fearnotruth—You don’t need a new investigation.  It’s all out there on the Web, but you have to cut through the official propaganda: when the Serbs committed atrocities, it was a big deal, when anyone else did it was nothing.  For instance, when the new Croatian government ethnically cleansed the Serbs out of Croatia, the U.S. government not only didn’t protest, it assisted, whereas when the Serbs did ethnic cleansing they were called Nazis and bombed.  That’s just one of many examples.  The conflict goes back at least to the resentment of German and Hungarian rightists to the uncompromising resistance of the Serbs in World War 2.  When the Yugoslav federation began falling apart in the 1990s, funds and weapons were miraculously supplied to anyone in Yugoslavia who seemed to be a separatist.  This is how previously unarmed pieces of Yugoslavia—Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Hercegovina and Kosovo—could suddenly take on the Federal Yugoslav military, something Stalin was afraid to try.  As I say, it’s all out there.

As far as I know radical Muslim involvement, for example the story that Hezbollah or Al Qaeda were supplying funds and weapons to separatists in Bosnia and Kosovo, hasn’t been demonstrated, although I suppose it’s possible.  If it happened it’s been pretty well hushed up by now.

I doubt if the U.S. ruling class wanted things to work out as they did—I think the earlier plan was to ease the whole Yugoslav state into the fold.  But when that wasn’t possible, the Serbs, being the least docile elements, had to be bashed.  Organizing and leading that effort was Holbrooke’s job.

RE:  “as for the atrocities, the
Mujahadeen brought in to stir things up had nothing to do with that?”

Does Srebrencia mean anything to you?

RE: Holbrooke’s efforts to nearly singlehandedly end the war in Bosnia and
stopping the genocide that occurred there.

and that got him dubbed The Mad Bomber of Serbia? - as for the atrocities, the
Mujahadeen brought in to stir things up had nothing to do with that? -  indeed,
there is a history not largely known - let’s have a transparent investitation

I must take issue with Mr Scheers’ comments on Richard Holbrooke. Nowhere in his article did he mention Holbrooke’s efforts to nearly singlehandedly end the war in Bosnia and stopping the genocide that occurred there. It would appear that Mr Scheer is stuck in the past in the Vietnam era and not able to recall the recent (15 years ago) past. Could this be due to Mr Scheer’s advanced age and political dementia or was he merely cherry picking Mr Holbrooke’s past to further his own ultra left wing agenda. In any case, berating a man’s accomplishments after his death is disgusting.

The issue with people like Holbrooke is not how bad they are or were, but how to keep them from getting power over our lives and other people’s.  Otherwise, as TAO Walker says, we’re merely like hypochondriacs discussing our latest diseases at a funeral.

To the dead, one owes only the truth.

By Amon Drool, December 24 at 1:30 am Link to this comment
fearno…since what i’ve read of your posts leads me to believe that you think
assange is a zionist sympathizer, i suggest you make your way over to the site
Information Clearinghouse and check out the posting ‘WikiLeaks to Release Israel
Documents in Six Months’

thank you - will do that - to be clear, ‘zionist sympathizer’ may be what some at
the sources cited assert - I’ve never asserted it - am more inclined toward ‘rich asset’ or
‘useful tool’

there is the curious no-jail-time, minor-fine judgement for coping a plea in
1995 on 25 hacking charges: NORTEL, NASA, etc. - http://tinyurl.com/2f35goa -
http://www.telegraph.co.uk - typical recruiting point for operatives

fearno…since what i’ve read of your posts leads me to believe that you think assange is a zionist sympathizer, i suggest you make your way over to the site Information Clearinghouse and check out the posting ‘WikiLeaks to Release Israel Documents in Six Months’

Re: fearnotruth, December 23 at 11:28 pm

You state: Again, apologies for any
misunderstanding, and all the best to you.

Merry Christmas.”

Response: Ditto!!!

Touching upon the matters raised herein, specific to the questionable character and honesty of the Chief Editor in Chief of Truthdig, Mr. Scheer; please realize that the only reason I cast into the general consensus that he’s an operative of some foreign agenda, rather than a servant of the alleged free-press, arises from his unwillingness to accept my challenge to prove the premises I continue to request of those capable or able to do so, in and honorable exchange of empirical reasoning. See: http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/robert_scheer_nabs_spjs_new_media_prize_20101216/.

As you might guess, the claimed talents of Robert Scheer must lack any provable excellence to enter the field of honor of the Science of Right Reason. Or, either his handlers forbade him, due to the fact that they know he’s paid to hide the real Truth and publish nothing of the whole Truth or just completely incompetent or incapable of disproving the obvious undeniable Truth of the premises we’ve stated beyond a reasonable doubt and still remain an concealed operative!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Lastly, failure to believe these stated inferences, you do at your own peril. But what we would humbly wish for you instead, is to apprise yourselves via the material we continue to foster for exhortation, edification, and your only political salvation, which is your only reasonable choice under the circumstances, that every individually faces globally or otherwise! It has always been your choice to believe what those who would enslave you tell you to believe…or…what, with your on reasoning, tells you to be the truth of any matter via the Science of Right Reason.

In support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And if one chooses, they may chose to click on the web link (http://seagov.net/) found within the aforementioned earlier web link given, for further simple discussions, appertaining to the Right of Self-determination of All Walks of Life, to evolve in the interest of Universal Peace and the supporting constructs applicable thereto.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

Holbrooke’s death just reminds me of what my grandmother said at the funeral of a less than reputable local businessman (and scumbag),

“this guy was so crooked, they will have to screw him into the ground”

But that may prove difficult, as you will have to brush away all of the members of the MSM who are lined up at his casket, reaching into his pants, to attempt to jerk this son-of-bitch off just one more time.

Dear Orbis Unum, Please accept my sincere apologies if your feelings have been hurt through any
misunderstanding. Never at any moment have I interpreted anything you’ve written in this forum as
disrespectful in any way to any other member. Your efforts to direct others to specific websites,
which may not be immediately pertinent to the topic, appears to be a sort of mission, to which I
object, not in the least.

I only pointed it out in order to make clear to the particular distractor, who has of late so
frequently hounded me here with gratuitous ad hominem invective, that your post was probably
not a parody of mine - a notion over which he seemed to be ‘gloating’ (the reason for my taking
what is for me an atypical angle by assigning the moniker ‘gloater’), but that rather, your post
followed a pattern you’ve established in other threads; i.e your efforts to direct others to specific
websites - again, something to which I object, not in the least.

I enjoy your eloquent verbiage and look forward to your contributions. Again, apologies for any
misunderstanding, and all the best to you.

Merry Christmas.

Re: fearnotruth, December 23 at 9:15 pm.

You State: my, oh my, that did look familiar - indeed, we’ve seen in a number of other threads the last half of this Orbis Unum missive - virtually identical verbiage and always with the link to scrib.com or seagov.net - the rollover reveals clearly Orbis’ missionary work - doesn’t bother me - webmaster may sense bandwidth misuse”

Response: I believe you and I have generally agreed with one another throughout this forum touching upon various topic matters. Why do you now contend with our cordial reminders when attempting to touch upon any Columnist’s foray or posters to any subject matter thereof, specifically when we only wish to add our missionary work as you call it, after touching on whatever particular instance in question? I have never disrespected you or your opinions or your choice or mannerisms to do so, directly or indirectly, or otherwise! Why? Because in the broadest of generalities, I agreed with your overall premises! 

And your alleged premise, that I was inferring to you specifically, respective to my comments via your idea of restatement thereto, e.g., “interpreting it as ‘parody’,  parody of my - sometimes lengthy - citations from various sources; taken in, it seems, as easily as by what appears more and more, day by day, to be the psy-op theatre surrounding the ‘leaks’ themselves, in which so many are investing so much hope, just as witnessed in the 2008 US election - yes, hope does indeed ‘spring eternal’ - a wonderful though very easily abused human emotion,”...was directed toward the poster herein, entitled ‘glider’ to this comment, to wit:

“glider, December 23 at 3:37 am.

Orbis,

Thanks for that parody, although should it catch on with fearnolie, we may now have to suffer yet more absurd long winded hubris than what we are currently enduring.”

As far as ‘glider’s’ reference to another poster or whomever, I did not comment in any was to supprt his premise or otherwise. Solely because I have never seen a poster herein, entitled ‘fearnolie!’

So, for whatever reason you may deem I’ve slighted you, I humbly and most graciously apologize, for such was not nor ever my intention without just cause. In the future if you feel such ever happens again to be more amenable in Good Will by allowing to to explain myself, in the interest of Universal Peace with All Walks of Life.

Lastly, failure to believe these stated inferences, you do at your own peril. But what we would humbly wish for you instead, is to apprise yourselves via the material we continue to foster for exhortation, edification, and your only political salvation, which is your only reasonable choice under the circumstances, that every individually faces globally or otherwise! It has always been your choice to believe what those who would enslave you tell you to believe…or…what, with your on reasoning, tells you to be the truth of any matter via the Science of Right Reason.

In support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And if one chooses, they may chose to click on the web link (http://seagov.net/) found within the aforementioned earlier web link given, for further simple discussions, appertaining to the Right of Self-determination of All Walks of Life, to evolve in the interest of Universal Peace and the supporting constructs applicable thereto.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

my, oh my, that did look familiar - indeed, we’ve seen in a number of other threads the last half of this Orbis Unum missive - virtually identical verbiage and always with the link to scrib.com or seagov.net - the rollover reveals clearly Orbis’ missionary work - doesn’t bother me - webmaster may sense bandwidth misuse

actually turns out as charming, in particular, as Wikileak-lemming Gloater is so easily taken in; interpreting it as ‘parody’,  parody of my - sometimes lengthy - citations from various sources; taken in, it seems, as easily as by what appears more and more, day by day, to be the psy-op theatre surrounding the ‘leaks’ themselves, in which so many are investing so much hope, just as witnessed in the 2008 US election - yes, hope does indeed ‘spring eternal’ - a wonderful though very easily abused human emotion

but even more embarrassing, is that Wikileak-lemming Gloater ventures to hold up this particular installment of Orbis’ recurring missionary exercise as sophomoric vindication for the weak polemic embodied by tiresome,  gloating, ad hominem invective, leveled, not at content and sources cited, but rather at the one issuing the citations

all too frequently, those lacking persuasively substantial polemic through which to advance a point of view,  typically level accusations of mental instability - historically, modern totalitarian regimes not only accuse, but on the basis of such accusations, detain and worse - sadly, this tendency, even though in an infantile state, is all too common, especially in a presumably liberal-minded forum such as this one - thank goodness it’s a virtual forum; were we face to face, no telling what might happen

finally, if, for any reason, any registered to this forum prefer not to see postings by certain other members, there is an ‘ignore’ button within the user settings interface - click on the ‘avatar’ of the offending member, and immediately the option to ‘ignore’ the offender is available in your own settings interface - trusting it works,  perhaps some others would as well recommend using it - certainly any member capable of using this forum can find and use the settings interface, regardless of mental condition

I think SoTexGuy is right—Holbrooke was not outstandingly evil, he was simply a company man, a functionary, just as Eichmann was a functionary.  He did what his government does, not as a leader but as a talented servant.  The problem here is not an isolated sociopathic individual but a sociopathic institution.  Its misdeeds are nothing new, and they have not been substantially changed any time recently by elections or political movements.

Re: TAO Walker, December 23 at 5:44 am

You State: It must be cold comfort conducting this virtual autopsy on one of their own kind whose symptomology differs only in insignificant details from that of the examiners’ own “selfs”....except he’s already reached the DEAD END they’re still headed-for.

Response: Very well stated! Now, can we get back to discussing solution oriented paradigms; not the parody of the living dead?

I mean, we are the living asking the proverbial question ‘to be or not to be’ who strive for further perfections of self-awareness aren’t we?

And aren’t we the living seeking further perfections of awareness to serve eternal vigilance for the purpose of preserving the living, in the hopes of passing this life into competent hands, for those we’ve sacrificed ourselves in the support of proffering to All Walks of Life the opportunity to greater possibilities in pursuit of perfection politically or otherwise?

Lastly, failure to believe these stated inferences, you do at your own peril. But what we would humbly wish for you instead, is to apprise yourselves via the material we continue to foster for exhortation, edification, and your only political salvation, which is your only reasonable choice under the circumstances, that every individually faces globally or otherwise! It has always been your choice to believe what those who would enslave you tell you to believe…or…what, with your on reasoning, tells you to be the truth of any matter via the Science of Right Reason.

In support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And if one chooses, they may chose to click on the web link (http://seagov.net/) found within the aforementioned earlier web link given, for further simple discussions, appertaining to the Right of Self-determination of All Walks of Life, to evolve in the interest of Universal Peace and the supporting constructs applicable thereto.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for the purpose of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

Isn’t an obsession with symptoms itself a symptom of hypochondria?  The subject of Robert Scheer’s article here was obviously a very sick “individual” over most of his life.  The same disease infects practically every member of the subspecies homo domesticus.

It must be cold comfort conducting this virtual autopsy on one of their own kind whose symptomology differs only in insignificant details from that of the examiners’ own “selfs”....except he’s already reached the DEAD END they’re still headed-for.

HokaHey!

sure, whatever you say, Gloater… some must take their little victories where they
find them, through whatever means they can muster

Holbrooke, Kissinger, Albright, Hillary Clinton…...makes me wanna puke. I saw a
famous video produced by 60 Minutes the other day titled “Punishing Saddam”
which aired May 12 1996. The video which analyzed U.N. sanctions against Iraq
included an interview with Madeleine Albright. Leslie Stahl from 60 Minutes, asked
Albright if the price of the U.N. sanctions was worth the death of 500,000 Iraqi
children. Albright said “we think the price is worth it”. Madeleine Albright was the
then American Ambassador to the U.N. Hillary Clinton stated during her
Presidential campaign “we will obliterate Iran”.

Re: glider, December 23 at 3:37 am.

You stated: Orbis,

Thanks for that parody, although should it catch on with fearnolie, we may now have to suffer yet more absurd long winded hubris than what we are currently enduring.

Response: Please allow me to most imperviously apologetic! I will endeavor to be as brief in the future as allowed by such absurdities that somehow pander themselves via the internet as intelligentsia that care about any real truth!

I plead your most precious mercy from the weight I carry for the downtrodden masses of unsuspecting victims!

Orbis,

Thanks for that parody, although should it catch on with fearnolie, we may now have to suffer yet more absurd long winded hubris than what we are currently enduring.

fearnolie,

You continue unabated and unrepentant, to consistently push an agenda of attacking the Wikileaks Angel, with an appallingly low level of “evidence/innuendo”, that can in fact be fabricated at anytime against anyone.  And you appear to be unaware of that fact.  Your grasp of reality was released long ago.

Re: fearnotruth, December 22 at 10:20 pm.

You State: “...to be clear: Holbrooke was an ‘operative’ not a ‘politician’ though the notion of ‘public service’ is correctly ‘set aside’”

Response: It begs us to consider the obvious laudable praise Robert Scheer’s Column ‘Speaking Ill of ‘the Best and the Brightest’’ gives such a known government operative, also may have been and still is himself, an agency government operative (of the controlled press). I mean, he was between 1964 and 1969, the Vietnam correspondent, managing editor and editor-in-chief of Ramparts magazine but did nothing to expose the complaints of the most decorated and highest civilian government adviser (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bright_Shining_Lie) to the U.S. and the S. Vietnamese government, during the entire Vietnam Police Action!

But, let us put things to rest so to speak, concerning the character of Robert Scheer and those proffering any journalistic awards for his honesty or character. Coming from the laugh-fable so-called uncontrolled free press of similarly situated journalistic comrades, asking us to be as presumably trustworthy of their ilk and praise in respect to Robert Scheer’s?

Let us consider Stefan Sharkansky’s opinion of Robert Scheer’s effectiveness proffering war time data (http://www.usefulwork.com/shark/canard-o-matic.html).

And, let us not forget he was a fellow in arms control at Stanford, the same post once held by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. And further did economics graduate work at the Center for Chinese Studies at UC Berkeley. A known front for the U.S. Intelligence strategy! Hum…you think maybe he isn’t what think, concerning his capability to be forthright.

Just read my challenge to him concerning his up and coming journalistic award if you care to determine, that whatever he claims as a freelance writer (http://members.shaw.ca/robertscheer/), he will more than likely never accept our challenge, for the sake of his own employee status as an ongoing operative. And thereby, is not, nor could have ever been such a free agent for those seeking the truth historically or presently herein, about any matter, without the leashed control of his handlers, giving him the ability to report whatever they deem acceptable press releases.

But lest others may feel I’m over reaching and being outlandish in my presumptions, let us let Mr. Scheer speak for himself by picking up the challenge laid before him as aforementioned

Lastly, failure to believe these stated inferences, you do at your own peril. But what we would humbly wish for you instead, is to apprise yourselves via the material we continue to foster for exhortation, edification, and your only political salvation, which is your only reasonable choice under the circumstances, that every individually faces globally or otherwise! It has always been your choice to believe what those who would enslave you tell you to believe…or…what, with your on reasoning, tells you to be the truth of any matter via the Science of Right Reason.

In support of the aforementioned, one only has to avail themselves of these facts by reading the “4” declarations posted by the SEA at the web link: http://www.scribd.com/rahyah.

And if one chooses, they may chose to click on the web link found within the aforementioned earlier web link given, for further simple discussions, appertaining to the Right of Self-determination of
All Walks of Life, to evolve in the interest of Universal Peace and the supporting constructs applicable thereto.

We honorably await any actual and provable evidence to prove the premises presented in-particular to the established facts raised with the declaration dealing with the Four Freedoms on pages 13-15 to prove otherwise.

My best to all who post herein, for purposes of proposing hopeful enlightenment or garnering enlightenment, while proffering Good Will in the interest of seeking Universal Peace with All Walks of Life!

Thanks for the real world obituary, which is well needed to provide some counter to the standard propaganda put out by the MSM government lapdog.

pertinent relevancy:

...many politicians find their way into the world of investment
banking…before returning to their life in ‘public service.’
+
our president for change and his party pals and followers didn’t see
anything wrong with Holbrooke’s resume.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

to be clear: Holbrooke was an ‘operative’
not a ‘politician’ though the notion of ‘public service’
is correctly ‘set aside’

conclusion: Wall Street runs the CIA and the CIA runs Washington

consider this, from Ronald West
http://blogs.alternet.org/penucquem/tag/pentagon-papers/

As for Assange’s not caring about sources but only the documents authenticity,
one only need read how the CIA uses authentic documents to pursue a public
disinformation [psy-ops] agenda through leaks with the so-called “Pentagon
Papers” as detailed by a former Colonel of Intelligence who worked supporting
the CIA [Colonel Fletcher Prouty, author of The Secret Team]

Anyone who has ever encountered the ‘intelligence’ community from the inside
[worked there] is bound to be a little freaked out, is probably paranoid, and
likely demented if they did not get out at first opportunity after realizing just
what goes on there, and then it is likely too late. My blogs are a little bit freaked
out, somewhat paranoid, and absolutely demented at times but I try for the
most part to keep ‘demented’ limited to satire for the sake of my overall mental
health ;o)  All going to my past in ‘intelligence.’

From my libertarian perspective, this is an excellent analysis by Robert Scheer. Richard Holbrooke was indeed an archetype of the hubris-laden, armchair imperial warriors that dominate our State Department.

The alternative? Ron Paul’s foreign policy of non-interventionism in foreign affairs. Bring all our troops home!

Is there anymore debased disgusting depraved brown nosing publications than Washington Post and the NYT.

AGAIN ROBERT YOU EXPOSED A GOVERNMENT APPARATCHIK AND DISSIMULATOR RIGHT OUT
OF THE MOVIE….THE UGLY AMERICAN..ALSO I APPRECIATE THE DIG YOU SERVED ON BROKAW..I
WAS A STUDENT AT NORTHRIDGE ST COLLEGE ..WHEN YOU GAVE AN ANTI VIETNAM WAR
SPEECH…YOU ARE A TREASURE..

The problem would seem to be how to uproot all the Holbrookes who have their hand in foreign affairs. I just ran onto a website concerning Big Ag making their jolly way through Mali in Africa.  They are all about developing large tracts of land now farmed in a more primitive fashion by Mali small farmers who are to be uprooted in the process. 
  The project goes by the name “Millenium Challenge Corporation” (MCA) and the US Government has a heavy hand in it.  The site is short on other details except for appetizing pictures and reassurances about increasing the world’s food supply. 
  Those who don’t know any better would take that to mean that Mali farmers will get more to eat.  Wrong again!  In very fine print under the beautiful pictures etc., we read a significan disclaimer:
“The information provided in this Website is not official US government information and does not represent the views or positions of the US government or the Millenium Challenge Corporation.”
  Of course not.  Why should it, when it doesn’t have to? Behind the secrecy sits the World Capitalist Wizard with his fingers in every pie.  So ..... are we going to let WikiLeaks do it all, and suffer the consequences alone?  Or what?

Good on you, Robert. Holbrooke’s foolishness goes way back. A servant of empire, almost to the end, when he somewhat wised up before he died and blurted—“let’s get the flock out of Afghanistan. ”

Excellent, Robert Scheer.

It appears that our president for change and his party pals and followers didn’t see anything wrong with Holbrooke’s resume.

Steve Clemons of The Washington Note = Deep State Hack

Steve Clemons on Holbrooke -

“....I can’t imagine results-achieving American diplomacy without him. I will personally miss him so much—and am deeply saddened by his passing.”

It is amazing how many politicians find their way into the world of investment banking for a few years before returning to their life in ‘public service.’ It sure is a nice way to supplement your government pension.

Tribute to Dick,

The ending, it could have been a happier one;
if your heart had stopped before the genocide in East Timor had begun.

Once again Mr. Scheer tells it like it is (was). Excellent piece, in time to counter the absurd gushing from the usual insider suspects.

Let’s not forget that this Holbrooke was the one to present (stick) Milosovic with the Rambouillet accords, such an insane bunch of demands that even a Bill Clinton would have refused to sign. (Ooops, after thinking, he would have surely sold out)

The reader can judge for themselves:

“NATO personnel shall enjoy, together with their vehicles, vessels, aircraft, and equipment, free and unrestricted passage and unimpeded access throughout the FRY including associated airspace and territorial waters. This shall include, but not be limited to, the right of bivouac, maneuver, billet, and utilization of any areas or facilities as required for support, training, and operations…”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rambouillet_Agreement

Here is Holbrooke at his finest:

“...Holbrooke then went on to announce that NATO had bombed the Serbian state television station in Belgrade. As he reported this, he looked over at Eason Jordan, president of CNN international, and added: “I know it’s true because I heard it on CNN, and I believe everything CNN tells me.”

Here was the official reaction of the 200-plus crowd of American journalists to the news that NATO had just bombed and killed some fifteen Serbian journalists and injured scores of others: it laughed.

Scahill couldn’t take it anymore. In the middle of Holbrooke’s remarks, he stood up and yelled out a question that had been on his mind. The question revolved around the Rambouillet agreement, which he’d recently read in full and discovered within its Appendix B a hitherto unreported clause. The clause specified that NATO under the agreement would have license to put an occupying force of soldiers not only in Kosovo, but anywhere and everywhere on the territory of Serbia. In other words, if Milosevic had signed Rambouillet, he would have been forfeiting his country’s sovereignty. No matter how much he might have been wanted to or have been willing to compromise before Rambouillet, once it was presented to him he couldn’t possibly have signed the deal without committing treason. Rambouillet was therefore more or less a declaration of war on the part of NATO—a fact that Holbrooke had not yet been forced to explain to the American public. Interrupting the cozy ceremony, Scahill tried to change that.

“Isn’t it true,” he yelled out, over cries of “Sit down!” and “Shhh!” from journalists throughout the hall, “that Rambouillet would have resulted in an occupation that no sovereign nation would accept?”

Holbrooke kept his mouth shut, letting the rising catcalls and hisses from the journalists in the audience speak for him. Scahill persisted, calling out for his “fellow journalists” to support him in urging Holbrooke to answer the question. No luck: all he got were more cries of “Sit down!” and “This isn’t the right time to ask questions!” In a last-ditch effort to keep the moment alive, Scahill then directed his appeal directly at the biggest name in the room-Brokaw. “As a fellow journalist, I ask for your support, Tom Brokaw…”

As Stahl shook her head to express her frustration with Scahill, Brokaw stood up. “Dick said he’ll speak to you later,” he growled, adding: “Go sit down…”

http://exiledonline.com/old-exile/vault/feature/feature67c.html

Kosovo: A PNAC PROJECT
http://newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm

Keep telling it like it is, Mr. Robert Scheer. You’re a patriots patriot. And Happy Holidays to you and this great website.

Bully is, as bully does.

Pirates and emperors, terrorists and governments, are all the same thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQBWGo7pef8

“But I need unemployment compensation and free healthcare.” :*(

Is it fair to portray Holbrooke as such a mover and a maker?

The man was a force for evil, for sure.. but to suggest he came out of University
and did all these things, accomplished so much turmoil and accrued so much
wealth and more.. that ignores the people he worked for, was directed by. The
leaders and officials who sent him out to do these things… and ultimately
rewarded him.

I consider it to be more accurate to say he was the ultimate company man.
Without Holbrooke, these crimes and stains on our history (or others as bad or
worse) would have still occurred. Someone else would have been found and
groomed to carry the ball and more.

In a way, it celebrates his life and work to imply he did all these things himself..
and of course it lets a lot of others off the hook.

Adios!

There has to be a special level in Hell that even Dante didn’t imagine for these amoral miscreants like Richard Holbrooke. Whenever another one of these low level bureaucratic bigshots gets his due, it always reminds me of the scene in A Man For All Seasons. When Paul Scofield as Thomas More scolds Richard Rich with ” What does it profit a man to sell his soul for the world…and you did it for Wales..”  What a great movie with so many great lessons that is so obviously beyond the moral intellect of these government sociopaths.

Thank you for exposing Holbrooke. The man was a demented, opportunistic ass, and so of course, Obama included him in his administration.

... and that’s not even to mention Suharto, Indonesia and East Timor.  Possibly the most direct influence on mass murder in this horrific career.

... oh yes, and then there was the Dayton Accord.  A diamond in amongst the coal?