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Palin’s Egocentric Umbrage

Posted on Jan 18, 2011

By Eugene Robinson

In the spirit of civil discourse, I’d like to humbly suggest that Sarah Palin please consider being quiet for a while. Perhaps a great while.

At the risk of being bold, I might observe that her faux-presidential address about the Tucson massacre seemed to fall somewhat flat, drawing comparisons to the least attractive public moments of such figures as Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew. I could go so far as to observe that Palin almost seemed to portray herself as a collateral victim. Surely a former governor of Alaska—who served the better part of an entire term—would never seek to give the impression that she views any conceivable event, no matter how distant or tragic, as being All About Sarah.

Yet this is the unfortunate impression that Palin’s videotaped peroration seems to have left. I am at a loss to recommend any course of corrective action other than an extended period of abstinence from Facebook, Twitter and other social networking sites.

Palin doubtless understands by now that characterizing her alleged persecution by journalists and commentators with the term “blood libel” was a semantic faux pas. One must question, however, not only the tone of her complaint but the content as well. Did she, indeed, have a legitimate grievance? I must be frank: The evidence suggests not.

Days earlier, Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, a Democrat, had been shot while meeting with her constituents; six people were killed in the incident, including a federal judge, and more than a dozen others injured. It happens that Giffords’ district, in southern Arizona, is passionately divided on just about every hot-button issue.

It also turns out that before last November’s election, Giffords gave a television interview expressing her concern about the bitterness and rancor of our political debate. In the interview, Giffords cited a graphic that Palin had posted on Facebook—a map identifying congressional districts being targeted for Republican gains. The districts, including Giffords’, were highlighted with an unfortunate symbol: the cross hairs of a rifle scope.

One of Palin’s aides must have been trying to lighten a dreary week with a bit of humor when she claimed that the cross hairs were actually those of a surveyor’s scope. Perhaps the ruse would have been more effective if viewers of Palin’s “reality” television show hadn’t recently watched her use a high-powered rifle, not a theodolite, to fell a caribou. Or, indeed, if Palin hadn’t famously counseled fellow Republicans not to retreat but instead to “reload.”

In her statement, Palin gave the impression of being appalled that journalists mentioned the cross-hairs graphic in the hours after the rampage in Tucson. She singled out reporters and pundits, not political activists who might bear partisan animus. Surely she must have anticipated that viewers who recall her course of collegiate study—journalism—would be baffled at this reaction.

In the days since, we have learned that the alleged gunman, Jared Lee Loughner, appears to be an unbalanced young man whose political views are confused and perhaps irrelevant. But at the time, nothing was known about the assailant or his motives. I am confident that at least one of Palin’s professors must have taught her that in reporting about a shooting, the fact that the principal target felt threatened is highly relevant information, as is the specific nature of that threat.

It is also relevant that most of the violent political rhetoric that blights the public discourse is emanating from the far right—a constituency for which Palin speaks, often so colorfully. In the 1960s and ’70s, this was not the case; anti-government invective and unsettling talk of “revolution” came primarily from the far left. Palin is perhaps too young to remember that era, but as a student of history, she must have read about it—and must recognize the contrast between then and now.

For her to take such umbrage, then, at the reporting of evident, pertinent and factual information deepens the impression that she is—and I must be frank—astoundingly thin-skinned and egocentric.

The way Palin portrayed herself as not only a popular champion but also a martyr reminded me—not for the first time—of Eva Peron. If she chooses this unpromising route to higher political office, I suggest she find a suitable balcony from which to deliver her next address to the nation.

Or perhaps—solely in the interest of civil discourse—that there be no next address.

Eugene Robinson’s e-mail address is eugenerobinson(at)
© 2011, Washington Post Writers Group


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By oddsox, January 28, 2011 at 1:07 pm Link to this comment

Surfnow, feeling better today?

WTF?  Wants To Fail.

That’s Sarah Palin now, I believe she no longer WANTS to be President.
Her latest remarks should give great comfort to those who fear her.

if you haven’t read it yet, Time’s cover story is good background,8599,2036045,00.html

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By drbhelthi, January 24, 2011 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

“I guess Gabrielle Giffords and her video statement
about words having consequence is your idea of a
“pawn for the current US adminstration?”  Nice

The “twist” results from your “guess,” a consequence
of your comprehension and imagination.
My comments are explained in the body of my blog.

Anyone with remote experience is keenly aware that
the Tucson event was an assassination, with two
targets, and murder of innocent folk, one child
selected, as a distraction.

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By zzonerr, January 23, 2011 at 3:58 pm Link to this comment

<<Saying that S. Palin is mouthing hate symbolism, simply supports the scapegoating that was begun by the pawns of the current US administration.>>

Scapegoating?  This may be a language problem. 
Scapegoating is the practice of singling out any party for unmerited negative treatment or blame.  I guess Gabrielle Giffords and her video statement about words having consequence is your idea of a “pawn for the current US adminstration?”  Nice diversion!

Back to the topic at hand.  Congressman Steve Cohen got some things right this week. After he compared right wing saturation propaganda tactics to methods used by Goebbles, the MSM dragged him in by the scruff of his neck to make him apologize. He said the comparison is right but he wouldn’t say it again. 

Also this week, the MSM vulgarians had no idea what to do with the 50th anniversary story of Ike’s dire warning about creeping fascism in his farewell speech.  Nor did they connect any dots between the recent Tucson events, the bomb that was placed on the MLK parade route in Spokane, and the graffiti threats against Gov. Brown which were punctuated with a swastika which was shown on CCN without comment. 

The flickering grainy images of two presidents from 50 years ago must seem like incomprehensible oracles of the past to the MSM crowd that cooed about Palin’s presidential chances every morning for the last two years.

Far from having been scapegoated by anyone, Palin was given plenty of room to be Palin while the vulgarians applauded. Her recent media appearances didn’t do anything to conjure up presidential comparisons.  Instead, placed herself in a different genre that suits her well:  auditioning for a pilot of Real Housewives of Wasilla.

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By drbhelthi, January 22, 2011 at 6:32 pm Link to this comment

Saying that S. Palin is mouthing hate symbolism, simply supports the scapegoating that was begun by the pawns of the current US administration.

Palin is engaged only in talking.  The US administration is engaged in genocide of Moslem folk in their own countries.  Begun by the GHWBushSr family entourage and its fairy tale of “weapons of mass destruction.”  Similar to the GHWBushSr family entourage fairy tale about Moslems carrying out the destruction of the twin towers.  Murdering a few thousand Americans and visitors while systematically demolishing two buildings, in order to entitle a rich israeli punk to millions in insurance payments for a building complex that was no longer profitable, is not exactly “kosher.”  Blaming the “Taliban”?  Another fairy tale.

The initial hole in the pentagon, and the fairy tale about an airliner crashing into it?  The only evidence of an aircraft crashing into the pentagon, was the small jet engine that finally stopped its trajectory in a hallway of the 4th tier of the pentagon.  Which engine was used in the guided missile carried and fired by missile-carriers of the US Navy in 2001.

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By Maani, January 22, 2011 at 4:31 pm Link to this comment


Although I appreciate your putting the Scriptural passage in context, by doing so you actually end up strengthening my point.  I hope I don’t have to explain how.

However, you miss an even more important passage with regard to Palin.  She may or may not be or claim to be some sort of “prophet,” but she is (or claims to be) a Christian.  Thus, I would offer this:

“Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.”

And this:

“All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

In these passages, Christians are called to “reprove, rebuke, exhort” “correct, instruct” fellow Christians when they fail to act or speak like Christians; i.e., when they are not acting truthfully, humbly, lovingly, etc.

Given that, as others have noted here, Palin is sadly lacking in “truth” (she lies both blatantly and by omission) and humility (the entire point of Robinson’s article, which is on point) – and she refuses to accept and admit these things, instead becoming defensive, playing the victim, and simply blaming others (which, from a psychological point of view, is both projection and denial) – I continue to question her words, actions and motives.  Indeed, in my opinion, SHE is the “wolf in sheep’s clothing” – and thus do I keep a wary eye on her.


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By zzonerr, January 22, 2011 at 4:05 pm Link to this comment

Anytime you hear folks who are aligned with the rightists, or with Christian fundamentalists, invoke the New Testament phrase, “Do not judge or you too will be judged,” you really have to wonder. 

If someone on the right can assert that this phrase admonishes Christians not to judge, then wouldn’t Christians have to give up their stance on abortion,  for example, because it’s a judgment?

In real fact, this biblical phrase isn’t a prohibition on judging.  Instead, it’s a caution directed to hypocrites. The very next verses state, “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?  You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” 

It was good advice then and it’s good advice now.

The Palin supporters show their true colors when they take a biblical phrase out of its context and twist its meaning to try to stifle criticism of their idol.

A bit farther along in the Sermon, the focus shifts from the would-be hypocrites to the general audience, the followers, those easily deceived by the hypocrites. The instruction given to them is clear. A person is known by their deeds.  The poetic image of “bearing fruit” used in these verses is particularly noteworthy today when we discuss the bitter produce that was borne of Palin’s words and deeds.  Opposite from saying that making judgments is sinful, the Sermon implores the followers to observe closely and make conclusions about the public figures of the day based on their behavior.

Religion is supposed to be important to these folks on the right. But they don’t know anything about real Christianity. Even the Christian radio stations broadcast poorly disguised racist tirades, echoed by Rick Santorum this week. If you listen to these shows, you’ll hear a lot of agitated hand-wringing about abortion being the equivalent of black genocide. Pay attention to what they say and especially to what they don’t say. You might come away with the impression that only blacks get abortions, often for selfish frivolous reasons. You try to imagine who the audience might be for this cynical diatribe against African-Americans, and then you remember it’s a religious radio station.  But it’s no coincidence that what they broadcast aligns with some of white supremacist ideology and the commercials advertise doomsday survival kits.

There is no taboo when it comes to speaking out against the mainstreaming of extremist ideology. Palin, Bachman, Angle, Beck, Limbaugh, and many others are playing with fire when they place themselves in alliance with extremists, who advocate the use of guns and violence in our political process.  The MSM has handed a megaphone to a tiny fraction of the American public instead of pointing out the danger this group represents. 

Words are powerful. They have consequence. Use them for good and they will bear good fruit.

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By Nola, January 22, 2011 at 3:14 pm Link to this comment

This is starting to remind me of something familiar;
What I am beginning to hear is crucify her, crucify her, crucify her, and her family too. But there are also some rational people, who know Truth, making their presence known out there, and I appreciate that. However, the yelling is becoming louder than the truth. Screaming hate filled people don’t hear truth..they hear what they want to hear and that is it.  I no longer want any part of this conversation - you are on your own. You obviously feel deeply threatened by Palin, as did the crowd that did not approve of Christ, and what he stood for. Those people that chanted those words to place Christ on the cross were wrong to do so and history boldly revealed that mistake (within 3 days). Some of those people that sent Jesus to the cross were highly educated scholars -but just like you find today in our society, dumb as a rock when it came to recognizing Truth. They scrutinized Jesus, followed him, tempted him, provoked him, watched every move he made, all before his death. Yet even though they inspected his motives with a fine tooth comb they were still blinded by hate and fear. What we do to other people as well as for other people and the words we speak is something each of us will answer for at the throne of God one day. I would prefer to stand before God and answer for trying to defend someone’s rights to be protected and not have to try and explain my hateful heart and why I verbally requested to crucify (physically or publicly) another human being (one of his children at that). If each of you would place a picture of your face on your post along with his email address I bet the tone would be different. It is easy to be rude, nasty and hateful behind the firewall. Palin is not a doormat and so I will pray that God’s will is done in her life and He continues to give her strength to carry on in the mission He chooses for her. Thanks for the opportunity to connect with each of you -it’s been a real experience in the least. God bless you.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 22, 2011 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment

Nice sermon, Nola.
However it does seem to deviate from most of your posts.

Please note that all the things you said people shouldn’t do are exactly what the TeaParty and their heroine, Sarah Palin does.

Perhaps, if you actually BELIEVE what you preach, you should look at the people you defend and see that they do just the opposite.  A little introspection never hurts….

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By reynolds, January 22, 2011 at 11:59 am Link to this comment

the rabid, raving supporter of sarah palin is more
illustrative- and condemning- of her flimsy character,
and motives, than the reasonable detractor.
would so devout an adherent to her dogma have the least
respect for a moslem, or jew so moved? i doubt it.
jesus’ message doesn’t translate to aggression. go tell
it on the mountain. better yet, be still and know.

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By Nola, January 22, 2011 at 10:47 am Link to this comment

In reference to some scripture placed on here earlier by another person .. I feel we need to post the entire scriptures paragraph in full and not remove the beginning from it’s surrounding message so that it is fully understood; it is as follows:
  15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Unless Mrs. Palin has stated she is a profit or teacher of the gospel, and I am deciding on following her,  I would prefer to use the following scripture contained within the same chapter of Matthew 7 instead, when discussing how to to treat her;

1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
And then there is this scripture again in the same chapter:
28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

We are only people and do not have the right to convict anyone of lying about their walk with God. We can assume that our ‘teachers’ might not be true prophets, but then again even if that is so he did not tell us to run into the streets and announce our opinion on that either.  Anyone who discerns his minister is a fake should run away as fast as his feet can go though! For the end days will reveal many of these people.
We should treat famous people as our neighbor too. We should not gossip, not try and ruin someones reputation of reflect badly upon their character, and we should show grace to others as we would want shown to us. Focusing on others flaws and faults is a bad habit that needs to be broken. We need to check our own hearts first. And we shouldn’t announce it in the streets to everyone…by saying look at his or hers flaws. If you focus on flaws first the chances of seeing good are slim to none. Negative behavior doesn’t come from the good in us, it comes from a dark heart, that needs to be revived (that’s Christ’s job too). God doesn’t keep score on us and does not hate us when we make mistakes or say the wrong things. He does not throw us under the bus in front of others either, like we often do. He guides us and develops us and gives us encouragement. He loves us and helps us along on this tough planet called Earth. Our job is to evaluate any candidate fairly, consider the consequences of their possible leadership role, and pray for them. It is not our job to follow them around, peek in their windows, gossip about them and their families, or turn others against them. I’m here as a messenger only…...not as someone for or against Sarah. I’m for Jesus and against hating people personally. Hate what our society is doing to people and our threatened right to speak freely if you feel the need to be ticked off.I would stand up for the rights of anyone to speak out, and defend their family, religion, reputation, and values. If any of you are still determined that Sarah needs to be quiet…. Well take it from a mom of an adult child that likes to try and convince me of her different values, than I cannot embrace…. the best way to get peace and quiet is to stop listening sometimes. Normally people don’t like to talk to walls and soon retreat. Sadly enough turning off the local News and changing the station to the Jetson’s sometimes actually makes more sense to me.:O Be blessed not stressed.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 22, 2011 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

I was hoping to find an opinion from a tolerant, compassionate and accepting individual on the unhinged, unmitigated, hatred for all things Palin.  This evening there is one.  Thank you, Nola.

There is not a spot of difference in the rationalizations of the unchecked hatred for Sarah Palin and those regularly seen of George Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, John Boehner, Paul Wolfowits, Glenn Beck, etc. ad nauseum.

But it’s Ms. Palin whom should and must drop the bitter criticisms.  Her vitriol proves only to foster division and violence.  Or so we are told.  Repeatedly.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 22, 2011 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

She has not contributed to the destruction of the USA.

Really? So you don’t think her husband’s membership in an Alaskan secessionist organization, and her work for that organization doesn’t contribute to the destruction of the USA?  Her active participation in treason?

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By zzonerr, January 22, 2011 at 7:29 am Link to this comment

There was evidence of white supremacist activity in southern Arizona before the “crosshairs” map. On May 30, 2009, there was an attack on the home of Raul Flores in Arivaca, a place you won’t find on a map. southwest of Tucson, in the open desert. This place is ground zero in the anti-immigration controversy.  When the Minuteman Project was founded in 2005, as a citizen’s group to patrol the border, it was open to anyone who wanted to join.  It was only a matter of time before the area became a magnet for neo-nazi, white supremacist militia men and women.  The real crazies.  They create mayhem and accumulate criminal records wherever they go. No different than any other violent gang, they engage in a variety of illegal activities to raise money. Inevitably, there are locals who get involved, who may or may not share the same ideas and perspective.

Three individuals were charged with invading the home of Raul Flores, and killing him and his 9 year old daughter.  His wife survived the attack.  One of the suspects is Shawna Forde, an avowed white supremcist with ties to several groups.  A second suspect, Jason Bush, has ties to Aryan Nation.  Forde was picked up by law enforcement on or near the Glenn Spencer ranch and it was learned that she and Spencer were acquainted with each other and participated in some of the same groups.  Spencer is a prominent anti-immigrant who appeared on Dobbs, for example, when he was still on CNN.  Forde had actually been a guest at Spencer’s ranch though he later claimed that he knew nothing about her background. A year after the murders, the tea party decided to hold a SB1070 rally near the border on Glenn Spencer’s ranch.  The guests included Republican State Sen. Russell Pearce, JD Hayworth who was challenging McCain for the Republican slot for US Sen., and Joe Arpaio, the Republican sheriff of Maricopa county, currently under investigation by the Justice Dept.

This isn’t the only example of tea party connections to neo-nazis.  Giffords’ opponent, Jesse Kelly, was endorsed during the election by ALIPAC.  William Gheen, ALIPAC president, spoke in Shawna Forde’s defense. There was a debate about his neo-nazi ties.

As for Forde, the media whitewashed the story by saying that she’s mentally deranged which may be true, but is far from the whole story.  Her trial was supposed to begin this week but may have been delayed.

Palin’s noise doesn’t surpass the hate politics practiced in-state.  In the district next to Giffords, Dem. congressman, Raul Grijalva, received a package containing white powder and swastikas during the campaign.  A ton of outside money was poured into congressional districts 7 & 8.  The Republicans expected to unseat Giffords and Grijalva and failed, even in the year of the shellacking.
It’s hard to tell with Palin where exactly she stands because she aligns herself with exremists by her own words when she uses gun imagery in her political speeches.  The people who want to go on a modern day blood libel rampage get excited.  The ‘crosshairs’ symbol on her map could also be mistaken for the Celtic cross symbol used by white supremacists.  The blood libel term conjures up images of mobs, stirred up by false accusations, and going on a rampage.  It’s not as antiseptic as the definition she gave.
It’s interesting that the Christian radio stations are all talking about the Revelation, a book that talks about the ‘blood guilt’ of Jerusalem. What they say isn’t much different that yelling “Fire” in a crowded theatre just to create mayhem.

Districts 7 & 8 were supposed to be low-hanging fruit for the Republicans. In spite of all the hate saturation there, the voters still rejected the extremists attempts to infiltrate the mainstream.  They can never win.

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By drbhelthi, January 22, 2011 at 4:32 am Link to this comment

“By Inherit The Wind, January 22 at 12:35 am Link to this comment
The reason for despising Sarah Palin is simple: She says mean, stupid, nasty shit all the time that isn’t true.  Plus, she’s corrupt and uses power as a weapon to crush anyone seen as an enemy.”

If this distortion is even reasonably accurate, then she is following the example set by the GHWBushSr family entourage, amplified by their pawns that followed them, capped by the current CIA operative born in Kenya” !!

But still, one huge difference remains between S. Palin and the NAZI-oriented GHWBSr entourage.  She has not contributed to the destruction of the USA.
A smaller difference is that she actually does what she says, which is contrary to the Disinformation Program of the NAZI element of the CIA. 
No wonder NAZI-types, and a few others, are scapegoating her. 

I guess thats why she is gaining credibility with Americans, who increasingly compare a politician´s actions with pre-election promises.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 21, 2011 at 10:16 pm Link to this comment

Maani materialized from thin air, like an angel. That’s too hyperbolic, but the sentiment is genuine.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 21, 2011 at 7:35 pm Link to this comment

The reason for despising Sarah Palin is simple:
She says mean, stupid, nasty shit all the time that isn’t true.  Plus, she’s corrupt and uses power as a weapon to crush anyone seen as an enemy.

Finally, she’s wrong about pretty much everything, factually wrong.  Sort of like a live Lucy Van Pelt. She was also an atrociously bad mayor and governor, who, on top of everything is a quitter, who left her state in the lurch for her own advancement.  As Gene says, it’s “All About Sarah”.

Normally, this wouldn’t matter, but she wants to be President despite being blatantly unqualified, but she’s so good at one thing—feeding raw meat to the far right base that her chances are non-zero.  In fact, she’s the front-runner for the GOP nomination, and even Newt, Mitt and Huck are seeing how dangerous she is.

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By Maani, January 21, 2011 at 6:56 pm Link to this comment


Re your response to Nola, you took the words right out of my mouth; I had planned to respond to Lola similarly.

As a Protestant minister, I am not convinced that Palin is a “true” Christian (as opposed to a self-proclaimed one who may not be what she claims).  As you note, many of her words and actions do not seem to spring from a “legitimate” Christian approach.

Obviously, I do not know what is in her heart, nor would I presume to.  But if, as Scripture says, a person is known by their “fruits,” I find much of Palin’s “fruit” to be spoiling, if not rotten.


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By JDmysticDJ, January 21, 2011 at 5:57 pm Link to this comment


Perhaps because Sarah Palin shares your political perspective you are able to accept that she is a legitimate Christian. Having been subject to her shrill and mean spirited attacks on my beliefs, I can not.

Perhaps the most significant question of recent political history would be, “Sarah who?” This obscure politician whose husband belonged to a secessionist group, before which she spoke, was obviously chosen by the McCain camp to add glitz and glamour to a bland candidate, and a bland campaign. Unfortunately for the McCain camp, it was soon discovered that she was unqualified and a rogue.

Perhaps Sarah heard a higher calling when she abandoned the sinking ship of her Governorship, but I believe she had other motivations.

Her superficial characteristics I find to be abrasive, lacking in civility, and her crazy eyed demeanor can only be appealing to those who have lust in mind.

Her personal life resembles a cheap Soap Opera, and surely you can not believe her parenting skills are worthy of praise, and of the highest order. Her overwhelmed and similarly questionable son in law has publicly commented about her questionable parenting skills. This brings us into the realm of Soap Opera, so I’ll abstain from further comment.

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
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I normally would not place this out there…. But I feel very led to do this:
I believe that there is someone on this site that wants to know more about having a relationship with Jesus Christ. It may be someone who has been exposed to the gospel for a long time and yet hasn’t made a decision…I’m just not sure. It is a personal decision so I would like to offer this to you;
Anyone wanting to know more is welcome to contact me at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address). If you are a woman I would be happy to explain what a life through Christ is and how to go about acquiring one. If you are a man my husband would be happy to give you guidance. Be blessed. Nola

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 4:52 pm Link to this comment
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Thanks for clarifying what you meant. It is hard to tell in writing sometimes - that is why I didn’t mention it in the beginning. However, many Christians use the name more loosely now but I think we should probably say something when we feel uncomfortable and remind them that it is a holy name, Also that He has asked us to not use it in a casual manner. It was important enough for Him to place it in the 10 commandments so when in doubt, I don’t use it other than referring to Him alone. Sadly enough, Hollywood has made it a point to use it within the first 7-10 minutes of almost every movie out there now. We can become desensitized when we listen to garbage over and over unless we make ourselves aware of it. My husband and I make note of it each time we watch a movie. They use God’s name and His Son Jesus’ name all the time. Why can’t they use Satan’s ... he doesn’t care, no they have to use the One name they have been asked not to use. We live in a world of rebellious hearts with hatred towards the creator. :( I’m glad you let me know you are not like that. Have a blessed day.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 21, 2011 at 4:26 pm Link to this comment


You make a mistake in believing my use of the term Good Lord is born of disrespect.  From my Midwestern roots the term is used with high honor. - Note the conscious use of capitalization.

From the time I understood the English language I had never heard my Grandmother use a term of profanity.  When she was peaked about something, both good and bad, she used the same term and in the same manner.  I find the term pleasing, respectful and a terrific hedge against any darker urges of the tongue.

I’ve been unaware that anyone, including yourself, felt offense.  Do not be offended in the slightest.

Good day. wink

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 3:19 pm Link to this comment
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Many times we do not know why we dislike others until we search our own hearts. That is RayLan’s job in Palin’s case not ours. I am a conservative, Christian Republican that is the mother of a far left organic eating tree hugger who lives in San Francisco. That is my daughter who I am describing,  who I love very much. I have let her speak her mind since the beginning as a small child. Otherwise she would be ‘just like me’ possibly and not herself. We get along great and respect each others differences. It makes for an exciting life to have variety. I’m not here to zoom in on others faults..I have enough of my own to worry about. I do believe feelings have a place but not in directing wars and in major government where nerves of steel are needed to keep keen focus and maintain ones leadership skills. I actually feel sorry for Palin because she was basically caught by surprise and thrown in to the ring of nonsense to her own surprise from the beginning. Her children have suffered and cannot live normal lives now. How would any of us like to have that done to us? 
Everyone has a purpose. I have seen many things in my 54 years of life and continue to learn more about people throughout my connections in Christ. I met a young man in a butcher shop yesterday who had come to America 2 1/2 months ago. As I looked into his eyes I knew he walked with Christ, there was a light or spark. I came out and asked him and yes he walked with Jesus and has for four years. We had a nice conversation and acknowledged that the Holy Spirit can identify itself from one person to another. I believe Palin is a Christian and also is just another person that has a purpose in the scheme of things. Everyone has a purpose and a voice that can be heard if we listen and stop picking out their negative traits. Christians are people, not perfect or claim to be, and others seem to forget that. Thanks for not ending with my God’s name. It was bugging me too. It is holy and deserves respect. All authority is placed into office by God, please remember that if you believe in Him. God Bless you. Cheers

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By Go Right Young Man, January 21, 2011 at 2:13 pm Link to this comment


Did you happen to notice that RayLan was unable to tackle the question of why he hates Ms. Palin with such vigor?  What we got was an reiteration of the emotion.

You, however, hit it straight on.  Ms. Palin is different, thus deserving of putrid disdain and corrupting intolerance.


Is it not safe to point out that a person as vituperous and self-righteous as Ray (stupefyingly defending attacks on children) has no business playing the whining victim? 

Of course Sarah Palin, accused as an accessory to multiple murders, has no right to defend herself.  Less she be sadly accused of “whining”.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 21, 2011 at 1:14 pm Link to this comment

GRYMie says,

RayLan,  - Palin’s kids being a perfect example of out of control hellians.
“Quickly write that you’re joking.  A feeble attempt at humor.
TMZ reports of Facebook barbs between kids?  This is how you arrive at your hate and intolerance?  What are you, 12 years old?
Good Lord!”


“Oh Good Lord, Ray etc…”

The Lord says,

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

“I never knew you, depart from me, ye that work iniquity”

“Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.”

The Lord Elaborates,

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
“Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.”
“Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.”
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst after righteousness,
for they will be filled.”
“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.”
“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.”
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.”
”Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

I will quickly write that I am joking, LOL… or maybe not.

Some would caution GRYMie about using the Lord’s name in vain, as for me, I just think he’s a joke… or maybe not.

History has shown the thoughts of hypocritical fools to be extremely dangerous.

I doubt that GRYMie will convert many people here at truthdig, but I find his political perspective to be hateful and intolerable. I’m a dedicated bigot… or maybe not.


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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 12:52 pm Link to this comment

Amen! It is not worth the time, trouble or energy it takes to try and figure people out or argue what makes them tick. Palin has her own issues as so do we. However, she, like us, has the right to stand up for herself. If we throw stones at her that doesn’t make us righteous either. I have another posting, somewhere out there that has disappeared into cyberville that was a reply directed at your posting of the Palin children’s behavior. I don’t know if it will ever show up since it was sent before GRYM’s reply to that same subject but since your energy is obviously redirected to more important things now you can just disregard it.
You have different beliefs than obviously GRYM or myself but that is okay. The right arm needs the left arm just as much as the left leg needs the right. It’s what is in the middle that really counts. Cheers.

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By RayLan, January 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

GRYM is quite inventive with excuses for what is clearly inappropriate behavior. If that behavior were targeted to his own affiliations then he would take the favorite posture of the Right - Righteous Indignation with all barrels blazing.
If Palin is a victim, she has herself to blame - nobody has made up her statements - they came out unedited from her own orifice. It argues against the main canon of the Right - taking individual responsibility.
The Blacks have a wonderful saying - ‘don’t let your mouth charge up a bill your butt can’t pay for.’ Palin has maxed out her credibility card.
A person as vituperous and self-righteous as she has no business playing the whining victim. It’s laughable. But enough about her- it’s not worth the time and trouble.

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 12:06 pm Link to this comment

Correction on typo in last response:  That is in response to GRYM (Go Right Young Man)

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 11:52 am Link to this comment

GWRM has previously requested for an explanation of why so many people hate Palin. It is not that they hate her personally for they do not ‘know’ her. They have only seen what has been shown to them by the “brood of vipers” in the News Media and trashy magazines that clutter the grocery isle end caps. They either have a problem with Republicans or Christians since she is obviously both or possibly find her threatening and/or jealous of her attractive appearance (as you pointed out).
I once moved for 7 months into the mountains of North Carolina. I had a background in the court system and ministry and applied for work in the area where we wanted to live. When being interviewed for the court position I was asked my political affiliation along with questions about how many children I had etc….(both illegal in an interview of this type). I soon found out directly from an important elected official that I would need to ‘change’ my political stand to be hired. Of course I did not, I sold my mountain retreat, reported them to Raliegh, and moved back to my home state within months. I couldn’t believe people could be so shallow and narrow minded (and afraid of change and differences). In this day and age! I experienced hatred because of where I was from, the fact I was a Christian, and because of my political belief while visiting this lovely part of the USA. People hate people because they are different from them alone. We should hate ‘evil’ and injustice toward people not ‘people personally’. Do I regret going there and spending so much money relocating? No. I was able to save, through God’s power, a dying man from burning in hell who his neighbors had given up on.  I was able to start a nursing home ministry in a church that now serves 5+ nursing facilities. I was able to help FEMA restore the city of Canton’s files after hurricane Ivan and Francis dumped floods through the city washing public records into muddy mountain sides. Palin doesn’t really care if anyone hates her, she knows she has a purpose and is content with just that. She knows it comes with the territory when walking with God. Jesus was hated when He walked here and is hated today. We are less than Him so how can we expect better. That is why she bounces back without dark circles under her eyes or refuses to shut-up when it is necessary to speak out. Her strength is not her own it comes from Christ. So those who hate her should stop wasting their time. Whatever happens in the end -only the hater loses. Never the person being hated. So if anyone on this site hates Christians, Republicans, people from Florida, or Change for good, I would suggest you move to Haywood County North Carolina. There are some beautiful mountain retreats, in fact I sold my fully furnished and I heard it is for sale once again.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 21, 2011 at 9:58 am Link to this comment

Oh Good Lord, Ray.

Perhaps you or some other peace-loving, tolerant, compassionate and all-inclusive progressive TruthDig regular can explain the unhinged, unmitigated, hatred for all things Palin?

Is the problem with Palin that she uses inflammatory language far too loosely given her position of responsibility? Of course, evocation of political opponents as “enemies, punishing, kicking ass, relegation to backseat, knives, guns, getting angry, getting in their face, hostage takers, trigger fingers, and tearing up” does not suit a national public figure and former vice presidential candidate. Oops..sorry, those allusions were actually Barack Obama’s, not Sarah Palin’s.

But Palin did believe people in Austria speak some weird language called “Austrian” and she pronounces “corpsmen” “corpse-men” as if soldiers were some sort of walking dead, and she thinks there are 57 states, and she … sorry, all that and a great deal more was Barack Obama’s, and they were slips after a weary day’s work, not “deep” reflections of reality.

OK, I think what many people don’t like about Sarah Palin is her tendency to oh so subtly, as if in “Secret Code”, emphasize race — as in her celebration of a largely white anti-government Alaskan culture. That isolation makes her especially inept anytime she must deal with the multicultural, multiracial reality of the lower 48 states. Do we remember in the campaign when she said of Obama — “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man”? Excuse me, that gem was from Senate veteran, eastern-seaboarder, and now Vice President Joe Biden.

Well, what I meant to quote was Palin’s ridiculous description of Obama as a “light-skinned African American,” one “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” OK, sorry again, that was the work of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

But at least admit her political extremism is deleterious to the commonwealth, especially her tendency to go over the top in demonizing enemies with inappropriate and hurtful language. Don’t we remember how she tarred the incumbent administration with the loony charge of “Nazis” or “digital brownshirts”? I apologize again — that stuff came out of the mouths of former US Senators Robert Byrd, Al Gore, and John Glenn.

I could go on, but I think we get the uncivil picture. The popular hatred of a self-described elite culture toward Sarah Palin is almost inexplicable — whether expressed in Andrew Sullivan’s unhinged efforts to suggest Palin faked her fifth pregnancy, or David Letterman’s slur that she seemed a “slutty flight attendant” and her 14-year-old daughter “was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez,” or CNN guest host Kathy Griffin’s crudity that her next target was the teenaged Palin daughter: “But I think it’s Willow’s year to go down.”

Let us not forget to hate Ms. Palin for the way she looks either. How can it be fair that Sarah Palin seems stunning after five children when so many in the DC-NY corridor after millennia on the exercise machine and gallons of Botox are, well, “interesting looking”?

If one is going to drop one’s “g’” and talk to the folks, then do that with Barack Obama’s “Negro dialect” when he “wants to,” not her 24/7 authentic NASCAR/Fargo patois. The former is fake and ephemeral and for liberal purposes and so okay, the latter is real and permanent and often Tea-Partyish — and oh so scary.

I personally cannot see myself voting for Sarah Palin for President of the United States. But then I can’t see myself hating her entire family with every fiber of my being either.


I’ll suggest to you, Ray, the same I have suggested to others here. Drop the hate. You’ll see better.  And, for goodness sake, stop indulging your hate-filled reality in what you learn from TMZ. - Good Lord!

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By RayLan, January 21, 2011 at 7:03 am Link to this comment


Tawdry Excuses Immoral Excuses
The kids need to take responsibility for their behavior - it’s not a Facebook problem and in this instance the kid meant homosexual in a bullying bigoted way. Loose language - just like mom. Loose lips sink ships.

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By Nola, January 21, 2011 at 1:30 am Link to this comment

Hey Szabo:

I’m sorry but the position as King of the World has been filled since the beginning of time. God placed His son in that position. He was and is and is to come. He is the beginning and the end. His name is Jesus Christ (RayLan vaguely mentioned Him earlier). You can read all about Him in the Holy Bible sold at stores worldwide (unless you live in a closed country). He is alive and sits at the right hand of the Father and intercedes for those that believe in him. If you cannot find a bible in your city, or if it is prohibited, you can contact any Christian church in America, England, Australia or any other open country and they will probably help get one to you. No matter “where” you live. They have ways.
You cannot apply for Prince of Darkness either. That position has been filled by a fallen angel named Satan that looks very much like the world today. However, he does have assistants but I’ve heard the benefits are actually ‘none’ and you will get ‘burned’ in the end. He is the reason the world is falling apart but his days are numbered. The King is returning soon and is taking him down forever. I agree with you .....the world needs to change. Big time! Please help change the world by following the instructions in the book mentioned above. If you are here in America a Holy Bible can be purchased almost anywhere. If you want to know more I have connections that spread throughout the earth. I have been in missions for Jesus for 11 years and have dealt with more people out of the US than in the US. Many people in America do think it’s all about them when it’s really all about God and His plan. So I agree with you there for sure. It is easier to reach people who are not so conceited and gullible to shallow influences like News Media and building financial dreams only to spend it at the mall. 
Oh, Please disregard any flap I get from explaining this truth to you. This message is for you only…no one else on this site. Those who live in darkness cannot stand truth or how it creates a reflection and a mirror image of their dark hearts. Many of the people on these sites are lost (meaning they don’t love or trust Jesus or his word) so negative feedback is expected. Please just ignore such feedback as well as that Prince of Darkness guy I told you about. He is not as cool or clever as he thinks he is….just basically a pain and a nuisance. God bless. Cheers.

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By oddsox, January 21, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

surfnow, sounds like we largely agree. 
Yes, I trust WSJ, Moodys, Kiplinger, S&P. 
Milton Friedman, perhaps, too… haven’t read enough of him. 

We agree 2%-4% growth is nothing to write home about.  Better than -2%, though, and, under the traditional definition, any growth is not a recession.

You wrote: “The only key economic statistic right now is unemployment, and even conservative economists admit that will not fall until at least 2015- many economists ,by the way,say 2018.” 
Agree there, too, with a little latitude for dates.

Lastly, “I am predicting a deeper economic depression, the fear and finger pointing that goes along with that and a rightwing revolution.”
You might be correct, but I’m not convinced here.  Continued bumping along the bottom is a more likely scenario.  Of course, that’s bad enough.

As for a rightwing revolution, the last election showed the Repubs can’t just throw anybody up there and expect to win (eg. Angle, O’Connell, Joe Miller).  We may well wind up with a Republican in the White House again and even a Republican senate.  If that’s what you mean by a revolution, then you may be right again.  And you and I are in agreement again—just using different terms.

But remember, surfnow, my friend, it won’t be Sarah Palin in the White House except as a guest.  Honest.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 20, 2011 at 11:51 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, - “No I’m not joking because it isn’t funny like those kids think it is.”


Obviously you’re quiet serious.

TMZ reporting how they’re paying people to camp on the Palin children’s Facebook pages is not outrageous and out of line.  That’s not creepy as hell.  What truly upsets you are the reported peaked rants back and forth between children. - I’m sorry.  The inherently evil and psychotic Palin children!

Good Lord.


With all sincerity let me clue you in on something.  My Niece says her Mother is “gay” for not allowing her to stay out past 11:00p on weekdays.  My Niece is not referring to her Mother being homosexual, my friend.  She says the same thing about the price of gas.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 20, 2011 at 11:38 pm Link to this comment

However, one must never forget that Republicans
PREFER unintelligent, uninformed, lazy, semi-literate candidates, because they are
easier for the kleptocratic plutocracy to manipulate..


Yeah, they enough of smart GOP Presidents with Nixon. But they stumbled with Bush ‘41, who is not stupid, uninformed, lazy or semi-literate, and, other than Jerry Ford, by far the best Republican in the WH since Ike…but please, Please, PLEASE don’t try to twist that to imply I think he was a GOOD President.  He wasn’t, just not nearly as bad as the triumvirate of Nixon, Reagan, and his son.

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By RayLan, January 20, 2011 at 10:43 pm Link to this comment

“This is how you arrive at your hate and intolerance?
Is that how you ask a loaded assumptive question?
If exposing hypocrisy is hatred then Jesus Christ was hateful.
Palin’s kids are the no-impulse-control-go-ballistic-on-the-slightest-insult group that bully others with homophobic hatred and bigotry.
No I’m not joking because it isn’t funny like those kids think it is.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 20, 2011 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment

RayLan,  - Palin’s kids being a perfect example of out of control hellians.


Quickly write that you’re joking.  A feeble attempt at humor.

TMZ reports of Facebook barbs between kids?  This is how you arrive at your hate and intolerance?  What are you, 12 years old?

Good Lord!

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By surfnow, January 20, 2011 at 6:58 pm Link to this comment

Sources I read and trust predict a 2% - 4% growth curve for the next 2 years, leading right through 2012.

Yes,Oddsox, and I can just imagine the sources you read and trust- MSNBC,the Wall Street Journal and all the monetarists from the Milton Friednman School of Economics.
First of all a 2 to 4 percent growth in GDP ( which by the way is nothing to write home about when we have been experiencing negative to 2 percent growth only for the past eight quarters) is the result of three factors,neither of which will end the recession. 1. Replacement of depleted stockpiles of inventory that was the result of two years of decrease in aggregate demand and 2. Rise in stock and bond prices and 3. Increase in corporate earnings which is the direct result of cost cutting- there has been a huge decrease in labor costs ( so workers still on the job are actually working harder for less pay)  The only key economic statistic right now is unemployment, and even conservative economists admit that will not fall until at least 2015- many economists ,by the way,say 2018. No, to go back to my original point. We are in for a very rough Depression, and that will translate for all of us into rightwing reactionary politics.

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By RayLan, January 20, 2011 at 6:40 pm Link to this comment

Glad you brought the subject of parenting - Palin’s kids being a perfect example of out of control hellians

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By Dale Headley, January 20, 2011 at 4:16 pm Link to this comment
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Now that Sarah Palin has sent signals that she may run for President, the
pundits are gathering to intone that she has no chance to win the nomination,
much less the presidency.  However, one must never forget that Republicans
PREFER unintelligent, uninformed, lazy, semi-literate candidates, because they are
easier for the kleptocratic plutocracy to manipulate..
  Before Democrats celebrate prematurely, however, they must not forget that the
general electorate made a man who had exhibited all those qualities, and worse,
President in 2000.
  The more interesting candidacy would be Mitt Romney’s.  The millions of
evangelicals and tea party yahoos will be have to decide which they’d hate to see
run the country more - a black man or a Mormon?

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By Maani, January 20, 2011 at 4:03 pm Link to this comment

To paraphrase an old expression, “I may not agree with what Sarah Palin says, but I will defend to the death her right to say it.”  In this regard, Robinson is way off the mark.

As well, as others have said, I welcome her ongoing verbal diarrhea, since she simply puts her foot further and further down her throat almost every time she speaks.  And this is the upshot:

“The latest CNN poll shows that 56 percent of Americans view her unfavorably. More damaging, though, is this: her unfavorable rating among women has gone up 10 points. And 59 percent of those all-important independent voters don’t like her—and that’s up a stunning 14 points in just a few months.”


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By oddsox, January 20, 2011 at 3:30 pm Link to this comment

surfnow, we both hope your prediction doesn’t come to pass, of course. 
We might go back into a double-dip recession, but the Lame Duck extension of the Bush-now-Obama Tax Cuts probably staved that off.  Until the next Lame Duck waddles along.

Sources I read and trust predict a 2% - 4% growth curve for the next 2 years, leading right through 2012.

So far, Obama’s has a been a Presidency Distracted.
Unemployment will be the key figure to determine his re-election. 

Of course, he and his supporters hope Palin’s the GOP nominee - same as Reid’s people rejoiced at Sharron Angle’s nomination. 
It’s his only chance to win WITHOUT significant job growth.
(Yes, Angle very nearly beat Reid anyway—that’s the same chance Palin has.  But fear not, surfnow, the odds are with you.)

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By surfnow, January 20, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

surfnow, you sound upset.

Do you have a wager on Sarah Palin becoming President?
Are you really comparing Palin 2011 to Hitler 1932?

Upset?  I’m too old for that. I am not necessarily comparing Sarah Palin to Hitler- she just happens to be the frontrunner on the right with that mindset- the mindset that uses fear and nationalism to gain power. If it wasn’t Palin it would just be someone else. I am predicting a deeper economic depression, the fear and finger pointing that goes along with that and a rightwing revolution.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 20, 2011 at 12:39 pm Link to this comment

Vitriol seems to have a life of its own. It appears to be more than just self sustaining; it appears to be self progeniting. In spite of recent events, and a national call for civil discourse, vitriol continues to grow. Let’s face it, civil discourse just isn’t sexy. Eliminating vitriol is as difficult as ending war; neither side is willing to unilaterally cease hostilities, because unilaterally ceasing hostilities would amount to surrender in the eyes of some; each new hostility must be met with hostilities, and escalation is the order of the day. One might think that this most recent event would be enlightening regarding the dangers of vitriol, but the result has been more vitriolic attributions, accusations, and denials of guilt. The physical laws describe how actions are accompanied by reactions, and that chain reactions sometimes occur. 

Many believe that vitriol, like war, is dangerous, and despite the denials, vitriol has had well documented tangible results. These tangible results go far beyond attempts at character assassination, to the point where a number of actual assassinations have occurred. 6 Arizonans have been killed, and others have been wounded, traumatized, and enveloped by grief. A national spotlight has been turned on this event, and this spotlight has illuminated other atrocities as well, while other far greater atrocities remain in the darkness, some seek to illuminate these far greater atrocities, while others seek to keep them hidden in the dark. Seeking to illuminate these hidden atrocities is met by vitriolic charges of vitriol by some. The inference is that shining a light on these atrocities is equivalent to “Palling around with terrorists.” In far distant lands there is a flood of tears, the soil is further irrigated by blood, habitats have been destroyed, and the inhabitants are shrouded in darkness. The outrage is palpable in these foreign lands, and the tangible results of this outrage have gone far beyond mere vitriol.

Some say the metaphorical chain reaction has been the result of a single event. A single horrific act of terrorism started a of chain events, it’s the big bang theory. Others say that this horrific act of terrorism was a reaction to other bangs, some bigger, and some smaller. Quantifying the previous bangs is seen as being irrelevant and hateful vitriol to some, and they respond with vitriol. You’re a hater, a purveyor of bigotry, they say. You must hate and fear what we hate and fear, otherwise you’re a hater, or a stupid and misguided traitor, you’re fools living in a dream world, our survival depends on our living in reality they say, as they close their eyes to reality and lead us towards further murder, mayhem, and a future that holds little promise.

There is no empire they say, quite the contrary they say. We are a super power because we’re super, the new century must be ours otherwise chaos and calamity will occur they say, while they ignore the chaos and calamity they have caused.

Make no mistake, offer no false analysis, or vitriolic accusations of duplicitous behavior or rationale. There is no significant dichotomy between our primary political factions regarding foreign policy. Nationalism is the overwhelming philosophy that governs our foreign policy. Nearly all of the opposition to nationalism comes from one small end of the political spectrum. Asserting that nationalism is predominate from one side of the political spectrum is a contention that is validated by virtually all rational historians and academics. Asserting this undeniable reality is denied by obfuscators and revisionists, our nationalism is not nationalism at all they say. What is perceived as nationalism is in actuality, philanthropy, they say.

Opposing factions meet in war. Those wars are instigated and driven by right-wing philosophies from within both factions.

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By oddsox, January 20, 2011 at 12:09 pm Link to this comment

surfnow, you sound upset.

Do you have a wager on Sarah Palin becoming President?

Are you really comparing Palin 2011 to Hitler 1932?
If so, you should know that, although democratically elected, Adolf’s first choice of means was the violent overthrow of government.
Google Munich Putsch or Beer Hall Putsch, 1922. 

BTW, is some kind of concierge marketing service. I keep up w/George F. Will via the Washington Post.

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By reynolds, January 20, 2011 at 12:07 pm Link to this comment

gfys; you and the magyar think alike, and express
yourselves in a fashion equally, uh, besotted. if
you’re not from buda, you’re certainly a pest.
well for szabo in his schadenfreude. he begs return
of the favor, but one need not bother wishing ill of
hungarian politics.
were i able to sort out exactly what your opinions
are, i doubt i would find them more offensive than
the manner in which you express them. it is your
shape shifting for which i dismiss you as a blech
poster, or imposter as it were. (yes, suave. i note
the squiggly red line. it’s a jerk, you joke).
i’m glad you’re glad about your perceived edge in
the corrupt business of redistricting. i wouldn’t
care to benefit from a crooked system. i’m old
fashioned. in any event, as the happy hungarian
imagines, this society is circling the drain.
i’m waiting for you to break into product placement.
make your ubiquity pay. you could move car loads of
nausea palliative.

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By drbhelthi, January 20, 2011 at 12:05 pm Link to this comment

“Yeah, and if you were in Germany in ‘32 you would have been one of those ostriches with his head in the sand, saying, nothing to worry about, Hitler will never win.”

Various history books report that the NAZIs were “defeated,” which is technically correct. However, the conversion of the Office of Strategic Services (OSS) into the CIA, after President Truman had officially dismembered the OSS, is not explained, nor who was assigned to do the transformation, nor who became the secretive Director of the CIA.

Nor is much reported about the 1st iteration of “Operation Paper Clip,” which secreted the first 200 NAZI scientists into the US, after the CIA had construed falsified family histories and US passports for them. Among which initial 200 NAZIs was Werner von Braun, who deserved punishment for the deaths of 2,000 Polish prisoners enslaved in his rocket works in Peenemuende. 

Nor is much revealed (openly) about the secretive director of the CIA, George Herbert Walker Bush Sr., who denied it until letters between him and J. Edgar Hoover were revealed by insiders, twenty years after the murder of John F. Kennedy, Sr.

Congressman Dr. Ron Paul published a brief 50-yr history of the world-wide destruction by the CIA done under the “secrecy” of GHWBSr.  More recently, Colonel John Stockwell has revealed in videos the dishonesty and destruction around the world by the CIA.  Prior to his assassination, Mr. Chip Tatum published chronicles explaining how he assassinated for GHWBSr.  He also documented numerous drug runs into the US from various locations.

It is little wonder that pawns of the NAZI-types distract from the post WWII history of the US, the overtaking of the U.S. by WWII NAZI satanists.  Sarah Palin is the major scapegoat, a female who does not play ball with the NWO Super-Richies.  Of course, they want to discredit a woman whom they do not and cannot control. 

Other distractions are provided by hits such as on Circuit Judge Roll and Congresswoman Giffords in Tucson last week. The NAZI element of the CIA is gifted in recruiting and boggling the minds of such misguided persons as the Glock-skilled trigger-puller.  Only an practiced expert can make so many fatal hits, so fast, with a pistol. Of course, setting him up for an insanity plea is intended to preclude the death sentence.  Any which death sentence should include all who assisted him.  One is reminded of the 50ish man in an expensive suit who forced the Moslem youth- without a passport- onto the North West Airliner, Christmas day, 2009, at the Amsterdam International Airport.  Which 50ish man in an expensive suit “disappeared”? 

Who will be appointed to “replace” Judge Roll?  Supporters of U.S. constitutional law, with the skills and objectivity of John Roll are not found on every street corner.  And some in the USGov do not want them in federal courts, while others do not want them to remain alive.

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By oddsox, January 20, 2011 at 11:56 am Link to this comment

george szabo, “Now if only I could be made King of the world…”

ok, George.  For one year.  Then it’s my turn, agreed?

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By george szabo, January 20, 2011 at 10:56 am Link to this comment

Hey, Americans !!!!
Wake up a bit, you are no longer the center of the universe !!!! Maybe some do not
actually give a damn how you guys want to sort out your troubled politics, economics,
social issues, if you want to go and kill each other or really screw
each other economically, and totally ruin what’s left of your beautiful country,
go right ahead. Just please stay out of everyone elses business.Oh ! how silly
of me, you guys have made it a point to historically involve your corrupt
policies and environmental disasters in just about every corner of the world under the
guise of democracy and freedom.. Yeah ,, Right !!!  Hopefully the intelligent,
caring and unselfish few that may be left in you country can help make things
better for you…  Of course, this tirade can be applied to just about every
so called ” civilized ” nation out there.. We really need a big change in this this
world… Now if only I could be made King of the world I will show you how
it’s done…...

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By oddsox, January 19 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment

surfnow, no, Sarah Palin will never be president. She has as much chance in 2012 as the Cubs winning the World Series (early condolences to George Will).

Yeah, and if you were in germany in ‘32 you would have been one of those ostriches with his head in the sand, saying, nothing to worry about, Hitler will never win. Stick to George Will’s website, you sound just as pompous

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By Dakotahgeo, January 20, 2011 at 1:55 am Link to this comment
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Failin’ Wailin’ Palin quiet???  HAH!!!  Only if one sews her butt shut! It will never happen. An albatross around the Repub/Tea Party neck!

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By Nola, January 20, 2011 at 12:35 am Link to this comment
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Glad to hear you speak your mind! Yeah! At least that has been clarified. 
Since you brought this up goes:
We have metal detectors in schools not because people ‘speak their minds’ but because of the lousy parents that leave their children home alone all day while they chase the so called American dream. In addition to that there are those lousy fathers who disappear and leave the wife and kids in poverty etc. etc. Lost families equal lost kids. Oh, and don’t paddle junior when he spits on his teacher. Give him time out it works SO WELL!!! Yikes.
When our government asked God to get out of the schools in the 60’s, well He did just that..there is no praying going on now..and so we reap the results. Don’t cry about the consequences, unless you agree it was a bad move to request ‘no prayer’. All those people in favor of removing God from schools need to look at their own faces in fear of their own fate and blame themselves for every bad event within the walls of every school in this country. Ironically,  there are now financially broken schools waiting for churches to rent space in their gym on the week-end to pay their bills. Amazing how people depend on God even when they refuse to admit it. So glad He has grace on everyone… even those who hate Him. Nice try to blame those who speak out instead of societies lost and blind parents/leaders. Talk with some teens and ask what is bugging them these days… you really think they will say OH MAN, everyone is speaking THEIR MINDS AND I CAN’T TAKE ANY MORE! Or will they reply OH GOSH my parents take me to church and I just want to hurt someone because of it. No, you will hear, my dad or mom drinks too much, I’m verbally or physically abused, I’m emotionally neglected, we are poor and have nothing because my dad buys cigarettes, beer and lotto tickets instead of food, my parents are never home because all they think about is ‘their’ careers, etc. etc. Mental health starts with a healthy family. Violence is not ‘speaking out’. In fact those who verbally express their thoughts openly are more likely to be healthy, happy, and live longer. smile

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By RayLan, January 20, 2011 at 12:34 am Link to this comment

“you are not exactly besot with me “
LOL oh that’s good ROFLMAO

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By Go Right Young Man, January 20, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment


I have long understood that you are not exactly besot with me or any opinions I may hold.  In return I am quite comfortable in the knowledge that you and most others here represent the minuscule minority in the united States.

The so-called Tea movement, on the other hand, has recently effected the dynamics of the entire U.S. House and the Senate.  These protests had an effect in a net gain of over a thousand turnovers to Tea party and Republican candidates all over the nation’s state legislatures.

With the redistricting laws making it next to impossible for any progressive movements to take hold of the House of Representatives for the next 20 years, I can empathize with how uncomfortable you are at this time.

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By zonadude, January 20, 2011 at 12:11 am Link to this comment

Eugene. I LOVE you and your work, apparent political leaning, and your cheerful countenance when we are so blessed to see you on TV. So please, dude, don’t waste time, electricity,(on your computer) and ink on this non-player, no nothing, violent wench. A Pulitzer Prize
achiever and gentle person you seem to be should as we kinda say, have bigger “salmon to fry”.

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By oddsox, January 19, 2011 at 11:59 pm Link to this comment

Quiz time, Fellow Readers: how many of these names do you recognize?
John Thune, Jon Huntsman, Gary Johnson, Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Mitch Daniels, Marco Rubio.

One of these could become the 2012 Republican Presidential or VP Nominee.  But they, along with the more familiar names: Pawlenty, Jeb Bush, Huckabee, Newt, Barbour, Romney are all laying low right now, well hidden from media scrutiny.

Sarah Palin is the tall grass that provides cover for other Repubs, any of whom will appear to (and in fact BE) a more qualified, credible and electable choice two Novembers from now.

Queenie’s right—Palin sells.  Papers, TV-time, radio, you name it.  The nation is a-twitter and neither Left nor Right can get enough.

For the Right, she’s money from rallies and fundraisers.  She keeps the Tea Party element pumped and in attack mode.
And for the Left, Palin is the “what’s-she-saying-now” figure you love to hate (just read a handful of the posts below!) 

But I doubt Sarah P. even wants to be President anymore.  In any case, she won’t be elected.

...but there is one political figure, who very much DOES want to be President, who Palin is helping even more than her Republican colleagues. 

Can you guess who?
Here’s a hint: 
Sarah Palin went from “Zero” to “Most Polarizing Figure in American Politics” in just a few months starting in August 2008.  Who did she replace?
Not Pelosi, not Reid, not Obama, but .... ??

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By RayLan, January 19, 2011 at 11:33 pm Link to this comment

“you are ridiculous.”
That’s the precise adjective that should qualify the noun ‘troll’.

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By RayLan, January 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm Link to this comment

” No one should be quiet when they are attacked by the media or anyone else. Palin’s not a whimp like Obama and speaks her mind. “
You would get the same attitude from a teen ‘gansta’. We need to put metal detectors in schools because of the low to no impulse control. Not going ballistic because somebody has attacked you, is not wimpy - it’s called character and maturity- especially when there are much more important matters at hand - like an assination attempt - something the Queen of Ditz showed almost no sympathy for.

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By milliegor, January 19, 2011 at 10:01 pm Link to this comment
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I wonder which university allowed Palin a degree with the lack of knowledge she repeatedly demonstrates? Hope no one I know and love attends there because they will be receiving a substandard education (easy enough to receive in this country after all the cuts to education).

Unhappily her followers make me think that they have attended the same schools. An informed and or/educated person would have more sense and be better spoken.

Excellent article. I appreciated it.

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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 9:01 pm Link to this comment

you are ridiculous.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 19, 2011 at 8:38 pm Link to this comment

The bottom up Tea Party crowd has changed domestic politics and challenged the landscape of the political establishment in Washington and State Houses across America.  Sarah Palin and others have been able to capitalize on these moderate, independent and conservative voters.

The Tea protests have been a real challenge for both republicans and democrats.  It’s the type of political influence and muscle progressives can only dream of today.  Sarah Palin, however, is not the front-runner for any office in the United States.  At least not in any polling data we’ve seen to date.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 19, 2011 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

reynolds, - “jdmythic”


LOL…. Until his recent mention on another thread I had all but forgotten about that interesting individual.  If memory serves I haven’t seen his venom since last winter. - I have little patience for such overt petulance. 

For months Mr. Mythic went on and on about the phantom Neo-Cons in the White House.  He evidenced these dark phantoms by pointing to the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, renditions, indefinite detentions, terrorist surveillance, enhanced interrogations and Predator drone attacks.  Now that a liberal leaning democrat is in the Oval, is he still going on about Neo-Con goblins taking over the globe?

Good luck with that one.

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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 6:55 pm Link to this comment

...or a miasmal trench. you just proved my assertions
about you; you don’t engage to build a bridge, but to
cross and recross it mindlessly.
jdmythic might bite, but i’m sticking with fraud.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 19, 2011 at 6:46 pm Link to this comment


We should periodically remind ourselves and others that bigotry, the habit of demonizing opponents, vitriol and violence exist everywhere.  From all colors, flavors, ages and political ideologies.  It’s myopic, to the extreme, to believe otherwise.

Palin is to the Left what Pelosi is to the Right. Bush to Obama - Kaczynski to McVeigh.

One chooses to either be part of the problem or part of the solution.

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By Inherit The Wind, January 19, 2011 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment

I’m not surprised Nola is cheering “All About ME” Sarah!

Nola doesn’t care that Palin’s irrational, inconsistent, inarticulate, inaccurate, and incoherent.  She’s givin’ it to them damn lib’ruls and that’s all that matters.

The damage that’s been done by Sarah’s heroes, and the damage that will continue to be done don’t seem to register on Sarah or Nola.

What foolishness.

OTOH, it’s clear that Newt is using this as a chance to get some SERIOUS digs in on Palin. She’s clearly THE front-runner for 2012 and Newt, Mitt and Huck are all trying to get enough traction to sink her.

So Newt’s walking a thin line between courting those that adore Sarah (and I don’t mean the guys who only see her as a MILF), and undermining her at every chance.
“Get Niedermeyer to help.  He’s a sneaky little shit, just like you.”

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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 5:11 pm Link to this comment

...and you’re not the only one. me eye just fell upon
my name in an unintelligible screed which author’s
identifer resembles the rainbow warrior’s. i only just
caught it because i never try wade through the author’s
interminable screed.
my “myopic rejection of history” in this thread is a
repudiation of someone with whom you are now slotted.
you’re overwrought, unhinged. i will focus on not
focusing on your diatribe.

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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 5:02 pm Link to this comment

nolo; you rave. she, that harridan, is the media. she
is a “pundent”, as she pronounces it. attack talk is
her thing; pit bull, gun sights, reload, etc.
the article is about her whining about being
mistreated, her complaints of ill treatment.
if she is averse to being shot with her own shite, she
might cease providing ammunition. she’s free to go
away, to hole up in her cottage with ‘family, faith,
flag’ and faux pas.
you rave.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 19, 2011 at 4:58 pm Link to this comment

Reynolds asks, “There are large minded bigots?”

Yes there are. The vast majority of human beings find such things as serial killing and child molestation intolerable and worthy of hatred. They are larger minded bigots by definition.

It appears to me that Nola and reynolds have agendas of their own. Let me suggest that others ignore the rest of this post, it is personal, and can only be considered trite and of little significance to those uninvolved.

Nola and reynolds:

If you wish to continue your myopic rejection of the events of history, that’s your business, but when your ignorance manifests itself with hateful wildly speculative accusations directed at me, that’s my business. Your attempt to destroy my credibility and character is not unaccustomed to me. After many years of adamant or condescending rejection of my prescient perspective, many now realize that my prognostications were in fact prescient and undeniable today. If the previous sentence seems arrogant to anyone, I’m unaffected. There is no stronger confidence builder than being correct.

Let me suggest that if there is disagreement with what I have offered, focus on rebutting what I have offered, rather than an attack on me personally would be in order. I’m certainly not immune from a heavy handed criticism of absurdity, but some choose to focus on being heavy handed, rather than on specific perceptions of absurdity.

I hate being defensive, but you force me to be defensive by an exhibition of the character flaws that I am accused of having, and a futile attempt to intimidate me, in the hope that I will temper or abandon the right you claim to be sacrosanct.

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By Frank Nelson, January 19, 2011 at 4:44 pm Link to this comment
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Yeah, yeah. Where does she get off defendng her-own-self..
Hey, Best,

To all of you ‘far eastern’ intellectuals, (England) what you I quote below has been tried.  Ever hear of Ralph Nader, Ross Perot, Anderson, ...?

Its his Best’s quote:

“The power elite will not give a whit if 85% or 95
% or 99.9% boycott.  However, if 10% organize a convention, that would be quite a serious development.  Even having 10% or more supporting a single third party would get serious attention.”

My reaction:

You gotta be kidding.

Any revolution that’s real, not the color type as in the New European states, but the ones for real, have to be organic and as Juan Coles pointed out on DemocracyNow!, of many facets. 

A lot of groups have to be gored by the government. The crimes of over-doing it by the Government has to affect many of us. Wars, wars and rumors of endless wars.

I feel we have reached that point, where many workers can no longer carry the weight and the childishness and the burden of the wealthy that they have, heretfore, carried by guilt of birth.

I walk through Harvard Yard and Havard Square to take a peep at the peeps, the I sense that the intellemelectuals have no clue other than the rabid nonsense that is a variation of the Nightly News.

Your ‘strategery’ is mind boggling.  In real time, things don’t happen thataway.

Americans seem to me to be more docile, much more divergent, much more infected by the self-defeating beliefs of the media.

One of my neighbors across the street was all for Bush. He was retired and got his info from the Discovery Channel. 

My next door neighbor was retired and he stopped me on the street before the 2004 election, and in his broken, Portuguese English, he said, “Bush is no good.”

Bush got to be the President.

In light of the Assassination attempt of Giffords and its beginnings in 1963 in Dallas, a coup, the Yalie right-wing pods, the shadow government, might have taken over already.

But they have miles to go before they sleep. Miles to go before they can sleep.

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By diamond, January 19, 2011 at 4:33 pm Link to this comment

“Oh, and get off the prescription drugs PLEASE! Half of the comments on this page reflect possible drug users straight from the ‘legal’ pharmacy.”

Well, of course, Nola. Anyone who disagrees with your ridiculous and deluded idolatry of the dolt, Palin, must be on prescription drugs. It goes without saying.

And Go Right Young Man, she’s not the ‘lower classes’ she’s the bottom of the barrel. It’s not the same.

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By garth, January 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm Link to this comment

I was once at a copy machine in a Government facility.  An African woman was waithng behind me to start her job.

The copier went beserk, and, jokingly, I turned around and said, “See, it’s all you fault.”

She took it to heart.

I felt guilty and embarrassed.

But when Sarah, of whom I have no admiration.  In fact, I hate her shrill voice. 

It protects her-own-self (a hyphenation, BTW, that came from Janet McCarthy of Cambridge, MA, not from TAOWalker.  I stole it, first.) from these paid-for attacks. 

All I can see is media manipulation of the American opinion.

MSNBC Ed and Keith versus Rush, Sean ,and Bill.  What a thrill!

It’s all media talk.  It builds up ratings.  Keeps you on your asses and off the streets.  Yeah! Yeah!

Don’t be fooled again.

If you were attacked and you had $millions at stake, wouldn’t you offer some reprisal?  That’s all Sarah did. 

Let it run its course, and Sarah will disappear, a millionairess. Not bad for a half-brain who took so long and so many colleges to get her Bachelor’s degree. She’l say anything put in front of her.

Many wish they had such luck.

In in the end, enough is enough.

In closing:  Keep your hand on the throttle and your eye upon the scale.

This is all media nonsense.

The revolution is coming.

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By Paul J. Theis, January 19, 2011 at 2:11 pm Link to this comment

Ever since she claimed that Barack Obama “palled around with terrorists,” Sarah Palin has demonstrated that she lacks the mature judgment needed to serve in national office. And of course, writing notes on your hand is no way to signal that you are ready for the highest office in the land.

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By RayLan, January 19, 2011 at 1:31 pm Link to this comment

The idiocy of Birthers is the idiocy of the desperately wrong.

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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 12:46 pm Link to this comment

“I believe it’s legitimate to ask ourselves why
small-minded bigots feel the need to divide people
into easy to understand groupings.  Why is there the
need to spread fear and disdain toward those unlike

there are large minded bigots?

nothing about you is legitimate except the threat of
boredom. your confused, inflammatory, redundant and,
as often, contradictory verbiage is a pathetic ploy.
you’re an exhibitionist. your circular harangue is a
you’re a fraud.

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By Nola, January 19, 2011 at 12:41 pm Link to this comment
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WHAT? No one should be quiet when they are attacked by the media or anyone else. Palin’s not a whimp like Obama and speaks her mind. Last time I checked ..hmmm..this was a free country. And as for being politically correct as we speak- that is a joke too!  No one will tell me what I can say and I don’t expect to keep the lid on others either! Everyone is getting their ‘feeling’s hurt’. Who cares. Politics is not about feelings it is about reality and should be run like a business not a day care center. Feelings are for mommies and babies and those cry babies in the background after they have had abortions. Your opinion reflects that it was based on absurd, non-logical, non-factual and irrelevant information and is nothing more than ‘your opinion’ to anyone seeking depth in truth. You’re obviously a Christian and/or Republican hater, and like many others like yourself, floundering around trying to figure out what your going to do when the next election is taken over by believers. You will say or do anything to try and salvage your dark place in society. It’s your instinct to remain in the cave. Good luck - we have God on our side! Thank God the battle belongs to Him and not to you. :O Speak on Palin and blast the ‘hell’ out of the media. The media in this country is a stinking joke (all they care about are ratings and they cannot even report things correctly) They are the ones that need to shut up until they get the facts straight! The very people trying to connect Palin and her followers to the recent shooting in Arizona are the ones that reported the congresswoman dead when she was alive! Come on people who can take them seriously. They are as much of a joke as the FDA. Learn how to filter this crap out for yourself. Stop listening to people who cannot see truth. Oh, and get off the prescription drugs PLEASE! Half of the comments on this page reflect possible drug users straight from the ‘legal’ pharmacy.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 19, 2011 at 11:54 am Link to this comment

I believe that “Birthers” are idiotic and delusional. I believe that George W. Bush and his coterie, selectively and deliberately put forth questionable intelligence, in order to achieve the objective of invading Iraq, which caused the deaths of uncounted tens of thousands, and misery for millions, and that the actions of his administration were horrifically counter productive, and I believe that believing so is perfectly rational.

I believe that George W. Bush’s handlers and security over-reacted to the perceived threat against George W. and Laura at the Inauguration. George W. later quite effectively dodged two shoes thrown from close range; clearly a thrown egg and a thrown tennis ball did not constitute an existential threat to George or his wife.

GRYMie continues to attempt to twist reality to serve his ends. Is he truly irrational, or simply a hack propagandist?

I believe that right-wing philosophy has been responsible for violence throughout the ages, and that that violence has been intolerable and hateful. As I’ve said before, if that makes me a bigot in the eyes of some, then so be it.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 19, 2011 at 10:58 am Link to this comment


Your pointing out that one of Loughner’s victims publicly threatened a Tea Partier during an altercation following ABC’s televised program, is a perfect example of false equivalency. Obviously Eric Lee Fuller is in need of therapy following Loughner’s shooting, and the proper authorities recognized this. Eric Lee Fuller’s threat was unfortunate and reprehensible, but he did not kill anyone.

The “Hate site” as you define it, is full of hateful acts.

Are you comparing Julian Assange to the violent, or violence prone? Is this glaringly blatant false equivalency, or do I not understand your purpose for providing the quotation?

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By oddsox, January 19, 2011 at 10:33 am Link to this comment

surfnow, no, Sarah Palin will never be president. She has as much chance in 2012 as the Cubs winning the World Series (early condolences to George Will).

gstoddard, “Palin…is being unfairly demonized by the radical left.” 
True from the beginning, only now she likes it and feeds upon it.

RayLan wrote: “let (Palin) burn out her dim light and ignore her.”
Ching-Ching wrote: “she would quickly disappear into the sunset if you and others in the media, would simply stop writing about her and stop giving her a voice.”
That’s what SHOULD have happened, and WOULD have if the Mainstream Media hadn’t propped her up after the 2008 election.  Too late for that now.  For good or ill, Palin’s with us thru 2012.

Queenie wrote: “Bottom line, Sarah Palin sells newspapers and teevee time.”
By God, that’s it!  Could it all be as simple as that?

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By Go Right Young Man, January 19, 2011 at 10:18 am Link to this comment

I believe it’s legitimate to ask ourselves why small-minded bigots feel the need to divide people into easy to understand groupings.  Why is there the need to spread fear and disdain toward those unlike themselves?

Bigots exists everywhere.  All colors, flavors, ages and political ideologies.

Please don’t allow a few demented individuals to get away with suggesting that vitriol and/or violence stems from only one side of the political isle.  Only small-minded individuals -bigots, if you will- believe in such nonsense.


Some small-minded bigots would have us believe that the “Birther” movement is evidence of clear Right-Wing mental/emotional instability.  As if this instability resides inherently in the so-called conservative mind. - Polls show 20% of Americans (Birthers) questioned President Obama’s citizenship.

Is it fair to suggest that Left-Wing beliefs are even more inherently unstable in light of the fact that nearly 35% of so-called Liberals believe that President Bush knew about and/or designed the attacks on Sept. 11? - I think not.


George Bush is the only President-Elect in American history unable to make the customary walk to the Capital as demonstrators (democrats) were throwing things at him and Laura Bush.  Are we to believe that liberals and/or democrats are inherently intolerant, petulant, children?  Conversely, if President Bush had been black would there be any doubt that democrats are prone to being racist?

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By oddsox, January 19, 2011 at 10:08 am Link to this comment

Allan Krueger, where did you find Edward R. Murrow’s baby pictures?

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By Go Right Young Man, January 19, 2011 at 9:33 am Link to this comment

esi42, - “I find this laughable since I am lower class!”


What, precisely, makes you a “lower” class individual?  Is it possible for an Hispanic female making $28,000 annually to be a bigot and racist?  Is it possible for that same individual to be a high class human being?

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By esi42, January 19, 2011 at 9:10 am Link to this comment


Is it possible for you, RayLan, esi42, Eugene Robinson and Irwin Thompson to be even more snobbish, bigoted and condescending toward, what you all believe to be, the “lower classes”?

I find this laughable since I am lower class!  Thanks for coming around and raising hell around here all the time.  Makes for some interesting threads!

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By BarbieQue, January 19, 2011 at 8:45 am Link to this comment


Have you had time to add “James Eric Fuller” to your little hate site yet?

If not, when do you think you’ll get around to it?


“ in their prime, if they have convictions are tasked to act on them.”
Julian Assange 2007

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By drbhelthi, January 19, 2011 at 6:28 am Link to this comment

“Naivete´ profound” is to disregard the destruction brought about by the GHWBushSr entourage.  His destructive years, 1956-1981 as the secretive CIA director, the Black Budget that not even the USCongress has access to, the 2000 & 2004 USPres elections, the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc.

Who is Sarah Palin?  A much over-used scapegoat, a female who has gained more “power” than the NWO super-rich >males< want her to have.

Thanks to folk like Mae Brussell, Sherman Skolnick, Chip Tatum, Ted Gunderson, John Stockwell, Sibel Edmonds for blowing the whistle, sharing truth and revealing political putrification from the USPresidency down the ladder.

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By JDmysticDJ, January 19, 2011 at 6:17 am Link to this comment

Lets see…? GRYMie says,

“Mr. Robinson spends the entire last 20 months drumming up hatred and fear toward the Tea Party, culminating in his call to have Ms. Palin stop publicly sharing her opinions, and Robinson is now calling for open civil discourse in America?”

GRYMie has spent the last 20 months denying that there is any semblance of violence, or racism, coming from the Right and from within the Tea Party, and by pointing out false equivalencies, while constantly calling Robinson a bigot.

20 months ago I warned that the Tea Party was a vanguard movement of a neo-fascism. Equating The Tea Party with past fascist movements would be demagoguery, pointing out the similarities between the Tea Party and past fascist movements is not.

The “Insurrection Timeline” available on the web, (Anti-Gun site) documents the incidences of right-wing murders, death threats, right-wing militia movements, and incendiary language coming from Tea Party candidates etc. The list of actual violent acts is enlighteningly long, and totally refutes those who claim that elements of the Right have not perpetrated violence, or that elements of the Right are not violence prone.

GRYMie says that Fox News and right-wing talkers such as Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly and Savage (Denied entry to Great Brittan because of hate speech) have not been an influence on the violence prone, despite the body of evidence to the contrary.

The I-580 shooter who denies that Beck influenced him towards violence, called Beck a teacher, and advises people to view Beck’s accusations against the “Tides Foundation” if they want to know the truth. Apparently Byron Williams (I-580 shooter) believes there was a conspiracy between George Soros, Barack Obama, “The Tides Foundation” and BP regarding the Gulf oil spill, and he advises people to view Beck’s 29 separate “Teachings” that occurred in June 2010 to ascertain the truth regarding this conspiracy.

Yesterday, 1/17/11, left-wing radio talker Thom Hartman read death threats and anti-Semitic slurs, (Thom Hartman is not Jewish) that he received in e-mails after his name appeared on Beck’s website.

GRYMie constantly and tautologically points out false equivalencies, but it should be pointed out that there have not been any actual significant acts of violence perpetrated by left-wingers, unless one equates union disturbances, acts committed in self defense, or the threatening behavior of neo-Black Panthers, with actual murders and armed assaults.

GRYMie is a right-wing hack who denies reality, because reality is inconvenient.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 19, 2011 at 3:34 am Link to this comment

Dear friends, I was thinking that the only solution for USA is The Superman. I am not joking, i don’t mean the superman of the movies, even though the superman of the movies is related to Nietzsche’s Superman.

I mean the theory of the Superman of the German Philosopher Fredrich Nietzsche. And it’s true, the USA requires superior individuals not regular individuals to save the country. Over-men, above the crowds, with superior qualities.  I really do not see another solution, traditional Socialist Party rising to power would either be overthrown or its leader killed like JFK or Manuel Zelaya who was overthrown in Honduras.  So USA requires an aristocratic revolutionary caste of superior aristocratic knights

So i have a homework for you all: Buy these books: Thus Spoke Zarathustra by Fredrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power by Fredrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist by Fredrich Nietzsche, The Will to Power by Fredrich Nietzsche and the biography of Che Guevara. And watch the movies: Braveheart, King Arthur, both Robin Hood movies (With Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe), and the 3 movies of Lord of The Rings.

I wrote an aristocratic code of honor to save USA:

The American Patriotic Honor should be based in that all US citizens who have committed themselves to defend the American Nation from the capitalists and Israel, should have these required traits: courage, bravery, and the physical muscular strength and that he is really devoted to defend the United States of America from the jewish-capitalists with his life, and never surrender the American Flag and the goal of socialism to which he swore.



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By reynolds, January 19, 2011 at 2:33 am Link to this comment

“I’m for working hard myself in order to create jobs
for others.  I’m for purchasing a new boat, car and a
second home in the near future so that I may aid the
economy and save the jobs of over 700 Mothers and
Fathers.  I’m for giving at least 15% of my income,
anonymously, directly to families with children…”
and blah, blah, blah.
you might as demonstrably claim to leap tall buildings
in a single bound. you’re a fraud.

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By Allan Krueger, January 18, 2011 at 8:51 pm Link to this comment

I cast my vote for Sarah Palin to shut the fuck up!

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By RayLan, January 18, 2011 at 8:41 pm Link to this comment

“I’m for working hard myself in order to create jobs for others.”
Spoken as a true Right wing elitist seeing social programs as welfare for the lazy and unworthy, being just an excuse for selfish refusal to support the privilege of living in a community.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 18, 2011 at 8:31 pm Link to this comment

RayLan, - “I’m all for the social services that assist the lower classes. I’m not a self-centered Right wing elitist.”


I’m for working hard myself in order to create jobs for others.  I’m for purchasing a new boat, car and a second home in the near future so that I may aid the economy and save the jobs of over 700 Mothers and Fathers.  I’m for giving at least 15% of my income, anonymously, directly to families with children.  I’m for remembering that I was once in the same position and, but for the grace of God, may find myself there once again.  Most importantly, however, I’m for never thinking on those less fortunate than myself, or those who happen to support a different political, socio-economic philosophy, as lower class.

I too am not a self-centered Right-Wing elitist.


Yes.  Your disdain for, what you perceive to be, the lower classes is evidenced in every other word you write.  I don’t need to prove it.  My hope is that you too see it.

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By RayLan, January 18, 2011 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

“Your disdain for the lower classes is evidenced in every other word (you) write.”
Evident? Prove it. I’m all for the social services that assist the lower classes. I’m not a self-centered Right wing elitist.

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By diamond, January 18, 2011 at 7:23 pm Link to this comment

“anyone who attempts to blame Palin for anything is a
shill of some sort.  Palin is responsible for none of
the horrific measures that have ruined the U.S.A.”

Oh, drbhelthi, so certain of everything and still so gullible. Palin is part of the exact same pack that ‘ruined the U.S.A.’ and is George W. Bush in a skirt. Can’t you just picture her in the oval office ordering the bombing of Iran,  banning contraceptives and drilling for oil here, there and everywhere. Oh lordy, Miss Maudy, I can.

But I disagree with Eugene: I want Sarah the village idiot to speak in every forum across the land. I want her asked lots and lots of difficult questions that may cause her to rumple her brow and search for insight and knowledge she just doesn’t have, any more than Georgie Porgy had it. I want her screaming ‘blood libel’ on every TV channel in America and using her wild west metaphors at every opportunity. I want her, in short, to reveal exactly who she is and why she should never be president of the United States or have any kind of power over others, whatsoever.

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By drbhelthi, January 18, 2011 at 4:21 pm Link to this comment

After the damage done by the various reigns of the
GHWBushSr entourage, and its stars such as Rumsfeld &
Cheney, the Iraq debacle which was developed into
genocide in the Middle East, the Patriot Act, Homeland
Security, and the general “dumbing down” of Americans,
anyone who attempts to blame Palin for anything is a
shill of some sort.  Palin is responsible for none of
the horrific measures that have ruined the U.S.A. 

Divide and conquer, hallmark of the CIA.

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By Queenie, January 18, 2011 at 4:11 pm Link to this comment


When it comes down to the bottom line, civil discourse be damned! It is hate and discontent, blood and gore, and smear tactics (from either right or left) that make for profit.

The MSM, having duped and doped the reading public for so long, is drooling over any incivility it can print.

Bottom line, Sarah Palin sells newspapers and teevee time. It doesn’t matter what she says or does not say, as long as they can drag her out, and as long as she is willing to be used, there isn’t a chance in hell that that poor pitiful ignorant raving lunatic is going anywhere soon.

John McCain should get down on his knees and thank the lord that he was not elected President. He would have been dead within months.

And her finger would have been on that red hot whoops button in short order. It’s what she believes in. And all because the second coming of you know who. She is a Dominionist. Chris Hedges has written a book about this.

Crackers? For sure. But these crackers sell.

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By Miko, January 18, 2011 at 3:27 pm Link to this comment
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It’s great that Eugene Robinson was able to put aside
incivility and instead focus on writing an entire
article framed as a personal attack against Sarah
Palin.  How civil of him.

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By reynolds, January 18, 2011 at 2:49 pm Link to this comment

w o t s; trenchantly put.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 18, 2011 at 2:41 pm Link to this comment


Tunisian Wikileaks Putsch: CIA Touts Mediterranean Tsunami of Coups

Part 1:

Part 2:

Part 3:


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By WriterOnTheStorm, January 18, 2011 at 2:26 pm Link to this comment

Palin is not a politician. She’s a media figure. Her power (and money) are derived
from her ability to successfully execute her strategy of pissing off the liberal
community. And that success is measured by articles like this one. The louder you
scream, the more wealthy and empowered she becomes.

Ignore her calculated rants, her practiced smarm, and focus-grouped sound bites.
Trivialize her with your silence.

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By Go Right Young Man, January 18, 2011 at 2:23 pm Link to this comment


When Kenneth Gladney was severely beaten last August by SEIU thugs and called a Nigger, was that an attack from the Right side of politics toward the left?  When a young female republican and her boyfriend left a republican fundraiser in New Orleans and severely beaten and hospitalized, was that an attack from the Tea Party?  Or the man, I forget his name, that had the end of his finger bitten off for attending a Tea rally, was that an attack of violence drummed up by Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck?

Young Loughner is, reportedly, a 9/11 Truther who believes in an global Oligarchy.  I doubt he was driven by the conservative Fox News Network.

I see the violence. I see it in many more ways than what we witness on YouTube.

It’s wrong, always wrong, to suggest that vitriol or violence can be found more on one side of the political isle than the other.  Humans are human wherever we find them.


“I hate Republicans, and everything they stand for.” 

“I hate President George W. Bush. There, I said it.”

“George Bush hates black people”

“Save America, Kill Republicans”

“Smoke Out The Taliban But Kill Republicans”

“The world will endure four more years of idiocy. - John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinckley Jr. — where are you now that we need you?”

It’s hard to locate more hate, vitriol, calls to violence and assignation than the above.

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By ChaviztaKing, January 18, 2011 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Eugene, i think that the egocentrical problem of USA is not just The Tea Party, and The Republican Party, but the correct behaviour of America is egocentrism, sprinkled with unfriendliness.  In many cities and states of the USA being egocentrical, anti-people, anti-social, unfriendly toward others is the politically, morally correct behaviour of the sheeple.  people behave like heart-less robots, like programed-robots, like apathetic zombies, and they think that by being an angry-fuck, hating and bashing every thing in site like the movie Mad Max with Mel Gibson, that some day they will be great persons like Bill Gates and Napoleon Bonaparte.

It is real sad the way people in America behave, because this excess of egocentrism is an impediment for americans to unite into a United Popular Front as an electoral option to the 2 corrupt corporate political parties of the system


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By gerard, January 18, 2011 at 1:54 pm Link to this comment

Who is Go Right Young Man, really?

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