Go Right Young Man, November 23 at 12:22 pm #

It’s much simpler, and a great deal more honest, to simply admit when you’re wrong.

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Check this out, sparky!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/31/new-poll-less-than-half-o_n_248470.html

I await your admission that you are wrong (again).

As for the Tina Fey “verbatim” routine: No matter how you try to Fox-spin it, I only ever was referring to her spoof on the Couric interview. Period.  There’s nothing you can twist, turn, bend or fake to change that.

If by pilgrim you mean I am journeying to some sacred place of extreme left,
you are wrong ThomasG.  I have always been a lukewarm liberal keeping a
steadiness of mind under stress instead of being a caustic reactionary.  While
you are in that extreme mental location, I don’t mind it that I agree with you
now and then and this time, that if the left and liberals don’t make sure Palin is
“known and recognized” for what she is, they are doomed to suffer her
populism.  It is up to the guides of humanity to keep the rabble on high octane. 
A very interesting commentary was posted on the Lipstick on a Rogue forum by
tdbach that I think gives the most luminous description given so far.  If only
there were more minds like that about and who act on their illumination, then
the mass migration of the general public would be safe in their callow
participation in life.  It isn’t a matter of holding ones’ hands over one’s head.

My journey is always on a straight path, left of center.

And now for Intermission!

For this “innocent” bystander, please say where the “13% TOPS” statistic comes
from.  Is that of all people polled, which are whom, or just Republicans polled and
by whom? 

Yeah the 50% is not substantiated either.  So are you two just exhibiting your
braggadocio?  Or do you have any substance to your boasting?  And to what
importance are these percentages anyway?  Can they be translated into real
numbers? 

ThomasG, I am just getting back from some preoccupation called life in the real
world and have a response to your last post directed at me, but it has to be a bit
later.

Inherit The Wind, - “When the “birther” movement was in full swing a few months ago, ALL polls showed the well over 50% of Republicans bought into.”

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13% TOPS. Dishonesty will not further your agenda.  Or, conversely, check your facts before you post. Either way you appear foolish.

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You did, in fact, begin an attempt to claim that Fey quoted Palin “VERBATIM” (post below). 

It’s much simpler, and a great deal more honest, to simply admit when you’re wrong.

“Capitulation” you say?

Sorry, pal, getting facts straight isn’t capitulation—like your 13% of Conservatives believe….is nonsense.  When the “birther” movement was in full swing a few months ago, ALL polls showed the well over 50% of Republicans bought into.  Tell me, did YOU buy into it (and now feel foolish)?  Were you one of the ones saying “Let Obama produce his REAL birth certificate” and other silliness?

Sarah Palin has shown a combination of meanness and ignorance that are funny until someone holds real power.

Ahh Wow!  A fanatics fanatic, most interesting. Revelations like this usually only come on Fox News, which I watch 24/7/24/7, 70 percent of the time!

Shenonymous, November 21 at 10:40 am,

You are sounding less like an equivocating fence sitter and that is a good thing.

As you can probably tell, I am deeply concerned about what you and others think,———— NOT!!!

Although, I don’t give a rat’s ass what you and your friends think, I do care about the level of awareness of the Common Population and whether or not the 70% MAJORITY Common Population is represented in the U.S. Government and both houses of Congress, and to the extent that you get off the fence and support this agenda, I will support you; to the extent that you do not, what you and your friends think is irrelevant to me.

I am not blogging to win friends, my interest is political awareness and representation that is forthright, NOT equivocating, lukewarm fence sitting that serves emotional and social needs, rather than political necessity.

If Palin’s book starts showing up in my dumpsters, I will find a new profession, been thinking about becoming a brain surgeon, just from reading posts here, seems many people need lots of work done in that department.

Go Right Young Man, November 21 at 12:00 pm:
’... Right-wing populism scares the left….’

I suppose it should, given 20th-century European history.

Inherit The Wind,

People certainly do tend to lean toward what’s comfortable for them. At the same time it’s intriguing to consider that over 70% of progressives believe the “Russia from my porch” misquote while only 13% of conservatives believe President Obama is not an American.

On the unhinged and hypocritical hatred the left display toward someone, anyone, like Ms. Palin

Right-wing populism scares the left since grassroots movements are supposed to reflect democracy and the instant expression of popular will. And that is supposed to be good all the time. Yet average Joes listen to Rush Limbaugh in their cars, not Air America, and watch Bill O’Reilly, not MSNBC, and for the first time in history a single individual holds five best selling books on the New York Times list (Glenn Beck) and progressives can’t stand it.

Barack Obama was supposed to be a populist phenomenon, by virtue of being an African-American organizer, and we were to like him for his supposed ease with hoi polloi. But we surely cannot be consistent, and extend that notion of authenticity to a Christian, moose-hunter from the snow-bound, wacko far north who talks like the clerk at Wal-Mart — and draws crowds as large as Obama’s.

And while progressives LOVE to point out foibles from the right it’s almost always ignored that candidate Obama once bragged on his having visited each of America’s 57 states. I personally can’t recall Ms. Palin saying anything quiet that, well, off the mark?.

Yes, people do lean toward what’s comfortable for them

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I will be more careful when reading posts here. The problem was honestly not my public education but rather, during our conversations over the last week, I’ve been traveling and reading and posting from a blackberry. I completely missed your capitulation over the Fey skit.  Again my apologies.

If you were not so completely off the map ThomasG you would have seen that
both KDelphi and I have been on the left side of the dividing line, she much
more to the left that I, but we have been consistent for years.  What you think is
really not important, I believe to either of us. 

Everybody who has a thinking brain thinks they know what Palin is up to.  I
think she has cooked her goose.  She struts like a turkey that doesn’t know it’s
time has come.  But pissing off everybody and their mother in her comic
tabloid book that some groups are just giving away (which won’t put any money
into her stocking), and after awhile I am convinced it will be on the used books
of amazon dot come for one cent, or lining that trash dumpster Leefeller
checks out now and then.  I believe the grayheads of the Grand Old Party are
going to take care of her themselves.  She eclipsed Glenn Beck and Rush
Limbaugh, and I bet they just loved it.  But that ought not to mean Democrats,
and otherwise leftists, ought to depend on the GOP to be an instrument of her
deserved doom. 

That is always the problem with Democrats is that they can’t see beyond the
end of their front yard.  They want to be the party of the people but don’t have
any real convictions.  They keep pulling up on their sagging jock straps. They
ought to get rid of the BlueDog Democrats with marbles for brains and replace
them with Liberal Democrats.  They don’t know how to get the people
galvanized, but then neither do the socialists!

Go Right Young Man, November 21 at 2:05 am #

I missed you agreeing that Fey’s words had been attributed to Palin. I deeply apologies.
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Accepted.  Please try to read what people say before you attack. Tina Fey’s humor was an exaggeration of what Palin actually said in the Gibson interview—but most humor is exaggeration.

Americans believe what they want.  Liberals believe Palin said “I can see Russia…”. Conservatives believe Obama wasn’t born in America and isn’t an American citizen.  Others here believe Israel is acting as puppet-master of our American government.  You believe that 8 years of Bush’s policies didn’t lead us to the financial mess we are in, but 10 months of Obama did.

It is comforting to believe such crap. We all do it. I try to purge myself of it when I can.

Shenonymous, November 20 at 8:25 pm, and KDelphi, November 20 at 7:37 pm,

Shenonymous said:  “Is it the liberals who are focusing on Palin, or is it the media forcing the world to focus on Palin?”

KDelphi said: “If “liberals”  keep foscusing on Palin and the like, we’ll all be living in dumpsters..

ThomasG’s answer:  Them’s mighty enlightened and strong words in your posts, pilgrims.

Have you fallen off of the fence and are you trying to adopt a position that is more than lukewarm in support of the Left and liberals?

BTW, Sarah Palin is trying to take Ronald Wilson Reagan’s mantle as the leader of America’s “blockheads and dummies” against their best interest, as George H.W. Bush told Mikhail Gorbachev, that was reported September 2009 by The Nation magazine; if Sarah Palin can cloak herself in Reagan’s mantle and get a complicit Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber to trumpet her cause, as did Reagan; Palin has a shot, if the Left and Liberals do not make certain that Sarah Palin is known and recognized for what she is,——one more demagogue trying to lead the “blockheads and dummies” against their best interest for political advantage for the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, against the best interests of the Left and Liberals. 

Is your journey veering to the Left, or what?

Inherit The Wind,

I missed you agreeing that Fey’s words had been attributed to Palin. I deeply apologies.

Go Right Young Man, November 20 at 9:39 am #

I hate to be so abrasive, however, either put up or shut up.
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Are you a complete moron?  What part of
“1) I agreed and AGREE SP never said “I can see Russia…”—that was Tina Fey in an SNL skit about the VP debate with Biden.”
do you not understand?

Yeah, I agree it’s a “waist” of time.

I think there are some now who could make seasonal apartments out of a
dumpster, meaning vacating on trash collection day, then moving back in
afterwards.  And soon as the next trash collection has taken place, there might
be lucrative reason to dig in the trash.  But don’t get your hopes up too much
Leefeller.  Men don’t throw their blow up dolls out very often.  But with the
unbelievably huge campaign by the pharmaceuticals to get men to have
erections (and of course the drugs being the holy grail for the guys who have
had chronic problems, which seems to be in the double digit millions! and
which could really just be mother nature’s way of controlling population) blow
up dolls might just be ways to unleash when guys are still not found attractive
to flesh and blood women (or other men, depending on whether they are gay or
straight).  Nobody said dolls have to be femme. 

Is it the liberals who are focusing on Palin, or is it the media forcing the world
to focus on Palin?  The media are so desperate to have news 24/7 that they
gush over the most innocuous events.  KDelphi is probably right about 2012,
but I don’t think anyone will even be saying “Sarah who?”  A flash in the pan is
just that.  Democrats ought to be putting all their attention on glamorizing
their own stables by passing legislation that makes the general population feel
like they are cared about.

If “liberals”  keep foscusing on Palin and the like, we’ll all be living in dumpsters..

If you are an Obama fan, you should be praying that the GOP will “show Sarah some respect”.

That is how Obama will win again..by Fux News convincing the GOP to put up someone totally ridiculous.

I have nothing against state educated rural governors, Id like to see one in the presidency in our lifetime, but Palin is a strange female Bush..Palin is stupid like Dubya, who knew exactly how to pull at those country fiddle strings of Merkins hearts, bought two elections and gave neo-cons everything their heart’s desired.

If the Democrats, with majorities in the presidency and both Houses of Congress, and, all they do is escalate bush wars and prop up Wall St, people will not bother to vote.

But I stll think that , in 2012, you will all be saying, “Sarah who”??? I could be wrong…

Ever since my discovery of a rubber blow up doll wearing a hooters outfit in the dumpster behind the Republican headquarters, I have been hooked ever since Anarcissie!

I don’t know what USA you live in but fascism is the merger of business/state/church similar to what we found in Europe in the 1930’s but in other places since then. It is relevant here too. We have seen it in operation beginning in 1980 and we still see its continuing effects now. They don’t have full control but they have too much control and it needs to be stopped now before we lose the Republic. It is hardly my opinion.

Still rummaging in the dumpster, Leefeller\

Universal opinion sounds nice, my universal opinion is what everyone else agrees with! Most of the time when one gives plain old dusty opinion, placing universal in front really knocks it up a few knotches!

Yeh!  Sort of like if I say this about Fox news, Fox News gives the universal news and the majority of the people in the world agree with it, because this is my universal opinion.

Me myself and I now have universal opinion! Knotch, Knotch!
Inflation now has a new meaning.

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What is Fascism?

FASCISM is Corporate Governance with the counterfeit face of God.

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Night-Guant - “Fascism these days is right wing—-sometimes called a corporatocracy.”

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That is not a universal understanding of fascism. That is clearly your opinion. An opinion that is not shared by anything close to the majority of Americans as a whole. Only the majority of Leftists in America. Which is, by the way, the minority.

Inherit The Wind,

This is downright ludicrous and beginning to be a waist of my time. Either Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch or she dd not. It’s that simple.

Now show us all in your next post exactly how you were referring to Tina Fey quoting Palin VERBATIM in the SNL Katie Couric interview. Show us all when and where Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch.

I hate to be so abrasive, however, either put up or shut up.

I think, BR549, you are close to the truth.  But here is what I’ve discovered: 
when you said “ANY type of government could conceivably be humanitarian
and perpetual, even though, ?so far, greed, corruption, and deceit seem to just
creep out of every politician’s veins and eventually condemn every form of
government to an early grave,” this is a condition of most every society since
humankind first formed societies.  There may have been completely altruistic
communities where strife had been eliminated and they lived in peace, but they
are far and few between.  As a society they never got the press, from ancient
times to now.  Archaeologists have had to pull that information out of digging
deep.  And eventually these tribes were decimated by marauders.  This
aggressive behavior has not left any civilization untainted, in every ethnic race.

Then again you say, “we can’t seem to get our collective heads out of our
asses to elect someone with any degree of integrity.”  Again, I think you are
right, well figuratively speaking, but politicians, every single one of them, even
that wonderful Representative from Florida, Alan Grayson, have the affliction
called political malaise, i.e., corruption and we have know about that disease of
politicians since recorded history.  The Romans are famous for it, but so were
the royal houses of Assyria, Babylon, Egypt, later in Greece, all the way up to
today.  It is a human condition.

It is the case that there is “no form of government that will fairly serve a
stupid and dumbed down population.”  That too is a human condition when
the population on the whole are not educated to think for themselves.  To
educate them to be able to make informed decisions is the herculean struggle
of those in education.  It is a monstrous task.  Some countries even in the 21st
century will not educate their people because as that god in the garden knew,
if you educate them, the rabble will revolt.  As the story goes, it was not for
nothing the biblical man/women were prohibited from the tree of knowledge.

While you humorously characterize the Republicans and the Democrats (though
it isn’t really funny) those who elected Bush, twice, were more than just the
midwesterners and it was also the Supreme Court.  Twice.

Your analysis of the 2004 and 2008 elections, does show that if people are
informed, the dummies will vote more in the public’s favor rather than
corportocracrats. Those not informed (yes the lack of real news is a huge
problem) will vote conservative.  Not Republican so much, but to preserve what
they think they have.  It is well known that as people age they become more
conservative, even Democrats!

Yes, people are “sheeple” and yes politicians do spoonfeed them crap about
not just terrorism but everything.  That is a chronic condition again since
mankind formed societies.  I don’t agree that the public are the terrorists.  I
think they are just plain ignorant. I watched some of the people interviewed at
the Palin booksignings and the reasons given why they were there, by the
hundreds mind you, thousands, and these ordinary people have their provincial
reasons.  She ‘seems’ ordinary.  It is a good politician’s trick.  It is ancient.

You do remember that they blocked the impeachment of both those men don’t you Go Right Young Man? What does that make them? By-the-way socialism can and does function in the full spectrum of political systems so it isn’t automatically “liberal” at all.

Unlike the hakencrutze/swastika the fascese is still an honored symbol both here and in France. It was originally represented democracy. Note its multiple thin rods support the thin rod that holds the ax head. You will find it in the arms of France and in our Congress—-large ones at that. Ironic no?

Fascism these days is right wing—-sometimes called a corporatocracy. Where the state and corporation meld and help each other over the people. The Nazis were the same way however in Russia and China it was the party that owned the means of production and the elites in those parties who got the wealth—-not the workers. Promises never kept.

GRYM:

I didn’t change ANYTHING I posted.  The fact that you don’t know how to parse what you are reading is your failing, not mine.

I STILL insist that Tina Fey’s most BRILLIANT routine was quoting Palin VERBATIM in the SNL Katie Couric interview.  That’s what I’ve said all along.  Please take a reading comprehension course.

But…it goes along with the rest of your “history”.  Hitler destroyed the more socialist wing of the NSDAP, purging the Strassers and later Roehm.  He also murdered tens of thousands of Communists and Socialists.

Mussolini had been a Marxist Socialist and ABANDONED it with his Roman-symbol inspired Fascists (from Fasces—the symbol he used was Roman).

I’m just plain tired of the right-wing bullshit lies that started with the Willie Horton ad (BTW, Ronald Reagan, as Governor, freed a man on work release who then murdered someone…his own “Willie Horton”.)

See what I mean, folks? It’s IMPOSSIBLE to work with most Republicans today. The Dems in both houses should just stop, use their super-majority power and just CHANGE THE RULES to stop their deliberate obstructionism—that they hated so much in Democrats…And brought us Alito and Roberts.

ThomasG,

I’m sorry but you sincerely do not understand what your talking about on this issue. May I suggest you read Mein Kampf?  And, if you like, I can direct you toward multiples of dozens of sources and sundry reading materials.

Do I guess correctly that you are shocked and appalled to learn that you hold a strong affinity for the ideology of Adolf Hitler?

We should be showing EVERY soldier coming home in a box on TV, if for no
other reason than to help the families with closure and giving those soldiers the
recognition they deserve. I almost agree with you BR549.  I think the reason is
to show the Americans the price of war, not in money (of which we all are feeling
the repercussions),  but to show the price in human beings. 

For the first part of your post, I think it is overreaching to try to pull the weeze in
to your perspective.  (The weeze is the plural of we)  I decline to join you in your
capitulation to whatever “ruling body shows wisdom, etc.,” might be in charge. 
The melange of alternatives of forms of government just ain’t m’cup o’tea.  Sounds
to me like a lot of sloganisms in your comments.  No disrespect intended.

GRYM, Nov.19 at 9:26pm,

Hitler and Mussolini were not Socialists, both were Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS, more like Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMISTS of the Republican Party.

Hitler’s political party was The National Socialist Party, but the name was a misnomer, Adolph Hitler was in no way a socialist.  Hitler was a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST that was a Nationalist.  How on earth could you conclude that Hitler was a socialist?  The very concept that Hitler was in any way connected with Socialism is ludicrous.

MarthaA—Please stop humiliating socialism by pretending that people like Sarah Palin are socialists just because Elizabeth Warren said that the bailout had been socialisym for the rich.. ???? You just get stuck on these ideas…GRYM—I am a Socialist and more are becoming so every day. Except in the south, of course.

GRYM—what is a “nationalist socialist”? (I thought it would be a National Socialist, but maybe not))Why would they have fought with a self-proclaimed “socialist” (which he was not)—Stalin?

This melding of socialfascism is the mark of a true ideologue.

A bit retarded one says, I will be polite!

Percentages mean so much, especially when they are hand picked and selected to support ones argument, when reality of the numbers becomes suspect if they do not jive with ones personal reality or fantasy , but what the heck they are just numbers.

Since I like some things and do not like some others, lets put the high numbers on what I like and the low numbers on what I do not like. Works for me!

Guess we are waiting for the sounds of buckets falling, sort of like the Moose bellowing in the woods thing. Sarah may become only a glimmer in me eye or is that just more chaff?

ThomasG,

I’m sorry but your knowledge of history is sorely lacking.  Hitler and Mussolini were active and boisterous nationalists socialists.  A great deal more like today’s “progressive” than anything akin to what you believe to be today’s American conservative.

I’m betting you’re a young man with little understanding of current and historic global events?

Leefeller, Nov.19 at 7:56pm,

Leefeller said:  “Socialism with Sarah Palin, may mean the witch doctor is in town or a house has fallen on her and the muchkins do not know wheather to cry or rejoice?”

ThomasG’s answer:  What is it you are talking about with regard to Sarah Palin and Socialism?  Sarah Palin is a Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican, the same as Hitler and Mussolini, to equate Sarah Palin with Socialism seems a bit on the retarded side.

ThomasG,

It pleases me tremendously to know that your positions are so far left that 97% of Americans wouldn’t recognize you as American (assuming you are).

It pleases me to know that the majority in America lean Right of Center.

It pleases and comforts me to know that a full 97% of Americans believe very passionately in the capitalist system.

I am pleased beyond all description knowing full well that it’s you who holds the extremist position here in the United States.

Wholly crap!

A blind eye is the only way this accused Right Wing Republican can stand to look at Sarha Palin, (She seems to always be staring at me)  from her books cover to her pictures everywhere even here on TD, how about the glaringly missing pom poms on the Newsweek Cover picture!

Most fortunate are those very hard of hearing folks, seems almost like winning the lotto,  beatifically lucky has a new meaning, especially soon as she starts speaking and the finger nails start scraping on the chalk board.

Socialism with Sarah Palin, may mean the witch doctor is in town or a house has fallen on her and the muchkins do not know wheather to cry or rejoice?

I smell Republican input here..All these comments have gotten away from the subject of the article by Gene Robinson, that being Sarah!! Sarah!! Sarah!! Off on a tangent to confuse. Don’t comment on the subject-redirect it toward what they feel more comfortable talking about. Spin-you know that process in the brain of a republican which they feel are new ideas? Using all the titles and intense vocabulary. All talk—-no substance. Their feeling is that all people who don’t believe like they do are ignorant. I admit to my ignorance, but also to the fact that many of my ignorant comrades majoritized our thoughts with substance and elected people who do have thought and direction. The subject of this article, Sarah Palin, talks and talks and talks the talk, but only wants others to walk the walk. Just the problem with republican spin. no substance.

Proclamations from the king or ones self, do not make them true! Experts on socialism self proclaimed as they are, seem a tad suspicious.

If one was to say Palin was a socialist, they would be stretching the truth, but that would also be true for the word intellegent.

GRYM—really..cause I have had it happen alot, and not just on this site…

I think David Frum (bad as I dislike him) said it well on cnn: “This is a woman who has got into a position of leadership by sending very powerful sexual signals,” Frum told reporter Judy Woodruff.  “And we see that in the way that men like her much more than women do.”

“There is a thinness of skin, and an anger, and a vindictiveness that is very dangerous,” Frum said.

I dont know if Frum means it or is playing political games (because he knows she cant win the presidency) , but complaining about sexism when you ran on it is just a joke. Palin IS sex on a stick to alot of red state guys and you might as well admit it. (You could also say that Obama is the same to some diehard Dems)

I mean, look at that pic of her again..and again..as you probably do. You cant run in beauty pageants and then claim sexism. My mom used to try to do that with her crown hanging on the dresser…it comes off very wierd….

Go Right Young Man, Nov.19 at 6:00pm,

You must be talking about some alternate reality that exists in your subjective delusions; Pelosi and Reid were, are and will continue to be cooperators with the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican Party that enabled the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican Party Agenda and Movement.

Night-Gaunt,

Reid and Pelosi are far from being “right wing”. In fact Nancy Pelosi was, until becoming Speaker, a self proclaimed socialist.

The two are not protecting Bush and Co. They’re protecting themselves.

BR549, you missed the right wing lunatics that have infiltrated the Democratic party too like Reid & Pelosi who protected the Bush/Cheney Axis of Evil from war crimes violations as well as impeachable offenses. We have been compromised.

My undermining Obama is showing great success ever since I have been dangling teabags from each ear.

Deluded it seems, reality in Mertha A world seemingly takes a back seat or is it really a lack of comprehension Mertha A,  constantly calling others on what really seems a personal problem, or is it just a tactic?

Comprehension can be a wonderful thing, if one is inclined or even capable.

As an outside, “objective” observer, how is it concluded that Leefeller’s comments
in any way undermines Obama?  Please point to the sentences where that has
occurred.  There seems to be a lack of ability to apprehend what is said,
particularly with Leefeller’s usual comical figurative speech.  His form of old time
Will Rogers in a homily vein of humor does go over the heads of those imbued
morbidly with their own arcane ideology I imagine.  To help your psyche, I direct
you to the bibliography at
http://www.compedit.com/checklisthumor.htm
Personally I like Kurt Vonnegut who was much more brutal than Leefeller, who
shows to be more a gentle man.

Leefeller, Nov.19 at 12:17pm,

Still trying to undermine President Obama with sophist propaganda, are you?  What is your objective evidence that President Obama lied about anything? All you sophists propagandists elaborate on subjective crap expecting people to accept what you say as objective evidence, when it is nothing more than crap.

“Nobody here has explained why Obama felt the need to lie about his relationship with Ayers and Dorn. Care to field that one too?”

Kicking off instead of fielding here! Obama has a much longer relationship with Ayers, then is well supposed.

When Obama was 3 years old Ayers would read bomb making manuals to Obama over the telephone, because Obama had trouble sleeping when younger, for he was ambitiously planning to become president, even then,  all presidents have had mentors, not just Obama. For instance Ronald Ragain, had a Chimpanzee, though later on they had a falling out over who was the brightest light in the room!

By the way, how did we get onto Obama and his drinking coffee with Ayres story again?  Why not, Birthers, Ayres, God damn America and of course the grand daddy of all, Obama is only half black or half white? The perpetually stuck in the craw topic of self proclaimed enlightened ones. Now one can insert teabags for a disgustingly overly stuffed craw,  doctors are warning, over stuffed craws can lead to additional delusions! 

Accepting reality seems assuming when one is handed their arse in a hand basket.

Back to the winking Imbecile please!

When I was in town the other day, Palins book was every where I went, it was like her book was chasing me.  The price of the book was dropping like a Republican Senators brain at a convention.  One store they were even paying people $3.00 to take Palin’s books out of the store, now I heard the same store is doing a recall, because they don’t want people to feel insulted and hold a gruge!  Since I went to Starbucks, hope they don’t not want their money back?

ITW, - “When Tina Fey did her imitation of Palin in the Katie Couric interview she DID recite Palin’s remarks to Couric VERBATIM.”

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Well, what can I say? That is not what you originally wrote. It’s not what you were responding to. There was no reference to the Couric interview in your first response to what I wrote.

My post: It’s interesting that, when polled, almost 70% of democrats believe Sarah Palin claimed to be able to see Russia from her back yard.

Your post: Tina Fey’s GREATEST impersonation was when she repeated Palin’s answers VERBATIM on SNL.

I’m sorry but, your screwed the pooch on this one.

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Leefeller is right. I was wrong. It was the “front porch” comment from Tina Fey that has been attributed to Palin.

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Bill Ayers:  According to the New York Times two attendees of the “coffee” in the home of Bill Ayers, an event held to kick off the senatorial campaign of Mr. Obama, have confirmed the event. All others have refused comment.

I have seen no denials concerning the event in the Ayers home. I think you missed the mark on this one also but, I would be glad to see any verifiable information to the contrary.

Nobody here has explained why Obama felt the need to lie about his relationship with Ayers and Dorn. Care to field that one too?

“Her success to date represents a triumph of authenticity over accomplishment.”

Authentic?!  Ya’ gotta be kidding.  She’s about as authentic as a Disney greeter.

For those who like Sarah Palin-it is your right-she has some likeable points about her.
For those who can’t take this person (I admit I lean this way)she continues to fuel this fire for dislike.

I feel that she, and a parallel life named Carrie Prejean, have like traits. They outwardly present an image of strength forged by having been wronged by others unlike themselves since any wrong they might have done is acceptable because of naivete. Latest example from Palin comes from Newsweek cover. My personal thought, when seen, was of an aging woman who takes very good care of herself. Nothing in the nature of sexist as she responds. “If I would have known this would appear on Newsweek, I would never have allowed Runners World to do this.” Carrie Prejean says that due to her age she is allowed to make mistakes like sex tapes and many photos in all states of undress, certainly she didn’t know what was happening. Is this the same response she would give for the young lady that was raped by Polanski? Where were the parents that allowed her to do this? Abortion is wrong she says, but aren’t mistakes then allowed to be forgiven? Ladies, get off the soap box and just live your lives in a quieter and non-judgemental fashion of others.
I hope Levi (as in Johnson) just blabs all. There will be truth and there will be fiction and there will be banter back and forth. I hope so much so that we get tired, no irate, at the sound of their voices.They can be “rock star type” celebrities if people want them, nothing wrong there (at least for someone else). For me, I hope they all disappear and I certainly don’t want any of them making decisions for me or my country.

Where does everyone get this crap, come on folks, wake up!  It was from her front porch! Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch! I know this as fact for this is were Palin skins and guts her hunting trophies and conceives her children at the same time!

Now that I think of it, Britney Spears cannot hold a candle to Palin when it comes to important stuff like this!

GRYM:
You twisted EVERYTHING up I posted. 
1) I agreed and AGREE SP never said “I can see Russia…”—that was Tina Fey in an SNL skit about the VP debate with Biden.

2) What Palin DID say was in her interview with Charles Gibson—which was nearly as absurd as Fey’s exaggeration.  I quoted it below—your sweetheart’s actual imbecilic words.

3) When Tina Fey did her imitation of Palin in the Katie Couric interview she DID recite Palin’s remarks to Couric VERBATIM.

So…can you SOMEHOW keep this straight—the “VERBATIM” part was the Couric interview.

The “I can see Russia” part was an SNL exaggeration, and NOT Palin’s real words.

Palin DID do an interview with Charles Gibson where she claimed the proximity of Russia to Alaska gave her insights.

Bonus: The claim Obama started his campaign on Ayres’ kitchen table has been denied by EVERYONE who was SUPPOSED to be at that meeting…never happened.  Just another Swift-Boater piece-of-shit lie that they are so good at.  Naturally a ditto-head like you believes it!

If one is to compare Palin to something or someone, for something, it may be prudent to compare Palin to the rock of Gibraltar, for her strong mental outcroppings and a constant ability to smash the English language into a bloody pulp.

When, Comparing Palin to someone, I would prefer comparing her to Britney Spears a better known celebrity of questionable repute, in fact I prefer Britney Spears, for I had personal acquaintance with someone who had the last name of Spears when I was in Vietnam, so my connection is very personal and I have never known anyone named Palin. 

If Palin is going to run for President, maybe she could tell us in advance, that she will only keep the job as president for two years, because she has bigger fish to fry?

If Palin is going to run for president, she should run with Joe the Plumber, for his profoundness exceeds hers, only in how he procured celebrity status, plus his abilities as a plumber with stomach wrenching comments,  this ticket would provide one with two barf bags for the price of one!

It’s a good thing Evita is dead, otherwise, she’d die or a heart attack - or worse - if she heard of that dumb slot being compared to her

hello again. i am amazed by the outlandish fear of the progressives that this woman has a chance at reversing the chosen one’s agenda. women never vote for sex appeal. and petty arguments putting words in other peoples’ mouths. Mrs. Palin is very public; as pointed out: has quite a journey to fill Mrs. Peron’s shoes, and continues to attract free publicity. what do any of you know about her platform? what makes you think our democratic republic is any different today than when Mr. Ayers was in high school? are you all venting your shallow specialness? i am not an EXTREMIST, but it would not bother me to see her on a ticket with Ron Paul Haymaker. this animosity only illustrates defeatism.

If one is to conclude the usefulness of the Martyr
complex, Palin is a good example as her followers, for
they seem to strive for the position.

If Palin’s books sales exceed her fondest dreams and
help her obtain the American dream most opportunists
strive for and Palin becomes rich in her own mind, maybe
she will become humble enough to read one?

Now for some sexism! It used to be dumb blond jokes were
the sexist jokes of choice in political incorrectness,
now we are finding Palin jokes have taken their place.

Actually Go Right Young Man a bigot not only has prejudices but acts on them to stop others from having the same rights as they do. (Check out womens’ rights, rights of all others not white, heterosexual, wealthy and male. Whose side are you on in this matter? Everyones or just the Republicans?) No one is stopping you in any way no matter how prejudiced you are. So choose another word and look it up to make sure you are using it properly. I do.

Yes pick examples and show us who is prejudiced here. C & P is easy so there is no excuse. Don’t just claim back it up.

To do, GRYM, exactly as Anarcissie suggests…pass on to something more
challenging.

Shenonymous, - “and you will provide proof of your conceited claims about me?”

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Absolutely.

Most bigots fail to recognize their intolerance. I can only refer you back to your writings in this very thread.

I have seen you regularly do to others what you have with me this very day. You obstinately and intolerantly attempt to lambaste me merely for holding a different point of view. You make it clear that you hold anyone like myself with great disdain. And why? Because they fail to think as you do. It’s just that simple.

You are a clear and glaring example of the very definition of a bigot.

Questions: What purpose does it serve for you when you speak with derision toward another simply for holding a different point of view? Are you assisting in dialog? Clearly no. Are you helping others in understanding your view? No again. Are you “tolerantly” and patiently listening to all points of view? I think not.

What exactly are your intentions?

Hate, bigotry, sexism or outright nastiness? Which is it?

Hate is all encompassing, sexism is what it is, and heaven
forbid outright nastiness, seems most appropriate!

Define with prejudice as one will, for Sarah Palin
reminds me of someone mooning the world being deluded and
full of her self attempting to be profound, and all anyone
can ever sees is the humorous canker on her butt cheeks!

I may purchase her book when it hits the shelves at the local dollar store,just to get a laugh at the absurdity of it.Spending anything more on her ghost written book of lies and falsehoods would be robbery.

BTW it is Siberia and not Russia that can be viewed from Alaska on it’s farthest reaches.Sarah needs a course on geography.Get that woman an atlas and a globe and quickly.

This woman has been a proven liar since her time in elected office and no doubt well before that.Leopards do not change their spots and even when she had finally admitted she lied about something on the campaign trail,she went out and continued with the same lies she just admitted to.Truth is a total stranger to this woman.She is to comfortable in the telling of her falsehoods(lies)of her past history to ever be trusted into a larger position of power higher that the abandoned post of Alaskan governor,which she did abuse her power of authority against others who viewed things differently that she did, even though she denies this.

Nor does she practice what she preaches,check out her speeches,actions and practices before she was selected for V.P. running mate.Also,she had a poor track record into following the laws pertaining to wildlife in Alaska.She has taken obsolete laws and twisted them into what she wants and allowed actions to be taken against nature,even through it is still illegal to do so.Rule of law be damned with this woman.

We as Americans do not need this type of questionable leadership? nor does the rest of the world.We all deserve better than a President Sarah Palin ever.

Ah the reflection syndrome—what I believe I put onto you and condemn you for it. You certainly display it GRYM in your constant repetition of the propaganda lines of the virulent reich wing. We are living in the legacy of Reagan who was the first of a line of presidents, unbroken today, that are busily destroying the republic in order to raise a shining empire on a hill of skulls. Our form of gov’t is messy, even when it does work, but an empire a true empire would move fast and sure. The death penalty would be used the next day if you weren’t put into perpetual servitude. Theocracy will be the rule by which they put us in our places. [My own pet hypothesis otherwise we may be looking at “The Road” type scenario of social disintegration.]

True the Republicans do have a few of those of other genders and colors which is good but like the Democrats they are still mostly ruled by the Aryan-Nordics etc white guys. Most of whom are millionaires. They represent the oligarchy which is mostly incognito to us. They like it that way. They dislike anything democratic at all. even the limited one here. The one they have been monkey wrenching all of these years to decrease its function even more. Sara Palin is one such product of their long labors. A shell that they can fill with whatever they want to market to us.

I asked an intelligent question—quite possibly the only intelligent question which can be asked about Sarah Palin—but, in Ouroboros’s words, instead of considering it you’re all “rummaging through the dumpsters.”  Yes, you can all sternly smite GRYM with the facts, but it would be more intelligent to notice the vacuity in the first place and pass on to something more challenging, would it not?

GRYM - and you will provide proof of your conceited claims about me?  How about
some quotes or are you continuing to blow it out of your behind?

Shenonymous, - “(I have a strong egoistical superiority complex!  This has been noted by TDers many times before.)  I am a witch incognito”

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I don’t know you to be any of those things. But there can be no doubt that you’re a glaring example of :a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a political or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Darth Palin   ePie   November 18th, 2009

The Darth breathin geriatric right of the right
took up the Palin to prop up their ratings plight
as any Palintoligist tea bagger might.

Knock, knock: ‘who’s there?’
The giddy learned all American gal,
I is here for the thrill of it all.
Us high healed leaders got to stand real tall
The empire is lookin real fine this fall.

GRYM - you are so silly.  I’m the happiest lady on earth!  I’m just better than you
and you resent it.  (I have a strong egoistical superiority complex!  This has been
noted by TDers many times before.)  I am a witch incognito who really doesn’t
care what you think.  I have my broom and that is all I need to fly around zapping
those who are consumed with themselves.  Get a grip.

Shenonymous, November 18 at 11:52 am

Thank you once again. You make my point about hatred and bigotry much better then I ever could.

I pity your unhappiness and dark disposition.

She infuriates me not only politically, but intellectually, morally and as the same gender.
Politically she stands for everything our Founders Rejected, both from an Economic stance and a Moral stance.She is an Exclusionist, while our Foudners were Inclusionists.Worse she buys into “Trickle Down” which is nothing more than reinstating the Cast System. And her ‘evangelical’ ideology no different than the old Vaticans.
Intellectually, she too is not a curious person like W. She’s intellctually stunted because she has no real motivation to learn, Just ‘Be’.
Morally, she offends my sense of adherence and reverence to the most basic teaching of Christ. He never weilded a weapon, nor mounted an Army, never used the means of war to convert others. True followers understand the significance when John prophecizes that Christs Defeats Satan with just ‘The Word’.
As a woman I see her as Lowering of the Bar.
Not only does she try to use her ‘sex appeal’ to distract from her shortfalls, she fails to own up when her shortcomings are obvious. Her winking and walking routine not only demeans and undermines women, it also insults men. Only solidifying the Stereotype of dumbass Dick Thinkers. Come on boys, she knows she’s given you a chubby and is dragging you to the jewelry store by your noses. She doesn’t want the responsiblities of Equality, just the Benefits.She’s what amounts to a Political golddigger, and it’s going to be your backs she going to do it off of.She destroyed any creditabilty McCain had with moderates over his tenure she hopes to do the same to the Republican Brand as well. While these Neo cons drool over her, woman are laughing at their stupidity. Now who’s the intellectually challenged and Weak? Who can’t control the influence of their Hormones?? If it merely takes Tits, Lips and Ass to wobble your mind then perhaps you shouldn’t be given any real responsiblity or influence.
“You’re Thinkin With Your dipstick, Jimmy”

GRYM - “How many times have I seen you going on and on about Bush and Co.
in the last eight months? “  You can provide proof of this wild claim, can’t you. 
Your Uranus, if you wouldn’t mind, that is if you have a mind, do a reality check
on this .  I think Leefeller won’t care if I use his favorite 7th planet to nod at your
self-indulgent gabble.  Oh, in respect to the turkey day coming up, make that
self-indulgent gobble.

For myself, yes my opinions are most important to me unless someone can
convince me otherwise.  You have no skill at that, obviously.  The only deranged
blinding bigotry and debilitating hatred (well not hatred) I have is for rigid
imbeciles like yourself.

MarthaA, November 18 at 11:35 am

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Thank you too for proving my point so succinctly. You are, without a doubt, a small minded and hateful bigot.

Bigotry: : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a political or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance.

Progressives are some of the most intolerant and hate-filled people I happen to know. It’s one of the main reasons I left the party of my parents and Grandparents. They would be sicked by what the liberal movement has morphed into.

Shenonymous, Nov.18 at 3:58am,

Amorphous nonsense.

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 3:23am,

Lack of political education and all the sophism and propaganda by the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Media Echo-Chamber of the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Movement is the reason so many of the common population are “blockheads and dummies” registered and voting Republican against their own best interest.

Shenonymous, - “One can tell hysteria is the ruling god when rehashing worn-out issues rears its pathetic head.”—“Griping is just that…griping.  Shows an
inability to move on.”

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1. How many times have I seen you going on and on about Bush and Co. in the last eight months? Failure to move on? Or hypocrisy in full view? Or, conversely, you feel its only YOUR opinion that matters on which issues are worth talking about?

2. Fascinating how you completely missed that the Ayers matter was made an issue here by an “persistent putz” progressive.

THANK YOU! Thank you for illustrating my point so vividly. You are deranged with blinding bigotry and debilitating hatred. It’s unhealthy, to say the least!

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It’s wonderful that you feel the Bill Ayers issue has been fully vetted to your satisfaction. Perhaps you will be the one who may explain why candidate Obama felt the need to lie about his relationship with Ayers?

One can tell hysteria is the ruling god when rehashing worn-out issues rears its
pathetic head.  It is the Black Knight Syndrome.  The Ayers business was dead a
long time ago, but some persistent putz will always drag out zombie issues, like
the idiotic recurrent demand for Obama’s birth certificate.  If any real answer is
desired rather than grandstanding with stale matters, try writing to Obama.  Idle
speculation only feeds one’s ego.  There might have been a case at one time but it
was about as vetted as anything could be.  Griping is just that…griping.  Shows an
inability to move on.  Sort of what Palin did in her book.

Inherit The Wind, November 18 at 12:32 am #

“Go Right:The facts on Ayres are crystal clear despite your attempts to re-write them. Here’s a big one: Ayres and Obama sat on a board together where they were both appointed—and it was 20-30 years after Ayres’ terrorist activities.”

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You are correct about the two men serving on a board together. But let us be clear that I didn’t re-write anything. I added to it. You simply wish to ignore the fact that Obama began his Senate campaign in the Kitchen of Bill Ayers and, he ultimately lied about it. Why did Obama feel he needed to lie about his relationship with Ayers? Why did Senator Obama lie and claim his children attending school with Bill Ayers children?

Inherit The Wind, November 18 at 12:32 am

What does your last post have to do with anything I’ve written? You’re simply changing and expanding the subject.

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You claimed the following: “As I have said: Tina Fey’s GREATEST impersonation was when she repeated Palin’s answers VERBATIM on SNL—that was what made Palin look ridiculous.”

Now the issue was simple. Sarah Palin never said she could “SEE RUSSIA FROM HER BACKYARD” as 70% of progressives have come to believe. You claimed Tina Faye was quoting Palin “VERBATIM”! And, going directly to my point, it made Palin “look ridiculous”.

Now a simple question: Did SARAH PALIN say she could see Russia from her back yard as 70% of progressives have come to believe?

The answer is clearly no. Tina Faye said it. A fictional character. Why not simply say that you too misunderstood what Palin actually said. Why all the convoluted twisting and gyrating?

Hate, bigotry, sexism or outright nastiness? Which is it?

Which is why, MarthaA and Night-Gaunt, this country is a Republic and not a
mob-rule democracy.  Ignorance is not bliss. The founding fathers knew this and
constructed a country where that malady was intercepted.  I do not see this
Republic as toppling as you do.  It is resilient and history has borne this out.

Most of them are desperate and have stars in their eyes and a life time of conditioning. Also you can’t leave out poor education and wrong education as well. Then there is the manipulation of voting in some areas and the lack of availability of other candidates to have an equal shot at getting elected if we did have a clean election process like the Ukraine has. Ours doesn’t measure up to that level of clean.

If you had read my previous entries you would see my lament of such a thing could and possibly would happen in this tottering Republic. Eaten from the inside just as James Madison warned. That would be how we would lose it.

“The abuse of power is a danger but also is the abuse of liberty.”~James Madison (Paraphrased.)

Night-Gaunt, Nov.18 at 2:29am,

It was the underestimating by “blockheads and dummies” of what the Right EXTREME can do with “blockheads and dummies” that got Reagan and Bush II into office.  Since it has already been done, not once, but twice, it is reasonable to think it will happen again—it appears to me the set up has begun.

Yeah but, Evita could sing!  Well, Madonna could.  The comparison between
Palin and Evita (Eva Peron) is pretty paltry.  While not the saint as portrayed by
some, Eva Peron, born out of wedlock, went on to become named the “Spiritual
Leader of the Nation: by the Argentine Congress.  Could you imagine Sarah
Palin coming anywhere near that title?  Unusual for women to be in politics,
Peron became extraordinarily strong within the Pro-Peronist trade unions,
essentially for speaking on behalf of labor rights.  Can you see Palin speaking
on behalf of anything other than herself? 

She was falsely accused of being a fascist because of a surface association with
the true fascist, Francisco Franco of Spain by whom she was received on a
special goodwill tour of several countries. 

Besides running the Ministries of Labor and Health, she became the namesake
of a major charitable foundation, the Eva Perón Foundation, and often kissed
the poor and was kissed back even the leprous and syphilitic!  Now tell me,
honestly, can you see the Diva of Alaska doing that?  Oh yeah! 

Eva Peron was also a champion for women suffrage in Argentina having
success at gaining the right to vote by founding and managing the nation’s first
large-scale female political party, the Female Peronist Party.  Somehow I do not
see Sarah Palin doing anything for the rights of women in this country.  Do
you?

For not “defending Palin” you spend an inordinate time doing so, kind of. She is good for a flimsy post political figure but not as a real politician. She did the thing you don’t do when you plan on running again—you don’t disrespect the political operatives that you worked with. Its like burning the bridge you walked over. Her book does just that. Besides being riddled with errors and out right lies. Some of which contradict what she has said about her family. The best she can hope for is like Buchanan appear on the talk shows and write books (?) and have a radio show and or TV show too. But political, not in this universe because who would work for such and ingrate as that? Would you? I wouldn’t!

“She taps into several broad currents of discontent. She speaks for social conservatives, long taken for granted by Republicans who brandish their opposition to issues such as abortion and gay rights at election time but never actually do anything about them. She speaks for small-town and rural Americans who feel their concerns are ignored. She speaks for hunters who fear that “Washington” wants to take their guns away.”

“Unlike so many of her detractors—Republicans as well as Democrats—she didn’t go to an Ivy League school. She scrapped and scraped her way through college, as a lot of people do. And she’s a woman who juggles a complicated family and a demanding career. This is one of the most important elements of the Palin persona, because it resonates with so many other American women who see their own daily struggles in Palin’s.”

“Palin’s unconventional trajectory and unkempt mind are seen as authentic, in the sense that we all know people who’ve had ups and downs in their lives and who couldn’t point to Kazakhstan on a map. Her success to date represents a triumph of authenticity over accomplishment.”

Right-Wing Republican EXTREME money is making Sarah Palin’s “confidence without merit”  into an icon and the Right-Wing Media Echo-Chamber has Sarah Palin everywhere you look, and is costing the Right-Wing Conservative EXTREME lots of money to promote Sarah Palin, which is for more than just for her to sell her book, the Right-Wing EXTREMISTS that are putting out the dough to promote her see her as another Right-Wing Conservative EXTREMIST Republican puppet they can use to regain power and more than likely helped her get the book written for the very purpose of getting her known to the public, and like with Reagan and the Bushes, the 70% MAJORITY Grassroots population of the nation mean nothing, except to be led as “blockheads and dummies” by smiles and feigned compassion of Republican EXTREMIST sophist propaganda rhetoric, which George H.W. Bush told Gorbachev and Gorbachev finally told “The Nation” in an interview last September.

Republicans DO NOT represent NONE of the Common Majority, the people.  Republicans ONLY represent Nobles, the Capitalists, the elite—big money.

Sarah Palin is a REPUBLICAN, an EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN, who is playing to the people, the 70% Common Majority and like her Republican predecessors, will NOT in any way represent the people, the 70% MAJORITY Common Population, but will, like Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, follow the EXTREMIST REPUBLICAN agenda and only the “blockheads and dummies” of the Common Population will follow her.  If the Right-Wing is able somehow to sneak her in to power, they will; like they did Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, and it is apparent that is their plan.  If they don’t fraud the vote again, hopefully there will not be enough “blockheads and dummies” in the Common Population to get her elected.

Ouroborus, November 17 at 11:55 am #

What in heavens name are you doing here? Wasting your
considerable talents rummaging through the dumpsters?
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Well thanks for the kudos, but it’s Gene Robinson! I LIKE his articles!  The only dumpsters around are full of the garbage the Palin defenders are dumping.

Go Right:

The facts on Ayres are crystal clear despite your attempts to re-write them. Here’s a big one: Ayres and Obama sat on a board together where they were both appointed—and it was 20-30 years after Ayres’ terrorist activities.

Here is what Palin ACTUALLY said to Charles Gibson:
“They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”  Disprove THAT, flyboy!

Here’s the larger quote where Palin implies that SHE understands Russia because of that:
“PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals.That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along. “

Clearly the woman doesn’t know SHIT about foreign relations or the complications or motivations for Russians’ policy from the tsars to the commissars to their new political superstars. Yeah, I know about that pair of islands, 3 miles apart—they ain’t Moscow or Washington—or even Juneau.

And you’ve mixed up Tina Fey’s Katie Couric interview WHICH WAS VERBATIM with another skit about a debate with Biden where Fey says “And I can see Russia from my house.”

I suggest YOU do your fact-checking before demanding others do so.  I challenge Palin for being the mean, bigoted, ignorant, sneaky trailer-trash that she is.  If she wasn’t pretty, she would be as yesterday’s-news as Joe-the-Plumber, whose 15 minutes ran out a few months ago.

Among theamericanpeople, “....self-absorbed non-entity” is pretty much their everyday half-life “on drugs.”  The self-absorption itself is honestly come-by.  It is as american as pie-in-the-sky.

Eugene Robinson might next take a look at how Todd is doing in his audition to play “Don Juan.”

HokaHey!

The book is selling for $4.95 and at that price is it any wonder it was an
immediate best seller.  When it goes up in a week or two to the jacket price we
should see how much of a best seller it is then.  Almost the price of a comic
book.  Revealed on the news this a.m., the book was ghost written.  Now
imagine getting ready for a speech to Congress?  If the Republicans want that
cartoon of a woman as their presidential candidate, then great.  It will make it
easier on the missing the boat Democrats to save their own asses in the next
election. 

Qualified to be president!  Can anyone imagine her on the world scene?  Maybe
Silvio Berlusconi in Italy could get a good pinch on the bottom in? 
Ahmadinejad?  How would she do with the two dictators in South America?  Or
Egypt?  How would she solve the Israeli/Palestinian problem?  Does she even
know there is a problem?  Does she even know where Israel and the Middle East
are?  I think Miss Piggy has better credentials.  Maybe in some hilarious version
of tales from the crypt.  Methinks Mrs. Palin ought to use the next two years
going to school and majoring in political science with a minor in geography,
then a few courses in world history both ancient and modern.  Then shee
should show us her GPA.  Then maybe get a voice coach, and a psychiatrist.  A
little Buddhism wouldn’t hurt to learn a bit of humility????  Well humility is not
a politician’s trait.  It isn’t hatred on my part, it is incredulity.

No, it was Mrs. Palin who said Russia could be seen across the Bering Strait,
then Tina Fey parodied her.  September 11, 2008, in Indiana, she actually said,
“They’re [the Russians] our next door neighbors, and you can actually see
Russia from land here in Alaska.”  She said it on ABC News with Charlie Gibson. 
“And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border
between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our
next door neighbors.  We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re
very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of
weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from
land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”

  Big Diomede Island in Russia and Little Diomede Island in Alaska are less
than 3 miles apart.  If you are standing on one you can see the other.  They are
uninhabited, so seeing Russia from Alaska only happens for occasional fossil-
hunters, but very few politicians, like…none.

  The Diomedes are where fossils of dwarf mammoths have been found that
survived until the last ice age, about 10,000 years ago, or about 4,000 years
before the universe even existed according to Sarah Palin and the young-earth
crowd who say they can date the origin of the universe from the assumptions
they make about the meaning of Genesis!  This is a more important point.

A meteorology major wrote, It is theoretically possible to see Russia from the
Alaska mainland. Although Russia is much further than the geometric horizon,
as the original poster indicated, under temperature gradients, light rays bend.
Due to the hillinger effect, (also known as the arctic mirage), if warm air sits on
top of cool air, light rays will bend following the curvature of the earth,
allowing objects well beyond the geometric horizon to be seen. This particular
effect is more common towards the earth’s poles where cool air near the
ground is more common (like Alaska), so the statement that you can see Russia
from Alaska is not as absurd as it originally sounds.  But it is moot since the
island is uninhabited.

Get straight, young man.

Night-Gaunt, - “It has been played over and over in one of her interviews about “a foreign nation’s boarder so close…”, and she wasn’t referring to Canada. Tina Fay‘s brilliance was in taking Palin and copying her in both word and mannerism.”

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I’m still not interested in defending Mrs. Palin. She can do that on her own. I’m interested in taking this occasion to point out the hatred, bigotry, sexism and overall nastiness directed toward this individual who thinks differently.

What you’ve done, by way of the various reasons I outline above, is completely twist what Palin actually said. And, like I said, she did not say she could see Russia from her backyard. A fictional character said it.

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In recent years Americans have had the habit of choosing amongst the cadre of governors. In Palin’s case, arguably in weak fashion, she was attempting to make the point that her state is the only State in the nation which abuts a major adversary. Every Alaskan Governor is quite unique in this.

There is a canyon difference between what Palin said and what a fictional comedic character said.

Hatred, bigotry, (sexism) and overall nastiness. I say almost the very same thing to my conservative friends when the same is directed toward President Obama other democrats.

Thank many of you for again proving my point.

Most progressives fail to recognize the daily bias in the elite media, I think, because they agree with it. To the progressive set the Newsweek cover simply represents “the truth”. Fully ignoring that nearly half the country will disagree.

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NOTE: TD will not allow me to post a link to the Newsweek cover I was referring to above.

—“Denied access”. “black listed item found”.