Inherit The Wind - you are absolutely correct, even someone as cynical as I can be surprised at how many commonalities there are between Truthers and holocaust-deniers; in fact, in many cases they are one and the same.

And ain’t it ‘funny’ how anyone who disagrees with/debunks their BS is accused of being a jewish agent of some kind - straight out of the Goebbels playbook.

How disgraceful.

Funny how making purchases with cash can now be looked upon as “suspect”..... The writing is on the wall.

Gmarks, January 1 at 1:49 pm #

Why wouldn’t he ? Wohlstetter and Inherit the Wind share a 5000 year history of infiltration, misinformation, occupation and then expulsion for their mischief.
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Great. Another bigot who stereotypes Jews on the basis of his hatred gets to voice his SHIT on Truthdig.

What rocks do these slime crawl out from under?

He’s spouting EXACTLY the same propaganda and policies the Nazis blighted the world with.

*sighs*

You did not take my advice did you?

If you had just done a few minutes of research on Sefton Delmer - you would have found a credible eyewitness who arrived at the scene alongside the Nazi Heirarchy, who confirms that even while the fire was raging, Hitler was already vigorously promoting the idea of a communist conspiracy (like Truthers, Hitler was fond of a good conspiracy theory).

If you had studied the police investigation, you would have discovered that the detectives were removed because their investigations proved that it was possible for the fire to be started by a lone arsonist - they took the confession, then tested it by physically timing Van der Lubbe (the arsonist) as he retraced his activities, and found it entirely possible for him to do as he had claimed.

Very little is certain in the study of history, one must draw what conclusions one can from the from the evidence available to him - I studied the Nazi rise to power for years - I have read many thousands of pages and hundreds of academic papers on the subject, I assure you with every ounce of sincerity I have that the consensus among the leading scholars of Nazi Germany is that Van der Lubbe acted alone.

There is no sufficiently credible evidence to indicate otherwise.

Don’t talk to me about ‘the man’... to speak so is the perogative of the slave, and his craven, in-bred obedience to authority (how many revolutions have you started recently sonny?).

And I have no idea what you mean by this: “let’s unite to expose that the official story is not credible”.... my attitude is more “let’s unite to teach these silly children how to think properly - the left will never get any traction while it is dominated by ignorance and conspiracy theories”; dig it?

LemuelG, sorry dude you’re wrong about the Reichstag fire. The fact that many people were needed to do it was a point working against the NAZI story, as their original “lone patsy” story had to be changed. Don’t forget the physical reality, in your zeal to reject everything Goebbels (not Himmler!) said. It counts too. Nothing but a large fire would have done the trick. You are correct about the detectives and the courts not falling for the patsy story and having to be sacked / replaced.

Either way, who cares? You gotta calm down a bit, Skippy. I can’t believe you’re flaming on fellow people who actually do understand it was false flag over minor and inconsequential details! Do you have like a head injury or something? What happened to “let’s unite to expose that the official story is not credible”? Sheesh! Take that sh*t and throw it at the MAN, dude, WTH are you thinking?

Grrr, I’ve just read yet another post claiming the Reichstag fire was a false-flag op. - NO! For God’s sake… for genuinely non-aligned historians, the debate is all but finished - the Nazis didn’t do it, they exploited it, but they did not start the fire.

Ironically, it was Hitler who initially promoted the idea of conspiracy - to the point of removing the original case-detectives (non-Nazis) for not playing along - the ‘conspiracy’ aimed to finger the leaders of the Communist party in the plot (they weren’t involved), when the case for conspiracy fell over (the judge didn’t buy it) Hitler had a characteristic melt-down.

So, when you insist that the fire couldn’t have been started by one man alone, remember that this was the line energetically promoted by the Nazis themselves - after all these years you morons are still falling for Nazi propaganda… and I bet you thought you were clever - many many people, much much smarter than you have wrestled with the truth of this incident - forget what you read on your local conspiracy-nut-site, or in books by communist/fascist apologists, and go look at the primary sources.

Furthermore, the failure of the court to properly fulfill the political aims of the Nazis led Hitler to create the infamous ‘people’s courts’, dispensing of juries and proper judicial procedure, and eventually sealing the fate of thousands (by summary execution).

You stoopid fucks have no right to lecture the rest of us on shit you are obviously entirely ignorant of.

(before further ranting and faulty statements on this, at least Google ‘Sefton Delmer’)

Haw haw, the same writers who have expended much indignation when the CIA kidnaps, detains and tortures brown foreigners on the thinnest of evidence (often a single denunciation) are now wringing their hands with anxiety, “why didn’t the CIA do anything?”

Pwog-writers everywhere are fretting and showing their true colours - “we want a police-state!” they seem to say… “strip-search every foreign brown man before he boards a plane to America”... “he was from Nigeria, why didn’t anyone guess he had a bomb in his undies?” (probably because it’s a fucken stupid idea, but I digress)... “it was SO obvious!” (to a fool who writes after the fact… with information available to them which no-one in a position to do anything about it had)

Congratulations, you have just demonstrated that hindsight is 20/20, and that perhaps you are an ignorant and racist fool.

First Richard Reid (the ‘shoe-bomber’) now this guy… if anything, this incident reassures me - if these guys and their wackily stupid plots are the cutting-edge of Jihadi terrorism then ‘we’ are certainly winning.

Gmarks, very good post sir. Yes, Inherit the Wind is almost certainly a paid disinfo agent. Nobody could be so incredibly selective in their reading that they miss virtually every single credible fact? Is it not the most gratifying thing that the public is gaining immunity to these tactics? Inherit the Wind might as well rename himself “P***ing into the Wind”. The pesky thing about lies (pesky for the liars) is that they must constantly be re-applied. When we wake up any individual to the truth, there is virtually no possibility that the individual will fall back asleep. So think on the numerical significance of this, from a game theory perspective. Then there is the “100th monkey” effect, which observes that when a small but critical mass of individuals in a culture or species figure something out, the entire population ignites with this knowledge. We are winning this informational fight hands down. The truth has an overwhelming power. We have an overwhelming power. Inherit the Wind has his work cut out for him. He can pass all the wind he likes, to no avail.

Inherit the Wind:  “Is it UTTERLY impossible to believe that a radical Islamic organization will try to terrorize “The Great Satan”?  Must it ALWAYS be that it’s the CIA or Mossad behind ANY evil in the world.”  (pososible misunderstanding?)

War is wanted, needed, required by both the Jihadists and the Militry Industrial Complex.  It brings in volunteers who are an economic problem as “Jobless.”  They are willing to be trained to kill each other and get paid to kill.  In order to kill, they need weapons.  The MIC makes huge profits inventing, making and selling the needed weapons on the world market and operating training centers.  The resulting fear and hatred draw in ever-more recruits.  Nobody can be allowed to “win” because the economic system “can’t afford” peace. This may not all be intentional, but the accumulating evidence makes it a more and more obvious possibility that war is the employer of lsst resort to prop up the failing world market—at least temporarily till someone figures out some other, better way to achieve similar results.  Besides, a lot of people can excuse the carnage coldheartedly because of “overpopulation.”  (PS I hope I’m wrong.)

Dear Ms Marcus: You go, girl!  Yeah, get pissed off!  Then vote again for Obama in 2012.

montanawildhack, December 31, 2009 at 2:56 pm #

Are you one of those losers that look for facts in the Bible????  Not that that’s a bad thing, mind you, it just means you’re an idiot…..
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That may be one of the stupidest questions I’ve ever been asked on Truthdig. I’ve stated this many times: I am Agnostic because I accept as little as possible on faith.  “Inherit The Wind” is the name of a play and a movie about how we must FIND the ignorance of people who prefer the Bible to science, and, ironically named for a proverb.

As for all the false flags listed, so many are so stupid and easily debunked I’m amazed they still show up—like FDR “letting” Pearl Harbor happen.  As is WELL DOCUMENTED, this canard was first posed by the jaded and disgruntled aged historian, Charles Beard, who was miffed that the Roosevelt admin ignored such an important personage as himself.  There is still no better work on Pearl Harbor than Roberta Wohlstetter’s book, where it was clear that an attack WAS expected, on either the Philippines or the Dutch Asian holdings, and that the traffic indicating Pearl, while there, wasn’t nearly as heavy as that for the other targets.

Unpreparedness seems to be the watchword as the Japanese f***ed up.  Pearl Harbor was supposed to be attacked simultaneously with the Philippines, but the convoy got there 12 hours after Pearl.  They found all the fighters in nice neat rows and all the ships in dock.  NOBODY at Subic Bay or Clarke AFB thought to go to general quarters, scramble planes and do EVERYTHING an Asian base should do when its nation is attacked by an Asian nation.  THAT is the real mystery.

But that never stops the conspiracy nit-wits.

This asshole on this plane did this.  Al Qaeda claims responsibility.  Yet SOMEHOW the nit-wits STILL say it “must” be a CIA/Mossad “false flag op”.

Right.

Inherit the Wind,,,

I find most of the posters here to be super intelligent….Not Wile E. Coyote Super Genius smart but pretty damn smart…

Are you one of those losers that look for facts in the Bible????  Not that that’s a bad thing, mind you, it just means you’re an idiot…..

Inherit The Wind, the false flag operations of the past are too numerous to count an underpin most of the violent turning points in history.

July 19, 64 A.D., flames break out in Rome from multiple simultaneous locations in and around the Circus Maximus, and burn uncontrolled for 4 days. Nero, playing his kithara, sings and jokes. He then grabs and builds on hectares of prime land. Most importantly, he blames it on the Jews and slaughters a bunch of them, while dining banking with their Jewish rivals. The crowd said “who would make something like that up!!!” They were like you.

February 15, 1898. The USS Maine spontaneously explodes. “Remember the Maine, to Hell with Spain” drone the US industrial and financial elites. Just previously, Pulitzer and Hearst exaggerate and plain make up stories of horrible conditions under Spanish rule in their newspapers, since “if it bleeds, it leads”. They send reporters to Cuba. Frederick Remington writes back to Hearst, “There is no war. Request to be recalled.” Hearst’s famous reply: “Please remain. You furnish the pictures, I’ll furnish the war.” We steam the USS Maine over there to “calm things down”. Suddenly, it blows up killing all aboard. Just coincidence, though, right Inherit the Wind?

September 18, 1931, Japan, wishes to invade more of Asia, blows up own railway and with no evidence whatsoever says it is China and invades Manchuria.

June 28, 1914 On a sunny, quiet day in Sarajevo the assassination of Duke Ferdinand by an “anarchist” kicks of WWI, but we know he was a tool of the bankers with no anarchist affiliations. Many point this out. “Conspiracy Theorists!” shout hordes of Inherit-the-Winds so millions then die.

May 7, 1915 The sinking of Lusitania, officially classed by the US as an auxiliary cruiser, draws US into the war, even as Germany publishes ads in US papers stating the ship is laden with weapons and will be sunk if it makes for England. We are warned to remove all civilians at least. We do not. It takes only 18 minutes to sink, so packed is it with munitions. The gullible public of the day buys it, of course.

March 5, 1833, a week before elections, the Reichstag fire is set by parties unknown; but, a mental patient, murdered before he could speak (if he could speak!) is produced in a nearby alleyway and then Goering says “we have secret evidence this was the Communists”. It was no little fire, either. The firemen, arriving in minutes, note that the entire structure is aflame, roof and all. Now known to have been arranged by Hitler, as was the incident of August 31, 1939 when “Legions of Polish Soldiers” “attack” a border radio station but turn out to be four dead gypsies dressed in Polish uniforms with German guns—alas there are so many Inherit the Winds in Germany that Hitler instantly cements his power and has his invasion of Poland.

December 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor radar picks up the incoming fighter/bombers, but an order to stand down comes directly from the White House, just after much of our fleet is docked in harbor. We now know that on January 27, 1941, Joseph C. Grew, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, wired Washington that he’d learned of the surprise attack Japan was preparing for Pearl Harbor. U.S. intelligence, which had broken every major Japanese code, also deciphered many Japanese dispatches during those ten months. They then keep it quiet. TEN MONTHS!!!!

Damn, out of space for: July, 1954 Israeli terror cell busted in Egypt blowing up civilian westerners, Kennedy tells Hawks (Operation Northwood) to scrap ten false flag ops faking Cuba attack, Gulf of Tonkin US PTs attack own ships starting Viet Nam war, USS Liberty 18hr attack by Israel saved only by Soviet spy ship almost resulting in bombing Egypt, of course 9-11…argh…alas no space for the last seven.

Inherit the Wind, you are needing to open books. Books are good. Start on page 1. Read page 1. Turn page. Repeat process. Become smart.

Reading these comments is like being on the ocean:
“Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.”

Not one intelligent post, but a plethora of the crazy conspiracy theorist nuts like tropicana.

Maybe Blackspeare had a hint of insight, but nobody else.

Is it UTTERLY impossible to believe that a radical Islamic organization will try to terrorize “The Great Satan”?  Must it ALWAYS be that it’s the CIA or Mossad behind ANY evil in the world?

When Al Qaeda actually CLAIMS responsibility for this attack, why is it deemed de facto unbelievable and irrelevant?

Nor does ANYONE actually address Marcus’s main point—the objections raised by the 9/11 commission were NEVER addressed and verbatim sound as if they were said on the day after Christmas?

“Beam me up, Scotty. There’s no intelligent life here.”

Truthdig posters did you know that some of my posts are being “edited” down the Memory Hole????

Granted I did question the logic of giving money to truthdig but so what!!!  Wouldn’t you think that because of the “craziness” of my posts that most readers would do the opposite of what I suggest????

Anyway, our Founding Terrorists made the First Amendment the First one for a reason…. Golly, I had so much faith in America and now I believe that faith is dwindling…. Thanks a lot Truthdig for helping to crush the spirit of a true American….

“At the multiple failures that allowed Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab to get on the plane…” are you kidding me? What failures. That was a successful mission. He didn’t “manage to get on the plane” he was escorted onto it! Man.

Am I the only sane person in the world?  When I read this article, I thought it was about how the US bombed Yemen a little while ago, and murdered 23 children in the process—that is a terrorist attack, how could it have been prevented? How can we stop the terrorists at the helm of the US empire from continuing their killing sprees?

The military-industrial complex, being the backbone of our economy by turning jobless workers into soldiers, needs “terrorists” to keep the wars going.

The “terrorists” need the military-industrial complex invading their territories to stir up hatred against “infidels” in order to propel young jobless Middle East men into training camps to become martyrs.

This symbiotic relationship is becoming too obvious to overlook.

There is no doubt that a rogue element exists within the US intelligence networks that would like to see another terrorist attack on US soil to reflect poorly on Obama.  Whether they were implicit in this last episode is hard to say.  But what I don’t get is the pre-occupation terrorists have with airplanes——there are so many other softer targets that can have just as much impact.

“Weaponized” tidy-whities vs. weaponized “depleted” uranium:  If anyone is still wondering about the elevated levels of rampant insanity in the virtual world-o’-hurt, nothing should alert the domesticated peoples to the dire condition their collective CONdition is in more starkly than this latest venture by the-“powers”-that-wannabe into institutionalized MADness.  Ruth Marcus half-lives in the “home”-land of make-believe….along with several of her professional claquer colleagues waxing outrageous over what others here have noted isn’t even a dribble in the overflowing piss-pot of government-sponsored atrocities available for erudite opprobrium on any given Day.

Better get-the-hell away from that CONtraption, tame Sisters and Brothers, while there’s still a Way out for you.

HokaHey!

Ruth Marcus:

How can it be that drone killings of civilians go ignored by you and almost all of the inhabitants of the “beltway”?

How can it be that you never ask why? Even Ron Paul isn’t afraid to ask why. Is he tougher than the likes of you and the Vampires you surround yourself with, Ruth Marcus?

O and his AfghaniSurge: $57,000 per minute (Thats just the surge-and that’s just money)
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/News.php/2009/12/05/what-obamaa-8217-s-afghan-war-plan-will-
Constant drone killings would never motivate someone like bin laden. Nope. Not in Ruths world.

With the invention of face to face communication through the Internet what is the reason for so many people to travel the world? Is it all so different that they must go from country to country analyzing any discontent or meddling in other people’s business, or is it the greed factor? What percentage of the worlds people fly on a regular basis or have flown once in their life? I can remember the airlines during the former Bush administration filing for government aid in the billions. I can remember how clear the skies were at night when the plans weren’t fling at all. You could see into the milky way better than ever. Maybe its time to take a second look at air traffic and the idea of mass transport. Sometimes when you look into the sky you can’t tell if there are clouds over head or its just a couple of dozen com trails molding together. Besides the clutter of satellites in space we have the sun protruding through tons of pollution and com trails. Not hard to figure why there’s so much skin cancer and sickness showing up everywhere.
We have trains and ships, so why does there need to be so many airplanes flying through the air we breath? Anything for a dollar..?
Wanted! An end to the oil and gas monopolies in America. Regulate and add 500 new companies unaffiliated with Bush and Cheney.

So just because once again, the CIA was sloppy in its work, plane-passengers the world-over are going to be penalized when taking a flight.  I can see the day when NO plane will fly any more. That’ll be good for the climate and CO2 problems. Youpie!!!

Ah, yes. The 9/11 Commission Report.

Funny you should mention that august document, Ms. Marcus. I’ve been re-reading it and I can’t seem to find anything about this man:

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/barry-jennings-speaks/

We are reaping the seeds we have sewn and creating new terrorists as we murder innocents in the name of anti-terrorism.  The sooner the US stops it’s imperialist and warlike actions, and holds Israel accountable to their atrocities the sooner we will be safe.  Until then, there is no defense system that is good enough.