By Go Right Young Man, May 2 at 9:45 am #

“1. Still no violence and almost no arrests attributed to the Tea Party protesters.”

Tea Partiers assaulted our government and its representatives, with implied and real threats, and if you don’t believe what I’m saying “I hope you “Bleed out you’re a$$, get cancer and die,” you @%&())*&^$%$#!

“2. Last week, police had to clear Lafayette Park across the street from the White House because DADT protesters became so rowdy.”

Actually the protestors were very good to the police. They even locked themselves to a fence in order to make it easier for the police to arrest them; is that rowdy? The police got rowdy and drove away the reporters that were there to report on the protest.

“In place of simple and respectful listening most in the media and the democratic party have recited the unsupported mantra, Nazi’s accusing protesters of being crazy, hateful, racists and dangerous.”

Your wrong about this. “Most in the media and the democratic party” were very aware of the lack of, “Simple and respectful listening.” Regarding the mantra, the media was split as were the left and right. The right (Nazis) and a very large part of the media were accusing Obama of being crazy, hateful, a racist and dangerous. The rest of the media, and the left were simply playing recorded audio and video clips. There were some mouths agape,  some laughter, and a few heads shaking in disgust by a few democrats and members of the media, but the analysis of the Tea Partiers was accurate and without exaggeration. There’s talk of Pulitzer prizes because of the left wing, communist, corporate owned, media’s restraint.

“Here’s the problem.  a. many of these protesters are “independent voters”.  In other words; the people who actually decide elections! b. the only violence we’ve observed has been directed toward the Tea Party protesters.  Not from them!”

Don’t you mean here are the problems? You’ve listed problems a. and b. so that would be more than one problem. Who made you the problem identifier? I could list problems a. through z., if I was as the problem guy. “Spill baby spill,” for example, or Tea Party Healthcare (I hope you bleed out you’re a$$, get cancer and die,) would be just two of the problems I’d list. I don’t see these independents as being much of a problem. Their political acuity and intelligence could be a problem, but them personally, no. There was very little violence; some harsh words, fear mongering, character assassination, racial slurs, spitting, broken windows, incitements, and whatnot, but very little head busting, bloody noses, and such. As I recall, there was some rough stuff by union coats, and the very distasteful incident where an old man was being beaten, so he bit off a finger that happened into his mouth. There was the guy in the wheel chair, but that was just imbecilic cruelty, not actual violence. There was also some scoffing at human suffering as I recall, but the actual violence was criticized, and deemed to be politically counter productive, so it was kept under control, for the most part.

Go Right Young Man (Cont.)

“A recent Pew Poll holds plenty of bad news for all in the congress. Congress’s favorability ratings stand at 25%, the lowest in the poll’s nearly three decade-long history. The Pew Poll also found that the more upset independents are about the current state of politics, the more likely they are to throw out the Democrats. The independents that are most upset favor Republicans 66% to 13%.”

“The poll, which surveyed 2,505 adults in mid-March, does provide one irrefutable “talking point” for Republicans …”

I don’t really find poll analysis interesting, or worthwhile. I just don’t want your candidates to win. Obama and the democrats are terrible, but the candidates you support will be worse.

“I will say it again.  Denigrating these protesters has been a monumental, closed-minded, and bigoted mistake.  Listening would have been much simpler, less costly and “open-minded”.

I hate it when the denigrators get denigrated; I’m always for the little guy. I also don’t like it when bigots are the victims of reverse bigotry. Throwing this word bigot around is really closed minded. An open mind realizes that we’re all capable of being bigots. Take me for example; I am absolutely 100% (or more) intolerant of your beliefs, which makes me a bigot. In your case, I’m a monumental bigot. I’m so monumentally bigoted where you’re concerned, that there is a tour bus that comes around everyday to see me.

Listen, I’ve become so monumentally bigoted just from reading your tripe, that if I had to listen, too, I’d be such a big monument they could see me from outer space.

1. Still no violence and almost no arrests attributed to the Tea Party protesters.

2. Last week, police had to clear Lafayette Park across the street from the White House because DADT protesters became so rowdy.

In place of simple and respectful listening most in the media and the democratic party have recited the unsupported mantra accusing protesters of being crazy, hateful, racists, Nazi’s and dangerous.

Here’s the problem.  a. many of these protesters are “independent voters”.  In other words; the people who actually decide elections! b. the only violence we’ve observed has been directed toward the Tea Party protesters.  Not from them!

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A recent Pew Poll holds plenty of bad news for all in the congress. Congress’s favorability ratings stand at 25%, the lowest in the poll’s nearly three decade-long history. The Pew Poll also found that the more upset independents are about the current state of politics, the more likely they are to throw out the Democrats. The independents that are most upset favor Republicans 66% to 13%.

I will say it again.  Denigrating these protesters has been a monumental, closed-minded, and bigoted mistake.  Listening would have been much simpler, less costly and “open-minded”.

LIFE IN THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS A DEPRESSIVE HELL HOLE FOR ALL AMERICANS

The american people whose lives, day in and day out, pass in a monotony of boredom and hopelessness are the majority; they are the mainstay of the american society. The alarm of mobilization breaks into their lives like a promise; the familiar and long-hated is overthrown, and the new and unusual reigns in its place. Changes still more incredible are in store for them in the future. For better or worse? For the better, of course because what can seem worse to the american than the conditions that they live in this capitalist hell of suffering and pain?

And the world that great numbers of people know and experience on a daily basis: the world of work, or lack of work, the vast and complicated series of everyday social relationships, the startling changes in life in recent decades, the enormous inequalities and iniquities, the slipping into the social abyss of so many, the struggle to keep one’s head above water that characterizes the lives of tens of millions in the USA and billions worldwide… and the emotional conditions, the drama, tragedy and comedy associated with all that

KILL THE MINUTE MEN, KILL TEA BAGGERS, kill Republican Party, kill the free markets.  they are bad for my health !!!

THE MAIN ENEMY AND BLOCK OF THE USA LEFT ARE THE PROGRESSIVE-LIBERALS.  PROGRESSIVE LIBERALS ARE CENTRISTS, THEY ARE ANTI-MARX, ANTI-SOCIALISM, AND PRO-FREE MARKETS.  WHAT PROGRESSIVE-LIBERALS WANT IS A CAPITALISM WITH A HUMAN FACE.  THEY DON’T WANT SOCIALISM (STATE-OWNERSHIP AND WORKERS-OWNERSHIP OF THE LARGE COMPANIES OF USA)

PROGESSIVE LIBERALS ARE MIDDLE CLASS CITIZENS, WHO ARE NOT DESPERATE, WHO LIVE A GOOD LIFE AND WHO HAVE STABLE JOBS.  ONLY LOW-WAGE WORKERS, UNEMPLOYED, SICK, HOMELESS AND AMERICANS BEATING THE BULLETS IN RURAL AMERICAN SMALL TOWNS CAN TURN TO SOCIALISM, BUT NOT PROGRESSIVE RICH LIBERALS WHO HAVE HIGH PAYING JOBS, NICE CARS, AND A NICE LIFE.

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——yeah Murphy—-White man bad—brown man poor victim—-look at your own shadow—we all cast one—-

In all the countries, around this World, where the white man has invaded, disease, destitution and death have regularly followed.

TRUE AND THANKS FOR THE HISTORY GERARD: In a Democracy things aren’t all one way or another. Americans of all colors have paid serious dues.Is our
history blemished—you bet—but many of us do live in (as far as it is possible)a race free America. Whites are no more prejudiced than any other race. The sad part is that economic politics are manipulated by use of the “race card”. I respect your ethnicity but it makes you no more special than any other American. The diversity should make us stronger. I know it strengthens me.

  We have all become characterisations of ourselves. I had a friend who was convinced I thought Jesus had blond hair and blue eyes. It is important we see each other as Americans first and, as a free people of many colors. Many of these liberal rants supposed to make us all see the error of our collective way only bind us in a view that seems to me somehow less than superstition.

—-should be “unable”—-not “ubabel”—sorry—

The difference between any given man and woman is less than the total range of differences within either individual sex. This is also true of American ethnicity. The author, suspicious of the situation and ubable to find any real substance for her suspicion (unable to label the man an “uncle tom”), hits on the idea that he wants to be thought of as an American first for ridicule.

  The kneejerk race baiters who have jumped on the recent Arizona illegals law with claptrap rants just can’t accept the fact that those of us in border states who experience real crime and impact just want current law enforced. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

    I’m an American—not an Americaaaan!! What angers the professional race baiters and outright racists is that that some of us are Americans first and ethnicity is way down on the list in our daily dealings with one another.

The following statement torques my jaw:

After the Revolutionary War, and because of the institution of African slavery, the idea of African-Americans became unthinkable to Euro-Americans.

With this statement, Ms Dawkins betrays an unforgivable ignorance of US history. The ‘uthinkability’ to which she refers was already a CENTURY old by the time of the Revolution. After around 1650, the Colonies began instituting so-called anti-miscegenation laws, prohibiting the marriage and cohabitation of so-called Whites and so-called Negroes (one of the ways used to enforce the prohibition was to render conditions of servitude inheritable from the Mother’s side, to discourage White women from having offspring with ‘Negro’ men). In short, the prejudice that these barbaric statutes expressed was already a century-old outlook among the Colonists at the time of the Revolution. Even in his Notes on Virginia, Thomas Jefferson mentions the savage myth that Orangutan kidnapped Negro women as mates as evidence of some perverted belief that the Negro was different from the ordinary ‘human’
Until Americans eliminate from their own understanding of human beings the savagely cruel concept of race, the myth and superstitions that racism comprehends will continue to dominate their understanding of themselves and their society (If Ms Obama were a so-called White, then the Obama children would still be thought of as Negro - like the good Virginian belief in the one-drop rule).
If you know your history and choose to express it in the the currency of ‘race’, then you should understand that Americans are all American Negroes: it is in large part from the womb of their poignant history that our understanding of ourselves was born!
To be American in the traditional sense that the motto expresses, “E pluribus unum,” in the sense that Crevecoeur, de Tocqueville, Melville, Emerson, Adams, and Zangwil expressed, is to be, in the modern lingo, African-American - in a word, American.

me thinks I agree with McTN.  i was lost after the 15th twist there, Plato

T-S is playing that age-old game Marxists play of making up terms, NOT defining them, then acting as if they are self-evident.  Orwell called it “Newspeak”.

“THE DEATH OF THE AYN RAND’S EGOCENTRIC LIBERTARIAN SATANIC EVIL IDEOLOGY”

WTF does this MEAN?  Libertarians are as close to Rand as Torquemada was to Jesus Christ. Rand was an Atheist, just like Marxist-Leninists.

“Self-interest evangelicals”

WTF are these? Sounds like Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell to me.

“self-oriented rationalism”

WTF does THIS mean? Does that mean if I’m smart enough to come in out of the rain, I’m somehow evil?  That’s rational and self-oriented.

“rationalist fundamentalism”

WTF is THAT?  Sounds like some sort of reaction to the same Robertson and Falwell.  Or is that being RATIONAL is fundamental.  If so, WTF is wrong with that???

“Theory of Self-Interest”

WTF is THAT?  it’s never defined.  What does it mean?  What does it imply?  Where is its testability?  It’s a “Theory”, therefore it must be definable and testable.

See, T-S just is just following in the footsteps of the radicals of the ‘60’s and ‘70’s who just threw out bullshit terms like they actually MEANT something.  I lived with and around that shit for decades.

T-S is nothing but a religious fanatic, no different than the posters here who continually preach The Bible and use their own made-up meaningless phrases like “Family Values” and “Pro-Life”, and “Take Back America”.  The only difference is T-S has Marx as his bible and Socialism as his religion.

He argues for a Socialist Taliban, even happily praying for “The Dictatorship of the Proletariat”.

Huh?

Methinks you’ve overreached.

THE DEATH OF THE AYN RAND’S EGOCENTRIC LIBERTARIAN SATANIC EVIL IDEOLOGY

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/28-4

Have you noticed that a lot of people seem to think that appeals to self-interest lead to a moral and just society?

No, I’m not merely talking about economists.  Self-interest evangelicals have been spreading the good news for decades in public policy programs, political science departments, and financial institutions too.  Converts can be found in environmental organizations that tell us we’ll save on our energy bills if only we change those light bulbs.  And blind zealots run polling companies that deploy the doctrine of self-oriented rationalism when they tell us that the preferences of individuals exist in a meaningful way to be measured—with nary an inkling that the way polls are conducted might influence how people respond.

Is self-interest fundamentalism dying?  Cracks are certainly spreading through its foundations, as I’ll discuss in a moment.  The more important questions we need to grapple with are whether it should die away and, if so, with what should we replace it? Consider your answers to these questions.  I’ll share some of mine below.

Yes, rationalist fundamentalism still has a stranglehold on society.  It’s meteoric rise to dominance goes all the way back to the nuclear arms race that poured truckloads of cash from public coffers into defense contractor piggy banks through the “game” of mutually assured destruction during the Cold War.  We saw it clearly during the Vietnam War when “body counts” laid the foundation for an entire generation of video game players to score points by killing more enemies—never mind that we were slaughtering innumerable civilians.

And, of course, it was only a matter of time before schools fell under the knife of test-based bookkeeping to “hold students accountable” to rationalist ideals of performance measurement—at the expense of actual learning.  A web of trans-national organizations have come into existence—the World Trade Organization, International Monetary Fund, and World Bank being the best known—that push the ideology of self-interest into the center stage of world affairs.

Theory of Self-Interest: A Creation Story
How could an impoverished model of human-as-self-focused-calculating-machine have ever come into being?  A common myth is that self-interest theories rose out of behavioral studies conducted by psychologists.  A nice bedtime story perhaps, but it isn’t true.  Would you believe me if I told you the behavioral model underlying the global economy came, not from the human sciences, but from mathematics?