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Damon Terrell speaks to demonstrators at the state Capitol in Madison, Wis., during a series of protests against a then-pending bill to eliminate collective bargaining rights for many state workers. Last Friday Gov. Scott Walker signed the legislation into law.

By Chris Hedges

The liberal class is discovering what happens when you tolerate the intolerant. Let hate speech pollute the airways. Let corporations buy up your courts and state and federal legislative bodies. Let the Christian religion be manipulated by charlatans to demonize Muslims, gays and intellectuals, discredit science and become a source of personal enrichment. Let unions wither under corporate assault. Let social services and public education be stripped of funding. Let Wall Street loot the national treasury with impunity. Let sleazy con artists use lies and deception to carry out unethical sting operations on tottering liberal institutions, and you roll out the welcome mat for fascism.

The liberal class has busied itself with the toothless pursuits of inclusiveness, multiculturalism, identity politics and tolerance—a word Martin Luther King never used—and forgotten about justice. It naively sought to placate ideological and corporate forces bent on the destruction of the democratic state. The liberal class, like the misguided democrats in the former Yugoslavia or the hapless aristocrats in the Weimar Republic, invited the wolf into the henhouse. The liberal class forgot that, as Karl Popper wrote in “The Open Society and Its Enemies,” “If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them.” 

Workers in this country paid for their rights by suffering brutal beatings, mass expulsions from company housing and jobs, crippling strikes, targeted assassinations of union leaders and armed battles with hired gun thugs and state militias. The Rockefellers, the Mellons, the Carnegies and the Morgans—the Koch Brothers Industries, Goldman Sachs and Wal-Mart of their day—never gave a damn about workers. All they cared about was profit. The eight-hour workday, the minimum wage, Social Security, pensions, job safety, paid vacations, retirement benefits and health insurance were achieved because hundreds of thousands of workers physically fought a system of capitalist exploitation. They rallied around radicals such as “Mother” Jones, United Mine Workers’ President John L. Lewis and “Big” Bill Haywood and his Wobblies as well as the socialist presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs.

Lewis said, “I have pleaded your case from the pulpit and from the public platform—not in the quavering tones of a feeble mendicant asking alms, but in the thundering voice of the captain of a mighty host, demanding the rights to which free men are entitled.”

Those who fought to achieve these rights endured tremendous suffering, pain and deprivation. It is they who made possible our middle class and opened up our democracy. The elite hired goons and criminal militias to evict striking miners from company houses, infiltrate fledgling union organizations and murder suspected union leaders and sympathizers. Federal marshals, state militias, sheriff’s deputies and at times Army troops, along with the courts and legislative bodies, were repeatedly used to crush and stymie worker revolts. Striking sugar cane workers were gunned down in Thibodaux, La., in 1887. Steel workers were shot to death in 1892 in Homestead, Pa. Railroad workers in the Pullman strike of 1894 were murdered. Coal miners at Ludlow, Colo., in 1914 and at Matewan, W.Va., in 1920 were massacred. Our freedoms and rights were paid for with their courage and blood.

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American democracy arose because those consciously locked out of the system put their bodies on the line and demanded justice. The exclusion of the poor and the working class from the systems of power in this country was deliberate. The Founding Fathers deeply feared popular democracy. They rigged the system to favor the elite from the start, something that has been largely whitewashed in public schools and by a corporate media that has effectively substituted myth for history. Europe’s poor, fleeing to America from squalid slums and workhouses in the 17th and 18th centuries, were viewed by the privileged as commodities to exploit. Slaves, Native Americans, indentured servants, women, and men without property were not represented at the Constitutional Conventions. And American history, as Howard Zinn illustrated in “The People’s History of the United States,” is one long fight by the marginalized and disenfranchised for dignity and freedom. Those who fought understood the innate cruelty of capitalism.

“When you sell your product, you retain your person,” said a tract published in the 1880s during the Lowell, Mass., mill strikes. “But when you sell your labour, you sell yourself, losing the rights of free men and becoming vassals of mammoth establishments of a monied aristocracy that threatens annihilation to anyone who questions their right to enslave and oppress. Those who work in the mills ought to own them, not have the status of machines ruled by private despots who are entrenching monarchic principles on democratic soil as they drive downwards freedom and rights, civilization, health, morals and intellectuality in the new commercial feudalism.”

As Noam Chomsky points out, the sentiment expressed by the Lowell millworkers predated Marxism.


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By Litl Bludot, March 21, 2011 at 4:36 pm Link to this comment

NADER DEMANDS PUBLIC HEARINGS IN EVERY US DISTRICT THAT HAS NUCLEAR PLANT TO CLOSE THEM AND NO MORE LICENSING

phone Washington White House 202 456 1111

Nuclear industry and Obama playing Russian Roulette with the American People
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/why_are_we_playing_russian_roulette

“closed monetized minds”, Obama, energy secretary Chou, will not meet with nuclear power critics, but only with nuclear corporate allies, technological insanity, won’t be financed by bankster, but only by taxpayers.  Closed “monetized minds” in Washington.  Obama’s rush to defend nuclear power by Obama, a cheerleader for Nuclear polluters. Obama likes “clean coal”, and hides continuing oil disaster in Gulf

NADER DEMANDS IMPEACHMENT OF OBAMA AS WAR CRIMINAL

“Many legal experts know that Obama is committing war crimes and should be impeached, veterans for peace want us out of Iraq and Afghanistan, Obama committing worse crimes than Bush in Afghanistan “innocents are being slaughters, using state secrets,  CIA engaging in illegal surveillance “running wild”, “if Bush should have been impeached, Obama should be impeached”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/daniel_ellsberg_joins_peace_activists_risking

At this time, the longer citizens wait to stop the corporate fascism takeover of the US, as described by Chris Hedges, who you people seem to follow, the less chance there is going to be to keep the planet from being destroyed by disaster capitalism, as described by Naomi Klein.  Google it, if you’re ignorant of what is happening to your country and the world by “monetized minds” the term used by Ralph Nader, the only guy that I can see that has dedicated his life to citizens of this country, has the brilliance and organizational skills, the decades of experience fighting corruption, the incredible knowledge base required to lead the effort to end the corporate fascist takeover.  The longer you people believe that Obama is a moral human being, the less chance we and all life on this planet have of making it to the next century without living in war ravaged, desolated,radioactive, toxic, ugly, lifeless world.  Please people, realize Obama is a fake, a frenemy, he will not even listen to you, he is a tool of the corporate fascists.

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By sallysense, March 21, 2011 at 11:26 am Link to this comment

(so are you part of the solution ?... or part of the problem ?)... smile

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By Leefeller, March 20, 2011 at 3:01 pm Link to this comment

Anacissie,

Think I am catching onto this how this Anarchy thing works!

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By Anarcissie, March 20, 2011 at 10:21 am Link to this comment

Replying to trolls, spammers, monomaniacs, and those who are stupid by preference simply multiplies their effect.  Of course sometimes the temptation to indulge in humor at their expense is irresistible.

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By Notorious Nuno, March 20, 2011 at 10:14 am Link to this comment

DEATH TO THESE DEMONS!!! WE NEED TO PUT FEAR INTO THESE FUDGEPACKERS & ALL REPUBLICUNTS WHO ENFORCE FASCISM ON THE PEOPLE!!! WE NEED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF A FEW TO PROTECT THE MANY, THOSE WHO SUFFER THROUGHOUT LIFE AS A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS!!! WE NEED TO PROTECT THE POOR, THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE AMERICAN DREAM!!! WE NEED TO SEND THESE SOULLESS BASTARDS BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!

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By sallysense, March 20, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

hiya anarcissie… don’t we all contribute to the conditions of this world in one way or another ?...

(and on another note… just wanna further clarify my earlier comment concerning refuting facts…

among the tactics that get used for deceptive manipulation…

is throwing facts in one’s face as though one may have refuted the facts…

and then adding more deceptive manipulative tactics while doing that…

and do ya ever notice how corporate media does this same thing too ?)...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By Notorious, March 20, 2011 at 8:56 am Link to this comment
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DEATH TO THESE DEMONS!!! WE NEED TO PUT FEAR INTO THESE COCKSUCKERS & ALL REPUBLICUNTS WHO ENFORCE FASCISM ON THE PEOPLE!!! WE NEED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF A FEW TO PROTECT THE MANY, THOSE WHO SUFFER THROUGHOUT LIFE AS A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS!!! WE NEED TO PROTECT THE POOR, THE MIDDLE CLASS, AND THE AMERICAN DREAM!!! WE NEED TO SEND THESE SOULLESS BASTARDS BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!

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By Anarcissie, March 19, 2011 at 11:00 pm Link to this comment

I strongly doubt that my declining to answer every troll and spammer on the Internet—to say nothing of the bozos and the one-track fanatics—has contributed anything to the condition of the world one way or another.

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By sallysense, March 19, 2011 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment

am only me leefeller… and sure don’t wanna be anyone else…

we can’t help to make things better if we let deceptive tactics go on and do nothing about it…

and to instead create more superficial things to busy oneself with…

rather than do something about the deceptive methods being used…

may be entertaining for some…

but it sure doesn’t do anything to help rid deception itself…

so just what is it that you actually seriously care about ?...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By Leefeller, March 19, 2011 at 11:44 am Link to this comment

I don’t know about you;  I am getting the feeling Sally Sense is attempting to horn in on Tao Walkers Turtle Island?

Damn it I just made the great revilation; SS are Sally Senses initials?.... (a connotation?) SS,loose the happy face already,..... I find it annoying, distracting, disturbing, grating, tormenting and it bothers me too!

But now that I think on it, a lot of things bother me!

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By sallysense, March 19, 2011 at 11:38 am Link to this comment

hiya anarcissie…

to let deception go on…

and not respond to it…

is the very thing that’s been allowing the state of this country to get worse…

look around this country and see for yourself…

or re-read chris hedges’ article and see for yourself how he talks about it…

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By Anarcissie, March 19, 2011 at 10:26 am Link to this comment

The use of automated participants in online forums goes back many years, back to the bulletin-board systems of the ‘70s and ‘80s.  I can’t see much use in it when there are so many real people ready to spam and troll on behalf of their cause.  So this particular story about the Pentagon may be a hoax.

One of the favorite tactics of a troll is to accuse other participants of trolling.  Trolls also frequently work in teams and set up fake arguments about hot issues in which each troll posts intemperate, stupid messages from seemingly opposed sides.  The regular participants then join in while the trolls laugh all their way to their next exploit.

If you don’t want to be suckered by this sort of thing, don’t respond to stupid, intemperate messages.

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By sallysense, March 19, 2011 at 9:48 am Link to this comment

hiya folks… don’t try to turn something into something it’s not…

am in full agreement with ralph nader on that… (and have also voted for him several times)... so don’t try using those tactics with me…

it’s the same deceptive tactics that our country’s governmental misbehavior uses to try to sway the public…

and it’s not being fair nor honest…

re-read my comments… where in my comments do you see me refuting any facts themselves ?...

that didn’t happen… so don’t make it look it did happen…

it’s being deceptive and unfair and dishonest to make something look it happened when it didn’t happen…

had simply asked you…

who are the people who you are referring to?...

and where are the people you are referring to ?...

and which people here is it that you are talking to ?...

and isn’t it being hypocritical to condemn other name-callers while using name-calling yourself ?...

now if you want to avoid answering these simple questions asked of you concerning your comments…

go ahead and avoid answering them…

but trying to use opinionated thoughts as a substitute for not answering questions… still doesn’t answer those questions…

and those are the same deceptive tactics that our country’s governmental misbehavior uses to try to sway the public…

and those tactics are not being fair nor honest…

and people should be aware of what they are and not use them…

those same tactics are being used to feed people lynch mob mentalities that want to kill people who expose the truth…

we need the truth… plain and simple… fairly and honestly… without deceptively sneaking manipulative tactics of other ulterior motives into it…

so will you be fair and honest and simply answer those previous questions asked of you concerning your comments ?...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By Leefeller, March 19, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment

Virtual blogger plants vs human blogger plants? ......You are now in the Truth Dig virtual Twilight zone!

Why not!.... You know computers are people too! So virtual plants instead of inhuman Republican shrills or those Whiny Nader, Naders may be preferred?  How about those big shot Koch Brothers and their puppet Tea Bags. a little virtual reality would seem a big improvement! Don’t forget the not so smart Fox they may become a whole lot smarter. There is always the enabling Democrats, they should have their shrilling plants too, maybe then they would stand for something? Don’t forget the foreign money Chamber or Commerce they could be paid with virtual foreign money. And what of corporations, they cannot be virtual because according to the Supremes, they are people too, instead;.......just now virtual people!

If buttering my bread meant shrilling, why not virtual? If I am smart I will shrill for highest benefactor, after all shrillers until now have been people, so why is virtual different?

What of lobbyists? So why not virtual plants, instead of human ones? Eliminating those alleged human lobbyists running the halls of congress like rats at a New York Taco Bell would seem a pleasant change. Plus think of the Congressional non union Janitors being happy, without all those rat droppings!

After thinking about it, I may be the only poster here who is a real human,... potted or not….. Though on occasion I have been known to shrill!  I think Tequila has saved me from a virtual demise, go ahead and try a shot or three of Tequila on a virtual plant and see what happens!

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By kulturcritic, March 19, 2011 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

For those who don’t believe what Lil BluDot is saying about fake US social media-
plants, check out this link!! 

http://ezinearticles.com/?Full-Metal-Jacket&id=3601520

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By Litl Bludot, March 19, 2011 at 1:54 am Link to this comment

Katsteevns, sallysense is not a person, not a thinking person, or a person with
a soul, it’s an artificial intelligence with no substance, just clever remarks that
never discuss but always label.  It’s rightwing, fascist propaganda persona. 

There was a bit on the headlines of DN today about US Pentagon hiring a
California firm to develop software to plant fake personas on sites, like this
one, to neutralize criticism of them, the government, etc.  here is the summary:

“U.S. Develops Social Media Propaganda Software
The Pentagon is developing software to secretly influence social media by
developing fake online personas that can sway internet chatting on comment
boards to reflect U.S. government propaganda. The Guardian of London reports
a California-based firm has won a contract to create an “online persona
management service” that would let military personnel control up to 10
separate fake identities at once. The identities would be used to respond to
relevant online content with blog posts, tweets, chat comments and other forms
of interaction. A military spokesperson said foreign audiences would be
targeted, as it would be illegal to use the technology on U.S. citizens.”

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/headlines#9

the handle “sallysense” with the cute voice, the always personal attack, never
refuting any facts, fits the profile perfectly.  IMO, it should be ignored, and
perhaps investigated by TRUTHDIG to see if it is a real person, although the
software is probable a bit too sophisticated to expose.  Perhpas not.

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By katsteevns, March 19, 2011 at 12:47 am Link to this comment

SALLYSENSE, Well, we can begin with every stockholder, all of whom rely on the labor of others to accumulate their wealth. Without the public ownership of the means of production, all the rights of a worker will eventually be lost. Then we can name all those who participate in preemptive war from the general to the private, along with all those who participate in the mechanisms that support war. This includes a majority of the population to some degree, most of whom will not even udder the words capitalism or class warfare because it is “uncool”.

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By sallysense, March 18, 2011 at 8:36 pm Link to this comment

hiya kat steevns… who are those folks who refuse to see these things ?...

just where are these people who you are referring to ?...

who is it that you are talking to ?... smile

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By katsteevns, March 18, 2011 at 8:02 pm Link to this comment

Those who refuse to see that “CAPITALISM” is destroying the planet and enslaving MOST of it’s people…THOSE are the REAL zombies. Never mind actually DOING something about it. Don’t acknowledge the problem and you don’t have to solve it. Save face and keep your way of life by trying to cure the symptoms. Our kid’s future is going down the toilet. But who cares, we won’t be around to watch.

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By sallysense, March 18, 2011 at 6:02 pm Link to this comment

hiya litl bludot… so why is necessary for you to resort to labeling folks “obamazombies”... isn’t that being a bit hypocritical ?...

(and please don’t imply that all the folks here ( including me) deserve that label… because it’s simply not true)...

so just where are these people that you’re referring to ?...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By sallysense, March 18, 2011 at 5:49 pm Link to this comment

yeah leefeller… as comments around here will show you… there’s a big difference between propaganda condemnation… and conscientious contemplation… smile

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By Litl Bludot, March 18, 2011 at 4:47 pm Link to this comment

It is necessary for the Obamazombies to resort to labeling those who detail the crimes Obama has committed instead of addressing the issue of his certain criminality. 

I don’t expect any change of awareness on their part.  It is necessary to draw out these supporters of war crimes, domestic spying, corporate graft and corruption, government/corporate poisoning of our planet,  recognize their rationalizations, and then be able to ignore and marginalize them.  They really aren’t civilized anymore.  They are facsimiles of what had been at one time, possibly, a humane person. They have become unconscious collaborators to all of the above.

The most relevant discussion concerning the Japanese nuke disaster, Obama’s response to it, the nuclear industry, Ralph Nader’s analysis-which is clear, concise, and intellectually honest.  Obamazombies should watch it and then comment here.  I would love to hear their rationalizations for their continued support of the creep.  It is fascinating to read their blustering self delusion.  My thought is that the mind set is identical to what happened in Germany prior to the nazis takeover.  Good, literate Germans somehow ended up cheering in the streets for a mass murdering maniac in league with the corporate fascists of the day.

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/underestimating_the_seriousness_of_the_problem

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By Leefeller, March 18, 2011 at 3:45 pm Link to this comment

On a regular basis I have seen comments from obvious right wing Republican/Tea Bags, voicing their freedom of speech and displaying their concepts of higher intelligence by saying; sic “you liberals and that fascist Obama are a bunch of bottom sucking socialist commies”!

Then we see unprecedented loftiness of self deluded intelligence displaying tidbits of philosophic wisdom from people who portray themselves to be progressive or possibly liberal and surly more like where the sun don’t shine, offering sanctimonious comments; 

“Really, there seems to be no limit to the despicable acts Obama can commit, or fascist policies he’ll
defend,  and yet still be praised by these seemingly rational, literate Democrat “liberal” “progressive” hypocrites.”

I find little difference in either comment, except both of them refrained in supposed politeness to add the valuable facts; that Obama is a black, Obama is a Muslim and Obama is not an Amarican but a firiner and was born in someplace called Kennia!

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By Steve E, March 18, 2011 at 3:06 pm Link to this comment

Since impeachment has been mentioned, I put forward the fact that Barry has
aided and abetted the criminal financial wizards that have raped and almost
destroyed this nation. You could throw in obstruction of justice as icing on the
cake. “no one is above the law” my ass.

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By Litl Bludot, March 18, 2011 at 3:03 pm Link to this comment

katsteevns,

Thanks for the reply.  Yeh, Chris Hedges has described what’s happened to
the “liberal class”.  It gives me pleasure, though, as JA has articulated, to
“expose the bastards”, or something like that.,,,, It’s interesting to see the
variations of arguments these supposedly humane Democrats used to justify
their support of Obama.  It is getting more poignant the more creepy the guy
gets, the more obvious it is that he’s the fascist corporate fixer, their top
“powerpimp” as I like to call him.  I know,,,,, but Bill Clinton is one too, (Bush Jr.
as well) and he is,,,,let’s see,,, what,,,

At this point, I can see these “progressive, liberal” Democrats accepting
anything, and I mean anything, i.e. cattle cars of domestic “terrorists” driven off
to prisons (ones run by GE, or Lockheed, or FOX, etc.)  Really, there seems to be
no limit to the despicable acts Obama can commit, or fascist policies he’ll
defend,  and yet still be praised by these seemingly rational, literate Democrat
“liberal” “progressive” hypocrites.

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By Bill Michtom, March 18, 2011 at 2:56 pm Link to this comment
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Far be it for me to dispute Chris Hedges or Noam Chomsky, but this “the sentiment expressed by the Lowell millworkers predated Marxism” is flat out wrong.

The sentiment was expressed in The Communist Manifesto in 1848: “These labourers, who must sell themselves piecemeal, are a commodity, like every other article of commerce, and are consequently exposed to all the vicissitudes of competition, to all the fluctuations of the market.”

“As privates of the industrial army they are placed under the command of a perfect hierarchy of officers and sergeants. Not only are they slaves of the bourgeois class, and of the bourgeois State; they are daily and hourly enslaved by the machine, by the overlooker, and, above all, by the individual bourgeois manufacturer himself. The more openly this despotism proclaims gain to be its end and aim, the more petty, the more hateful and the more embittering it is.”

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By TAO Walker, March 18, 2011 at 2:52 pm Link to this comment

“c. hanna” claims to “....have the files to prove….” the nutsoid (and completely false) allegations s/he makes about this Old Savage.  Let’s see ‘em.  And what part of “no kind of ‘American’ (“native” or otherwise) at-all” is it so hard to understand, for this CONveniently anonymous “individual” who is exhibiting here some telling signs of being a CONgenital liar?

“sallysense,” as usual, doesn’t make a whole helluvalot of sense in her latest offensive sally here.  She is also being (habitually?) egregious in her disingenuousness, too. 

This Old Medicine Man has admitted, several times, to real deficiencies in the “bedside manner” of offerings made here over these past four years.  No “secret” has been made, either, of this Person’s lack of much sympathy for the mostly “self”-inflicted plight of theamericanpeople….who seem to expect the same kind of adulation from even us Peoples who’ve survived their murderous assault, on us and Turtle Island, that they lavish so obsessively and incessantly on their own collective “self,” which does include, of course, many “self”-proclaimed “Native Americans”....but no Free Wild Natives of Turtle Island at-all.

This is supposed to be “TRUTHdig” here.  Those who just can’t stand the truth about their own “self,” and their ‘kind,’ should maybe find some virtual forum more CONgenial to their need for the CONtinual feel-good reinforcement of their too-precious “self”-esteem.

Meantime, “c. hanna” (whoever s/he is “at-home”) is invited to put-up or shut-up, “prove it”-wise.

HokaHey!

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By Leefeller, March 18, 2011 at 2:51 pm Link to this comment

I cannot help but notice, when someone speaks for everyone else they always seem to be putting words in my mouth and a foot in their own mouth!  Now, I do not know who the better at it is; those, U full of self righteousness alleged liberals or those fornicating conservatives?

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By sallysense, March 18, 2011 at 2:50 pm Link to this comment

hiya leefeller… and yet another president that this’un didn’t vote for… (and didn’t vote for the present one either)... smile

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By katsteevns, March 18, 2011 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

Oh, and someone called for Obama’s impeachment? Well, IT’S ABOUT G%# D@&# TIME!!!!!!!

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By katsteevns, March 18, 2011 at 2:33 pm Link to this comment

LITL BLUDOT said:

“Just wondering if any of the liberals here who voted for the creep are able to
recognize that they made the wrong decision…”

The only thing you are going to hear, Litl Bludot, is your own heartbeat. lol It doesn’t matter that Obama is a criminal, only as long as your vote wasn’t “wasted”.
The status quo is our God. “So, get on your knees like everyone else who’s anybody!!!”

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By Litl Bludot, March 18, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Ralph Nader calling for impeachment of Obama for war crimes and domestic
crimes, very end of segment of Democracy Now.
I know almost all good Democrats think that only Republicans commit
impeachable acts, not the charming, Harvard educated community organizer, who
just happened to work on wall street before that, but well, let’s forget about that,
and who he’s surronded himself with, or who he’s killed and tortured, or that he’s
given away the treasury of this country to con artist banksters, or that he is
spending 12 billion a month on war, that’s all ok though, because, he’s a
Democrat, and besides, it could be worse.
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/3/18/daniel_ellsberg_joins_peace_activists_
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By Litl Bludot, March 18, 2011 at 1:48 pm Link to this comment

Since Obama is doing the same crimes and worse as Bush and Cheney, on
Democracy Now today’s show at the very end of it, in the last seconds, Ralph
Nader called for the impeachment of Obama for war crimes, and for directing the
CIA, the Treasury Department, to break laws, our laws, you know, the ones we
have to follow or get thown in jail.

Just wondering if any of the liberals here who voted for the creep are able to
recognize that they made the wrong decision and should call for Obama’s
impeachment, arrest and jailing for crimes against humanity and our constitution.

Otherwise, it seems clear that it’s ok for your guy to commit crimes, but not
anyone else. .  Some may call that hypocrisy.  Besides, that’s what wing nut nazis
Republicans do, not you ethical, humanitarian, liberal Democrats.

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By Leefeller, March 18, 2011 at 12:30 pm Link to this comment

Sallysense;  Thanks for clearing that up!

PS: BY the way, not that it matters, I cannot stand happy faces, they seem so ... George Bush without the ears!

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By sallysense, March 18, 2011 at 11:43 am Link to this comment

(and also)...

if you cannot answer questions asked concerning your own comments…
and you quickly change the subject to avoid your own behavior…
blaming every other name through factory-made opinion schemes…
while preaching of a system that you have no clue of how it works…
but using simple abstract terms you might assume sounds good to folks…
don’t be surprised your hypocrisy soon loses credibility!...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By c.hanna, March 17, 2011 at 10:14 pm Link to this comment

The Agent speaks!! Same writing, same person.

NATIVE AMERICANS do not speak this way (as the one that calls himself “tao walker”). It would be hilarious if it weren’t so sick. You are a demented troll agent. I have been around native americans all my life which includes relatives on one side of the family. You’re a LIAR and a psychotic.

It’s strange that Wikileaks editor is wanted by the US government, yet a site like Information Clearing House remains unperturbed even with a constant stream of violent attacks (words can be very violent) against Americans (always against the average American)....Some of the comments have called for the slaughter of ALL Americans (they always emphasize ALL), the Rape of women, joking about women in the US prostituting themselves, nuclear catastrophes aimed at America, a call for all people to spit on Americans if they see one in their country, and many other sick variants of these.

None of these comments are removed as they would be in a site that moderates their sites for hate and bigotry. Its all designed to foment rage and bigotry towards Americans. Anyone who lumps ALL Americans into one classification is not serious about stopping invasions and stopping class warfare aimed at the working classes.

The main reason the anti-war movement is losing is because the focus is not zeroing in on the entire problem, which involves not only the US but the EU Canada and other so-called “allies”. Particularly the problem concerning the “City of London” which few people talk about but has considerable power and sway in what goes on in Washington.

It should be clear what I am talking about with the UN decision for a No-Fly zone against Libya, which amounts to saying to Libya “you can’t fly in your own country, but we are going to bomb you even if you don’t”. Sarkozy and Cameron are largely behind this, because they are pushing for an North African Union (which circles around the Mediteranean).

So, anyone that wants to keep attacking only Americans in this is part of the problem, and an agent, as I know Tao Walker to be.

I could care less I get banned here. ...people deserve to be warned and I will expose these people where I see them. Which is in several sites.

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By Leefeller, March 17, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

You know I have been reading Tao Walker for many years now and this is no…... Tao Walker?

I have it from a very unreliable source, Tao Walker is really a Jewish house wife from the Bronx, who yells a lot.  As for Tao Walker being more than one person, he/she may be one person with multiple personalties, who possibly may not be Tao Waker, really depending on the phase of the moon?  Will…. the more real Tao Walker,....please stand up!

One more thing, Tao Walkers agenda has always been quite unclear to me, so essentially I have been distracted for for some time now,......so ....what was I saying?

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By TAO Walker, March 17, 2011 at 12:54 pm Link to this comment

“c. hanna” is correct about one thing.  This Person is not a “Native American,” or any kind of “American” at-all….and has said so, in plain words, more than once here.  Everything else alleged by him/her below is dead-wrong….and frankly, my Dears, just nucking futs. 

This Old Indian has never posted comments, under any “name,” at the particular sites “c. hanna” mentions or others of their supposed ilk.  There are a couple of Persons ‘met’ here in the last four years who have swapped some e-mails with Yours Truly….something probably not all that unusual (never-mind ‘sinister’) among participants.

Us surviving Free Wild Turtle Island Natives have much better things to do than trying to “destroy America”....a make-believe CONstruct that is, and has been since its invention, roaring unstoppably down the ‘track’ to its own “self”-destruction.  That Natural Fact might be just too much for such apparently true-believers as “c. hanna” to acknowledge and accept, so s/he casts about desperately for some ‘other’ Person or People to “blame” instead, for the undeniably catastrophic collapse, here in this latter Day, of theallamericanfeverdream CONceit.   

This Old Savage has devoted a fair ‘amount’ of precious Personal attention to alerting “joe and jane” to the ‘anatomy’ of their captive CONdition, and the increasingly dire peril they’re in as a CONsequence.  They’ve been offered a specific Way to respond, all-together, to their common predicament, a Living Way that holds at-least a GhostDancers’ chance for them to be here to tell the Story of these “interesting times” to their GreatGrandChildren….around the Winter lodge-fires.

Anybody can “say” anything, of course.  “c.hanna”, based on the “self”-generated evidence s/he provides below, seems to be one of those poor misguided fools who will.  It might be good to keep that in-mind, if we’re treated here to more of those maunderings from that perhaps not-altogether-responsible “individual.”

The Living Medicine of Organic Functional Integrity, naturally present in The Tiyoshpaye Way, would be good for what ails “c. hanna,” too.

HokaHey!

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By Anarcissie, March 17, 2011 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

katsteevns—You have to pick your battles.  Congratulations on having a job, though.  Or maybe not.

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By katsteevns, March 17, 2011 at 1:07 am Link to this comment

ANARCISIE, As an anarchist, how do you remain employable? When I rebel, I get fired.  lol

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By c.hanna, March 17, 2011 at 12:41 am Link to this comment

@gerard

Tao Walker is not Native American. He has various personas that he uses in several of the “truth” and “anti-war” sites.

Go read the Information Clearing House.info comment boards. You will see the same types of comments over and over….Other sites that Tao Walker and his buddies hang out at are Anti-war.com, Dissident Voice, democratic underground.

I’ve seen them other places as well, but their intensity of American hate varies depending on the tolerance level for it by the specific site owners. They play both, or all, sides of the issue at question.

They love using the native American personas, Which is sad, because they disrespect all Native Americans by using their history and names to smear others in these website threads. I have Native American friends…they aren’t like that. Many Americans have native american ancestry in their genes.

Their agenda?

One can only speculate, but anyone that has gotten caught up with this group inadvertently (or in some cases just out of curiosity) by exchanging personal emails and having email conversation (as I have…and have files to prove it) will discover that you cannot have conversation with them. It becomes interrogative-like and really psychotic.

They target the comment threads to disrupt, belittle, and probably to keep people distracted away from the REAL status quo….Which is an international cartel that has growing control over most Media (including their growing control over internet), Governments, financial institutes, etc.

Their agenda is clear when you get to know their pattern..It’s to destroy all Americans, and specifically the average Joe/Jane.

Now that is exactly the agenda of the “cartel” I am talking about.

The U.S. has a diverse population. Even though we have our nuts and racists, we still have alot of beautiful people of all skin color, religions, and backgrounds.

As bad as things can get, there is always equally good things happening. We just continually hear the bad things.

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By Anarcissie, March 16, 2011 at 10:31 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller, March 16 at 3:57 pm:

Anarcissie,

How do anarchists plan their day and how does one go about organizing a full fledged anarchy?...... Thought I would ask!

When Elvis Presley, or maybe it was James Dean, or someone like that, was asked ‘What are you rebelling against?’ he answered ‘Whaddaya got?’

So that’s the ‘planning your day’ part….  I don’t know how you would organize a full fledged anarchy, or even one with just a few fledges.  It’s probably akin to herding cats.

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By TAO Walker, March 16, 2011 at 10:26 pm Link to this comment

What “katsteevns” says below is certainly accurate.  She describes succinctly a population gravely ill with the “civilization” disease, and notes some of its more deadly effects….the estrangement, enmity, and CONflict plaguing the “civilized” peoples, here in these latter Days, for example. 

There is Living Medicine, though, an actual cure specific to that now-gone-“global” sickness.  Some of us surviving Free Wild Peoples call it The Tiyoshpaye Way.  Like any remedy, however, it must be actually ‘taken’ to get its benefits, and that simply cannot be forced on any Person or People.

There’s really nothing else than can be usefully said about it….which is how come this Old Fool’s been here just saying it over-and-over, using words not ‘Native,’ and so probably not nearly as effectively as the need requires, or as well as just about any of our People could, instead.

HokaHey!

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By TAO Walker, March 16, 2011 at 9:54 pm Link to this comment

If “gerard” will follow her own advice, and provide some specifics about what this Old Savage has offered here that she finds particularly off-putting, and in exactly what way, maybe it could then be looked-at from the angle of her viewpoint….which this Indian has found generally to be consistently humanist and quite sincerely concerned for the worsening plight of her fellah ‘n’ gal domesticates.  Us surviving Free Wild Peoples are admittedly much less sensitive than she might prefer, to the too-tender feelings of our Sisters and Brothers currently in-thrall to the usages of the “civilization” disease’s process here in its terminal stage. 

This might be due in some small measure, as “gerard” suggests, to the almost unexceptioned record of theamericanpeople’s own ‘callousness’ (to indulge just this once in an uncharacteristic excess of descriptive understatement) toward ours.  Here in Indian Country we figure a Person or a People ought to expect to get back what they dish-out.  So we feel obligated to ‘honor’ their wishes, as made known to us in their own CONduct.

The much more pertinent factor, though, is that we have much more pressing responsibilities to attend-to, as a vital component in the immune system of our Mother Earth, than prodding our tame Human Relations to wake-up, grow-up, and start doing their share in responding therapeutically to both the presence here of the disease ‘agent,’ the tormenting entity, and the terrible ravages (like those in Japan, for instance) that its process is inflicting relentlessly (with their witless assistance) on our Living Arrangement.

This Old Savage makes no apologies for saying bluntly what we are seeing clearly, when we look at the mess these foolish peoples have made, and are now perishing-in.  Those who don’t like, and get upset-at this accurate reflection of the CONsequences to ‘the rest’ of us, of the infantile behavior of their much too-precious collective “self,” are probably unreachable anyhow.  Besides, even this Old Man, who’s been at-this task, here on this forum, for most of four years now, will soon have to turn all available precious Personal attention to “....strengthen(ing) the things that remain.” 

This is not “your” world, tame Sisters and Brothers.  You are Hers.  If that’s not good-enough for any ‘one’ of you,....well, you’re free to get the hell away from us.

ALL TOGETHER….NOW!!!!

HokaHey!

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By katsteevns, March 16, 2011 at 9:05 pm Link to this comment

All I am saying, TAO, is that it being difficult enough as it is to obtain and utilize the tools to improve life for groups of people, the difficulty is increased tenfold when trying to do so with a boot on the back of the neck. That and the culture is geared to “rugged individualism”, the downside of which few saw coming. We close ourselves off from each other in so many ways now and largely without knowing how we arrived at this place.

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By gerard, March 16, 2011 at 7:47 pm Link to this comment

Sorry for the double entry.  The shift key on this computer is too sensitive.  The
lest touch submits twice.  Sorry.

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By gerard, March 16, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

TaoWalker:  You have every right to say whatever you want to say in the way you
want to say it, and frequently you rise to downright eloquence—not to mention
the ever-present common sense of what you say.  There are times, though, when
you (understandably) resort to scorn, condescension and exaggerated
generalization that undercuts the most valuable parts of your comments.
Personally, because I value what you have to suggest about ways forward for
people who feel trapped, I feel someone needs to call you on the times when you
go a bit over the top and (in my opinion) degrade what you really want to say.
  You often refer to, directly and indirectly, historical reasons for this scorn, and I
understand that.  But most of the people who are going to be caught in the
coming disasters are not “white devils” but rather hapless people of all shades of
gray and brown are not all that different from yourself.  We are all together on a
very small sinking ship, and scorn is a leaky life-boat.

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By gerard, March 16, 2011 at 7:40 pm Link to this comment

TaoWalker:  You have every right to say whatever you want to say in the way you
want to say it, and frequently you rise to downright eloquence—not to mention
the ever-present common sense of what you say.  There are times, though, when
you (understandably) resort to scorn, condescension and exaggerated
generalization that undercuts the most valuable parts of your comments.
Personally, because I value what you have to suggest about ways forward for
people who feel trapped, I feel someone needs to call you on the times when you
go a bit over the top and (in my opinion) degrade what you really want to say.
  You often refer to, directly and indirectly, historical reasons for this scorn, and I
understand that.  But most of the people who are going to be caught in the
coming disasters are not “white devils” but rather hapless people of all shades of
gray and brown are not all that different from yourself.  We are all together on a
very small sinking ship, and scorn is a leaky life-boat.

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By TAO Walker, March 16, 2011 at 7:08 pm Link to this comment

It’s not clear to this Old Indian exactly what “katsteevns” is asking, below.  The “self” that is inflicting all the depredations of the “civilization” disease on the Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth (including most degradingly upon the same hapless “huddled masses” of domesticated Humans who are the damned things primary vectors), is the retro-viral “super-self” tormenting entity whose process manifests here as this would-be Earth-killing syndrome. 

Then there are the billions of its “mini-me’s,” the false IDentities that’ve taken possession of “individual”-ized Humans, in-effect keeping the Natural Persons they’ve displaced isolated from each other, and from all of our Kind and every Kind here, in the virtual solitary-CONfinement of their “very own” Two-legged ‘birthday-suit.’  This Person puts regularly “self” in quotation marks to indicate its essentially CONtrived, artifactual nature.

CONditions in those inner-city and rural-poverty-pocket “reservations” that “katsteevns” mentions, to which “america” systematically pre-sentences those determined by its ruling plutoligarchy to be superfluous and redundant (and more-and-more “unexceptably” burdensome [thus disposable]) to their entirely “self”-centered purposes, are (by-design?) indeed increasingly intolerable.  Getting-over their CONtrolling “self,” however, freeing the Natural Person they by-nature are, coming together as such, where they live-and-breathe every Day, in the ORGANic Form of genuine Living Human Community in aid of our Mother Earth and one another, The Tiyoshpaye Way, is still how these virtual inmates can respond to their common, “self”-inflicted predicament to genuine mutually beneficial effect.

There are signs this is already happening in at-least a few of these places….and not a minute too soon, either.

HokaHey!

HokaHey

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By redteddy, March 16, 2011 at 5:25 pm Link to this comment

‘The liberal class has busied itself with the toothless pursuits of inclusiveness,
multiculturalism, identity politics and tolerance—a word Martin Luther King never
used—and forgotten about justice.’

Absolutely the truth and it still continues to focus on these ‘toothless’ agendas’. I
don’t see this as being just a problem in the US, liberals in Europe are also failing
for the same exact reasons.

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By katsteevns, March 16, 2011 at 5:10 pm Link to this comment

“largely “self”-inflicted predicament” ?!?!?

Which neighborhood did you escape from, TAO, Watts, Bronx, Harlem, 9th Ward, somewhere in Detroit, Chicago, Boston? As a minority? Surely, you gleaned a slew of people in tow.

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By TAO Walker, March 16, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment

An obviously kind-hearted Person like “gerard” (along-with, surely, Chris Hedges and many more participating here) is understandably reluctant to contemplate the grimmer implications of the condition the CONdition of those “huddled masses” of city-dwellers she is so sincerely worried-about (and maybe ‘are’ one-of?) is in.  That there exists no institutional or technical device whatsoever to get any of ‘em out of their intensifying terminal misery, and into the viable alternative of The Tiyoshpaye Way, is likely one of the more depressing manifestations of their common, largely “self”-inflicted predicament.  That the re-emergence into our Living arrangement of their essential Humanity must happen naturally and spontaneously, or it won’t happen at-all, is no-doubt very difficult for them to accept….accustomed as they’ve become to inventing some clever technique for forcing from Nature what they think they are “entitled”-to, and so just have to have, whatever its “cost” to ‘the rest’ of Her story.

There it is, though, nevertheless.  Having tried (and failed spectacularly) to substitute the feckless fever-dreams of the puny Human “intellect” (the tiny part of all our Natural Sentience that is their grotesquely over-inflated “rational”-faculty) for the Balance and Harmony of Earth’s Natural Living Arrangement, having taken an always-doomed-to-be-DEAD-END run at setting-up their collective “self” as the “self-styled “crown-of-creation” (“the-brains” of the outfit), the virtual subspecies homo domesticus is facing, finally, THE inevitably shitty END of their damned-foolish “self”-glorifying shtick….THE END they always believed (and intended) would be visited exclusively upon us “lesser breeds” (Human and ‘other’), while they expected to enjoy “forever” only the “up-side”, the sweetest “fruits” of their rule-of-fear idiotic “dominance”-paradigm’s defining motives and methods.

Some reading this Old Indian’s description here may feel it is too “harsh.”  Isn’t it true, after-all, that our tame Sisters and Brothers have been and are being “taken-for-a-ride,” in exactly the cliched gangster-movie meaning of that phrase, by those among their own virtual Kind who’ve been most “successful” in adapting-to and exploiting the usages of a disease process?  Haven’t they been, en masse, the witless (or perhaps no more than half-witting) “victims” of a “global” CONfidence scheme, run by the most “dominant” members of that same “self”-selected “ruling-class”?  Shouldn’t they be cut a little “slack” for being perhaps at-least partly “tricked” into their own “individual” complicity in the retro-viral “rape” and attempted-“murder” of their own Mother Earth?

Yes, and yes, and they’ve got right-now today every last “inch” the “rope” we’ve had to give them.  It remains only be seen now whether they use it to lift each other out of their soon-to-be massively fatal captivity, and back into the given ‘place’ of our Kind in The Hoop of Life….or if they give-in “individual”-ly to the genuinely “black-hole” gravity of the degradation into which they’re sinking, and extinguish their “self,” put-out of their own and ALL of our misery once-and-for-all.

Us surviving Free Wild Peoples, of ALL Kinds, can still help-out our currently co-opted Human Relations, with Native Guidance and good example.  We cannot do it for them, however.

First, get-over your “self”....then you’ll be able to see clearly again The Living Tiyoshpaye Way open before you.

HokaHey!

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By gerard, March 16, 2011 at 1:49 pm Link to this comment

Those of us who talk about “civil disobedience” and “alternatives to violence”
are not ““depreciating agitation” as Not One More seems to suggest.

The facts with most of us are probably these:
1. We have lived long enough to realize the futility of violent social action which
is usually met with violent response.  And even when it “succeeds” the success
is temporary because basic causes of problems are ignored after the violence is
over.  In other words, violence does not bring reform, and often impedes it.
2.  Most of us are probably beyond the age where physical protest is practical. 
We may have health problems, money problems, family problems that make
verbal expression the only feasible resource.  By commenting, we are hoping to
find others in agreement to encourage us and to help others who can, take
action—the most constructive action possible.
3.  Most of us are probably primarily motivated to “help” though we may have
disagreements about what really “helps.”
4. Differences among us are inevitable, but when personal insult or attack
occurs, the tone of animosity naturally arises and does some damage before it
disappears. 
5.  The truth is that many of us lack confidence in each other, in others,  in
younger people, and in human beings in general.  When individuals have
problems it often seems that the entire world is going to pot.  And that may be
- certainly the USA is in deep trouble—but (though some people resent my
mentioning it over and over, as if the mentioning will cure anything!) still,
without it nobody will do anything.
So I have concluded, at least for the moment, that commenting like this is
better than not commenting.  How far it goes, how much it matters?  Nobody
knows.  But believing it is not a waste of time is implied so long as
commenting continues, whether it is merely a vent or a meaningful endeavor.

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By Leefeller, March 16, 2011 at 11:57 am Link to this comment

Anarcissie,

How do anarchists plan their day and how does one go about organizing a full fledged anarchy?...... Thought I would ask!

You know I am looking into becoming Amish without the religion,..... especially since, I used to own a donkey. There is no possibility I can move to Turtle Island because I have a phobia of turtles!

After being here for a while on TD,.... I am sort of leaning toward accepting Tao Walkers concepts of living ones life, even though I am not sure what that means, but the only thing holding me back is;  Tao Walker hurt my feelers and made fun of my Tequila induced blood shot eyes!

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By Anarcissie, March 16, 2011 at 11:24 am Link to this comment

I was more interested in what people were actually doing, or had done recently, than what they could or might do.  There is no shortage of ideas or information.  There is a big shortage of attention and action.

For instance, if you believe a third party will solve important problems, what are you doing to organize and build such a party?  What are the current results of your efforts?  It’s getting late to contest any important offices in 2012.

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By drbhelthi, March 16, 2011 at 8:03 am Link to this comment

If any Americans survive that which is about to hit us, they will be
more attuned to the wise saying of the original indigenous:

“What you do speaks so loud, I can not hear what you say.”

However, the survivors will no longer be called Americans.

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By photoshock, March 16, 2011 at 5:12 am Link to this comment

Amen!
We are again at the mercy of the corporate oligarchy!

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By Not One More!, March 16, 2011 at 2:13 am Link to this comment

The corporate elite want activists (a person who is active as opposed to bloggers) to just shut up and fade away, and the very people who the activist is helping also joins in that call. Isn’t it ironic. It’s interesting how the Obama and Clinton supporters all think the war was ‘bad’ under Bush, but ‘strategic’ under Obama.

A lie is a lie, no matter who says it, and it should be challenged every time, no matter who says it. But the republicans don’t challenge the republican party lies, and the democrats don’t challenge the democratic party lies. We see this in the Tea party, and the Obama supporters time after time.

The corporate elite have to do very little to silence criticism, when the democrats are willing to silence those that propose real change. As the democrats knock Nader, Green Party, Cindy Sheen, or third party candidates (as they whine ‘they can’t win’), they are the ones doing themselves a great disservice, and doing the corporate elite’s dirty work. We are stupid people that way.

Where has compromise, and other ‘strategic’ concepts that are used to vote for a democrat, gotten us? It has gotten us this far, which is not very far at all. We are on the brink of self-destruction, as our environment is being destroyed, our social sense of fairness is diminished with each bailout of the corporate elite, and our economy depends on war and non-sustainable business practices.

The Douglass quote at the end of the article is very telling, especially in the context of why he said it. The quote was said by Frederick Douglass in 1857, in response to those who suggested that the great abolitionist was pushing too hard for an end to human bondage.

“Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”

I also like quote, “I’d rather vote for what I want and not get it than vote for what I don’t want, and get it.” - Eugene Debs

http://www.NotOneMore.US  - Take the Pledge for Peace

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By matt, March 16, 2011 at 1:54 am Link to this comment
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Popular democracy is a dumb idea and I don’t blame the founders for being against it. I’d rather be ruled by an few intelligent elitist than by a mob of idiots. The Constitutional Republic failed most due to those in power who subvert it, although it is not a perfect document. Anyone who says we have freedom of speech in this country is a joke.

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 11:54 pm Link to this comment

PS: Sorry, my previous quote was from Lori F.

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By gerard, March 15, 2011 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

Maybe we should be glad that the Tea Baggers hang it all out there so it can be
seen.  And glad that naive exploiters like the Kochs are stupid enough to helpl
them “put themselves forward” so the naive, selfish beliefs are obvious, and so
recognizibly simplistic.  After all, people are not following them in droves—
not yet, anyway.

Something to consider,  however, is that if the space for an alternative remains
a vacuum with not enough people able to articulate possible alternatives, you
can’t expect their ranks to do anything but increase because less goofy (but
still politically naive) people—which would mean most Americans—can find
nowhere else to go. 

So long as the best of the left continues its self-flagellation and/or its
recriminations against its opposition, things aren’t going to change much for
the better.  And if the general agreement is that violence is counterproductive
and spiritually empty (and if millions of city-dwellers can’t get a clue on what
“forming a human community” means or how to do it in relatively short order)
the masses of people “in the middlel” or thereabouts will drift into nihilism out
of fear and desperation. 

What’s needed now is a vision—or a remembrance of what human beings
have done and could be when they were/are at their best, and of how to revive
and nurture that best.  We need to trow off our “sick at heart” disappointment
and rise to the occasion.  The courage of soldiers without the killing and
destruction—the esprit d’corps of the medical teams in Japan working day
and night to salvage lives on the raw edge of pain.

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By gerard, March 15, 2011 at 11:34 pm Link to this comment

Maybe we should be glad that the Tea Baggers hang it all out there so it can be
seen.  And glad that naive exploiters like the Kochs are stupid enough to helpl
them “put themselves forward” so the naive, selfish beliefs are obvious, and so
recognizibly simplistic.  After all, people are not following them in droves—
not yet, anyway.

Something to consider,  however, is that if the space for an alternative remains
a vacuum with not enough people able to articulate possible alternatives, you
can’t expect their ranks to do anything but increase because less goofy (but
still politically naive) people—which would mean most Americans—can find
nowhere else to go. 

So long as the best of the left continues its self-flagellation and/or its
recriminations against its opposition, things aren’t going to change much for
the better.  And if the general agreement is that violence is counterproductive
and spiritually empty (and if millions of city-dwellers can’t get a clue on what
“forming a human community” means or how to do it in relatively short order)
the masses of people “in the middlel” or thereabouts will drift into nihilism out
of fear and desperation. 

What’s needed now is a vision—or a remembrance of what human beings
have done and could be when they were/are at their best, and of how to revive
and nurture that best.  We need to trow off our “sick at heart” disappointment
and rise to the occasion.  The courage of soldiers without the killing and
destruction—the esprit d’corps of the medical teams in Japan working day
and night to salvage lives on the raw edge of pain.

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By Michael Cavlan RN, March 15, 2011 at 11:24 pm Link to this comment

God Damn It

Tea Baggers, Coffee Parties, “we can’t even pick a leader.”

GENERAL STRIKE

CHRIS HEDGES FOR PRESIDENT

Courage is being afraid but doing what you know is right anyway

Cowardice is knowing what is right and not doing it.

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 10:40 pm Link to this comment

Felicity comment;

“Have a respectful conversation with a tea partier about this issue of changing how politicians get elected—Glenn Beck even recommends some of these measures in his book “Broke”!!! “

One out of four is not bad! I have only found one Tea Bag who even had the capability to hold a discussion,..... though we did not get anyplace!

Tea Bags are indoctrinated and manipulated, they live in fear and are easy patsies for their benefactor opportunists.
It took me awhile to find out what the Tea Bags wanted or stood for, not sure they even know! The following link explained a lot about Tea Baggery for me!

link; “Who are the Tea party patriots”  http://pubrecord.org/politics/9003/party-patriots/

The anti Unionism and anti Social Security movement is sponsored by Tea Bag benefactors and carried to the streets by Tea Bags like a hanging mob! 

Not sure about talking to Tea Bags,... they seem very like evangelicals with a fanatics cause, facts do not seem to be a required or necessary for Tea Bags, their belief seems almost religious?

You know its not nice to call them tea baggers!

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By Lori F, March 15, 2011 at 10:05 pm Link to this comment

There are also other things you can do:

—Join the Coffee Party and join or start a local chapter:  http://sharedpurpose.net/home/

—Sign (and get others to sign) a petition to change how politicians get elected. Because corporations are considered “people,” and money is considered free speech, it’s “One dollar (or $1 million), one vote”, not “One person, one vote.” We need a constitutional amendment that states only people are people and money is not speech. Then, have all elections run with a set, finite amount of money given to all candidates who collect enough signatures on a petition.  The money would come out of our taxes.  Then, have strict term limits and don’t allow pols or their staff to work for lobbying firms after they leave office.  I believe left, right, and center can agree on this, if we keep our sights and our rhetoric on the “bottom line,” rather than bickering across the political spectrum. There are several websites that are dedicated to this goal.  Hightower lists them at http://movetoamend.org/news/hightower-8-ways-were-making-america-better-place

—Have a respectful conversation with a tea partier about this issue of changing how politicians get elected—Glenn Beck even recommends some of these measures in his book “Broke”!!! 

—Work to change the Supreme Court.  Get signatures on a petition to impeach Justice Roberts and those who are twisting the intent of our Constitution. 

It will be a long, hard road (so were blacks’ and women’s suffrage), but if we don’t try, we’ll never get there and our choices will be between worse and worse evils, as the Big Guys suck us dry.

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

Geeze! Bush said he wanted to privatize Social Security, because he has my interests at heart.  I am real glad he got his hand slapped on that one,.... just because a Democrat has the same idea I am supposed to change my mind?

If I am going to get shafted, I must admit, I prefer the shafting be done by a Democrat, just because I know it may not be as painful, on the other hand with the Republicans, it is a sure thing,.... just like water boarding is not torture!

Even if Daniel Patrick Moynihan was Mother Treasuries brother, I still would not give my money to Goldmans slacks!

Lets see, before I lost my job, I paid into Social Security, I sure as hell do not want some numb nutted Wall Street politician fooling around with what is working fine as far as I am concerned SSI has funds until 2047 and I do not like eating cat food!

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By Anarcissie, March 15, 2011 at 7:38 pm Link to this comment

John M: (quoting FDR)

‘“A strike of
public employees… blah, blah…  intolerable.”

Strikes and so forth are often inconvenient.  However, if we believe in the classical-liberal rights of expression, association, assembly and contract, then we must allow people to form unions, and to use the tools of unions, among which are strikes, boycotts, including secondary boycotts, and the closed shop.  Those rights don’t end because someone works for the government, although laws may be passed against them.  There are plenty of unjust laws.

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By TAO Walker, March 15, 2011 at 7:10 pm Link to this comment

It was suggested by a commenter below that Chris Hedges is probably well-aware of the essentially biological nature of the CONgeries of problematical CONditions he writes floridly about here weekly as if they were only CONceptual.  It was further suggested by the commenter that Hedges declines to address this fundamental Natural Fact directly, in-part because to do so is not acceptable to those “gate-keepers” ultimately determining the CONtent of public discourse, those making sure anybody (like Hedges) getting paid to expound their views remains well within the bounds of established orthodoxy.  That these biological basics might be ‘over-the-heads’ of most people who’ve been processed involuntarily through the “education” apparatus, and subjected all their half-lives to a CONstant barrage of stupefying official and commercial propaganda intended to keep them pacified and pliable, was also offered as a possible factor in Hedges’ alleged reticence.

So he (and perhaps many of those among his enthusiastic supporters here) supposedly all really know, deep-down, that they’re actually faced with what is, in-effect, the “global” equivalent of the irreversibly terminal phase of a virulent disease process….like raging late-stage pancreatic cancer, maybe?  Yet, because “the authorities” are still preaching like robot parrots the pollyanna dogma of theallamericanfeverdream, and because the implications of the actual “case” are felt to be just too frighteningly overwhelming to even tentatively CONsider openly, everybody is CONtent to CONspire subCONsciously to focus instead on “the heartbreak of psoriasis.”

So when all else fails (which it is dead-certainly doing right now), with the right “lipstick” homo domesticus will at-least make a good-looking corpse?  Its epitaph might read:  “Not nearly careful enough about what they wished-for.”

Or they could just get-over their “self”....and get together in The Tiyoshpaye Way.

HokaHey!

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By sallysense, March 15, 2011 at 6:42 pm Link to this comment

hiya again john m… it was also president franklin d roosevelt…

who appointed a rich powerful wall street lawyer (retired military) to begin and head an intelligence organization…

and then that wall street lawyer added other military people and wall street lawyers and top corporate personnel including an oil company’s to his team…

which in turn led to the basis for our present day intelligence…

so who’s best interest is being served via intelligence formed from wall street lawyers and top corporate personnel including oil’s ?...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By sallysense, March 15, 2011 at 5:56 pm Link to this comment

how do people know if many folks on this site are either this or that ?...

or do this or that ?... or whatever etc ?...

nobody ever asked me anything…

so how can people say those things ?... (and it’s said often enough in comments)...

is there a questionaire somewhere around here that my eyes overlooked… and everybody else submitted this information about themselves ?... smile

(and the folks who condemn everyone else and tell us what to do… well why don’t they tell us what they themselves are actually doing ?)...

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By doublestandards/glasshouses.com, March 15, 2011 at 5:23 pm Link to this comment
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Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, Sheldon Wolin, John Pilger, Charlie Sheen, Lady Gaga, and others in a two hour film about our current political crisis.
“Lifting the Veil” @
http://metanoia-films.org/compilations.php

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By Peter Knopfler, March 15, 2011 at 5:16 pm Link to this comment

We don´t have to be terrorized into Silence!
If you don´t stand for something,
you will fall for anything!
Kings have long arms,
but misfortune longer.
Let none think themselves out of her reach.
B.Franklin President.

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By John M, March 15, 2011 at 5:15 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller “Warning; A ranting we will go!

I guess calling unions socialist, pinko commies is
loosing its steam so now the thing is to say they are
paralyzing? Why not call unions terrorists, after all
the fear thing works really great getting half the
workers to kill the other half!

Anti Union Republicans offer so much, instead of
collective bargaining they gave us bale outs, instead
of a national medical plan they tell us we are lucky,
to have the opportunity to buy from, the mighty tidy
for profit medical insurance companies! .....  What
about Social Security, thats a ponzie scheme, not its
socialism, no its both! Social Security has an
operating cost of 2 percent so the Republicans would
have us donate to their good friends in Wall Street
with 15 percent operating costs, I am glad Wall
Street doesn’t have a Union!

Being a Republican must be hard, with all this
fornicating the public going on, ......it is a wonder
those rich and wannabe Tea Bag Republicans have time
to spend their money, ...how the hell are the rest of
us supposed to get those trickle downs!

Hey,.... Tea Bags forever, ......guess the next thing
we are going to hear is the Koch Brothers are the
Henry Fords and working persons friends of the
present?

Republican motto! I got mine and I want yours!”

I guess you are referring to that great Republican
FDR? It was Franklin Roosevelt who said, “A strike of
public employees manifests nothing less than an
intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the
operations of Government until their demands are
satisfied. Such action,looking toward the paralysis
of Government by those who have sworn to support it,
is unthinkable and intolerable.” Neither he nor I
ever inferred they were terrorists. As for the bail
outs the Democrats have had their share just look at
GM or Chrysler or Fiat or whatever it is now. Bernie
Madoff and Carlo Ponzie were pikers compared to
social security. there is no reason in the world we
should not follow Daniel Patrick Moynihan’s advice
and promote personal accounts that can be left to
your heirs as the way for for the government to help
the poor to build wealth of their own. Oh that’s
right he was another Fox news republican like FDR,
George Meany, and Fiorello LaGuardia.

http://www.socialsecurity.org/daily/05-31-00.html

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By bonito, March 15, 2011 at 5:06 pm Link to this comment

Our problem is not only with the Republican Over-
lords, it could be said that it also lies because of
the Love Affair most Americans carry on A daily basis
with our beloved Millionaires, and Billionaires. We
get our news from some rich guy whom makes the big
bucks indoctrinating the public on all the wonderful
things that the Corps. have to sell us, when we go to
a sports arena we are entertained by really rich
sports figures, whose main interest is to get even
richer, we just cannot get enough of rich actors
appearing on T.V. and in the movies, more people read
People Magazine then read what is really going on in
this world, after all of that look around and wonder
what is happening to the workers in this country.

Can the working folks really afford to go on
supporting our rich heroes, can the country afford
allowing the filthy rich to rape the nation and
stockpile an abnormal share of the wealth, while
spending a sizable amount to make sure that the wages
of the workers are reduced to a bare minimum.

Many even here on Truth-dig think that it is just
wonderful we have all of these rich people amassing
fortunes on the backs of the worker, there is no way
you can give a rich man too much money, and never cut
wages to a minimum, and then expect people to have
enough income to support a family.  Servitude is back
with all of it,s ugly truths,

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By Rixar13, March 15, 2011 at 5:04 pm Link to this comment

“The Rockefellers, the Mellons, the Carnegies and the Morgans—the Koch Brothers Industries, Goldman Sachs and Wal-Mart of their day—never gave a damn about workers. All they cared about was profit.”

They can all kiss my arse… smile grin

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By Steve E, March 15, 2011 at 5:01 pm Link to this comment

I should not speak for Mr. Hedges, but I’m almost sure he knows the human race
is screwed. Hats off to you Chris Hedges for your insight and most of all your
courage. They got us boxed in for a checkmate and we can’t even pick a leader,
let alone focus. There is not going to be any unified movement. They applied the
old divide and conquer routine and we are definitely divided.

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment

Warning; A ranting we will go!

I guess calling unions socialist, pinko commies is loosing its steam so now the thing is to say they are paralyzing? Why not call unions terrorists, after all the fear thing works really great getting half the workers to kill the other half! 

Anti Union Republicans offer so much, instead of collective bargaining they gave us bale outs, instead of a national medical plan they tell us we are lucky, to have the opportunity to buy from, the mighty tidy for profit medical insurance companies! .....  What about Social Security, thats a ponzie scheme, not its socialism, no its both! Social Security has an operating cost of 2 percent so the Republicans would have us donate to their good friends in Wall Street with 15 percent operating costs, I am glad Wall Street doesn’t have a Union!

Being a Republican must be hard, with all this fornicating the public going on, ......it is a wonder those rich and wannabe Tea Bag Republicans have time to spend their money, ...how the hell are the rest of us supposed to get those trickle downs!

Hey,.... Tea Bags forever, ......guess the next thing we are going to hear is the Koch Brothers are the Henry Fords and working persons friends of the present?

Republican motto! I got mine and I want yours!

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By John M, March 15, 2011 at 4:38 pm Link to this comment

Leefeller “John M, I guess it is nice to prove other
people wrong, especially when making a point? So the
point of your comment is people should work for $2.00
a day?

Today Wal Mart pays people 30 cents a day in
Bangladeshi to sew seams on shirts, we need more of
that innovative kind of thinking, not those damn
Unions telling Wal Mart what to do!

You know the nice thing about Wal Mart it has cut
back on Fords forty hour work week, wonder why John M
did not mention Wal Mart?

I suppose if I wanted to, I could provide a similar
happy go lucky story for an exception instead of the
rule slave owner capitalist, who treated his slaves
better then other slave owners, so who needs unions?

I love herring one sided stories, they seem so
Republican and Fox Newsy!”

I didn’t mention Wall Mart because they didn’t invent
the 8 hour day. Neither did the unions as the author
of the article stated they did. It’s wasn’t a one
sided story it was a statement of fact backed up by
fact. If you consider that FOX newsy or Republican
I’m sorry you are so blinded by hate. But I can’t
help you.

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By sallysense, March 15, 2011 at 4:02 pm Link to this comment

hiya john m… to take one scenario and apply it across the board…

when across the board clearly includes situations to the contrary…

fails in itself to paint a true picture… smile

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By kulu, March 15, 2011 at 3:42 pm Link to this comment

My suggestions. 1)If you can, start saving and stop spending, downsize your house and when your car is no longer worth holding onto downsize that too. 2)Vote for a 3rd party or independent candidate(with very few exceptions eg Kucinich and perhaps the Democrats in Wisconsin to reward them for their stance there). 3)As an interim measure attend every local rally or protest you see as being for a cause you support. 5) Use your saving to tide you over in the event of a mass uprising or protest like those going on in Wisconsin.

If you Americans are ever going to save yourselves, and probably the rest of the world as a result you need to be taking much bigger risks than most of you are willing to take right now - and the more of you risking it the less the risk for each individual becomes. Accumulating some saving will help reduce that risk and attending protests and rallies will immunize you against any embarrassment you may feel at standing out in in the streets with a bunch of “silly activists”.

PS I omitted item 4). You can make up your own I’m sure.

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By Litl Bludot, March 15, 2011 at 3:41 pm Link to this comment

Example of disaster capitalism, parasitoid ideology, nuclear power plants make
plutonium. Plutonium, the most toxic substance known, accepted as a by
product in the process of disaster capitalists making money. 

Plutonium is lethal in minuscule quantities. When released, it covers the
hemisphere within two weeks,  It kills all life. It lasts forever. 

Ask yourselves who advocates building nuclear power plants.  Who’s been
against them.  Did you even know?  Who have you voted for?  Obama, he’s for
them. Nader was against.

Then ask yourself, whether or not you’re capable of knowing what endangers
your life.  Ask yourself if your capable of making decisions for your children and
loved ones so that they have a future.

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 3:36 pm Link to this comment

John M, I guess it is nice to prove other people wrong, especially when making a point? So the point of your comment is people should work for $2.00 a day?

Today Wal Mart pays people 30 cents a day in Bangladeshi to sew seams on shirts, we need more of that innovative kind of thinking, not those damn Unions telling Wal Mart what to do!

You know the nice thing about Wal Mart it has cut back on Fords forty hour work week, wonder why John M did not mention Wal Mart? 

I suppose if I wanted to, I could provide a similar happy go lucky story for an exception instead of the rule slave owner capitalist, who treated his slaves better then other slave owners, so who needs unions?

I love herring one sided stories, they seem so Republican and Fox Newsy!

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By John M, March 15, 2011 at 3:32 pm Link to this comment

one of the great 20th century presidents was against
unions for public employees who have civil service
protections. No, not Ronald Reagan. It was Franklin
Roosevelt who said, “A strike of public employees
manifests nothing less than an intent on their part
to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government
until their demands are satisfied. Such action,
looking toward the paralysis of Government by those
who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and
intolerable.”


There Is No Right To Strike Against The Public Safety
By Anybody, Anywhere, Any Time


After robbery and rioting erupted in the wake of the
strike, Massachusetts Governor Calvin Coolidge
summarily fired all of the 1,100 participating
policemen and replaced them with unemployed World War
I veterans.


How Public Unions Took Taxpayers Hostage:


George Meany, the president of the AFL-CIO from 1955-
1979 who came out of the building trades, argued that
it was “impossible to bargain collectively with the
government.” Private unionists more generally worried
that rather than winning a greater share of profits,
public-sector labor would be extracting taxes from a
public that included their own workers. Liberals were
once skeptical of public-sector unionism. In the
1930s, New York Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia warned
against it as an infringement on democratic freedoms
that threatened the ability of government to
represent the broad needs of the citizenry.

 


The first to seize on the political potential of
government workers was New York City Mayor Robert F.
Wagner. The mayor’s father, a prominent New Deal
senator, had authored the landmark 1935 Wagner Act,
which imposed on private employers the legal duty to
bargain collectively with the properly elected union
representatives of their employees. Mayor Wagner,
prodded by Jerry Wurf of the American Federation of
State, County and Municipal Employees (Afscme), gave
city workers the right to bargain collectively in
1958.
Running for re-election in 1961, Mayor Wagner was
opposed by the old-line party bosses of all five
boroughs. He turned to a new force, the public-sector
unions, as his political machine. His re-election
resonated at the Kennedy White House, which had won
office by only the narrowest of margins in 1960.
Ten weeks after Wagner’s victory, Kennedy looked to
mobilize public-sector workers as a new source of
Democratic Party political support. In mid-January
1962, he issued Executive Order 10988, which gave
federal workers the right to organize in unions.

 

More at:

http://theamericanfreedomcrisis.blogspot.com/2011_02_
01_archive.html

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By John M, March 15, 2011 at 3:12 pm Link to this comment

So, who gave us the 5 day, 8 hours per day, work
week? Was it really the unions, was it really higher
regulations? No, the historical answer is that it was
Heny Ford who gave us the 5 day, 8 hours per day,
work week.

In addition, if you look at why Henry Ford did this,
you will see that his reasons had nothing to do with
charity, and everything to do with increasing profits
and dealing with the forces of competition.

What makes those who believe it was unions look even
more ridiculous is the fact that Henry Ford despised
unions.

Henry Ford made an announcement which, for the
moment, turned industry upside down and brought
workmen by the tens of thousands storming for jobs.
His announcement was that thereafter the minimum wage
in his industries would be five dollars for a day of
eight hours. At that time a good wage was two dollars
and a half for a day of ten hours. Now he makes
another announcement far more important than the one
which then went round the world.

“We have,” he said, “decided upon and at once put
into effect through all the branches of our
industries the five day week. Hereafter there will be
no more work with us on Saturdays and Sundays. These
will be free days, but the men, according to merit,
will receive the same pay equivalent as for a full
six day week. A day will continue to be eight hours,
with no overtime.

“For the present this will not apply to the railroad,
and of course it cannot apply to watchmen or the men
on certain jobs where the processes must be
continuous. Some of these men will have to work
Saturdays and Sundays, but they constitute less than
one per cent. of our working force, and each of them
will have two consecutive days off some time during
the week. In short, we have changed our calendar and
now count a week as five days or forty hours.”

He was also against minimum wages.

“That belongs to yesterday, before we quite knew what
paying high wages meant. Now so few people get the
minimum wage that we do not bother about it at all.
We try to pay a man what he is worth and we are not
inclined to keep a man who is not worth more than the
minimum wage.”

“The harder we crowd business for time, the more
efficient it becomes. The more well-paid leisure
workmen get, the greater become their wants. These
wants soon become needs. Well-managed business pays
high wages and sells at low prices. Its workmen have
the leisure to enjoy life and the wherewithal with
which to finance that enjoyment.

“The industry of this country could not long exist if
factories generally went back to the ten hour day,
because the people would not have the time to consume
the goods produced. For instance, a workman would
have little use for an automobile if he had to be in
the shops from dawn until dusk. And that would react
in countless directions, for the automobile, by
enabling people to get about quickly and easily,
gives them a chance to find out what is going on in
the world-which leads them to a larger life that
requires more food, more and better goods, more
books, more music—more of everything. The benefits
of travel are not confined to those who can take an
expensive foreign trip. There is more to learn in
this country than there is abroad.

“Just as the eight hour day opened our way to
prosperity, so the five day week will open our way to
a still greater prosperity.”

Capitalism is what brings people out of poverty, not
handouts. Capitalism gave us Henry Ford. Because he
was seeking ever greater profits, we all benefitted.
He gave thousands of people jobs, and an affordable
way to get people moving. We all benefitted from his
greed. Competition is what gave us better working
conditions not unions.

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By John M, March 15, 2011 at 2:57 pm Link to this comment

as far as the 8 hour day:

September 25, 1926 in History: Event: Henry Ford
announces 8 hour, 5-day work week:

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By gerard, March 15, 2011 at 2:48 pm Link to this comment

I keep thinking that is’s a major mistake to regard the “system” as strong and
powerful.  Many signs of weakness are obvious:  Top heavy management with
no consideration for the whole; blindness to most causes and effects; closed
circuits of knowledge so that media functions at the behest of a limited few and
accurate knowledge is denied to vast majorities; dependence upon the “same-
ole same-ole” rather than creative thinking; error becoming habituated.

All of this and more indicates that “management” is in complete denial. 
Complete denial is weakness.  Probably an increasing number of forces within
“management” (meaning government and business, including military,) at all
levels are “melting down” and trying to hide evidence of the meltdown.  They
do not know what to do, and they know their cover-up gets less successful
every day, and the will be forced to “open up”—whatever the results, good or
bad.  It’s the apparent waiting, the apparent “doing nothing”  that is hard to
endure. But that the system is increasing in instability seems clear.  Healthy
systems “self-correct”.

When the top-down melt-down happens, a great deal will depend upon the
ability of ordinary people to develop alternatives of all kinds and work together
in many ways to achieve reconciliations at all levels with the environment, with
the economic potentials (whatever they remain to be) and with each other. 
Ordinary people are naturally resourceful in crisis situations.

Don’t blow all your energy on despair and fear.  Save some for when it is
needed. And for your children.  Prepare now by investigating any and all  
possibilities of a better world, and aid “causes” already existing that point in
the direction of what your conscience tells you is best.  (Advice from “Notes
Found in the Human Treasure Chest.”)

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By Dr. O. P. Sudrania, March 15, 2011 at 1:22 pm Link to this comment
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It is a good caption but the problem today is that even after demand, nothing is conceded. The greed and rapacity has progressed to the extent of profanity. It
is this disconnect that is the cause of discontent and
strife.

Tolerating the intolerant is a difficult theme. All those who have raised their families sincerely and lovingly will agree that even they have had to resort to scoldings or beatings to their children. Now the point comes, was it done with a mind to reform or harm, is the main question? Hence tolerating the intolerant in real adult social life is, a sin to my mind because it does not help the cause; rather it multiplies it and makes the situation worst. I don’t think, anyone would like to leave a known disease to proceed to an incurable stage knowingly.

A good article but needs a careful evaluation in the present strife torn widespread intolerance, chaos and wars.

God bless
Dr. O. P. Sudrania

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By haightashton, March 15, 2011 at 12:22 pm Link to this comment

This might actually be Chris’ best article yet. Which is to say his most depressing.
Of course it’s depressing—the truth often is. I couldn’t agree more. I wonder how
many people are aware of what’s going on in the state of Michigan right now?
Check out Michael Moore’s home page for his letter to his fellow Michiganders for
a taste of what’s to come for the rest of the country if we don’t act fast. And we
won’t. I mean what would it take for people to finally wake up to the political-
corporate rape that’s been happening in this country for years. The Tea Party
rages against government power, but never says a peep about the corporate
machine.

Oh and by the way, was that an advertisement for the Tea Party website hiding in
plain sight in the middle of this Hedge’s article. Shame! What’s up with that
Truthdig?

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By RanDomino, March 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment
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I’m sure you’d be thrilled to know that the IWW still exists, is growing by organizing workers in unusual places, and has taken an active role in Wisconsin; for example being the group which suggested a general strike to SCFL (which is where mainstream discussion of a general strike came from). 

Anyone can join the IWW right now!  It doesn’t matter if your workplace isn’t unionized, it doesn’t matter if you already have a union, it doesn’t even matter if you have a job.

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By Salome, March 15, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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“...consumer society and celebrity culture…”=bread and circuses

“It pits worker (private sector slave) against worker (unionized slave) in a mad scramble for scrap”  I’m confused.  If I look up, and see someone better off than me, I’m willing to fight to get to where she is—-I’m not interested in pulling her down to where I am.

Take a look at New York’s innocously-named, but insidious, “Public Health Legal Manual:  A guide for Judges, Attorneys, and Public Health Professionals”.  Anyone care to wager on when Mike Bloomberg will manufacture some “emergency of his choice”  that he will then exploit to stay in power?  Another 9/11 perhaps?

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By sallysense, March 15, 2011 at 10:38 am Link to this comment

(and regarding folks who say things aren’t going to change… are they part of the problem or part of the solution ?)... smile

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 10:35 am Link to this comment

My opinions are very important to me, as are my assumptions, never being wrong helps,...... that why I am thinking of becoming a Republican!

A Republican is a waste of a small mind!

My first wife was a Republican;.... no not the wife who ran off with the bible salesman;  what I remember most about my Republican wife, is when she said no, which appeared to be always… she meant it…. does this explain Republicans?

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By JCM124, March 15, 2011 at 10:17 am Link to this comment

aacme88, yes it does matter. Unfortunately it is a pick of the least of two evils, however, there is a tremendous difference between the two. Didn’t you notice what the House passed the last two years? Much of it decent and progressive legislature! The most in decades, what stopped it was the Republicans in the Senate. And now because we didn’t vote for every Dem we could or didn’t vote at all, the Republicans are even more in power. Yeah, it would be great if there were a true 3rd party, but it isn’t happening in the next election so the REALITY is to vote for the Dems. They at least give the middle class and this country a fighting chance. Any other vote only enables the Republicans and the demise of American ideals. Voting for Ralph brought us Bush Jr. What a catastrophe!

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By sallysense, March 15, 2011 at 10:16 am Link to this comment

(do you ever come across know-it-alls who assume things that are not true ?...

for example… when it comes to assumptions…

am continually reminded by online comments…

that everyone who assumes and labels and places certain folks into particular categories of voting for bill clinton and barack obama…

may indeed be assuming incorrectly!)...

best wishes’n'ways for today to dawn on!... smile

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By Leefeller, March 15, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Well!...... I cut back on buying Tequila this week,.... those Mexican Autocrats need to suffer!  Not sure about doing this for a whole month though.

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By Anarcissie, March 15, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

So what did you do this week to fight the power?  This month?

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By tedmurphy41, March 15, 2011 at 9:50 am Link to this comment

Matewan is a film which highlights the use of legitimised thuggery against ordinary workers who want a better deal, along with the right to join a union.
As far as the Koch brothers are concerned, it’s perhaps time to put the shoe on the other foot and apply the same derecognition of their right to trade in America, and see how these individuals like the isolation and, if their property and finances are sequestrated and possibly confiscated, deprivation which was imposed on many of your forebears, who had to endure such hardships due to actions taken by ruthless companies, very similar to those now run by these two reprobates.
Come to think of it, just how did these Koch brothers amass such a fortune, and what was the time-span?

You may say that pigs will fly before sequestration and confiscation is allowed to take place if any such action is placed before your suspect legal system?
Well, who would have thought that the American workers would rise up as they have; so be careful when you go out. Check the skys and carry an umbrella!

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By aacme88, March 15, 2011 at 9:24 am Link to this comment

@JCM124
The whole point is that it doesn’t matter any more who you vote for. Haven’t you been paying attention?
Clinton was the quintessential New Democrat, which meant Republican-Lite. Triangulation? Remember that? That was Clinton and the Democrats being almost as Republican as the Republicans, theoretically to get votes, because, of course,  who would vote for a progressive? But what changed? Nothing. We got 8 years of Bush, and then even Republican voters were ready for a change. Even holding the presidency and both houses, Obama and the Democrats managed to get trounced at every turn. But people started noticing that the cave-ins were starting before the sides were even sitting down to talk. What almost no Democrat, and certainly not the party as a whole, has tried, is standing up and LEADING. The country has been crying for it. But only the Republicans do it. And they lead us off the cliff.
It took a while, but we figured it out. It’s a good cop/bad cop routine. They are all bought. The longer it takes everyone to realize that the Dems have sold out just as surely as the Reps, the longer it will take to start fixing the problem. Forget the Democrats. They’re not on our side.
Chris didn’t mention the Republicans because everybody already knows they are bought. We need people like you to begin to realize the Dems are too.
They have had 30 years of Republican Revolution to stand up and fight back. How much longer do you want to give them? You could give them 30 more years and the hole would be twice as deep. If they weren’t bought they would be the most inept bunch in human history, which is what they ask us to believe.
We could forgive losing. They haven’t even begun to mount a fight yet.
The cavalry is not coming. It’s up to us.

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By aacme88, March 15, 2011 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

@JCM124
The whole point is that it doesn’t matter any more who you vote for. Haven’t you been paying attention?
Clinton was the quintessential New Democrat, which meant Republican-Lite. Triangulation? Remember that? That was Clinton and the Democrats being almost as Republican as the Republicans, theoretically to get votes, because, of course,  who would vote for a progressive? But what changed? Nothing. We got 8 years of Bush, and then even Republican voters were ready for a change. Even holding the presidency and both houses, the Democrats managed to get trounced at every turn. But people started noticing that the cave-ins were starting before the sides were even sitting down to talk. What almost no Democrat, and certainly not the party as a whole, has tried, is standing up and LEADING. The country has been crying for it. But only the Republicans do it. And they lead us off the cliff.
It took a while, but we figured it out. It’s a good cop/bad cop routine. They are all bought. The longer it takes everyone to realize that the Dems have sold out just as surely as the Reps, the longer it will take to start fixing the problem. Forget the Democrats. They’re not on our side.
Chris didn’t mention the Republicans because everybody already knows they are bought. We need people like you to begin to realize the Dems are too.
They have had 30 years of Republican Revolution to stand up and fight back. How much longer do you want to give them? You could give them 30 more years and the hole would be twice as deep. If they weren’t bought they would be the most inept bunch in human history, which is what they ask us to believe.
We could forgive losing. They haven’t even begun to mount a fight yet.
The cavalry is not coming. It’s up to us.

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By falken751, March 15, 2011 at 8:59 am Link to this comment

I sent this article of Chris Hedges to my wife and
following is what she sent back to me. Needless to say I
agree with her.


“What an article, it is excellent and so very
informative. Chris Hedges is an awesome writer and also l
so I noticed he has another book out Called “Death Of The
Liberal Class”

I believe everything that he has written is true and he
does it so much with a feeling of intent as to inform the
middle class of what is really going on especially in the
state of Wisconsin. C H is a very rich man and will only
get richer from his column’s and the sale of his books,
however, in gaining his wealth, he is also trying to help
the people by letting them know what is really going on
in the Corporate World, one could say that he is really
earning his money by doing this, the other thieves just
keep taking and taking and never giving, he is always
giving by writing his column’s and his books, he has the
right to make the money, they don’t.

Though fortunately and rightfully earned, C H will never
have to worry about income, housing, SS, jobs, Medical
Ins and feeding his family and worry about there future
like we all do. I give him a lot of credit for doing what
he has and still is doing to keep us all aware of how we
all lost THE AMERICAN DREAM that will never happen
anymore, at least not in this day and age.If the world
continues on the path that is on now there will never be
another day and age, for, the earth will be no more, with
all the natural disasters that have been happening, this
is, ONLY THE BEGINNING OF THE END OF TIME, AND THE END
IS COMING VERY SOON.”

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