the term, “Zionists” for, “Jewish”.  I agree in principle with TAO Walker too.

Let’s get it right, Scheer and others ought to get their facts straight, there isn’t a nickel’s worth of difference between the 2 dominating political parties that have been bought and paid for by the imperial ruling elite.

On the point of keeping the plan a secret, it’s easy – didn’t thousands of people been in on the Manhattan Project & managed to keep it a secret.  They used the false sense of patriotism, intimidation, threats and fear to keep the lid on the plan.

I can only speculate that the Bushwhacker, Cheney, Rove, Rice, Rumsfelt, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz, etc. and the rest of the gang was fully in on the plan.  I know for sure that the Bushwhacker was too stupid to have planned the attack.  We won’t know for sure until there is a full and proper criminal investigation of the events surrounding the incident 9/11.

In answer to kanuear:  I’m the one standing in the pile of kukai, shit. In case he doesn’t know it, it’s not a good feeling and smells like crap.
The so-called founding fathers never fought nor bled for democracy, they instituted the republican form of government for the individual original 13 states.  The so-called democracy only exists in Washington, D.C. and limited only to the U.S. Congress.  I know that this is hard medicine to swallow; don’t take my word; research it for yourself.

911truthdotorg, I’d agree with you that if the people made that happen they’d pretty much have contained the high treason mass murders.  I’d bet my life that these traitors would be damned sight more guilty than them poor raghead bastards in GTMO and elsewhere.

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By Roy dahlin, March 11, 2011 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment
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If you believe the fairytale like fantasy of the official version of the so-called incident of 9/11 then you ought to have your head examined.  The U.S. learned of the “surprise” attack in 1995 and not on 9/11/01.  They, U.S. CIA and U.S. DOJ, got the full plan from Philippine Intelligence who got the plan from the laptop from one of the principals for the attack.  There is no way that 19 ragheads or their supposed puppeteers could have masterminded the 9/11 attack.  It had to have been an inside job.

The manner in which the 3 towers came down defies the laws of physics before the fall, during the fall and since.  I’ll only be convinced by having an actual demonstration of using a 2/3 scale model of the exact structure and have it rammed by not one but 2 B-757’s with fully loaded fuel ob.  The important thing about the so-called “toppling” of the towers is to appeal to the greater masses to assist them into understanding the official conspiracy version is full of holes or lies.

If 15 of the 19 so-called attackers/terrorists were Saudi nationals, where was the call for and attack on Saudi Arabia.  Saudi is no ally, they are the U.S.’s protectorate.  The Saudi power structure would have fallen long ago, like Tunis & Cairo, were it not for the U.S. power behind the throne.

The world will never know what really happened on 9/11, the events leading up to it and the lead up to the 2 so-called wars of aggression.

Unless the people band together, in similar fashion as at Cairo, and stomp for the complete, full, a-political, proper, internationally backed and instituted criminal investigation of the events surrounding the incident 9/11 we will never know what really happened beyond 2,900 of so souls died that day and subsequent.  There must be a full investigation of the attack and those responsible held accountable.  If there was a simple murder of even one individual wouldn’t N.Y. conduct an immediate criminal investigation?  Otherwise, we will continue to be bamboozled in the morass we toil under today forever.  This is the single most important investigation or task that we must do properly to get us out of this everlasting cacaos.  We will continue to be whipsawed into shock and reaction to false flag operations, economic crashes and a whole host of delightful things for the imperial ruling elite.

The 9/11 commission was a ruse and complete joke as was the Kennedy assassination investigations.

Seems like we the people will never learn from our mistakes, history and being taken advantage of.

Why hasn’t the people demanded that Wikileaks be left alone from U.S. interference?  The same for Bradley Manning?  The world is finally getting at the truth!

After the full and proper criminal investigations of the events surrounding 9/11 and the lead up to the 2 aggressive wars, then a proper criminal investigation must be conducted of the events surrounding the economic collapse of Dec. ’08.

After these 3 criminal investigations and natural follow-up, we’ll have cleaned up a whole batch of criminals and traitors and get ready for the next batch.  Will it be the 2 dominating ruling parties in the U.S. or the ruling elitists that own the world?

Until the people are resolved to cause these real and full investigations we have surrendered to our masters; it is that simple.

more to follow.

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By fearnotruth, March 11, 2011 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

RE: Why Oh Why Don’t We Have a Better Press Corps?

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major
media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

The connections between some of these companies below that have expertise in
both nanothermite AND the weaponization of anthrax should not be overlooked.

If in fact unexploded nanothermite has been found in the dust samples collected
by citizens from around lower Manhattan after the towers were destroyed the
COINCIDENCE of weaponized anthrax only coming from a government lab,
distributed with the direct intent of blaming Muslim extremists, and nanothermite
only available through government labs with those attacks directly blamed on
Muslim extremists is pretty unusual.

As economist Brad Delong is known to remark: Why Oh Why Don’t We Have a
Better Press Corps? But then again this is subversion of a high order… the risks
are great, and perhaps the time just isn’t as yet ripe. I can hope.

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By RenZo, March 11, 2011 at 6:27 pm Link to this comment

@ diamond (March 10 at 9:56 pm)

You pose several rhetorical(?) questions about why W (BabyBush) acted the way he did and what his complicity with or foreknowledge of the attacks might have been.
I submit that, during the second Presidential debate [Oct 2004], W manifested clear signs of an involuntary movement disorder typical of crack addicts (and perhaps other high-use stimulant abusers), colloquially called “crack-jaw”.
[These are observations which are recorded and still available for all to watch; look ‘em up! Furthermore, these observations are objective, and verifiable by other competent diagnosticians, find one! In other words, someone might argue with the interpretation of the crack-jaw depending on his/her qualifications, but the manifestation of the movement disorder is reproducible.]

Crack-jaw is not easily confused by knowledgeable physicians with any other neurological side effects or syndromes. Different involuntary muscle spasms (of different muscle groups, other anatomical sites and unique oscillating frequencies) can be seen after chronic (decade-long) use of antipsychotic medications and as part of some debilitating neurological conditions (e.g. Parkinson’s). What he evidenced however was not ‘stress’ nor ‘voluntary’.

If others mentioned, noticed or wrote about it, I am not aware. I posted my observations publicly on several political blogs popular in that period. Nothing of course appeared in the “mainstream media”.

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By Robert, March 11, 2011 at 6:26 pm Link to this comment

Just a few of Israeli/Zionist/Mossad False Flag Operations…

*********

“On July 22, 1946 Zionist terrorists, disguised as Arabs,set off seven large demolition bombs in the basement of the King David Hotel, which was the base for the British Secretariat and the military command in British-occupied Palestine. Ninety-one people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat.  The attack on the hotel was the deadliest attack against the British in the history of the Mandate.”


In 1955, one of these “false flag” operations was publicly exposed for the world to see. Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt.


Then again during a 1967 war with the Arabs, Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USS Liberty, an unarmed US communications ship. Thirty four American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught - carried out in broad daylight and with the U.S. flag flying prominently. The intent was to kill all the Americans and then leave the Egyptians to take the blame.


In the 1980’s, the Israelis once again succeeded in framing enemy Arabs in order to enrage America. Former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrosvky became so disgusted with the criminal behavior of his own government that he defected from the Mossad. Ostrovsky tried to warn America of just how evil and murderous the Mossad actually was. Ostrovsky revealed exactly how the Israelis framed Libya for the bombing of a German night club which killed American servicemen.  It was this frame up job that caused President Reagan to bomb Libya in 1986.”

&&&&&&&&


Victor Ostrovsky, whose 1990 tell-all book, By Way of Deception, infuriated the Mossad and made him the target of numerous death threats.


Among some of Ostrovosky’s
other amazing revelations are:


The Mossad recruits Arab agents to carry out missions.


Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 6:21 pm Link to this comment

6.  NIST has a long-standing partnership with NASA for the development of
new nano-thermites and other nano-technological materials. In fact, Michael
Zachariah coordinates this partnership (CNMM 2008).
7.  In 2003, two years before the NIST WTC report was issued, the University
of Maryland College Park (UMCP) and NIST signed a memorandum of
understanding to develop nano-technologies like nano-thermites (NIST 2003).
Together, NIST and UMCP have done much work on nano-thermites (NM2
2008).
8.  NIST has their own Center for Nanoscale Science and Technology (CNST
2008). Additionally, NIST’s Reactive Flows Group did research on
nanostructured materials and high temperature reactions in the mid-nineties
(NRFG 1996).
9.  Richard Gann, who did the final editing of the NIST WTC report, managed a
project called “Next-Generation Fire Suppression Technology Program”, both
before and after 9/11. Andrzej Miziolek, another of the world’s leading experts
on nano-thermites (Amptiac 2002), is the author of “Defense Applications of
Nanomaterials”, and also worked on Richard Gann’s fire suppression project
(Gann 2002). Gann’s project was sponsored by DOD’s Strategic Environmental
Research and Development Program (SERDP), an organization that sponsored a
number of LLNL’s nano-thermite projects (Simpson 2002, Gash et al 2003).
10. As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST
partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on
Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008). NSWC-IH is probably the most
prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008). In 1999, Jan
Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH
design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder. It was reported
that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders
in the United States” (SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide
and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.
Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were
SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific
Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for “demolition
materials” (NSWC 2000).
A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the
plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years worked
on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).

All of this research is found in the excellent paper by Kevin Ryan here:

http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-
1.pdf

The official conspiracy theory is a farce and a cover up.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 6:18 pm Link to this comment

Ok, maybe three parts:

4.  Arden Bement, the metallurgist and expert on fuels and materials who was
nominated as director of NIST by President George W. Bush in October 2001,
was former deputy secretary of defense, former director of DARPA’s office of
materials science, and former executive at TRW.
Of course, DOD and DARPA are both leaders in the production and use of
nano- thermites (Amptiac 2002, DOD 2005). And military and aerospace
contractor TRW has had a long collaboration with NASA laboratories in the
development of energetic materials that are components of advanced
propellants, like nano-gelled
explosive materials (NASA 2001). TRW Aeronautics also made fireproof
composites and high performance elastomer formulations, and worked with
NASA to make energetic aerogels.
Additionally, Bement was a professor at Purdue and MIT. Purdue has a thriving
program for nano-thermites (Son 2008). And interestingly, at MIT’s Institute for
Soldier Nanotechnology, we find Martin Z. Bazant, son of notable “conspiracy
debunker” Zdenek P. Bazant (MIT 2008), who does research on granular flows,
and the electrochemical interactions of silicon. Zdenek P. Bazant is interested in
nanocomposites as well (Northwestern 2008), and how they relate to naval
warfare (ONR 2008). MIT was represented at nano-energetics conferences as
early as 1998 (Gordon 1998).
Bement was also a director at both Battelle and the Lord Corporation. Battelle
(where the anthrax was made) is an organization of “experts in fundamental
technologies from the five National Laboratories we manage or co-manage for
the US DOE.” Battelle advertises their specialization in nanocomposite coatings
(Battelle 2008). The Lord Corporation also makes high-tech coatings for
military applications (Lord 2008). In 1999, Lord Corp was working with the
Army and NASA on “advanced polymer composites, advanced metals, and
multifunctional materials” (Army 1999).
5.  Hratch Semerjian, long-time director of NIST’s chemical division, was
promoted to acting director of NIST in November 2004, and took over the WTC
investigation until the completion of the report on the towers. Semerjian is
closely linked to former NIST employee Michael Zachariah, perhaps the world’s
most prominent expert on nano-thermites (Zachariah 2008). In fact, Semerjian
and Zachariah co-authored ten papers that focus on nano-particles made of
silica, ceramics and refractory particles. Zachariah was a major player in the
Defense University Research Initiative on Nanotechnology (DURINT), a
groundbreaking research effort for nano-thermites.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

And some interesting information on nanothermite, NIST, and the companies
that NIST has collaborated with in R&D work on the material (in two parts):

“Was the steel tested for explosives or thermite residues? ... NIST did not test
for the residue of these compounds in the steel.” NIST Responses to FAQs,
August 2006

Here are the top ten reasons why nano-thermites, and nano-thermite coatings,
should have come to mind quickly for the NIST WTC investigators.

1.  NIST was working with LLNL to test and characterize these sol-gel nano-
thermites, at least as early as 1999 (Tillitson et al 1999).
2.  Forman Williams, the lead engineer on NIST’s advisory committee, and the
most prominent engineering expert for Popular Mechanics, is an expert on the
deflagration of energetic materials and the “ignition of porous energetic
materials”(Margolis and Williams 1996, Telengator et al 1998, Margolis and
Williams 1999). Nano-thermites are porous energetic materials. Additionally,
Williams’ research partner, Stephen Margolis, has presented at conferences
where nano-energetics are the focus (Gordon 1999). Some of Williams’ other
colleagues at the University of California San Diego, like David J. Benson, are
also experts on nano-thermite materials (Choi et al 2005, Jordan et al 2007).
3.  Science Applications International (SAIC) is the DOD and Homeland Security
contractor that supplied the largest contingent of non-governmental
investigators to the NIST WTC investigation. SAIC has extensive links to nano-
thermites, developing and judging nano-thermite research proposals for the
military and other military contractors, and developing and formulating nano-
thermites directly (Army 2008, DOD 2007). SAIC’s subsidiary Applied Ordnance
Technology has done research on the ignition of nanothermites with lasers
(Howard et al 2005).
In an interesting coincidence, SAIC was the firm that investigated the 1993 WTC
bombing, boasting that—“After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, our
blast analyses produced tangible results that helped identify those responsible
(SAIC 2004).” And the coincidences with this company don’t stop there, as SAIC
was responsible for evaluating the WTC for terrorism risks in 1986 as well
(CRHC 2008). SAIC is also linked to the late 1990s security upgrades at the
WTC, the Rudy Giuliani administration, and the anthrax incidents after 9/11,
through former employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

Some interesting links from articles in the national press about the trading that
was going on:

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/cbs_profiting.html

“An extraordinary number of trades were betting that American Airlines stock
price would fall.
The trades are called “puts” and they involved at least 450,000 shares of
American. But what raised the red flag is more than 80 percent of the orders
were “puts”, far outnumbering “call” options, those betting the stock would
rise.
Sources say they have never seen that kind of imbalance before, reports CBS
News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson. Normally the numbers are fairly even.”
“The same thing happened with United Airlines on the Chicago Board Options
Exchange four days before the attack”

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/chronicle_datasharing.html

“The SEC’s action yesterday came after a period of official silence about its
investigative activities. It also followed newspaper reports—including five in
The Chronicle—about suspicious equity- and bond-trading near the time of
the terrorist attacks, especially in shares of companies directly affected by the
disasters, AMR Corp. and UAL Corp., parents of American and United airlines,
which together lost four aircraft.

On Oct. 2, Canadian securities officials confirmed that the SEC privately had
asked North American investment firms to review their records for evidence of
trading activity in the shares of 38 companies, suggesting that some buyers and
sellers might have had advance knowledge of the attacks.”

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/sept11/londontimes_insidertrading.html

“The FSA would not comment on its instructions from the CIA, but said that its
team of specialists would do all they could to help the investigation. A
spokesman said: “The financial authorities have great expertise in this field and
could have a big part to play. It is something that is incumbent upon us all to
look at to the best of our ability.” Market regulators in Germany, Japan and the
US received information of short selling of insurance company shares, airline
stocks and shares in arms companies - all of which have fallen since the attack.
Italian, French and Swiss regulators have also joined the investigation.

Munich Re, Swiss Re and Axa, all insurance companies, are also helping the
authorities with the inquiries as large numbers of their shares were short-sold
before the attack. A spokesman for Axa, a French company, said: “We have
informed the market regulators in Paris that there are concerns about short
selling.”

Some pretty high powered guns were involved in the investigations that
warranted the FOOTNOTE in the 9/11 Commission report, and apparently went
nowhere.

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Here are some interesting comments made concerning illegal trading that went
on before the attacks, and even while they were in progress:

“Oil and gold futures The Associated Press reported on September 22nd that a
German Central Bank study strongly points to “terrorism insider trading” not
only in airline and insurance companies but also in gold and oil futures. These
he said, “could not be chalked up to coincidence.” Bundesbank President, Ernst
Welteke, said that though it would be “extremely difficult to really verify” but he
believed “in one or the other case it will be possible to pinpoint the source.”

Unusual high volume in pre-attack 5 year bond trading The Wall Street Journal
reported on October 2 that the Secret Service had begun a probe into an
unusually high volume of five-year US Treasury note purchases made prior to
the attacks. The Treasury note transactions included a single $5 billion trade.
The Journal noted that “Five-year Treasury notes are among the best
investments in the event of a world crisis, especially one that hits the US. The
notes are prized for their safety and their backing by the US government, and
usually rally when investors flee riskier investments, such as stocks.” The value
of these notes, the Journal pointed out, has risen sharply after the events of
September 11.

‘Last hours’ surge of financial activity at WTC According to a Reuters report of
December 16, German data retrieval experts, hired by WTC tenant firms, were
mining data off damaged hard disks recovered from the ground zero. The goal
is to discover who was responsible for the movement of unusually large sums
of money through the computers of the WTC in the hours before the attack.
Peter Henschel, director of Convar, the firm responsible, said, “not only the
volume, but the size of the transactions was far higher than usual for a day like
that.” Richard Wagner, a data retrieval expert estimated that more than $100
million in illegal transactions appeared to have rushed through the WTC
computers before and during the disaster.”

The 9/11 Commission was so incredibly taken by these reports of insider
trading (meaning, trading done with foreknowledge that something was afoot)
that they dedicated an entire FOOTNOTE on pg 499 of the 567 page report,
saying the source of one trade was discovered to be a “single US-based
institutional investor with no conceivable ties to Al Qeada…” They purchased
95% of an unusually high volume of United Airlines put options, basically
betting the price was going to drop, in the days before the attack. The proof
the deal was innocently conducted was because the institutional investor could
have had “no conceivable ties” to Al Qeada in the Commission’s logic.

No smoking guns because by the time any investigators got deep enough into
the evidence trail, the trail went cold, dead cold, and has remained so.

I have to wonder which large institutional investor made a killing on the United
put options, and if they might be one of the recent LII’s that made a killing on
the backs of mortgage holders and the taxpayers. I expect we will never know.

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Here are some interesting comments made concerning illegal trading that went
on before the attacks, and even while they were in progress:

“Oil and gold futures The Associated Press reported on September 22nd that a
German Central Bank study strongly points to “terrorism insider trading” not
only in airline and insurance companies but also in gold and oil futures. These
he said, “could not be chalked up to coincidence.” Bundesbank President, Ernst
Welteke, said that though it would be “extremely difficult to really verify” but he
believed “in one or the other case it will be possible to pinpoint the source.”

Unusual high volume in pre-attack 5 year bond trading The Wall Street Journal
reported on October 2 that the Secret Service had begun a probe into an
unusually high volume of five-year US Treasury note purchases made prior to
the attacks. The Treasury note transactions included a single $5 billion trade.
The Journal noted that “Five-year Treasury notes are among the best
investments in the event of a world crisis, especially one that hits the US. The
notes are prized for their safety and their backing by the US government, and
usually rally when investors flee riskier investments, such as stocks.” The value
of these notes, the Journal pointed out, has risen sharply after the events of
September 11.

‘Last hours’ surge of financial activity at WTC According to a Reuters report of
December 16, German data retrieval experts, hired by WTC tenant firms, were
mining data off damaged hard disks recovered from the ground zero. The goal
is to discover who was responsible for the movement of unusually large sums
of money through the computers of the WTC in the hours before the attack.
Peter Henschel, director of Convar, the firm responsible, said, “not only the
volume, but the size of the transactions was far higher than usual for a day like
that.” Richard Wagner, a data retrieval expert estimated that more than $100
million in illegal transactions appeared to have rushed through the WTC
computers before and during the disaster.”

The 9/11 Commission was so incredibly taken by these reports of insider
trading (meaning, trading done with foreknowledge that something was afoot)
that they dedicated an entire FOOTNOTE on pg 499 of the 567 page report,
saying the source of one trade was discovered to be a “single US-based
institutional investor with no conceivable ties to Al Qeada…” They purchased
95% of an unusually high volume of United Airlines put options, basically
betting the price was going to drop, in the days before the attack. The proof
the deal was innocently conducted was because the institutional investor could
have had “no conceivable ties” to Al Qeada in the Commission’s logic.

No smoking guns because by the time any investigators got deep enough into
the evidence trail, the trail went dead cold, and has remained so.

I have to wonder which large institutional investor made a killing on the United
put options, and if they might be one of the recent LII’s that made a killing on
the backs of mortgage holders and the taxpayers. I expect we will never know.

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Perhaps Mr. Scheer will read this string of comments through and then write another article explaining the good things his previous article accomplished.  Or perhaps not.

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By diamond, March 11, 2011 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

“nuke the middle east.”

And how exactly is that going to rid you of the fascists who planned and carried out 9/11 and now have you embroiled in two colonial oil wars? 60% of the world’s oil is in the Middle East but I’m sure you have a plan for how you will retrieve it from the nuclear wasteland or do you have a horse and cart and a windmill and lots of wood to burn to keep you warm in winter?

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By RayLan, March 11, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Arraya
” Two, it reaped billions to
Israeli security companies and a good PR cover for the IP conflict…Criminals were
behind 911 - some Israeli, some american, some arab.

How did it reap billions from having its Sugar Daddy attacked? How do you know Americans were involved?

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By christian96, March 11, 2011 at 4:51 pm Link to this comment

Don’t forget the industrial/military complex President Eisenhower warned us about. The planes
flew into the Twin Towers(industrial) and the
Pentagon(military).  Interrogating certain individuals in an open court might reveal more
about the industrial/military complex than our
government leaders want the general public to
know about.

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By fearnotruth, March 11, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

RE: By Inherit The Wind, March 11 at 4:43 pm Link to this comment
All the attacks on me merely confirm my position: Anti-Semitism run rampant in the minds of
the functionally insane.

what? I just searched this whole thread and found nothing resembling a ‘personal attack’ on
‘Inherit The Wind’ - substantive polemic, YES; personal attack, NO

I’ve written here before, critically of puerile, disrespectful,  ad homimen invective, and of accusations of “insanity” (particularly disrespectful to the genuinely mentally ill)
and of the freely flung term ‘paranoia’, in particular against those who study conspiracy
theories, especially when personal victimization is not part of the conspiracy (ergo: ‘paranoia’)

in consideration of that, ITW’s posting cited above, seems indeed, to be heading in that
direction; moreover, making it questionable in several ways

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment

The conspiracy theory that the Israelis are behind 9/11 is about as
whacked as it gets. It would be biting the hand that feeds them.

One, it was a joint venture with converging interests.  Two, it reaped billions to
Israeli security companies and a good PR cover for the IP conflict.  Criminals were
behind 911 - some Israeli, some american, some arab.

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By RayLan, March 11, 2011 at 4:01 pm Link to this comment

The conspiracy theory that the Israelis are behind 9/11 is about as whacked as it gets. It would be biting the hand that feeds them.

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By fearnotruth, March 11, 2011 at 3:44 pm Link to this comment

RE: nuke the middle east

fait accompli

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=2374

Depleted Uranium - Far Worse Than 9/11
Depleted Uranium Dust - Public Health Disaster For The People Of Iraq and Afghanistan

by Doug Westerman

Dr. Jawad Al-Ali (55), director of the Oncology Center at the largest hospital in Basra, Iraq stated, at a recent ( 2003) conference in Japan:

“Two strange phenomena have come about in Basra which I have never seen before. The first is double and triple cancers in one patient. For example,  leukemia and cancer of the stomach. We had one patient with 2 cancers - one in his stomach and kidney. Months later, primary cancer was developing in his other kidney—he had three different cancer types. The second is the clustering of cancer in families. We have 58 families here with more than one person affected by cancer. Dr Yasin, a general Surgeon here has two uncles, a sister and cousin affected with cancer. Dr Mazen, another specialist, has six family members suffering from cancer. My wife has nine members of her family with cancer”.

“Children in particular are susceptible to DU poisoning. They have a much higher absorption rate as their blood is being used to build and nourish their bones and they have a lot of soft tissues. Bone cancer and leukemia used to be diseases affecting them the most, however, cancer of the lymph system which can develop anywhere on the body, and has rarely been seen before the age of 12 is now also common.”,

“We were accused of spreading propaganda for Saddam before the war. When I have gone to do talks I have had people accuse me of being pro-Saddam.  Sometimes I feel afraid to even talk. Regime people have been stealing my data and calling it their own, and using it for their own agendas. The Kuwaitis banned me from entering Kuwait - we were accused of being Saddam supporters.”
[...]


http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=443

11,000 US soldiers dead from DU poisoning

Heads roll at Veterans Administration Mushrooming depleted uranium (DU)  scandal blamed

by Bob Nichols 2/2/05 S.F. Bay View

Considering the tons of depleted uranium used by the U.S., the Iraq war can truly be called a nuclear war.

Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter charged Monday that the reason Veterans Affairs Secretary Anthony Principi stepped down earlier this month was the growing scandal surrounding the use of uranium munitions in the Iraq War.

Writing in Preventive Psychiatry E-Newsletter No. 169, Arthur N. Bernklau,  executive director of Veterans for Constitutional Law in New York, stated, “The real reason for Mr. Principi’s departure was really never given, however a special report published by eminent scientist Leuren Moret naming depleted uranium as the definitive cause of the ‘Gulf War Syndrome’ has fed a growing scandal about the continued use of uranium munitions by the US Military.” [...]

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By fatty, March 11, 2011 at 2:34 pm Link to this comment

nuke the middle east

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By sean, March 11, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment
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the buildings were hit by the planes then demolished those planes didnt knock the buildings down

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By fearnotruth, March 11, 2011 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

RE: And don’t forget our torturers admit to waterboarding Khalid something like 180 times.

___________________________

sorry for the redundancy…


KSM IS DEAD

the hapless patsy-fall-guy’s staring role, in the rolling black-op/psy-op that is THE GLOBAL WAR OF TERROR, was (in 2002 and still is) too vital to write out of the plot

the stories cited below from eye-witness accounts at the scene confirms KSM being shot to death in the SWAT-team-style raid, where he was supposedly captured - the waterboarding, the confession, the show trial - all rich theatre plot features

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/DJ30Df01.html

South Asia
Oct 30, 2002
A chilling inheritance of terror
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - “Ever since the frenzied shootout last month on September 11 in Karachi there have been doubts over whether Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed head of al- Qaeda’s military committee, died in the police raid on his apartment.
[...]
Now it has emerged that Kuwaiti national Khalid Shaikh Mohammed did indeed perish in the raid, but his wife and child were taken from the apartment and handed over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in whose hands they remain.

[...]

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EC06Df04.html

South Asia
Mar 6, 2003
Khalid: A test for US credibility
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - The circumstances surrounding the arrest in Pakistan and handing over to US authorities of a man said to be Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, a reportedly leading member of al-Qaeda, raise a number of important issues, not the least of which is the credibility of the US in its “war against terror”.
[...]
Nine other suspected terrorists were captured, and two were killed. A woman FBI official examined the bodies, and, as reported by an ISI official, suddenly exclaimed, “You have killed Khalid Shaikh Mohammad.” The woman then instructed that a finger be cut off the body, which she took away, presumably for a DNA test.

[...]

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment

What’s ironic is the first to propose that Israeli Jews were behind
9/11 were radical Islamic web sites in the Arab world who KNEW that this
attack would mean terrible trouble for them.

Well Arabs would know about Israeli false flags against them.  See the Lavon
Affair for details.  It’s when Israeli intelligence got caught in a false flag
operation trying to sour relationships between the US and Egypt.  They were
going to blow up some US building in Egypt.  Israel’s distrust in the Arab world
is well deserved.  Also, why do speak of Arabs as if it is a monolithic block.  Was
this site Iraqi?  Afghani? 

Arab world who KNEW that this attack would mean terrible
trouble for them.

And it sure seems Netanyaho thought it was good for Israel, because he said
so.  So souring relationships was a good thing once again. 

t may well be the greatest propaganda coup in modern history,
how 19 Arab men, most of whom were Saudi, turned out to be Mossad Israeli
agents.

Saying elements within Israel’s political establishment had foreknowledge,
Motives and were involved in the operation is not the same as “Mossad dressed
up as terrorists”.

It was most likely a real “terrorist” plot, possibly with some guidance from
western intelligence and definitely tracked by both CIA and Mossad, allowed to
happen and given technical assistance.  For a myriad of motives.  The net gain
of this operation was for the MIC, global oil industry and Israel financially and
public relations-wise.  Not so much for Muslims.  Cui Bono?

Also, people not agreeing with you is not the same as attacking.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 11, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

All the attacks on me merely confirm my position: Anti-Semitism run rampant in the minds of the functionally insane.

What’s ironic is the first to propose that Israeli Jews were behind 9/11 were radical Islamic web sites in the Arab world who KNEW that this attack would mean terrible trouble for them.  Of course, these same people accept “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” as legitimate and not a forgery, and “Mein Kamp”‘s “facts” as real.  It may well be the greatest propaganda coup in modern history, how 19 Arab men, most of whom were Saudi, turned out to be Mossad Israeli agents.

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By Robert, March 11, 2011 at 11:40 am Link to this comment

By Arraya, March 11 at 4:01 pm

“I’d also say elements in Mossad probably helped.  Fox ran a report that 60 or
so Israeli spies were rounded up directly after 911 - that were essentially
keeping tabs on terrorists and possibly had foreknowledge - this was reported
on Fox.”

@@@@@@@

BTW…Does anyone know what is George Tenet {Director of CIA 1997-2004}, real name is?

In case you had no clue…Its George Cohen !!!

*****

Click on links below to watch:

Brit Hume & Carl Cameron from FOX News reporting on Israeli/Mossad spying /9-11:


“By way of deception, thou shalt do war”

Motto of the Mossad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh3wo18oDZU&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS89vNH-eeY&feature=related

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 11:01 am Link to this comment

Disinformation that Israel or “the Jews” were behind the attacks
without hard evidence doesn’t serve to educate the public about the gaping
holes
in the official conspiracy theory

I agree, people turn it into something it’s not and/or use it to advance their
own personal prejudices but it does appear to be a connection with plenty of
hard reported evidence.  But ignoring this connection because of fear of an
irrational response to the information is not advancing understanding.  IMO, It’s
akin to not admitting and covering up that elements within the US government
were complicit not to upset people.  There is a lot of solid data of
foreknowledge, MSM reported events and motives.  Put another way, stepping
back and taking a big picture look is not a bad thing, where ever it may lead. 
Honestly, widespread knowledge of the event would rip the country apart. 

I’d also say elements in Mossad probably helped.  Fox ran a report that 60 or
so Israeli spies were rounded up directly after 911 - that were essentially
keeping tabs on terrorists and possibly had foreknowledge - this was reported
on Fox.  The story disappeared quickly after.  There is a long list.  But like I said,
converging interests.  Israel was a big beneficiary.

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By sdemetri, March 11, 2011 at 10:32 am Link to this comment

“Does this in anyway mean “the Jews” did it? Of course not…”

That is my point. Disinformation that Israel or “the Jews” were behind the attacks
without hard evidence doesn’t serve to educate the public about the gaping holes
in the official conspiracy theory.

If you look at the link in drbhelthi’s post, it leads to some other very sketchy links,
some leading no where at all. Idle speculation based on circumstantial
connections isn’t a solid argument.

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By Arraya, March 11, 2011 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

There are no tenable “zionist” connections to the events of
9/11.

Except for the high concentration of “Zionists” that were PNAC signatories and
their connection to Israel-centric US think tanks such JINSA and policy
document “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm” with similar
goals as PNAC.  Lest not forget that Silverstein and Netanyahu speak on a daily
basis.  And of course, Israel has been setting up false flags and blaming
Muslims since the 50s.  See Lavon Affair for details. 

Does this in anyway mean “the Jews” did it?  Of course not, but it does show
unhealthy national alliances and conflicts of interest. 

The other connection and motive is Oil which was the rest of the Bush
administration.  And good old fashion American Imperialism which has been
ongoing since WWII.

So what you have is converging interests coming out of mainly Israeli-centric
think tanks.  Then again, Israel has always been the US’s think tank for middle
east affairs.  Ignoring that not to upset people’s delicate sensibilities does
nothing to advance a full-spectrum understanding of the forces at play.

Cheney was point man, set up the war games and was in charge that day.  The
war games and intelligence “failures” are where a investigation should be
centered from a legal standpoint not collapse theories.  People getting corralled
into talking about the technical minutia does little to further understanding of
why and who, which are the most important.  Really, nobody will get indicted, 
just like with the widespread systemic fraud of the banking collapse, BP oil spill,
it just not get done at a certain level(which is the important perceptive
understanding)

Frankly, it’s more of an indictment of our political-economic-military
apparatus more than any groups of people. It’s kind of like complaining about
crime in impoverished areas, it just goes with the environment.  You want to
get rid of that behavior get rid of the system that allows it to flourish and get
rewarded - and that is an whole other discussion.

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By Amanda Roth, March 11, 2011 at 9:42 am Link to this comment
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And don’t forget our torturers admit to waterboarding Khalid something like 180 times.

It is sad and pathetic that our leaders, from Bush-Cheney to Obama-Biden, know so little about torture, primarily that you can get someone to say absolutely anything. And it can be done much more simply than by waterboarding, though I expect that gives pleasure to those doing it.  The Soviets were experts at coercing “confessions” before they shipped innocent people off to the Gulag and one of their simplest methods was sleep deprivation.  After 3-4 days of sleep deprivation a person is hallucinating and will sign anything you put before them.

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By Wounded and Dangerous, March 11, 2011 at 9:31 am Link to this comment

sdemetri below says that


” There are no tenable “zionist” connections to the events of 9/11. “

Well, I would have to disagree with this assumption. First of all, the Bush Administration was loaded with the so-called neocons, and many of them dual citizens loyal to Israel. You might want to start right there as regards the issue of motive for the event.

Other places you might look would be to individuals like Larry Silverstein, the owner of the buildings that were toppled. Just how does one magically capitalize on such event with such precision, and planning for it with equal precision? Just how does a building, namely Building 7 fall in free fall without even being hit in the attacks?  Pretty Zionistically suspicious don’t you think?  Larry is a comrade of Benjamin N.

Why are the Jews warned about the attack and how many Israelis died in the towers?

Why does Zim shipping ( Israeli company ) pull out of the towers just before the attack?

Who was in charge of security at Logan airport and who owned the airport where the planes apparently crossed paths on route to New York?

Who did George Bush pick to initially be in charge of the investigation?  Why does it take over 400 days even think about an investigation?

Why does a Zionist judge not permit people to take the matter to court and thus reveal evidence and facts surrounding the case?

Who owns the media in the US and how do they react to this incident?  Do you recall in the opening hours and days of the attack that the media was implicting Bin Laden and that we already had pictures of the 19 Arabs ( some of who are still alive )  Do you remember the character being interviewed on TV telling us in detail that the planes caused intense heat and thus the building fell down?  It was all seemingly coordinated and scripted for us. Our enemy was being identified for us by the media in charge of the event.

Do you not wonder why the controlled ( mostly Zionist ) media does not want to discuss this matter in any meaningful way?  Censorship is rampant and you will not last long in their employment by talking about this event or criticizing Israel.

Why is Iraq attacked and destroyed, and not Saudi Arabia?  Iraq was the number one enemy of the Zionist state at that time. The Zionists gained immensely by the destruction of this state; its elite were systematically executed.

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