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Palestine Vote Showcases the Decline of American Power

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Posted on Sep 27, 2011
AP / Seth Wenig

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas listens as President Barack Obama speaks at the U.N. on Sept. 21.

By Juan Cole

The United States, castigated by its critics as recently as a decade ago as a “hyper-power,” is now so weak and isolated on the world stage that it may cast an embarrassing and self-defeating veto of Palestinian membership in the United Nations. Beset by debt, mired in economic doldrums provoked by the cupidity and corruption of its business classes, and on the verge of withdrawing from Iraq and ultimately Afghanistan in defeat, the U.S. needs all the friends it can get. If he were the visionary we thought we elected in 2008, President Obama would surprise everyone by rethinking the issue and coming out in favor of a U.N. membership for Palestine. In so doing, he would help the U.S. recover some of its tarnished prestige and avoid a further descent into global isolation and opprobrium.

It is often the little things that trip up empires and send them spiraling into geopolitical feebleness. France’s decision to react brutally to the Algerian independence movement from 1954 arguably helped send its West African subjects running for the exits, much to the surprise and dismay of a puzzled Gen. Charles de Gaulle. Empires are always constructed out of a combination of coercion and loyalty, and post-colonial historians often would prefer not to remember the loyalty of compradors and collaborators. But arguably it is the desertion of the latter that contributes most decisively to imperial collapse.

Thus, it is highly significant that an influential Saudi prince warned the United States that a veto of Palestine at the U.N. could well cost the latter its alliance with Saudi Arabia. The kingdom is the world’s swing petroleum producer and has done Washington many favors in the oil markets, and although such favors were seldom altogether altruistic, Riyadh’s good will has been a key element in U.S. predominance.

The House of Saud has other options, after all. It has been thinking hard about whether its ideological differences with the Chinese Communist Party are not outweighed by common interests. Among these mutual goals is the preservation of a model of authoritarian, top-down governance combined with rapid economic advance to forestall popular demands for participation, as an alternative to Western liberalism. For its part, China has invested $15 billion in the Arab world in recent years and is an increasingly appealing destination for Arab capital. Beijing is supporting Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’ initiative for recognition in the U.N.

NATO ally Turkey has also broken with the U.S. over Palestine policy, vowing to do what it can to end the shameful and illegal Israeli blockade on civilian Palestinians in Gaza. Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has vowed to change Obama’s mind, reminding him of his 2010 speech to the U.N. General Assembly, in which the U.S. president looked forward to the establishment in short order of a Palestinian state. Erdogan says of the veto threat, “We have difficulties in understanding their position. ... The U.S. has always advocated a two-state solution.”

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Even NATO ally France, which has troops fighting in Afghanistan alongside U.S. forces, broke with Obama on Palestine, advocating a compromise abhorred in Washington and Tel Aviv whereby the Palestinian Authority would join the Vatican in being a formal U.N. observer state. Indeed, NATO is divided on this issue, with Spain and Norway joining Turkey and France in bolting from U.S. leadership. In the wider European Union, the split is even more stark. With countries traditionally willing to follow the U.S. lead on important geopolitical issues now breaking with Washington on Palestine, it is no surprise that the tier of rising world powers known as the BRICS—Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa—is unanimously in favor of the Palestine bid at the U.N.

Also gone by the wayside are Arab dictators such as Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali of Tunisia and Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, who were usually willing to do Washington’s bidding in dealing with the Palestinians. The vital youth movements in the Arab world have not foregrounded the Palestine issue, afraid of giving their dictators an opportunity to change the subject from domestic issues of repression and corruption. But the invasion by some Egyptian protesters of the Israeli Embassy in Cairo and the forced withdrawal of Israeli ambassadors from Egypt and Turkey signal a likely turn in the region toward governments more attentive to public opinion in favor of the Palestinians in the Middle East. The revolutionary youth of 2011, having overthrown three governments and shaken a half-dozen more to their foundations, had idolized democracy and seemed willing to give Washington a hearing. But Obama could squander the remnants of his good will by appearing to support the repression of a whole people’s yearning for basic human rights.

Iran, which has suffered a loss of prestige in the Arab world because of its support for the repressive government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria (from which Tehran has recently only mildly backpedaled), could recover some of its past cachet if the U.S. vetoes the Palestinian bid for U.N. membership. Iran’s public relations difficulties in the Arab world had been a godsend for Obama in the past six months, but he could easily squander this opportunity.

The American inability to fashion a consensus on this issue among its closest allies, much less on the world stage, stands in stark contrast to the role Washington had been able to play only two decades ago. One recalls the unarguably impressive performance of George H. W. Bush in 1990 in constructing a U.N.-backed international alliance, including the Arab League, for the purpose of the Gulf War. In part, the failure derives from declining economic and political clout. The U.S. economy is only 20 percent of the world gross domestic product now, down from 25 percent in 1990 (and down from 50 percent in 1945), and America has powerful new economic challengers such as China, which could overtake it in a decade.

But in large part, Washington’s current difficulties derive from adopting a position contrary to international law and to basic human decency. Israel’s creeping annexation of the West Bank looks suspiciously like Saddam Hussein’s occupation of Kuwait—both being land-grabs that violate the United Nations Charter, Article 2.4. The stateless Palestinians ultimately have no individual rights. No national courts uphold their property deeds or rights to resources such as water. At least if they are recognized by the vast majority of U.N. member states, the Palestinians may gain the standing to sue in national and international courts to stop the ongoing torts being committed against them by the Israeli settler-industrial complex. In standing against this attempt to right an epochal historical wrong to an entire people, Obama puts the United States on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of world opinion. Neither is likely to forgive him.


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By firefly, October 12, 2011 at 7:18 pm Link to this comment

Brilliant article Juan Cole!

The arrogance of those in power who presume to know
“what’s best” for Americans, Israelis and Palestinians
is sickening…

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By blogdog, October 4, 2011 at 10:53 am Link to this comment

as for a ‘debate’, that’s what we’re doing, isn’t it? thanks for being civil - a bit
rare on TD these days…

RE: “... hostilities that will obstruct peace in the region for another
generation at least.”

that is, in fact the goal:  instability, chaos, failed states and ultimately
systematic depopulation (e.g. ubiquitous DU poisoning)

NATO’s military mission in the Middle East has nothing to do with propaganda
about freeing people from tyrants - that’s simply how its sold…

3 things to never forget:

1. “Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus
Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

2. “The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the
major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

3. “...military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign
policy. - Henrey Kissinger, National Security Advisor under Richard Nixon and
Gerald Ford.

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By Blueboy1938, October 4, 2011 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

Look, Monsieur Blogdog, I don’t want to get into a debate about the justification
for either conflict.  The incidents as you have outlined them are very
interesting, but in fact have become historical footnotes to the invasion of
Afghanistan.  It was more than just the capture or killing of Bin Laden and/or
Zawahiri that was considered necessary to combat what was essentially a war
machine inside Afghanistan, at the sufferance of the Taliban, aimed at the
destruction of the United States.  Whether we should have gone to war over
9/11 or not is an open question.  Whether we should have gone into Iraq is
clearly not justified, as I said.  However, we have not yet been “defeated” in
either conflict.  Not yet.  That is unlikely in Iraq, which is already winding down
in fits and starts, but there is a government - chaotic though it be - in place. 
So we can continue to pull out of there claiming to have “met our goals”.  It’s
still up for grabs in Afghanistan, which should have concluded several years
ago, had not the Bush administration pursued an illegal attempt to finish what
Bush’s daddy started and get Saddam that foolishly diverted resources to Iraq.

Saddam was removed and then tried and executed, but the hornet’s nest of
unresolved internecine antagonisms had already been stirred up in the clumsy
aftermath of the “mission accomplished” invasion.  Removing Saddam also had
the unintended consequence of removing the only real counterbalance to Iran,
thus undermining years of careful manipulation in the Middle East to keep Israel
from being attacked again and keep Israel from being a bully to the
Palestinians.  Now it’s all a shambles and going nowhere fast, with Abbas’
statehood ploy just the latest in a destructive dance of egos and hostilities that
will obstruct peace in the region for another generation at least.

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By blogdog, October 3, 2011 at 6:44 pm Link to this comment

RE: ”...the only way to get at al Qaeda.”

not so fast…

the Taliban offered to deliver OBL for trial if shown plausible proof - they had
been dealing with Washington, taking 40-million just 6 months before 9/11 -
working to move farmers away from poppy cultivation and talking pileline

moreover…

CIA agent alleged to have met Bin Laden in July French report claims
terrorist leader stayed in Dubai hospital
Anthony Sampson
The Guardian,    Wednesday 31 October 2001 22.17 EST
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/nov/01/afghanistan.terrorism
Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days
for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA
agent, according to the French newspaper Le Figaro.

The disclosures are known to come from French intelligence which is keen to
reveal the ambiguous role of the CIA, and to restrain Washington from
extending the war to Iraq and elsewhere.
[...]


Here’s Peter Dale Scott on the subject from
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3422

[...]

In our book, 9/11 and Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, I wrote of Ali Mohamed,
the close ally of Osama bin Laden and his mentor Ayman al-Zawahiri.7 It is now
generally admitted that Ali Mohamed (known in the al Qaeda camps as Abu
Mohamed al Amriki — “Father Mohamed the American”)8 worked for the FBI,
the CIA, and U.S. Special Forces. As he later confessed in court, he also aided
the terrorist Ayman al-Zawahiri, a co-founder of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad,
and by then an aide to bin Laden, when he visited America to raise money.9

The 9/11 Report mentioned him, and said that the plotters against the U.S.
Embassy in Kenya were “led” (their word) by Ali Mohamed.10 That’s the
Report’s only reference to him, though it’s not all they heard.

Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney who negotiated a plea bargain and confession
from Ali Mohamed, said this in testimony to the Commission

Ali Mohamed. …. trained most of al Qaeda’s top leadership – including Bin
Laden and Zawahiri – and most of al Qaeda’s top trainers. He gave some
training to persons who would later carry out the 1993 World Trade Center
bombing…. From 1994 until his arrest in 1998, he lived as an American citizen
in California, applying for jobs as an FBI translator.11
[,,,]

we’ve also got this from a BBC interview
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm

[...]
PALAST:
Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the
State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American
visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.

MICHAEL SPRINGMAN:
In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to
issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had
no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at
the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the
General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the
Inspector General’s office. I was met with silence.

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by
Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then
be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets.

[...]

origings of the global war OF terror - TERROR INC. - on demand, where it’s
needed, when it’s needed - Al Queda, the CIA’s Arab Foreign Legion and assets
on call to MI6 and MOSSAD - the later especially infamous for terrorist
provocations, e.g. The King David Hotel bombing by Irgun, predecessor to
MOSSAD - as for MI6, their NATO Operation Gladio is equally infamous

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By Blueboy1938, October 3, 2011 at 5:33 pm Link to this comment

It’s “the global war ON terror” if you’ll pardon me for saying so.  You have a
point that it may go on indefinitely, since the terrorists don’t seem to be
interested in a cease fire any time soon.  It is perfectly legitimate to speak in
terms of goals when there isn’t really any possibility of a conventional “victory”. 
While invading Iraq was military adventurism in it’s rawest form and totally
illegal no matter what UN resolutions are cited, it has not resulted in a “defeat”
in the conventional sense of that word, either.  The invasion of Afghanistan is
pretty generally supportable in the same way that the invasion of Japan was. 
Just because the Taliban government didn’t directly sponsor, crew, and direct
the planes doesn’t mean that it was not complicit, and its overthrow was the
only way to get at al Qaeda.  Both these conflicts are “limited warfare”
engagements that attempted, with varying success, to avoid civilian casualties
while accomplishing specific goals.  We could, of course, have nuked them both
into the middle ages, but didn’t.  Ostensibly, that was because our quarrel was
not with the populations at large of those two nations but with their leaders
and, as it turned out, with a lot of disparate armed elements for which we were
ill prepared.

As for the attempt by Abbas and company to get the imprimatur of the UN to
legitimize its fractured geography as a state, there’s no point at all in doing so
if it will not be recognized by Israel.  Until Israel is recognized as a state by
Hamas, which controls Gaza, and a peace accord is reached between all parties,
Abbas’ effort is a pointless exercise in geopolitical theatrics for home
consumption.  Well, actually, it does have a point:  keeping him in power.

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By blogdog, October 1, 2011 at 6:23 pm Link to this comment

to argue the status of Iraq and Afghanistan in terms of ‘goals’ met and yet to be
met, is simply naive - there is no intended end to the global war of terror - it’s the
MIC’s biggest money maker of all time and the perfect vehicle through which to
eliminate those inconvenient and troublesome populations - via DU poisoning -
and never mind that it’s killing NATO troops as well, all are cannon fodder - as
Kissinger made clear: “soldiers are dumb animals only useful in advancing political
agendas” - desperate measures by an empire. virtually in free-fall, breakdown
crisis and bereft of any productive ideas

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By Phil D, October 1, 2011 at 2:45 am Link to this comment
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blueboy - http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/
palestine_vote_showcases_the_decline_of_american_power_20110927/#429144

It is often argued that the US Monroe Doctrine implements something very close to imperial power in the Western Hemisphere.  The USA is more like China of old where neighbours near and far are vassal states - Japan, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom and South Korea come to mind.  And if Bahrain, Guam, American Samoa, Marshall Islands, Puerto Rico aren’t US colonies and protectorates then you must be using a weird dictionary.

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By Blueboy1938, September 30, 2011 at 3:51 pm Link to this comment

The United States is not an “empire” per se.  We may have the biggest embassy in the world in Bagdad, but we have not made Iraq into a colony or a “protectorate”.  We don’t “occupy” the places where our troops are stationed around the world, despite all the palaver that we do.  The withdrawal from Iraq is not “in defeat” as there is a functioning government in place, and that’s what our goal was.  Afghanistan is another story.  The jury is still out there.  The Taliban
government was replaced, which was our goal, but several elements, the Taliban
being only one of them, still pose problems.  The status of that conflict when, and
if, US troops are withdrawn is still an open question.  Asserting that the withdrawal of US troops is “in defeat” is a premature assumption at this point.

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By gerard, September 29, 2011 at 9:48 pm Link to this comment
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Thoughts on “the decline of American power”:
  American power used to be lodged in the ideas of American democracy embodied in the moral principles as stated in the Constitution.
  American power was shifted during and after the Cold War from the moral values of democracy to the military/financial values of conquest and domination.  The moral values of the Constitution were sacrificed to the monetary values of capitalistic corporate domination.
  We in America are now living in the inevitable decline caused by the predominance of the shoddy powers of greed and commercialization, enforced by military power largely devoid of moral values.
  The loss of the moral/ethical influence of American democracy has had a profound disillusioning effect on most of the countries of the world.  Into the vacuum new influences are arising—many primarily interested in maintaining power through ideological/military power, some through suppression of popular democratic ideals, some through commercial interests promoted by strictly unified and repressive politico/religious doctrines, and a few struggling for democratic freedoms.
  America itself is bending away from decades of military/industrial capitalism that sacrificed democratic values but has no clear alternative goals. People in the Middle East are attempting to take control of strong central governments. In China, giving up democratic values by choice, the emphasis is on maintaining powerful central controls and attempting financial domination.  All are trying to enforce limited ideological doctrines inadequate for modern human development.
  It is doubtful whether the human race can survive and solve its problems using strong central government control based on Communist, capitalist or religious ideologies.  The fatal flaw of all is lack of freedom, equal opportunity and openness necessary for creative innovation and humanistic development.

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By proletariatprincess, September 29, 2011 at 6:50 am Link to this comment

The type is almost illegible in this article and all the postings.  What has happened?  Is this censorship or just a technical glitch…?

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By David J. Cyr, September 29, 2011 at 5:04 am Link to this comment

A liberal is a (how they say) “cognitively impaired” person, who, if serving a life sentence without any chance for parole, would never understand that it was the clever deviousness of (D) “good” cop that got s/him convicted.

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By Robert, September 28, 2011 at 2:39 pm Link to this comment

Israeli father of released U.S. hiker says his son is ‘faring well’


Josh Fattal, Shane Bauer and Sarah Shourd arrested by Iranian soldiers in 2009 when hiking near unmarked Iran-Iraq border; Shourd released last year, but Bauer and Fattal only freed last week.


By Rutie Zuta


Jacob Fattal expressed surprise and gratitude that the Israeli press did not report on his son’s Israeli connections.

In an effort not to draw attention to the ties with Israel after Josh’s arrest, the family decided that rather than having his father involved in public efforts for Josh’s release, the task would go to Josh’s brother, Alex, a doctoral student at Harvard University and to Josh’s mother, Laura, who was born in the United States.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/
israeli-father-of-released-u-s-hiker-says-his-son-is-faring-well-1.387090

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By JDmysticDJ, September 28, 2011 at 11:13 am Link to this comment

QUOTATIONS FROM A FANATICAL RADICAL; BEING THE COLOR OF BILE PUKE GREEN.

“WHAT’S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE NOT CORPORATE “EDUCATED” TO BE UNEDUCABLE IS THAT THE DUPLICITY AND DEPRAVITY OF MILLIONS OF LIBERALS PERVERTING THE ELECTORAL PROCESS — REGULARLY (D) VOTING FOR WHAT THEY SAID THEY OPPOSED AND AGAINST WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE FOR — IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CHAOS COMING.”

WHAT’S OBVIOUS TO ANYONE NOT A NIHILISTIC RADICAL MORON IS THAT LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES HAVE SERVED AS A BULWARK AGAINST THE EXCESSES OF PERVERSE RIGHT-WING POLICIES AND WITHOUT LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES WE’D STILL BE ATTEMPTING TO RECOVER FROM THE GREAT DEPRESSION, SLAVERY WOULD STILL BE LEGAL, CHILDREN WOULD BE WORKING FOR SLAVE WAGES, A SOCIAL SAFETY NET WOULD BE NON-EXISTENT, PEOPLE WOULD BE WORKING A MINIMUM OF 12 HOURS 6 DAYS A WEEK, WE’D STILL BE AT WAR IN INDO-CHINA, PINOCHET LIKE DICTATORS WOULD BE RULING EVERY COUNTRY IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA, AND EUROPE AND MUCH OF THE WORLD WOULD BE LIVING UNDER THE RULE OF NAZI’S, ETC. ETC.


“THE GREATER EVIL IS THE DEMOCRAT FACTION OF THE CORPORATE PARTY, BECAUSE IT IS THE LIBERAL VOTERS WHO ENSURE THAT EVIL ALWAYS WINS; IT IS THE LIBERAL VOTERS WHO CLAIM TO OPPOSE EVIL, WHILE THEY VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS TO PERFECT EVERY EVIL.”

THE GREATER EVIL IS THE RIGHT-WING FACTION OF OUR CORPORATE GOVERNMENT. IT IS THE LIBERAL VOTERS THAT HAVE PREVENTED THE RIGHT-WING FROM ALWAYS WINNING. IT IS LIBERAL VOTERS WHO OPPOSE EVIL, AND DEMOCRATS WHO VOTE TO STOP THE PERFECTION OF EVERY EVIL.

“OVER THE PAST HALF CENTURY, DEVIOUS FEAR MONGERING DEMOCRAT OPERATIVES HAVE RELENTLESSLY PUSHED THE POLITICAL “CENTER” OVER TO THE RIGHT, FOR THE “CENTER” TO JOIN THERE TOGETHER WITH THE CORPORATE PARTY’S DEMOCRAT/REPUBLICAN GOOD COP/BAD COP PARTNERSHIP — PUSHED THE “CENTER” WAY FAR OVER INTO THE CORPORATE STATES OF AMERICA’S GREAT RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY.”

IT WAS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE, COUNTER REVOLUTIONARY, RADICAL LEFTISTS WHO DROVE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE INTO THE VOTING BOOTH TO ELECT RICHARD NIXON TWICE. IT WAS THE WELL FUNDED RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY DIRECTED AT LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS THAT MOVED OUR POLITICS TO THE RIGHT AND THE ONLY EFFECTIVE OPPOSITION TO THIS CONSPIRACY CAME FROM LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS. (I HAVE AN AVERSION TO COPS, BUT I’LL TAKE A GOOD (BETTER) COP OVER A BAD COP EVERY TIME.)

“IT WAS THE “PROGRESSIVE” LIBERALS WHO PERSUADED ANTIWAR PEOPLE TO NOT “WASTE” THEIR VOTE VOTING AGAINST WAR; TO INSTEAD VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS TO HAVE MORE WARS “BETTER” WAGED.”

A VOTE FOR OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS WAS A VOTE AGAINST WAR, AND IT IS STILL A VOTE FOR OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS THAT IS OUR BEST HOPE FOR ENDING THESE WARS. IF PEOPLE HAD NOT WASTED THEIR VOTES IN 2000 THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THAT 9/11 AND THESE WARS WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED. IT WAS RIGHT-WING GEOPOLITICAL COVERT ACTION THAT EMPOWERED THE JIHADISTS AND RIGHT-WING GLOBAL COVERT AND OVERT ACTION THAT GAVE RATIONALES TO TERRORISTS. THE COMPLICITY OF DEMOCRAT POLITICIANS IN THESE OVERT AND COVERT ACTIONS IS WELL KNOWN, AS IS THE OPPOSITION TO THESE COVERT AND OVERT ACTIONS BY LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS. THE ADVOCACY OF ABANDONING THE ONLY VIABLE RESISTANCE TO SUCH POLICIES IS SHEER LUNACY, AND TANTAMOUNT TO ALLOWING THE FOX TO GUARD THE HENHOUSE.

(MORE BELOW)

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By JDmysticDJ, September 28, 2011 at 10:59 am Link to this comment

QUOTATIONS FROM A FANATICAL RADICAL; BEING THE COLOR OF BILE PUKE GREEN. #2


“IT WAS THE “PROGRESSIVE” LIBERALS WHO PERSUADED SINGLE-PAYER ADVOCATES TO NOT “WASTE” THEIR VOTE VOTING FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FOR ALL; TO INSTEAD VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS TO MANDATE GREATER PROFITS FOR HEALTH CARELESS SICKCARE.”

THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE BILL WAS THE BEST THAT COULD BE GOTTEN UNDER CURRENT POLITICAL REALITIES, AND ONLY MORONS ARE INCAPABLE OF UNDERSTANDING THAT FACT. THE RIGHT VOTED IN UNISON TO OPPOSE THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE ACT, AND REPEALING THE MEAGER IMPROVEMENTS IS THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS FOR RIGHT-WING IDEOLOGUES.

“IT WAS THE “PROGRESSIVE” LIBERALS WHO PERSUADED ENVIRONMENTALISTS TO NOT “WASTE” THEIR VOTE VOTING FOR SUSTAINABLE AND SURVIVABLE POLICIES INFORMED BY ECOLOGICAL WISDOM; TO INSTEAD VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS TO USE DESPERATE MEASURES TO INCREASE EXTRACTION OF THE LAST REMNANTS OF FOSSIL FUELS, WHILE REGULATING ENVIRONMENTALISTS TO PROTECT THE PROFITS OF POLLUTERS.”

ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE RIGHTLY DISAPPOINTED WITH OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS CONCERNING ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, BUT RATIONAL ENVIRONMENTALISTS ARE ALSO AWARE OF THE DICHOTOMY BETWEEN DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS ON ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

“IT WAS THE “PROGRESSIVES” WHO PERSUADED WEAK WILLED AND WEAK MINDED MILLIONS THAT THE CORPORATE PARTY’S SHIT TASTES BETTER, IF COLORED BLUE RATHER THAN RED. IN 2008 THEY EVEN GAVE THEIR DEMOCRAT SHIT A CHOCOLATE COATING, BUT INSIDE THE CHOCOLATE THERE’S NOTHING BUT SHIT.”

THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH BY YOU IS CRASS, DISGUSTING, VILE, AND REVEALS AN EVIL THAT SHOULD BE READILY APPARENT TO PEOPLE SENSITIVE TO THE ISSUE OF RACE. THERE ARE MANY VALID REASONS TO BE CRITICAL OF OBAMA, BUT RACE IS NOT ONE OF THEM. MORE THAN ANY OF YOUR WRONG HEADED ASSERTIONS; THE ABOVE PARAGRAPH BY YOU CONVINCES ME THAT YOU ARE A VILE CRETIN, AN OVER-EMOTIONAL, ANGRY, NIHILISTIC, COUNTER PRODUCTIVE, RADICAL, DEVOID OF THE POWER OF REASON, AND THAT PEOPLE OF YOUR ILK THREATEN EVERY IDEAL GOOD PEOPLE HOLD DEAR, AS WELL AS BEING A THREAT TO EVER ACHIEVING LEFT OBJECTIVES. IT IS YOUR KIND OF EXTREMISM THAT DISCREDITS THE LEFT AND DRIVES ORDINARY AMERICANS TO THE RIGHT.

“DEMOCRATS AREN’T IN ANY PART OF THE LEFT. IT’S THE JOB OF DEMOCRATS TO ELIMINATE THE LEFT TO PROTECT THE RIGHT.”

Democrats are to the left of Republicans and only demagogues, or people grossly ignorant of, or unaware of, the political spectrum and what it indicates assert otherwise.

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By Robert, September 28, 2011 at 9:57 am Link to this comment

The Disappearance of President Obama & Netanyahu’s Security Scam


America needs a benign military coup to put an end to the corruption of pork barrel politics which put democracy up for sale to the highest bidders.

By Alan Hart

September 27, 2011

Barack Obama is still occupying the Oval Office but on policy for Israel-Palestine he is no longer the president. He is presidential candidate Obama, devoted to saying and doing whatever is necessary to secure American Jewish campaign funding and Zionist lobby organized Jewish votes which, in a close election race, could make the difference between him getting or not getting a second term in the White House.

As I listened to Obama asserting that “Israel is surrounded by neighbours that have waged repeated wars against it” – a big, fat lie and not as Obama further asserted one of the “facts” that “cannot be denied” – a very subversive thought came into my mind.

It was that what America needs is a benign military coup to put an end to the corruption of pork barrel politics which put democracy up for sale to the highest bidders. (One of the highest bidders is, of course, the Zionist lobby in association with the lunatics of Christian fundamentalism in its various forms. These lunatics are historically the real Jew haters and they support the Zionist state and fund its on-going colonization of the occupied West Bank only because they see it, Greater Israel, as the instrument for bringing about Armageddon – the end of the world including the slaughter of the Jews if they don’t renounce their religion and convert to Christianity when Jesus returns).

To the best of my knowledge, no previous American president has ever gone as far as Obama went in shamelessly promoting Zionism’s version of history while more or less ignoring that of the Palestinians. (As I listened, I wondered if three living former presidents – Carter, Bush senior and Clinton – were marvelling at Obama’s complete transformation into a political prostitute).

I thought Uri Avnery’s summary commentary on Obama’s speech was spot on. He wrote:

“Obama treated the two sides as if they were equal in strength – Israelis and Palestinians, Palestinians and Israelis.

“But of the two, it is the Israelis – only they who suffer and have suffered. Persecution. Exile. Holocaust. An Israeli child threatened by rockets. Surrounded by the hatred of Arab children. So sad.

“No Occupation. No settlements. No June 1967 borders. No Nakba. No Palestinian children killed or frightened. It’s the straight right-wing Israeli propaganda line, pure and simple – the terminology, the historical narrative, the argumentation.” (As I document in my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, Israel’s existence has never, ever, been in danger from any combination of Arab force).

Avnery also commented that in essence Obama “sold the fundamental national interests of the United States of America for the chance of a second term.” My thought on this aspect of the matter is the following.”

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By WarrenMetzler, September 28, 2011 at 8:53 am Link to this comment

I am bothered by this rush to statehood phenomenon. Why is it that it is
obvious to many, given the Palestinian Papers and other information, that the
Abbas / senior leadership of the PLO are incompetent and not up to the job,
and now suddenly everyone is jumping on this bandwagon of statehood.

I would like to suggest an alternative. I suggest that we recognize that Abbas
and all the senior leadership of the PLO are corrupt, greedy, self-centered,
power hungry people; who are quite resistant to Palestinians being truly free;
because they know that would lead to all of them losing their jobs.

I further suggest that effort be put into encouraging the Palestinians to
establishing elections, with every person in the world who was born in
Palestine, or whose parents or grandparents were born in Palestine, and who is
21 years of age or older being given a vote, and having the president and
leaders of the new parliament form a new team, that deals with Israel and its
assistant the US from a whole new perspective.

One of which is to refuse to have any further discussions with Israel until they
agree on paper with essentials, subsequent negotiations being details of how to
implement the essentials not amend any of the essentials.

The essentials including the following: Palestine has the same land area as
existed in the West Bank prior to 1967, and in Gaza prior to 1967; all in both
areas contiguous; the eastern border of the West Bank being the Jordan River,
the western border of the West Bank being the Green Line with some
adjustments; a land passage between the West Bank and Gaza over which Israel
has no control, except if war is declared between Israel and Palestine; Gaza
having sea rights for the normal 200 miles claimed by all countries; Israel has
no control over the airspace of Palestine, and no control over water or mineral
rights in Palestine.

Then after the new government is in place, requesting statehood from the UN
be considered.

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By David J. Cyr, September 28, 2011 at 5:38 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, of an avatar being a painting in many (D)evious shades of blue:

“One obvious aspect of our political reality is the political chaos we see today. In order to prevent the greater of evils from obtaining political power the Left and Center need to coalesce against the greater evil, but some on the Left seem bound and determined to drive the Center to the Right with their irrational, emotionalism, which can only be seen as counter productive to the goals they espouse”
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What’s obvious to anyone not corporate “educated” to be uneducable is that the duplicity and depravity of millions of liberals perverting the electoral process — regularly (D) voting for what they said they opposed and against what they said they were for — is responsible for the chaos coming.

The greater evil is the Democrat faction of the corporate party, because it is the liberal voters who ensure that evil always wins; it is the liberal voters who claim to oppose evil, while they vote for Democrats to perfect every evil.

Over the past half century, devious fear mongering Democrat operatives have relentlessly pushed the political “Center” over to the right, for the “Center” to join there together with the corporate party’s Democrat/Republican good cop/bad cop partnership — pushed the “Center” way far over into the Corporate States of America’s Great Right-wing Conspiracy.

It was the “progressive” liberals who persuaded antiwar people to not “waste” their vote voting against war; to instead vote for Democrats to have more wars “better” waged.

It was the “progressive” liberals who persuaded Single-Payer advocates to not “waste” their vote voting for universal healthcare for all; to instead vote for Democrats to mandate greater profits for health careless SickCare.

It was the “progressive” liberals who persuaded environmentalists to not “waste” their vote voting for sustainable and survivable policies informed by ecological wisdom; to instead vote for Democrats to use desperate measures to increase extraction of the last remnants of fossil fuels, while regulating environmentalists to protect the profits of polluters.

It was the “progressives” who persuaded weak willed and weak minded millions that the corporate party’s shit tastes better, if colored blue rather than red. In 2008 they even gave their Democrat shit a chocolate coating, but inside the chocolate there’s nothing but shit.

Democrats aren’t in any part of the Left. It’s the job of Democrats to eliminate the Left to protect the Right.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By Nap, September 27, 2011 at 10:54 pm Link to this comment
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Juan Cole makes the mistake of lamenting and bemoaning the “Decline of American Power”.  As historians, he spent a life time to analyze, identify and put forth an educated opinion” It is often the little things that trip up empires and send them spiraling into geopolitical feebleness”.
Ever while holding tight the mirage that is the empire and thus its exceptional citizens.
And this gem “Iran’s public relations difficulties in the Arab world had been a godsend for Obama in the past six months, but he could easily squander this opportunity.”
Well then a gift from above plus NATO and some Saudi prince and all IS well? Neither Iran, nor Palestine nor bush, nor Obama are the disease, just the symptoms of “empire r us”

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By gerard, September 27, 2011 at 8:24 pm Link to this comment

ACHDOC:  Has it occurred to you that “not deviating from convictions” for 30 years, (no matter how well thought-out etc.) might be a good reason to doubt the wisdom of a candidate?

“Not deviating from (wrong policies) for 30 years (no matter how well thought-out) is precisely what is causing the U.S. downfall. Guantanamo comes to mind instantly:  It was going to be effective.  It was going to be legal. Nobody was going to find out enough about it to object effectively. It was going to stop terrorists, uncover plots, reveal enemies etc. Of course it did nothing of the sort, and on the contrary, reinforced errors and evil.
  In fact, that is THE most common failure of all governments—NOT deviating from ‘well-thought-out policies” that don’t work. 
  The heart of the problem is that policies are most often well-thought-out in the interests of a limited number of people, and the devil take the those within whose welfare said decisions did not address, no matter what promises were made. It is not change, but resistance to change that prevents governments from self-correcting.  They are over-committed to yesterday and to any number of past errors, no matter how egregious.
  The only sane governor is one who can recognize the need to change, and invent a practical way to do so soon enough to avoid calamity. Thirty years of rigidity could turn a heaven into hell.

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By acudoc, September 27, 2011 at 3:40 pm Link to this comment

I can only add——support Ron Paul and his discussions
of these very major topics, including the grotesque
influence of the Federal Reserve and the international
banking system.

At least he is a man who has well-stated and thought-
out convictions from which he has not deviated in
thirty years. Unlike Obama, Change-You-Can-Choke-On,
think Ron Paul, No-Change-You-Get-What-You-See

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By JDmysticDJ, September 27, 2011 at 3:09 pm Link to this comment

Juan Cole’s emphasis on geopolitical concerns, diminishing U.S. influence, and failing empire, is objectionable. Wasn’t it geopolitical thinking and the desire for U.S. hegemony that created the problems we now face? If I thought Juan Cole’s sole concern was for preserving empire then I would write him off as a just another American exceptionalist seeking to maintain inordinate power and control over the worlds peoples and governments, but he concludes his article by writing:

Washington’s current difficulties derive from adopting a position contrary to international law and to basic human decency. Israel’s creeping annexation of the West Bank looks suspiciously like Saddam Hussein’s occupation of Kuwait—both being land-grabs that violate the United Nations Charter. The stateless Palestinians ultimately have no individual rights… At least if they are recognized by the vast majority of U.N. member states, the Palestinians may gain the standing to sue in national and international courts to stop the ongoing torts being committed against them by the Israeli settler-industrial complex. In standing against this attempt to right an epochal historical wrong to an entire people, Obama puts the United States on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of world opinion. Neither is likely to forgive him.”

The U.N. Security Council equates to democratic decision making in the same way that Autocracy equates to democracy. The U.S. has singularly vetoed dozens of U.N. Resolutions pertaining to Israel and the Middle East. This decision by the U.S. to veto recognition of a Palestinian State is unforgivable, just as other decisions by the U.S. to veto have been unforgivable.

The U.N. Security Council corrupts democratic decision making in the same way that the inordinate influence of wealth and power corrupts our democracy United Nations General Assembly is made powerless by Security Council vetoes, just as the people of the U.S. are made powerless by the inordinate wealth and power of special interest groups that have de facto veto power.

The illegitimacy of U.N. Security Council Veto is made legitimate by the U.N. Charter, and the illegitimacy of wealth and power via special interest money is made legitimate by a 5-4 majority right-wing appointed Supreme Court decision.
Concerning the U.N. the far right-wing has advocated U.S. withdrawal from the U.N. in the past, but from a right-wing ultra-nationalist perspective, why would the U.S. want to withdraw from a global institution it has affective control over via the power of veto? From a left-wing humanitarian perspective the U.N. has proved valuable via declarations, initiatives, quantitative studies, and global organization of humanitarian endeavors, although many would consider those endeavors inadequate.

Concerning governance in the U.S., as long as the right-wing controls governance the perceived right wing injustices will be insurmountable. What constitutes the right-wing is a subject for debate depending on one’s political perspective, but that there is a right-wing and left-wing in our politics is undeniable as is best illustrated by the 5 to 4 Supreme Court Citizens United Supreme Court Decision.

It is logical to conclude that an important step in righting perceived wrongs from a left perspective would be changing the political make-up of the Supreme Court which has the power to nullify democratically arrived at legislation and, in the worst example, even the power to select our President, which also has the affect of shaping the political make-up of the Supreme Court into the future. It seems to be an imperative from a left-wing perspective that the political make-up of the Supreme Court be moved to the left. It’s been argued that this one aspect of our political reality, in and of itself, is of the utmost importance and a reason to support a more left leaning government and not to withdraw support for said more left leaning government.

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By JDmysticDJ, September 27, 2011 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

(Continued from above)

Dialectic in favor of unbiased justice, free from hypocrisy, and the virtue of compassion is of no value when directed at those whose dialectic is in favor of a philosophy of personal and national self interest and see compassion as a negative, not as a positive. This in my opinion is another reason for supporting and not withdrawing support for a more left leaning government.

Obama Publically states “Unwavering support” for the nation of Israel, while Obama is criticized from the Right and the Left and by Jewish and Arab leaders. Obama is the first serving U.S. President to offer the 1967 borders as being the starting point for negotiations between Israel and Palestinians, but he is criticized from all sides and given no credibility by any faction.

“[Republican Presidential Candidate] Perry called on the U.S. to approach the Middle East with a ‘new firmness and a new resolve.’ Perry criticized Obama for demanding concessions from the Jewish state that Perry says emboldened the Palestinians to seek recognition by the U.N.


‘We would not be here today ... if the Obama policy in the Middle East wasn’t naive and arrogant, misguided and dangerous,’ he said.


Perry said the U.S.—to show there are “consequences” for the action at the U.N.—should reconsider its aid to the Palestinians and shut down the Palestinian Liberation Organization’s Washington office if the vote proceeds. He also expressed support for continued settlement construction and suggested the U.S. Embassy be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, as a nod of support for a united Jerusalem under Israeli rule.”

“In a written statement before Perry spoke, Romney called the diplomatic maneuvering at the United Nations this week an “unmitigated diplomatic disaster.” The former Massachusetts governor also accused Obama’s administration of ‘repeated efforts over three years to throw Israel under the bus and undermine its negotiating position.’”

Criticisms of Obama’s Israel policies from the Left are evident here and elsewhere, even Jews opposed to Israeli policies are critical of Obama’s Israel policies because Obama is seen as being too accommodating to Israeli right-wing policies.

People from the Left need to take a close look at the Republican candidates for president and right-wing objectives and initiatives before they decide to withdraw support for Obama and the Democrats. Having little faith in the acuity of the American electorate I can only see this barrage of criticism directed at Obama and the Democrats coming from the Left as being an incentive for apathetic and disappointed former Obama supporters to abstain from voting which will lead to a result identical to the 2010 midterm elections and the 1968, 1972, and 1980 presidential elections.

One obvious aspect of our political reality is the political chaos we see today. In order to prevent the greater of evils from obtaining political power the Left and Center need to coalesce against the greater evil, but some on the Left seem bound and determined to drive the Center to the Right with their irrational, emotionalism, which can only be seen as counter productive to the goals they espouse by the rational mind. Such is nihilistic and stupid.

“Hell, I never vote for anybody, I always vote against.” W.C. Fields

(The above humor is out of proper context, but it makes perfect sense when given today’s political reality.)

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By Project Mayhem, September 27, 2011 at 11:16 am Link to this comment

One of the more compelling Truthdig columns in recent memory. Cole’s narrative ably relates the tale of a waning and disastrous world power flailing its way ever more deeply into madness and irrelevance. The next ten years will certainly be interesting times for US foreign policy, such as it is.

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By blogdog, September 27, 2011 at 10:48 am Link to this comment

yes the empire is in decline - tipping point was big - 9/11 - striking parallel:
Nero’s Rome and the great fire of CE 64

According to Tacitus, the population searched for a scapegoat and rumors
held Nero responsible. To deflect blame, Nero targeted Christians. He ordered
Christians to be thrown to dogs, while others were crucified and burned.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nero

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By felicity, September 27, 2011 at 10:30 am Link to this comment

“...little things that trip up empires…” Historically
so true and often because the ‘empires’ refuse to, or
are incapable of, or refuse to admit, that their
policies are leading to their ruin.

The Catholic Church and the final Reformation:  King
George III and the final American Revolution:  Japan’s
quest for complete domination of the Far East and
finally her predictable defeat in WWII. (Barbara
Tuchman’s book “The March of Folly” is a must read on
the subject.)

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By rwmenser, September 27, 2011 at 9:56 am Link to this comment

Will the United States of Israel finally stand up and be recognized.

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By Robert, September 27, 2011 at 9:45 am Link to this comment

Questioning Ashrawi on Palestinian U.N. Bid: Will You Go to the General Assembly? Is this a PA Ploy?

Posted on September 25, 2011


“Big story this week was the Palestinian U.N. bid. Palestinian negotiator Hanan Ashrawi was on ABC’s “This Week” and Christiane Amanpour of questioning revolved around when the Palestinian delegation would resume talks with the Israelis that have gone on for decades.

I asked the opposite question: What are they going to do to make the U.N. state membership bid real instead of relying on more “negotiations”? Are they going to let the bid get bogged down in the Security Council, where the U.S. wields a veto or are they — as noted international lawyers have recommended — move it in short order to the General Assembly, where an overwhelming majority of countries favor Palestinian state membership?

South Sudan recently went from application for U.N. state membership to admission in three days. It has been reported that the Palestinian delegation has given the Security Council two weeks to act. Professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign Francis Boyle has said that U.N. state membership could be obtained within three weeks.”

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Click on link for video & details:


http://www.washingtonstakeout.com/index.php/2011/09/25/questioning-ashrawi
-on-palestinian-u-n-bid—will-you-go-to-the-general-assembly-is-this-a-pa-ploy/

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By MeHere, September 27, 2011 at 8:43 am Link to this comment

Thank you, JewishActivist.

The biggest tragedy here is that out of those 308 million Americans you mention
very few have ever cared about the situation you describe.  You would think that
in the famous land of democracy, free speech, advanced communications, and
exposure to the world through education, travel and wars, more people in the US
would have developed a sensible approach by now.  Obama, like past and quite
possibly future leaders, is the result of a culture that is impaired to see the
obvious.

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By balkas, September 27, 2011 at 8:28 am Link to this comment

to make it clearer ab. the situation we have been in for the last 8k yrs in
mesopotamia/egypt and, say, 2k yrs in europe [for 3.5 yrs in greece], or for
the last 200yrs among the n.american indigenes, in all analyses of events we
must include the roles of god and the devil.

but even saying that devil exists apart from god or vice versa, may represent a
fiction as it may be one entity, but with two facets [or faces; in case the entity
may actually be an animal]

ok, the living entity may be even faceless, but because people are taught to
believe in human form of this presumed entity, i also give it a face.

because i do not evaluate that there is god and the devil [both being invention
of the same goddevilish people, i call this invisible entity “goddevil”.

thus, what the sacerdotal class, aided by plutocrats, is selling us, is actually
devilgod and not devil and the god as people think.

and we all are part of this entity. and we all can speak for it or interpret it and
not just the evilest people on earth: priests, ulema, rabbinate, gurus, monks,
sybarites.

and being part of it, we definitely can choose to do less evil and more good or-
- as the case most likely wld be- continue to do ever more evil and less good.

so juan, to me, is incorrect, if he thinks, that the evil [in u.s and elsewhere] wld
soon stop if people [in u.s 99%] think as they always had to date.
actually, i expect even worsenings for billions of the planetarians. tnx

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By balkas, September 27, 2011 at 7:48 am Link to this comment

the west and the east [communist parts of europe] did not help ashkenazim
[an admixure of mostly european peoples, but with mosheic cult] to obtain
whole of palestine [by illegal immigration, warfare, terror, expulsion of ab.
800k pals in ‘48] in order to now make much of an effort to annul the result
of such help or divide israel as it exist now.

and i am not sure that princes, amirs, ulema in saudi arabia [or emirates]
wld not go thru what disobedient libyans have gone thru if they’d move even
a finger to help pals get their state.

it is much like kosovo and bosnia: both appear indivisible in any degree.
there won’t be, i expect, an independent quebec, tibet, uighur, turkestan,
punjab, catalonia, chechnya, assam, hawaii, et al.

not via wars, that’s very clear! and not via DN [disunited nations, now nearly
all quite fascist, corrupt, unjust, etc.]
fascism is here to stay for a long time; possibly forever or until a comet
strikes us all dead. tnx

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By traynorjf, September 27, 2011 at 7:18 am Link to this comment

Juan Cole’s article has the power of a mathematical proof. Machiavelli would approve.

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By Wishingforsanity, September 27, 2011 at 6:27 am Link to this comment

Juan, Amen my brother, Amen!  (I’m an Atheist by the way,Jewish by upbringing) so
maybe I should say, “I’m sick of mthrf’in US Pres. playing pussyfoot with Israelii killers,
so RIGHT ON, my brother, right on! Close the Concentration Camp that is Palestine, run
by the Neo-Nazis that is Israel and without one more day of this insanity going on. (Oh
yeah, I did, I called the Israeli gov’t Neo-Nazi’s, without compunction)

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By John Poole, September 27, 2011 at 6:08 am Link to this comment
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I’m bothered by Cole’s implied stance that the US should do everything it can to
make Iran look bad and keep it as an adversary.  Give nukes to Iran! That would
certainly change the toxic social dynamics of the Middle East favorably. If you are
convinced that Iran would start a nuclear war with Israel you have no place in this
forum. We should have an embassy in Iran not secret CIA forces hoping for
“regime” change. It seems we’ve brought only death and destruction to the area.

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By David J. Cyr, September 27, 2011 at 5:49 am Link to this comment

QUOTE, Juan Cole:

“Empires are always constructed out of a combination of coercion and loyalty, and post-colonial historians often would prefer not to remember the loyalty of compradors and collaborators. But arguably it is the desertion of the latter that contributes most decisively to imperial collapse.”
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At this time, there’s no evidence that the corporate collaborating (R) & (D) voters are deserting the coercive empire they’ve in firm solidarity together been free-will loyal to.

Israel does what America wants it to do.

Obama does what he does because he’s a Democrat.

The Jewish state’s fascism is so sustainable because it used the liberal American model, not the German.

The dementia of Democrat voters is that they believe that good can only come from their (D)evils. That’s why they are always confused when they get the evil shit they voted for.

http://www.chenangogreens.org

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By Lisa, September 27, 2011 at 4:55 am Link to this comment
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I applaud Juan and JewishActivist for your words of wisdom…you have both stated what i very much wished to convey.

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By thecrow, September 27, 2011 at 4:41 am Link to this comment

“Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today—my own government.”

- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/dropping-a-dime/

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By SoTexGuy, September 27, 2011 at 4:34 am Link to this comment

For a moment my eyes were seeing the first sentence thusly;  “The United States, CASTRATED by its (fealty to Israel and Netanyahu).. That passed.

Now, about the US being still the source of 20% of the worlds economy.. how much of that is banking and finance? .. and how do banking and finance profits feed and clothe and house average people?

Adios!

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By JewishActivist, September 27, 2011 at 4:29 am Link to this comment

There should be no ambiguity regarding the
relationship between America and Israel and the
factual position that favors the state of Israel and
disadvantages the electorate of the United States.

Barack Obama was elected to represent 308 million
Americans not 5 million Israelis!

Why has Obama acted in this manner which turns every
democratic principle on its head?  The answer is the
way in which an unelected, minority pressure group
acting in the interests of a foreign power, is
allowed to influence US foreign policy in a totally
disproportionate manner.

It is a tragedy for both America and for democracy -
and for world peace.  Successive US governments have
colluded in allowing Israel to now become the 4th
most powerful nuclear weapons state in the world and one that
is now beyond the control of either the US or of the
IAEA which is denied any inspection or control. 
This is probably the greatest political error of the
past 100 years. The US is responsible for this danger
and the world is becoming aware of the potential
tragedy that will inevitably engulf the Middle East with unimaginable consequences for Europe and America.

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