hello again. it is difficult to convey the ongoing fruitless waste of human carnage, into the greed driven militarists lobbying the Congress; whom will not disclose, nor produce: a budget. we have one thing that country needs- “Sand Hogs”. it is impracticable to develop mineral resources without transportation tunnels through the mountains. instead of spending all this money, and time, on the military toy testing department- we could have dug tunnels -for trains and highways. that is what foreign aid can do for an indigenous peoples- not slaughter for illegal drug control. i have no qualms about walking away today, and taking scorn for years, for stupid assertions that politics were of any consequence. there is no disgrace for the warriors whom served their purpose; only a continuing wide open faucet of American resources being misspent, that begs to be turned off: by a growing number of citizens. ohhh, let them test their robots first. let them test their microwave ray guns first. let them (US) test other new military killing machines for the war business in your state! those people will never be able to work a humanitarian living- isn’t that the propaganda?

What pro-war nonsense Sam? Practically every post here with the exception of Go Right, is anti-war.

All of the arguments for not withdrawing (immediately or ontime) are based on the false assumption that violence works.  That’s in spite of all historical evidence that violence creates more and worse problems than it solves; that violence leaves a heritage of misery, hate and desire for revenge. that violence is always followed by worse violence.  The score is us-0, them-0.  The game is over, was over, has always been over and always will be over.

Wow, the pro-war nonsense is deep in these comments.

Somehow we have to get thousands of our kids killed and spend millions of dollars to keep a couple of Afghans in a cave somewhere from trying to set off another crotch-bomb?

What nonsense.  Bring the troops home now.  Spend the money on Americans.

More war propaganda.

Our lifeless Congress is actually mounting some faux-opposition to the war in this election year.  So, Obama’s war money is actually in question.

Thus, the Democrat propaganda writers suddenly want us to stick to their self-created ‘deadline’ that says we have to stay in Afghanistan for another year.

Of course, if this line of BS succeds, after the elections next year, Obama won’t have any intention of withdrawing. 

The goal of this piece is to somehow push back against the opposition to this war and make sure the blood money gets passed again this yar.

And oh, by the way, the cost of this war supplemental is pretty much the same as the cost of the unemployment benefits extension bill that we are told can’t be passed because of the deficit.

The obvious answer it to bring the troops home now and use that money to help the unemployed.  Which of course is what the Democrats don’t want to do and don’t want to hear. So instead they want to write about next year’s fake deadline.

No outside power has ever been able to do anything in Afghanistan.  We are not
going to do anything different than anyone else has done.  U.S. presence there just
prolongs the inevitable

For those who think this invasion was ever winnable, read up on the Russian,Indian,Pakistani,Chinese et al. Afganistan has been invaded more than any other country on the planet. In every case the attempts were futile. Afganistan is not one homogeneous Country. It’s a hodgpoge of tribal areas bisected by some of the most inhospitable terrain on the planet. The Russians stayed 10yrs and left broken, and bankrupt trying to use their might against what most believe is a backward weak enemy. You can replace Russia with U.S.A. and the outcome will be the same. We are spending trillions of dollars and millions of lives for an outcome that has already been written.

The thing I find most galling is the American public that thinks that invading a sovereign nation for any reason is okay. In that belief system, a foreign Nation could invade us to remove our President, kill our citizens and we would welcome them as liberators.

Faux news has labled our President as anti-white people, a foreigner, a terrorist, and so on. Would they welcome an invasion from, say, China to remove him and install Palin or Beck?

US Pullout: worst than Vietnam

The developing scenario on the horizon in the West shows that US Pull out from Afghanistan is now eminent and it may start earlier than expected. In the West; all along Afghanistan war has been considered as an unwanted war and consequently Britain as well as Canada are seen impatient to pull out their troops much earlier than expected. US desperation is also gauge able that is looking for some grounds to avail a face saving exit. But a humiliating retreat of US is imminent which is written on the wall.

After going through the recent allegations contained in the Matt Waldeman report about the Pakistan government’s links to the Taliban should be seen in this context and this may not be difficult to ascertain that end game may be drawing nearer for which all the effort may be in place, to make Pakistan a scapegoat and throw the blame of US defeat on Pakistan that how an ally, who betrayed US and played a double game of working as the front state as ally of Us but underhand has been aiding Taliban which brought this day of defeat for the United States.

The US friendship with its proxy Pakistan may be seeing a drastic setback and may turned out to be a zero sum game rather may see a much bitter a phase for a long time to come—- longer than the legacy of US defeat in Vietnam to keep US haunting in the future.

Link: http://www.adab-arz.co.uk/?p=1516

Afghan/Iraq wars, right or wrong is now a bygone issue for the time being. The issue is that Afghanistan is totally different than any other place due to difficult geography, feudal clan systems with waring warlords among themselves for centuries, lack of modern amenities, lack of civic sense as we understand, deep difficult islamic religious views, powerful Wahhabi/Salafi influencial foreign groups, Pakistan’s expansionist designs in Afghanistan to keep that country as weak as possible to subjugate it and maintain her political influence through the proxy Islamic radical warriers like LeT/JeM and etc; lack of education; will like to keep the Afghanistan under instable conditions.

Pakistan will prefer to tire out US/NATO groups with a hope to push her own regime. Though this may be far fetched dreamer only, as these so called Islamic proxy militant warriers have developped their own ambitious plans far wide and long term than Pakistan
and far beyond the Pakistani frontiers.

In such a situation, to declare a definite time frame to withdraw at this crucial stage may be very detrimental not only to the Western interests but for the peace efforts locally too in the region. Yes we must support withdrawal in Sovereign interests but not at the cost of a risk by another similar situation that happened post-USSR withdrawal and US winding up at the same time and 9/11, 26/11.

One must not forget that US was blamed for leaving Afghanistan in turmoil at that time and they have seeked a gurantee that US will not do so this time. Both Afghns and Pakistanis had wanted this assurance. But the Pakistanis have been always playing a double game that is now officially confirmed with Matt Waldman report and several others.

Therefore while we advocate as we must, but must not forget the other side of equations. Because we are here upto an agent, who will chase you in your houses, in air, in water to kill, because they are trained to do so only; by the dictats of the Holy Book as well as the military training by Pak ISI over these last about thirty years or so. It is not the time to discuss US role, for that we shall get ample opportunity later.

Pakistan is paying the price herself. Do you want the same? That is the point to consider. That should be the prime consideration of the timeline for quiting. This may take some time than anticipated. I suppose, it is a test of our patience at the world level, not just the US alone.

Think before shedding the adrenaline to risk the wastage of the whole exrcise. It is not a time for a blame game, but for a patient reappraisal.

God bless
Dr. O. P. Sudrania

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DEAD LINE

hello. keep-his-word nonsense is script living. reality is: declare war over, bring them home today, and stop the charade. the truth be known: if he was to immediately reoccupy Iraq, with most of the Afghan contingent (war monger ‘speak’), and salvage the good war (his mistake), by saving people in dire need whom WANT democracy; while surprisingly cleaning insurgents from Iraq- he would be a better man; ...while repositioning against Iran. and to bring 10,000 late rotators home -to our southern border: would make him a better man. and meanwhile, to have a beer summit with Iran, Israel, and Turkey- i may begin to like him as a person. otherwise i am completely in favor of American isolationism.

Your mentioning those Native American lands, Balkas, reminded me of this—

“For every false word or unrighteous deed, for cruelty and oppression, for lust or vanity, the price has to be paid at last, not always by the chief offenders, but paid by someone.” ~ James Anthony Froude (1818 – 94), British historian, novelist and biographer

Sooner or later, I fear, it’ll be “payback time” for this country. And Afghanistan may be where the first installment will be due ...

Well, americans never left apache, zuni, et al lands.
In view of the well-known fact that lands conquered can only be regained by war, the occupation-warfare by nato in afgh’n wld continue until one or the other side is defeated.

At this time, US-nato warlords and feudal lords are happy just to wage a mild war and occupation in afgh’n.

They are not ready or not willing at this time to wage wars against syria and iran. Present skirmishes in iraq and afpak, cost masters of war nothing.

Most likely, some of them are even getting richer; while at the same time having time to make even ‘better’  or much ‘better’ weapons and leaving the domestics more and more bored.

Or shld one evaluate as true that nato went after seven- or is it seven hundred?- ‘terrorists’ with tanks, jets, helicopters, foot soldiers who, by the time nato arrived, all left for lusher lands? tnx

I’m sure the Afghans would prefer a corrupt government of their own people than a well run government imposed by a foreign invader.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
- C.S. Lewis

Let’s beat feet from Afghanistan and let the Afghans sort things out themselves. The longer America stays, the greater the humiliation for this country (think of Operation Frequent Wind, the mad-cap helicopter-borne evacuation from Saigon 35 years ago; who in his right mind wants to see that repeated?).

A centralized, democratic government is not consistent with the Afghan mindset. We need to get out of there A.S.A.P and let the Afghan people, themselves, figure out how best to run their country. We are a foreign body, an infection, that is impairing the health and natural development of nations we occupy. It is time for us to pull back from Afghanistan an the rest of the world and worry about our own problems.

He should have been working with the UN, from the time of his inauguration, to see whether they would take over humanitarian/defense duties from this failing coalition, currently in Afghanistan

Stick to Inside The Beltway media politics, Mr. Robinson.  Stick to bashing and demeaning all who think unlike yourself.  Stick to the small minded bigotry and racism which you covet and know so well.  Foreign policy is not your forte.