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Posted on Jul 21, 2011
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Tea party supporter Barbara Ann Nowak cheers during a rally in Chicago.

By Bill Boyarsky

There is a deep-rooted wrongheadedness about the Republicans as they drag the country toward fiscal disaster. Those afflicted with this harmful thinking range from tea party extremists like Michele Bachmann to pundits such as Peggy Noonan.

The irrationality of Bachmann and the rest of the conservative House Republicans is well known from daily news accounts of their refusal to negotiate on the debt limit. Digging into the politicians’ lesser reported speeches and reading the pundit musings give an even clearer picture of the conservative Republican mind-set.

Take, for example, the way Bachmann and fellow right-winger Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, have been campaigning in the rural Midwest against the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s $1.2 billion settlement of a class action suit brought by African-American farmers. The farmers wanted compensation, saying they had been victims of generations of prejudice by local Agriculture Department officials who denied them loans and other aid.

This settlement and a previous one were praiseworthy efforts by the federal government to right a wrong done to black farmers, who, according to the website The Root, owned 15 million acres in 1910 but only 1 million a century later. The lead plaintiff was Timothy Pigford, and the two cases bear his name.

Bachmann and King spoke of the settlement this month while touring flooded portions of the Midwest. Bachmann said, “When money is diverted to inefficient projects, like the Pigford project, where there seems to be proof positive of fraud, we can’t afford $2 billion [her figure] in potentially fraudulent claims when that money can be used to benefit the people along the Mississippi River and the Missouri River.” King, who has compared the settlement to the notion of “modern-day reparations” for African-Americans, said a large part of the settlement had been “paid out in fraudulent claims.”

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There is a racist tone to these statements, with their unsubstantiated accusation of fraud against African-Americans long denied loans and other aid that has been given to whites. As The Root noted in describing the difficulty of getting a settlement, “Black farmers had to show that a white farmer in the same situation had received USDA assistance when it was denied to the blacks. Most black litigants didn’t have the time, money or means to do such research.”

Rep. King, by the way, showed his racist credentials in his defense of the police stops sanctioned by the Arizona immigration law. He said law enforcement could identify and stop a potential illegal immigrant by using “common-sense indicators.”

“Those common-sense indicators are all kinds of things, from what kind of clothes people wear—my suit in my case—what kind of shoes people wear, what kind of accent they have, the type of grooming they might have, there are all kinds of indicators and sometimes it’s just a sixth sense and they can’t put their finger on it,” he said.

Peggy Noonan, a columnist for The Wall Street Journal, has none of the crudeness of Bachmann and King. I doubt she would refer to the African-American beneficiaries of the Agriculture Department settlement as frauds, nor would she praise King for his discourse on how to spot an illegal immigrant. She’s much too refined for that.

Yet they are all on the same track, yearning for an older, more peaceful, blander America, an America where only whites appeared on television, in the movies or in public office, where the president was not Barack Obama.

In discussing the unjust country rhapsodized by her old boss Ronald Reagan, Noonan talks about the “culture” of the new and old Americas.

She writes: “ … everyone over 50 in America feels a certain cultural longing now. They hear the new culture out of the radio, the TV, the billboard, the movie, the talk show. It is so violent, so sexualized, so politicized, so rough. They miss the old America they were born into, 50 to 70 years ago. And they fear, deep down, that this new culture, the one their children live in, isn’t going to make it. Because it is, in essence, an assaultive culture, from the pop music coming out of the rental car radio to the TSA agent with her hands on your kids’ buttocks. We are increasingly strangers here, and we fear for the future.”

While she doesn’t wear a colonial costume or brandish an inflammatory poster, Noonan is expressing, in polite language, the guts of the tea party message.

Part of the tea party’s anger and Noonan’s distress is that we’re not the old America of their dreams.

While the House Republicans say they are representing “The American People,” they actually represent only those who voted for them, in relatively small numbers, in the 2010 midterm elections. When Noonan invokes “the old America” culture, she is referring to a time and way of life shared and longed for by at best a minority of Americans.

What the tea party, the House Republicans and Noonan have in common is something very simple: They believe the United States should not be led by Barack Obama and that we should not accept the change and progress that his election represented. This belief goes beyond arguments over the debt and the deficit. It is deep and irreconcilable. It is the reason why the right won’t compromise.


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By ardee, July 31, 2011 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

THX 1133, July 26 at 4:17 pm

Do you honestly equate the condition of 2011 USA with those of Germany in 1939? Otherwise your entire premise falls apart. The fact remains that we, still, have the power to alter the course of this nation, we have, unlike pre-war Germany once the Nazi’s were elected, the mechanisms in place to change the face of our present political system. They did not.

My words were meant to stir your conscience and your patriotism. Perhaps they were wasted on nonexistent targets. That is not meant to be insulting, only to project real, sincere sadness.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 28, 2011 at 3:53 pm Link to this comment

Lew Ciefer shows his racism yet again.
Calling a Native American “Chief” generically is typical of racists.
What’s next? Calling me “Hebe”?
He’s already calling the President “The Mocha Savior”.

What makes you think YOUR ethnic group and religion are such hot shit, Lew, that you can piss on all the others?

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By TAO Walker, July 27, 2011 at 10:31 am Link to this comment

Lew Ceifer plainly has some virtual ‘axe’ to grind here. It’s still not clear, however,
whether his gripe is with certain behaviors (some of which he obviously abhors,
some he only CONdemns as irresponsible), or only with his unsubstantiated claim
that the workings of “government” (for the militarist aspects of which he disavows
any responsibility, hisown"self”) somehow compel him to “pay” for some of the
behavior he hates.

Meantime, this Old Indian is not in any way responsible for any cognitive
difficulties Lew Ciefer might be suffering that make it difficult for him to grasp the
meanings in plain words.

HokaHey!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 27, 2011 at 9:54 am Link to this comment

By TAO Walker, July 26 at 10:04 pm

So Lew Ciefer’s “apples-and-oranges” argument itself doesn’t
apply.

Wrong again Chief; it does apply. It’s an unequal comparison. Now you’re attempting to equate abortion with collateral damage as the result of State sponsored military action. (For which I am not responsible) The fetus, doesn’t even have a chance to run to cover. And I reiterate: Abortion is a matter of choice by an individual. It, unlike war, is easily avoidable through responsible behavior on the part of at least one of two coiters.

By TAO Walker, July 26 at 10:04 pm

Nor does his apparent equating of “birth control” with “abortion,” no matter how
either is “paid for.

I didn’t equate abortion and birth control except with respect to the insanity of those of the loser dependent class believing that one’s neighbor is somehow financially responsible for their birth control and killing of fetuses so that they might escape the consequences of their irresponsible behavior.

Oh…  I ain’t no CONservative.

By TAO Walker, July 26 at 10:04 pm

only observing that thepublicly-funded (and thus -sanctioned) mass-murder of “innocents,” both pre-and post-natally, is just exactly the kind of damned folly that always comes back to haunt its perpetrators

It really helps the reader when one exerts a little effort in one’s choice and order of words that one uses to relay one’s thoughts. This latest commentary has me thinking… ‘too much peyote.’ I’d call this intellectual rubbish but there’s nothing intellectual about it. It’s just typical liberal rubbish; pervert the meaning of words and cloud issues with unequal comparisons in order to avoid the truth.

HokeyDokey

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By TAO Walker, July 26, 2011 at 10:04 pm Link to this comment

The “Muslim women….” part of Lew Ciefer’s rather bitter-‘sounding’ remarks
seemed so much in-keeping with the rest of it, that the “sarcasm” was
admittedly lost on this Indian.  Anyhow, whatever the “freedom-of-choice”
exercised by those who join the military, Afghan wedding parties slaughtered
by one of those volunteers (“targeting” them with a “hellfire” missile launched
from a “predator” drone aircraft, and all from the safety of some blockhouse in
Nevada) have “no more voice in the matter” of their destruction than any fetus
does, either.  So Lew Ciefer’s “apples-and-oranges” argument itself doesn’t
apply.

Nor does his apparent equating of “birth control” with “abortion,” no matter how
either is “paid for.”  There’s certainly no denying, though, the now nearly
paralyzing CONfusion ‘modern’ people’s “self”-obsession has brought upon
them.

This Old Man, far from “attacking” Lew Ciefer,” was only observing that the
publicly-funded (and thus -sanctioned) mass-murder of “innocents,” both pre-
and post-natally, is just exactly the kind of damned folly that always comes
back to haunt its perpetrators….in the instant ‘case’ that’d be none other than
theallamericanpeople….who, like-it-or-not, ARE “the government.”

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

HokaHey!

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., July 26, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

3, July 25 at 6:41 pm

How to address what I see as selfishness without
meaning to insult?

We are a society, which brings services to the
individual and demands something in return. Your
solution, running away, may serve you as an
individual but leaves all others to solve problems
without you.. That you feel no obligation to your
fellows is sad.
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Interesting; would you accuse the Germans who left
pre-war Germany of running away? Or were they prescient in realizing “the machine” would devour any
and everything in it’s path? Opportunity presented
itself and this one grabbed hold; after 58 years of
fighting the “machine” the futility became obvious.
Denial is an interesting, if insidious, phenomenon
which usually requires an intervention or other
traumatic event to shake one loose from its grip.
You cannot possibly “know” somebody just by what is
posted on some forum; yet the dripping
hubris/pretentiousness evident here is palpable.
Your little Emmerson homily could easily be turned
around; THX, what are you doing out there? Ardee,
what are you still doing in there.
Peace Ardee…

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By Lew Ciefer, July 26, 2011 at 1:43 pm Link to this comment

By TAO Walker, July 25 at 6:06 pm

Maybe a symptom of Lew Ciefer’s “ill health” (from which this Old Indian wishes
him a quick recovery) is a tendency to see, in a cyber-suggestion that he stop
supporting what he finds so offensive, someone “attacking” him…


> Apparently the sarcasm and tongue-in-check part of my ‘Muslim women know their place’ went over your head.

> Comparing abortion and war is an inconsistent comparison; apples and oranges. War is a State action. In the U.S. there is no draft; men and women join of their own volition. Abortion is the choice of an individual and the victim—the fetus—has no voice in the matter. Most abortions are avoidable by responsible behavior on the part of the coiters; the same individuals that now desire that others provide for them a way to escape the consequences of their irresponsible behavior.

> My problems with abortion: In many cases taxpayers are coerced into financing it. It’s a vote buying scheme. Also the justice system in inconsistent with how it views a fetus. If a woman decides to abort the fetus is not a human life. On the other hand, should you have an accident in which a pregnant woman and the fetus both die, you can be charged with a double homicide.

As for taxpayers being coerced to provide means for contraception and abortion—check again.

At least 300 funded between 2009 and 2011 when congressional ban was lifted.
Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/taxpayers-paid-for-d.c.-abortions#ixzz1TB6vtdkv 

On Truthdig just a few weeks ago there was an article decrying cuts in government social aid programs that meant women would have to pay the full price for their birth control pills. Even if taxpayers are no longer liable—which I seriously doubt because, as you’ve seen above, there are almost always loopholes to skirt the intent of the legislation—the truth is that they have been supporting it in the past.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/nh_cuts_off_funding_to_planned_parenthood_20110711/

How about you pay for my whiskey, beer, wine and pot? Let’s throw in some imported cheese to go with the wine. How about the services of a ‘working girl’ to provide some human comfort to an old and lonely man? Where does it end?

“It is not the business of government to make men virtuous or religious, or to preserve the fool from the consequences of his own folly. Government should be repressive no further than is necessary to secure liberty by protecting the equal rights of each from aggression on the part of others, and the moment governmental prohibitions extend beyond this line they are in danger of defeating the very ends they are intended to serve…...” –Henry George

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By ardee, July 26, 2011 at 3:24 am Link to this comment

THX 1133, July 25 at 6:41 pm

How to address what I see as selfishness without meaning to insult?

We are a society, which brings services to the individual and demands something in return. Your solution, running away, may serve you as an individual but leaves all others to solve problems without you.. That you feel no obligation to your fellows is sad.

One day, in Concord township, Ralph Waldo Emerson went for his usual stroll. He encountered, while passing the jail, his good friend and student Henry David Thoreau, behind the barred window. Locked up for refusal to pay taxes to a government that allowed slavery.

“what on earth are you doing in there, Henry?” asked Emerson. Thoreau replied, “what on earth are you doing out there Ralph?”

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By SteveL, July 25, 2011 at 9:39 pm Link to this comment

Which came first Republican Goofery or Fox so called news?  They both feed each other.

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By ardee, July 25 at 2:46 am Link to this comment
THX 1133, July 24 at 5:05 pm

So, the system is the problem and not the way it has
been subverted to represent business over people.
Perhaps you might deign to share with all of us your
alternative to working within the system to fix it.
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Any solutions offered by this person would be deemed
too radical; because it would mean giving up the
opulent lifestyles, credit cards, and the “shiny”.
This one packed up and left, but that isn’t the
answer for everyone, but it does start with a thought
experiment:
What would it take to effect “real” change? How does
one make a genuine break from the present corrupt
system?
The self described “old Indian” has offered, on many
occasions, a viable answer and is roundly ignored by
most and down right disparaged by a few.
The view from here is that people like to talk and
complain, but for whatever reasons are loathe to act.
It then falls from there that supplied answers are
not valued; which leads to the conclusion that people
are disingenuous, lazy, or both. The only other
conclusion would seem to be a complete lack of
imagination…cheers…

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By TAO Walker, July 25, 2011 at 6:06 pm Link to this comment

Maybe a symptom of Lew Ciefer’s “ill health” (from which this Old Indian wishes
him a quick recovery) is a tendency to see, in a cyber-suggestion that he stop
supporting what he finds so offensive, someone “attacking” him.  Maybe
another symptom is reflexively dragging some “red herring,” like Nancy Pelosi
(about whom, Heaven knows, there’s plenty that’s pretty ‘fishy’), into a
discussion in which her ilk may figure ubiquitously, but in which she her"self” is
entirely peripheral to the matter of Muslim women “kept”  in “their place,” for
instance.

As ‘touchy’ as he appears to be, even about subjects he raises his"self,” this Old
Man still wonders how Lew Ciefer feels about all the industrially engineered
post-natal “abortions” being written-off 24/7 as “collateral damage” or “a cost
of doing business” or “(some) god’s will” or any of the many “rational”-izations
the domesticated employ to ‘justify’ and explain (to their own and each other’s
“self”) the depredations of the “civilization” disease.  Or is it just being
compelled to “pay” (which he as much as admits he doesn’t anyhow), for such
things as condoms and pregnancy-terminating medical procedures (which are
nowhere paid-for with tax revenues), that has him so upset?

Lew Ciefer, and all those similarly “self”-afflicted, might try a ‘dose’ of The
Living Virtue of Organic Functional Integrity….as a remedy for even the “self”-
inflicted psycho-emotional difficulties (like free-floating anxiety and “other”-
focused anger) that plague them.

HokaHey!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 25, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

By TAO Walker, July 25 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

It sorta makes you wonder, though, how come, if “(Muslim) women
know….their rightful place,” it is at-all necessary that they be “kept”
there….and by whom, exactly?  If Lew Ciefer is really so outraged about the
things his taxes are buying, shouldn’t he , as an act of CONscience, just quit
paying them?

Many of those here objecting to war and empire and corporate welfare and
“Republican goofery” and etc. and etc. might consider doing that, too.  Sure it’s
a little risky….but somebody’s got to start somewhere, init.

Granted, that kind of active non-action won’t have much appeal among the
we’ll-hold-your-coats-while-you-and-him-fight crowd….present company
excepted, of course.

HokaHey!

I’m about to embark on my 7th decade on this rock and I’m in ill health. How much tax do you think I pay?

But I like your idea. Let’s start with Nancy Pelosi who increased her personal worth 62% from 2009-2010. About $16 million dollars in a time of record unemployment and recession (read depression). As leader of the House she and her fellow dumborats had the power to defund the actions in both Iraq and Afghanistan—both of which I have been against from the start—and did nothing. The Democrats had control of the House, the Senate, and the Executive. The Dim president even ran on an anti-war plank. What was done? Well, like all lying-sons-a-biotches the dims involved the U.S. in two more unexplainable actions to depose Muslim leaders and replace them with who the hell knows what.

Why should any person be made to finance something as atrocious as the killing of a human fetus? Answer that instead of attacking me and then typing Indian stuff you think makes you special.

Hokeypokey

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By TAO Walker, July 25, 2011 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

It sorta makes you wonder, though, how come, if “(Muslim) women
know….their rightful place,” it is at-all necessary that they be “kept”
there….and by whom, exactly?  If Lew Ciefer is really so outraged about the
things his taxes are buying, shouldn’t he , as an act of CONscience, just quit
paying them? 

Many of those here objecting to war and empire and corporate welfare and
“Republican goofery” and etc. and etc. might consider doing that, too.  Sure it’s
a little risky….but somebody’s got to start somewhere, init.

Granted, that kind of active non-action won’t have much appeal among the
we’ll-hold-your-coats-while-you-and-him-fight crowd….present company
excepted, of course.

HokaHey!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 25, 2011 at 7:58 am Link to this comment

@ Leefeller, July 24 at 3:02 pm
A bit on the sexist side Lew, so now you are a Constitutional scholar?
Where does it say in the Constitution women should not be allowed to use or have access to contraceptives?
Where does it say in the Constitution people must have special Identifications to vote, in order to make it harder for a select people of color, college or just moved to vote,... so one party can develop an advantage over the other?  I suppose it says in the Constitution Corporations are people too! What about the separation of church and state, Lew?... The list goes on Lew.
Any way, I believe it says in the Constitution you can keep your M79 grenade launcher Lew!

Actually if you reread my comments you’ll see that I was asking for help.

So if there’s nothing in the Constitution about citizens providing other citizens with contraceptives where is the natural law that you or I have to provide contraceptives for others? As for your sexist accusation I say that it is YOU who are the sexists. Aren’t condoms provided to males? Did I not ask if both shouldn’t be neutered? What is buying women’s votes by giving them special ‘rights’ if not sexism? That’s what abortion is really all about. Killing made legal to appease women and lock in their voting block for lefty politicians. 

The right to bear arms has to do with self-defense. Unlike birth control and fetus-killing, self-defense is a common and natural law. Only commies/socialists believe that a man doesn’t have the right to defend himself.

I was going to ask that same question about corporations. I personally don’t believe corporations should be allowed to exist. Any sane person knows damn well that a corporation isn’t an individual. Unfortunately, I can’t remember ever once in my life hearing anyone accusing Supreme Court judges of being pillars of sanity and righteousness. Aren’t they all lawyers? This is what happens when the State extends different ‘rights’ to different groups, there’s no end to it. There’s always someone wanting someone else to provide for her. Equality of outcome is impossible ... in life ... because in the end the king and the pawn go into the same box, do they not?

Separation of church and state is nothing more than the U.S. not having an official church. The Constitution is about limiting the powers of government. It’s not a document allowing incompetent social workers to dictate every aspect of human life. If you want to have Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama breast feeding you that’s okay with me as long as you pay for the service and stay out of my life because besides not liking breast milk, I don’t much care for domineering women with butts as wide as an Abrams tank. That’s why I’m Muslim. In Islam women know and are kept in their rightful place.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 25, 2011 at 7:55 am Link to this comment

@ SteveL, July 24 at 7:38 pm
The Republicans have been using “hot button” issues for a long time.  After that
they depend on the public having a short attention span.  Once in office they go
off and do other things.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. You’re funny!

Take a look at the Obameter of broken promises. I’d post them but there are several pages.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/293/call-for-repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/

One of my personal favorites is the Botox Queen:

“After years of historic deficits, this 110th Congress will commit itself to a higher standard: Pay as you go, no new deficit spending. ... Our new America will provide unlimited opportunity for future generations, not burden them with mountains of debt.”—Nancy Pelosi

There is only one Party and it marches to the beat of the Ruling Elite.

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By ardee, July 25, 2011 at 2:46 am Link to this comment

THX 1133, July 24 at 5:05 pm

So, the system is the problem and not the way it has been subverted to represent business over people. Perhaps you might deign to share with all of us your alternative to working within the system to fix it.

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By SteveL, July 24, 2011 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

The Republicans have been using “hot button” issues for a long time.  After that
they depend on the public having a short attention span.  Once in office they go
off and do other things.

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By TAO Walker, July 24, 2011 at 6:54 pm Link to this comment

The sensitivities of “SoTexGuy,” around what he calls below the “terribly abused”
“Native American mythos, history and vernacular,” might well be much-
appreciated by those who “self”-identify as “Native Americans.”  As a Turtle
Island Native, though, this Old Indian has no “heritage or affiliation with lost
times and tribes” to make any “public display of.” 

Anyhow, that entirely (and tiresomely) “self”-justifying make-believe CONceit is
actually nothing but part of the terribly abusive allamerican “mythos, history
and vernacular.”  Us surviving Free Wild Peoples here are very much alive-and-
well, thank you….which is a lot more than can be truthfully said about those
among the losing-their-grip occupying forces who probably wish to hell we all
had just got-“lost.” 

So don’t cry for us, mi Amigo.

HokaHey!

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By ardee, July 24 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment
Of course it isn’t; the dems, repubs, and 99% of the
U.S. population are certifiable.

Oh, THX 1133 these ARE your words, are they not? Do
they disparage the electorate or do they not? You
have posted similar insults in other threads before
and thus I am surprised that you seek to wriggle out
from under them now.
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No wiggle here. What ever are you talking about? Yes,
I said and stand by my words. I might be willing to
say 95% though; down a bit from 99%.
I’m afraid one cannot fix a problem one does not
understand and those working within the system are
the problem.
Tennessee Williams put it quite well;
We are all children in a vast kindergarden trying to
spell God’s name with the wrong alphabet blocks.
– Tennessee Williams, “Suddenly Last Summer”

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By SoTexGuy, July 24 at 11:27 am Link to this comment
Native American mythos, history and vernacular is
terribly abused and misused. So much so that I blame
no-one for a less than sanguine view of those who
make a public display of a heritage or affiliation
with those lost times and tribes.

Adios amigos.
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Yes, but then we moderns haven’t haven’t been the
brightest of bulbs and would do well to learn from
cultures thousands of years older than our somewhat
confused version of culture (shudder). Cheers.

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By ocjim, July 24, 2011 at 4:27 pm Link to this comment

The reasons the right won’t compromise are several. First of all, the voters haven’t made Republicans pay for hamstringing Congress for some 20-30 years. Inattentiveness and ignorance in voting only helps to encourage the inflexibility and obstructionism of miscreant Republicans. Secondly, rich corporate donors thru organizations like ALEC, for example, Koch industries, pay politicians for promoting an inflexibility that only promotes corporate plans. Lastly, the neo-conservative think tanks have continuing plans of polarization, singleminded tax cuts and small government, which are achieved by obstructing all progress until they can chip away government.

The weak-kneed Democrats and ignorant voters only help to prolong this process. The latter assured a do-nothing Congress that has broken records in its lack of achievement and its demagoguery.

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By ardee, July 24, 2011 at 4:06 pm Link to this comment

Of course it isn’t; the dems, repubs, and 99% of the U.S. population are certifiable.

Oh, THX 1133 these ARE your words, are they not? Do they disparage the electorate or do they not? You have posted similar insults in other threads before and thus I am surprised that you seek to wriggle out from under them now.

As to my comparison of the posts of you and Hokum, that angst ridden teenager living above his mother’s garage, neither of you reacts well to criticism apparently.

If we come here to seek ways to make changes then I stand by my words that your positions are counter productive. Insulting the majority seems a rather peculiar way to enlist them in our struggle.

I am currently a part of a voter registration drive here in the California Central Valley. Experience has shown me that the majority republican population ( the white ones anyway) will react unfavorably to our seeking Green Party registrants, though we will accept registrations for any party.

If I choose your path and call them certifiable I doubt I will acquire many such registrations. Perhaps, if I listen and point out flaws or nonfactual assumptions I may just plant a seed of doubt. Your style leaves no such doubt, nor win any converts either.

You say I was formerly more tolerant of others opinions. You are refuting the obvious and I have STILL been polite enough I think. What you are objecting to is your own words being thrown back at you. That I cannot help.

I have less tolerance for the haters, phoneys and frauds that stalk these threads, those that attempt to sidetrack necessary conversations for reasons of their own. I have not included you within this category, only objected to your clearly stated contempt for our fellow citizens.

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By ardee, July 24 at 4:32 am Link to this comment
THX 1133, July 23 at 8:09 pm

Why do you continue to deny the obvious here? You do
indeed disparage the electorate and spend little time
on the obvious and necessary targets. Then, when I
post the truth about your comments you get angry. If
a recapping of your words angers you perhaps you
might reconsider your own words.

I’ve no doubt that you are an ally of Hokum-Hay at
least in the inability to take responsibility for the
stuff you post.
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The only anger expressed here is, sadly, yours. True
action can only occur when one sees with clarity and
understands ones true position in this make believe
world we’ve constructed out of our own delusions and
paranoia.
The tag team members here are lost in believing they
are the owners of this forum rather than guests
riding the coat-tails of the various authors and
their myriad opinions/ideas of what’s wrong with the
world/country/society; all the while missing the
force for the trees, so-to-speak.
Your accusation (itself bemusing) of me being an ally
of TAO Walker smacks of some form of desperation and
you further fail to address anything I said to you.
Your defensiveness is oddly misplaced under the
circumstances.
I do speak only for myself; but find value in the
comments by TAO Walker.
This forum at times sounds like a disparate echo
chamber of lost souls, which seems to accurately
reflect society at large.
Peace…

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By Leefeller, July 24, 2011 at 3:02 pm Link to this comment

A bit on the sexist side Lew, so now you are a Constitutional scholar?

Where does it say in the Constitution women should not be allowed to use or have access to contraceptives?

Where does it say in the Constitution people must have special Identifications to vote, in order to make it harder for a select people of color, college or just moved to vote,... so one party can develop an advantage over the other?  I suppose it says in the Constitution Corporations are people too! What about the separation of church and state, Lew?... The list goes on Lew.

Any way, I believe it says in the Constitution you can keep your M79 grenade launcher Lew!

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By Lew Ciefer, July 24, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment

To all of those voicing concern with the TEA party’s hypocrisy with respect to the Constitution ... Please help me out here.

Where in the Constitution does it say that it is the Government’s responsibility to coerce funds from one citizen in order to provide a 2nd citizen with contraceptives so that said 2nd citizen can experience coitus without worry? While you’re at it please copy and paste here on this thread the part where it states that should the 2nd citizen fail to take those Government provided contraceptives due to some form of irresponsible behavior on the part of said coiter that it is then the Government’s responsibility to coerce more funds out of the pocket of a totally innocent party—the American worker—to provide the 2nd citizen, the female coiter, with a medical team, medicines and facilities to murder the fetus that resulted from the irresponsible coitus of the coiters.

If citizens have the right to worry-free sex and murder of fetuses shouldn’t those that are coerced by the State to provide said services, medicines, physicians, and facilities have a ‘right’ to have said irresponsible coiters neutered so as to safeguard society from more irresponsible behavior?

The Left voicing concern about the breaching of the Constitution ... now that’s funny. What’s next? You’re going to declare yourselves anti-war while demanding more government debt and spending so that Hillary’s War doesn’t lose any funding?

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By berniem, July 24, 2011 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

Hey, anybody know how to get hold of Barbara Ann? She sure is a hottie, even with the fanny pack!

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By SoTexGuy, July 24, 2011 at 11:27 am Link to this comment

Native American mythos, history and vernacular is terribly abused and misused. So much so that I blame no-one for a less than sanguine view of those who make a public display of a heritage or affiliation with those lost times and tribes.

Adios amigos.

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By elisalouisa, July 24, 2011 at 8:40 am Link to this comment

“What the tea party, the House Republicans and Noonan have in common is something very simple: They believe the United States should not be led by Barack Obama and that we should not accept the change and progress that his election represented.”

Obama didn’t believe in the change and progress his election represented either. He never followed through.

Lew Ciefer: “The U.S. is involved in two additional military actions to depose Muslim leaders, Afghanistan and Iraq are still going strong, Guantanamo is still
operating and Obuma hissef ordered that rendition continue. The size of government still increases at an alarming rate, as well as unemployment. The American worker is still held financially responsible for Wall Street criminality while the ‘justice’ department turns a blind eye. A Democrat administration is attempting to raise taxes on the working man’s labor under the ruse of taxing the rich and corporations and the economy is still in the tank. Disproportionate distribution of the nation’s wealth to the Power Elite continues unabated and ...
the president of the U.S. is still the biggest liar and deceiver in the land.”

Worth repeating Lew Ciefer. I can’t say that Obama is the biggest liar and deceiver in the land but he’s right up there, having perfected the art of deception. On that note, would Obama really nominate, as some have suggested on these forums, a candidate to the Supreme Court whose concerns are with the people? If the past is any indication I would say not. The power/elite shall decide who the next candidate to the Supreme Court will be and (assuming Obama’s reelection) the puppet will follow through as will the Senate. I was bamboozled in 2008, voting for Obama. He won’t get my vote in 2012.

Yes, I too am fearful of the future, for more than one reason.

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By TAO Walker, July 24, 2011 at 7:01 am Link to this comment

If the sophomoronic “hokum-hay” remark from “ardee,” couched within a
comment ostensibly directed below to “THX 1133,” is a reference to this Old
Savage, which on the motorcycle man’s previous ‘record’ here it likely is, here
are a couple of ‘grains-of-salt’ with which to take it.  First, “THX 1133,” while
offering observations here that sometimes parallel those of Yours Truly, does
so entirely on his/her own explicitly-acknowledged recognizance.  This is in
marked CONtrast to “ardee” hisown"self,” who regularly appears to coordinate
his gratuitous verbal virtual ‘assaults’ with those of some others who’re for
some ‘reason’ also obsessed with this Person’s accurate (if often apparently to
them insufficiently flattering) descriptions of the condition their CONdition is
in….with the actual substance of which none of ‘em ever takes actual issue, but
only with ‘style,’ and the ‘straw-man’ simulacra they erect only to virtually
‘demolish,’ in strange displays of neotenous immaturity. 

Second, this Old Indian has never refused to ‘own’ any semantic formulations
actually offered here.  It is the made-up stuff “ardee” and his ad hoc tag-team
cohorts put, dishonestly, into the virtual ‘mouth’ of their own fabricated “TAO
Walker” effigies (a ‘tactic’ “ardee” is presently deploying disingenuously against
yet another participant here), which is disavowed.

To get a much-needed grip on reality, though, these chronically delinquent
“dys-cuss”-ers will first have to get-over their too-precious “self”....perhaps
too tall an order for people so obviously so completely “self”-absorbed.

HokaHey!

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By sloggybay, July 24, 2011 at 6:10 am Link to this comment
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The Tea Party hardly concerns me at all, as long as we
have fake Democrats (like Obama) running things, we are
screwed.
Obama’s name has become synonymous with “No Hope For
Change”. He is the latest purchase prize of AIPAC.
As long as Congressmen have to sign a Pledge of
Allegiance to the State of Israel upon accepting their
congressional duties, once again…We’re
Screwed…Boggs

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By ardee, July 24, 2011 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

THX 1133, July 23 at 8:09 pm

Why do you continue to deny the obvious here? You do indeed disparage the electorate and spend little time on the obvious and necessary targets. Then, when I post the truth about your comments you get angry. If a recapping of your words angers you perhaps you might reconsider your own words.

I’ve no doubt that you are an ally of Hokum-Hay at least in the inability to take responsibility for the stuff you post.

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By SoTexGuy, July 24, 2011 at 4:06 am Link to this comment

As I sometimes do, I carefully read through the comments to a TD Report.. This time, EmileZ especially made the effort pay off.

Adios.

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By screamingpalm, July 24, 2011 at 3:42 am Link to this comment

Well, to the Right’s credit, at least they never blamed Ron Paul for Obama winning in 2008. wink

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By Leefeller, July 24, 2011 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

Spooky says;

“America was built on ideas different from yours, so it is not exactly a startling thing, that some people actually support paying off their debt and balancing their budget.”

Maybe I missed it, but I have not seen anything about ending the wars and cutting the military spending from the Tea Bags or the Republicans well until recently, but I did see the Republicans and Tea party on board the Ryan plan to cut Medicare and pointing at Social Security, of course they singed a contrast not to raise taxes for the job makers.

How does getting rid of Unions fit into the picture, guess by making it harder for voters to vote?

Nothing about jobs,... oh yeah, the job maker Creators and the trickle downers,  like the Koch Brothers as we have their choreographed effectiveness in Wisconsin.

Spooky s list has some nice ideas,... like cutting taxes, must really be a biggie for the unemployed and under employed.  Did Tea Party come up with this all by itself,... or did they have some help from ALEC and the Koch Brothers and Fox News?

Abide by the Constitution, so now the Koch Brothers are Constitutional scholars? Thanks to the Supremos interpreting the Constitution, making it so Corporations are people too, sounds abiding to the Constitution to me! How does the separation of state and religion fit into the Tea Party Constitution?

I like where it is all going,  it seems Bochman should be wearing the Wonder Women outfit and then we can have Superman disguised as Gov Perry from Texas giving it up the rear.

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By Spooky-43, July 24, 2011 at 2:29 am Link to this comment

Tea Party Platform.

1. Reduce Taxes
2. Eliminate the National Debt
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending
4. Protect Free Markets
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States
6. Promote Civic Responsibility
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government
8. Believe in the People
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
10. Maintain Local Independence

Pretty scary list, heh? 

There is a problem when you can’t identify established, legitimate long term political issues from extremism or racism.

The only reason you think this is extremism or racism is because your master brain washers have you convinced it is, and that is only because it is different from their beliefs and platforms. 

America was built on ideas different from yours, so it is not exactly a startling thing, that some people actually support paying off their debt and balancing their budget.

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By TheBottomLine, July 24 at 1:18 am

“But actually it all makes sense if you consider them as an expression of sublimated racism”

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Your fixation on racism borders on a mental condition.

Sorry, you weren’t involved in the origination of the Tea Party movement, and don’t have a clue. 

In New Hampshire, we were talking of staging another tea party as early as 2006.  It was purely based on economics, and tea party symbolism came up due to its attachment to “taxation without representation”  The whole thing was a reaction to growing debt based on middle east war and other government policies.

Though there was no national event, ‘tea party’ became part of our ‘pay off the debt and balance the budget rhetoric’ at least locally.

When Ron Paul started to look into a presidential bid, Trevor Lyman had the idea of tea party money bomb, to raise funds for Ron Paul, this would have been in 2007.

Growing disgust with Bush and his growing deficits, came up with the idea of sending tea bags to the white house at the time of Obama’s inauguration to give him the message that a significant number of citizens wanted some fiscal responsibility in government. 

This was in January of 2009, and was participated in even by some who voted for Obama.  It was never a right wing extremist effort, but included a wide spectrum of ‘patriots’ who wanted fiscal responsibility. 

It has never, ever had any racial overtones.  That is a total fabrication of those who do not share the ideas of fiscal responsibility.  The true Tea Party continues to be a grass roots movement based almost exclusively on fiscal issues.

There are no extremist views on the platform.  Paying off the debt and balancing the budget is a legitimate, long term mainline platform item. 

Just because you don’t agree with an idea does not make it extremist.  This is where you people show your ignorance or your blind partisanship.  You brand legitimate political ideas as extreme or racist just because you don’t agree with them.  But it is becoming way to obvious and tiresome. 

Now, this is not to say that there are not a few quacks that get involved with any movement.  Even rock groups have their weirdo followers.  Not much you can do about those types.  I have been to some leftist activities, and they are certainly burdened by their own share of weirdos as well.

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By TheBottomLine, July 24, 2011 at 1:18 am Link to this comment

Ok, it’s about time we admit where all these “tea party” political notions come from.
These people didn’t care about Bush’s throwing the government into deficits with huge tax cuts for wealthy people who didn’t need them nor used them to “create jobs”. They didn’t care that he started two wars that he no intention of paying for. They didn’t care about the lax regulation enforcement of the financial industry that led to the banking disaster of 2008.
Only when Obama took office did concern about these issues surface. Also suddenly appearing were broad concerns about government power(Patriot Act and military activities excepted)and freedoms being taken away. At the same time they defended low tax rates on the wealthy that probably don’t even apply to them.
This all appears inconsistent, irrational,and “goofy”.
But actually it all makes sense if you consider them as an expression of sublimated racism. America didn’t suddenly become a “color blind” society in November 2008. America voted Barack Obama to the presidency because it was rightly scared and Obama said the right things.
A little less than half of voters voted for the other guy. When they saw a black man sworn in as president they were horrified. But they had no socially acceptable way to express this horror. Instead they identified with policies(both real and imagined) that they could use to channel their bigotry and demonize Obama.
Powerful political interests have been working on reversing New Deal policies for decades. They were more than happy to supply the issues with which people could use to express this repressed racism.
That’s why the “tea party” issues sound goofy. The issues don’t really matter as much as their hatred of “President Black Man”.

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By ardee, July 23 at 5:41 pm
From your constant barrage of insults directed
against our fellow citizens, that’s how. If we are to
work towards reforming our Republic, ridding it of
the corporate rule, then we NEED those you so
dismissively disparage.
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You’ve grown quick to name call/disparage your fellow
posters.
You have assumed but cannot know what a poster
necessarily means by what he/she post without asking
if in fact that is what they intend.
In a democracy one cannot blame the elected officials
for their actions; for if those actions go against
the constituency then it is the duty of the
constituents to hold their elected reps responsible
for their actions.
What is all too apparent is the disregard by the
elected for the will of the people.
Where are all of these people? For what reason have
they allowed things to devolve into chaos? What is
the reason the “people” haven’t demanded
justice/recompense for these gross violations?
I’m afraid I’m with TAO on the CONdition of the
country/society and agree it’s all going down.
That is my considered opinion and before you assume
things and start with the name calling; why don’t you
ask a few simple questions to see if your
understanding is correct.
The Ardee I remember was far more tolerant of others
opinions. Cheers…

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By behopi, July 23, 2011 at 7:50 pm Link to this comment
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Testing!

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By ardee, July 23 at 6:39 am

I wish you understood that the ennui, elitism and despair you spread are not at all helpful in bringing change.
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How, in heavens name, did you get that from what I wrote?

From your constant barrage of insults directed against our fellow citizens, that’s how. If we are to work towards reforming our Republic, ridding it of the corporate rule, then we NEED those you so dismissively disparage.

If you have another road in mind well, we still will need them, if only as cannon fodder. But that’s the way every damn communist revolution went sour, through that sort of elitist thinking, we are superior to them. We ain’t we ARE them.

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By ardee, July 23, 2011 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

What’s wrong with that? I long for the America of my childhood too. It hasn’t a goddamned thing to do with race.

Followed by:

The U.S. should never be led by any Wall Street bootblack.

Yeah, and, as to the rest of the two post driveling blather that is Tea Party central I say, Fuck You Lew.

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By James Campbell, July 23, 2011 at 4:49 pm Link to this comment

Tea-partiers really are wrongheaded.  I wonder what they’ll be saying six months after the cuts, if they get them, when we’re deep in a depression.  Face it, they’re idiots.

Noonan is wrong - I’m over 50 and I seem to remember things being pretty dicey and violent in the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s, so not EVERYBODY pines for those good old days.

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By gerard, July 23, 2011 at 1:51 pm Link to this comment

Millions of Americans see Tea Party goals and tactics as anti-democratic and unConstitutional, far removed from political wisdom and statesmanship.
“Goofy” is hardly an accurate word for deliberate destruction of equal rights and justice.

In order to hide the deeply destructive nature of attacks on the Constitution, it is necessary to mask such goals and tactics by shrouding them in false patriotism, scare tactics, and harking back to imaginary past glories.

The yawning emptiness of such attacks can only be filled by creative counter-action and an undying faith in “the art of the possible.”

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By prthatrocksdotcom, July 23, 2011 at 1:36 pm Link to this comment

Taking into account how people are so easily distracted when celebrities off
themselves, I am wondering if Amy Winehouse’s death was a hit orchestrated
and perpetuated by Neoconservative Right Wingers and Rupert Murdoch’s
empire to take society’s attention off the Right Wing death spiral, from the
Newscorp scandals, the racism-driven Rethuglican Debt Ceiling hostage crisis
and subsequent breakdown in negotiations that’s about to sink the world
economy, TEA (Treasonist Egregious Assholes) Bagger craziness that only exists
and is funded by the Koch Brothers to undermine the progressive plans and
successes of the first African-American president, the absolutely insane Right
Wing Creationist ‘let’s pray the gay away’ presidential candidate Clown Parade,
and the fact that the Norwegian terrorist was ANOTHER CHILD-SLAUGHTERING
RIGHT WING NUT JOB, on par with Timothy McVeigh!

Who the hell in their right mind would be proud to be, or associate themselves
willingly with the, Right Wing?!

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By GW=MCHammered, July 23, 2011 at 11:23 am Link to this comment
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Hey, GOP! Wanna serve The People and save more than
$400 billion per year? Follow the doctors orders:

http://www.pnhp.org

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By Lew Ciefer, July 23, 2011 at 11:22 am Link to this comment

2.

Bill Boyarsky

”Yet they are all on the same track, yearning for an older, more peaceful, blander America, an America where only whites appeared on television, in the movies or in public office, where the president was not Barack Obama.”

Are they? And the evidence for that ‘unsubstantiated’ claim?

I’m of that same generation and long for a more peaceful America too. I remember blacks on the T.V. and in the movies. Perhaps Boyarsky’s claim applies to the ‘All Lenin, All The Time’ channel. Any thinking of the U.S. beyond the past three years would be without the mulatto messiah as president. Can it be that they’re longing for a time when America was much freer nation guided by more capable men and not an oppressive multiculturalist, politically correct police state run by incompetent social-workers?

Television was in it’s infancy in the years we (baby boomers) long for so that would have been the ‘Greatest Generation’ that was responsible for whatever discrimination existed in Television and Hollywood back then. Most of us were still longing for a Red Ryder air rifle, not running television and the film industry. What generation is responsible for demanding change from the way things were ... the 60s revolution mean anything?

Bill Boyarsky

” While she doesn’t wear a colonial costume or brandish an inflammatory poster, Noonan is expressing, in polite language, the guts of the tea party message. Part of the tea party’s anger and Noonan’s distress is that we’re not the old America of their dreams.”

What’s wrong with that? I long for the America of my childhood too. It hasn’t a goddamned thing to do with race. The old America, while not perfect, was one helluva lot better than the Socialist police state that exists today. How can Boyarsky possibly know what fires their anger? Is he a psychic?

Bill Boyarsky

”What the tea party, the House Republicans and Noonan have in common is something very simple: They believe the United States should not be led by Barack Obama and that we should not accept the change and progress that his election represented.”

The U.S. should never be led by any Wall Street bootblack. 

I agree with them on that point and I’m neither Republican nor Democrat. It hasn’t anything to do with race and Boyarsky errs by combining the Tea Party and the House Republicans because most of the House Republicans hate the Tea Party and are working hand in hand with Democrats to marginalize their few members in Congress.

What change and progress?

The U.S. is involved in two additional military actions to depose Muslim leaders, Afghanistan and Iraq are still going strong, Guantanamo is still operating and Obuma hissef ordered that rendition continue. The size of government still increases at an alarming rate, as well as unemployment. The American worker is still held financially responsible for Wall Street criminality while the ‘justice’ department turns a blind eye. A Democrat administration is attempting to raise taxes on the working man’s labor under the ruse of taxing the rich and corporations and the economy is still in the tank. Disproportionate distribution of the nation’s wealth to the Power Elite continues unabated and ... the president of the U.S. is still the biggest liar and deceiver in the land.

That’s not change, that’s maintaining of the status quo by the status ho.

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By Lew Ciefer, July 23, 2011 at 11:20 am Link to this comment

1.

Rubbish.

Bill Boyarsky

”There is a deep-rooted wrongheadedness about the Republicans as they drag the country toward fiscal disaster.”

The fact is that the Great Panjandrum in his first 19 months added more to the national debt than all the presidents from Washington to Reagan. In 19 months Obuma increased the national debt more than 2.5 trillion dollars. In fiscal 2008, the Village Idiot’s administration ran a deficit of 458 billion dollars while the Obuma administration’s accumulative deficits for just four months, May-August (2010), were 464 billion dollars and discretionary spending has increased 84% in the past three years.

For the past 78 years, from Roosevelt to Obama, the Republicans have had only six years majority control of the passage of legislation while, contrarily, the Democrats have had that privilege for thirty-four years. Yet somehow it’s the Republicans dragging the country toward fiscal disaster.

The Republicans and Democrats are simply two sides of the same coin in Wall Street’s pocket.

Bill Boyarsky

”There is a racist tone to these statements, with their unsubstantiated accusation of fraud against African-Americans long denied loans and other aid that has been given to whites.”


No, I can’t believe it! An America-hating intellectual labeling non-commie/socialist whites racists! What is the world coming to? I will admit though that discrimination isn’t anything to take lightly. I suggest that the entire top-level management of the USDA be sent to Israel and learn all about ‘racial equality’ by studying the Israeli method of non-discriminatory lending to Palestinians.

Unsubstantiated accusations? How about this for unsubstantiated: The USDA kept denied applications on file for three years only. That’s significant because there’s no paper trail to verify claims. According to sworn testimony by John Boyd, President of the National Black Farmers Association, there are 18,000 black farmers and by September 2010 some 94,000 claims had been filed; almost all of them impossible to ‘substantiate.’ 

We’ll never know about the validity of the accusations of husbands and wives filing separate apps in order to receive double compensation or the cases of children being used as applicants because of the Obuma ‘justice’ department.

This diatribe has little or nothing to do with any supposed and mostly ‘unsubstantiated’ discriminatory practices by the USDA and everything to do with Democrat block-vote locking and buying for 2012.

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By litlpeep, July 23, 2011 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Noonan was almost correct, but she derailed the truth of her assertion with cheap distractions: “Because it is, in essence, an assaultive culture,...”

Yes, it is an “assaultive” culture, brought to us by Madison Avenue & Wall Street, and led by the Republican Party’s lock-step pro-corporate pork, subsidies, and corporate-welfare, no-taxes-for-the-wealthy policies, and signed onto by a majority of capitulating Democrats.

Boyarsky can do better than just showing the feathers of that R party bird.  He can also reveal the stench filling its insides.  He can, that is, when he slows down and makes the effort.  The racist core of their cultural beliefs is only one part, an essential part of that stench, to be sure.  But the core of the racism is that it is a smoke screen for denying the class warfare the Republican Party assualts the US with; alongside that core is a compliant Democratic Party with no core principles whatsoever, beyond, “let’s not look as ugly as they are happy to look.”

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By ardee, July 23 at 6:39 am

I wish you understood that the ennui, elitism and
despair you spread are not at all helpful in bringing
change.
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How, in heavens name, did you get that from what I
wrote?

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By ardee, July 23, 2011 at 6:39 am Link to this comment

Hey Ardee; nah, I don’t judge the majority by the few wing-nuts; I judge based on the majority allowing the
minority to rule (badly) and the majority acting like
impotent wimps. Or, not acting at all. Cheers.

Hey,THX 1133; I do not judge our electorate quite so harshly for not being political animals such as ourselves. Instead I understand the focus on career, family, the pressures of modern life and, importantly, the brainwashing and fear mongering that forces me to redouble my small efforts to spread truth and engage my neighbors.

I wish you understood that the ennui, elitism and despair you spread are not at all helpful in bringing change.

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By dago t, July 23, 2011 at 4:56 am Link to this comment
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Noonan is a slunt. Always has been. Always will be.


OOPS! Did I type slunt??? I meant “effective writer.”

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By PatrickHenry, July 23, 2011 at 4:56 am Link to this comment

Crazy people have the right to vote too.

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By DaveZx3, July 23, 2011 at 12:57 am Link to this comment

The people are turned into fools, expending extreme amounts of energy fighting to get some precious advantage within this contrived two party system, as though the exposing, belittling, devaluing and literally beating up of the “enemy” is a legitimate, honorable method of proceeding within this obscene struggle for advantage against your neighbor. 

The people are all deceived thoroughly by this system, it’s only purpose being to deflect their anger away from the real enemy by presenting the contrived opponent parties as the acceptable objects of hatred.

The absurdity of this picture of ‘wonder woman’ including the absurdity of selecting it as a ‘goofy’ representation of the people attending, as though those seeing it are really stupid enough to be swayed by this, (though they actually are) is exceeded only by the blatant obviousness of the article as a tool of division. 

You really do have to be a complete idiot to be fooled by all of this “two partyism” as though it is a valid thing to be involved in.  But apparently, by the comments, most are fooled. 

And the constant struggling to save the republic, which any intelligent system could easily and quickly accomplish with little fanfare or carrying on such as this, is further evidence for the fact of it’s contrived nature.

It’s fake you idiots.  You are about as effective as a hampster on a treadmill.

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THX 1133, July 21 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment


Republican Goofery Isn’t Limited to the Tea Party

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Of course it isn’t; the dems, repubs, and 99% of the
U.S. population are certifiable.

A rose by any other name, apparently..Nice insight
excepting for discounting far too many of our fellow
citizens. Don’t judge the majority by the extremism
of the vocal minority.
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Hey Ardee; nah, I don’t judge the majority by the few wing-nuts; I judge based on the majority allowing the
minority to rule (badly) and the majority acting like
impotent wimps. Or, not acting at all. Cheers.

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By Geo Washington, July 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm Link to this comment
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The debt is the blame by both parties. So don’t thinks it is the so-called Tea Party. If it were up to me I would close almost all of the Federal Agencies. 
Then I would arrest criminals that caused the Financial Disaster which by the way was the left. When Bill [I had no sex]Clinton betrayed the America when he signed the bill that basically caused the debacle.  The “Glass–Steagall Act,” and then if that was not enough he signed the law to effectively take away from the states the right to regulate “Derivatives.”  That my friends was and is the cause of this calamity.

Also while we are wagging the dog let us not forget what the liberals did not do as per his promise.
Senator Obama is just another scam that is controlled by the money powers.

So there is not really a left or a right there is just stupidity.  Which is what I mostly read in these threads.  Idiocracy!

It’s the WARS stupid.

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By Diogenes the Dog, July 22, 2011 at 6:05 pm Link to this comment

There’s been some really great comments on this thread, and there’s nothing I could add that hasn’t already been said, so I’ll just chime in with a request: Please, please, please take that photo down! I’m gonna lose my dinner, my lunch, and my breakfast.

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Ardee

Thank you. Now for those who may want to do something more than just blater on a blog..

I appreciate the information and I may look into your group. But I have been working in the Green Party for the last three years, we are ramping up our pre-election voter registration drive, here in the Republican heart of the Central Valley of California.

No blathering at all.

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By poodfreemon, July 22, 2011 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment
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Bill Boyarsky said all he needed to say in his first sentence: “There is a deep-rooted wrongheadedness about the Republicans…” Ultimately, five hundred or a thousand years from now, the human race will have further distanced itself from the Republican cesspool of racism and white supremacy. Make no mistake: the messages coming out of the mouths of people like Republicans Michele Bachmann and Steve King are firmly rooted in white supremacy.

I am 64. I don’t miss the 1950s. I am thankful that I came of age in the Sixties. That action was a socio-political revolution that scared the crap out of the white-supremacist Republicans from top to bottom.

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By REED RICHARDS, July 22, 2011 at 4:04 pm Link to this comment
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dino zora,

While I am no fan of millionaires and billionaires, the solution does not lie in taxing them alone, or even in large part although the payroll tax should have been long raised on their incomes.  Where the solution lies is for people to get unbridled greed out of their heads and restore an economy of production and rid themselves of the current economy of consumption, which is now in play…........


By dino zora, July 21 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment


Disclosure- Over 50- I do not long for the days of limits and subordination for women-but I do miss the pride of producing necessities for the world in my home town- or feeling science could save us- the future was ours- (the populace).  There is not much nuance in this article.  Today- No production, no pride, no science, no jobs, no heart, no compassion- I understand some of the issues- that does not make me a Tea Partier.  The difference is who I blame- finance capital and their minions- and what might be the solution- Tax the Billionaires.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, July 22, 2011 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

Ardee

Thank you. Now for those who may want to do something more than just blater on a blog..

New Progressive Alliance
newprogs.org

or

October2011.org

or

Anonymous The Plan
You Tube version

Quick complaining and join the resistance

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By ghostcommander, July 22, 2011 at 3:54 pm Link to this comment

The reason the radical extremist republicans deny their miserable failures and don’t compromise is this:
Hitler:
“Propaganda…does not have to seek objectivity for the truth so far as it favors an opponent…but exclusively has to serve our interests. It must adopt every device of slander that ingenuity can suggest.”

“Whenever our propaganda permits for a single moment the shimmer of an appearance of truth on the other side, it has laid a foundation for doubt in the right of our cause…”

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By TAO Walker, July 22, 2011 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

It’s fairly obvious (because it reflects the everyday manifestations of ‘gravity’)
that those with the furthest to fall, when the jury-rigged house-of-marked-
cards called the eCONomy collapses (as it’s doing right now), are going to hit-
bottom the hardest….though they will appear to remain “airborne” the longest
(thus ‘enjoying,’ maybe, the illusion of ‘buoyancy’ just a bit longer, too).  Those
in the “middle” tiers of the privateering pyramid-scheme, though, are already
in full free-fall, even as they gasp in fear/anger/disbelief at the sudden gut-
wrenching drop in their ‘sacred’ fortunes.

What’s happening has nothing whatsoever to do with anybody’s “liberal” (or
other sorts of ‘mind-sets’), however.  Nor is it at-all contingent on how
“decent” (or otherwise) any’one’ is or has been. 

This to-many terrifying plunge in both their own immediate and their off-
springs’ prospective material circumstances is the natural and inevitable
CONsequence of the terminal stage of the “civilization” disease process. 
‘Things’ have come to this awful pass, moreover, in no small measure because
of the severe ORGANic dysfunction of the virtual subspecies homo domesticus,
of which todays terror-stricken two-leggeds are all ‘card-carrying’ members. 
Tricked by the wannabe parasitic retro-viral tormenting entity into subsuming
the Natural Person we are in the alien and sickening miasma of a “self” it held-
out as an “improvement” on their Natural State, our tame Sisters and Brothers
have long neglected their real Human Responsibility (as a component of Her
immune system in The Whole Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth) for the
vain pursuit of the Harpy of “happiness,” and the “self”-indulgent “exercise” of
their only-make-believe-anyway “human rights.”

So The Whole Living Arrangement upon which they are all still completely
dependent for every breath of Air, drop of Water, bite of Food, stitch of
Clothing, and haven of Shelter, and which our Free Wild Ancestors were, and
their surviving Free Wild descendants are yet given freely as support for our
fulfillment of our Human Responsibility, is no longer accessible to either the
“individual” or the muddled masses of them, except through the
“money”/“power” machinations of the CON-TRAPtion that is the eCONomy they
all bow so abjectly before…. a “false idol” which is already badly broke-down
and rapidly disintegrating altogether.

As for The Good Old Days, the first of them are already come-‘round
again….and not from a mere forty or fifty years back, but from as many
thousands of them, and more.

HokaHey!

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By jaygee, July 22, 2011 at 1:39 pm Link to this comment

As an “over 50” and definitely not conservative, I feel there is a bigger point being missed here.  I can agree with Noonan (this time) that there is an anxiety today for us “over 50’s”, but not for a utopian yesterday.  It is a real fear that tomorrow just keeps getting worse. America was for my parents as well as many of their age not a perfect place, but with the potential to make corrections an optimistic work in progress.  the civil rights movements proved that the majority of people still had the decency to fight injustice for themselves and others.  it seemed that ultimately, we cherished both our natural resources and human, and celebrated our brightest dreamers while also taking care of our weak.  Not perfect, but there was always the belief that the next generation could continue the process.  Today reality shows celebrate winning at all cost, and playing by the rules makes you a chump.The information age bombards us with as many lies as truths, resulting in an glazing over of crimes and human suffering while rewriting history and scientific fact. We are living in a world that now yawns at pedophile priests, insolvant countries and pre-pubescant “sexters.” Where hedgefunds destroy countries and pensions to produce billionaires who produce nothing,and teachers and firemen are villanized for greed.  We live in a world where unwed teen mother Bristol Palin made $250,000 speaking about abstinence. Global Corporations hold governments subservient, and elected officials pimp for them legislatively while stealing from veterans and schoolchildren.  No one I know, from those who are swimming in money to those who are drowning in underwater homes, believes they are better off than their parents, or have a clue to the kind of world their kids will live in 20 years from now.  We are middle class, educated, liberal minded and I think decent people.  It doesn’t matter, because tomorrow is not in our control, and in today’s America we live by luck only. I am nostalgic for last year, last decade, even the grotesque 80’s.  I cannot however, think about the future without fear.

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By alturn, July 22, 2011 at 12:27 pm Link to this comment

It is no different than any bad habit.  You will live with it until it starts doing so much damage that your life is in danger.  Then you see a doctor who gets you to accept giving up the habit and living a more healthy life.

The gift hard-liners on the right are giving is in bringing their long simmering bad economic and political policies to a head.  Their intransigence will ultimately lead to the rejection of the poison of outworn individualism, greed, superiority and selfishness underlying and coloring current collective policy.  Then we, with fresh eyes, can look upon the value of the principle of sharing.

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By TAO Walker, July 22, 2011 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Nor is “goofery"in-general limited to Republicans and Tea Party-goers.  In-fact,
it’s epidemic….with even Bill Boyarsky exhibiting on-occasion his own full and fair
share of its symptoms.

Can anybody say, “partisan hack”-ery?

HokaHey!

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By felicity, July 22, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

Get that black man and his black woman and his black
pickaninnies out of MY WHITE HOUSE. 

But there’s more operating here.  “The so-called
common man to be controlled must remain an ignorant
fanatic, whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred,
adulation and orgiastic triumph,” Orwell.

And ‘fear’ alone will do the trick. Spread hate
because once people begin to hate they begin to quit
thinking.  It is said that ‘love is blind’ while it
is a fact that ‘hate’ shuts down thought.  (And the
hate-mongers have arrived on the American political
scene in droves.)

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By RSignore, July 22, 2011 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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BACHMAN AND COMPANY BETTER GET OUT THERE AND DEMAND AN END TO FARM SUBISIDIES, TOO. AFTER ALL, WE AMERICANS REALLY NEED ALL THAT EXTRA CORN FOR MORE SYRUP IN OUR PROCESSED FOODS!!!!

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By Leefeller, July 22, 2011 at 10:09 am Link to this comment

Tdoff,

I thought they did not allow women into the BHormone Grove, it always sounded a bit gay to me? ... Ladies of the night,.. maybe it is all part of the show, before they do the macho man song and dance routine.

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By TDoff, July 22, 2011 at 9:36 am Link to this comment

In all fairness to republican politicians, they face an anxiety-ridden existence these days. The top .5%, and especially the top .1%ers of our nation, financially, who own all of the republican house members, have issued themselves titles, deeds of ownership, to the particular politicians they own.

And at the current Bohemian Grove meeting, at their all-night poker and hooker parties, they are wagering their certificates-of-ownership of politicians, together with regular poker chips, in the pots, laughing gleefully as they mock-fight over what color chip each politician is worth. Some have even been known to give their favorite hookers ownership of a republican politician as a tip.

So think of the poor republican politicians, they won’t know until the end of the Bohemian Grove frolic who really owns them, and what bills they’re going to introduce and what speeches they’re going to give until their new owners instruct them.

BTW, those in-the-know do not go to Vegas at the end of July. Not because of the heat, but because all of the best hookers leave town and head for the Bohemian Grove, together with those from Manhattan, Palm Beach, and Beverly Hills. Tip to The President: If you could just get Congress to pass a bill outlawing deducting hooker expenses from corporate tax returns, our deficit problem would be solved. Fat chance!

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By kerryrose, July 22, 2011 at 9:08 am Link to this comment

Why is wonderwoman in orgiastic delerium?  If we could answer that question, maybe it would go a long way to explaining things.  It seems to me that the answer to that question is of vital importance.

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By rumblingspire, July 22, 2011 at 8:08 am Link to this comment
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the people who long for the old culture are the same people who continue to support corporations that trashed that culture.  namely the combustion engine.

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By SarcastiCanuck, July 22, 2011 at 7:49 am Link to this comment
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Dear Bill,you make a point of the racist tone in Bachmann and King’s comments.I find this either coy or naiive.This is exactly what they wanted to do.They are showing that they represent white bread America and will return to the good ole days.They don’t like the cultural demographic change they see,they don’t like losing thier white superiority and they sure as hell don’t like seeing a black man in the presidents chair.It is easy to talk big and noble when the deck is stacked in your favour,but once the cards change,the desperation sets in and people show thier true colors.They are also willing to drag the country down to achieve their goals and rebuild it in thier image.I kinda think they see themselves as saviours,annointed with the task of returning America to its rightful place at the top of the heap,post WW2.And the cornerstones will be white,christian and armed to the teeth…Its going to be a very interesting future

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By BrunoDiderot1, July 22, 2011 at 7:38 am Link to this comment

What wignnut Peggy Noonan is having trouble saying directly is what now follows:

. . . Republicans “miss” the America that was portrayed in 1950s television.

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By Inherit The Wind, July 22, 2011 at 4:55 am Link to this comment

Another thing I long for is when a woman in a Wonder Woman outfit actually LOOKED like Wonder Woman—see Linda Carter.

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THX 1133, July 21 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment


Republican Goofery Isn’t Limited to the Tea Party

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of course it isn’t; the dems, repubs, and 99% of the
U.S. population are certifiable.

A rose by any other name, apparently..Nice insight excepting for discounting far too many of our fellow citizens. Don’t judge the majority by the extremism of the vocal minority.

Michael Cavlan RN, July 21 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment


Republicans Bad. Republicans evil. Blame all on the evil Republicans. Do NOT at the man behind the curtain.

The corporate powers that OWN both Repubs and Dems.

I am certainly heartened by the comments of some that give me the understanding that there are indeed many who see the cupidity, complicity, venality and single minded devotion to corporate mastery BOTH parties display.

Inherit The Wind, July 21 at 9:25 pm

Ouch, that post strikes far too close to home!

I would remind you, however, that looking backwards always paints a rosier picture than when we were actually in those times. March 9th 47 years ago I was on the Pettus Bridge in a town called Selma, scared shitless.

The last fifty years have certainly changed the picture of America, much good , much bad, much continues to be done. Looking forward and acting in the present is the best way to progress.

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., July 21, 2011 at 10:45 pm Link to this comment

Disclosure: My other nics were; Fahrenheit 451, Celsius
233, and Ouroborus.
Tried to use Ouroborus - cannot. And the same for the
others. So, my new nic, cheers.

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By THX 1133 is not in the movie..., July 21, 2011 at 10:39 pm Link to this comment

Republican Goofery Isn’t Limited to the Tea Party

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Of course it isn’t; the dems, repubs, and 99% of the
U.S. population are certifiable.
I’m 66 and got fed up back in ‘03; I left the
insanity because it was obvious it wasn’t going to
get better.
Well, for once I was 100% correct.
As to sites like this; after 5 years here, I don’t
see that anything has changed; same posters, same
nastiness, same hubris, same ol, same ol.
Other than self aggrandizement and entertainment
value; what is the point?
Surely you’re not looking for solutions…

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By Inherit The Wind, July 21, 2011 at 9:25 pm Link to this comment

Yeah, I’m over 50 and I long for the “good old days”.  Of course, to me, they were when an American “product” was something tangible, like a TV or a lawnmower—or a kid’s toy, not a way for a bank or investment house to rip me off.
I long for the days when we had a Supreme Court that actually believed in the Constitution.
I long for the days when Democrats had guts and Republicans weren’t bat-shit crazy racist reactionaries.
I long for the days when unions were strong enough to reinforce Democrats’ backbones.
I long for the days before Bush 43. I long for the days before Ronald Reagan set us on the course to economic destruction and fascism.
I long for the days when I was thinner and had less aches and pains.
Of course, I long for the days when John, George, Jimi, Jim, and Janice were all alive and making music.

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By dino zora, July 21, 2011 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Disclosure- Over 50- I do not long for the days of limits and subordination for women-but I do miss the pride of producing necessities for the world in my home town- or feeling science could save us- the future was ours- (the populace).  There is not much nuance in this article.  Today- No production, no pride, no science, no jobs, no heart, no compassion- I understand some of the issues- that does not make me a Tea Partier.  The difference is who I blame- finance capital and their minions- and what might be the solution- Tax the Billionaires.

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By REED RICHARDS, July 21, 2011 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment
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Bill,

Another faux liberal with Rip Van Winkle Syndrome.  While I agree with you 100 percent that the Republican party is the wing of the war party that is most insane and should be locked away permanently in Smallville’s Belle Reeve mental institution, the idea that Barack Obush’s election represents anything other than a cosmetic change in White House occupancy is blatantly misleadng and sheer utter nonsense.  Barack Obama is G W Bush’s third term and if stupidity within the Amerikan population holds fast, his fourth term.  Obama is doing what wall street tells him to do, just as his predecessor G W Bush and that pretty much sums up the crash and burn economy by doing what wall street demands at all costs G W Obama’s presidency.

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By deGrene, July 21, 2011 at 8:13 pm Link to this comment
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Stop and think for a moment: there is a very definite purpose to their madness.

Most of us, because we are in the middle or lower economic classes, sffer during recession and struggle to make ends meet.  But the rich?  Oh, no my friends, not teh rich.

While they wine, cry, and cmplain publicly, recession is a godsend to each and every proprietary person of wealth.  Not only do wages go down and competition for jobs go up; not only do they benefit from having people so desperate fro work that they will take anything—ANYTHING—just to have some paltry pennies coming in—there is another side to this so-called downturn.

We now live in a society where 99.5% of the wealth is in the hands of 1% of the people.  Why?  Because during the last two recessions, after Reagan stripped away almost all regulation and dealt a severe body blow to organized labor, the Capitalist cannibals gobbled up all that pesky competition that couldn’t stay afloat.  They also solidified their position so strongly in Washington and state capitols that no one now can challenge them.  As Old Man Carnegie said back in the 50s, “By the year 2000, we (the industrialists) will control EVERYTHING.”

The purpose to the apparent idiocy of the Republicans?

They’re simply finishing the job they started 30 years ago.  By the time they are finished, we will be living in the days of indentured servitude and thanking them for it.

Or, we can kick the hell out of them and take back the country that the middle and little people fought for, died for, and built with their hands, their sweat adn their blood.

Which will it be?

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By gerard, July 21, 2011 at 7:31 pm Link to this comment

EmileZ:  I appreciate your honesty. You express well what many of us feel. Just one thing you said I wanted to go back to: Your feeling about the destructiveness of the internet. On this I am of a contrary opinion.  I think the internet has the possibility of helping to save the human race—depending of course on the way we use it. 
  But the openness of it requires us to hurry up and develop a trait that so far is more or less latent, or underdeveloped.  That trait is empathy—the ability to learn about differences and similarities among people and to refrain from destroying people whose experiences are different from our own. To understand how they feel, and why they act as they do, and how to come together them and work for the common good.
  I am actually afraid that the power centers will close down or limit the internet because they realize it is a threat to centralized power.
We should keep open to all information, encourage the patience, forgiveness, simple common sense required to sort it out, and exert the guts to educate people to actively value and protect freedom of information for all, not just for the “top crust.” We should value and protect openness for its own sake, and protect it from being withheld by some people to be used against other people.
  But saying “we should” doesn’t get us very far. Active participation in information policy is being required of us all.

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By monkeymind, July 21, 2011 at 7:12 pm Link to this comment

@ Patrick Dolan.,

may I join your bullshite chorus? Ain’t much of a singer but I can keep a beat.

I too am an over five - ohh, ameri(can), ex-pat in the charity fields of central asia now, watching from afar the metastasizing misfits of unbridled capitalism eat away at a universal dream last embodied in something we called america. Ours is an era of structural crisis both caused by and leading towards new phase of capitalism characterized by: (1)stagnation in old economies like the US, (2) the drift to finance as the only tool for both growth and maintenance, (3) the unfettered movement of capital across borders to the extent that tax exempt corporations dominate economies until the possibility of continued profit diminishes. Then the corporations, like cancer, will have to search for new markets for investment, outside their traditional fields of operation, leading to the takeover and privatization of key elements of the state economy. Tethers of interest laden finance, sown from corporate silos like IMF and World Bank, will require privatization on an unimagined scale rendering the once sovereign to a new debtor species.

Peggy N can kiss my tush. I don’t long for an american memory but rather for an america that dreams, that has a dream, that sees ‘entitlement(s)’ as compassion instead of the tea farty illusion the interest takers want us to believe it to be. An america that values education over prison, peace over hegemony, equality over coercion and fidelity over the dominance of the top 2%.

As an over 50’er I can remember walking to end wars, working in the fields to make sure yet another spring was not silent, and voting for promise rather the for the choice of lesser evils. All that is still for both us over and under 50. We just have to find our footing again and stand.

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By EmileZ, July 21, 2011 at 5:03 pm Link to this comment

It is easy enough to pick out the racism and idiocy of Republicans, it is just as easy to do the same with Democrats. Though are perhaps more colorful it is ten times more insidious in the case of the democrats. That is where the real indoctrination into a satanic evil very bad destructive insane nutty frivilous disgusting blind idiotic incomprehensible evil force working towards the destrucion of all understanding simply and basically good and decent and worthwhile is born. Relativity will be the atomic weapon that blows us to smithereens or worse.

stop!!! (the insanity and racism and indifference and bullshit and all that!!!!) and the horrible blabbermouthing of vapid weenie monsters like David Brooks and the farting of Wall Street (all Wall Street ever seems to do is fart smelly farts on the smelly TV while they rob us all blind) The smelly farts from these putrid people go straight into our poor little brains and infect us with cancerous dilemmas about what we might do if they all of a sudden stopped farting in our faces. The imaginary dis-ease is so unfathomable that we turn to…...

Golly I could go on forever. Those ugly republican females truly disgust me. I am so way above that sort of thing. The ideal woman for me would be a caring concerned person, who is actually quite reserved and impressive. She would never ever trouble me with mixed signals that get my brain all fucked up. She would be a kind generous warm sexy woman who was devoted entirely to me and didn’t actually exist. I could just conjure her up when I needed her and go on with my daily existence as usual.

I am tired of this. This is becoming a tedious task that I wish I had never begun. I wish there was no stupid internet and all that. The internet sucks. I hate the internet and computers and dirt and filth and disease and infection, and open festering sores with smeared on lipstick in a nasty wonderwoman outfit.

I am suffering terribly from my exposure.

Please make it go away. What is wrong with you people.

P.S. I am not a racist.

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By MK77, July 21, 2011 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

Actually Noonan is right, and her point has nothing whatsoever to do with race or even with a political point of view.

Go back 40 years or so and sample what was on television and radio in America. Back then you’d find Phil Donahue interviewing the hippies, Ralph Nader, and Ayn Rand for a whole hour. You turned on the radio to hear the likes of the Beatles and Stones, the Eagles, Motown, Pink Floyd, and good pop sound from artists like Simon & Garfunkel and Neil Diamond.

What does one find on the tube and radio today? The freaky transvestism of Gaga, the fake singing of Britney Spears, a thousand trash talk shows, the Gospel According to Oprah, the excruciatingly dull sound of insensate NPR personalities, and everywhere, all the time, ads and infomercials and corporate PR.

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By gerard, July 21, 2011 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

Here Boyarsky is vastly oversimplifying, in my opinion.  The radical “conservative” prejudices of many (if not most) Americans is a 200-year-old self-conceit backed up by legend, prejudice and ignoranc, a national mythology not likely to give way to tolerance without two things:  Admission of its existence, awareness of the damage it does to the nation and to individuals, and concentrated education to try to eliminate it.
All this requires the majority’s will to honestly implement those great words of social coherence which we swear to uphold, even unto death, but which we seem not to have the guts to emulate—that is, “one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.”  Not for some.  For ALL.  No qualifications, no special demands, no prioritizing, no preferential scheduling—simply liberty and justice—now and forever.  Amen (if you want to throw that in to give the Pledge a shot of sacred beneficence. 

What happened on the way to the courthouse, the post office, the factory, the mall? Economic and social competition as n unqualified modus operandi to sort the few “sheep” from the many “goats.”  Cultural, and then legalalized rigidifying of classes due to the struggle where some “achieved” much more than most of the others.  Classification of Uppers, Middles, and the ever-multiplying number ofLowers who were pushed forcibly out of sight by their self-
appointed “superiors”—and that even after a bloody civil war to try to reinstate the old ideal—“all men (and finally, women and kids) are created equal.”
  In apite of all the promises, huge numbers of Americans, isolating themselves from the real world, reniged on America’s possibilities and turned the country into a vast catch-as-catch-can culture filled with distractions, misrepresntations, pretensea dnd denials. (Fill in the blanks with your own examples as anyone can when you stop to think.)
  Now, thanks to the law of entroopy, we are reaching the end of the logical result—collapse.
And the saddest thing of all is that most Republicans and more than half the Democrats still don’t “get” it, and those who realize it are thought to be lacking in either optimism or patriotism or both.  A few hope for as easy a way out as possible.

Meantime we are fighting several wars against others, continuing business as usual, and trying to tell the rest of the world how to behave. NASA, WE’RE
LOSING ALTITUDE!!!

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By Patrick Dolan, July 21, 2011 at 4:15 pm Link to this comment
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I’m 57, a white male. When Peggy Noonan says, “everyone over 50 in America
feels a certain cultural longing now,” I think, “Bullshit.”

People over fifty can remember when it looked like we were gradually going to
remove racist bell whistles from our political discourse. And then we saw people
like Lee Atwater and Ronald Reagan re-inject them (alas, successfully) into the
Republican toolkit.

People over fifty can remember when it looked like more and more people would
be able to better themselves through work, and being judged on their merits,
and then Ronald Reagan’s “revolution” began the class war against the poor, the
middle class, the unionized and the teachers.

And on and on. The only thing I’m nostalgic for in the public discourse is the
time before Peggy Noonan and her generation of smug, conservative, self-
congratulators weren’t promoted by the corporate-owned hacks of the
mainstream media.

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By Frosty46, July 21, 2011 at 4:10 pm Link to this comment

To reply to the RN above————-because the Republicans have
such a long and very well documented history of evil,
dishonesty, theft and treason to our nation—just guessing.

PS:  You might want to start the job search if the Republicans
get their way with the budget hospitals are going to do very
serious belt tightening after the cuts to them kick in———————-

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By Frosty46, July 21, 2011 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

One thought on the Republican controllers and the budget
scams—-who would profit from the very possible increase in
interest rates should the US go into default?  Gee I wonder who?

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By Maani, July 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Michael:

Good call - though Republicans have always “done the bidding of their corporate masters” more happily and with more gusto than the Dems.

That said, I think it is irresponsible for Boyarsky to use such a wimpy word as “goofery.”  Goofery is something you laugh at.  There is NOTHING funny about what our government is doing.

Peace.

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By Leefeller, July 21, 2011 at 3:47 pm Link to this comment

Oh My God,... I will never see Wonder Women in the same light ever again,... Linda Carter must be rolling over her cape!

You ain’t seen nothing yet, until Wonder Evangelicl Perry flies up from Texas!

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By Michael Cavlan RN, July 21, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

Republicans Bad. Republicans evil. Blame all onn the evil Republicans. Do NOT at the man behind the curtain.

The corporate powers that OWN both Repubs and Dems.

Or

New Progressive Alliance

or

October2011.org

or

Anonymous- The Plan

Join the resistance.

Question. Why do so many articles that only talk of evil Republicans get “ink” here?

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By GradyLeeHoward, July 21, 2011 at 3:37 pm Link to this comment
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The astroturf of the T-Party is breaking up. Even
some of the childish actors are beginning to question
Oligarch funding and aims. Others still hope to win
approval in their cliques with racism and classism.

I thoroughly resent being lumped with selfish scared
idiots by Republican clowns. I’m 55 and don’t share
their opinions or values. Most 50+ people don’t. Now
if we had some anti-corporate candidates to vote for
in 2012 we could levy this fascist flood.

I called a man named monte a racist on DRShow
commentary. He answered by saying he was in fact
racist and proud of it. He’d been an accepted
commentator there for several years. People who saw
his admission will not accept his line or sympathize
with his complaints now. Maybe this is what Juan
Williams means by “Muzzled.” Muzzling the hateful,
cruel and greedy may be a good thing. There are kind
ways of doing it. Over time craziness loses its
momentum and is not infotaining anymore.

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