By Inherit The Wind, May 29 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment No, my
problem is that I’m wasting time debating a delusional quack.
I’ll fix that right now.

The delusions in you mind hinder realistic thought. Best for you to
concentrate on treating your rocks. At which university did you acquire rock-treating skills?  Or did you acquire them in you delusional thought system?

No, my problem is that I’m wasting time debating a delusional quack.

I’ll fix that right now.

InheretTheWind: “In the words of the great fictional
psychiatrist, Dr. Sidney Freedman:- - “.

That´s your basic problem. Your thoughts and mouthings are fiction.

drbhelthi, May 28 at 11:01 pm Link to this comment

InheretTheWind, your fantasy ideation exceeds your
stupidity.
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You are so inept, delusional and warped, that I take that as confirmation of my sanity and grounding in reality.

I am comfortable enough in my own skin that the opinion of me by a “Resident of Bedlam”  to snicker.

In the words of the great fictional psychiatrist, Dr. Sidney Freedman:
“You’re a victim too…But you are such an example of walking fertilizer that it’s hard for me to care.”

InheretTheWind, your fantasy ideation exceeds your
stupidity.

InheretTheWind you hate yourself, basically.
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Not me.  I like myself, a lot. A whole lot. In fact I’m a GREAT guy! And my wife and kids think so too, even my teenage son.  And, except for them, I’m just about my favorite person.

This is absurd mis-diagnosis that is wrong as is possible, is hard-core proof you are totally incompetent as a psychologist and shouldn’t be allowed to treat any member of the Homo Sapiens specie.

I’m not the one buying into the racist bullshit that Obama’s not American. You are.
I’m not the one disparagingly referring to him with the racist code word “Mocha Saviour”. You are.
I’m not the one buying into every anti-semitic conspiracy theory that blames Jews for all the evil in the world.  You are.

With minor correction you are right about one thing.  I’m beyond YOUR “help”.  And if I believed in a God I’d be thanking him for that small gift.

InheretTheWind you hate yourself, basically. That is why you hire yourself out as water-boy to the NAZI-Zionist types.  Non-biased, intelligent people, especially former insiders, know that my blogs are accurate.  The biases built into your basic value system by your parents control your thoughts, and fit you well within the NAZI/Zionist union of dictator-types.  Your type is beyond “help.”

Get help. You are living in a drug-induced delusional world.  You make Burroughs’ “Naked Lunch” look normal.

You just make up this crap and expect everyone to believe it.

Calling Obama a “Mocha Saviour” is racist, by any definition you want to use.

Since we already know you hate Jews, it’s no surprise you are disdainful of anyone who is not fully Caucasian.

You are lost to reality.

” Who gives a fuck what color his skin is?  Except a racist.” =
InheretTheWind

We know who is on this shift at the InheretTheWind cubicle. The word
slinger, whose life has meaning when bloggers can be labelled as “Jew
hater,” “Racist”, etc. The person who simply hates messengers of
accurate information and political truth. The person who fits in with
Zionist types who murder Palestinians while stealing their property.

However, in the case of Obama, other factors are more important than
skin color.  Essentially, the many falsifications that provide his
existence.  Since his mother was not married, legally his name would
be Dunham.  Not the name stolen from a man who met him when he was six
years of age.

However, the charge that his mother was a prostitute is unproven.  No
evidence has been established that she charged a fee.  The book being
released will clarify the entire C.I.A. fabrication in which this
political puppet is enclosed.  While, no book is required to reveal
the character of InheretTheWind, who hates messengers of truth and
accuracy, as do all Zionist-types. . .

“Mocha Saviour”????

What kind of racist crap is that? Like Archie Bunker used to say “spade” and “jungle bunny” instead of the “n” word?

Who gives a fuck what color his skin is?  Except a racist.

“Hey comrade ... the article—you brilliant example of reading
incomprehension—is not about Arhnuld and his ineligibility to serve—like
the Mocha Savior—as one of Wall Street’s mascots. It’s about Power and
especially about Men and Power from the skewed and perverse POV of the
farer sex.”  Lew Ciefer

Agreed- generally.  However, the picture of Schwarzenneger and Shriver tends to set the tone of the article, and the paragraph about him also applies.  Plus, you may have missed topics that other bloggers mentioned. 

Your idea, “- - is not about Arhnuld and his ineligibility to serve—like
the Mocha Savior” is pretty neat.  Plus the idea, “- to serve-” is worth a good chuckle.  “To serve.”  Right.  Like your mocca savior serves.

@ drbhelthi:

Hey comrade ... the article—you brilliant example of reading incomprehension—is not about Arhnuld and his ineligibility to serve—like the Mocha Savior—as one of Wall Street’s mascots. It’s about Power and especially about Men and Power from the skewed and perverse POV of the farer sex.

@ Counselor, May 25 at 3:04 am

Thank you very much Ms Counselor for that consultation ... now I know why free advice is free. In a market economy all things are priced, eventually, at their true value.

As for “Ice Palaces” I wouldn’t know about that. Ice Palaces avoid me like a plague ... hah ha ... know wattta mean? ... I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you FIRE! (Paul Brown)

Apparently duh Arhnuld didn’t have an air conditioning problem with his rather heavily endowed little fatty, did he? I can’t help but wonder why you automatically assume it’s the man with the problem ... Misandry much, Ms Counselor?

Perhaps the ice palace in question lacked a certain “architectural” appeal. That’s just my opinion of course, but wouldn’t you agree that in cases of mature individuals—not a teenage boy who would do a keyhole just to say he got a little—thawing is actually a two-way street? If not, perhaps I’m missing something. Why are surgeons becoming multimillionaires enhancing women’s breasts, noses, eyes, buttocks, waists, and any other part of their body they think needs a nip and a tuck? Is not sex appeal a prime motivator? What percentage of GDP do you think the women’s cosmetic industry holds? 

“In the past quarter century, we exposed biases against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor.”  —Warren Farrell, (“Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say”)

An aside: Did you hear the latest? The “other woman” has a lawyer. Hmm… lawsuits and book deals? ... Ya think?

I knew that at least one would accuse me of misogyny. It’s one of those labels—like racists, bigot, hater, etc.—that mental midgets resort to whenever they’ve been given a dose of truth. But I assure you that I could never qualify as a misogynist…

“A misogynist is a man who hates women as much as women hate one other.”—H.L. Mencken

As for those monogamous birds ... do you know what monogamous means? I know several monogamous birds and hardly any of them can “honestly” say that they haven’t enjoyed the nectar from other flowers at least once in their married lives ... pillars of the community one and all.

Concerning my “being a hapless cuckold, poor role models, a checkered past, or any of a number of neurosis or pathologies.” Are you kidding? I’m Lew Ciefer for Christ’s sake!

“All men are frauds. The only difference between them is that some admit it.”—H.L. Mencken

So tell me, Ms Counselor, are you—like me—of the opinion that all those scantily-clad, twenty-something-year-olds with Hefner are there for “virtuous” motivations or do you think they’re there to suck every nickel and dime and opportunity out of him while he still breathes?

You, like the author of this article, know squat about Power, Ms Counselor. It’s not a one size fits all…

“Like energy, power has many forms, such as wealth, armaments, civil authority, influence on opinion. No one of these can be regarded as subordinate to any other, and there is no one form from which the others are derivative.”—Bertrand Russell

“Women themselves, for the most part, think of themselves as the sensible sex, whose business it is to undo the harm that comes of men’s impetuous follies. For my part I distrust all generalisations about women, favourable and unfavourable, masculine and feminine, ancient and modern; all alike, I should say, result from paucity of experience.” -Bertrand Russell

However, plants who drive computers for AIPAC are required to always be prepared to whip ou tthe phrase, “Racist”, “racial”, “Jew hater”, among others.
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If you are making another one of you bat-shit crazy claims, now that I’m an agent of AIPAC, well, you are just going to have prove that one, Skeezix!

I don’t have to prove this, because you can’t prove a negative.

I’m not a member of AIPAC.
I don’t work for AIPAC.
I’ve never given a nickel to AIPAC.
I don’t support AIPAC.
I don’t agree with much of what AIPAC stands for.

So go ahead, prove I’m an agent of AIPAC.

You need help, bad.

“There is no way an Austrian immigrant could rise in America in the movies
or in California politics if there was a whiff of racism or anti-Semitism
in his character.”  InheretTheWind

Improving your reading comprehension might improve your outlook on life.
However, your prejudice would continue to show up. However, plants who
drive computers for AIPAC are required to always be prepared to whip out
the phrase, “Racist”, “racial”, “Jew hater”, among others.  “Bat shit
crazy” is a phrase I have heard outside of Jewish circles, mostly, as
gentle Jewish folk typically step carefully around such phrases.  Zionists
are pleased, however, to refute all truth that reveals anything “behind
the scenes.”  Which explains the life of A. Schwarzenneger. 

However, we remind ourselves that little “water boys” for whomever, are
little water boys, and you are paid to do your thing - - . How many shifts
are operated with your cubicle?  Are you paid a decent wage, or do you
“volunteer”?

A. Schwarennegger, promoted by his SS connections in Austria, transferred to the US and “inserted” into a macho role in Hollywood, when he couldn´t speak American, and still has the Austrian village accent.  His reparation
has been slow, and long-term, but having been inserted into a group of prominent, wealthy American families, and joined the ranks of “adulterators,” he “fits in.”  His Terminator-Adulterator role popularity might slide him into the US Presidency.  Just as he was slid into the
Shriver Family, via the union with Maria Shriver, subtly set-up by the powers-behind-the-scenes.  Maria Shriver, who on occasion has behaved like a village idiot.  Championing her husband for a second term, so he could
really ruin the California budget while importing a few million illegal aliens, one of the mechanisms.  Current regrets, Maria ??  Realizing you were manipulated all along the way, sharing sack-time with your maid,
without knowing it?
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You really are bat-shit crazy, you know?  You are delusional beyond belief.  You need help. There is no way an Austrian immigrant could rise in America in the movies or in California politics if there was a whiff of racism or anti-Semitism in his character.

Cheating on your wife doesn’t translate to being an SS plant, except in your crackpot asinine mind.  He’s actually so far to the left of today’s GOP I’m surprised he’s not a Blue Dog Democrat.

If the Re-thugs can’t get the 14th Amendment repealed so they can toss out Americans born to illegal immigrants, they are not going to get the Art II, section 1, para 5 repealed.

Besides, all they have to do is get Austria to cede the house or plot of land where he was born to the United States as part of the Embassy. Then he’ll have been born on US territory and may then be considered a natural born citizen.

When is that Republican initiative to change the Constitution to allow
Arnold to run for President going to begin?  Dale Headley, May 24

Marvelous! A poignant question from a person who either has the extended
ability to “see beyond - “,  or is a GHWBushSr insider, subtly planting
the idea via the internet.  Americans are generally so “movie star”
oriented, that many, plus all the immigrants, would vote for an Austrian
import who ruined the California treasury while grossly violating
immigration law.  And in addition, what´s a marriage contract for super-
rich people who were “placed” into a respectable, American family?  Just
think of all the envious unfaithfuls in the US who would also vote for him. 

Right. The Republican mechanism, having been overtaken by the GHWBushSr
entourage, during the period he was the secretive CEO of the CIA. Which CIA
was re-constituted, with the functions of the OSS, but under NAZI SS leadership,
and a secretive budget that the “ladies” in the U.S.Congress dont have the
balls to confront.

A. Schwarennegger, promoted by his SS connections in Austria, transferred
to the US and “inserted” into a macho role in Hollywood, when he couldn´t
speak American, and still has the Austrian village accent.  His preparation
has been slow, and long-term, but having been inserted into a group of
prominent, wealthy American families, and joined the ranks of
“adulterators,” he “fits in.”  His Terminator-Adulterator role popularity
might slide him into the US Presidency.  Just as he was slid into the
Shriver Family, via the union with Maria Shriver, subtly set-up by the
powers-behind-the-scenes.  Maria Shriver, who on occasion has behaved like
a village idiot.  Championing her husband for a second term, so he could
really ruin the California budget while importing a few million illegal
aliens, one of the mechanisms.  Current regrets, Maria ??  Realizing you
were manipulated all along the way, sharing sack-time with your maid,
without knowing it?

With Barack bin Obama being the 2nd non-American in the USPresidency, why
change the USConstitution in order to slide a village idiot-type in as the
3rd?  The village-idiot-types who would vote for him deserve him. Just as
Barack bin Obama accelerated the GHWBushSr entourage destruction of the
USofA, A. Schwarzenneger would accelerate that of Barack bin Obama.

Women should rule the world because women are as pure and virtuous as the driven snow.

Consider for a moment politics. Before women had the right to vote and hold office, politics was a cesspool of cronyism and corruption; not any more. Women “swept” all that away and cleaned it up damn quick. (All those years in the kitchen paid off!)

Has anyone NOT heard the legend of the “gold digger”? Of course not! But the reality is that there is no such thing as a “gold digger” or “female opportunist” looking for a fast way out by taking advantage of a man, his fortune and fame, and sucking every last dime out of his pockets ... and sofa!

Probably many of you chauvinist pigs think ill of those scantily-clad twenty-year-olds who surround Hugh Hefner like chicks around a mother hen. Pigs you are ... one and all! Those gals are madly in love with the desiccated Hefner. In all honesty, is there anything in the world that a hot little twenty-something adores more than having sex with a wrinkled, shriveled-up, old man four times her age? Hell no! You probably believe that Anna Nicole Smith married that old coot for his money too! Idiots!

I don’t doubt that more than one of you dirty-minded sexist pigs have thought that perhaps the Missus Ahrnuld is an “Ice Palace.” Ahhhhhhhh… C’mon guys… you know you did. You thought ... “hummmmmm… probably so hung up on herself that she can’t love anything but what she sees in the mirror…”

Many of you, assuredly, think that a little fatty with bodacious tatas working for a famous actor/governor notoriously known for his preference for big boobs—and not the brightest bulb on the planet when it comes to discretion—might think it not unwise to use her “assets” in an attempt to seize upon an opportunity to not only have a relationship with a famous person,—reportedly worth about $800 million—get pregnant, earn some hush money and a rather nice stipend for life, and—who knows?—perhaps a future book deal, playing the victim and spelling out all the sordid little details about said actor/governor’s sexual preferences and inadequacies. If you do think that, or have even once entertained the thought, you are surely a sexist, chauvinist pig who hasn’t a clue of the superior virtue of women.

Did anyone except, perhaps, a Buddhist monk recluse, not know that duh Ahrnuld was a married man? Except for very few abnormal occurrences, when men enter into an adulterous relationship they do so with other women. And more often than not the “other woman” is well aware of the circumstances. Yet in today’s PC world it is always the man who’s at fault.

Every once in a while a woman will—as in Ms Marcia Alesan Dawkins’ calumny—give men a glimpse into the inner workings of the female mind. And that glimpse never fails to stupefy the male intellect with its innate absurdity. The onerous attempt to connect Sheen, duh Ahrnuld, and the acts of Libyan soldiers (Muslims?) in a war zone is nothing more than a farrago of feminist refuse and demonstrates—in the words of Kurt Vonnegut—“THE COMPLICATED FUTILITY OF IGNORANCE”

IJK

An adult male who molests a male child is engaging in homosexual activity.

Homosexual,Definition

NOUN
     
1.
somebody attracted to same sex: somebody who is sexually attracted to members of his or her own sex

ADJECTIVE

1.
attracted to same sex: sexually attracted to members of the same sex

2.
relating to sexual attraction or activity among members of the same sex

Who’s mixing up the lines?

Arnold reminds me of the old joke:
A man who knows where to find his wife’s nickels and dimes has nothing on the man who knows where to find the maid’s quarters…. (MCP joke of the day).

I thought it was rather daring of Schwartzenegger to keep his mistress and their child right in the same house.  It sounded like something from the 18th century European aristocracy.  Left alone, I suppose he could have built up a considerable harem, but he made the mistake of getting involved in American business and politics.  You don’t screw around with the Kennedys, eh?

Strauss-Kahn is a rather more interesting case, I think; at least in the Schwartzenegger compound everyone was theoretically having a good, voluntary time.  But apparently none of you want to talk about him.  Oh, well, he’s ‘innocent until proven guilty’, or, to go by this morning’s news reports, ‘innocent until his rich friends and family can buy off his accuser’.  Vive le socialisme!

I like what red teddy and blackspeare have to say, the media pumped hysteria and the frothing females about poor Maria and what a bad guy Arnold has been. Lets imagine what really happened, its not hard it happens in lots of marriages. it starts with women losing interest in sex, they change from lovers to mothers, over the years intimacy finally becomes once a month. Also in the process any empathy for the stresses and strains of daily life disappear. Arnold like most busy husbands, is probably away a lot, he doesn’t spend time sitting on the couch watching tv talking small talk, the sort of talk women enjoy with their girl friends. Both know the connection is lost both know that as soon as the kids are old enough they will part. Arnold finds someone who will give him that intimacy he desires. She gets pregnant. The news breaks, if it hadn’t in a couple of years they would have split anyways, but instead a buzzer goes off in minds of American women and they become hate spewing banshees, ignoring the fact he has taken care of the child, protected his children from the truth until they were older, kept the family together. It is not about reason, it is about irrational feelings and emotions. The same was true about the Clinton/Lewinsky, and the Edwards case.
I can deal with most things but irrational hate breathing females they make my skin crawl.

I find it hard to believe the clergy was told to start hugging, caressing, stroking,
etc. its parish. And hugging is not molesting. Lots of grown men can hug a child
and in turn not want to molest them. Just like being gay does not make a man a
pedifile. Why are these lines always being mixed up, is our culture that removed
from sexuality they don’t understand what means what? Men who want to have sex
with children are a really specific group, they are not gay and don’t want to do this
b/c they hug a child.

I haven’t read the John Jay College report, but certainly the “We-have-to-accommodate-the-world-and-update-the-Church!” faction had its way, beginning with John XXIII’s election in 1958, bringing with it a horde of sociologists & psychologists who were foisted on the clergy & the faithful—no longer were priests to regard their office as separating them from human contact; rather, the more hugging, caressing, stroking, etc., the better for their ministry—and if mature & older priests didn’t want to hug, caress, stroke, etc., then they were ostracized by the new pastoral-ecclesial nomenklatura for being afraid of their bodies, etc. Decades after they were denounced and demoted as cranks for refusing to adapt, the adaptationists are the ones who’ve been proven to be both wrong & in many cases criminal. But anachronistic anti-Catholic activists are constantly and, it must be said, deliberately glossing over the historical actualities in favor of the ideological.

Men behave badly b/c they can. Women marry powerful men and stand beside
them until a love child or sex scandal emerges. Then society feels so sorry for the
supposed victim wife. These are the women who make the rest of us look weak.
Don’t ask for equality then ask for the tissue box b/c you turned a blind eye.
Maria Shirver and Strauss-Kahn’s wife are just as gross as their husbands.

kerryrose is an example of a sexist bigot pretending to be on the political left.

quote:
“Male power is institutionalized.  I have felt it in the court system and the workplace.  There is nothing like a parade of suits in court, or a parade of suits in a conference to assure me that my skirt suit does not quite cut it.”

The reality is that the court system is incredibly biased against men—considerably more so than it is biased on the basis of race in fact.  Most people don’t know this but anyone actually working within that system certainly would known and so kerry here deliberately lies.

That too is a conservative trait.

People on the left don’t discriminate against birth groups or make up lies about them.

Lafayette:
“Because how many women have you noticed rape men who are subordinate to them?”

It is more common than you think and your attitude here shows why it is ignored.  An ignorant and sexist comment.  Of course that is to be expected.

In addition: I subscribe to the notion of innocent until proven guilty not innocent until proven male.

Usual feminist bigotry.

Feminism is an imperialist ally these days and it always was sexist bigotry.  Feminism belongs on the right along with nativist and racist movements.

Does it really need saying?  Men are not inherently evil.  Women are not morally superior to men.  Believing so makes you a bigot.  Leftists should denounce bigotry in all its forms.

Feminism is like a cancer on the left in America.

I guess I should restate the obvious, which is not that Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or men in general are bad, but that the social order we live in elevates and protects the sort of behavior they engage in.  As a result people like the mentioned individuals believe, with some reason, that they can get away with abusive and often outright criminal conduct.  They are, so to speak, the personification of certain attitudes, and I question why the individuals are condemned while the attitudes remain.

@ Blackspeare

I wouldn’t go so far as to say what Maria knew or didn’t know concerning her
marriage and we shouldn’t speculate. Money or no money, marriages especially
long ones can have their difficulties and failings.  Men and women engage in
infidelity, that’s life. But yes we SHOULD be more worried about poor single
female-headed households.  We should be worrying about the economy and those
out there who are struggling not quibbling over the dalliances of the famous rich
and powerful.  Really its an indication of our values not theirs.

I don’t understand what all the fuss is about.  Here we have two very wealthy individuals in their own right caught in a marriage imbroglio.  The child in question was apparently cared for quite well and Schwarzenegger was not entirely absent from the boy’s life——he did support him and no doubt will continue to do so.  Other children born of poor parents should be so lucky.  And don’t make too much of the psychological impact on the boy.  It’s way over blown by TV psychologists.  As long as the mother was there the boy will be fine and when his father pays for his college at USC he’ll be even finer.  The people you want to have emotion for are single poor mothers raising a child or children with no support from the father.  As for Maria Schriver it’s all crocodile tears——she knew Arnold was messing around.  She’s just pissed that she was betrayed by her trusted housekeeper.

@ drbhelthi, May 23 at 12:45
SPEAKING OF “BALDERDASH” - - - !!!

Writing in caps is all good and well but it hardly amounts to an argument.

Should be really simple. Stop standing by your man and your church. Mrs. J
Edwards and M Shriver, Yeah I doubt they had no idea that their husbands behaved
badly. And then they get sympathy from the public(this is what I think is so gross).
I say the women(victims?) of these men are just as much to blame, they cosign
their power and only when a love child appears do they suddenly become wilting
flowers. Please.
And why keep going to a church that protects it’s dirty priests? Continuing to fill
that money cup every Sunday is cosigning the power of priests.

Let’s stop blaming the man, let’s start taking a good look at who really is letting
them have their way.

” To throw Sheen, Arnold and the IMF chief into the same trough as if
the behaviour of an addict, a man who’s strayed from his wife and a
rapist is all cut from the same cloth and should be judged in the same
way is a bunch of balderdash and really points to the hypocritical,
puritanical schizophrenic mind-set of the American people.”  redteddy

SPEAKING OF “BALDERDASH” - - - !!!

Now that everyone here believes they have a window into men’s soul, I would
suggest everyone worry more about the serious issues that surround us and not
who Arnold and Sheen are shagging.  I much agree with the attitude of the
French; having an affair outside of marriage, getting a divorce, fathering a child
out of wedlock, are all private affairs that should not affect politics, since
politics is about being a good bureaucrat.  What goes on in their private lives
isn’t something I care about as long as they do their job and get results.  They
are human and they are flawed, men and women alike.  The problem with
americans is that they expect all public figures to be saints of the highest
morality and character which is why they always end up with someone who only
presents an image of such.  To throw Sheen, Arnold and the IMF chief into the
same trough as if the behaviour of an addict, a man who’s strayed from his wife
and a rapist is all cut from the same cloth and should be judged in the same
way is a bunch of balderdash and really points to the hypocritical, puritanical
schizophrenic mind-set of the American people.

DaveZx3:  Sorry I didn’t get back sooner.  Yours:  “absolute selfishness, abuses, intense hatred, and brutal violence exhibited continously by mankind in general,... so pervasive and unchanging that I have to just admit that it must be an inherent component of the character of virtually all men and women”...

There have been times of relative kindness and common decency at certain places for varying periods of time. There still are such places. Which proves what?  That decency and kindness are possible among human beings. 

What makes it so much worse now is negligence (lack of empathy, awareness, courage to act) plus widespread media reporting of all the worst and very little of the best. No wonder people like you—and there are many—have given up the hope to survive.  But ...

Some people prefer to work for the best even though
it looks impossible.  They believe that is the value and the meaning of their lives, and it is their choice.  The more who choose this way, the better chance the human race has of surviving. Maybe
“goodness and mercy” will fail—but at least the
human being knows in his/heart that we should try our best—if not for ourselves, for the coming generation.  We owe it to them for having birthed them.

Kerry,
I never said women “are used as sex objects for profit.” Those are your words.

It’s my view that women are exercising their freedom when they turn up half nude on magazine covers or pose in a bikini on top of a sports car for the camera or participate in porn. They are making a choice of what to do with their life, and most of the time, it is not a forced decision. No one puts a gun to their head and makes them do something against their will.

I’ve noticed that a lot of feminist writers avoid the question of female moral agency altogether. They – you – act as though outside forces determine a woman’s behavior, and that a woman is seldom responsible for her decisions. It’s the position of “men make them do bad things” or “capitalism forces them to do things they otherwise wouldn’t do.”

I’ve read conflicting accounts about Arnold’s mistress, including one in the W Post that says she’s married.

MK

You argue against yourself saying that woman are used as sex objects for profit.

Oh, and the Arnold S lover was not married at the time she had A’s baby, and is now living with a guy who is not father to any of her children.

MK

Of course she bears responsibility.  What a pig.  She is screwing the husband of the woman who she sees everyday inside her own home.

However, it is Arnold S who pledged loyalty and love to his family.  It is he who have profoundly hurt them for just that reason. 

Oh, if you believe that since woman can have good jobs there is no such thing as sexism then you must believe that since we have a black president there is no more racism.

Kerry,
Does the woman with whom Arnold had an affair bear as much responsibility for it as he, or less?

How must that woman’s husband have felt upon learning that the biological father of his child is Arnold? Or, being a man, doesn’t his feelings count for anything?

You speak of “a woman with a man’s mind,” implying that the latter is somehow malevolent. Isn’t that sexist? You seem to think society is a privately owned company with the name “Male, Inc.” I don’t see it that way. I take the radical view that women have moral agency no less than men and that they can decide what kind of life to lead, whether that means aiding and abetting the capitalist system or starting an organization like CodePink.

We should be clear about something: the capitalist system couldn’t exist a single day without women. It is the half-nude female body and the female smile which sell merchandise today, from beer to cars to magazines to dating services to resorts to tourism to cosmetics.

Lafayette, May 22 at 11:52 am:

[A.]: Since power also corrupts, one set of power-holder[s] destroys and succeeds another, but the principle remains the same, because the system of domination and exploitation imposes [an] ideology by which it justifies itself. ...

The difference being, between then and now, is that power (then) was imposed by might and power (now) comes from the ballot box.

Which is the fundamental innovation brought about by democracy. Power should be to and off the people. ...

Things do become more complicated with liberalism.  The oppressed become complicit in their own oppression, which is thereby mitigated—sometimes.  However, the apparent behavior of Strauss-Kahn (as one example) shows that domination and abuse through class, status, wealth, gender and race have hardly vanished from our daily lives.  After all, the man was a leader of the Socialist Party.  Some socialist, eh?  Perhaps the word means something different in French.

But at least we’re getting rid of the typos!

MK

And yes, pig.  What work would you use to describe a man, or woman, who has their lover, with their illegitimate child, living under the same roof with their spouse and children, unbeknownst to them for years?

MK

The worldview of this country is patriarchial.  Some women have achieved the glass ceiling, but it is not without a price.  I know women lawyers who adopt the prevailing headset and function as a woman with a man’s mind and attitude.  I have also noticed these same woman lawyers being excluded in a discussion between the other male lawyers and a male judge.

Woman corporate business leaders do their jobs with the prevailing headset= a woman with a man’s mind, if they want to be successful.  Are you seriously trying to argue that women are not discriminated against in the workplace?

Kerry,
I don’t know which America you live in, but in my America, women can vote, choose a career, own property, run for high elective office, play professional sports, serve on the board of directors of corporations, be the president of a college and draw an annual salary of a million dollars or more, and pretty much do anything with their life that they want…

…including writing a nasty little column on Truthdig lumping all men into one broad, bad category (“mad masculinity”).

In every city in the U.S., there are women lawyers, doctors, business owners, TV anchors, politicians, and entrepreneurs.

Women have the power to give or deny pleasure to men—surely that trumps whatever little power men can claim to possess.

MK77

An extreme feminist culture?  Please.

It is reality to notice who holds the reins of power in America.  It is a patriarchal country with a patriarchal world view.  If you don’t notice it, it is because you are not a women and must unconsciously reap the benefits.

Unless, of course, you are a battered male and continually defer to female power in your personal life.  I have news for you… your personal life and America’s institutional life are two different things.

CRUMBS OFF THE ECONOMIC TABLE

Zx3: Since power also corrupts, one set of power-holder destroys and succeeds another, but the principle remains the same, because the system of domination and exploitation imposes and ideology by which it justifies itself.

The difference being, between then and now, is that power (then) was imposed by might and power (now) comes from the ballot box.

Which is the fundamental innovation brought about by democracy. Power should be to and off the people. Of course, if a voting public becomes complacent with the status quo they are, ipso facto, allowing the usurpation of power by an elite. They are reconciling themselves to a life of living off the crumbs left on the Economic Table.

Thusly one arrives at about the same circumstance of might determining rights. Having bought powerful friends in Congress is tantamount to Might in the Marketplace. And both parties differ only slightly about allowing Vested Interests the right to warp and profit from market privileges.

Which is why, as an example, Federal oversight of markets was lax thus promoting the SubPrime Mess, the Toxic Waste and finally the Great Recession.
Which is why low Marginal Income and Capital Gains taxes provoked the avaricious greed of Top Management - particularly in Finance.

Or that DoD always seems to have preference in terms of its share of the budget - certainly preferred to that of Social Investments like:
* A Universal Health Care Public Option, or
* Funding low-cost mortgages for first-buyer homes in lower-class neighborhoods, or
* Transportation systems that allow the poor to live suburban lives and commute to jobs downtown, or
* Lowest-Cost Tertiary Education or a World-Class Primary and Secondary School Education, or
* Subsidizing lower-cost renewable energy sources to heat and homes, or
* Funding the development of batteries for a totally electric non-polluting car, or
* Etc., etc., etc.

MY POINT: The Vision Thing

It’s a Vision Thing. When a nation is fixated on Financial Reward, all other components of “well-being” (listed above) are sidelined. It does not invest in those programs that allow the poor and the lower-middle class to take the Economic Escalator up to a better existence.

DaveZx3, May 22 at 2:13 am:

By gerard, May 21 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

“It’s becoming very difficult to be a “bystander” when the world is becoming a hell of suffering and abuse”
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The world has always been a hell of suffering and abuse.  Nothing has ever changed, really. ...

I think there has been some change.  As you indicate, we are talking about a very old problem, going back thousands of years at least to the invention or development of slavery.  In a social order where only power is a consideration, any difference, whether of sex, religion, ethnicity, culture, family, or other, can be and is exploited and intensified to increase the exploitation.  Since power also corrupts, one set of power-holder destroys and succeeds another, but the principle remains the same, because the system of domination and exploitation imposes and ideology by which it justifies itself.

For various reasons that ideology has been seriously challenged in the last few hundred years.  (Otherwise, we would not be allowed to criticize and challenge it ourselves.)  It seems obvious to many people that conditions of peace, freedom and equality, however dull, are preferable to war, terror, tyranny and slavery.  But the struggle is difficult because it goes on within individuals as well as within society.  Many, many people would like peace and freedom for themselves, but do not want to allow it to others.  The misbehaviors of Schwartzenegger and DSK are the tip of the iceberg.  Hence we have paradoxical concoctions like the liberal state in which most of us live, where the principles of freedom and equality are enshrined—and neutralized—in the laws, while the same old games of power and oppression are played out by great leaders.

Since most progressives have swallowed the liberal bait, there is nothing left for them to do but whine that their leaders have not performed as promised.  However, other people out there, ‘radicals’, are genuinely and seriously trying to change the social order into something less deadly.  Who knows?  In spite of everything, they may succeed.

“But, as seems to be a problem with males in the Kennedy clan, he
can’t keep it zipped.  And I’ll bet women have been throwing
themselves at him most of his adult life.“  Inherit The Wind

Schwarzenneger, an immigrant from a village near Graz, Austria, has
never been a member of the Kennedy clan, nor in the same category. 
The idea of not keeping it zipped seems to apply to a certain
category of men, not just a few families.  For example, the IMF
director, recently.  Over the years, newspaper articles have
suggested that Schwarzenneger has done his share of “throwing”
himself at women. 

As Governor of California, neither Schwarzenneger´s having bankrupted
the state treasury nor his violation of immigration laws presents a
favourable advertisement for Republicans.  Or, any elected government
official.  Although, his behavior within his family qualifies him
with the worst of such officials.

Thank you Marcia,

Do I want to say, “inefficiency of power”(grabbing),
or “efficiency of power”(grabbing). “Inefficiency”
always suggests the consequences due; the weak, those
not interested in power, the lazy, the stupid, etc..
(and all those just being synonymous of one another),
whereas “efficiency” obviously, always suggests the
benefits due; the strong, those interested in power,
the ambitious(or energetic), the smart, etc…

Maybe the problem at knowing which word to use
depends on whether you become a victim of the word or
the benefactor. Something to do with an investment in
the tangle of dualistic thinking, for instance, the
positive not only supercedes the negative, but the
positive exists without the negative. So, if one is
dualistic, in a thinking orientation, the other side
of rampant efficiencies of social systems can never
be humane or huwomane, but rather will always be
coined with inefficient and certainly the negative.
Since dualistic thinking assumes those inefficient
and/or negative states exist and are
created/maintained on their own.

Maybe, what is in common here, is that a myth of
“efficiency of social relationships” which coincides
with the myth of “efficiency of the markets”
predicates keeping the male on the brink of savagery.
A hair trigger that keeps men of little power, and/or
of great power, quietly justified to act savage at a
moment’s or career’s notice, whether it is
perpetrated in a $1000.00 suit or $10.00 uniform, or
free robe.

Maybe Thoreau meant to say, “most men live lives of
quiet(repressed) savagery”, because they believe that
they need to be powerful, externally, to escape this
chronic and desperate inner state. Because they have
been led to believe that power can be obtained
without the back drop of the powerless. That one can
act powerful without a victim, or prey, the
exploited.

At some point, keeping enough men quietly on the edge
of savagery, cannot be justified by the energy it
supposedly musters to keep society going, or to
protect people in times of humanly or naturally
caused disasters.  This extremely leveraged social
state could have a margin call that potentially can
wipe out the earth, not simply some individual’s
psychological bank account.

Sorry about that last line,  a not so good attempt to
equate extreme financial leverage and debt of the
global economy,, with perpetually keeping all classes
of men potentially on the same inner wavelength, the
use of extreme financial leverage as a means to keep
enough men waiting with baited breath for the signal
to act out with savagery, be that by raping another
person, economy, state, country, environment,
species, spiritual notion or a public trust. 

I remember an industrialist once told me, he would
rather have the problems associated with being rich,
than the problems associated with being poor.  I
think Macia, he meant, he would rather have the
problems associated with being the exploitor(the
powerful) rather than having the problems associated
with being the exploited(the powerless).

What is of course overlooked in this dualistic
thinking, is that one is the other, and the other is
but of the one. I suppose the answer lies in “unity”,
of it all,,,, and the ceasing of beliefs that create
economic, social and legal systems that split
humanity into endless halfs, so that progress or
profit or power can be collected and/or measured in
impossible ways. One cannot ever hope to choose to
spit reality into two alienable parts or halfs.

Rhuen Phreed
11 Marlborough Street, #22
Boston, MA 02116

“It is unfortunate that it took a scandal of such proportions to out the
malfeasance of both the IMF and the French Press. But, curiously, that’s
always the way it seems to happen, doesn’t it.”  Lafayette

How accurate!
I am looking forward to the day when a similar event occurs with the
U.S.GOV and the U.S. press !

AS: What’s the solution?! 

The solutions were in place ... they just didn’t work.

First, in France, he should have been outed long ago for his indecent behaviour. The “don’t tell, don’t ask protocol” regarding political peccadilloes has quite likely ended. Any politician in the future will certainly by treated with far less deference.

Secondly, at the IMF, the “internal investigation” that looked into the Nagy accusation was incomplete and ineffectual. He should have been sanctioned by the Board instead of given a slap on the wrist. (He admitted the affair and simply apologized). Licentious behaviour at the IMF was practiced, if not commonly, but well-known. Apparently the IMF thought it was above reproach.  That too is unlikely to happen ever again.

It is unfortunate that it took a scandal of such proportions to out the malfeasance of both the IMF and the French Press. But, curiously, that’s always the way it seems to happen, doesn’t it.

An intense, lengthy review of the picture in this article reveals the
basics of the relationship between this couple.

Two questions.
Who is standing tall and dominating?
Who is bending and doing the accommodating?

“When asked about his weaknesses, Strauss-Kahn described them as “money, women, and my Jewishness.”
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The statement above summarizes Strauss-Kahn’s case. How strong and to what degree each of these three factors contributed to his savage behavior, only an Omniscient God will know. But from the lessons of history, we know, for sure, that one alone of these three factors is bad enough to lead to corruption, abuse and pure evil.

Another summary to the issues raised in this article is that “power corrupts absolutely.” Whether it’s power derived from economic, political or religious-ethnicity sense of privilege, the powerless is always bound to suffer from the savagery and inhumanity built in these three-axis-of-evil.

What’s the solution?! I don’t claim to have an elaborate magical scheme. However, enacting laws that put strict limits on these aspects of power and enacting severe punishments for those who are caught in abuse of power, which includes life sentences and stripping them off all and any wealth they might have accomulated.

Sadly, men are men regardless of power. Unfortunately, what the governator did, is no different what happens in everyday society. The only difference is that these men in power are public figures, and more importantly, they have the means to pay women off.

Arnold was not a politician, he was a puppett of the Republicans who told him what to do. He was incompetent, inept, and nothing more than a salesman. It still amazes me that our Democratic state elected such a bufoon.

Looking back, now we know why our founding fathers did not want the “common” to vote.

Promiscuity has nothing to do with power, but more to do with our inability to control our sexual needs.

The sad thing is that Schwarzenegger is one of the sanest and (dare I say it) most honest Republican politicians out there.  He’s stayed away from all the bat-shit crazy right-wingers and followed a more Nelson Rockefeller-type Republicanism than the rest of the party.  And he hasn’t really suffered for it: Who’s gonna take on the Terminator?

But, as seems to be a problem with males in the Kennedy clan, he can’t keep it zipped.  And I’ll bet women have been throwing themselves at him most of his adult life.  He and Dolly Parton did a poster labeled “Heavenly Bodies” back in the 70’s.

Ultimately, though, unless he runs for Senator, his voyage into politics is over. So…now he’s just a movie star again.

Truthdig:  this piece is a mess.  Don’t start with the bad writing.

We live in an extreme feminist culture in which women are held up as saints and men are derided as uncouth, sex-crazed “pigs.”

Truthdig carries an article by Marcia Dawkins; why doesn’t it balance her views out with something from Warren Farrell?

Say what you like about individual pigs, but unless the culture changes, which is unlikely, the pigs and the more ossified feminist power structure will remain the same.

Male power is institutionalized.  I have felt it in the court system and the workplace.  There is nothing like a parade of suits in court, or a parade of suits in a conference to assure me that my skirt suit does not quite cut it.

Say what you like about individual pigs, but unless the culture transforms, which is unlikely, the pigs and the more ossified patriarchial power structure will remain the same.

BAD-BOY BEHAVIOUR

Jomo: In the case of the IMF man, he was apparently feeling so alien and inadequate in a foreign country; that he believed he could impose his will on someone in an even more vulnerable situation.

In the case of the “IMF man”, it was not a matter of living in the US. His bad-boy behaviour was well known in France, but it never made it into the news. And it never impinged upon his political career.

And he never raped anyone, which is why his criminal proceedings in the US are unbelievable here. In fact, his “conquests” were for the most part consensual. At least once, however, a woman is ready to testify that she was sexually assaulted and floored and that she was obliged to beat him off.

One French Prime Minister, overnight, fired all his female French ministers. His political career went to hell in a hand-basket immediately. However, he has since been politically resuscitated - he is now France’s Foreign Minister.

FRENCH CUSTOMS

Not only DSK, but other French politicians had benefited from the same “protocol” - their private lives were private and not for public consumption.

That is likely to change. But that was also France with its ancient customs. French politicians who were known as seducers, where also assumed to be “virile” and therefore good leaders. How’s that for nonsense?!?

It takes a real scandal for some things to change in terms of social customs in some countries. In France, and until about five years ago, women who reported rape where dissuaded from making a formal complaint at police stations. Which would have required an investigation.

Now there are women police on duty ready to assist in their making a formal complaint.

Lafayette: “…how many women have you noticed rape men who are subordinate to them?”
—-

For every male boss who rapes a female subordinate, how many are there who don’t—maybe 5,000? Why should the rare occurrence inform the culture’s view of men?

Suppose a white man saw a black man steal something from a store. Wouldn’t it be stupid and prejudiced for the white man to conclude that most black men are thieves?

Darth: “Let me see…because USUALLY it IS the man. Maria Shriver did not carry on with the butler, did she?”
—-

I don’t know, and I’d guess you don’t know either, whether Maria had an extramarital affair or whether she flirted with other men.

We do know one thing, however: Arnold could not have had an adulterous affair unless a female consented to it. Does the consenting woman in this case bear any moral responsibility for the relationship?

This may come as a surprise to certain feminists, but there are women who cheat on their men; women who use men for their money; women who flirt and seduce married men. But we almost never see the male equivalent of an extreme feminist—and who would that be, a masculinist?—write nasty little diatribes about the opposite sex, as indeed the author of this column wrote about “mad masculinity.”

JUST THE FACTS, MA’AM

Zx3: Do the progressives have a secret plan to change man into something which he isn’t?  So far it ain’t workin’.

Nope, none that I know of - wanna write one?

Rape statistics globally show that the crime is not relegated to the poorest country. See here.

And, it seems, in the listing it appears that the US is right up there with the worst - 9th in a series of 65 countries. In the top-ten! Yes!

Along with other anglo-saxon countries such as Australia and Canada. Most surprising is Canada, which also has some of the best educational testing scores as well.

So, the occurrence of rape is apparently not a question of level of education but, perhaps, societal morals. It would take a seasoned statistical researcher to find with what other stats the rape series correlates.

But the answer would be very interesting indeed.

CAVEAT

As this report states:

Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime

So, no reported rape, no crime. But what is also key is that the rape statutes be enforced.

MK: Why is it always the man who is ridiculed and pilloried?

Because how many women have you noticed rape men who are subordinate to them?

By gerard, May 21 at 5:14 pm Link to this comment

“It’s becoming very difficult to be a “bystander” when the world is becoming a hell of suffering and abuse”
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The world has always been a hell of suffering and abuse.  Nothing has ever changed, really.  There is absolutely no evidence that at the personal level, men and women, as a whole, exhibit any more or less love and compassion or any more or less hatred and violence than they ever did. 

Every few weeks one of the prominent ones gets caught.  Big deal.  Man is what he is. Do the progressives have a secret plan to change man into something which he isn’t?  So far it ain’t workin’. 

I am not condoning the absolute selfishness, abuses, intense hatred, and brutal violence exhibited continously by mankind in general, but really, it is so pervasive and unchanging that I have to just admit that it must be an inherent component of the character of virtually all men and women. 

Not to say there aren’t small islands of genuine love and compassion out there, but they are not connected to any specific ideology, and they don’t appear to be having much of a real impact. 

Mostly it is about survival of the strongest, which is certainly a natural concept, nature having obviously zero love or compassion for the weak or disadvantaged. 

So by what process is it that man can be expected to overcome the nature of his natural self? 

The constant whining of the Chris Hedges/Truthdig mentality is about as useful as a rubber crutch.  And taking to the streets with sticks and torches is a great example of how to protest violence and about as helpful as whipping your kids everday to make them obedient. 

I came onto this site a couple of years ago to try to discern the vision of the left, but so far, I have seen nothing.  Just a lot of complaining, mostly, and stupid articles which proclaim, like this one, “the rise of mad masculinity is reaching new heights” 

No, it is the same old heights.  Nothing has changed.  Nothing has ever changed, really.

I suppose that it was inevitable that someone would waste our time with a rant about
Arnold.  No matter how much you dislike him or what he has done try not to use him to
turn all men into the enemy.  There is no nirvana waiting for us if woman gain more
power as political leaders,  that’s just another fairy tale. The results of women ganging
more political power are already plain to see, at least 50 million abortions.  Apparently,
some women, find powerful men irresistible no matter how despicably they behave. 
Those that do need their heads examined, just as do the men whose narcissistic desire
for self gratification is clearly pathological.

“Why is it always the man who is ridiculed and pilloried?”

Let me see…because USUALLY it IS the man. Maria Schriver did not carry on with
the butler, did she? One day, maybe, we really have equality and many more
women in the ranks of power, Then we shall see if women fall under the spell of
power and sexually abuse men in anything like fashion or degree we take for
granted today.

Check back in 500 years, if the human race of all genders is still around…

“Power-Mad Man Have Their Moment”

If everything comes out it might just make up more than one moment.

Shouldn’t women take responsibility for their choices in men?

Maria very likely knew what Arnold was all about but she married him anyway. I’m sure there were scores of better men she could’ve married but perhaps they didn’t have Arnold’s fame and bank account. And let’s be honest here: women do fancy men who are wealthy and famous.

Why is it always the man who is ridiculed and pilloried?

Wasn’t the house worker as responsible as Arnold for having an adulterous affair? Yet the author makes no mention of “mad femininity.”

And what about the prostitutes servicing all those politicians like Spitzer? Aren’t they to some degree morally responsible for the liaison?

There’s way too much misandry in our culture today, and frankly it’s a shame I have to encounter in on such a good site as Truthdig.

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There is nothing missing. What it is is the refusal to see what is
here. This planet CANNOT keep going along in a nice neat
orderly way with ~7,000,000,000 people and still growing. How
can the human culture continue with some semblance of order,
morals, decorum and civility when certain people take a stand
that they have the right & power, be by money or physical
power, to do as they please and the others just stand in line and
wait their turn of abuse or skullduggery for their benefit. How in
the whole world with all the inequities that only a few really
benefit from, how does the rest of the population act.

Just think, that by some perverted calculating, it is predicted the
population of humans will be 9,000,000,000 in about 2050. I
say more because the population in not doubling but is growing
exponentially as in from around the mid-20th century of
2,000,000,000 to October 2005 when some group, probably the
u.n., decided the human population would reach 6,500,000,000
people. In essence here, we will be leaving most any progeny a
world hard to live on anywhere.

And again, just a little %age extrapolation. With the current
~7,000,000,000 people if just 10% were considered bad,
criminal or evil, that would make a segment of 700,000,000
people on this planet some sorry mean and devious people.

It’s an ugly situation and the solution is just as or more ugly.
And all of this from a species considered the most intelligent in
the KNOWN universe with all the amenities of governance,
religion and economics for whatever their worth, are now just
proving their ineptness at what they were created to do. So I
wouldn’t expect those creators of the hell on this planet to just
give in and say ‘we’re sorry, can we start over now and be like
you?’

Population, one of those sacrosanct subjects not to be
discussed.

What’s missing?  It’s called “empathy” or “social intelligence” and up till very recently it has not been studied much. What is it?  How do some people “get” while others do not?  Can it be taught? What does a “culture of violence” mean to “empathy”?

But now there’s a rising interest, since millions of people are realizing that something is wrong with male dominance, wars one after the other, social violence, greed, extreme poverty and suffering, child prostition, exploitation etc. etc. ad nauseum.

It’s becoming very difficult to be a “bystander” when the world is becoming a hell of suffering and abuse.