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Ralph Nader Was Right About Barack Obama

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Posted on Mar 1, 2010
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By Chris Hedges

We owe Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney an apology. They were right about Barack Obama. They were right about the corporate state. They had the courage of their convictions and they stood fast despite wholesale defections and ridicule by liberals and progressives. 

Obama lies as cravenly, if not as crudely, as George W. Bush. He promised us that the transfer of $12.8 trillion in taxpayer money to Wall Street would open up credit and lending to the average consumer. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), however, admitted last week that banks have reduced lending at the sharpest pace since 1942. As a senator, Obama promised he would filibuster amendments to the FISA Reform Act that retroactively made legal the wiretapping and monitoring of millions of American citizens without warrant; instead he supported passage of the loathsome legislation. He told us he would withdraw American troops from Iraq, close the detention facility at Guantánamo, end torture, restore civil liberties such as habeas corpus and create new jobs. None of this has happened.

He is shoving a health care bill down our throats that would give hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the private health insurance industry in the form of subsidies, and force millions of uninsured Americans to buy insurers’ defective products. These policies would come with ever-rising co-pays, deductibles and premiums and see most of the seriously ill left bankrupt and unable to afford medical care. Obama did nothing to halt the collapse of the Copenhagen climate conference, after promising meaningful environmental reform, and has left us at the mercy of corporations such as ExxonMobil. He empowers Israel’s brutal apartheid state. He has expanded the war in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where hundreds of civilians, including entire families, have been slaughtered by sophisticated weapons systems such as the Hellfire missile, which sucks the air out of victims’ lungs. And he is delivering war and death to Yemen, Somalia and perhaps Iran.

The illegal wars and occupations, the largest transference of wealth upward in American history and the egregious assault on civil liberties, all begun under George W. Bush, raise only a flicker of tepid protest from liberals when propagated by the Democrats. Liberals, unlike the right wing, are emotionally disabled. They appear not to feel. The tea-party protesters, the myopic supporters of Sarah Palin, the veterans signing up for Oath Keepers and the myriad of armed patriot groups have swept into their ranks legions of disenfranchised workers, angry libertarians, John Birchers and many who, until now, were never politically active. They articulate a legitimate rage. Yet liberals continue to speak in the bloodless language of issues and policies, and leave emotion and anger to the protofascists. Take a look at the 3,000-word suicide note left by Joe Stack, who flew his Piper Cherokee last month into an IRS office in Austin, Texas, murdering an IRS worker and injuring dozens. He was not alone in his rage.

“Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours?” Stack wrote. “Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political ‘representatives’ (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the ‘terrible health care problem’. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.”

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By Inherit The Wind, March 8, 2010 at 8:52 pm Link to this comment

ardee, March 8 at 10:44 am #

“Like most Socialists, I bet you think YOU are going to make out like a bandit on the sweat of others.  At least in Capitalism you KNOW who’s exploiting you!”

Oh ITW, you kidder you. How easily you denigrate with such false example. This may be called, by those who do not like you as much as do I, distortion or even lie.

I think you , as a dyed in the wool Centrist of the first order…OK Moderate if it makes you feel better, simply fail to accurately consider real socialism, and think on its application as an adjunct to democratic process. We find examples of such in several nations today, and I think you are aware of them should you only bother to think first.

Heres a hint for you, my democratic loyalist friend, if you find yourself on the same side as the anonymous shrew perhaps you might wish to rethink your position.
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Ardee, there is no REAL Socialism except it the minds of those who delusionally labor in the fantasy of everyone pulling together and sharing alike.  Every time it has been tried it always ends up just like Capitalism: a few enjoy the fruits of everyone else’s labor because they are more “important”.

And, Ardee, my good pal, I crossed swords with Shenonymous many times before you began to post here and “She” don’t bother me!

As for E-L…my hopes that she wasn’t a complete nincompoop have been dashed again.  She reminds me of an Ayn Rand character:
“If you can refute a single sentence I uttered, madame, I shall hear it gratefully.”
“Oh, I can’t answer you. I don’t have any answers, my mind doesn’t work that way, but i don’t feel that you’re right, so I know that you’re wrong.”
“How do you know it?”
“I feel it. I don’t go by my head, but by my heart. You might be good at logic, but you’re heartless.”

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By elisalouisa, March 8, 2010 at 8:50 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt: My comments as to the heart do not refer to romantic ideas and such beliefs have not been discarded.  As you can see by the state of the world
cerebral thinking has really gone far with WMD and continual wars. However, I
shall go no further. It is either something you wish to delve into or you do not.  I
also wonder at some of your comments, however your posts are always interesting and I shall continue to read them

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By elisalouisa, March 8, 2010 at 8:34 pm Link to this comment

Night-Gaunt: As to my comment “The poor seek no power” The word “power”
was in reference to the power the elite seek and that is power over others.

Obviously, you and I do not interrupt Chris’s writing is quite the same way. My
conclusions as to his beliefs have been reached after reading many of his
columns and books. You are free to assume your own conclusions Night-
Gaunt.  As to backing up comments with examples, you specifically mention ITW.  I shall give you an example of how iTW backs up his comments:

Post from Nader’s Utopia: The world according to ralph
By Inherit The Wind, January 4 at 10:39 pm #
The so-called “progressives” have taken a view that ANYONE supporting
Israel’s existence is a dirty rotten Zionistfascist and that EVERYBODY should
realize that the Arab and Moslem world is full of sweet, maligned
misunderstood gentle souls.  Just read the missives of “The Contingent”—
Robert, PatrickHenry, Ed Harges, Thonggirl, and, my bud, Folktruther
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Odd Night-Gaunt but when I read “the Contingent” posts I do not see it that
way at all. So what good does it do to have such examples. In fact, it is an
embarrassment when you go back and read the posts of these fine people.

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By ofersince72, March 8, 2010 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment

I never had that premise Night-Gaunt..

If I had the premise you speak that have,
why would I have been posting the way I have???

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By Leefeller, March 8, 2010 at 11:41 am Link to this comment

Like region and it’s many interpretations, I see a similar failing in consensus with politics and life.

So it seems in saying, your socialism is not my kind of socialism, is sort of like saying if you are not my kind of socialist you are not a real socialist! Change it to a Catholic saying to a Methodist, you are not a real Christian!

Approaching Socialism as seen here, from TS’s posts,  questions the sincerity of the posts, only because they seem obnoxious in degree,  as if intention is to bring back McCarthy from the grave.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 8, 2010 at 11:23 am Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind: the moderators of truthdig.org are socialists not capitalists, which means that they wont ban me. 

Why don’t you go to a pro-capitalism discussion board like http://www.freerepublic.com

GIVE ME SOCIALISM OR DEATH !!!


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By Night-Gaunt, March 8, 2010 at 11:15 am Link to this comment

<elisalouisa the poor do seek power over themselves. Which is why they would rather live on the street than the cramped quarters of a boarding house. So how many other assumptions have you missed. Why don’t you show us where Chris Hedges is any of those things you claim he is? It is too easy to claim anything, but to actually show examples you and some others need to work on like ITW. So get to it!

You gave no indication you actually read then comprehended the article. It had no bearing or relation to it. So I am skeptical of your primary claim. See above.

ofersince72 your assumption is based upon a false premise. Corporate-Capitalism in its present form isn’t designed to benefit all, just a few. It is also designed to empty our pockets and fill theirs! The kind of wealth redistribution that Conservatives have no qualms about. This is predatory capitalism backed by our tax money so that the rich not only get richer, they stay rich no matter how they fail!

This “matters of the heart” is an old discarded idea of the Greeks I think. They also thought the heart had its own “heart blood” and so on. So you are using ancient mistaken romantic ideas of the human body to bolster your arguments. Poor, very poor. Lucky there is no test and grade, Elisalouisa.

Just as with sex, the emotions are tied to the glands through the brain and central nervous system. It doesn’t have the romanticism but it true. Sometimes it is better to break the mist of ignorance to embrace a clearer prosaic reality.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 8, 2010 at 11:11 am Link to this comment

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY AMERICANS LOVE THE CAPITALIST FREE MARKET SYSTEM SO MUCH, WHEN IN THIS SYSTEM COLLEGE EDUCATION, HEALTH SERVICES, AND UTILITY SERVICES ARE SO EXPENSIVE. CAPITALISM IS A TRAP !!

YOU CANNOT FULFILL YOUR PERSONAL GOALS IN A FUCKING SYSTEM, WHERE EVERY THING IS SO FUCKING EXPENSIVE, FROM FOOD, TO ELECTRICITY, TO SPORTS GOODS, TO TRANSPORTATION.

CAPITALISM IS LITERALLY A DEATH-PENALTY IMPOSSED ON AMERICAN PEOPLE.

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By Leefeller, March 8, 2010 at 8:31 am Link to this comment

Thinking from the heart is something I do not recommend, I tried it once and then her husband came home!

A friend told me to look for a Tattoo sign and the people inside could predict my future, well that did not work out either!

So then I figured to try calling the famous Physic I always see on TV.  Using one of thoes hundred numbers,  When I called I was told ” this number has been disconnected do to unforeseen circumstances”!

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By Shenonymous, March 8, 2010 at 7:42 am Link to this comment

It is truly cosmic how the mindless are attracted to each other.  It must be for the
small warmth of their vacant minds.  No matter how many bond, their collective
intelligence never rises above a fence post.

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By Amon Drool, March 8, 2010 at 7:40 am Link to this comment

elisa…there’s an obscure ‘garage’ song from the sixties entitled ‘if u only had a heart, i’d break it in two’  wink

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By elisalouisa, March 8, 2010 at 7:30 am Link to this comment

ardee,  Thanks for responding to ITW’s incorrect assumption. I very much agree
with your post, your last sentence was most appropriate.

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By Shenonymous, March 8, 2010 at 7:20 am Link to this comment

Yes, blah, blah, blah, actually is the signature expression of ThomasG not
MarthaA, you might a least try to get your facts straight.  And it is the expression
of those who have no mind of their own and are unable to come to any intelligent
conclusions and are incapable of cogent argument.  We can see how the truth
hurts you.  Even when I don’t agree with MarthaA, she at least makes sense. 
Which is something you cannot claim, elisalouisa.

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By ardee, March 8, 2010 at 6:44 am Link to this comment

“Like most Socialists, I bet you think YOU are going to make out like a bandit on the sweat of others.  At least in Capitalism you KNOW who’s exploiting you!”

Oh ITW, you kidder you. How easily you denigrate with such false example. This may be called, by those who do not like you as much as do I, distortion or even lie.

I think you , as a dyed in the wool Centrist of the first order…OK Moderate if it makes you feel better, simply fail to accurately consider real socialism, and think on its application as an adjunct to democratic process. We find examples of such in several nations today, and I think you are aware of them should you only bother to think first.

Heres a hint for you, my democratic loyalist friend, if you find yourself on the same side as the anonymous shrew perhaps you might wish to rethink your position.

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By ofersince72, March 8, 2010 at 6:33 am Link to this comment

Where is the Human Creativity in our monopolistic
capitolistic society?

We are very creative delivering weapons, destroying
public education, destroying the ecological system
and building highways…

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By ofersince72, March 8, 2010 at 6:16 am Link to this comment

Are you implying that the US is a democratic
republic or that there is no such thing as a
democratic socialist state?

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By elisalouisa, March 8, 2010 at 6:11 am Link to this comment

Martha, you won’t mind my using your favorite line.

“Bla, Bla, Bla.”

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By Shenonymous, March 8, 2010 at 5:48 am Link to this comment

It is brain rotting sentimentalism to talk about the heart as being responsible
for actions when in fact it is the emotions.  The heart is a muscular pump that
pushes blood around the body running on electrical impulses.  It is an
important organ but it does not make the blood.  Blood is created in the
marrow of the bones.  It would be just as incredible to say the blood carries
thoughts, but it would be closer to the truth than the heart!  The emotions find
their source in the mind.  The mind is usually thought to be in the head.  When
a person goes crazy, it is not usually said that they lost their heart.  It is usually
said that they lost their head.  To rely on emotionalism to view the world or to
make decisions is close to animalistic reactionalsim.  It is a mistake to think
that thinking is single dimensional.  Ms. Kramer needs more education. 
Analytical thinking does take in “all the facts” available.  It is emotionalism (the
alleged “heart” reaction”) that does not.  It is babbling bull crap psycho talk
what Ms. Kramer is saying for she herself has resorted to a structure that
attempts to say something as expressed in a linguistically formal way, called
sentence structure, which hearts do not do.  Also her idea of knowledge is new
age-ish, meaning naive.  It is soooo spirichual.  What she relies on is mythic
thinking or the occult and rational persons give that up when they realize they
have a rational brain. Mind is soul and soul is mind.

Socialism, when pushed to its extreme, diminishes the individual.  In lieu of
autonomous individual minds, one must give up its soul.  Those who write
extolling the virtues of socialism and denouncing democracy and capitalism,
theorists of socialism, have never really lived as a full participant under that
kind of system for their minds would have been defused and writing as an
individual would not have been available.  The single human being must give
themselves over to the collective. Individualism is heresy to socialism.  It is
interesting that Jaques Camette, who was once a staunch and vocal and
influential socialist came to the conclusion, with his own mind, that Capitalism
is more than a relationship of management. He came to the conclusion that
Capitalism should be considered as a social totality which workers’ self-
management in and of itself only perpetuates and does not challenge - despite
its seemingly radical content and activity. His theory is used to explain why
self-management never advances beyond the confines of a larger state
monopoly economy, or why many modern worker-owned facilities tend to
return to hiring managers and accountants after only a few years of operation. 
The experiments do not function in the way it is originally perceived.  Mainly
because the blind emotions get in the way.

The evolution of democracy was an evolution of the spirit of humankind. 
Communism, socialism taken to its logical political conclusion, would do away
with the individual, writing would become a thing of the past and the human
spirit would sink into communistic oblivion.  The idea of human creativity will
be lost.  One would not dare to write what one thought.  Go for it if you want to
mush your mind into the gravy with all the other mindless.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 8, 2010 at 5:15 am Link to this comment

E-L: I did read the article—Thanks.  I did actually learn how to read somewhere deep in my past.  The article is a piece of crap, which these days is the norm for Chris Hedges.  He does sloppy work, so I find him tiresome, shrill, and incorrectly inferential.  But it’s great red meat for the “faithful”! Love your assumption that because I disagree with it, I must not have read it.

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By ofersince72, March 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm Link to this comment

One does not have to look any further than the
education system a country has to understand whether
it is a democratic society or not….

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By ofersince72, March 7, 2010 at 11:27 pm Link to this comment

If the US economic system is considered capitolist,
it is bright example of its failure. Everyone is
in debt, so there is no accumulation of wealth.
Local governments can’t operate, nor state or fed.


the US has employed a military ind economic system
since the end of WWII.  We point the guns, and take
the money and call it expanding democracy. Through
the years the military had more and more influence
in the decision making. Now they have complete control of the decision making, the legislature
and executive branch are no more than the middle
management of the funds.
As long as it didn’t infringe on the middle class,
no one cared, we just kept voting them in.
Everyone knew we have been stealing resources from
poorer nations for years and years, causing poverty
starvation and ecoloical disaster everywhere.
How does the world’s largest debtor nation live one
of the world’s most liesure lifestyles? Nobody wanted
to answer that question.
Now that the military has complete control over our
government , do you really feel we can vote ourselves
out of this mess??????????????????

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By elisalouisa, March 7, 2010 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

ITW: Just read ‘Ralph Nader Was Right About Barack Obama.’ In the event you
did read it please read it over, you will find a definite leaning toward socialism.
I concur with Chris Hedges at to Wall Street, Capitalism and Socialism.
FYI
Heart verses Head decisions by   Susan Kramer
“We might think that a decision coming from our ‘heart’ would be mushy but it
is just the opposite.
A head decision is an analytical decision and is one dimensional; in fact it is
straight line thinking and works well in a math equation, and that is about it.
This kind of analysis does not work in relationships in the workplace or with
family or friends since it is so one-dimensional. It does not take into
consideration all the prevailing circumstances that go into making the best
decision from all facts and circumstances combined.
Heart decisions come from our total experience—bodily senses, mind, and
soul. We say these are heart decisions because we feel the energy for making
these decisions in our torso—the physical and emotional seat of our being
while in our human form. The energy for making the best decision is not
centered in the top of our body, the head. The energy really is pumped all
through us from the center of our body, our physical heart, energizing all of
our body.
By analyzing all the data taken in through the receptors of all of our bodily
senses we can know that we have reached the right decision by noting how we
feel in our torso, in our physical heart or physical body. We should feel relaxed
in our body instead of stressed in our body. Some signs of stress being
digestive upsets, raised blood pressure, and headaches after making just head,
instead of full-body decisions.”

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 9:38 pm Link to this comment

Now what do you suppose is “real” democracy? 

And basically private ownership, and working for profit are the fundamental
diagnoses of capitalism. 

Whereas socialism means public ownership of property and production. 
Resources are spread around.  Oh yeah, and when the politburo gets done, the
public comrades won’t know their asses from a hole in the ground.
 
Just to be thorough the following concepts are associated with capitalism:
Central bank
Commercial law
Companies law
Comparative advantage
Competition law
Consumer protection
Copyright
Corporations
Deregulation
Economic freedom
Economic liberalism
Financial regulation
Fiscal policy
Free price system
Free trade agreements
Freedom of contract
Globalization
Individualism
Inflation
Intellectual property
Invisible hand
Labour law
Limited government
Market
Monetary policy
Monopoly
Oligopoly
Patents
Private property
Privatization
Regulated market
Recession
Spontaneous order
Stagflation
Supply and demand
Wage labour

For the socialist, would all of these be discarded?

Now exactly which kind of socialism is being huckstered here?
Scientific socialism
African socialism
Arab socialism
Democratic socialism
Green socialism
Guild socialism
Libertarian socialism
Market socialism
Revolutionary socialism
Utopian socialism
Communism
Socialist anarchism
Social democracy
Titoism

Or is there a perception that these are all the same thing?

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By elisalouisa, March 7, 2010 at 9:28 pm Link to this comment

They will put us to war Tennessee-Socialist when a gallon of milk costs $50.00
dollars and people shall be so concerned about the war they will consider
hyperinflation secondary. Another 9/ll set up incident will be enough cause to
start war and have the people behind it.  You should
consider ITW’s comments a plus. If truth be told Capitalism as it is now cannot be truly regulated. It’s gone to far and the power elite will pay off or
eliminate those who try to “change’ things. What a laugh to even
think change can come about. Have you noticed what going on in Washington lately?
Renzo when you ask, “At what point do they ever cease wanting to be richer?” I
know it’s rhetorical but the answer is, never, never enough. The big difference
between the poor and the wealthy is not just money but the drive for power
and control. Wall street also is not just about money, the people on Wall street
know that money buys power. The poor seek no power and the power hungry
prey on them. War eliminates the poor,(what better use for a drone) and makes
money for the rich.  Those who enlist would most likely be unemployed and causing problems thus they join the military and agree that they are willing to die for those who gave them no viable alternative. The power elite gain the resources of the invaded countries and also are invested in war apparatus which brings much profit. Why should they want these wars to end?
You are correct in saying that the failures of capitalism are legion. If our tax
money had not been thrown at Wall Street, capitalism would have been shaken
in its very foundations.Wall Street through derivatives destroyed the housing
market. Foreclosed homes means that taxes are not paid thus local schools
close and classes are curtailed. Yet, that guy or gal who watch Beck and
O’Reilly are angry at government. Could one of those guys be in our midst?
Renzo, you speak my language when you say no right thinking person would
opt deliberately to destroy the planet we must live on. Yet, our corporations
continually do that.
Socialism by a different name will be the form of government in years to come
but not before much upheaval, destruction and the demise of millions of
people. The planet earth and all life are in for some rough times I am afraid.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 7, 2010 at 9:06 pm Link to this comment

Tennessee-Socialist, March 7 at 3:07 am #

MODERATORS: PLEASE BAN THE PEOPLE WHO DEFFEND THE FREE-MARKET SYSTEM, JUST LIKE HUGO CHAVEZ CLOSES THE CAPITALIST TV-STATIONS, DON’T BE DEMOCRATIC AGAINST CAPITALISTS, JUST BE DEMOCRATIC TOWARD THOSE WHO LOVE SOCIALISM.  THEY SHOULD GO TO http://WWW.LEWROCKWELL.COM OR SOME RON PAUL SITE

IN THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT THERE WONT BE DEMOCRACY FOR PRO-CAPITALISM PEOPLE.

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FYI, I just clicked “Report This” on this post.

Like most Socialists, I bet you think YOU are going to make out like a bandit on the sweat of others.  At least in Capitalism you KNOW who’s exploiting you!

I’m not surprised ElisaLouisa is impressed by your posts.  Figures.  She’s continually expressing idiotic assertions based on faulty logic—but with lots of passion! (As if passion were a substitute for reason—check out John Ellis’s religious posts—they make Christian96 seem almost lovable!)

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By Inherit The Wind, March 7, 2010 at 8:58 pm Link to this comment

truedigger3, March 7 at 8:27 am #

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Strange thing.!! I am agreeing with most of what you had posted in this post.
However, I am a firm believer in a tightly controlled and regulated capitalism that is being constantly watched closely with eagle’s eyes.
Corporations and banks must not be allowed to grow beyond certain size, then they have to be broken to smaller pieces, so we don’t get the “too big to fail nonsense!!”.
The privately owned Federal Reseve System should be abolished and its functions are transfered to the treasury department so that the issuance and control of the money supply is not in the hand of profiteer bankers who are gaming the system for their advantage. The current economic mess is a prove of that.
I am for universal health care like the British system with some frenge French system for those who want and able to go the private route.
Mining,  production and distribution of many natural resources and energy aka(oil, gas, electricity, large scale logging..) should be controlled by the state or public utilities.

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Actually, we agree on far more than you realize. I am TOTALLY in favor of strict controlled and regulated capitalism and the Volcker banking rules you named.  I am also in favor of defining natural resources you named as a PUBLIC GOOD and to be controlled to prevent their blind and dangerous exploitation, similar to your suggestion.

I’m not at all sure you are right about the Federal Reserve—I think too many people do not understand 99.99% of what the Fed is or does and too simply think it’s some kind of monster.  But I would definitely like to see some kind of restructuring.  A large part of what caused this mess was Alan Greenspan deciding in the mid-90’s that he and the Fed would show Wall Street who’s really the boss—and so he burst the Dot.Com bubble.

But even on that one point of disagreement, we aren’t too far apart at all.

Bet you are thinking what I’m thinking: “Hey, maybe this guy isn’t so dumb after all!” smile

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7, 2010 at 8:43 pm Link to this comment

I am socialist, and Tennessee needs socialism, why? so that young Tennesseans can go to colleges, the elderly and sick can be cured, and workers most people in Tennessee would be owners of a piece of a corporation, business or factory thru the system of “Workers Control”.  And i forgot that in a socialist system we have more muscles because Golds Gyms would be nationalized grin

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7, 2010 at 5:22 pm Link to this comment

Chomsky is a fake-leftist, he is crazy, he is not only a fake-leftist, but he is very anti historical facts. he said that Vladimir Lenin was a right-winger and Leon Trotsky was a fascist, go figure for your self if Noam Chomsky is a traitor of the US left

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By RenZo, March 7, 2010 at 5:12 pm Link to this comment

Night Gaunt warns us that without capitalism we would have no innovation. Even taking this original statement with a grain of salt, it has no taste. In fact, capitalism becomes more capitalistic the longer it is allowed to graze. It never dies on the hoof, must always be sacrificed to feed the trod upon, the hungry.

Just the fact that you Night Gaunt write here very likely means that your family was privileged under capitalism, because for sure the poorest people in this country have neither the education to write, the free time to dedicate to leisure, nor the access to, or knowledge of, this computer-thing, nor the ability to pay for the power to send their thoughts to others. Likely also they haven’t developed the elitist capitalistic pastime of sharing their “thoughts” with others. All these things we do are because we are among the successes of capitalism.

Capitalism brings its own excesses just as crack, free base and meth create a need for more. No one can smoke these toxins without craving more, and more, and more, more more moremore. So are the rich. At what point do they ever cease wanted to be richer? (rhetorical question). Something must temper their excesses if we all want to live together (and I doubt they want to start cooking for themselves and making their own beds.)

The failures of capitalism are legion, like the manifestations of the Dark Prince. Unless it is shackled by BOTH socialism and democracy (real democracy) capitalism will never be content with less than all of heaven and earth, or the destruction of heaven and earth. Look at what corporatism is doing now to the planet - corporatism’s hand up the government-puppet’s butt - I mean. No right thinking person (and it is not a matter of IQ points) would opt deliberately to destroy the planet we must live on. Yet corporations do so decide, because they are not human, have no human emotions, no good will for their descendants, no hopes for the future. They only work for profit. I see socialism as the heart and soul of humanity, maybe even the brain (it is a matter of IQ points here), but definitely necessary for us to survive. Capitalism doesn’t care about us, its corporate officers, or its shareholders: it just wants more, even if it you rightly count it a powerful engine of civilization.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7, 2010 at 4:25 pm Link to this comment

elisalouisa: hi, you are right, I hate spending too much physical energies in trying to convince american pro-capitalism people that capitalism only benefits rich people.  But dont worry, when a hyperinflation hits the US economy in which a gallon of milk will cost 50 dollars and a pound of chicken 20 dollars, even Glenn Beck will be marxist

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 3:56 pm Link to this comment

Wondering is not asking for a limitation.  To make that mistake elisalouisa is to
show your limited thinking.  Because you do not pay attention very well, you
would have seen I have been an ardent champion of free speech even for the
rabidly right-wingers.  You wouldn’t want to limit their free speech would you? 
Hypocrisy hides in the most unsuspecting places, like in your own heart.  You do
sift through the straw to find things to criticize me.  Are you suffering from some
envious malady?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7 at 2:44 am #
DEAR CHRIS HEDGES AND FRIENDS: I believe that what USA needs is a United
Socialist Front for the 2012 elections, a Patriotic Socialist Front as an
alternative to the corporate dictatorship represented by Republicans and
Democrats who according to Gore Vidal are not 2 different parties, but they are
part of the 1 oligarchic party system that weve had for many years.

Tennessee Socialist: The above quote is certainly not a rant or a rave as some
suggest your posts are.  I personally am attracted to socialism. A quote from
the Chris Hedges column we are posting on:
“Here in the United States, at the beginning of the twentieth century, before
there was a Soviet Union to spoil it, you see, socialism had a good name,” the
late historian and activist Howard Zinn said in a lecture a year ago at
Binghamton University. “Millions of people in the United States read socialist
newspapers. They elected socialist members of Congress and socialist
members of state legislatures. You know, there were like fourteen socialist
chapters in Oklahoma. Really. I mean, you know, socialism—who stood for
socialism? Eugene Debs, Helen Keller, Emma Goldman, Clarence Darrow, Jack
London, Upton Sinclair. Yeah, socialism had a good name. It needs to be
restored.”
My favorite is Emma Goldman: Her famous quote,“If voting changed everything
they would make it illegal” is quite appropriate for these times.
Some I would dare to say have not even read Chris Hedges’ column and in the
past have even boosted about it, thinking it is best to be a centrist, neither
right or left.There is Leefeller again being fanatic about the word fanatic. I dare
say Truthdig is not a centrist website.
  You have been gentlemanly in your comments Night-Gaunt. However,people
have been creative since the beginning of time without “incentives from
capitalism.” Too much Fox news Night-Gaunt.
Shenonymous:“Do those incarcerated in prisions have access to the Internet?  I
sometimes think ?like the idle retired these miscreants don’t have anything
better to do but to ?foment political pig swill.  Also the envious Canadians who
think they ought to ?comment on American politics when their own back yard
needs mowed.” Sounds like she is in favor of limiting those who comment on
the Internet to only a chosen few. Very dangerous.

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By Leefeller, March 7, 2010 at 1:17 pm Link to this comment

TS stated:

“Leefeller: americans hate socialism ad love the free markets, USA is doomed.”

Above domment seems like conjecture to me? Far as I know from your tirades, if all the rantings are sinecure and are for real there may have been two people who did not hate socialism. At least until now, evangelizing ideas as gospel may only attract the interest of the disenfranchised? When someone yells at me I prefer not to listen, maybe some folks like being yelled at?

As for loving something, I would not attempt to put a quantity on it as the above statement seems to do? Bush did the all or none or you are with me or you are against me routine and I did not find it palatable then!

As for doomed, I love that word and have used it on occasion, until I realized it seems to be absolute itself.

Speaking for others seems what many like to do here.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7, 2010 at 11:47 am Link to this comment

Leefeller: americans hate socialism ad love the free markets, USA is doomed

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By Leefeller, March 7, 2010 at 11:39 am Link to this comment

Just the other day I saw a bunch of Canadian’s marching waving fig leaves over their heads,  protesting about their communist medical plans, they want to be more like the American Dream and be able to have three or four different medical insurances because they desire the enjoyment of confusing paperwork and want to pay through the nose for better coverage like all the Americans do!

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By Shenonymous, March 7, 2010 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

Should we worry about Tennessee-Socialist who acts like a demented escapee
from Belvue?  He gives socialism a stinking name.  He smells to high heaven
(okay…if there was a heaven!).  Ignore him and he will melt back into the
woodwork with the other cockroaches. 

Do those incarcerated in prisions have access to the Internet?  I sometimes think
like the idle retired these miscreants don’t have anything better to do but to
foment political pig swill.  Also the envious Canadians who think they ought to
comment on American politics when their own back yard needs mowed.

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By Anarcissie, March 7, 2010 at 11:12 am Link to this comment

Well, if people pay attention to it….

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By Leefeller, March 7, 2010 at 10:36 am Link to this comment

Fanatics of all stripes and colors promote their cause with a blind eye to the individual. For the noble cause is all encompassing and has no individual. 

What is interesting about fanatics the cause need not explain itself, nor does it let reason or facts get in the way.

Another thing about fanatics, the inherent need of a driven desire to be among like mindless. One sees it happen on this blog like the regularity prompting of Exlax.

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By Night-Gaunt, March 7, 2010 at 10:25 am Link to this comment

Capitalism is like fire and electricity—-both are good and powerful if used carefully and under tight control. Otherwise you get burned and electrocuted. Capitalism when it is let free it becomes a danger to everyone, even those who get the profits run the risk of trashing the general economy. This isn’t Aristotle‘s either/or way of viewing things. There are gradations of type. Without Capitalism we would have no incentive to create. We need that. But only with regulation, balanced that is. Too much regulation starves it and shuts it down. We must find the balance in this equation.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 7, 2010 at 10:02 am Link to this comment

truedigger3 and inherit the wind love capitalism, how the hell can they support such an evil system?  No wonder USA is F*CKED UP because american voters are so brainwashed !!

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By bogi666, March 7, 2010 at 8:25 am Link to this comment
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Inherit the wind[farts]? The USG has committed to derstroying any/all attemps for countries to have socialist governments through assassinations[Allende, Trujillo], outright invasion, covert operations,paid for by the American taxpayers whose own social safety nets are being dismantled so that the taxes collected can be used to protect the investments of the CORPORATE WELFARE KINGS and WEALTHY around the world,  which is socialist for rich and capitalism for the poor and working classes. China is communist only because the communist part there is a political monopoly. It has /is shedding the government owning the means of production and China never embraced the non work ethic of Sovietism. The USSR was really Sovietism made to create an independent banking system because it defaulted on the WW1 bonds owed to the Western bankers which financed the opposing sides of the war. Just within the last 10 years Russia just paid off some WW1 bonds. I refer you a Dahr Jamail book which discloses the mission of the NSA and NSC is to capture, by all means necessary, the world’s resources especially energy, to keep the $ as the exchange used for transferring the world’s energy resources. This includes shipping lines, pipelines thru Afghanistan and Pakistan better known as Pipelinestan, as well as shipping and the protection of energy tankers. All this to keep the $ from collapsing which is going to happen anyway because of the War Dept.  costs of protecting the $ is going to make it worthless anyway. For instance, the Great Electronic Wall of Space with its 1000’s of outposts world wide in itself will bankrupt and already bankrupt USG. The Great Wall of China 4500 miles long , 25 years to build bankrupt China leading to the collapse of the government and society with invasion by the Mongols.

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By ardee, March 7, 2010 at 5:03 am Link to this comment

I am uncertain as to what I think the worst thing about this so-called “Tennessee socialist’s rantings; the way he thinks nothing of posting over and over and over, one liner simplicities that could have easily been combined into one post, or the way he conflates and confuses capitalism with fascism. Now I am no real fan of said capitalism, but the evils that he screams about in his upper case self involved silliness need further definition.

Do we blame capitalism per se? Evils which stem from the crossing of the line between so-called free enterprise and the encroachment of ( perhaps inevitable, perhaps not) those few and wealthy forces that seek to end competition ( the nature of capitalism) through manipulation of our elected representatives to pass favorable legislation or fail to pass necessary regulations.

I do not wish to defend the capitalist systems here, only feel it necessary to interject a protest against both the monopolistic practices of the self-professed socialist in kidnapping a thread to no apparent purpose and his confusion that makes his bad manners even more egregious….

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By truedigger3, March 7, 2010 at 4:38 am Link to this comment

Tensessee-socialist,

You are like the person who wants to explain his point by jumping up and down, rolling on the ground ,
tearing his clothes and hollering and screaming.!
Of course, such a person, loses any cridibility and respect and he will be ignored with a mixtrure of derision and laughter.

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Re: By Inherit The Wind, March 7 at 1:31 am #

Strange thing.!! I am agreeing with most of what you had posted in this post.
However, I am a firm believer in a tightly controlled and regulated capitalism that is being constantly watched closely with eagle’s eyes.
Corporations and banks must not be allowed to grow beyond certain size, then they have to be broken to smaller pieces, so we don’t get the “too big to fail nonsense!!”.
The privately owned Federal Reseve System should be abolished and its functions are transfered to the treasury department so that the issuance and control of the money supply is not in the hand of profiteer bankers who are gaming the system for their advantage. The current economic mess is a prove of that.
I am for universal health care like the British system with some frenge French system for those who want and able to go the private route.
Mining,  production and distribution of many natural resources and energy aka(oil, gas, electricity, large scale logging..) should be controlled by the state or public utilities.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 11:07 pm Link to this comment

MODERATORS: PLEASE BAN THE PEOPLE WHO DEFFEND THE FREE-MARKET SYSTEM, JUST LIKE HUGO CHAVEZ CLOSES THE CAPITALIST TV-STATIONS, DON’T BE DEMOCRATIC AGAINST CAPITALISTS, JUST BE DEMOCRATIC TOWARD THOSE WHO LOVE SOCIALISM.  THEY SHOULD GO TO http://WWW.LEWROCKWELL.COM OR SOME RON PAUL SITE

IN THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT THERE WONT BE DEMOCRACY FOR PRO-CAPITALISM PEOPLE.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 10:57 pm Link to this comment

HEY YOU ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY DO AMERICANS LOVE CAPITALISM SO MUCH? When capitalism is making the 80% of the US population poorer.  Do americans love poverty and hunger?  Even in this website which is supposed to be a socialist website, there are tons of people deffending the free markets.

What the hell is wrong with americans? It is the same type of behaviour that elected Bush-II for 2 terms.  Are american voters masochists and hate wealth and progress?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 10:50 pm Link to this comment

HEY YOU ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY DO AMERICANS LOVE CAPITALISM SO MUCH? When capitalism is the 80% of the US population poorer, do americans love poverty and hunger?

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By stuartbramhall, March 6, 2010 at 10:49 pm Link to this comment
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Who said anything about socialism?  I would settle for democracy, as established by the US Constitution - and a US president willing to abide by amendments 4,5 and 6 of the Bill of Rights. I blog about this myself (it really bothers me to lose the right of habeas corpus) at http://stuartbramhall.aegauthorblogs.com/2010/03/02/americas-growing-police-state/

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 10:44 pm Link to this comment

DEAR CHRIS HEDGES AND FRIENDS: I believe that what USA needs is a United Socialist Front for the 2012 elections, a Patriotic Socialist Front as an alternative to the corporate dictatorship represented by Republicans and Democrats who according to Gore Vidal are not 2 different parties, but they are part of the 1 oligarchic party system that weve had for many years.

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By Inherit The Wind, March 6, 2010 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

T-S:
You can stamp your feet and hold your breath till your face turns blue but EVERY Socialist experiment in the world has fail, and is doomed to fail.  It’s simple:

1)Human being are prone to corruption and the ones who run the distribution systems whether Capitalistic or Socialistic INEVITABLY decide that they, the distributors, are entitled to the Lion’s Share.  Whether it’s dachas on the Black Sea or Park Ave. penthouses, they ALWAYS reward themselves first and reward themselves best.
2) “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” replaces MERIT as the currency with NEED.  You place every person as a slave to all others, forced to work harder because of his ability, and for consumption, make everybody beggars, whining about their “needs”.
3) There is no component in Socialism for positive enlightened self-interest—just a negative one—“Do this or we’ll have you shot”.

But live in your fantasy world. I’ve been dealing with pipe-dreamers like you for over 45 years.  I’m long used to them.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 7:30 pm Link to this comment

USA IS DOOMED !! AMERICANS LOVE CVS, WALGREENS, DIRECT-TV, DISH NETWORK, ATT, WAL-MART AND HATE SOCIALISM UNDER A STATE-NATIONALIZED CORPORATIONS OF THE WELFARE-STATE THAT COULD PROVIDE BETTER QUALITY OF FOODS, GOODS AND SERVICES AT MUCH LOWER PRICES.

FUCK THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY FOR PREFERING OUR EXPENSIVE LIFESTYLE.

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By RenZo, March 6, 2010 at 7:19 pm Link to this comment

Thank you Tennesse Soc.
but you forgot to mention the master of twentieth century socialist thought, the redesigner of theory, the one whose thought is the basis for the neocons (in reverse)”
Antonio Gramsci: http://www.internationalgramscisociety.org/

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

Inherit The Wind: You are very wrong about capitalism and socialism.  In capitalism the rich get richer, and the poor poorer.  So how the hell can you support a system where the rich get richer and the poor poorer.

So capitalism that has failed for the majority of americans and socialism has only been tried a couple of times (Paris Commune and The Bolshevik state).  USSR was not socialist.

Socialism hasnt been fully applied on earth. Socialism will come after the collapse of capitalism, so i urge you to read widely socialist books. Join socialist movements and socialist parties. Find new sources. Explore new concepts. Challenge your assumptions and beliefs. The world is not a fair place, and strategies that appear to be safely in the mainstream media might only bring victim status.

And remember: Let other people you know learn about socialism! Spread the word… the more people who know the truth, the greater the force against the capitalist system! Resistance forever!

Here are a good links toward the introduction of socialist ideology (The only solution for the United States):

http://www.socialistviewpoint.org
http://www.socialistaction.org
http://www.rwor.org
http://www.socialist.net
http://www.socialistworker.org
http://www.workers.org
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com
http://www.trotsky.net

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STICK UP YOUR MIDDLE FINGER TO US IMPERIALISM AND CAPITALIST OPPRESSION !!


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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 6:38 pm Link to this comment

Shit USA is a fucking hell-hole, many poor moms in USA dont want their kids to grow up to be too tall and large because the taller their kids are, the more they are seen by the police and shot down and murdered by the fascist cops while playing basketball or baseball

shit what the fuck, this country is worse than the Roman empire

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 6:31 pm Link to this comment

HEY YOU ALL WATCH THIS GREAT SPEECH BY BOB AVAKIAN ON WHY WE NEED A SOCIALIST-REVOLUTION IN USA TO GET OUT THIS CAPITALISM SYSTEM WHICH IS THE CAUSE OF THE MISERY AND PAIN OF THE GENERAL AMERICAN POPULATION

http://vimeo.com/6333857


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By ofersince72, March 6, 2010 at 4:28 pm Link to this comment

The way it looks,  I believe Dick Cheney is next
in line for a NOBEL PEACE PRISE…..

GORE got one…..supported Desert Storm…..
        .....continued the Decimation of
            Palistine…and Starved Iraq
            for a decade….....

Obama got one… Wink and a Nod on Iraq…...
        ... still having permanent bases
        ... installed on that foreign soil…..
        ... DRONE the hell out of Pakistan….
        ... murdering babies in Afhanistan….
I BELIEVE IT ONLY DESERVING THAT CHENEY GETS ONE !!!
anybody that can shoot someone in the face and have
that person get on international TV and apologize
for getting in the way of the shot…...
got my attention and is only deserving !!!!!!!

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2010 at 3:46 pm Link to this comment

When I am attacked I become quite virulently feisty and they hate it.  Then can’t
call me anything I haven’t heard before and you have witnessed over the years
that I have a skin like an alligator.  Why some have even tried to skin me, alive,
and use it to have some shoes made called She Shoes!  You know, and I think
you do know it, Inherit the Wind, we give ourselves our own backbone with the
choices we make and justify ourselves by the options we select.  I can only offer
my condolences to them for their being victims of small mindedness and
having no ability to think beyond their infantility.  It is an infectious disease. 

“Yeah, the numbers get higher and higher and the posts get weirder and
weirder.”
  There is a desperation occurring that is forcing those desperate to
depose Obama and this country into a panic to fall over the precipice of
pathology which is why the posts are getting weirder.  The lies they tell
themselves can only keep them comfortable for only so long.

I also had a similar experience reading the CM and had come to the same
conclusions.  Since we arrived at these conclusions separately and at different
times, that could be a bit of justified evidence, psychologically speaking of
course, that we may be on to something.  I have noted several times elsewhere
on these forums to my own peril and was excoriated for it, that communism
has failed in any place that was of a significant size at any rate. South America
is still experimenting with it.  It could work in a small closed system where
corruption by the politburo can be kept in a small pigsty.  But wherever the
country is of any large size, it falls into exploitation of the naive population.

It is better to have the guise of a democracy where there is at least the chance
of the population finding resources to exercise their rights.  Under the
authority of a fully centralized and militant government, the people do not have
a rat’s ass chance in a baited trap and have to wait until some heroic Mighty
Mouse liberator comes along or for the system to fail on its own because it is
endemically not sustainable. 

Marxism has internal fallacies.  Since communism is a system in which all
property is owned by the state and putatively is to be shared by all, the political
and economic theories of Marx and Engels believed that eventually the result
would be communal ownership of all natural and industrial resources and the
development of a classless society.  It fails because the workers who would be
the primary carrier of their class struggle, when they are a large mega-
population, do not really homogenously understand how the manifesto works. 

What is also a handicap is that they can never name a leader who is an
articulate spokesperson for their socialistic causes. They simply cannot speak
as a group. You see, the western mind is conditioned to believe in the virtue of
the individual.  Tight societal cohesion is really an Eastern social philosophy
where the good of the society is the supreme goal.  It should be obvious that is
antithetical to westerners thinking processes.

Also because the Marxian conception of class struggle is really very vague, in
large measure it is weak in rallying and uniting the worker class of the world to
overthrow the “class” system.  Marx’s attempt unsuccessfully to explain the
unintentional consequences of action was not able to provide an
understandable causal explanation of the aggregate (society) actions in terms
of individual actions.  That leads me to think he overlooked the importance of
the western mind set. 

Could it be true that humanity has a natural tendency to manipulate any
system that is offered them by any ideological group for their own personal
gain and it has been said that the poor are just as greedy as the rich?  Can we
be justified in this utter cynicism?

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By Leefeller, March 6, 2010 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

Way back in the 70’s I worked with a guy who was a staunch communist and proud of it, his routine was to evangelize how great it would be if his preference was realized, by the end of the work day my ear was dragging on the ground. 

As a staunch supporter of freedom of speech and it seems nice to me that people can voice their opinions or in some cases beliefs,  like those Witch Tower folks standing on every street corner like Starbutts, but their seems a point when it becomes annoying as their fanatical rantings for some unknown reason, gather steam and shift into second gear, sort of like Walt Disney s Mr Toad, as the fanatics with their wide eyes doing cart wheels,  do not notice the glazed look in the eyes of their captive audience while they run over them!

Yep! Mr Toad, I see the light, go away please!

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By Inherit The Wind, March 6, 2010 at 1:30 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous, March 5 at 9:19 am #

It is amazing the number of deranged and deluded that can get together on
one TD forum at a time.  It’s a hoot.

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Yeah, the numbers get higher and higher and the posts get weirder and weirder.

We have T-S as the eternal Socialist constantly predicting that it’s “scientific” that Capitalism will fail and Socialism will take over in contradiction of the OBVIOUS:
1) That despite harsh times, the economy is slowly righting itself.
2) Socialism, as practiced, has FAILED in every country it has been tried in.
I, too, was impressed by The Communist Manifesto—I read it in the summer of 1969—of course, I was 14 at the time   Within two years the contradictions were blatantly apparent.

We have E-L showing off once again how she can’t formulate a sound argument and so calls you a bunch of names.

And we have LeeFeller to challenge ALL our sacred cows, take NOTHING seriously and give us all a good laugh—all of us smart enough to appreciate him!

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 1:03 pm Link to this comment

WATCH THIS 1 HOUR VIDEO ABOUT “WHAT IS SOCIALISM?” BY A LEADER OF THE WORKERS INTERNATIONAL LEAGUE

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1471875736746417530&ei=HKySS_aXL4WUqwLMlNzlAg&q=socialism&hl=en&view=3&dur=3#

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By KDelphi, March 6, 2010 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

TennesseeSocialist—Good links…

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By KDelphi, March 6, 2010 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

AnonymousWoman..and what is it that we have now?

Anarcissie—i agree and was hoping that those student protests (In Calif and elsewhere) might “keep going” and end up in DC, protesting the continuation of Bush policies…

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 6, 2010 at 11:31 am Link to this comment

TO ALL: READ THIS LONG THESIS AND ARTICLE ABOUT WHO ARE ENEMIES ARE, AND WHO ARE OUR FRIENDS IN THIS WAR AGAINST CAPITALISM !! (READ THE ARTICLE, IT’S LONG BUT IT’S WORTH TAKING YOUR TIME TO READ IT)

Read this article or print it if you want and share it with your family and friends who are beating the bullets economically and are confused about the solution. read this long article, it’s about who our friends are and who are our real enemies in this world-crisis against the global-elites, New World Order or Imperialist capitalist rulers (However u wanna call it), it’s a real great weapon for our anti-global elites revolution

http://www.frso.org/about/5congress/class.htm

Class in the U.S. and Our Strategy for Revolution

(The following document is a portion of the political program of Freedom Road Socialist Organization. It was adopted at our 5th Congress. Other parts of the program are still in the process of development.)

To change society and end oppression, we need a plan to get from where we are now to liberation - a strategy that will work. Any successful revolutionary strategy must address the fundamental issue of who are our friends and who are our enemies and explain how we will go about uniting all who can be united to end the existing order of things.

We live in an era where capitalism has reached its final stage: monopoly capitalism, also known as imperialism. Monopoly capitalism is a doomed system whose continued existence stands in the way of all social progress. Huge corporations and financial institutions are headed by a wealthy oligarchy that dominates the political and economic life of this country, blocking the path to prosperity for the vast majority. U.S. companies are closing down factories here and exporting capital around the globe, to the detriment of all but themselves.

Our ruling class (the big capitalists and their hangers-on) has built an empire that spans the earth. Like vampires, they stand at the apex of a parasitic system that makes its home on Wall Street and sucks the blood of the Main Streets in the cities of the U.S. and villages of the developing world. They live on the labor, land and natural resources of others. Neither distance nor decency is a barrier to their drive to achieve the highest possible rate of profit. The world has been divided up between the big capitalist powers, which will stop at nothing to expand their spheres of influence and control.

Within our borders the monopoly capitalists have accumulated untold wealth based on the exploitation of the multinational working class and the systematic discrimination and robbery that is visited upon the oppressed nationalities.

We need to turn things upside down. This means revolution, a radical break that advances the cause of the exploited, that employs, in the words of Malcolm X, any means necessary. Working and oppressed peoples need political power. This power is the means to reorganize society in our own interests and dictate our terms to all who stand in the way. The seizure of power by the working class and its allies is the beginning of a great change, a transformation that continues until the end of all classes and all oppression.

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By Leefeller, March 6, 2010 at 8:16 am Link to this comment

Maybe I have been doing this all wrong? It seems attacking other posters not for what they said or commented on, but instead maybe one should fall back on childhood and employ how I really feel and perceive other stinky people. Starting maybe by Grabbing jealousy out of my arise.

Yeah! I know, talk of the other posters big egos,  while I waving mine small one over my head like a tea bag at a morons convention, that’s the way I should be doing it!

It seems I should apologize to Hedges for all the disagreement I have him and his ego. Let’s say Hedges does not rehash hash, but instead provides enlightenment for pablum minded egocentric lemmings?

My apology must be extended to some posters here on TD, for I may have little disagreement with other peoples opinions. Problem looms glaringly when posters portray opinion as gospel or as absolute fact.

For some reason, I feel if Nader had become president, the very same people who expect a Whitehouse on water, would find disappointment for the same reason Obama supporters are now.

Can you say Congress! Can you say lobbyist! Can you say pork barrel! Can you say opportunist! Finish the list for me!

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2010 at 7:41 am Link to this comment

Yum yum, elisalouisa…watch out you may be the next main meal. How idiotic you
sound.  The mental midgets must try sticking together to gather up one working
brain.

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By elisalouisa, March 6, 2010 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

You are correct Ardee in your assessment of Shenonymous. One could compare
her to a tarantula who weaves a web of deceit, enticing victims into her web. Her
lofty honey coated words, whose origin may be cut and paste, are the
enticement. Then she strikes; now as she devours her prey she casts herself as
the victim, “those who hate me.”  A rush lifts her higher and feeds her hungry ego
and also her spirit which is of a dubious nature. Laugh clown laugh.

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By bogi666, March 6, 2010 at 6:57 am Link to this comment
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The USA NEEDS A CULTURAL REVOLUTION, just as MAO had to purge Chinese Society of the superstitions that ruled China for 100’s of years, and the superstitions propagated by the American pretend christian religionists results in controlling the population for purposes of manipulation by fear.The USA is the only country in the Solar system and perhaps the universes that doesn’t teach evolution.The purpose of religion in the USA is to conjure up imaginary fears, thoughts, which are then transmitted as facts to a dumbed down society whom then take on the thoughts of others as their own facts. This is mindlessness and this mindlessness is financed by the governments of the USA.Mindlessness embraces government testing of students, no child left behind, and the elimination of public schools in favor of chartered schools which test results are no better than that of public schools. Starting with Nixon and Reagan, the Repubicans realized that a educated middle class was a danger to imperial rule and both decided to end widespread inexpensive higher education in favor of financing the religious Superstitionists, fundamentalist pretend christians, which are tax exempt and financed indirectly by the government with free use of the public airways.

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2010 at 5:33 am Link to this comment

Lots of laughs.  It is more than satisfying when one who hates me with so much
passion makes my point that uses up his venom to denigrate me so early in the
morning.  Even when it is by a jaundiced cretin numbskull.  Such is what it is this
wonderful Saturday morning.  Merci beaucoup! to you whose ID begins with an
a and ends with an e.  Lots more laughs.  It portends to be a very good
day.  Good morning to all,...well almost all.

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By ardee, March 6, 2010 at 5:02 am Link to this comment

LocalHero, March 5 at 2:07 am #

Sorry Shenonymous; As much as you should get an award for taking forever to get to your point (“change is only permanently effected from within, viz, assimilation”), you are absolutely 100% wrong. Change has never, ever, not once, come from within. Real, substantive movements of change always come from the bottom (the people, usually one person first) and always from the outside looking in.

Verbose lady, no doubt. But much like poking a hornets nest I should warn you…She is as much enamored of her own voice as she is angered by disagreement.

But I digress..

” When great changes occur in history, when great principles are involved, as a rule the majority is wrong.”  Eugene V. Debs

“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
Margaret Mead

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By Shenonymous, March 6, 2010 at 12:48 am Link to this comment

Oh yeah, RenZo.  For some reason I am (frequently) reminded of the character
Seven Beauties, who reified the idea of the survival of the human spirit through
the most ghastly of experiences.

You must admit, rather, all must admit, life is a tragicomedy.  The secret to
having a worthwhile one, is to embrace this unique mark of humankind and
proceed, or reconcile ourselves, to do the best we can with the Drama known
as “our lives,”

It seems like if not just one but the entire All can metaphorize the idea in
brilliant technicolor that we can annihilate ourselves as a species, that we can
utterly debase human dignity, put so many perilously close to the edge of
disaster and unending pain, doom ourselves to repeat and repeat our
insanities, that unless we obstruct that Inevitability, that it is the responsibility
of each and every living human being to give integrity to the name homo
(erectus) sapiens, then we perhaps can understand how to proceed, to “know”
it, and knowing is the very and only thing that breaks the momentum of our
self-imposed dreadful destiny, because out of knowing, which is how we give
physical existence to that mental process ‘understanding,’  we can act, take
action.

Can we rebuild ourselves from the chaos in which we observe ourselves
caught?  When I say “we,” I mean all of mankind, not just the cosmopolitan
cognoscenti, those few cognizant of the reality that is human life.  It is the idea
also embodied in the idea of the Phoenix.

While we live in three dimensions of space, we also live temporally, through
forward advancing time, never to go back, to go backwards.  In his Anthropic
Principle, Hawking says, we see the universe the way it is, because if it were
different, none of us would have been born to observe it. 

Blackhole, manhole…that entropic abyss into which our minds can so easily fall. 
How can we imagine ourselves, as a species, not as this partisan or that one, as
disimprisoned from that irony of having a vision of what we can be and seeing
what we are?  If humanity is to salvage itself, we must do it ourselves and with
persistent resolve.

Isn’t it going to take shedding our ignorance, giving up false beliefs, ridding
ourselves of those self-serving unjustifiable blinding beliefs, to actually
comprehend the world in which we find ourselves?  To not just seek meaning
but to give it breath?  Isn’t certainty the holy grail?

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 5, 2010 at 10:22 pm Link to this comment

Capitalism in Crisis: 160 years after the Communist Manifesto

http://www.frso.org/about/statements/2008/capitalism-in-crisis.htm

By Freedom Road Socialist Organization

“Modern bourgeois society,” wrote Karl Marx and Frederick Engels in the Communist Manifesto, “with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells.”

Marx and Engels, the founders of the modern communist movement, wrote those prophetic words in 1848, on the eve a great wave of social revolution that changed the face of Europe. Today, 160 years later, we are witnessing the deepest crisis since the Great Depression in the 1930s. The words of the Manifesto ring out just as true as ever and the scientific principles of Marxism-Leninism are affirmed.

The basic contradiction of capitalism is between private, capitalist accumulation and the social character of production. Millions of people work under a complex division of labor in order to produce goods and services, while a tiny group makes enormous profits from it. This leads to periodic crisis of overproduction where unsold goods pile up while the capitalists slash production and lay off workers.

For the last 25 years the capitalists have tried to limit the scope of these crisis through expanding credit and financial speculation. But these efforts only led to the even greater crisis that we see today. We have witnessed gigantic banks collapse under the impact of the of the bursting credit bubble. This bubble has created the illusion of prosperity when the underlying reality has been deregulation, privatization, de-unionization and falling wages for the past 25 years. All the while, wealth has been concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. This new crisis is being compared to the Great Depression and it is global in scope.

We have witnessed an $850 billion dollar rip-off on the part of the ruling class to bail out some of these failing financial institutions. At the same time, working people are losing their homes, finding it necessary to look for additional work and finding it more and more difficult to pay for such everyday basics as food and fuel. This is what the Communist Manifesto means in saying that capitalism creates its own gravediggers. Tremendous effort on the part of oppressed nationality and working class people to fight back is becoming more and more necessary, as the rich threaten our jobs, our benefits and our social services. We must also fight against the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and guard against the possibility of new wars against Iran and Pakistan.

Basically, the main point of the Communist Manifesto is that society changes through class struggle. As Mao Zedong, the leader of the Chinese revolution, once said: “Everything reactionary is the same; if you don’t hit it, it won’t fall.” All progressive people must understand this. Capitalism, this rotten system of worldwide mass-robbery, will not collapse by itself. In the trade unions, in the oppressed nationality communities, in the anti-war and student movements, we must get more organized and prepare for more struggles.

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By RenZo, March 5, 2010 at 8:19 pm Link to this comment

Shenonymous say:
where is Sartre, where is Camus, where is Kafka, where is Umberto Eco, or Italo Calvino?

Tutti noi siamo qui, in una persona: e’ davvero un miracolo uguale a quello della santa trinita’. Per esserne sicura poi vedere il numero di questo messaggio. Un miracolo.

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By Tennessee-Socialist, March 5, 2010 at 6:17 pm Link to this comment

LONG LIVE THE BOLIVARIAN-REVOLUTION !!

LONG LIVE HUGO CHAVEZ !!

LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE OF HAITI !!

LONG LIVE WORKING-CLASS INTERNATIONALISM !!

AND TO HELL WITH THE US MIDDLE CLASS, US MIDDLE CLASS LOVES CAPITALISM !!

Watch this speech by Larry Holmes about Obamas first year in power, and the end of the satanic capitalist system !!

http://jeffersonian-anti-israel-socialists.blogspot.com/2010/02/watch-this-video-by-comrade-larry.html


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By ronpaulfan, March 5, 2010 at 2:55 pm Link to this comment

Nobama and the rest of them are puppets to the evil bankers that really control this country.

I’m glad i’m a libertarian populist, both sides do not represent the interest of the american people, all they represent is zionist bankers, greed and the evilness.

END THE FED!
U.S. out of the international criminal court, the UN, NAFTA, CAFTA, IMF, The World Bank, all of them

We need to take this country back for the people for real.

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By Leefeller, March 5, 2010 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

As I continue to climb up the side of a cliff so high, trying not to get hit by the falling debris, lemmings who proclaim profound statements as they fly by: “I am right” or “Hedges is great” and the occasional squealing high pitched nasal lemmie sound of ” Nader, Nader,- - -  Nader”!

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By usedtobesupermom, March 5, 2010 at 11:34 am Link to this comment

For about 10 years at least I believed that Wall St. would crash & we would see something that had not been seen since the “Great Depression”. About 2002 I was warning that it WOULD HAPPEN & it was just a matter of time.

The response I got was “you’re crazy”, “you don’t know what you’re talking about” & some not so nice comments. Not even our elected took me seriously.

I also warned about the “housing bubble” & the economy being as solid & as a house of cards with no foundation because it was based on “easy but not cheap credit” & when the credit dried up & jobs lost because of Wall St. crashing—well we see it now. Too bad no one believed me (except my kids, one sister & my dad reluctantly). 

I helped campaign for Ralph Nader. He is a VERY HONEST MAN! Probably the most concerned citizen about what’s happening to this country & both parties DOING EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO KEEP HIM OFF THE BALLOT!

In fact in 1971 before he took a seat on the Supreme Court, Justice Lewis Powell told the U.S. Chamber of Commerce that Ralph Nader was the most effective antagonist to business & the biggest threat to their survival! (Columbia Journalism Review Sept./Oct. 2008, p.36)

The economy won’t get better anytime soon. As it is this country is STILL BRINGING IN 125,000 FOREIGN WORKERS EACH MONTH ON THE H-1B VISA program ALONE! It’s down from 136,000 ea. mo.

Another problem is that our government has ALLOWED THE SELL-OFF OF MANY OR MOST OF OUR ASSETS! What I mean is companies that were known as American that are NOW FOREIGN OWNED! Like RCA, Lucent Technology, Zenith, IBM PC, & at least 18,000 others! In fact whole industries are foreign owned or partly owned like cement, publishing, movies, music, etc.  (EconomyInCrisis.org)

As for our veterans, some want us out of these wars now! Go to IAVA.org, VoteVets.org, VeteransForPeace.org, IVAW.org. They NEVER AGAIN WANT TO BE SENT TO FIGHT ILLEGAL WARS, ESPECIALLY FOR SOMEONES PERSONAL PROFITS!

Thank you for letting me comment.

Oh, we haven’t seen the end of Wall St. bailouts & the next bubble will probably be “Cap & Trade” Goldman Sachs has EVERYTHING SET UP TO MAKE A KILLING!!!

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By Dredd, March 5, 2010 at 6:35 am Link to this comment
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The fundamental problem is the coup of the military over the civilian ideological realm.

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By bogi666, March 5, 2010 at 5:40 am Link to this comment
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Why has this articles comments been censured?

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By Shenonymous, March 5, 2010 at 5:19 am Link to this comment

Sorry again, this might be a third post.  Something weird is afoot.

“Real, substantive movements of change always come from the bottom (the
people, usually one person first) and always from the outside looking in.”
 
LocalHero, I’ll make this short and sweet.  You are 100% absolutely wrong and
100% illogical.  If, as you say, change “always” comes from the bottom, it has to
come from the bottom of something.  That something is within the thing
undergoing change.  It is at the bottom.  If it is the bottom, it is coming from
within.  Change always must happen within the thing being changed.  Always
and the best way to change things that are resistant is to join them and to
change from among the midst of that which is to be changed.  It is called
assimilation.

It is amazing the number of deranged and deluded that can get together on
one TD forum at a time.  It’s a hoot.

Well, Night-Gaunt, umma doesn’t have that ending h so while it may look like
ummah, it is different.  One h can make all the difference in the world. Hand
hlinguistically hit his hobviously han hinformal hvulgarization (remove the h’s
just for fun).  Upon a bit more contemplation, I’ll modify it just a little bit more
to UmmaDemmacrat.  Course detractors could change it even more to
UmmaDummacrat.  Of course, I prefer the former.  Muslim Democrats are
certainly welcome to use it themselves.  Or would that be too far fetched?

synic3, are you still having login problems?

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By Shenonymous, March 5, 2010 at 5:17 am Link to this comment

This might be a double post as there is some problem posting happening.

“Real, substantive movements of change always come from the bottom (the
people, usually one person first) and always from the outside looking in.”
 
LocalHero, I’ll make this short and sweet.  You are 100% absolutely wrong and
100% illogical.  If, as you say, change “always” comes from the bottom, it has to
come from the bottom of something.  That something is within the thing
undergoing change.  It is at the bottom.  If it is the bottom, it is coming from
within.  Change always must happen within the thing being changed.  Always
and the best way to change things that are resistant is to join them and to
change from among the midst of that which is to be changed.  It is called
assimilation.

It is amazing the number of deranged and deluded that can get together on
one TD forum at a time.  It’s a hoot.

Well, Night-Gaunt, umma doesn’t have that ending h so while it may look like
ummah, it is different.  One h can make all the difference in the world. Hand
hlinguistically hit his hobviously han hinformal hvulgarization (remove the h’s
just for fun).  Upon a bit more contemplation, I’ll modify it just a little bit more
to UmmaDemmacrat.  Course detractors could change it even more to
UmmaDummacrat.  Of course, I prefer the former.  Muslim Democrats are
certainly welcome to use it themselves.  Or would that be too far fetched?

synic3, are you still having login problems?

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By Shenonymous, March 5, 2010 at 5:16 am Link to this comment

“Real, substantive movements of change always come from the bottom (the
people, usually one person first) and always from the outside looking in.”
 
LocalHero, I’ll make this short and sweet.  You are 100% absolutely wrong and
100% illogical.  If, as you say, change “always” comes from the bottom, it has to
come from the bottom of something.  That something is within the thing
undergoing change.  It is at the bottom.  If it is the bottom, it is coming from
within.  Change always must happen within the thing being changed.  Always
and the best way to change things that are resistant is to join them and to
change from among the midst of that which is to be changed.  It is called
assimilation.

It is amazing the number of deranged and deluded that can get together on
one TD forum at a time.  It’s a hoot.

Well, Night-Gaunt, umma doesn’t have that ending h so while it may look like
ummah, it is different.  One h can make all the difference in the world. Hand
hlinguistically hit his hobviously han hinformal hvulgarization (remove the h’s
just for fun).  Upon a bit more contemplation, I’ll modify it just a little bit more
to UmmaDemmacrat.  Course detractors could change it even more to
UmmaDummacrat.  Of course, I prefer the former.  Muslim Democrats are
certainly welcome to use it themselves.  Or would that be too far fetched?

synic3, are you still having login problems?

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By Jim Barlucci, March 5, 2010 at 2:13 am Link to this comment
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You dipsy doodles don’t get it. Fourteen million NCIS background checks were made in 2009 alone. That means over fourteen million guns were sold last year alone, and, trust me, your backbone ain’t up to it: no one’s giving them up. Where’s you’re fourteen million, Obama enablers? You’re as relevant as the Democratic Party, the Republican Party or any of their usual media shills. No one is listening to you, yellow bellies. And you’re crafting new strategies? For the next Obama, maybe? The American people don’t want you, your nanny state politics or anything coming from New York or Washington. You’re going down in flames, motherfuckers—you, Obama and the rest of you deceptive, craven assholes who would sell the country down the tubes for a little West Wing shine and sparkle in the sheep pen. You gutless scum!

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By Oraculate, March 5, 2010 at 12:05 am Link to this comment

Mr. Hedges I would find answers to the following questions useful to my understanding. Thank you.

“We owe Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney an apology.”

Q:  Who are the “We” in this statement?

“They had the courage of their convictions”

Q: Is this a trait you admire, even in those with whom you disagree?


“The tea-party protesters, the myopic supporters of Sarah Palin, the veterans signing up for Oath Keepers and the myriad of armed patriot groups have swept into their ranks legions of disenfranchised workers, angry libertarians, John Birchers and many who, until now, were never politically active. They articulate a legitimate rage.”

Q:  Would you say they have the courage of their convictions? Are these would be or existing “proto-fascists”?  You say “they articulate a legitimate rage”, does that mean it’s authentic and/or you recognize their rage as having been earned? If rage is earned what do you allow a person for remedy?

“Yet liberals continue to speak in the bloodless language of issues and policies, and leave emotion and anger to the protofascists.

Q: Why aren’t they angry? If they do not have a conviction to animate them is it courage they lack
or a conviction?

“Take a look at the 3,000-word suicide note left by Joe Stack, who flew his Piper Cherokee last month into an IRS office in Austin, Texas, murdering an IRS worker and injuring dozens. He was not alone in his rage”


Q: Was Joe Stack a protofascist? 

“If we do not take a stand soon we must prepare for the rise of a frightening protofascist movement, one that is already gaining huge ground among the permanently unemployed, a frightened middle class and frustrated low-wage workers.

Q: If we must prepare for the rise of a protofascist movement, does that mean it is yet to come? If not can you please name the most visible leaders of the “protofascist movement” today? What data supports your assertion that a “protofascist movement … is gaining huge ground among the permanently unemployed, frightened middle class, and frustrated low-wage workers” Please cite available research. Is protofascism universally ascribed to be right wing?


Social change does not come through voting. It is delivered through activism, organizing and mobilization that empower groups to confront the hegemony of the corporate state and the power elite.

Q: Your groups succeed and declare victory, tell me what happens next?

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By LocalHero, March 4, 2010 at 10:07 pm Link to this comment

Sorry Shenonymous; As much as you should get an award for taking forever to get to your point (“change is only permanently effected from within, viz, assimilation”), you are absolutely 100% wrong. Change has never, ever, not once, come from within. Real, substantive movements of change always come from the bottom (the people, usually one person first) and always from the outside looking in.

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By LocalHero, March 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm Link to this comment

stcfarms, you’re absolutely right. People should drop out of this ugly, statist corporate system. I did going on 10 years ago. I destroyed my credit cards, closed my bank account, allowed my state-issued I.D. to expire, stopped driving, stopped filing tax forms & paying (income) taxes. I now rent (month-to-month with no lease) and “work” strictly doing what I love for cash only. I’ve lost 100 pounds (210 from 310+) and have absolutely no stress. I bike for transportation year around (in Michigan) or take the bus or a cab. I don’t worry about money - it just comes when I need it! The best part is I’m all but invisible to the corporate state and I’m happier than I’ve ever been.

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By Leefeller, March 4, 2010 at 7:37 pm Link to this comment

Chris, another enlightening masterpiece of rekonown pontifications.

Aunt Hilda

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By Heather, March 4, 2010 at 7:34 pm Link to this comment
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You really nailed it, Chris! I am a bit peeved however, that you didn’t mention the President not fighting for his NLRB nominees and not fighting for working people to have the right to join unions more easily with EFCA. Organized labor and union members are very unhappy with this President. It was organized labor that knocked on so so many doors during the campaign, challenged lingering racism within the labor movement, and got members to the polls to support Obama/Biden.

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By AT, March 4, 2010 at 5:31 pm Link to this comment
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How much did Rahm Emmanuel make last year?. president Obama, let’s start anew by firing the two worst failures on your staff. Fire Rahm and david axelrod.

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By plainsman, March 4, 2010 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

I think these guys are on to something:
http://www.youtube.com/user/cveitch#p/a/1C5F0FF4E4F424EC/1/mzyPMx1Yx8o

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By One Pissed off citizen, March 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm Link to this comment
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RON PAUL 2012

If we all just clean house in WASHINGTON.  No elections just storm WASHINGTON and throw them out on their ears.  We own them!!  Our Tax dollars pay their Salaries.  GUESS WHAT, YOUR FIRED!!!!

MARCH ON WASHINGTON
ANGRY CITIZEN REVOLT

And they thought the Million Man March was something.

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By FembotsForObama, March 4, 2010 at 11:38 am Link to this comment
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“But the damage liberals do the longer they beg Obama and the Democrats for a
few scraps is worse.”

The point Hedges makes here is precisely the reason I chose to do a protest vote,
and for the first time in over 2 1/2 decades did not vote for a Democrat.

As for FISA, Hedges neglects to mention that Obama flipped on his so-called
commitment/pledge BEFORE he was elected POTUS.  This was one of the countless
reasons PUMA Dems like me fought so vehemently against him.

The signs were all there before Obama was elected.  You chose to fall for the
platitudes.

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By Mikke, March 4, 2010 at 11:26 am Link to this comment
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I too voted Nader three times and was wham-lashed by my liberal Democrat
friends (and lost a good number of them for my recalcitrant refusal to Believe).

What Chris misses is the exact nature of the rightwing’s attraction for many,
and some commenters touch on it. It isn’t all proto-fascism. It’s the big energy
of people facing, and preparing for, and preparing to rise above, death. It
should come as no surprise that such a psychological movement should rise
with the aging of the Baby Boomers.

Rank and file people have been watching their dreams dissolve since the
1970s. Slowly at first, later accelerated under Reagan and absolutely—
horribly—ramrodded under Clinton. Working harder and harder for less and
less, and watching casino scammers come out on top. These people see that
there are just two corporate arms of the same plutocratic party. I know this too.
I was an activist all my life (and escaped a lucrative career in the New Class).

The anger and betrayal people feel is real. It is a death of hope and possibility,
and coupled with the gloom and doom messages of eco-reality, a worldview
that leaves people faced with the need to do real death work.

But what do liberals hand us? Hope and change and fluffy bunnies and rainbow
unicorns. Messages for teenagers and twentysomethings.

Example. Most “tea party” folks I know realize there’s something wrong with
the weather; they are scared to death of climate change, even as they argue
against the perceived cabal of scientists looking to take even more from them.
They believe firmly that they can organize far better response than faraway
professors or policymakers. As a lifelong activist and organizer, I think they
may be correcct.

Most conservatives I meet and talk to see the class war even more clearly than
the so-called “anarchists” and “Marxists” of my acquaintance (the latter are
generally rich kid slackers who’ve never had to work all that hard for anything,
and if they have, their politics is a sort of substitute for Calvinist Christian
hatred of the flesh). These conservatives have faith in their own ability to create
economic solutions, if freed to do so.

So while I don’t exactly agree with a huge portion of their methods sometimes,
I see yet again what has haunted me all my adult life:

The ascendency of the corporate mind-engineering industry (mass media), its
creation of false polarities to foist on massaged demographics to go through
the motions required for getting political power. And conservatives and liberals
alike get that one wrong. But many realize that what’s underway is an effort by
the powerful to reshape the terms of political power so that they, and only
they, can hold it.

If I were Chris Hedges I’d spend more time hanging around conservatives and
really listening. Not listening for a new column idea, or listening in order to get
argument points to make later. Just listening. He is right about Nader. He is
wrong in his blanket condemnation of all conservatives.

We have got to find a way to reach across the 20th century engineered
polarities and categories, and organize action together. Far as I can tell, liberals
have a harder time doing this, because we just can’t seem to stop sniping at
“rednecks,” “John Birchers,” “Palindrones,” and so on. Most conservatives I know respect human differences far more than my politically correct liberal friends. This has come as a terrible shock to me, as a lifelong liberal.

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By bnerin, March 4, 2010 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

Chris,
I am great admirer of your columns.  And I agree with this one; I voted for Nader
the last 3 elections. 

I have a suggestion.  The word “socialism” is so tainted, misunderstood, that it
would take too much effort to straighten out people’s mind about the word.  I
suggest a new name for a new Party - “The Realist Party”.  We need to start afresh
and that very effort sends a message that we need a voter’s revolution as the
Founding Fathers thought we needed far more often than we have seen such
revolutions.  The Greens seemed too divided now.

The Realist Party suggests what we are about - being real about reality that faces
us.

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By bogi666, March 4, 2010 at 9:17 am Link to this comment
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Inherit the wind, Gore did not want to win in 2000. It’llike he had a list of how to lose the election starting with his selection of Lieberman, who added nothing to the ticket. Next, his and the DLC strategy using Florida as the state necessary to win. In September 2000 G.W.Bush declared publicly their was no way he would lose Florida, he knew the fix was in.Greg Palast rvealed that over 90,000 votes were scrubbed from the voting lists, mostly African Americans as determined by zip codes. Also, the military absentee ballots that were counted after the voting date. Not to mention Gore’s legal strategy in Florida which was anemic. Blaming Nader is absurd, Gore didn’t want the presidency and didn’t have the guts to decline the nomination.

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By Hang The Tea Baggers, March 4, 2010 at 9:02 am Link to this comment

Where did you get the data for this statement?

“He promised us that the transfer of $12.8 trillion in taxpayer money to Wall Street would open up credit and lending to the average consumer.”

Or are bloggers exempt from backing up their hyperbole?

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By blgi666, March 4, 2010 at 8:50 am Link to this comment
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Now President O’Bushama ran his campaign on platitudes, all fluff no substance. Knowing Democrats cannot win without the liberal votes both Cliton and O’Bushama alluded to progressive and liberal principles while not being specific, characteristic of campaign rhetoric. Liberals have been snookered by the Democorpcrats and it’s time for revenge. I voted for Bob Barr as a protest vote. He was on the ballot in my state,Ga.,  so it was easy. At least Barr campaigned to eliminate the Patriot Act, restore Habeus Corpus and restore the rule of law instead of using military tribunals for crimal proceedings. All of the above are just the precursors to fascist rule which, by definition is the amalgamation of the Corporations and Government for the purpose of government financing the corporations all the while shout “free” Market when in fact their is a FLEECE MARKET ECONOMY where the government users taxpayers money to transfer to the wealthy and especially the mismanaged corporations which are bailout out without condidtions. They should be made to fail, as GOD has ordained.

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 7:57 pm Link to this comment

Thank you. Yeah, 40 years ago I was stationed in Naples.


By Shenonymous, March 3 at 7:23 pm #

stcfarms, I spoke too soon.  You are hilarious.  40 years?!  Sei un il pi
divertente
persona. Io godere quello sullo stesso livello di leggerezza tanto. Noi morire di
mattina ogni giorno.  Sorry, gerard, I couldn’t help myself.  This forum gets
too
sober and can’t see the absurdity of life for the closeness of their solemnity. 
Oh
where is Sartre, where is Camus, where is Kafka, where is Umberto Eco, or Italo
Calvino?

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By Shift, March 3, 2010 at 7:54 pm Link to this comment

No one is listening Chris.  The American People are too uninformed to hear, much less to act.  Your words are falling into the abyss.  Their ignorance will lead them to Fascism; then, as history teaches, the paranoid Fascists will begin to feed upon themselves beginning at the highest levels of government.  America will reap it’s reward with darkness enfolding the Nation.  That is our Manifest Destiny.

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By stcfarms, March 3, 2010 at 7:29 pm Link to this comment

Thank you. Yeah, 40 years ago I was stationed in Naples for 18 months.

By Shenonymous, March 3 at 7:23 pm #

stcfarms, I spoke too soon.  You are hilarious.  40 years?!  Sei un il pi
divertente
persona. Io godere quello sullo stesso livello di leggerezza tanto. Noi morire di
mattina ogni giorno.  Sorry, gerard, I couldn’t help myself.  This forum gets
too
sober and can’t see the absurdity of life for the closeness of their solemnity. 
Oh
where is Sartre, where is Camus, where is Kafka, where is Umberto Eco, or Italo
Calvino?

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By rolmike, March 3, 2010 at 7:00 pm Link to this comment

first rate piece. however, i am quite pessimistic about
the chances of the sheeples to unite in anything but a
self-destructive bundle of hate that will be manipulated
by the likes of beck, gingrich and palin, who themselves
are nicely controlled. that anyone has ever taken
gingrich seriously is in some way all that needs to be
said about american political culture. from the contract
on america to this. the bush-obama presidency is
socialist all right, for military contractors, that is
the military industrial complex and for goldmann sachs.
perhaps it is not that surprising with the amount of junk
that americans now ingest as of their first day of
television that beyond certain elementary functions they
cannot think straight and that you can sell them anything
under the moon.

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