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Posted on Nov 12, 2010

By Eugene Robinson

“Why don’t they fight back?”

That’s the question I’ve been hearing from the Democratic Party’s stunned and dispirited base. For the past month, I’ve been on a book tour that has taken me to Asheville, N.C., Terre Haute, Ind., Austin, Texas, and elsewhere. Everywhere I go, supporters of President Obama and his agenda ask me why so many Democrats in Washington don’t stand up for what they say they believe.

I confess that I don’t have a good answer. What I can say with confidence, however, is that the White House and Democrats in Congress ignore these grumblings at their peril. Call it polarization, call it conviction, call it whatever you like: These are not wishy-washy times. If you don’t stand for something, you get run over.

We saw this principle in action last week. Anomie among the Democratic base was not the main reason the party suffered what Obama called a “shellacking” in the midterms, but clearly it was a factor. Elements of the party’s traditional coalition—minorities, women, young people—voted in much smaller numbers than they did in 2008. The “enthusiasm gap” turned out to be real, and it had real consequences.

I’ve been hearing frustration at the willingness of Democrats to accommodate a Republican Party that refuses to give an inch. To progressives who may not understand the subtleties of inside-the-Beltway thinking, this looks like surrender.

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Wednesday night, I gave a talk at Indiana State University. “You watch,” said a man in the audience, “the Democrats are going to cave on the tax cuts for the rich, just like they caved on everything else.”

Sure enough, on Thursday I awoke to read the Huffington Post’s interview with White House senior adviser David Axelrod, in which he appeared to signal that Obama—with great reluctance—might have to accept an extension of George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans after all. Otherwise, Republicans would continue to block the Democrats’ preferred course of action, which is to extend the full tax cuts only for those making less than $250,000 a year.

Axelrod later denied that the White House is giving in. I hope that’s the case, but his words didn’t exactly convey flinty resolve.

Let’s examine this issue a little more closely. Making the tax cuts permanent for the wealthy would increase the deficit by $700 billion over the next decade. Which party claims to be urgently, desperately concerned about the deficit? The Republicans, of course. So which party is prepared to bust the budget, if that’s what it takes, in order to serve the interests of the rich? The GOP. And which party, to get its way, refuses to approve desperately needed tax relief for the bruised-and-battered middle class? Once again, the Republicans.

Now, which party holds the presidency and, until January, ample majorities in both houses of Congress? That would be the Democrats. Which party can point to public opinion polls indicating that Americans support its position that the Bush tax cuts should be extended only for the middle class? That, too, would be the Democrats. And finally, which party somehow appears to be looking for a way to lose this argument and capitulate? Incredibly, the Democrats.

The conventional wisdom in Washington is that those who say the lesson from last week’s drubbing is that progressives should get a spine simply “don’t get it.” The explanation given by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and some others—that aside from stubbornly high unemployment, one contributing factor was the Democrats’ failure to explain their program and counter Republican misinformation—is seen by the conventionally wise as delusional. 

But I’ve been meeting an awful lot of progressives around the country who share that delusion, if that’s what it is. They despair that their neighbors don’t know that it was George W. Bush who proposed the TARP bailout, not Obama—or that it worked, or that taxpayers are getting their money back. They wonder how health care reform came to be defined not as a moral issue or a way to slow rising costs, which it is, but as a “big government takeover,” complete with “death panels.” Which it isn’t.

What I’m hearing is frustration, and it’s getting louder. I’m hearing the view that the Obama administration, which has done much good, can do better—by speaking clearly, standing its ground—and, when pushed by bullies, shoving back. 

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)washpost.com.
   
© 2010, Washington Post Writers Group


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By jonathonk99, November 13, 2010 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Republicans have it easy because corporate values are so much in line with their
own bases values:  limited government, laissez-faire, no taxes, deregulation,
fracking, anti-feminism, racism, white supremacy, and the honor of war. 
Inevitably these policies will lead people staright down the shit hole while quickly
creating a few scattered billionaires. 

Democrats have it much more difficult.  They are experiencing what’s known as
the dual-constituency problem.  They have the problem of trying to balance the
concerns of their base with the concerns of their real constituency—the fortune
500.  This problem cannot be ameliorated since both freedom for markets and
freedom for people are two utterly opposing ideas.  Yet the Democrats somehow
believe that the two can be combined in a sorta utopian free-market democracy.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 13, 2010 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

ITW,

You need to learn that it is you who puts such great importance on skin colour.

You denigrate every Tea protester by labeling them racist.  Why?  Because they’re WHITE/Republican. 

How many times have we seen people refer to Dick Cheney as another Mr. Potter? Why does the reference work?  Because both the Potter character and Cheney are fat, balding and, most importantly, WHITE.  Does this, in your mind, make most liberals racist?

How many times have we seen George Bush depicted as Curious George?  Likely a few hundred times. Is that racist?

How many times have we seen Mr. Obama depicted as Curious George?  According to you this is racist because YOU, Sir, see Obama as a BLACK monkey.

Gov. Ann Richards once said; “Poor George.  He was born with a silver foot in his mouth”.  The reference wouldn’t work if Bush were Latina.  Would it?  No. Gov. Richards got HUGE laughs amongst democrats because Bush is rich/WHITE.

In pop culture the term “Ho” is a reference to ALL females.  Unfortunately you see only BLACK woman as whores.  Or conversely, you see only BLACK men using the term.

It is you separating black skin from the rest of society.

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EVERY PRESIDENT in history is made fun of using his personal physical attributes against him.  Very often as the brunt of a joke. 

Obama will not be the exception simply because his skin color is such a fascination for you.

Let me point this out again in hopes that it sinks in. - You can’t label others as racist or making “racist remarks” simply because you happen to focus so intently on the BLACK man in the Oval Office.

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By BR549, November 13, 2010 at 8:41 am Link to this comment

Hammond Eggs, November 13 at 6:15 am
“What Obama and his fellow Democrat quislings don’t understand is why they can’t make their lies to the voters believable.  Why, they wonder, can the Republicans lie and be credible and we can’t?  They honestly DO NOT understand.”

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You get to keep Eugene’s Pulitzer for that one, my friend. At least someone with a clue would then have it. Would you say that all this political bullshit really started to come to a head after the mid-80s, Iran-Contra, perhaps? Papa-Bush was deep into causing trouble then, but by his term as Pres, that whole malevolent focus had started to bring itself to bear. By the time he gave his syrupy sweet “New World Order opening up a new world of possibilities” speech, the vast majority of people had no idea what he was talking about. It’s been almost 20 years and STILL most people haven’t come to grips with what Bush was talking about because, quite frankly, most people aren’t that evil and couldn’t possibly conceive what Bush was doing to his own country and countrymen.

I think, to address your question, that the Republicans had spent so many years claiming to represent big business and its voter support was more about the wars and the perception of safety and preserving the American Dream than it was about either party and particularly any of the candidates. Only Perot stood out as being truly patriotic, but the populace was too caught up in the American Dream thing to see the light of reality that Perot was warning us about.

Then we had Clinton. This leopard’s spots were like a Magic Marker on faux fur. This guy was as phony as a three dollar bill. Hey, there’s an apt expression, “Three Dollar Bill”. I guess it’s like this; politicians see themselves like a dog owning couple playing catch. They throw the ball back and forth, teasing the dog, while the dog can never quite sink its teeth into anything solid. the dog moves this way, then that, again and again, salivating and getting out of breath, and at some point the dog becomes so transfixed on the elusive target, he fails to see that one of the owners had substituted a rock for the ball. When the dog finally catches up to the truth of the deception, he gets a rude awakening about having a good time with the people he thought he could trust. His favorite game has now taught him to be cautious on untrusting, and I think that is where we are right now and why the Democrats can’t pull off the lies anymore.

It wouldn’t made any difference which party had initiated the throw; it’s just that the dog had intercepted the rock during one of the volleys and finally understood that it could no longer trust its handlers. These people, the Bushes, the Clintons, Obama, they’re just players in the Rothschilds’ and Rockellers’ big game. And it’s a game to them. Gene Roddenberry did a couple separate episodes of Star Trek that addressed that very issue, the arrogance that a small group of ruling elite developed because they had figured out how to take advantage of others of their own kind. Where not talking a farmer managing his cattle here; we’re talking about a group of men and women feeling they are somehow more “gifted” and more “deserving” so that they can then treat their brethren like cattle. There is no natural model for that and that is why this whole abomination will doom itself eventually. Meanwhile, the Bush, Clinton, Obama lackey entourage will continue to try to keep us salivating and chasing an illusive ball.

Fuck them all. Sooner or later, they’ll all wind up like Mussolini.

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By RayLan, November 13, 2010 at 7:50 am Link to this comment

Unfortunately what Robinson isn’t getting is that the tea party populists draw all their power and content from the ineffectuality of Democrats. It certainly isn’t wishy-washy times - it never was - Obama’s bizarre attempt to placate the right wing bulldogs not only has shown him to be a weak version of their politics but has given them the opening to tear him to pieces. These are not nice people, they are Machiavelian power-mongers , Do they stand for anything? Yes - the opposite of anything the Dems come up with.
Have they proposed anything constructive - no - only to tear down the government services that are so desperately needed at this economically hazardous time. Let’s dig ourselves out of the private sector hole we’ve dug for ourselves by tossing the seniors, the children, the veterans and all the least powerful citizens to the dogs. Nice. That’s really standing for something. Like I said, they are not nice people.

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By Maximilien00004, November 13, 2010 at 7:17 am Link to this comment
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Brussels 13th nov 010 at 11.13 hrs
Delicate to have an sound opinion when you are living on another continent but this being said.
1)Pdt Obama has in front of him a long railway track laid out by his predecessor and he must follow it to the bitter end.But there are two if not three tracks: the Iraqi one (healing but not easy) and the Afghan one where the Commander in Chief , Petraeus Mesopotamius stated of late that “his” soldiers should leave when he should consider that the situation should peaceful enough. This is almost a Roman proconsul statement. 2) this war costs a lot of money but also of prestige as we now see the United States bowing low before the Russians for some aid to an Afghan army which they are supposed to know well or at least, as well as you do ?
3)the latest decision taken by the Wall Street Council to print 600$bio to restart the economy or with other words, to de facto devalue your money which also happens to be the international currency and this is not especially encouraging the Chinese to lower their renminbi. As to the confidence in the Wall Street System and apart the militaro-industrial complex, we are watching the United States with a certain perplexity.
4)we have been told (through Nato) that the U.S.are going to grant Europe its protection against ugly Near-East missiles,supposedly the Iranian ones (one never knows) and more than ever, we consider NATO as a kind of interim agency looking for Celts and German mercenaries “working” for a kind of new Roman empire.It is not very pleasant .
5)You are just wondering why the Democrats remain so peaceful (and a bit stunned), just think of the Europeans who are in the same situation (or nearly). We thought (and hoped)that Barack Hussein Obama could only be better than dear G.W.Bush but after all, he is a lawyer, speaks well, looks rather convincing but please show me what he really did until now ? Moreover, you imply that you should like to see more reactions from the Democrats, do you want us to move as well ???
This notwithstanding,
With my best regards
Maximilien

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By Hammond Eggs, November 13, 2010 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

“Everywhere I go, supporters of President Obama and his agenda ask me why so many Democrats in Washington don’t stand up for what they say they believe.”

The Democrats ARE fighting for what they believe in.  They are, in their hearts, Republicans and they are fighting for what Republicans believe in.  What Obama and his fellow Democrat quislings don’t understand is why they can’t make their lies to the voters believable.  Why, they wonder, can the Republicans lie and be credible and we can’t?  They honestly DO NOT understand.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 13, 2010 at 12:03 am Link to this comment

GRYM:

You disappoint me.  The ONE THING I felt I could be sure about was that you wouldn’t appreciate a blatantly racist remark.

Ask any Black man or woman if “Ho’Bama” is racist—even Clarence Thomas or Michael Steele.

Even if the expression were “WhoreBama” it wouldn’t be racist, but “Ho’”.....

It’s what I’d expect to find on a forum over at Fox noise.

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By BR549, November 12, 2010 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

garth, November 12 at 7:19 pm

“Is the globe advocating killing the messenger, the deer, for our protection or was
Jesse’s show a warning that these bastards are from the Nazis.  Eric Traub the
father of American biological warfare was in fact a Nazi.”

The odd thing, Garth, is that the deer tick is far more dangerous upon White
Breasted Field Mice, which are a far more common vector for the disease.

Well, that’s Massachusetts for you; always over-reacting to everything. That
sounds just like their typical Chicken Little approach. Next, they’ll probably be
blaming Bambi for 9/11 and the Kennedy assassinations. It’ll be on tomorrow’s
news. Retards, I tell you.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2010 at 5:24 pm Link to this comment

ITW, - Ho’bama”?  What’s next “Martin Luther McCoon”?  Don’t you know that the latter is how the racist white supremacist groups like Aryan Nation refer to MLK?

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Give us all a break from that faux indignation from the liberal Thought Police.  Not after you and others denigrate so many groups you happen not to see eye-to-eye with. 

EVERY PRESIDENT in history is made fun of using his own personal attributes against him.  Very often as the brunt of a joke.  You yourself went on about how awfully funny it was when someone yelled at the American President and threw his shoes at the man’s head. Ha ha ha… Yes?

Obama will not be the exception simply because his skin color is such a fascination for you.

“Ho’ Bama”!  Now that’s just plain funny, you Mo’ Ron….LOL

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By adc14, November 12, 2010 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment

There you go again, Eugene. This editorial is so riddled with inaccuracies and out right untruths, I don’t know where to begin. So, taxpayers are getting their money back from TARP, are they? I guess you haven’t been following Treasury’s accounting tricks (fraud) that make it look like that. Obamacare is slowing rising health care costs? You’re the one who’s delusional. All cost controls were jettisoned from the bill. My premium just went up 1200.00 a year. My BC/BS policy cost me 10,000 dollars a year and that doesn’t include co-pays and deductibles. Obama and his cronies can go to hell. He’s well on his way to destroying the democratic party. Perhaps a real Depression is in order and Americans will finally wake up to the fact that neither party gives a damn about them.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, November 12, 2010 at 4:48 pm Link to this comment
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Simple answer.

Their owners won’t let them fight.

Kabuki Theatre at it’s finest.

George Carlin had it right.

Forget the politicians. They are there to make you think you have a choice. You
don’t. You don’t have a choice. You have owners. THEY OWN YOU.

It’s a big club folks and we aint in it.

George Carlin RIP

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By ghostcommander, November 12, 2010 at 4:24 pm Link to this comment

President Obama and the Democrats need to stop sitting an delivering and take more of the high ground than they need. Then they could compromise away what they do not need.

President Obama won an election that could have put him on the course to be one of America’s greatest presidents and he Democratic party could have been the best one on record.

At every opportunity they cut off their own political legs and abandoned their base that got them there.

Sometimes it is the Generals that win the wars and sometimes it is the soldiers that win the wars.
The soldier Democrats won a big battle in 2008, but the Generals-/Obama/Democrats gave up the fight.

Turn over what is left of the Democratic leadership to the Aggressive Progressives so they can fight for the American citizens and for the values we hold dear.

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By commonwealth, November 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm Link to this comment

The problem:  The Democrats represent the intelligentsia and define
themselves as such by trying to explain the facts logically.  The Republicans
represent the anti-intelligentsia, and those who don’t want the people to think
about things too clearly—the corporations and the self-aggrandizers and the
know-nothings.  The Republican strength is that they have adopted a
vocabulary which speaks deeply to the psyche of the American heartland: 
freedom and liberty, independence, responsibility, faith, morality, patriotism,
etc.  The Democratic weakness is that they are reluctant to use those words,
probably because they actually do want the Federal government to have more
power—as it must to stand up for the average citizen and protect us from the
nation’s anti-democratic impulses.

This is not to say that the corporations do not also run the Democratic party. 
They get to have it both ways:  Their basic interests in civic irresponsibility are
advocated by Republicans and yet their backsides are covered by Democrats
who also don’t believe in real citizen participation.  So they get advocacy,
rhetoric and sympathetic policy from all sides. 

Faced with this, what is an American citizen to do?  When the banks and
corporations run almost everything, then work will be contingent on voting for
the party that the bosses tell us to vote for.  Poltiicians will still call the
country democratic, but it will be a democracy of serfs, not a democracy of free
men and women.

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By REDHORSE, November 12, 2010 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment

Does Baboonus Washingtonus offer a rational relevant vision, and lifegiving support to the American future, or is the ape a dangerous greed driven paranoid destroyer? Which is it?

    Does Baboonus Washingtonus represent “We the people—-” or is it a rich mans ape on a leash performing financial tricks and favors for its master?
Which is it?

    Does endless conversation about the nature of said ape and the disease it spreads change one single thing? Yes or no?

    Does the ape and its master hold concern or any sense of regard for the lives of “We the people—-” beyond what might be looted for personal profit and gain? Yes or no?

    “When in the course of human events it becomes necessary———”

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12 at 12:29 pm Link to this comment


“Ho’bama”?  What’s next “Martin Luther McCoon”?  Don’t you know that the latter is how the racist white supremacist groups like Aryan Nation refer to MLK?

Inherit, I think Ho’Bama has earned his nickname, racially overtoned though it may be, on account of his propensity to give it away and give it away again and give it all away again and again and again to every big swinging dick on Wall Street, at the Pentagon, in the CIA, or in the Republican congressional caucuses, and like a poor homeless drug-addicted little ho’ of the streets, he gives away everything he’s got far too cheaply - he might get a little campaign contribution here, a broken promise to cast a senatorial vote there; and then he wonders why he gets no love and respect from the family he betrayed or from the rich johns he tried so very hard to please. Ho’Bama is a neat little variant on Obama’s actual name, and it carries all that meaning in two little letters.

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By garth, November 12, 2010 at 2:19 pm Link to this comment

I am copying your statement in it entirety because, it should be read.  Although I pooh-poohed Jesse’s Show On Tru Tv, and I have watched a few,  I am starting to notice other suspiciously rhyming incidents that have been reported in the local bow-tie, bum-kisser adjunct to the NY Times, the Boston Globe.

After Ventura show about Lyme Disease, The ‘august’ Boston Sunday Globe editorial advocates d the out-and-oput slaughter of deer in eastern MA.  It seems these deer, as the Globe reports are carriers of Lyme disease.

Is the globe advocating killing the messenger, the deer, for our protection or was Jesse’s show a warning that these bastards are from the Nazis.  Eric Traub the father of American biological warfare was in fact a Nazi.

Eric Gagnon, warns of how the Nazis, and I mean real ex-Nazis tookover the American spcae program NASA.

These people are all crazy and we are the dupes.

Read BR549.

BR549, November 12 at 5:46 pm

Gene said, “I confess that I don’t have a good answer.”

No Gene, it isn’t an answer you don’t have; ...... it’s a CLUE. You are probably a really nice guy in person, but that isn’t what we’re talking about. You continually put yourself out there in blind admiration of some interloper whose only gift has been to perpetuate this illusion of a return to democracy.

Do yourself a favor this evening (Friday, 11/12) and try to figure out, where in your illustrious model of a success story, the overwhelming number of FEMA detention camps start to make sense, when they are brought out on Jesse Ventura’s “Conspiracy Theory”. We’re past the point of denial, here; we need people to start waking the f*ck up and wiping the sleepers out of their eyes. This is nothing against the Democrats or the Republicans, individually; it’s more that politicians are being forced to grab a life ring as the ship goes down, while they all turn a blind eye the children drowning. THAT’S what you are supporting with this selective myopia. And Barry knows all this. He’s playing his part, as a good little pyramidal puppet; meanwhile, you’re still thinking this is a democracy thing. We’ll try to find out which camp you wind up in after the system figures out that your journalistic skills pose too much of a threat.

I agree, Jesse’s format is a bit blue collar, but he’s reaching the trenches and I’ll bet it’s been a long time since you’ve seen what one of those look like. If for no other reason, why are our tax dollars STILL being spent on these, while our economy has been intentionally steered into the toilet? Why is Obama spending money like a drunken sailor on a trip to India, when Harry Truman refused a Secret Service escort while driving back home to Missouri? Clearly, that party has lost its roots.

I’m sorry if I’ve railed against you so many times, but man, you’re just not getting it.You need to start connecting the dots. By this time next year, things are going look A LOT different and it’s going to look awfully embarrassing with you trying to scramble to get up to speed explaining all that you’ve been missing.

I’ll assume that you do still have some measure of journalistic integrity and that you’re not actually an Obama shill, intentionally spewing out these mindless articles to placate an increasingly angry voter base.


Maybe it’s too late.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment

I heard Nancy Pelosi on NPR this morning:
Tone-Deaf
Clueless
Still talking about “Working with Republicans”
She just doesn’t get it.

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By D clary, November 12, 2010 at 1:59 pm Link to this comment
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Lobbyists write the bills congress passes them and collects capaign donations…pretty simple equation. Oh and the campaign donors vet the politicians chosen to run.

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By gerard, November 12, 2010 at 1:35 pm Link to this comment

Which is worse, hatred of others or hatred of self?
                Both.
          LOL, TNX, ONO and PU.

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By BR549, November 12, 2010 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

Gene said, “I confess that I don’t have a good answer.”

No Gene, it isn’t an answer you don’t have; ...... it’s a CLUE. You are probably a really nice guy in person, but that isn’t what we’re talking about. You continually put yourself out there in blind admiration of some interloper whose only gift has been to perpetuate this illusion of a return to democracy.

Do yourself a favor this evening (Friday, 11/12) and try to figure out, where in your illustrious model of a success story, the overwhelming number of FEMA detention camps start to make sense, when they are brought out on Jesse Ventura’s “Conspiracy Theory”. We’re past the point of denial, here; we need people to start waking the f*ck up and wiping the sleepers out of their eyes. This is nothing against the Democrats or the Republicans, individually; it’s more that politicians are being forced to grab a life ring as the ship goes down, while they all turn a blind eye the children drowning. THAT’S what you are supporting with this selective myopia. And Barry knows all this. He’s playing his part, as a good little pyramidal puppet; meanwhile, you’re still thinking this is a democracy thing. We’ll try to find out which camp you wind up in after the system figures out that your journalistic skills pose too much of a threat.

I agree, Jesse’s format is a bit blue collar, but he’s reaching the trenches and I’ll bet it’s been a long time since you’ve seen what one of those look like. If for no other reason, why are our tax dollars STILL being spent on these, while our economy has been intentionally steered into the toilet? Why is Obama spending money like a drunken sailor on a trip to India, when Harry Truman refused a Secret Service escort while driving back home to Missouri? Clearly, that party has lost its roots.

I’m sorry if I’ve railed against you so many times, but man, you’re just not getting it.You need to start connecting the dots. By this time next year, things are going look A LOT different and it’s going to look awfully embarrassing with you trying to scramble to get up to speed explaining all that you’ve been missing.

I’ll assume that you do still have some measure of journalistic integrity and that you’re not actually an Obama shill, intentionally spewing out these mindless articles to placate an increasingly angry voter base.

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By Robinhood Shaolin, November 12, 2010 at 12:24 pm Link to this comment
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From my overseas perch, I gather this crowd pretty much tells it like it is.  One of my faves is “Ho´bama´s an even bigger traitor than Ho´Lieberman.” 
    The view from here in Latin America is even clearer than it was in the “Homeland”.  Before I left, I began calling myself a Green Party wing Democrat, to keep my true practices clear. 
    It´s so true.  The illusion of corporations as true wealth has to be dispelled.  Senator Kent Conrad of N Dakota was pushing health care co-ops, Richard Gephardt wrote about stakeholder capitalism, and Ralph Nader reviewed the healthy survival of credit unions through the 2008 Wall St crash.  I suppose the departure of the Green Jobs czar Van Jones meant the end of any inkling of integrity in Hobie´s Soddom.  The reference to Ho´bama´s titillating speech´s is right on.  Until Dems recognize that Ho´bama was basically right when he worked for NYPIRG before Harvard law, and that co-operative enterprise is the only socially responsible business that will tap the talents of Americans as decent human beings and even hope to prevent corporate dark times.
    I guess Michelle Obama´s pretty much what remains of the Prez´s soul.  The only alternative to corporate advertising are networks built out of small scale and co-operative businesses.
    Kent Conrad, Richard Gephardt, and Ralph Nader for co-presidents, but it´s all about building from the bottom up through small business co-op networks, like Michael Moore alludes to in Capitalism.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12, 2010 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

. This election was never just about policy –– it was also about elitist political bigots and the repudiation of a public persona manufactured from racial identity politics.
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Really?  I thought it was about 10% unemployment that hasn’t gotten better, a desire for lower taxes regardless of the outcome, to control and rid the country of “illegal immigrants” (and anyone who looks like they might be one) and a desire to get rid of the health care plan before it’s implemented.  Oh, and to reduce the deficit while reducing taxes.

I didn’t hear anyone saying, even in the TeaParty: “Oh, we need to get rid of these liberal bigots and racists”.  Except, of course, GRYM.

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By dcrimso, November 12, 2010 at 11:53 am Link to this comment

While Eugene is one of my favorite pundits, I think he misses the point.  More and more of us are recognizing a painful truth.  Our politics has become Kabuki theatre.  The dems and pubs provide us with an illusion of control and input into having a say in our democracy.  Horsefeathers!  We live in one of the most morally corrupt nations on the face of the planet. Bush lies, Wall St. defrauds, Corporations buy and sell politicians.  It’s enough to make you want to stay connected to your gadget and not think about this mess.

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By garth, November 12, 2010 at 11:04 am Link to this comment

On one thread of TD, it outlines the recipe for Fascism.

Well, the Moose Turd Pie is in the oven.  And it went into the final stages with W. after gaining a pre-bake start with all the administrations since Carter. 

Reagan, Bush One and Bush Two did very well by the wealthy and trust fund babies to the point where they are now the Ruling class.

Obama said the other day, “We have to tell the truth to the American people. 

If he means the truth that Social Security is our money and that it is not going broke, as that POS Sen Kent Conrad likes to cry, then let’s hear it.  Let’s hear the TRUTH.

The other piece of misinformation that is flying around, especially on local radio talk shows is that Social Security is paying out more than it is taking in. 

Well, that was how the famous Reagan-O’Neill compromise of the 1980s was supposed to work.  The doubling of Social Security that has been taken out of our paychecks was meant to cover the Baby Boomers. 

It was a separate fund meant to go broke and return to the normal fund about 20 or so years from now, when most of the baby boomers have died off.

(Thanks to Thom Hartmann for correcting that devious propaganda.)

Tell the goddamn truth.

We might be a fascist system right now.  With roughly 28% of the electorate voting-in loud-mouths from the Mussolini-like right, We have nothing positive to look forward to.

Obama was a set-up. 

I can tell you I never liked the guy.  All the holier-than-thou left leaning Liberals attacked anyone who said, “Wait a minute!  Let’s take a serious look at this guy.? 

Well, he turned out to be nothing more than a brand.  And like the markets of today, brand loyalty can be short-lived. They can change their names, but they can’t change their spots.

Frustration? I was at that point when he named Geithner and Summers. 

Obama has demonstrated that the black-white issue is like phony mazooma. Monopoly money.  You can get a lousy black President just like you can get a lousy white one.

I suppose the woman issue will be the same. 

It’s now money and business.  They are the landlords.

The only thing we still have working for us is the hubris of these people.  They need to believe that they are the smart and everyone else is stupid.

They need to feel as though they finessed us and we are just soooooo stupid that we’ve fallen for it again. 

They are unending.


Their prayers have been answer, “Their world without end, amen.”

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By tedmurphy41, November 12, 2010 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

It’s because they, along with the Republicans, are tied completely to the same big business interests.

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By balkas, November 12, 2010 at 9:39 am Link to this comment

let’s please note this fact: u.s. or arriving whites had been in interethnic and
intercultish conflict first of all with indigenes. when that conflict ended, new one
arose: wasp against irish-et al, catholics against protestants-et al.
followed by wasp et al against germans, italians, japanese.
and now christotalmudic soyuz against islam.

i did not mention blacks. do they matter? but, of course not; they were and are
still just good for jails and meat for wars.

so, how many lucianos or lanskis it takes to rule the d.n. [disunited tribes]. i’d
say about 12 to 120 and headed by the wasp and ‘jewish’ tribes—oops, nations.

btw, ah yam still opting to write-spell-posit facts in a disorderly manner. i once
tried order and i was a basket case, but i feel better now that i am highly
unmeritocratic and erratic, but, sorry to note, also inerotic.

ok, lets go back to those twelve + funni uncles? i list them thus, moshe, sam,
hans, pierrre, boris, giovanni, deepak, pedro, walt, and tom. i almost forgot the
last one. but wld it have mattered if i had not included him??? of course, where toms are there are also tomasinas. tnx

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2010 at 8:55 am Link to this comment

The people have spoken, and what they have said concerns more than just the wrong-headed nastiness Mr. Robinson and others have inflicted upon us in the past couple of years. This election was never just about policy –– it was also about elitist political bigots and the repudiation of a public persona manufactured from racial identity politics.

Nearly all the media-concocted narratives that created and marketed the Obama persona to the voters have collapsed. The “post-racial” candidate who could transcend the divides of racial animosity has been exposed as a creature of an identity politics predicated on racial grievance.

Obama’s supporters gave the game away when the President’s wrong-footed policies and thin-skinned narcissism began to draw legitimate political criticism. In order to deflect scrutiny from Obama’s inexperience and incompetence, Democrats defended their Potemkin President by hurling the charge of racism at his critics, the standard response to anyone who questions race-politics orthodoxy and preferences. Thus the Congressional Black Caucus and their abettors in the mainstream media lit a few racialist Reichstag Fires, accusing Tea Party supports of spitting on black Congressmen and indulging racial epithets, charges to this day still unproven. And trying to score an “October surprise,” the NAACP last month released a “report” in which the Tea Party is chastised for giving a “platform to anti-Semites, racists and bigots.”

The voters weren’t buying it. Indeed, such ad hominem smears of people voicing legitimate policy concerns further disenchanted voters with the President, Eugene Robinson, and the democratic party as a whole.

In truth, most contemporary Americans have no particular racial animus toward black people, and recognize that talent and ability abound in the black community, as they do in every other. What critics of racialist politics and policies dislike is the way the government, media, and universities ignore merit and promote the less qualified simply to display a specious “diversity” that in fact is an instrument for imposing ideological conformity.

Unfortunately, for many liberals, love of diversity usually runs skin-deep.

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By madisolation, November 12, 2010 at 8:48 am Link to this comment

Well, my, my. Did Eugene dare to mildly criticize the administration and Democrats? Why, yes, he did, and even though he only spoke to supporters of President Obama (where did he find them? Did he corner them after an OFA rally or maybe after his speech?), he did discern some discontent among the rank and file.
But, Robinson, as usual, is quick to assert it wasn’t the base who made the Democrats lose. Oh, no. Never the base. The base didn’t didn’t have that power. It was women, minorities, and young people who made the Democrats lose. For crying out loud, Robinson, who do you think compromises the base? Women, minorities, young people, and, I might add, men who don’t swallow all the crap they shovel. You wouldn’t know the base if it bit you in the ass.
And how about this: “..their neighbors don’t know that it was George W. Bush who proposed the TARP bailout, not Obama—or that it worked, or that taxpayers are getting their money back.” That’s pure, unadulterated bullshit. How do you prove something worked by the absence of something happening? You can’t. The world wouldn’t have gone up in smoke if we’d nationalized the banks or just let their sorry asses fail and be done with them. Oh, and Obama voted for TARP. By the way, taxpayers getting their money back—if, indeed, they really are—at zero per cent interest while they pay thirty percent on their credit cards is not bargain, Eugene. We lost big money on that Treasury theft.
It’s hardly worth reading Robinson, except to make fun on him. Eugene will never get it, Obama will never get it, and the Democrats in DC will never get it, because it’s more lucrative for them to not “get it,” even if they lose their seats.

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By Tesla, November 12, 2010 at 8:46 am Link to this comment

Gitmo is still open. Drones piloted by video gamers in
Las Vegas are still killing wedding parties in
Afghanistan and Pakistan. Private “security firm”
agents outnumber U.S. military personnel in Iraq. U.S.
security state still rigorously prosecutes and defends
the status quo by claiming the right to hide everything
from its citizens. Congress passes a cash-cow bill for
the health insurance industry. Wall Street is not
distinguishable from the Mafia. The list is nearly
endless on the sell-outs, deceptions and abandonment of
the democratic base.

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By Go Right Young Man, November 12, 2010 at 8:24 am Link to this comment

Eugene Robinson - “What I can say with confidence, however, is that the White House and Democrats in Congress ignore these grumblings at their peril. Call it polarization, call it conviction, call it whatever you like: These are not wishy-washy times. If you don’t stand for something, you get run over.”

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LOL….This is hilarious!  After a year and a half of horribly denigrating the grumblings of protesters, after calling these grumblings insane, wrong, race-based and just plain mean Robinson learned a lesson from the protesters after all.  Lesson learned:  If you want to get things done in American politics do EXACTLY what Robinson railed against…LOL….LOL….LOL

You ignored the grumblings and protesters ran right over you Eugene…..LOL

Lesson learned: No matter how elite Eugene Robinson believes himself to be he represents a meager 20% of the American public.  Dismiss that at your peril.

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By Inherit The Wind, November 12, 2010 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

“Ho’bama”?  What’s next “Martin Luther McCoon”?  Don’t you know that the latter is how the racist white supremacist groups like Aryan Nation refer to MLK?

Now that Robinson is FINALLY getting it (well, most of it), do you think they’ll listen to HIM, as a liberal Op-Ed writer in the local Wa-Po?  Sounds like soon-to-be-former-Speaker Pelosi is YET AGAIN tone-deaf to the voice of her party. And we KNOW Harry Reid is. And, sadly, so is President Obama, especially with his advisors like Summers and Geithner acting as his ear-plugs.

But the Democratic Party has been on a suicide mission since 1994.  Only Howard Dean in 2006 and 2008 could motivate it to get the message out.

At least Eugene Robinson, getting out of DC on his book tour, is finally getting it.  I mean, the man has been INUNDATED by Democrats asking the same damn thing—when are Dems going to fight back? When are Dems going to stop caving to GOP stone-walling? When are Dems going to realize that there is NO COMPROMISE with the GOP policies of the last 16 years?

When are the Dems in Washington going to get the shit out of their ears so they can hear their party, and grow a spine so they can do what their party elected them to do?  Nancy, you STILL work for us—the Democratic voters.  Not somebody else.

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By cripes, November 12, 2010 at 6:10 am Link to this comment

Does anyone seriously think that Ho’bama or the dems will do anything except cower in fear of their paymasters and do their bidding at every turn?

Even their rare actions that aren’t wholly and completely in slavish devotion to their corporate masters are just window dressing to set up their next betrayal.

Gore Vidal was right: there is one capitalist party with two wings.

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By de profundis clamavi, November 12, 2010 at 2:17 am Link to this comment

Robinson continues to apologize for Ho’bama. Why?  There are few of us left out here in the despised Democratic base who share Robinson’s excessively charitable “view that the [HO’]bama administration, which has done much good, can do better”. The Ho’bama administration has been a catastrophe for the progressive cause, far worse than the Bush presidency. We know how to fight our enemies but Ho’bama’s betrayal has been like a dagger in our collective guts. We have been forced to watch for two years as the unspeakable truth has been revealed to us more undeniably each day: that our elected leader is nothing more than a craven coward and a street walkin’ ho’ just lookin’ to see how much campaign cash his titillating tongue and cunning stunts can raise by fellating big Wall Street and K Street dicks with tax cuts, business-friendly healthcare “reform” and kid gloves regulation. Ho’bama’s an even bigger traitor than Ho’ Lieberman.

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By D.R. Zing, November 12, 2010 at 2:02 am Link to this comment

It’s called war, Mr. Robinson.  Obama won the 2008 election because he spoke out against war.  Hillary lost the 2008 primary because she voted for the Iraq War.  But war, by your paper and every other paper in the nation and every television news station, was taken off the agenda for this election, because lo and behold neither Democrats nor Republicans wanted to talk about it.  And like good little videographers and stenographers you pointed your cameras and aimed your pens right where the Democrats and Republicans told you to point and aim—at the pile of bullshit they threw in front of us:  cut spending but keep fighting wars. That pile of shit is keeping you from seeing straight. “How do you sleep at night?” John Lennon asked Paul McCartney that question many years ago. I’m asking you now.

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By SteveL, November 12, 2010 at 1:51 am Link to this comment

I would be happy if they used the word compromise as much as they did when
campaigning for office.

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By Robespierre115, November 12, 2010 at 1:42 am Link to this comment

What’s amazing is how limousine liberals like Robinson are still walking around wondering why the Democrats continue behaving like what they are: CORPORATE POLITICIANS.

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