Maani,
Well, it’s become quite apparent that logic is foreign concept to you.  Had there been any historical basis for aluminum deposits at Shasta, such as volcanic deposits on the mount or alluvial sediment in lower lying areas, the conversation might have gone elsewhere, but such deposits are NOT there and it is quite a stretch of the imagination to suppose that your black helicopters are the culprits for everything. You’ve brought them up repeatedly. Why is that? Do you see them at night, as well? Perhaps during the day?

As I had said, I find it a bid odd that the Shasta County mining concerns would have found it necessary to report anything other than the truth for use within their own industry. It was why, years ago, when I wanted the straight scoop on the Canola issue, I looked at the livestock feed analyses for the truth. It seems that the livestock industry was left out of the loop when it came to the erucic acid cover up “conspiracy”. Farmers were just noting the enlarged thyroids, congested livers and reduced weight gain from its use on their livestock and someone must have forgotten to tell there was another CONSPIRACY. The cattle and pigs were in on this one, and the pigs were flying your black helicopters.

I know a great website you can subscribe to, Dr. (and I use that term loosely) Stephen Barrett and his “Quackwatch” group of paranoid skeptics. Here is what happened with THAT lying impostor POS:
http://www.canlyme.com/quackwatch.html

This is the same self styled “expert”  who had been harassing the holistic medical community for years because he couldn’t seem to wrap his little pea brain around concepts that were too far above his limited intellectual ability. Now, THAT’S integrity, according to him, and in the name of science, too. Heck, the AMA, the FDA, and the FTC were all in bed with this clown, national news interviews, the whole deal, and the guy turns out to be a total fraud.

I agree with you that many good things have come out of good science, but that stance in no way refutes the links I sent to you regarding the chemtrail issue, especially the mining one. Are you part of that conspiracy that thinks that all the conspiracy nuts are out to change your world so you can’t recognize it anymore?

BR549:

Boy, I barely know where to begin!  LOL.

Re “scientists,” you apparently like to paint with a VERY broad brush.  Blaming “scientists” for the things you discuss is the same as blaming “Muslims” for 9/11 and terrorism: just as the overwhelming majority of Muslims practice their faith quietly and privately - and have no love for violence, much less terrorism - the overwhelming majority of scientists do good work in a variety of fields, and have brought as much (or more) “positive” to our lives than they have “negative.”

Re Al Gore, yes, he has a major investment in an environmental company.  But you are putting the cart before the horse.  Gore has been trying to get us to understand the human contribution to climate change for over 30 years!  His investment in the company is very recent; only a few years, if that.  But why should that be a problem?  If you strongly believed in something (other than black helicopters…LOL), and had the ability to do so, wouldn’t YOU “put your money where your mouth is?”  The company Gore is associated is only one of hundreds, maybe thousands, that will “profit” from climate change.  Or do you think companies should just engage in what they do for philanthropic purposes - i.e., not attempt to make any profit?  How long do you think such companies would last?  Your lack of logic and common sense here is astounding.

Re the aluminum situation, I made a suggestion for an alternative source.  Just because there may be little aluminum in the area does not mean it cannot leech through the water table from somewhere else (or, again, you simply don’t understand science).  I accept that I may be wrong, and I agreed that more testing should be done.  I merely suggested that blaming “chemtrails” as the default option for the source of this aluminum is speculative at best, paranoid at worst.

Finally, as to “what do you call ‘conspiracy theories’ when those theories prove themselves to be true?”

True to whom?  To those who see black helicopters everywhere?  LOL.  You continue to engage in confirmation bias - citing some of the most absurd sources to support your claims - and to remain hostile to science, logic, and common sense.  When you are able to see past your own paranoia, you might be able to tell the difference between various conspiracy theories, and to refrain from jumping to conclusions about things simply because they seem to support your preconceived notions of things.

Peace.

Reading the wiki history rendition of Octavian is like reading today’s epic story line of conquest, calamity and cunning chicanery….

You are spot on RayLan!

The golden calf is what these men worship… while we all unwittingly / blindly / reluctantly / rebelliously pay homage to.

What else is new? Newt, being a ruthless Rep powermonger, does what every other Rep does - prevaricate , lie and illogically play all sides, whatever it takes, to gain political capital. Neither party has any credibility on foreign war policy at this point in time. We had no problem invading Iraq and Afghanistan for much weaker reasons- and we haven’t left. When these BS politicians’ heads stop spinning like the proverbial possessed (BlowObama included), spewing contradictory and/or vaccuous slogans, we can sort out the real reasons for our military presences and ‘interventions’. There are three -
1.money
2.money
3.money
Capitalist imperialism makes a travesty of democracy let alone any phony claims of humane ‘intervention’.

Que la Paix soit avec Vous!

BR549

Napoleon,

Namaste.

Here’s one:

Can we all agree that NONE of us know EVERYTHING?

With that said, let us try to learn from one another…. yet, we must humbly consider the responses of those whom we may have disagreed with in the past for whichever reason, for they me the very person to enlighten you regarding that thing you may still be missing…. that which you have yet to realize.

Maani,
Your so-called “scientists”, as much as I have also had to deal with them, and many of them are duly well respected, are also the same body of ignorance that brought us statin drugs and Vioxx, having evolved from a group of bloodletters. Here we are 20 some years after Ubiquinone (CoQ10) was made commercially available and half the physicians are either still unaware of it, don’t understand it, or refuse to prescribe it for fear their patients might read up on it and find out the truth about the drugs the pharmaceutical companies were pushing on their MDs. Science may have discovered ubiquinone, but ignorance, denial, and greed are still alive and well in that industry.

Global warming? I sincerely believe humans have done a piss poor job in stewarding this planet, but then I don’t believe, either, that people, who have attained political office and had been expected to honor the public trust, should be allowed to use any disaster as a tool to further their own financial interests. So, to the extent that Al “The Whore” Gore has failed that mission and violated the public trust, along with it went any realistic hope of mass voluntary compliance and with what I once thought was a meaningful cause. It seems, after all, that our friend “Al” was more interested in using this event for his own personal gain than rescuing the planet. For that, we all suffer.

Regarding the aluminum issue at Shasta, I seriously doubt that the Shasta County’s mining industry report was bracing itself to address future conspiracy arguments, so you might want to cut them a little slack. Their industry is, after all, BASED ON SCIENCE. And as far as aluminum being as likely to “leech up from the groundwater”, c’mon, aluminum is barely present, as I stated, in Northern California. Since aluminum residues have been found on cars and rooftops, and it isn’t in the native soil, where do you think the stuff (including toxic barium salts) are coming from? Projects like Icarus, Cloverleaf, and Deep Shield, and others.

Skepticism is understandable and “hopefully” keeps our minds focused on the target of knowledge; ignorance and denial, however, are not.

Again, what do you call “conspiracy theories” when those theories prove themselves to be true? You just can’t answer that one.

Thanks Maani for your time in responding at your opinion.

Peace to You bro.

Nap:

Re the second video, more to like (i.e., greater support), but still some things to consider.

First, we have only this man’s word that the use of hash oil cured his cancer.  Yet even if it did, or helped, we have no idea what other factors may or may not have been involved: i.e., he does not “control” for anything other than the hash oil.  This is why it is critical that “controlled” studies be done before generalized claims are made.  Yet even if we accept that hash oil CAN cure, or help cure, SOME cancers, different people have different metabolisms, and will react differently to various remedies, etc.  Thus, what worked for him may or may not work for others.

Second, in discussing the prescription remedies provided by his doctor, he claims, as though it is a revelation, that they are “chemotherapy.”  So?  There is nothing wrong with chemotherapy (particularly so minimally invasive) to cure certain cancers.  As well, in attempting to show what he claims are side effects of these drugs (the reddening of the skin), he uses mutiple photos of only two people.  Again, different people react differently to various remedies: to simply choose two people who reacted to a reddening side effect is, at best, disingenous, and at worst dishonest.

Finally, simply showing bottles from early remedies that contained cannabis means nothing: for all we know, these products were discontinued because they DIDN’T work.  To suggest that the mere existence of these bottles somehow “confirms” that people “knew” anything about actual medical properties of cannabis is, again, wildly speculative at best.

That said, this video offers much more real evidence to support some of its claims.  For example, the discussion of CBD.  And the 1975 paper on the use of cannabinoids on cancer.  (The paper is here: http://www.ukcia.org/research/AntineoplasticActivityOfCannabinoids/index.php.)

As for your comment re “God’s protection,” I can only repeat what I have said many times: that anyone who thinks they can affect (hasten or slow) God’s timetable, or “play God” in such a way that God cannot undo or change their actions, is a fool.

Peace.

BR549:

Re the Shasta situation, I do not doubt that something is occurring.  But blaming it on chemtrails is wildly speculative at best, and maybe hopelessly unsupportable.  The aluminum is just as likely to leeched into the groundwater, and from there into the soil.  Clearly, more testing needs to be done - particularly before “chemtrails” becomes the default cause.

Re the “scientific comparisons” of topsoils, where do you come up with these sites?!  LOL.  Do you even know who is behind them?  What credentials any of these people have?  What “scientists” they are citing?  Did it ever occur to you that these sites have agendas just as the government you so obviously fear does?  Holy cow.

Peace.

Regarding government or another agency attempting to subdue the public at large by chemical means and such…. just to play devil’s advocate:

Could one perceive the actual attempts to harm people en-mass backfiring on such perpetrators, only to find out the effects to be minimal or the results being less than expected ( very few cases of disease or ill effects from such nefarious attempts )... could the nil results be evident of God’s providence and sovereignty over mankind?

I always think about God’s protection considering the proposed attempts to sicken the populous…. could you imagine how frustrating that must be to folks who are hell-bent on destruction and further subjugation of his fellow man?

If that isn’t a precedent for faith / a belief in a loving and sovereign God… and would convict them as well as convince them, then what would?

Thank you for your reply and looking at these things Maani.

One more regarding cannabis oil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPm0Jq9bj98

Also, just to be clear, this is not an attempt to support the smoking of it, but rather the administration of the oil.

This one is quite convincing.

Nap:

Re the video, there are quite a few problems with it.  First, it claims to be about “Marijuana Hals Cancer,” yet nothing in the video suggests this, much less makes that claim.  Second, the narrator often puts words into the mouth of the researcher; this is a standard form of propaganda (I am using that word in a broader sense).  Third, this study was actually done as the thesis of the researcher; i.e., he only earned his Ph.D. AFTER this study. (Nothing wrong with that, necessarily, but he is obvious not an “established” research scientist.  BTW, his thesis is here: http://publications.ki.se/jspui/bitstream/10616/38806/1/thesis.pdf)

Clearly, the penultimate claim of the video is true: anyone who claims that there are not legitimate medical uses of marijuana is either ignorant or lying.  But some of those uses - to ease the pressure of glaucoma, to help increase the appetite of people with AIDS, to alleviate side effects of radiation and chemotherapy, even as a way to lower blood pressure in some people with hypertension - have been long-established.  Re cancer, however, there is no study I have seen (and I read alot) that suggests that THC or other cannabinoids can be used in any way to treat cancer.  In fact, the only connection between THC and cancer that we KNOW of is negative: i.e., while no absolute link has been established, we do know that ANY foreign substance in the lungs (assuming the THC is smoked as opposed to ingested) can cause cancer.

I am all for continued scientific studies on THC and cannabinoids to determine what other positive uses it may have.  But any suggestion that they can help “heal” cancer is wildly speculative at this time.

Re chemtrails, that is not what people like BR549 are suggesting; i.e., that it is simply jet exhaust that adds to pollution.  Of course, that is true: jet exhaust DOES add to pollution.  But the “conspiracy theorists” claim that chemtrails are the deliberate and intentional introduction of various pollutants, chemicals, etc. into the air for some nefarious purpose.  Of course, the illogic of this apparently escapes them: i.e., if their theory was true, those chemicals would affect EVERYONE - including “them” (i.e., whoever is putting it in the air).  Unless, of course, “they” were already taking the antidote! (Which gives us yet ANOTHER conspiracy theory!)

I actually feel sorry for people who “see black helicopters” everywhere.  It’s not that I trust my government all that much; I have certainly learned that they are capable of all sorts of mischief and murder.  But when one is SO far gone re suspicion and cynicism that one no longer knows how to distinguish between “real” conspiracies, “probable” conspiracies, and ridiculous conspiracies, it is hard to have an intelligent, thoughtful, evidentiarily supported discussion.

Peace.

You two are having such a great time. When you quit your chuckling, would one of you buffoons take a few moments to please inform the residents of Mount Shasta why they shouldn’t be alarmed about the elevations in aluminum that are occurring in their area.
http://www.mtshastanews.com/news/x844655939/Citizen-concern-lingers-over-aluminum-in-water

Naturally occurring aluminum is extremely low in the Shasta County mining history; actually, in all of Northern California.
http://quarriesandbeyond.org/states/ca/quarry_photo/ca-shasta_indus.html

Oh, and you guys will bust a gut over this one:
http://www.thetruthdenied.com/work/GeoEngineering_WhatWeKnow.doc
This one scientifically compares affected topsoils with samples from under adjacent homes.

It is interesting how, since the 1990s, when the chemtrailing began, the soil pH in Mount Shasta area soils has been shifting upward and making it harder for plants to stay hydrated. You “braintrusts” are so convinced of your delusion, I guess it’s
really easy to ignore a few simple things ..... like goddamn DATA.

Your sheer arrogance is amazing; especially since you’re so convinced you have all the answers. I wonder what will happen when the rest of your fragile little world comes crashing down. What if all the other conspiracy topics can be similarly
backed up in this manner (and they are)? What flimsy excuses will you fall back on then? You clowns really need to get off your asses and do some better homework.

Maani, your thoughts on the following please:

a) Cannabis oil to cure / prevent cancer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVS9QIzTT7k

b) Chemtrails: the exhaust from jet planes which causes further pollution and endangers our species.. yet stays suspended in the atmosphere for hours / most of the day?

c) Contrails: ice crystals forming due to a heated object flying at a high rate of speed through cold / frigid air… which eventually evaporate / melt due to the sun’s rays?

I reside in SoCal, and noticed today the sky filled with jet exhaust, not contrails, which stayed suspended for most of the day.

Nap:

Not sure if Jones is actually CIA, but there is certainly some question about exactly who HIS “handlers” are.  He is right about some things, wrong about others.  He has about as much understanding of science as BR549.  LOL.  Chemtrails?  Fully and completely debunked by the scientific community.  (But then, BR549 will simply say that the “scientific community” is, itself, a big conspiracy!)  HAARP?  Debunked.  Fluoride?  Please.  He apparently watched Dr. Strangelove a few too many times.  Vaccines?  Which ones?

There is probably more truth in the suggestion that cellphone use is related to certain types of cancers (although even this is still debatable, at least there is actual SCENTIFIC evidence that there MAY be a link) than any of the things BR549 has put forth except 9/11 (for which there is SO MUCH evidence putting the “official story” in question that only those who trust WAY too much in their government still believe it).  I’m guessing BR549 is a climate change denier as well (though I hope I’m wrong).

Peace.

Maani wrote:
“Given that, any continued debate is futile: you live in a world of confirmation bias of your preconceived notions and conspiracy theories, while I live in a world where an understanding of science and a willingness to do research beyond my own preconceived biases is paramount.”

Oh, really. It must be nice in that ivory tower, but I think the air is getting a bit thin. You can dismiss the “conspiracy theories” all you want, but you still haven’t addressed my question about what to call them after they prove to be true; specifically, each of the ones I had mentioned. All the ones I had listed have since been proven, and NO, I didn’t put little green men or some hidden planet Nibiru on the list, nor do I believe in Atlantis or Lemuria. I have a science and engineering background, so when you make asinine statements like the one above, I mean, Jeez, it’s better than watching Comedy Central.

As for Alex Jones, I hate it when he gets on his rants. He acts like a complete and utter asshole. It is so GD unprofessional ...... however, when he can continue to pull in speakers like Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Catherine Austin-Fitts, Nigel Farage, Ron Paul, Pakistani General Hamid Gul, Dr. Doug Rokke, and many others, and they continue to show up on the show, sorry, I’ll just continue to put up with his ridiculous rants. For some reason, these speakers still seem to resonate enough with his message, even though people here are still in a state of denial. I guess the reason they are still on his show is because they haven’t heard your profound message yet to the contrary. Whatever floats your boat.

Alex Jones is CIA.. for he instigates peaceful rallies and also instigated his listeners with a mock ‘end of the world’ broadcast prior to the clock striking midnight before year 2000.

William Cooper called him out as a liar, and was right!

Jones is a lackey for the powers that be… he is NOT to be trusted, no matter how much factual stuff he may spout.

But this, like all my posts, will be ignored.

BR549:

“Those who dared question Chemtrails, HAARP, fluoride, vaccines and 9/11 were all relegated to the tin-foil hat club by cocktail toting traditionalists who still avidly believing that the system was still working. Well, guess what? It’s all come true, and more. So the question for you, my friend, is ........ what do you call it when the conspiracy topics then all come true?”

I can only repeat thatwhile there are certainly some conspiracies, not everything is a conspiracy.  Your suggestion that “all of these” have come true (Chemtrails, HAARP, fluoride, vaccines) displays an almost frightening ignorance of fact and science.  As I said, you apparently have never met a conspiracy theory you could not get behind; i.e., you apparently do not have the ability (or time, research capability, etc.) to separate largely provable conspiracies from those that are either very weak, or have been utterly debunked by real science.

Of course, I am getting the sense here that you do not believe in science any more than the far right wing (Beck, Palin, Bachmann, et al).  Given that, any continued debate is futile: you live in a world of confirmation bias of your preconceived notions and conspiracy theories, while I live in a world where an understanding of science and a willingness to do research beyond my own preconceived biases is paramount.

Thus, we shall agree to disagree.

Peace.

Maani,
Alex Jones is hardly the only one dredging up what has been going on. I used to think most of this was all conspiratorial too, that was until a client of mine, a manufacturing sector economist put me onto much of it. Here was a guy who made his living from analyzing economic and business patterns and, so far, he has been right on target ....... about the banks, the economy, gold and silver. BTW, the number of facilities is over 850. Bear in mind that one little odd tidbit I had noticed, just as an aside, was that the grocery stores and drug stores in my small CA town had all decided to either start or expand their liquor inventories. What did their forecasters envision? It wouldn’t seem like much, by itself, but after running it past my resident economist, and from an economist’s perspective, it fit right into place.

With all your “research”, did you bother to connect the dots with COG, REX84, FEMA, and DHS? And why didn’t you address my comment about Jack Brooks? By the time that the Iran-Contra hearings had come around, COG had already been perverted from what the public had been sold a bill of goods on during the Carter and early Reagan Administrations. No one really objected to maintaining a viable government during an emergency. What people are now objecting to is it having become a huge “black hole” with no accountability.

FEMA couldn’t respond to Katrina due partly to the fact that Brownie’s hands were tied because FEMA was too engrossed with building the camps, that you still can’t accept, to do anything close to a disaster response.

I don’t know if I SHOULD apologize for being sarcastic since you feel it necessary to provide commentary on issues that it does not appear you have researched very well, if at all.

Those who dared question Chemtrails, HAARP, fluoride, vaccines and 9/11 were all relegated to the tin-foil hat club by cocktail toting traditionalists who still avidly believing that the system was still working. Well, guess what? It’s all come true, and more. So the question for you, my friend, is ........ what do you call it when the conspiracy topics then all come true? What does that do to your paradigm then?

On a parting note, you might want to check out the info provided by Larry Stuler about the Social Security scam. That is a real eye opener. But as usual, most people won’t bother to interrupt their date with “Dancing With The Stars” to even challenge themselves. That’s the country we live in; too many people addicted to the Blue Pill.

BR549:

“Our entire domestic policy has become contingent upon a false flag event on 9/11/2001 and we still have people blaming Muslims. How predictable. I guess these same people are still unaware that now deceased former Defense Secretary Robert MacNamara confessed that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was totally staged.”

Actually, that is not historically correct.  It was not “staged.”  Rather, it simply did not happen the way that LBJ later claimed.  LBJ knew BEFORE his televised speech “using” the GOT incident to escalate the war that the GOT incident was a phony; i.e., what was CLAIMED happened did not, but LBJ “used” it anyway.  However, any way you cut it, you are correct that “Basically, 58,000 troops died to preserve another lie, just as we had 3,000 die for the same reason almost ten years ago ..... a lie.”

This issue [alleged FEMA “concentration” camps] has been a hot button since Texas Rep. Jack Brooks tried to grill Ollie North about it during the Iran-Contra hearings, and then Sen. Dan Inouye felt it necessary to squash that information before it reached the American public. Where have you been?”

You apparently never met a conspiracy theory you did not like.  (Yes, there ARE conspiracies; but not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.)  Although it is true that the U.S. had built a handful of “detainment” facilities during the Reagan-Bush I era, they were never used.  As for the “new” claims about the supposed “REX 84” facilities, the genesis of this claim was a single “report” by a group called Friends of Liberty, an ultra-right-wing anti-government group.  Virtually every other “report” on this stems from that single claim - one that FOL was never able to substantiate.  (And many of the other claims are hoaxes that have been broadly debunked.)

FEMA does have a number of facilities (but not NEAR 800) set up for emergencies, including, in a few instances, potential martial law and continuation of government.  This is hardly a revelation, or even particularly strange.  Only those who see black helicopters everywhere would turn this into some nefarious government plot.  For goodness sake: FEMA couldn’t even handle Katrina properly; what makes you think they could handle something far more difficult?

“Were you waiting for the 20th anniversary before you brought yourself up to speed? Have you heard of the Banking Crisis?”

There is no need to be sarcastic.  I am easily as up to speed as anyone; perhaps moreso, since I actually do extensive research, and not just “confirmation bias” of my preconceived notions.  You would do well to consider trying this, instead of just regurgitating Alex Jones’ paranoid fantasies.

Peace.

Maani wrote:
“On this [911 investigation] we agree.  But why blame Obama?  There is SO much blame to go around here that blaming HIM is almost beside the point.”

Because he was the first president in office after Bush AND he promised transparency. Our entire domestic policy has become contingent upon a false flag event on 9/11/2001 and we still have people blaming Muslims. How predictable. I guess these same people are still unaware that now deceased former Defense Secretary Robert MacNamara confessed that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was totally staged. This was in order to protect oil drilling for Kellog, Brown and Root (before Cheney’s Halliburton came onto the scene). Basically, 58,000 troops died to preserve another lie, just as we had 3,000 die for the same reason almost ten years ago ..... a lie.

““And why are still bringing in for foreign troops into this country and building more detention camps (over 850 at present)?” I don’t understand this; please explain.”

That’s exactly what I mean. This issue has been a hot button since Texas Rep. Jack Brooks tried to grill Ollie North about it during the Iran-Contra hearings, and then Sen. Dan Inouye felt it necessary to squash that information before it reached the American public. Where have you been?

Pappa Bush was knee deep in this stuff and then Clinton became livid during one press interview when a reporter had the temerity to ask about the FEMA camps. Were you waiting for the 20th anniversary before you brought yourself up to speed? Jeez, it’s no wonder this country is in such a mess; too many people are still slugging the Kool-Aid. Have your heard of the Banking Crisis? The next one is going to be a doozie.

BR549:

“Sure, there were issues to be negotiated, issues to take a stance against, and issues that would develop, but we still have Guantanomo…”

Actually, we only still have Guantanamo because the GOP refused to allow him to move the detainees to a Supermax prison in the U.S.  Once again, you place responsibility in the wrong direction.

“...he is still dumping a fortune into hiding his birth certificate…”

I’d rather not get into the absurd “birther” conspiracy, but I will say (i) he is not dumping a fortune anywhere (i.e., you will need to show support for this claim), and (ii) the fact that the birthers don’t accept the “live birth certificate” is absurd, since that is all that most presidents prior to Obama ever had (i.e., the long-form BC was not even created until the 1900s), and that is the only thing even the presidents who DID have long-form certificates ever showed.

“...we haven’t budged on inch on a 9/11 investigation…”

On this we agree.  But why blame Obama?  There is SO much blame to go around here that blaming HIM is almost beside the point.

“And why are still bringing in for foreign troops into this country and building more detention camps (over 850 at present)?”

I don’t understand this; please explain.

Peace.

Maani,
It doesn’t take much to realize that Obama had his own agenda laid out well in advance. Sure, there were issues to be negotiated, issues to take a stance against, and issues that would develop, but we still have Guantanomo, he is still dumping a fortune into hiding his birth certificate, and we haven’t budged on inch on a 9/11 investigation. And why are still bringing in for foreign troops into this country and building more detention camps (over 850 at present)? Or are you done watching American Idol yet?

While I do think he is an intelligent man, I then fault him doubly for thinking that we would be so gullible as to believe it was all the fault of the Republicans.

No, Obama knew well in advance what was going to happen when he arrived in Washington. The secret meeting with Feinstein and Hillary beforehand; this guy is sly like a fox and obviously has a whole coop full of chickens just willing to line up for his dinner table. ...... And I voted for the maggot! Once burned, twice shy.

If Newt runs….. he could win! 

Look at this to see how programs exist to ‘fix’ elections… this is how the little Bush WON!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck

BR549:

“Oh, you mean like believing that Obama was telling the truth when he spoon fed the US voters his ‘Hope and Change’ crap? Something like that?”

While I am disappointed in some of the things Obama has and has not done, I think it should be pointed out that he could not have predicted that practically from the moment he took the oath of office, the GOP entrenched itself as the “party of No,” preventing him from effecting almost ANY “change” without either battling lies (e.g., “death panels”) or compromising to the point of severe dilution.

You are placing the blame in the wrong direction.

Peace.

Gene,
“If you don’t like Newt Gingrich’s carefully considered and passionately argued position on the U.S. intervention in Libya, just wait. Recent history suggests that within days he’ll be saying the opposite of whatever he’s saying now.”

Oh, you mean like believing that Obama was telling the truth when he spoon fed the US voters his “Hope and Change” crap? Something like that?

This is true about Newt, he always changes horses in the middle of the stream.
Newt is just another agitator on the same plane as Beck, Palin, Limbaugh, Lieberman and the rest of the neocons, he no say in congress or government. He may run for president but are their really any people still dumbed down enough to vote for this bobble head?

Call Me Roy is for hire folks, just write him a check and invite him to the annual good ole boys yahoo barbeque!

call me roy:

What in tarnation does all of that have to do with the subject of the article?  No one here is foolish enough to believe that these machinations don’t occur, or that each party has its way of “spinning” the othre party.  But that is not what this article is about.

It’s about a single person, about to run for president, who speaks out of both sides of his mouth - sometimes simultaneously - and can’t keep his stories straight.  It’s about a serial philanderer and intellectual midget who wants to run this country.  It’s about the difference between someone who may or may not be overly cerebral and “overthink” things (Obama) and someone who shoots from the hip, often saying two different things one after the other.

Here’s my favorite Newtism of the week, about the future of the U.S.:

“I’m concerned about a secular, atheist country dominated by radical Islamists.”

Huh?  If the country were dominated by radical Islamists, it wouldn’t exactly be atheist or secular, now, would it?  (It simply wouldn’t be “Christian.”)

This guy not only says two completely opposing things at two different times, he even puts mutually exclusive ideas into a single sentence.

Peace.

Shooting from the what, Eugene?

Caught: Reporters Overhear Dem’s Secret Budget Strategy — ‘Always Use the Word Extreme’
Sen. Charles Schumer was caught giving marching orders to colleagues during a conf. call Tuesday.
“Um, Senators, ever heard of the mute button?”
That’s how the New York Times — yes the New York Times — begins its story on how Democratic Senators were caught Tuesday morning discussing secret marching orders before a conference call. Apparently, the senators didn’t realize that several of the reporters were already logged into the call and began discussing just how they wanted to verbally paint the GOP, House Speaker John Boehner, and the Tea Party.
The instructions came from the Senate’s No. 3 Democrat, New York’s Charles Schumer. The Times explains his instructions:
After thanking his colleagues — Barbara Boxer of California, Ben Cardin of Maryland, Tom Carper of Delaware and Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut — for doing the budget bidding for the Senate Democrats, who are facing off against the House Republicans over how spending for the rest of the fiscal year, Mr. Schumer told them to portray John Boehner of Ohio, the Speaker of the House, as painted into a box by the Tea Party, and to decry the spending cuts that he wants as extreme. “I always use the word extreme,” Mr. Schumer said, “That is what the caucus instructed me to use this week.” [Emphasis added]
Eventually, it seems someone did find that mute button. But Schumer‘s instructions didn’t fall on deaf ears. As soon as the call officially started the senators accomplished their mission:
“We are urging Mr. Boehner to abandon the extreme right wing,” said Ms. Boxer, urging the House to compromise on the scale of spending cuts and to drop proposed amendments that would deny federal financing for Planned Parenthood and for government agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency.
Mr. Carper continued with the theme, referring to some House Republicans’ “right-wing extremist friends.” Mr. Cardin decried Mr. Boehner giving into “extremes of his party.” Mr. Blumenthal closed by speaking of the “relatively small extreme group of ideologues” who are “an anchor” dragging down the budget negotiation process. [Emphasis added]
Sure, this isn‘t we’re-involved-in-a-third-war shocking — securing messaging is a fact of political life. But it is, if nothing else, worth a chuckle. Especially considering the Democrats — possibly oblivious to the gaffe — said exactly what they said they were going to say.
That, folks, is how the political sausage is made.

Talk fast and people think you are a busy person.

Actually, Newt is one of the most physically and intellectually lazy people of all time. Hedonistic and languid to the core of his overbearing being. Read a book once by Alvin Toffler, zeroed in charter schools and has beaten that dog to death even though there is a sneaking awareness that charter schools are nothing but white flight.

Yup. He can talk up a storm and the people in the audience who have paid good money to hear him and have the average I.Q. of a toadstool, think he must be smart ‘cause he sure talks fast even though they don’t have any idea what the man has just said. Nor does he.

How any woman in her right mind…......... No. Not going to go there. Too near dinner time.

That phat-headed newt.  Head keeps swelling from all the disinformation and misinformation he’s spouting out.. can someone step on that reptile already?  Or pick him up by his tail and place him back in his gated community / cage?