You are correct in your assessment of the situation. The USA aids Israel both with money, material and concerning the UN where there will never be sanctions against Israel at this time.

I am still sick with terror, as most are.

The criminal treatment of Palistinians by the
joint operations of America/Isreal always brings much
spirit and debate, always focusing on Isreali crimes.

Our government is as equally quilty, if not more so.
This government has many crimes in many nations running
concurrently.
We still haven’t figured out how to stop these monsters.
Present political process has proven failure to
stop this madness. We can not stop Isreali aggression
and criminal behavior before we stop our own.
Does anyone have any idea how Americans can change
the behavior of their own government, the political
process has proved failure? How bad do Americans want
to influence their govenment, are Americans willing to
change their lifestyle to do this?  The fate of the
Palistinians that everyone seems so concerned about is
more in Americans hands then the citizens of Isreal.
NIGHT-GUANT—-PEACE, I LOVE YOU MAN !!!!

By DieDaily, January 14 at 11:52 pm #

“DaveZx3, I’m glad to hear that you agree that
legislating health and morality is always a bad idea”.

I would think it would be obvious by now that legislating almost anything is a waste of time.
Human beings do not generally react well to being told what to do and what not to do.

Besides, negative incentives for bad behavior are not as effective as positive incentives for good behavior.

But of course incentives are a form of bribery, and it would be sad to think that people always have to acquire some benefit just for doing the right thing.

So we punish those who do bad in our opinion.  But, of course, since everybody has a different opinion of “bad”, justice is rarely served and we fight on and on and on.

Man will never progress until he tackles the biggest issue in front of him, and that is to come to some kind of consensus on the issue of “Good and Evil”

ofersince72,
We got off on the wrong foot, sorry. However things are worse now in many ways than 40 years ago. The military/industrial/spy complex is far deeper into our gov’t and have more money and more influence than ever before. On top of that religious fanatics are in our special forces heavily congregated there and that is dangerous too considering how useful they could be at a certain time of distress in this county. Useful against us that is. Any who are too prominent or dangerous when the economy collapses as it will in its present state. (Hint: nothing has fundamentally changed and we are heading for another one.)

DaveZx3, I’m glad to hear that you agree that
legislating health and morality is always a bad idea.
It confirms my hunch that you were the good kind of
Christian. The bad kind is always trying to restrict,
restrict, restrict. No kissing in public, no gay sex
anywhere ever, no rock music, no freedom of choice
for women, must pray at certain times, must not do
business on certain days, etc. I hate all that crap.
Religion is magnificent when it’s so self-secure that
it cares ONLY to lead by example and offering. Ron
Paul is like that. He doesn’t even want hard drugs
and prostitution to be criminal. He thinks they are
social problems or illnesses rather than crimes, and
should be dealt with by healers not thugs. He might
wish that everyone adopted Christian morality, but
he’d sacrifice himself in a heartbeat to ensure that
nobody HAD to. It’s this type of self-secure religion
that might be able to rehabilitate the systematically
demolished reputation of the churches (that and the
abolition of 401.c3!). As a non-religious person who
none the less fights for religious freedom and
tolerance of religion, nothing undermines me worse
than militant believers who seek to impose things on
non-believers. Religious fascism is no way to live
and certainly no way to get high quality converts.

It’s a powerful instinct to want to “share” one’s
sacred beliefs with all. Often this involves guns but
sometimes just statutes. Anyone who has resisted this
instinct has demonstrated that they are mature and
secure enough to coexist with brothers of different
creeds and beliefs. The power money elites would have
us throw out the baby with the bathwater, telling us
that even non-fanatical faith is rooted in ignorance
or evil. Nothing could be further from the truth. It
is economics, not religion, that empowers the
machinery of evil. It’s always been this way.

“Please let us unite.”-Walt Banga

That sums it up nicely. That is the one thing our enemies do not want us to do. For you see they are organizing and getting larger and having more on their side even when it hurts their poorer adherents who make up the bulk of their side.

Night-Gaunt, January 10 at 12:27 am #
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a
profoundly sick society”—Krishna Murti
=======================================
A most profound thinker. The man was a luminary and
I’ve read many of his books.
Good post and it seems we’re on the same page.
Kunstler is okay; but I prefer;
http://www.ianwelsh.net/  and/or
http://agonist.org/

Maybe I’ll see you there.

Here is a quote I found that we can take to our minds as well as our hearts:

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society”—Krishna Murti

“In a dark time the eye begins to see[...]”—Theodore Raethke, poet

But if we fail we could be living in a much harsher version of the country we are familiar with. If they fail it will be a kind of barbaric chaos and reversion to a more primitive time. Harsher and more sturdy and shorter lived and simpler would be the people of that world. (See Kunstler on the details.) In either scenario the USA we know would be a retreating memory.

Night-Gaunt, January 9 at 3:25 am

I’d agree with your comment. The title of this thread
is Sick with Terror; we’ve collectively bought the
whole paranoid scenario as laid out by the powers that
be; collective, societal insanity. That’s why I had to
leave.

The insurance companies, among others, have such a connexion to our gov’t that it is barely ours now. Indeed it can’t even function now without corporate action to maintain it. That is deadly and dangerous for us. One of the items on the agenda of those who wish to trash our gov’t till it falls wants us to distrust gov’t. It is working. They want us to only have them as the choice when it happens. Their actions over the past 30-40 years have been diligent in melding not only church and state but corporations too in the mix. This sick game of terror is more for us to consume while our liberties are bit, by bit curtailed. Marketing for the masses and its more than just consumables.

That is how I see it.

By Night-Gaunt, January 8 at 2:35 pm #

Regarding my post recommending:

1.  Eliminating medical error.
2.  Making smoking illegal. 
3.  Outlawing the manufacture of unhealthy junk food.
4.  Mandating exercise regimens so people stay in better health.

I agree with you 100% that we should not resort to legislation to bring about healthy lifestyles.  Education is the preferred method in all cases, and it is proving effective, slowly but surely.

I only brought up the above proposals to show that a government that was willing to walk all over the rights of its citizens by mandating the purchase of commercial insurance, could certainly find better and more effective health-benefitting methods to walk all over them with if they were truly serious about their health. 

Insurance is the worst method possible for bringing about health.  Mandating the citizens to buy it is almost guaranteed to bring about no real change in the health of the citizenry, in my opinion.

Does anyone not understand the reasons why insurance makes costs increase?

By kerryrose, January 8 at 2:53 pm #

“Go ahead, blame the victim”

As Liecatcher states, “The last thing anyone of us wants to do is blame the victims.”

It is a very weird and dangerous world, and getting ripped off or misled is a certainty if you do not protect yourself and learn the truth.  But the key is taking personal responsibility, and refusing to become a victim no matter what your circumstances.

You can only become a victim when you buy into the lies that circulate around you.  Is a person who smokes a victim?  Is a person who becomes obese from eating poor foods a victim?  Some would say yes, but I say that they do have the strength to overcome these circumstances when they determine to do so. 

I do not trust the government or anyone else to provide me with some type of panacea.  Good health insurance can come in handy, no doubt, but it is not the most cost effective method for good health and enhancing the chance of a long, healthy lifespan.

Insurance companies, hospitals, pharmaceutical companies, etc. are in business to make money.  I think they do as much harm as they do good.  90% of the time, I will do everything I can to avoid them. 

And I am very skeptical about giving them almost as much as my mortgage payment in exchange for their claim that they will take care of me when I need it. 

There are many, many ways to stay healthy and restore health when sick, without resorting to doing business with the corporate health systems.  You need to do more searching on these subjects. 

You will be amazed at the tens of thousands of people who are restored to health without resorting to the traditional and outrageously expensive medical system.  Therapies, such as hydrogen peroxide often show better results than big medical therapies at 5% of the cost.  Has anyone ever questioned the idea that much drug experimentation and testing shows the placebo to be only slightly less effective than the drug and sometimes more effective? 

I am 100% for healthcare reform.  But I do not see much real reform in the presently proposed legislation.  It just seems to be an excuse to continue to funnel large amounts of money to medical, pharma, insurance and lawyers.

The medical system is a money system, not a health system.  The sooner you learn this, the sooner you will take responsibility to find ways to promote your own good health and longevity, without the outrageous cost.

Night Gaunt, you seem like a very concerned and
aware person,  I mean no disrespect for anyone,
I share the same concerns you do, My sarcasm is do
to years of watching the samo samo.

Have had plenty of flat tires, but i am resoursful
and always find my way back on the road.
I am a bad speller too. Wish you the best, sorry
for all the somewhat disrespectful posts, just
get somewhat tired of seeing DEM NOW have to report
the same depressing news , year after year when we
citizens told our government what direction we wanted
and they go the oppisite way.

Night-Gaunt, January 8 at 2:35 pm

Normally I don’t leave my comments open to
interpretation; I could have crafted that comment
better. Peace.

Sick With Terror Posted on Jan 5, 2010 By Amy
Goodman

TO kerryrose, January 8 at 2:53 pm

Hey kerryrose:
The last thing anyone of us wants to do is blame the
victims since we the people are all MIPIC victims.
The most important thing to keep in mind with regard
to the fear of cancer is that it’s a natural response
to trauma to the body’s cells. If the cells are
destroyed, new healthy cells are formed. This continues until
the rate of destruction outstrips the pace of
recovery, & the cells then formed are malignant. This
can result from toxic chemicals in the air or
water,This also happens from too much exposure to the
sun,smoking, mammograms (shown to actually increase
the cancer rate).Holding chewing tobacco behind lips
or cheeks produce cancers in those areas as well as
esophageal cancer from swallowing the juice. The
Government tested atomic weapons without warning the
people involved & they got cancer. So
pleeezzzzzzzzzzz realize & accept the fact that we
are all victims.

of course one more thing nitegaunt,

Have you ever been hauled down to NSA in D.C.
and hooked up to a polygragh and questioned if you
are a terrorist, then told you failed the question
and have to take it again, and haven’t been anyithing
but a hard working honest citizen that served four
years in the military and 14 months combat pay, then
have some “Mormans” show up at your door the day after an editorial is published in the local paper,
and also much later show up on a no fly list for
no damn reason?

I BELIEVE I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE POLITICS OF
TERRORISM

What junk Dave Z.

Exercise more, and pay your bills?

Go ahead, blame the victim.  A self-employed person does not have health insurance because it is too expensive.  That person develops cancer, and because therr has been no preventative or early detection the person dies. Better yet, they get chemotherapy, and the bill is 200,000 dollars… ya, pay that bill.

I don’t think jogging every day would have helped.

Right wing, nut.

DaveZx3
1.  Eliminating medical error.
A nice idea. One thing is to simplify the paperwork load and build in a cross check redundancy factor could remove the bulk of the errors.
2.  Making smoking illegal. 
I am against that, just make sure there is full disclosure of the risks and if the company lies they should be dissolved.
3.  Outlawing the manufacture of unhealthy junk food.
Again I prefer the informed consumer rout over the police/crime enforcement and a health tax on it so that healthy food will cost cheaper than that manufactured stuff.
4.  Mandating exercise regimens so people stay in better health.
I could go for that even if it is just walking for 30 minutes every day. But playing of many types can be fun without being mandated and give the exercise needed for the body.

Sorry Oroborous it just wasn’t specific enough so I thought I would tease more out of you. I may have come on too strong but I wasn’t sure. From what you wrote it could easily have fit unchanged into any right wing article. Thanx for the information and I am envious you have moved to a better more civilized place. Now if only we could have that here in Savage Land USA.

Ofersince72 besides the fact that USA involvement has gone even deeper into all this over those 40 years and it is sapping even more of our wealth away from us and to the war economy (going since 1950) and the fact of more generations have been born and died in the various wars so there is something more to say and do. The fact it has never been this bad before and the corporations have never been so insinuated into our gov’t functions should give even your jaded impulses pause. No flat tires for me how about you?

The American Medical Association agrees that statistics showing from 44,000 to 84,000 people die each year due to medical errors.  I believe this is just in hospitals. 

I have seen much larger numbers from studies indicating over 100,000 die from all medical errors, which number would probably inlcude the 7,000 who die from incorrect prescriptions, as another poster mentioned.

2,500,000 (+/-) Americans die each year from all causes.  (This number may be a couple of years old)
Of that number, 40% die instantly (without ever going to a healthcare facility)  So over 1 million people die every year whether they have insurance or not. 

I think the latest figures show at least 250,000 dying from cigarette related causes.

I am not belittling the 45,000 who are reputed to die because of having no health insurance, but it would seem to me that more lives could be saved by

1.  Eliminating medical error. 

2.  Making smoking illegal. 

3.  Outlawing the manufacture of unhealthy junk food.

4.  Mandating exercise regimens so people stay in better health. 

The bottom line is that lack of insurance is a very minor player in cause of death, and easily avoidable, with little or no legislation.  (just pay their bills if legitimate) 

If the government was interested in some major saving of lives, and they do not mind violating our rights, they could enact legislation such as those 4 above.

But instead, they choose to violate our rights by mandating the purchase of insurance, which will have no effect on the 1 million mentioned above. 

It is very easy to see that this healthcare bill is not about savings lives.  At 45,000 deaths per yer, reputed, you would think it would go into effect immediately, so as to save 180,000 people, instead of four years later.

And it is not even about reducing cost.  Cost is driven by forces which will continue to grow faster than ever, such as technology, malpractice, and the growing false notion that healthcare was added to the bill of rights.  If you think your cost is going to be less in 5 years, you are hallucinating. 

I think this healthcare bill is about something completely different.

So if I am a little disgusted with the pundits
that have written book after book about what is
wrong with American policy and have a little media
clout,  then turn around and endorse another
corporate hack,  I feel i have the right to call
them on this.

Hey, Nighttime man,  I am glad that you have
annointed your self as pertinent man. I bet you
get a lot of flat tires in that position.

On terrorism,  what hasn’t been said over the last
forty years?  That is just why it is all tongue and
cheek to me at this point.  Millions of citizens
talking about the ills and we elect the same ole crap
time after time.

Terrorism and counter-terrorism.  Who is the chicken
and who is the egg and what came first?

Thank god.  A voice of reason.

Addendum;
I also have single payer health care;
And the care is 1st world.
Just how does an emerging third world country manage
that? Good question for our corrupt representatives,
no?

Night-Gaunt, January 8 at 3:16 am #
Your point is taken; I just don’t know how you read
so much negative stuff in my post. I’d better be fine
with social security, I worked and payed for it and
now I live on it. Single payer is the only health
care worth considering and it should be what we get.
I’m not fine with the hijacking of our rights and
people being so cowardly and scared of every new boogey man the government invents. People seem to
think one can legislate safety. I do not want a guarantee of a safe life, never did. Further, I’m
angry as hell they (the government) saw fit to
militarize a crime, rather than the law enforcement
issue it was. Remember twin towers I?
I voted with my feet and left.

“As long as Americans demand to be protected from womb to tomb; we’re doomed. As the idea of personal responsibility for ones life recedes farther and farther into the past; so does police presence increase; as our freedoms decrease. An amazing price to pay for the illusion of safety.”Oroborous

Nothing twisted on my end unless I read too much into your writing here. Where did I go wrong? {Next time just tell me what it is don’t just say I am wrong. Its faster.] How are you on Social Security? Your answer will help me to see just how far you want to go. Tell me what you think of the New Deal while you are at it?

Ofersince72 your garbage didn’t “offend” me just got in the way like a torn tire in the road. I just swerve to miss it. Got anything to say of relevance to the thread?

“Sick With Terror” Posted on Jan 5, 2010 By Amy Goodman

After reading this article I’m nauseated by the volume of
bovine excrement that kept piling higher & deeper, the
stench getting worse as well. I wish I’d of save the letter I
sent to Democracy Now the last time she printed similar
mainstream media crap like this.
I couldn’t find out anything about Denis Moynihan who
contributed research to this column.
Here is what you really need to know.
First realize that MIPIC:MEDICAL INSURANCE
PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRIAL CONSPIRACY wrote the bill
just as
Philip Morris wrote the tobacco bill. What is going
on is just fascist theater,
a red herring charade playing good cop bad cop.
Progessives know this
because this is their area of expertise. However,the
missing knowledge is about
health. Health can’t be purchased from a pharmacy or
insurance company. It
can only be earned by adopting a lifestyle in harmony
with normal human
physiology. Russia & England have come out against
alcoholism
recently, & here in the U.S. we see regular articles
about the obesity epidemic.
No all out campaign against tobacco use. A few
articles about poor school
lunches appear now & then, but no “get up off your
fat asses & start exercising.
As soon as an objective article pointing out the
harmful effects of caffeine was
published, the industry quickly moved to discredit
the source & came out with
its own positive spin.

MIPIC is a money siphoning tentacle of the
NEW WORLD ORDER:ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT octopus,
determined to wipe out America’s middle class &
enslave Americans by foisting the scam of treating
real or imaginary
symptoms of primarily self-inflicted conditions
resulting from brainwashing
induced lifestyes requiring alcohol, tobacco,
caffeine, sleep aids, laxatives,
insulin, bypass surgery, to name a few, which has
enslaved the populace by
its false belief that without “health” insurance an early
grave is inevitable.
The tragic irony is that just the opposite is true.
MIPIC is killing over one
million people each year via iatrogenic mistakes,
versus between 40,000 &
100,000 who die each year without insurance.
To satisfy your need to know the facts of this
slaughter, you may want to
Google: “Medical system is leading cause of death and
injury in US”
P.S.
The way to fight back & defeat these miscreants is to
start eating moderate
amounts of nutritious foods prepared at home,
exercise regularly, get enough rest,
drink clean water & wear comfortable shoes.
Remember,health is acquired & can’t be purchased.

“Since the health insurance, medical equipment and pharmaceutical industries spent close to $1.4 million per day to influence the health care debate, we have to ask: Who will have access to those few legislators behind those closed doors?”  (Amy’s article)  Add my point about the power of the word “socialism” and what do you get?
  Turn it around: If nine out of ten of the American people were not scared silly by the word “socialism” the “legislators” would not be scared to pass decent health insurance.But because they too are scared, they can be bought. If, durng the health care debate, 1/4 million Americans would have screamed out, “We are not afraid of socialism!” $1.4 million would not have bought legislators.
  In large part, the queasiness of the American public, its inability to speak up,and to organize for political goals, makes the climate fertile for graft and corruption.

Night-Gaunt, January 7 at 3:37 pm

Ouroborus so we should just go it alone and live or
die without aid of any kind? Just like in 1890 say?
If so then you are part of those who believe they are
the Elect of God who are wealthy and should have it
all because they do. God gave it to them (blessed)
and so should everyone else who is “blessed.” If you
don’t then you are “cursed” by that same God. Nice
isn’t it? Are you Libertarian by-the-way? You want a
Pay-or-Die kind of society? I don’t. A safety net
does not take away your ability to progress, earn and
create. Your way is modern barbarity, my way is
civilized. [Hint: psychopaths like your way. It fits
their thrill seeking life styles.]
===========================================
Care to share whatever you’re smoking? Don’t load
your twisted crap onto what I said.

Hey, Nightgone…
I excuse me, so sorry that I offended you.

Yeah did a little hoggin this mornin

and hurt your poor poor baby feelings.
you probably one of the ones talk real nice about
change and always vote democrat for the same of crap

won’t do no more hoggin,
but it sure ain’t because i am worried about your
warning.  I have been warned

She’s not “forgetting” Gerard just emphasizing what is really important and contrasting it with what we are told is more important.

Of course most of what they do to us is punitive & designed to denigrate, degenerate and remove our rights—that is the point! They know that the free wheeling franchise that is called “al-Qaeda” (The Base) is a threat, just not a world wide crusade kind of thereat and use it to their advantage. Even while they create more of them by constantly killing innocents in their own countries! [It is a system designed to make enemies to help those who wish to have total power over us and to have constant wars and emergencies to tear down the Constitution/Bill of Rights and just leave the unregulated oligarchs in their “proper” place.]

CSavage too many of them believe Liberals and anyone else are “enemies” to them and to their state. [How can they not when they are told constantly that that is the case.]

Voice of truth who “discarded” the Harvard study and how did they do it? Got any links? Otherwise you are a pound foolish. I saw 271 one a day dying from lack of health care in 2006 and that is quite a bit more than 45,000. Yet too many of the “Right to Life” ‘ers are fighting against the idea of covering these people!

Ouroborus so we should just go it alone and live or die without aid of any kind? Just like in 1890 say? If so then you are part of those who believe they are the Elect of God who are wealthy and should have it all because they do. God gave it to them (blessed) and so should everyone else who is “blessed.” If you don’t then you are “cursed” by that same God. Nice isn’t it? Are you Libertarian by-the-way? You want a Pay-or-Die kind of society? I don’t. A safety net does not take away your ability to progress, earn and create. Your way is modern barbarity, my way is civilized. [Hint: psychopaths like your way. It fits their thrill seeking life styles.]

Ofersince72 stop hogging the space with off topic comments. You have been warned.

Have an idea that is both daring and very much
needed to save lives in the ‘good ole US of A and
end the hypocrisy spun as truth in mainstream
media.

America must have ‘independent’ politicians like
“Bernie Sanders” vie for office and given an
option to be on every ballot across the nation
before “we the people” are truly represented.

The traditional Democrats and Republicans,
[according to Gore Vidal], are both wings of the
same party, the “Property Party,” representing
corporate, not people’s interests.

Realizing true Independence, as well as universal
health-care for all, will be achieved only if the
real voice of “we the people”  is heard.
Represented.

Many blessings to Amy Goodman [her comrades
here at TruthDig too] along with her formidable
team of journalists and enlightened guests they
encounter Mon-Fri on Democracy Now.org’s
broadcast.  They are the viable ‘independent’
media who shine a powerful light exposing
America’s [and those complicit nations abroad]
heinous hypocrisy heaped on “we the people” in
the name of maintaining “Freedom and
Democracy” at home as well as around the
globe.  Health-care for all is not affordable but
“Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace,” [more irony
from Gore Vidal’s Orwellian take on US
Imperialism], is! Yep, “hypocrisy!”

CAP AND TRADE IS GOING TO SAVE THE PLANET….

MY SIDES AND JAWS ARE STILL HURTING FROM THAT LAUGHTER.
as EINSEIN SAID…
“THOSE THAT CREATED THE PROBLEM, WILL NOT FIX
  THE PROBLEM”

The CO2 would continue to rise anyway because there
is nothing left to recycle it.

IF anybody had any common sense left on this planet
he would also understand that most of the plankton
is gone,  95% of the world’s forestry is gone, ect.

Just what is going to bring the C02 down??

Just shutting down emmissions?

Man’s mobility is going to be very limited in just
twenty to thirty years.  The militaries will more
than likly be the only ones, they will also have
their limits.

It is the time schedule of events that is most
important for man’s preparation right now, and quess
what once again, we are being BS for WALL STREET

It is a simple carbon recycle that has been going
on since there has been polar ice caps, about
2 million earth years. However the C02 is much, much,
higher than it has ever been, it will be a longer
cycle. At 380ppm (probably before that) man had no
way of bringing this down just one ppm. ITS A JOKE !
Another sad one.
Top level knows this, hence no climate treaty, just
the grab bag of resouses we are seeing today.

And that is the root of all terrorism that is going
on right now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY does that make a difference? Because of
our preperation and TIME !!!!!!!

MAN, cannot bring the C02ppm down just one ppm even
if we were to shut down everything this minute, it
will continue to rise and maybe start coming (posibly) in about 20,000 to 50,000 years. Man can
live through this if he prepares in the proper way.
HOWEVER, we are going to be lied about just what is
coming for WALL STREETS sake. Evaporation and cloud
cover will affect man’s survival way more than any
melting ice. And in about 20 to 30 years, there will
not be any melting ice because of the ALBEDO.

we are tweeting and twittering ourselves right into
oblivion. Here is another joke…..

MELTING H20 +  RISING TEMPERATURE = EVAPORATION
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\EVAPORATION = CLOUDS
/\/\//\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\CLOUDS = ALBEDO
Why do PH.Ds and climatologist miss this?
I know WHY.  FOLLOW THE MONEY
ON CLIMATE CHANGE POLITICS! ! ! ! !

C-SPAN really ought to be broadcast on

COMEDY CENTRAL….  it makes your sides hurt

and your jaws sore from laughter.

unfortunatly, many get killed because of this
dark comedy show.

i sure would have like to been a fly on the wall

while Oh!-Bama was teaching constiutional law.

IT WOULD HAVE GOOD FOR PLENTY OF JOKES

JUST what kind of garbage are they teaching in
the Ivy Leauge schools these day..

apparently, they don’t teach economics or law

anymore, social justice not even a concern.

Nobody but few even know history.

WHY SEND YOU CHILD TO COLLEGE? TO BE CORUPTED?

If America ever needed some black leaders with some
clout to step up to the plate, it is RIGHT NOW.
You listening Jesse Jackson to those of us that beat
the concrete for you back in the eighties?? When you
spoke so forcefully and eloquenly against the Latin
America genocides, protecting public education,
against any more raising of the military budget,
prserving the enviroment and on and on and on about
social justice and other working class concerns.
WHERE ARE YOU NOW…other than writing senseless
articles in rags that reach no one.
ARE YOU TOO ASHAMED THAT IT MIGHT AFFECT YOUR SON
WHO MAYBE HAS NEVER MISSED A VOTE, BUT I KNOW PLENTY
OF HIS VOTES I WISH HE WOULD HAVE MISSED.
YOU COULD GO A LONG WAY IN REIGNING IN OBAMA,QUCKLY

here are a few of the black pundits that jumped on
the Oh!-Bama campaign, knowing what Oh-Bama stood
for.

These individuals have written book after book after
book on social justice, given speech after speech
on peace and justice, yet endorsed Oh-Bama at least
a year and a half before the elections and at a time
when Oh-Bama made it perfectly clear he was no more
than a conservative democrat. WEST, DYSON, JACKSON.

hats off to Louis F.  for laughing at them and their
idea of just keep writing another book!!!!!!

Voice of Deception,
>>ANYONE can walk into an emergency room and be taken care of, regardless of ability to pay<<

That is a truly great health plan, and sleazy disingenuous talking point, you have there Mr “Voice of Truth”!  And what if your “ANYONE” is a little more realistic with regard to population demographics?  They are poor but does have some money, say $40,000 painfully saved up over their lifetimes.  Do they just walk in regardless?  Or do they just do as your ilk favor and stay home out of fear and die?

As long as Americans demand to be protected from womb
to tomb; we’re doomed.
As the idea of personal responsibility for ones life
recedes farther and farther into the past; so does
police presence increase; as our freedoms decrease.
An amazing price to pay for the illusion of safety.

the only real terrorism is the state sponsored kind, because who else can afford to marshall the resources, to encourage the necessary alienation and disenfranchisement, and then allow it to occur? only the state can afford to sponsor terror.  The term “al Queda”  refers to a strategy of tension; what is the strategy exactly?  it seems to be to allow enough terror to keep us all shitting bricks of fear and loathing
why do they hate us? not cause we’re free, but because we pretend to be, when the country has essentially become one large jail/prison/work camp.  Oh, but work sets you free, just keep watching TV.
I love you Amy; we need more people like you to disentangle these spiderwebs of lies we are stuck in
Health care?  Food, shelter, clothing, education, well all these inalienable human rights are discarded like so much wrapping paper when money is dictating what matters. 
Money means we can’t afford to make investments in renewables, green technology, children.  Besides, if too many people were able to think for ourselves and see through the veil to be intimately aware of just how monstrous our so called government has become, the shadow forces in charge might feel less comfortable, knowing we know their names; it’s easier to just forget or ignore these folks who keep hanging through the administrations, the so called elections, the wars and mayhem they create and profit from
fascism is the law, that’s what we get, since we don’t like socialism here. we’re not allowed to care about each other, to house and feed each other, when we have to keep making money so we can be so impoverished by our inability to act and think and have a voice

Amy introduces us to Wendell Potter.

http://www.prwatch.org/blog/35267

The whistle-blowing insider is the second highest form of life on this planet.

Thanks Amy, for exposing that the whole Obama-care fiasco was just another round of corporate intrigue. In all major respects this was a very good report. I like a reporter that can bring the truth out, even when the truth hurts.

JIMBOB got it right on. started before my lifetime,
(60), all during my life and will be here long after.
Don’t know how Amy does what she does every day. It
sure takes an iron stomach.
A good reason they get away with it is stupid but
educated progressives continually , election after
election let the Democrats fool them

Personal attack nonsense like these latter posts aubtracts more than it adds. Is that the intention?

I was bothered by yesterday’s guest on DemNow, who suggested payment based on outcome.  To me, that means that those of us who are severely ill, severely disabled and/or old with disability and or severe illness, chronic WOULD BE DENIED CARE by medical persons who wanted someone with a more likely “Cure” possibility.  That kind of thinking fuels the deadly
“assisted suicide” as cost savings propaganda,as well.
See http://www.notdeadyet.org  I support this website.

This is totally BS.  That Harvard study has been completely discarded by anyone with even a basic understanding of scientific theory and/or statistics.  Really, someone dies because they don’t have someone else to pay their bills??  Are you fucking kidding me?  ANYONE can walk into an emergency room and be taken care of, regardless of ability to pay.  This is such a DEEPLY flawed study/statistic.  And moronic as well.

What about the fact that 7,000+ people die EVERY year because pharmacists can’t read a doctor’s writing and dispense the wrong prescription??  Now that’s a friggin tragedy.  Are you going to mandate handwriting classes for anyone who wants to be a doctor?

And comparing the potential deaths of innocent people from an ISLAMIC FANATIC, er I mean an adherent to the peaceful religion of Islam, in a terrorist incident, er man-caused disaster, to an idiot who won’t seek treatment because someone won’t pay his bills is so ludicrous it defies imagination.

As far as I am concerned the real terroristic threat comes from the corporate monster in healthcare, banking, pharmaceuticals, etc

Corporate America has done far worse damage to the people of the U.S. than Al-Qaeda has even dreamed of.

The tragedy is that corporate terrorists are allowed to do so as they have the “legal” right to do it!

So…the Rethuglicans blocking health care are essentially terrorists?
OK, given their current tactics, I’ll buy that. And add Lieberman and Nelson to it.

BTW, I’m pretty sure the Ben Nelson blocking everything is the Sen from Florida, not Nebraska.

Lieberman, from Connecticut, blocking insurance reform, is like Biden, from Delaware, blocking credit card regulation, or Jesse Helms, from NC, blocking tobacco reform.

Amy, you’re wasting your time.  Military conflict creates jobs and wealth.  Waste in our medical system creates jobs and wealth. Therefore, both are impossible to get rid of.

Yes, Amy—but you forget:  Health care for everyone is a “socialistic give-away” instead of “private individualism.”  And on the other hand, war is a good old American value—feeds the maw of the military industial corporate technological power complex day and night with tons of money and blood.  Gobble-gobble!  The “system” is working fine for those who profit from it—which is more people than we like to admit who would be on foodstamps.
War is the employer of last resort, and it’s worked for so long that we are in grave danger of getting used to it.

Yes true, but health care would deprive the health care corporations of their prey namely the American public, and it would screw up The wall streets revenue stream..Can’t have that…

Terror on the otherhand will never end as long as people are taught to live in fear, even if every single solitary terrorist were caught and killed, fear would go on….and we all know why…

As T.S. Elliot wrote: “Distracted from distraction by distraction.” This is the perpetual state of Americans. No sooner does the MSM start to “create news” around an issue, we are bombarded 24/7 with half-truths, innuendo, paranoid visions and idiotic analysis by who only knows who…...

So, it should come as no surprise that we can never focus on the most important priorities.

to view a partial list of crimes committed by FBI agents over 1500 pages long see
http://www.forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=59139

to view a partial list of FBI agents arrested for pedophilia see
http://www.dallasnews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3574

Yes we need to increase security. No one is really denying that. What we should object to is the hysteria caused by this attempted terrorist act.

I’m fed up with Al-Queda being described as being evil geniuses. They are not COBRA to our GI JOE. They put explosives in their undies. These guys are more Dr. Evil than Professor Moriarty. Every single terrorist attack on US soil in recent history (including 911) could have been easily stopped if the intelligence systems in the US had worked at a 6th grade level.

The truth is, the enemy is not great. America’s intelligence weaknesses are. There is no excuse for anyone’s civil liberties to be squashed until the intelligence systems are working at 100%. All this baloney about air port security is a misdirection. We should be calling for the dismantlement of the intelligence systems of the US and a rebuilding of them so they actually work. People need to be fired. Systems need to be redesigned. This isn’t the time for blind patriotism. This is a time to recognize that the system isn’t working and it needs to be fixed.

And the first step in combating terrorism is to remove the terror from our reactions. Fear leads to politicians using such fears for their own agenda and creating unnecessary wars.