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Posted on Dec 10, 2009
U.S. Air Force / Master Sgt. Scott Reed

By Scott Ritter

War is hell, as the saying goes. Murder, on the other hand, is a crime. In this age of the “long war” pitting the United States against the forces of global terror, it is critical that the American people be able to distinguish between the two. The legitimate application of military power to a problem that manifests itself, directly or indirectly, as a threat to the legitimate national security interests of the United States, while horrible in terms of its consequences, is not only defensible but mandatory.

The true test of a society and its leaders is the extent to which every effort is made to both properly define a problem as one worthy of military intervention and then exhaust every option other than the use of force. It is true that President Barack Obama inherited the war in Afghanistan from his predecessor and therefore cannot be held accountable for that which transpired beyond his ability to influence. But the president’s recent decision to “surge” 30,000 additional U.S. military troops into Afghanistan transfers ownership of the Afghan conflict to him and him alone. It is in this light that his decision must be ultimately judged. 

In many ways, Obama’s presentation before the Long Gray Line at West Point, in which he explained his decision to conduct the Afghanistan surge, represented an insult to the collective intelligence of the American people. The most egregious contradiction in his speech was the notion that the people of Afghanistan, who, throughout their history, have resisted central authority whether emanating from Kabul or imposed by outside invaders, would somehow be compelled to embrace this new American plan.

At its heart, the strategy requires a fiercely independent people to swear fealty to a man, Hamid Karzai, whose tenure as Afghanistan’s president has been marred by inefficiencies and corruption (even Obama was forced to acknowledge the fraudulent nature of the recent election which secured Karzai’s second term in office). Trying to reverse centuries of adherence to local authority and tribal loyalty with the promise of effective central government would represent a monumental challenge for the most efficient and honest of Afghan leaders. That we are attempting to do so behind the person of Karzai represents the height of folly.

For any military-based solution to have a chance of succeeding, we would need to deploy into Afghanistan an army of social scientists capable of navigating the complex reality of intertribal and interethnic relationships. They would require not only astute diplomatic skills that would enable them to bring together Hazara Shiite and Pashtun Sunni, or Uzbek and Tadjik, or any other combination of the myriad of peoples who make up the populace of Afghanistan, but also an understanding of multiple native languages and dialects. But the reality is we are instead dispatching 20-year-old boys from Poughkeepsie whose skill set, perfected during several months of predeployment training, is more conducive to firing three rounds center mass into a human body.

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The nation-building or “civilian strategy” envisioned by President Obama, impossibly ambitious even under the most ideal conditions, simply cannot be achieved with the resources at hand, whether in 18 months or 18 years. That he has chosen to place at risk the lives of even more American troops, and by extension the citizens of Afghanistan and Pakistan, in the pursuit of such unattainable ambition is inexcusable.

The American military is unmatched in its ability to wage war. If the problem of Afghanistan was able to be defined in military terms alone, then perhaps Obama’s surge would provide the basis of a solution. But the Afghan problem has never been a military problem. The United States has, from the very beginning of its Afghanistan misadventure, sought to define the mission within the overall context of a “war on terror.” But the real mission revolves more around bringing to justice the perpetrators of mass murder and building international consensus to help prevent another such crime than it does any variation of closing with and destroying an enemy through firepower, maneuver and shock effect, which is the traditional core of any military operation.

The events of Sept. 11, 2001, created problems best dealt with through diplomacy, law enforcement and intelligence. That the United States chose to define it instead as an act of war means that we have never assembled the tool set necessary to solve the Afghan problem, which explains a recent admission by U.S. military officers that, after eight years of war, America was at “square one” in Afghanistan.

Obama’s characterization of the threat faced by the United States and its allies in the expanded Afghanistan-Pakistan (Af-Pak) theater of operations is as misleading as it is inaccurate. There is no singular, homogeneous enemy to be confronted by a surging U.S. military. The notion that the Afghan Taliban, Pakistani Taliban and al-Qaida fighters operating in both countries are part of an overarching Islamic fundamentalist movement seeking to export violence to the shores of America is fundamentally wrong. While the president may in fact have seen intelligence information (of undetermined veracity) that shows that some individuals or groups operating in the Af-Pak area of operations have in fact plotted such attacks, to characterize these players and their actions as representing a majority (or even significant minority) opinion among the thousands of fighters opposing the United States and its allies is just plain wrong. Yet, having accepted the definition of the Af-Pak problem in military terms, Obama had no choice but to accede to the solutions put forward by such charismatic military leaders as Gen. David Petraeus (the commander of U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM) and Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commander of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.


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By Night-Gaunt, December 18, 2009 at 12:56 pm Link to this comment

Since the early 1990’s when the influx of Russian Jews arrived it has been cheaper for the Israelis to simply wall off and extirpate the Palestinians a bit at a time. It is cost effective to do so and they have no soft hearts for those to whom they remove. To them any who live there are interlopers since JHVH gave the land to them and the blood sacrifice of all the animals and peoples of Canaan were spilled to sanctify it as their story goes. Now I must stress that not all Israelis or Zionists believe that way but those in the gov’t and military do. A siege mentality promotes it and fanaticism, nationalism, militarism & theocracy. A bad combination we too are hosting—-it will bring down a Republic & democracy every time if not controlled.

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By ardee, December 18, 2009 at 4:00 am Link to this comment

t is interesting to me that the “propagandist wing” has implemented a night shift, in order to more effectively scapegoat its antagonists, those who present factual info,essentially the truth.

It is interesting that this purveyor of fanciful nonsense allow his ego to run rampant in thinking he is is important as to need the attention of “propagandist wings”.

Are those similar to Buffalo Wings?

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By drbhelthi, December 18, 2009 at 2:57 am Link to this comment

Using loaded words such as “sick” and attempting to
intellectualize the scapegoating process is similar to the
propagandists who classify comments of their “antagonists” as
pathological.

It is interesting to me that the “propagandist wing” has
implemented a night shift, in order to more effectively
scapegoat its antagonists, those who present factual info,
essentially the truth.

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By Sepharad, December 18, 2009 at 2:39 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi, where you getting your information from? This CIA/NAZI/MOSSAD fixation is truly sick. The only consistent enemies of Arab life are specific dysfunctional traits of Arab society clearly stated by Arab scholars—35-40 on each Arab Reform whitepaper that are being issued annually and by the UN. Lots of people on this thread hate Israel but you’re way beyond even their paranoiac xenophobic illusions. Even Lawrence of Arabia was a sympathizer with the Zionists of his day and at the same time an admirer of the Arabs, though he frowned on some of their bloddier tribelet-feud habits and was sickened by the Arab’s frenzied massacre of an Ottoman train’s passengers as well as of retreating and wounded Turkish soldiers. The Arabs are not the hapless patsys you paint them. Some of them are fine human beings and others are real kill-crazy guys (and even some gals), with a huge number in between those extremes. If you can bear the Jewish presence, you should go to Israel sometime and get to know some of the Palestinians, in the cities and the Bedouins and the Arab/Jewish city of Beersheba. You will see a lot of poverty of both Arab and Jew, but overall the lives of Arabs in Israel and the West Bank are lightyears better Arabs living in other Arab countries.

Anyway the citizens of Afghanistan and Pakistan are more Indo-European than Arab, just as North Africa’s Berbers are not Arabs.

In the Jewish tribal past when old Israel was an empire, I don’t think beheadings were the preferred execution (though a man hanging on a Roman cross probably wished he’d been beheaded quickly). I doubt the Mossad has that among its methods of killing. Al Quaeda loves it, though. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tells anyone who will listen that his “beloved arm” sawed Daniel Pearl’s life away—and Pearl’s only crime was to be arrogant enough to think he could communicate with these nutjob “freedom frighters” enough to tell their side of the story, how they saw what they were doing. Well Ok he was also a Jew which is REALLY bad by the Islamists’ reasoning. They might TELL you they have nothing against Jews, just those darned Nazi Israelis, but I wouldn’t put much trust in that. You do know, right, that these Islamists are blowing up their fellow Moslems for being the wrong sect if not just at the wrong place at the wrong time?

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By drbhelthi, December 18, 2009 at 1:20 am Link to this comment

Lies, deceit, fraud.
Is there a government that lies, deceives and defrauds more than the government in the USA, formed and bribed by the ILLUMINAZI since the end of WWII ? 
Which government secreted a couple thousand NAZI scientists and leaders into the US with falsified passports and family histories, “doctoring” public records in Germany & the US?
Which government elevated Werner freiherr von Braun to hero status, when he should have been tried with comrades in Wurttemburg for the 2,000 polish, slave-laborers whose deaths he was responsible for?
Which government developed AIDS, then tried it out on thousands of men in NYC and two locations in California before planting it in Africa?
Which government has developed numerous viruses in its bioweapon labs, and released them in the US, China, Russia and England as experiments?
Which government illegally secreted a MOSSAD officer into the position, “Secretary of Homeland Security” ?
Which government permitted a US NAZI to overtake the CIA, and actively use it to further NAZI/MOSSAD goals in the US and around the world?
Which government has misused the CIA to disturb and overthrow governments around the world, under the guise of democracy?
Which government illegally squelched its Constitution via “executive directives” signed off by defrauding the US Presidency via the “doctoring” of voting machines?
Which government has misused its military to feret untold tons of illegal drugs out of the Far East and South America and into Arkansas, D.C., Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles and other locations?
Which government has assassinated hundreds of scientists and lab-workers, fearing that they would reveal to Americans and the world, the truth about their secreted efforts?
Which government has assassinated many developers of “free energy” and HHO generators, insuring “oil empirists” among the ILLUMINAZI fraternity, a captured oil-burning market?

Compared to the alleged “US gov”, the governments of Russia and China are comparatively clean.  While the USSR lost territory via US-CIA/MOSSAD infiltration and deceit, and China has not expanded, the “US gov” colonized the world, and overtook the illegal drug trade.

Comparatively speaking, the moslem “blow-up-yourselfers” are not even in the ballpark, and alleged “moslem” countries have expanded nowhere, are being genocided by the “US military machine” under the guise of “democracy.” 

The “US gov” has become a fraud, and is now defrauding the governments of the remainder of the world, via terrorism conducted by the CIA, MOSSAD, Ex - (Blackwater) and very very sadly, the US military.  The WHO and CDC and NIH are misused to engender fear among the US and world populace, habituating them to being forcibly injected with falsified “flu vaccines” to prepare them for the bigger needle with the computer chip, in 2010?

Dont forget the ILLUMINAZI brotherhood that control the “Federal Reserve,” that has bankrupted most governments of the world.  From which “tribe” does this group stem ?  The one responsible for attacks on the USS Liberty, the USS Cole and unmentioned others?  The one that scapegoats all antagonists, while mouthing democracy, and “claiming” six million murdered by the NAZI machine?  Marvelous PR, AIPAC.  You´ve really put a big one over on the USA and the world.

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By mandinka, December 17, 2009 at 2:59 pm Link to this comment

nightly lets see 34 million starving hmmmm sounds like a number from ACORN. We have been fighting the “war on poverty” since 1965 trillions of dollars later what have we to show for it?? Nothing the level of poor in this country hasn’t changed 1/2of a %. Why government doesn’t work and never has the only function that has ever worked in the gov is the military.
20% of our federal budget is spent on the military the balance is on social programs and nonsense. Based on the Fed’s track record we could go green by burning all the $$ in a furnace

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By mandinka, December 17, 2009 at 2:53 pm Link to this comment

di monthly your more apt to die of AIDS on the West Coast maybe the government should close gay bars and bath houses rather than the current method of letting them kill themselves off.
You have no way of knowing and the same for Ritter if any civilians have been killed by our forces. So far all we have to go on is Muslim claims, and if it was easier to tell the truth they would still lie.
Just like the Army guys that were brought on charges becasue the arab town folks said there were no hostile forces in the area and they had ‘murdered” 58 arabs. Fortunately an unmanned drone was there and recorded the entire event fight. As usual our guys were right and the arabs were blatant liars.
I’ve been thru this before they claim a family member was killed and were innocent, reason??? We pay them off its about $$ not right or wrong. But hey you and Ritter are making judgements while playing on your Xbox

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By mandinka, December 17, 2009 at 2:42 pm Link to this comment

Freedom Fighters??? well I guess you can call them that as they walk into a mosque, school, hotel and blown them selves up. Yep that’s a real fighter, though most normal people would called them deranged.
As to 3 million being killed the only cretins that came up with that number are AL jazeera and the peace wonks in England. A closer estimate is 30,000 killed by our troops and the remainder is at the hands of the ‘freedom fighters’. Your numbers would reflect 10% of their population has been killed what utter nonsense, If you add all the total deaths in Iraq you might get to 3 million over 20 years

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By drbhelthi, December 17, 2009 at 2:35 pm Link to this comment

An Arab civilian blown apart by an US drone is just as dead
as an American beheaded by a CIA/MOSSAD agent dressed as an
Arab and speaking a local dialect.

Both examples are murder, as is the genocide of native Arabs
by oil empirists who intend to repopulate the areas with
illuminazi foreigners. 

Do Arab folk not have the right to defend themselves against
attack by foreigners?  “Might” is still not the determinant
of “Right.”  It is the determinant of conquest and murder, in
the spotlight, with the US military way out in front. 
Democracy?  Proliferated fraud !!!

Israeli illuminazi portray fear of an attack as their basis
for plundering Palestine. The same artificial fear tactic was
used by the family Bush/illuminazi fraternity to initiate the
synthetic “War on Terror.” The same artificial fear tactic
was recently used by the World Health Organization in their
fraudulent Swine Flu repetition of the 1994-1996 Bird Flu
fraud.  The same artificial fear tactic is being used by the
data doctor scavengers with the world-warming fraud. 

And how many leaders of nations are stupidly hovering in
Copenhagen solving an artificial problem that exists as the
result of fraudulent data-doctoring ?  Some of whom are too
stupid to acknowledge the hoax ?  How many million has Mr. Al
Gore sent to his bank accounts already from the lies that he
spawned, on which a Nobel Prize was based?  Does the Nobel
Prize Panel need some value refreshment? 

All this deceit certainly distracts from the years of lies
and fraud perpetrated on Americans and the world by US
ILLUMINAZI and NASA.  Aliens working at Area 51, water on the
moon, signs of highly intelligent life on Mars, UFO vehicles
all over our solar system, and this only for starters - - , ,
,  or the tip of the ole iceberg, once again. While internet-
propagandist-illuminazis use the old israeli tactic of
scapegoating to smear realists with the lable of “fear
mongers”.  Israeli “scapegoat-mongering” ?

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By DieDaily, December 17, 2009 at 1:29 pm Link to this comment

Exactly night-gaunt. The real cowardly murderers are our officials. We are 18 times more likely to drown in our bathtubs than from terrorism here in the west. Think on that. But we have to go slaughter a million people? Of whom perhaps 1% were even hostile toward the US? Sheer insanity. Evil by proxy.

The lowest form of being is to dehumanize an entire people and then start exterminating them, as we are doing. The lowest form of being is salting the earth with depleted uranium that will take billions of years to decay. The lowest form of being is to stand by while genocide is waged in our names spouting dehumanizing hate-myths like mandinka’s.

And lets not forget that Alciada IS OUR CREATION, OUR PURPOSE BUILT TOOL FOR FIGHTING RUSSIA BY PROXY. Thank you Brzezinski, for creating our Arab foreign legion. Now when people grow tired of these genocidal wars we can always supply a handful more dead Americans as grist for the lamestream media so that people like mandinka will stay on board for the “righteous killing” of another few hundred thousand women and children.

The lowest form of being is to be so far from the loving center of one’s being that one can demonize an entire people. Hitler’s ideas never died. They merely transplanted themselves to Amerika and Israel. Now that Obama is on the scene, genocidal war is even politically correct!

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By lensman, December 17, 2009 at 12:59 pm Link to this comment
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Why are you people responding to this troll, mandinka? His choice of screen moniker should give you a clue as to his idea of a sense of humor and education level.

From WikiAnswers: “What is the definition for mandinka? A: a real man who can totally satisfy over and over a woman beyond her wildest dreams and imagination.”

He’s obviously a racist, as his (?) moniker is a corruption of the name of the Nigerian Mandinka slave who was lusted after by the female protagonist in the 1975 bodice-ripper/soft porn novel (later a movie) of the same name. It’s also the name of a Nigerian porn actor.

Check his spelling, punctuation and logic. This guy’s pulling your leg. Ignore him and move on.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 17, 2009 at 12:19 pm Link to this comment

Sure and what of us and our extinction of 100,000 Iraqis in the “Shock and Awe” attack by the USA? In all since 2003 the USA (and a token force of allies) have killed upwards of over 1.5 million and another 1.525 million from 1990-2003 and how do we stack up as human? Not all of them are terrorists some are freedom fighters fighting our invasion or haven’t you noticed? Not all of us are terrorists either but not too many have said they will not go to fight an evil war of conquest have they? Not that you can see such nuance Mandinka. Who is the bigger terrorist here? The Taliban, al-Qeada or the USA? On one level all those who murder and torture are evil in the same way but by shear numbers and capability it is the USA. Is that what you want Mandinka while 34 million starve in the richest country on earth? While our roads and bridges are falling apart? Does any of this get through that fog of propaganda you slop up like nectar and spew like it is manna from Heaven?

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By mandinka, December 17, 2009 at 11:49 am Link to this comment

dear night are they less human than our folks? Absolutely they have proven it by their actions. hiding in apartments building using women and children as shields, IED’s , beheadings. They are the lowest form of being and they reap what the sow, Please don’t try and paint a human face on them since there face is very public

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By tiraniyaya_son, December 17, 2009 at 4:04 am Link to this comment
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It does not matter whether drones or traditional manned planes are used. In either case Afghanis are bombed from above.
Does it make more sense than storming them with infantry? American nominal GDP per capita is $47,440. Afghan’s is $416. So killing more than 100 Afghanis in order to save one American makes economical sense.
What does not make sense to me is American military presence in Afghanistan. Would not it be cheaper to save American lives by just not having any Americans in Afghanistan in the first place?

What exactly are they trying to achieve there? Would Afghanistan be ever able to keep all of its vast lands free of Arab terrorists? And even if it would what would prevent those terrorists from going somewhere else? Which they did, by the way, and most of them are now in the neighbouring Pakistan. Let’s stretch our imagination and say we kick them out of Pakistan too. What would prevent them from going to Somalia?

And what would prevent Arab terrorists from going to… Arab countries? Most of the American hating terrorists are actually currently living in Arab countries. Are all Arab countries really capable of preventing their citizens from planning terrorism?
If American citizens were planning to engage in terrorism against foreign countries, would US be able to prevent all of them? Can US stop all of its organized crime, mafias, gangs?
And as we come to that, the only training needed for the 9/11 attacks, the training to fly airplanes, was received by the terrorists on the American soil.

What’s worse is that the American presence in Afghanistan actually makes the matters worse. Once the war in Afghanistan started terrorism exploded in Pakistan. 21 days after the war started a church in Pakistan was attacked which was followed by scores of other attacks.
Now I’m not an expert but I would say that the explosion of terrorism in Pakistan has something to do with the Afghan war.
In 2005 the London bombings were perpetrated by mostly Pakistanis, not Arabs. Terrorism in UK changed hands from IRA to Muslim terrorists (I don’t like the term “Islamic terrorism”, which seems to imply that terrorism has something to do with the faith. “Muslim” just means that perpetrators are Muslim, belonging to the nation of Islam).

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By drbhelthi, December 17, 2009 at 2:05 am Link to this comment

Illegally razing palestinian farmland with bulldozers, and firing rounds from tanks into private residences demonstrates a great deal of feeling by the israeli illuminazi.

And some folk wonder that the Palestineans are attempting to defend themselves?

How many nuke rounds did the NAZI Bush family bestow on the israeli illuminazi?  Who is behind the scapegoating of Iran for possibly building their own nukes?  Iran can scarcely defend itself, much less attack another country.

Isnt it big-hearted of the israeli illuminazi to occasionally allow a iittle food through the illegally-blockaded border cross-overs to the Palestinean folk?

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By Night-Gaunt, December 16, 2009 at 10:06 pm Link to this comment

Ahh, Mandinkan you are a citizen of the Holy American Empire to come! Tell me if they are less than you then are they indeed human at all? It is called “false speciation” just the thing to do to make it easier to kill your enemy if they are a “gook’ or “spick” or “slope” or some other way of hiding their humanity in your head. A perniciuos form of euphemism like “recession” when we are in a Great Depression.It is a type of psychological conditioning including a form of self hypnosis. Feeling it yet? You won’t unless you come out of it. That is how it always is.

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By TL Winslow, December 16, 2009 at 7:25 am Link to this comment
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It’s sad that the West calls it a war on terrorism
when it should be seen as what it is, a war on a
resurgence of 7th Islam and its horrible Quran and
Sharia. Too bad, Westerners are history ignoramuses
when it comes to Islam, so they confuse modern
secular Muslims who have been weaned away from the
Quran with Western science and democracy and are
actually Muslims in name only, with so-called
fundamentalist Muslims who go back to reading the
Quran and obeying its commands to spread the
territory ruled by Sharia by force and kill or
enslave all who resist, and are actually the true
Muslims. If you want to study Islam’s history online
free, just click the url and study free with the
Historyscoper.

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By Sepharad, December 15, 2009 at 10:29 pm Link to this comment

mandinka, I’m an Israel-forever person often accused of lacking sympathy for the Palestinian Arabs, but not even rightwing Bibi Netanyahu is indifferent to unnecessary deaths-by-negligence. Are you trying to get a reaction here? Can’t believe you mean what you said.

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By mandinka, December 15, 2009 at 10:19 pm Link to this comment

Who really cares if a few arabs are vaporized as part of our efforts to eliminate the enemy. take up arms and move the terrorist out of your homes and towns and your worry free. However lay down with dogs an those fleas may be Predators over ahead with the RAID

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By Sepharad, December 15, 2009 at 8:49 pm Link to this comment

I think the Pakistanis are up to here with the drones, and are saying so to guys like Petraeus, briefly, “Keep droning, and we will no longer cooperate.” I’ve no wish for higher U.S. casualties, but warfare by robot is an appalling, non-human precedent. A vet who counsels other veterans told me that the most screwed up were those who committed murder, as distinct from those who killed people able and ready to kill them. A drone doesn’t know a damned thing about it’s target, let alone the people in the target’s general vicinity.

But aren’t we dancing around the basic questions—are human beings inherently violent? I’m waiting for my husband to finish reading “War Before Civilization” by anthropology professor Lawrence H. Keeley so I can read it. It’s said that he completely debunks the old notions about prehistoric warfare being rare, harmless and uninmportant, and demonstrates that prehistoric warfare was more deadly, more frequent and more ruthless than modern war. (Nation and the NYReview of Books hold his findings in high regard, though I haven’t read any comment from other anthropologists.)

If we are inherently violent, that would certainly seem to make it less likely that we can avoid war. But it shouldn’t preclude finding better ways to do less human damage. Moving closer to anonymous killing is definitely regressive on anyone’s moral scale.

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By DieDaily, December 15, 2009 at 8:29 pm Link to this comment

The drones are just like wiretapping. “Don’t worry we just do this to foreigners”. Hmmm. Now it seems our every call, and even cell phone location (GPS), email, is tapped and recorded. What a surprise. If you don’t understand that the fight against the use of these drones in the AfPak skies is actually a fight against their use over here, then you deserve the hellfire missiles that await you and yours.

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By courage to dissent, December 15, 2009 at 3:33 pm Link to this comment
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If Iraqis were white as Icelanders, blond and pretty, would we burn them. If Afghans had money and oil platforms and perfectly-fitted Saudi garb, would US policy be to eliminate their dignity? American foreign policy since WWII has been only to demolish those nations incapable of defending themselves. And now, with goading from the likes of Blitzer, Schumer, Lieberman, the America public had been dopedinto believing that Iran isthe “enemy.” Iran, for 60 years the victim of horrible US and British abuses, has never attacked anyone an, in fact, holds a young population full of enthusiasm for the American culture. Scott Ritter, with tis article, continues to push Americans to think, to think about making the US an honorable member of the world community.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 15, 2009 at 1:15 pm Link to this comment

Jean Gerard that was Nietzsche when the morals are turned on their head by the nobles who hunt like the blond beasts of Africa to get their way yet again. Where might makes the wrong right!

Sure Dihey, we can bring that here an then you are not only guilty but executed without trial or proof. Makes it so easy for the the legal system even after it stops being one! Then you will truly know we aren’t in the USA of the Constitution/Bill of Rights but one of the Bible and vengeance from on high. I suspect you will like it for a time even love it so long as you don’t become targeted. For when they take down every gang in the USA with the kind of military tactics used in other countries you will know the transition is over or nearly so. Which could happen at any time for any reason including simple error but since they are “infallible” they then are never wrong even when they are. They don’t apologize either.

In Terry Gillium‘s “Brazil” such a thing is depicted and starts a whole series of destructive happenings for the hapless protagonist pushed around by forces he never intended to upset.

Drbhelthi they aren’t “illuminated” just cruel and imperious and religious on a messianic course. But then it is the Christian fascists who point the finger at the long dead Illuminati anyway as all victors do to vanquished, resurrecting their skeletons to rattle in the dark to those who are fearful and believing of most anything thrown at them. Or maybe it is the “Alumbros” of Spain? Why not, whatever scarecrow you wish to use to instill fear and loathing of secular democratic-republican gov’t.

Howard what kind of response is that? A nativist who hates the idea of free speech? So do you accept the mindless creed of “my country right or wrong” in this area? A nasty kind of mind that will love the coming theocracy. It will think just as you and demand you follow through or else bad things will happen to your. Enjoy it when it comes because you are already prepared for it.

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By Howard, December 15, 2009 at 11:46 am Link to this comment

Well, why don’t you leave the country, ye bomber?; and find another one to live in?

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By oBombYa, December 15, 2009 at 4:55 am Link to this comment
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The terrorists are in congress, the white house, and the pentagon. Inside job, to anyone capable of thinking. The wet pantied sissies of america are too concerned about their sorry pampered asses, to think for themselves. Our kids and grandkids deserve better, than what their sorry assed parents are now capable of. Witness the destruction of america from within. By tyrants enabled by the wet pantied sissies of america.

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By drbhelthi, December 15, 2009 at 1:56 am Link to this comment

The former chief of US Army Intelligence, MG Stubblebine, has made a video, in which he clarifies that no airliner crashed into the pentagon.  However, one relic of an aircraft was found in the 4th tier of the pentagon: the remains of a jet engine that was used in the Tomahawk missile, 2001.  On 11 Sep 2001, one lady, walking on the bay side of the pentagon reported, ” - it looked like some kind of small airplane-”  a fitting description of the Tomahawk missile. Chalk up another point for the ladies.  Her observation was mentioned several times, just after the airing of the hit on the pentagon - but never thereafter.

The article of Mr. Scott Ritter contains a new twist, to include the idea of Usama bin Laden having organized the 11 Sep 2001 event. Plans for the event were formulated twenty years ago by “White House” think-tank-pawns, and regurgitated in more recent years by US military “robot-types.”  The bin Laden family have been nicely paid for their artificial role in the event. 

Due to Mr. Ritter´s “current take” on the issue, my view is that he has been offered the “final option” by an assassin of a “covert operations” section of a CIA,NSA,FBI organization. That he was still present to write the article, reflects his choice.

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By lucky, December 15, 2009 at 12:16 am Link to this comment

“health care reform, the centerpiece of his domestic policy agenda” - must not be, since he gives himself a B+ without it! Newsflash: We have an egomaniac, jackass President. Again.

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By pedro76, December 14, 2009 at 9:50 pm Link to this comment
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All politicians should be prohibited from receiving gifts or whatever from anyone except Usa treasury.Corruption is serious business which will kill America.Any president must not be allowed to be president if he is not willing to give proof of birth in USA.Obama never does.He is illegal.Every act officially is a lie.Not good enough.His czars are nearly all totally supporters of Isrel first/ USA second or last.

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By tseeker, December 14, 2009 at 9:43 pm Link to this comment
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Scott said that “Bin Laden was complicit in the 9/11 attacks, and should be held to account for his crimes, is not a question.” Are you kidding me? The FBI does NOT even want Bin Laden for 911! There was never a trial or any evidence presented to the American people except that George Bush said it was so! If you truly belive that Arabs did 911 you should do research on simple physics and the laws of explosions!

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By Tomsk, December 14, 2009 at 9:13 pm Link to this comment
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The dollar empire is almost over. Agression is used in further attempts to continue it at the point of a gun. The rest of the world is tired of this dollar hegemoney. Most importantly, the tyrant central bankers are tired of it (including our own) and soon it will all be over. 100,000 American soldiers running out of bullets in Afghanistan when the Navy ships are nuked in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea. Beans, Bullion, and Bullets. Lots of bullets.

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By Sleeper, December 14, 2009 at 8:23 pm Link to this comment

We will continue to fund atrosities everywhere.  Our Congress will continue to sell their votes.  A larger percentage of the United State population will progressively be sent to prison. 

Who knows? They will use harsher tactics on protestors and citizens will be going on Rendition rides.  Some may be dropped off in Gaza for being non Zionists.  Most of them wounldn’t know the difference between Judaism and zionism.

I read an article that Israel was working on nano bees that were mini drones (UAV’s) with lethal stingers.  “The times they are a Changing” but in some ways the more things change the more they stay the same. 

I have seen the footage where the buildings fall at freefall speeds and heard the reports that say the molten metal is consistant with controlled demolitions where Thermite has been used.

It seems to me if we don’t tar and feather a few of these untouchable tyrants we will all be required to get RF Transmitters that will explode if you tampered with them.  The rulers may just detonate them because you don’t produce enough for quota.

It was only a dream.

You know, the truth is we are all just some lab rats that Jackson Labs provided for testing.  8 years ago they started feeding us low doses of LSD about the time the Supreme Court elected the Royal Decider.

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By bud dingler, December 14, 2009 at 8:17 pm Link to this comment
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Imagine being a Taliban - taking a leak out doors the mud hut even at night takes on new meaning.

The physcological impact must be as great as the deaths. Kind of reverse treatment in how terrorists use the same kind of fear to get their point across.

I think its a good idea and see why Obama has chosen it as a policy.

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By mot, December 14, 2009 at 6:59 pm Link to this comment

Let’s just say that a local lawyer, who was a tireless community worker, ultimately became your President.

His elevation to “The Judge of the World”, surrounded by “the Best& Brightest” advisers is sheer bull shit.

Obama is neither a judge, or a CEO;
not that I suggest either.

If you don’t get it, perhaps a complete financial collapse( say 28-30% unemployed) is the only way to “bring the troops home”

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By Dave, December 14, 2009 at 5:46 pm Link to this comment
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Much of the gas reserves in Turkmenistan is controlled by an Israeli named Yosef A.Maiman(see Bollyn.com).
The Afghanistan war has absolutely nothing to do with terrorism,it is about gas pipleine transit routes primarily for the benefit of Israel.
Call me an anti-Semite if you are ridiculous enough,but Israel is the primary reason that we are hated,dying,broke and finished as a great nation.

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By NorCalNative, December 14, 2009 at 5:09 pm Link to this comment
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Scott Ritter claims that CENTCOM has become its own virtual Nation-State.  Of the many ways in which a Republic may be dismantled, surely this rates highly on the scale.

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By Valatius, December 14, 2009 at 1:26 pm Link to this comment

Excellent point, Scott, on the dominance of the US military by CENTCOM. With the Iraq-Af-Pak wars sucking up all resources and manpower, the US is ill-prepared to respond to unexpected future threats.

The US was in a similar position in 1967 when Israel responded to Arab aggression by conquering the West Bank and Gaza. At the time the Israeli government was uncertain what to do with the occupied territory and expected LBJ, like Eisenhower at the time of the 1956 Suez War, to demand a pullback to the old borders. Israel expected to negotiate with the US and hoped to retain a defensible frontier that did NOT include the entire West Bank and Gaza and sent offers to that effect to Egypt and Syria, via the US.

However, Johnson was preoccupied with the deteriorating situation in Viet Nam and took a vague position that left it to Israel and its defeated opponents to work out the border issue. Surprised by the lack of US pressure, the Israeli government was soon swayed by its more right wing members, such as Menachim Begin, to make the annexation permanent. The refusal of a humiliated Syria and Egypt to even talk with Israel guaranteed that the bloody stalemate would last down to our own day.

It is worth imagining what might have happened if the US had the military force and attention available in 1967 to play a strong role in guaranteeing a settlement that did not leave a million Arabs under Israeli control.

The overwhelming dominance of Centcom, like the old obsession with Viet Nam, is indeed a danger to American interests.

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By garth, December 14, 2009 at 9:19 am Link to this comment

Bush-Obama leg of this government’s foreign policy has introduced a new wrinkle.  They are stepping it up by fighting multiple wars.  Now we have Iraq, Bush’s fave, and Afghanistan, Obama’s just war.  Soon we can in a number of different directions.  We can draw Pakistan into a full throated war, invade Iran, rattle the saber against North Korea, or ramp up the Special Forces-Mercenary war in Sout America.  Of course, with an all volunteer army in such dire economic straits, they’ll have no trouble filling the slots to make the numbers of enlistees to go off and fight their wars.
From now on it’ll be like a cooking show with at least two wars on the flame and other dishes being prepared on the back burners.

A word about the Northcom. The G20 summit in Pittsburgh showed evidence of the end of Posse Comitatus.  They’re ready for any trouble, and they’ll use force.  With the Law & Order crowd entrenched in positions of management and a cop’s job looking very appealing, the boys in blue will take their orders from the white haired, right-wing gangsters at the top.

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By drbhelthi, December 14, 2009 at 1:33 am Link to this comment

How soon will these “murderers in the sky” be applied to Americans in their “homeland” ?  The alerting of one million reservists for duty in NORTHCOM is not a casual event. Nor is the bestowal of “lethal force” onto the CG of NORTHCOM a casual event.  How can Kenyan folk be proud of their emissary to the US?  He denies his homeland birthright, in order to become famous and wealthy, and represent the military-industrial fraternity that is destroying native Africans and native Africa !

While Illumina types such as Rupert Murdoch are misusing journalism (per normal for US, public newsmedia) to scapegoat American patriots,  these types are coincidentally providing a warning to Americans, that they are the new target   http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/45.html

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By mandinka, December 13, 2009 at 9:18 pm Link to this comment

norbie, i’ve ridden on that clerk bus before, the folks you are referring to job is to input data into the system much like a typist. What’s being shared isn’t real time or actionable just for future reference. the GI’s on the other hand are all reading books regarding LBJ and Viet Nam. They see the same style of leadership from barak that lbj exhibited. Th idea that some how they are now warriors and understand combat and the rules of war. As casualties mounted in Vietnam due to the restraints that lbj had on the military barak is repeating hence the record casualties over the past 5 months.
barak needs to understand that he knows nothing about economic, or tax and trade and certainly nothing about combat arms. The country is much better off he he spends all his time golfing and at martha’s vineyard than trying to run a country that he is totally unprepared for

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By Sleeper, December 13, 2009 at 3:15 pm Link to this comment

These weapons are not good or evil they are weapons.  The killing of civilians breeds opposition.  Irresponsible use of any weapon is counter productive, unless the intent is not to serve the cause, but to ensure the fighting continues and ensures fresh Blood and money for those who profit from the fighting.

The cause used to justify the use of these weapons is based on evidence that has more fiction then substance.  The proponderence of evidence supports a record of continued aggression based on falsehoods that our leaders fail to question.

These Acts support a clear intent of restricting the liberty of our citizens while bleeding the coffers of this nations tax revenue.  These actions indicate that the domestic enemies of our Constitution intend to inflict further damage to our nation.  Civilians of these 3rd world countries and our servicemen are being used as pawns to continue the financial bonaza of the criminals who intend to remain above the Law. 

Our suvival as a land of Freedom will remain to be fiction unless we stop the killing and force the apprehension of the real criminals who have sponsored the lies and deceptions.  We need to purge our government of its traitors more then we need to kill anyone outside this nation.

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By garth, December 13, 2009 at 2:45 pm Link to this comment

In the pros and cons of the Afghanistan War, FAIR reports that the pro war reports outnumber the anti war reports by about 5 to 1.  The cite stories from the Washington Post and the NY Times—the usual suspects.
In the conventional news tidbits being passed back and forth for public consumption, the one I find interesting is the item that only 100 Al Quaeda remain in Afgahanistan.
If they can count them with such granularity, and the number is so small, why can’t they just go and arrest them.  Or better yet, send out Afghani-grams to each and every Al Quaeda still in Afghanistan inviting each one to a Bazaar, and once they are there, swoop in an arrest them in a roundup. 
It sounds like the search for the number 4 man in the Taliban, Fazi.
The CIA looked him up in a Milwaukee telephone directory and found, Fazi Wazi.  They arrested him in Pakistan and held him incommunicado for a week only to find out that Fazi Wazi wasn’t Fazi, now, was he?

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By jean Gerard, December 13, 2009 at 2:14 pm Link to this comment
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Taowalker, you got me right, seeing that I am not drawing any lines between
the beginning and the now.  It’s been a process.  The first fellow who chipped a
piece of flint began the process (in a manner of speaking).  The first basket
maker wove the beginning of art and artistry, the first reed-blower invented
the symphony orchestra.

  My contention is that that the process can be revised and shaped but cannot
be either stopped or reversed.  The process itself has been a “natural” human
process.  Some aspects need to be discarded if the process is to continue (I
mean war as now promoted, as one primar example) (and the money-system
uber alles is another).  For such changes to happen,  moral choices have to be
made.  Complexities have increased over time to the extent that “reform” is
very difficult because more people’s noses will be put “out of joint” in the
process.

But I think what has been called by somebody (I forget who) a “transvaluation
of values” has to occur gradually on a worldwide scale, not all at once.  The
present contentioin over wars in the Middle East are an example of that
beginning to happen.  Stopping modern war has to come first, I think, simply
because of the enormous killing power of modern weapons.  That will give us
time, and lots of time will be needed. 

But I also think that, with luck, and once war is stopped, enough people will
catch on that a dynamic of cooperation and community has a chance to
intercede and gradually take over, and more community-minded thinking will
become the rule—out of the sheer need for self-preservation.

  Domination needs to die; egotism needs to die; caring and mutual
understanding need to grow and be nurtured.  Of course I know how huge all
this will be, but I believe it can be done because the alternative is to consign
humanity to the dump.  Once enough people make the latter decision, that is
what will happen. Therefore I keep plugging away, not sure at all, but hopeful. 
I am trying not to become a world-killer even to the extent of speculation.  I
have a cynical side that keeps hollering at me, but I try not to hear it.

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By bogglesthemind, December 13, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

“The reality is that, yet again, American soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines
are being sacrificed for the political advantage of an American politician.”

The reality is that, yet again, innocent Afgani children, women, and men will be
murdered at a rate totally disproportionate to that of any ‘real’ terrorists.  Just like
Iraq.

You can lead a man to wisdom but you cannot make him think. ~jhg

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By Talullah, December 13, 2009 at 1:13 pm Link to this comment
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Ritter: “It is true that President Barack Obama inherited the war in Afghanistan [] and [] cannot be held accountable for that which transpired beyond his ability to influence.”

1. Afghanistan is a continuation of Iraq. 

2. It was the anti-war Senator Obama’s job to demand from his colleagues, as well as from Bush, evidence in favor of their pro-war votes/pro-war stances. 

Obama was elected years ago in order to do what Ritter does today.  If I’m wrong and Ritter’s right, there need never be an end to this (and folks like Ritter are guaranteed jobs for life).

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By bozh, December 13, 2009 at 11:29 am Link to this comment
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This cannot be rendered simpler: of necessary truth there is no single causative factor for any nation to attack a country.
In case of a criminal act by a leadership, only the leadership does time for its crime; i.e.,no collective punishment.

This shld be made clear to any leadership.US, of course, had no cause to attack afpak, or iraq spurns this simlicity and extremely desirabel and true principle.tnx

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By Norbie7, December 13, 2009 at 11:16 am Link to this comment
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Each weekday I ride in a vanpool which travels 90 miles roundtrip to an air force base.

Certain members of the vanpool are involved in managing and interpreting data relayed from the war zone by satellite. It is real-time data sourced to or generated by the automated vultures floating above the Mideast.

I hear of fatigue, of image specialists falling victim to images which they’re assigned to interpret.

Every one of us riding these weekdays expresses disdain for what went before, for messeurs Cheney and his puppet, infamously nicknamed ‘Shrub’ by Ms. Ivins.

Otherwise, they prattle about what they sit and observe, nightly programming on the T.V. you understand. It’s all a soap opera, folks. In this case, said interpreters do not wish to talk of blood and gore. Style, appearances and weight loss are all of what is appropriate for discussion. Any moral dimension is out of the question (hint: they loved Hillary last year). To talk of blood invites rebuke, snide admonitions to ‘get real.’

No wonder that Cheney and his cohort got as far as they managed to. Blood simple.

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By G.Anderson, December 13, 2009 at 10:44 am Link to this comment

Today Elsewhere, I think it was on the Huffington post, there was an article about our puppet in Afganistan, telling Gates that it would take the Afghani army 15 to 20 years before it could ever assume the responsibility for defending it’s country from the Taliban.

How does that grab you?

Under those curcumstances it makes more sense just to take over the whole country and make it the 52 state. It would also be cheaper in the long run.

Our puppet might as well have been saying never.

So Mr. president, under those curcmstances, are we still going to with draw next year? Obviously something is not working here, you need to rethink your plan, because it’s about to go poof.

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By Virginia777, December 13, 2009 at 10:39 am Link to this comment

I am not happy at all people about the murderers in the sky,

but I put forward that we have millions of “murderers” running amok in THIS country, right-wing extremists pouring forth hate and racism by the truckload

Murderers on the Net - creating a war right here at home

When are they going to get the attention (and vitriol) from liberals that the Afghanistan war does?

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By Virginia777, December 13, 2009 at 10:34 am Link to this comment

oh and garth, since you are comparing Obama to Hitler no less (how subtle)

I am sure you will love this Fox Nation comment:

Send the black Muslim to the Gulag

(right up your alley, right?)

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By Virginia777, December 13, 2009 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

oh drbhelthi, I see you are a “Hussein Obama” fan,

well, here is compatriot of yours from Fox Nation:

THE BLACK MUSLIM IS A SOCIALIST AGENT, CODE NAME FOREIGNER

(liberals like drbhelthi are Useless)

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By Gilbert, December 13, 2009 at 8:55 am Link to this comment
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Regarding the forthcoming trial of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the trial of Saddam Hussein was also a show trial. The claim used to justify Hussein’s evil - ‘that he killed thousands of his OWN people’ - was not tried. The implicit argument behind this charge is that it is acceptable to kill OTHER people, something even to be celebrated.

The Descent is Complete.

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By D.R. Zing, December 13, 2009 at 4:46 am Link to this comment

A country in a state of perpetual war is an amoral society incapable of telling the difference between right and wrong. 

Turn the other cheek and gouge out an eye.

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By LocalHero, December 13, 2009 at 2:44 am Link to this comment

“The legitimate application of military power to a problem that manifests itself, directly or indirectly, as a threat to the legitimate national security interests of the United States, while horrible in terms of its consequences, is not only defensible but mandatory.”

Repeat it often enough, Mr. Ritter, and you might convince me that you believe it but it’s still a bald-faced lie no matter how many times it’s repeated.

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By drbhelthi, December 13, 2009 at 1:21 am Link to this comment

The description, “almost assassinated” suggests to me
that there is still a bit of honor among some thieves.
Twould that more thieves among these “thief
organizations” would rely on their American and other honorable upbringing.

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By drbhelthi, December 13, 2009 at 1:15 am Link to this comment

The speech of Mr. Hussein Obama “falls in place,” the more thoroughly one comprehends information found at http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm,
coupled with the info regarding “Operation PaperClip.”
The thousands of NAZIs secreted into the US just after the end of WWII, and the transferring of their HQ to DC, subsequently Texas, Colorado, and scattered other locations, is readily understandable. That the OSS was re-organized into the CIA with NAZI SS leaders as dept. heads, and that GHWBushSr overtook the CIA in the 1950s, all falls into place. The hundreds of thousands of CIA contractees, Ex(Blackwater) assassins roaming the world is not a very comforting thought. Comforting thoughts will continue to be an increasingly fleeting commodity, especially in Jan 2010, as the NAZI/illuminati fraternity pull the plug on the dollar. The numerous investigative reports of former West Coast FBI administrator, Mr. Ted Gunderson are also insightful. As are front pages of the Washington Post, 1981-82. Americans owe Mr. Ted Gunderson a huge gratitude, especially since covert operatives have almost assassinated him six times.  December 2009 is however, a bit late.

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By DieDaily, December 12, 2009 at 11:37 pm Link to this comment

This is really great article. The advent of Obama has thoroughly hamstrung (or worse) the peace movement. Finally, today there was a rally in DC. This type of article is indicative of the left media waking up to the fact that Obama is war monger. It heralds the waking of Obama’s lemming armies to his deceptions. Increasingly people are realizing that not only is Obama no better than Bush II he is actually considerably worse. Scott Ritter I commend you for courageously breaking from deep in left cover and bringing us the unvarnished truth about our war-mongering leader. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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By garth, December 12, 2009 at 9:31 pm Link to this comment

“..., but if you reed about the construction of the US army, its like the Nazis in the second war…”

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Yes, Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech was eerily resonant with Hitler’s speech in Sudetenland in 1938.

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By lensman, December 12, 2009 at 9:27 pm Link to this comment
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mandinka said, “another knucklehead writing an article on the military.”

Just for the record, mandinka, here’s the “knucklehead’s” bio (courtesy Wikipedia):

Ritter was born into a military family in 1961. He graduated from Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, with a Bachelor of Arts in the history of the Soviet Union and departmental honors. In 1980 he served in the U.S. Army as a Private. Then in May 1984 he was commissioned as an intelligence officer in the United States Marine Corps. He served in this capacity for twelve years.[1] He initially served as the lead analyst for the Marine Corps Rapid Deployment Force concerning the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and the Iran–Iraq War. Ritter’s academic work focused on the Basmachi resistance movement in Soviet Central Asia during the 1920s and 1930s, specifically on the Basmachi commanders Fazail Maksum and Ibrahim Bek.[2][3] During Desert Storm, he served as a ballistic missile advisor to General Norman Schwarzkopf. Ritter later worked as a security and military consultant for the Fox News network.

Ritter has pretty serious creds. Also, his punctuation is better than yours.

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By Mihail, December 12, 2009 at 8:15 pm Link to this comment
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Ha’aretz Says U.S. Officials Face ‘Pro-Israel’ Background Check

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Tuesday, December 8, 2009

Via: Foreign Policy:

There is an amazing story in Ha’aretz today on the “pro-Israel” litmus test that determines who is permitted to serve in the United States government. Here’s the sort of lede you’re not likely to read in the New York Times or Washington Post:

Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community.

In the case of Obama’s government in particular, every criticism against Israel made by a potential government appointee has become a catalyst for debate about whether appointing “another leftist” offers proof that Obama does not truly support Israel.”

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By mandinka, December 12, 2009 at 7:51 pm Link to this comment

another knucklehead writing an article on the military. Since barak took over our casualties in the AFPak area have at record levels month after month. Why barack’s rules of engagement in which soldiers can no longer call for air strikes when they are being shot at from a building they have to insure there are no civilians in there as well??? Then if they do identify insurgents only the pilot or the nav driving the UAV must personally verify that they see weapons before firing. The end result more of our guys getting killed for nothing.
When it comes to life in that area I could care less how many innocent afganies get hit, they have the opportunity to take up arms and rid themselves of that scourge and they have chosen to do nothing

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By Virginia777, December 12, 2009 at 5:36 pm Link to this comment

“The spirit of poetry, music, dance, graphic arts, the spirit of affection, sympathy, care, understanding, hoping, aspiring, healing and relieving pain,  the spirit of justice - the ears to hear, the eyes to see, the mind to ask, the soul to appreciate.”

I love that

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By Virginia777, December 12, 2009 at 5:35 pm Link to this comment

Jean Gerard is dead-on

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By Grousefeather, December 12, 2009 at 5:00 pm Link to this comment
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Terrorism begets terrorism, and make no mistake about it, Blackwater, and the CIA, are terrorists.

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By Ambro42, December 12, 2009 at 4:22 pm Link to this comment
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The us has no legal right, nor any legitimate reason, to kill anyone in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan, let alone anywhere else in the world, like in Latin America or Somalia. The extrajudicial executions the US commits should be forcibly stopped by the UN. No nation has the authority to do what the US does, yet the authority that exists to confront it remains worse than silent, but compliant in the crimes.

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By TAO Walker, December 12, 2009 at 2:00 pm Link to this comment

Jean Gerard is probably not really suggesting below that only the domesticated peoples exhibit the fine qualities s/he extols….but it might be read that way.  This old Savage can say with complete assurance that us free wild Human Beings are at least as generously-endowed and capable in these areas as our tame Sisters and Brothers….at least.  We’re not in the habit, however, of preaching about it.

Just because “civilization” is all they know, its captives are mostly CONvinced everything “good” they have must’ve come about because of it (and the “bad” stuff somehow seeps in from here in the vestiges of The Wilderness).  Most of ‘em make the same fatal mistake about “money.”

From here in Indian Country it remains perfectly clear that whatever persists (in their virtual world-o’-hurt) of genuine Humanity, does so in-spite-of the processes and purposes of “civilization”....and also despite the toxic, corrosive, and habit-forming properties of “money.”  That’s not a “moral” judgment….just an observation based on many years of paying attention.

Jean Gerard is no-doubt a good-hearted “individual,” sincerely hoping for the best for all concerned.  CONfusing the death-dealing CONtraption (with its abundance of both cyber- and bio-“drones”) for the Natural Living Arrangement of our Mother Earth, though, handicaps severely any efforts to reach that, however well-intended.

No blame….just fact.

Hokahey!

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By daniel e rowell, December 12, 2009 at 8:57 am Link to this comment
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anyone that   would   vote for

someone that trashed his   own preacher

needs their   head examined.

REV.  WRIGHT HAS ALWAYS BEEN RIGHT !!!!!!!!

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By Howie Bledsoe, December 12, 2009 at 8:40 am Link to this comment
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Apropo to drone planes and 9/11,
I think it is worth questioning as to weather or not they had anything to do with one another on Sept.11.
Think about it, the CIA has prior knowledge of a hi-jack, and sets up drone planes fitted out like passenger planes. The hi jackers plan to hold the passengers captive for a ransom to both fund the taliban and create terror. Little do they know that the planes are being flown by means of remote control and will fly them into the towers which are fitted out with thermite.  Makes sense to me, but Im a bit nuts, so what gives.

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By johannes, December 12, 2009 at 8:15 am Link to this comment

I am not an USA hater, but if you reed about the construction of the US army, its like the Nazis in the second war, Blackwater played the role of the Gestapo, with the CIA as the SS, what kind of men must this be, who terrorice people by day and night, kill them and well the rest we know, where is the place of the respectable American GI in this play.

Where will this lead the USA to, this is the wrong way for an country where the whole world is looking for, looking for an guide line to freedom and equal rights and respect for humanety.

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By dihey, December 12, 2009 at 7:08 am Link to this comment

In war the deliberate killing of a person who is not identified as a combatant at the time of the killing is a war crime according to the Geneva Conventions on warfare. Example: machine gunning from the air of a person in civilian clothes who walks, say, on a country road even though the person might be a soldier on leave.

It is also my opinion that the actions of our government in Afghanistan/Pakistan are not “war” but a “police action” because the Taliban did not attack us. The deliberate killing of a defenseless “bad/dangerous” person without trial and conviction is a crime according to the Bill of Rights of our constitution. Imagine that the FBI had known that Timothy McVeigh planned to blow up a building in Oklahoma City and had ordered a police sniper to shoot an unarmed McVeigh as he left his apartment in the morning walking to his car. That would have been a crime, right?

I challenge all defenders of the killing of “bad guys” from the air in Afghanistan or Pakistan to show me where the words “valid within the borders of the USA only” or other words to that effect appear in the Bill of Rights. If you cannot find these words then the deliberate killing without trial and conviction by our government of “bad guys” from the air in Afghanistan/Pakistan is a crime.

The wholesale arrest of “bad/dangerous” persons by the Bush administration after 9/11 was consistent with both the Geneva Conventions and our constitution. The Bush administration went criminally awry when it failed to follow up with civil trials of these captives (the foreign McVeigh’s). Is it not terrible that the Bush administration was more in tune with the Geneva Conventions and our Bill of Rights than the Obama administration is today?

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By johannes, December 12, 2009 at 3:20 am Link to this comment

To Jean Gerard,

History is repeating it self, time afther time, the humans came in from the cold 40 000 years ago.

This history is very interesting while its playing where on this moment an fors from somewhere on earth
is killing on the way as is written down about this apocalyptic history, maby you do not like ancient history, but they are with us every day and every moment.

This Drones question is played down all the time, but its a way of killing the greates creation
on our planet the humans in a way of beastly thinking
afther this doing you are creticless you have lost all credit, and have to stand for your creator as something unworthy of live.

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By drbhelthi, December 12, 2009 at 12:50 am Link to this comment

What did not hit the pentagon is clarified at the
links,
http://vodpod.com/watch/1829925-general-of-us-
intelligence-says-no-plane-hit-the-pentagon
      -&-
http://mikephilbin.blogspot.com/2009/06/major-
general-albert-stubblebine-911.html

The information MG Stubblebine provides is validated
by the experience of all pilots of airliners,
mechanics, and investigators of airline crashes.

Videos and links to statements made at the time and
on the scene by observers and pilots were removed
from the internet either immediately or within six
months of the 9-11 sacrilege.  Those that are re-
appearing now, have been carefully secreted from the
NAZI/illuminati fraternity affiliated with the family Bush.

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By Sleeper, December 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

If we must fight I think these are better then sending large armies.  Nation Building does nothing but place a target on our sons and daughters who believed in something worth risking everything to defend. 

Our youth as many others have been before were given a grand show of lies and deception.  Our population would rather turn their heads from the Truth then venture into the elite web of global deception orchestrated by this enterprise that sponsored their fascist policy quite similar to the blueprint that was orchestrated in Germany in the 30’s.

Reighstag was a false flag operation put on by the NAZI’S.  9/11/01 was orchestrated by a group that admired the earlier dictatorship and they most likely put on their own false flag show.  If a criminal element needs to hunted down and brought to justice then I suggest we should demand that the facts receive the credibility they deserve which they certainly have not in the USA.

Both of these parties have often worked together to serve their own interrests as far as the Bush and Bin Ladens go.  Wasn’t it Marvin Bush that was in charge of the security at the Towers.  That family has a history of supporting the Nazi rise to power in the 30’s.

Cheney has dedicated his time to giving the Unitarian Executive theory far to much credibility.  He acts with impunity and so far seems to be above our Justice.  All this time he has been able to acquire a fortune from Blood Money.

Criminals that feel no sympathy for the death and destruction they inflict should never rise to positions where they can hold others to a hard law when they feel as though they are above any law.

The UAV’s are capable of collecting excellent intelligence.  Placing weapons on special models should be used to avoid conflict of a large scale. The level of collateral damage that is acceptable for ending the abuse of a criminal is by far easier to access prior to authorization of the use of the ordinance with these products.

The enemy of our Constitution is the coordinated efforts of those who orchestrated this nightmare.  They are sociopaths that were sponsored and groomed by criminals seeking ultimate control over their organizations.  The main theme of their acts demonstrates an intent to desicrate the binding glue of The Constitution itself.

Our nation began its decent into hypocracy as Corporations became veiwed as people.  Later there boards of directors were able to personally escape the liability that encumbers natural people. 

This decent has accelerated as Corporations sold the public on the idea that they are special people and therefore a minority and should be protected and sheilded even further. 

This nation rebeled against such imperial control.  The Declaration of Independence speaks of a civil duty that should not be ventured lightly and the Constitution was not ratified without the guarentees of the first 10 Ammendments. 

Corporations were veiwed as a necessary evil and were allowed with the control of this evil yeilded in the hands of the States. They were often dissolved for not adhering to this control and the Boards of Directors were liable for the Corporations they ran.

It isn’t the weapons that are evil it is the deceptions and Lies that are used by those who dream of escaping liability for their actions.  They lack the Honor that their ancestors once had embraced.

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By Wendell Bibby, December 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm Link to this comment

You have hit the nail on the head Mr. Ritter.

Well done.

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By Sepharad, December 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm Link to this comment

Maxim, as a genuine supporter of Israel born and raised in the U.S. I think the rebbes who long for Halacha are worth just as much as the imams who seek out Sharia. Not a pennysworth of difference. May cabbages grow from all their ears.

On my grandfather’s side, my family has been in Israel (Palestine then) since 1828. I have no objection to letting the religious—Christian, Jewish, Moslem, Hindu, Zoroastrian—practice in peace, but the law of the land must be nothing but secular and apply equally to all citizens, Arab, Druze, Jew, Darfur refugees both Moslem and Christian ... whoever. The rightwing government of Mr. Netanyahu is pandering shamefully to the religious, not properly respecting the Arab Israelis, more openly disrespecting and making life difficult for the West Bank Palestinians by not throwing some of the militant settlers in jail. Israel needs all available support for the strong opposition party led by Tzipi Livni (who won the majority vote in the election, but Meretz and other peace parties were too pure to help her because she is only a centrist, insufficiently “left”, but Shas and the religious were only to glad to join Netanyahu’s government, so now we have this ridiculous situation). I abhor Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade, but support Livni’s proposal to negotiate East Jerusalem as a capital for a Palestinian state.

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By jean Gerard, December 11, 2009 at 4:40 pm Link to this comment
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It ain’t necessarily so, TaoWalker.  Experience indicates that something about
humans “deserves” (in a manner of speaking)  to survive and persist.  The spirit of
poetry, music, dance, graphic arts, the spirit of affection, sympathy, care,
understanding, hoping, aspiring, healing and relieving pain,  the spirit of justice -
- the ears to hear, the eyes to see, the mind to ask, the soul to appreciate. 
Words get in the way of it, and so nobody can prove it,  but it’s here, there and
everywhere == unless, of course, you don’t believe it.

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By KDelphi, December 11, 2009 at 4:32 pm Link to this comment

Everyone who thinks this is a good idea, is now sitting at a pc reading this when they should be in the military, or their kids should be…go!

“But the reality is we are instead dispatching 20-year-old boys from Poughkeepsie whose skill set, perfected during several months of predeployment training, is more conducive to firing three rounds center mass into a human body.”

Truth. I have watched on Independent channels as these guys try to be social workers, Peace Corps, and UN all rolled into one…and wtf do you think these guys are gonna do when they come home to this mess?? I guess the trick is to see that they dont. College and homes for all of them is so much more expensive than a VA burial plot….

Xmas?? How about a nice christian present of life past the New year for the 45,000 USANs who will die this year from both parties inexcusable handling of the opportunity for health care for all…Merry Fricking Xmas…

Maybe we should start shipping civilian bodies home too…make people see their handiwork…you dont even have to bury them all….http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/11/gns_ashes_stolen_112009/

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By TAO Walker, December 11, 2009 at 3:18 pm Link to this comment

It isn’t only america that is in all essential ways bankrupt.  It isn’t even only “western civilization.”  It is the entire globe-girdling CONtraption that offers to its CONscripts nothing but another dose of the same old “dominance” bullshit that’s already turned their virtual world-o’-hurt into a cesspool of toxic industrial waste-products not even those at the tip-top of the privateering pyramid-scheme will get out of alive.

Don’t take this Old Indian’s word for it, though, tame Sisters and Brothers.  Look at the misery growing all around you.  Listen to the heterodyning din of inequity.  Smell the fetid odor, in this “global” den-of-iniquity, of institutionalized corruption.  Feel the “burn” of ruthless, profit-centered exploitation.  Now bend over and touch your toes.  “Here comes the-big-one.”

This might “sting” for a second….

Hokahey!

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By jean Gerard, December 11, 2009 at 2:22 pm Link to this comment
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OH PLEEEZE!  Enough with the apocalypse talk.  Why?  Because it’s based on
ancient superstition and mythology, has been used several times before to scare
people, and disguises the true nature of human problems and issues.

It also undermines people’s self-confidence, their creativity, their will power, their
common sense abilities to cope.

Better spend the time and energy on helping each other to solve the problems we
have made and are making.  Be brave!  From time to time humans have done
great things all by themselves.  They can do it again—if they don’t get scared
out of their wits by stories about the Four Horsement, Armageddon and all that.

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By johannes, December 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm Link to this comment

To Night Gaunt,

Wath the Nazis have used the old tribes for, is disgraceful, but that most of the humans living in and around Afganistan are from Indo-Europeên origine is tru, and just deep in to India you find Aryan people, the Semitic and Arabs people are a mix from Indo-Europeên and Indo-African tribes, essentially a lot of tribes mixed, but not all.

Via a big round way I am coming to this dredfull wapen, the Apocalyptische riders coming from the Parten tribu, living in Afganistan and Pakistan, this drones are the grey horses of the
apocalyptisch thinking, the circel is closing.

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By Sleeper, December 11, 2009 at 1:47 pm Link to this comment

rfidler,

Actually, the post you directed toward me contained more racial comments and assumptions of any point that I made contained in a few lines then I’ve seen or heard in awhile.  As far as moral superiority some people are in tune with a desire for Peace and Liberty.  I feel “We reap what we sow” all of us.

There are people who try to practice things like Honesty, Humility, Peace, and Love.  These qualities are not exclusive to any race, nationality, or Religion.  There are people capable of developing community across all these potential divides.

I do believe that among these Peaceful Groups, Brotherhoods have formed that will control the harmful munipulations of the few that have demonstrated they have no regard for the ability of others to exist in Peace.  They purchase their harmful agendas using human beings as pawns incorporating them in their personal delusions of gradure.

There are sociopaths that do not demonstrate the existance of a concience and they have to be dealt with to keep the hope of PEACE alive.  Those who try to achieve community in an enviroment of tolerance for the rights of others to express their beliefs practice humility rather then pontificate their superiority over lesser disiplines.

Basically, ones liberty ends when it infringes on anothers ability to practice theirs.  As Thomas Jefferson said in his letter to Benjamin Rush “I have stood before the alter of God and sworn eternal hostility toward all forms of tyrany over the minds of men.”

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By Jean Gerard, December 11, 2009 at 12:38 pm Link to this comment
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A lot of auxiliary stuff has been bought up in this string, but the main point
shouldn’t get lost:  Drones (UAVs—unmanned aerial vehicles, as the makers
want to call them to disguise their true nature) are a weapon for cowards who are
not only willing to kill, but are willing to kill people far away, secretly, people who
have no weapons of equal threat, who have no way to escape and no way to
counteract results.  What’s worse, they are willing to fire such weapons without
themselves taking any chance whatsoever of injury or pain.  They are even callous
enough to think of those weapons as “superior,” “clever”, “fair”, “just,” and
“efficient”.  And we pay millions for them.

This is the ditch where the American psyche lies dying.

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By samosamo, December 11, 2009 at 12:04 pm Link to this comment

I did a search for ‘what hit the pentagon’ and from those 9/11 debunking
conspiracies to those claiming a 757 did not hit the pentagon, in my view, is
mostly inconclusive because of nothing that could not be faked to the basically 2
videos allowed to exist show nothing that is obvious as to what hit and I can only
surmize that it probably wasn’t a 757 because the hole starts at ground level
which really presents problems even for an expert pilot to all but drag such a large piece of equipment across the lawn and the biggest issue is the fbi will not release the real or clear videos of what actually hit the pentagon.

I do think there will have to be a take over or an extra ordinary effort to extract the videos from the fbi but that’s ok, there is more than ample proof of the 3
buildings at the wtc that demonstrably shows all are demolitions with the wtc 7
being a classic implosion and the 2 towers a relative new explosive demolitions.

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By Night-Gaunt, December 11, 2009 at 11:14 am Link to this comment

Johannes, you do understand that Rtidler was being sarcastic don’t you? Also it was Indo-Germanic that was translated into “Aryans” during the 19th century by those who wanted an East/West connexion in their racist version of history, not Indo-European. [What was later converted into the pseudo-racial-occult history of the Germans which became the law of that land from 1933-1945.] As the Brits might say it caused “quite a cockup.”

Now we have RPV robots with more of them being armored and armed. Eventually land, sea and air and then war gets safer for the ones with them not for the the ones being targeted. Now all that is missing are the obedient clones and then we have ‘droids and clones fighting on the same side of the American Empire for a bright new future! But only if you are on the Empire’s side that is.

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By Maxim, December 11, 2009 at 11:13 am Link to this comment
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Brussels 11th Dec 09
Maxim
As usual, Scott Ritter’s article is a well-written one, he has a sound appreciation of the situation and delivers a clear message which should amend the US policy but it shall not! Pdt Obama, whatever his electorate promises cannot change his course as he is a prisoner of the US democratic system; “system” meaning a set of established rules and financial supports to which he is indebted.
Moreover, he is a bright, skilful person with the benefit of a lawyer’s education which means that he is used to ingenious sophisms which he masterfully manipulates. And to top it all, an excellent orator with much charisma. All in all, a dangerous and far-reaching compound, possibly getting his policy all muddled-up.
But the real problem probably lies elsewhere i.e.his dangerous if not adventurous speech in Cairo where he praised to the skies “Araba civilization” and formally took a stand in the always touchy Israel/Palestinian latent conflict where he confirmed his commitment to a dual Israel/Arab state: but in the meantime, nothing happened except for the fact that Ms Billary Clinton confirmed her unconditional support to Israel’s policy.And this, warmly supported by the related US establishment and lobbies, finally the foundation of current Arab resentment.
But as the American society is now “organized”, it is almost impossible for an American President to display a policy which should run contrary to the Israeli settlements’ policy whilst of late, the Interior Minister Neeman flanked by both Ashkenaze and Sepharade Rabbis claimed for the enforcement of the Torah law i.e.the Halacha as Israel’s public law. But then, as a continental European, may I ask the question: where is the thin border between the very principles of Sharia and Halacha ?
I should add that I am not an Arab: just a plain continental Christian European and don’t want to change but I have been a number of years in the Near-and Middle-East, even in Palestine before 1967 but the Islamists’ extreme points of view are much more dangerous for Europe as for the United States.I can’t help considering that the above-mentioned Pdt Obama’s policy (inherited from dear G.W.Bush) is leading us “all” to a religious confrontation which could be a disaster.
And I confirm, or us all !
Maxim (by the way, it’s tiring being a prophet of doom)

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By bozh, December 11, 2009 at 11:00 am Link to this comment
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Little austria ‘14 is not huge US ‘09. US war planners must have known that. They must have, i deduce, known that serbia had acqnowledged that it had been a bosnian serb, gavrilo princip[the name suggest he was a ‘jew’]who had assasinated archduke ferdinand with guidance from serbia’s terrorist org, the Black Hand.

US warlords and its social masters must have known that they did not know whether even one afghan even knew ab coming attack against the two towers let alone participated in it. Perhaps even osama may have not known ab it!
And, of course, no afghan had acqnowledged knowing of the atrocity or participating in it.
At least serbia did acqnowledge some responsibility.

Thus facts that pertain to invasion of serbia by austria and US invasion of afgh’n clarify the situations.
But we can firmly conclude that bush, obama, know who wld write the history of present and all future wars. As i write this, it is already been called a ‘mission’. tnx
tnx

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By Donald Diedrick, December 11, 2009 at 10:47 am Link to this comment
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Given his knowledge of this area,one would hope the author’s view would have been solicited in the decision-making process of the President.

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By johannes, December 11, 2009 at 10:42 am Link to this comment

To Rtidler,


citation from you: Morally far superior to those benighted brown people.

Most are strait from the original Indo-Europeên tribes, thus Aryans, whiter as most Americans, and their morallety is strong this sober living people have seen it all, the American cloon army is the latest to pass by, this presumtuously and recklessly thinking American governement is bypassing its whole conscience, to do this to other humans.

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By johannes, December 11, 2009 at 10:23 am Link to this comment

The Moslims from New York are going to build and restore an nice building just 600 meters from waths left of the former world trade centre, it will by a centrum of Moslim culturel thinking, just 600 meters away from the national graveyard 9-11 monument.

For the J.C.C. that is the Jewish community centre, to have partners in the Muslim community that share our vision of pluralism and tolerance would be great,
this is out the Herald tribune from 10 12 09.

That the Jews and Moslims poep in the same pot, thats not new for us in Europe, but in the United States its gething bolder and with out restraint.

I think the Gods are laughing, their is a men who is sending dead in the way of the Gods, and for that he geths the highest price for peace, and the people of this men leth it be, and even find excuses for this ludicrous and human unworthy behavior based on untruth statesment.

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By rico, suave, December 11, 2009 at 10:22 am Link to this comment

Sleeper:

“When innocents die it is certain to aid the recruitment of new members to the opposition forces.  It is counter productive.”

Do you think Al Qaeda used that same logic and calculus when planning and executing 9/11?

How can you worry about how we’re going to piss of Muslims, and not worry about how Muslims are going to piss us off.

The only way you can validate that dichotomy is to assume that we are morally far superior to those benighted brown people. But then you’d be a racist.

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By garth, December 11, 2009 at 10:19 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi is right.  Furthermore, Obama’s defense of the argument for just wars belies the fact that we are practicing assymetrical on grand scale.  104,000 troops, and equal if not greater number of mercenaries, air bombardment, drone attacks…..and who knows what else they’re doing over there to those people.
It reminds of the crack about the mafia, “You sit on my car, I breaka you face.

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By rico, suave, December 11, 2009 at 10:11 am Link to this comment

drbhelthi:

You need psychiatric care.

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By Sleeper, December 11, 2009 at 9:46 am Link to this comment

I think that as long as adults are mature enough to realize that there is a threshold where it is necesary to stand up to criminal enterprises that render a clear threat to the safety of others.  This will to secure a Peace has to be backed up with a faith that is willing to risk life to do it.  It also has to make a judgement that acts with a willingness to kill.

It is hard for me to believe that these weapons that provide realtime intelligence from significant altitudes cannot develop assesments of possible colateral damage prior to firing their weapons.  The possible innocents that end up losing their life should be significantly lower on all sides with the use of these weapons.

There should be accountability to maintain a low threshold of collateral damage based on the importance of eliminating the target.  When innocents die it is certain to aid the recruitment of new members to the opposition forces.  It is counter productive.

Based on the level of obvious corruption within our own government and the lack of Honor of those in high places who ushered in the agenda of the PNAC should be hounded and exposed in their efforts to dismantle our Constitution and its Ammendments.  They seized the opportunity to declare extaordinary powers by adopting Unconstitutional Acts.

A Corporate Media quickly feed us lies and discredited those who resisted the rush to swallow these lies.  Elections were stolen in our country by the deception of this criminal element.  All brought to us by War Profiteers and multinational interrest that insist that the sky would fall should India buy fuel from Iran.

Ultimately, it is voter apathy that allows Corporate interrest to pay into our leaders War Chests and purchase media time to feed us lies. We need to wake up and hold our elected corporately sponsored mouthpieces accountable for their unethical behavior.

I believe that unless we are prepared to fight our fights then we will not survive.  I also believe that we must ensure that we are told the Truth.  We cannot allow easily purchased whores to present us fiction and commit War Crimes with the Authority that we allow them to have.

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By garth, December 11, 2009 at 9:27 am Link to this comment

Excuse me, sopca is the Tajikistani word for space. {jk}

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By drbhelthi, December 11, 2009 at 9:21 am Link to this comment

There is no scientifically-validated information to even suggest that Afghanistani leadership, criminals or folk have
ever attacked the USA.

There is abundant scientifically-validated information to PROVE that criminally-insane persons in and associated with the US White House are responsible for all events on Sep 11, 2001. 

Those officers onboard the USS XXXXXX, that cleared the control deck of enlisted, then fired the Tomahawk into the Pentagon, who are still alive, will receive their “reward” presently. They know too much, and will not be permitted to live much longer. They have no “insurance” to cover the remainder of their brief lives . Sad, sad.

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By garth, December 11, 2009 at 8:54 am Link to this comment

Bruce Gagnon is raising an alarm the USA Military to trying to militarize sopca and control access to it from other nations.  They are moving to encircle China and Russia with missile bases and Navy ships armed with missiles.

Interestingly, the new slogan for the U.S. Air Force is, “Air Force Over All” or in German, “Luftwaffe Uber Alles.”

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By Night-Gaunt, December 11, 2009 at 8:11 am Link to this comment

The difference is whose side they are on as to how “heroic” they are. The Afghanis are on their side against the Taliban, war lords and the USA/NATO invaders. That is the fact on the ground there. When we leave it will leave them with just two enemies to fight for their own liberation. It will also be on a more equal footing too.

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By rico, suave, December 11, 2009 at 8:08 am Link to this comment

Ritter’s title is catchy, but the article isn’t about drone warfare. It’s about whether we should have responded to 9/11 militarily or diplomatically/judicially. Fair enough. But the events of 9/11 WERE an act of war, whether we “deserved” it or not.

Japan had lots of grievances against the US too on 12/7/41. Should we have made the FBI office in Honolulu the pointman in our response?

Afghanistan in no way conforms to the definition of a “nation” as understood by the West and the UN, and I agree that our efforts at making it one will be futile. But that doesn’t excuse the fact that the attack was launched from there and that we shouldn’t go there to kill the bastards who attacked us.

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By rico, suave, December 11, 2009 at 7:51 am Link to this comment

abdo,

“Don’t forget, suicide bombers are “cowards,” but unmanned drone planes are “heroic.” I second and add cruise missals from 2000 miles and 20 thousand pound bombs from stilt plains height in the sky are anything but heroic. Remember bill Mahr lost his job as late night show on abc? because he expressed similar opinion.”

Who ever said drones were heroic?

What’s a “missal”?

What’s a “stilt plain”? And 20k pound bombs?

Do you know folktruther?

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By NYCartist, December 11, 2009 at 7:09 am Link to this comment

PS That title.  They are US gov’t drones, not “our” and the “murderers” are piloting them from on the ground, they are not in the sky, and those who give the orders, as well as those who pilot them are the murderers.  The drones/missiles are the weapons, not the murderers.

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By NYCartist, December 11, 2009 at 7:06 am Link to this comment

NO to use of drones/missiles!  I first learned that the US was using them when news came out in the Guardian in England, that Obama Administration had sent unpiloted drones into Afghanistan on Jan.23, 2009 - a few days after his inauguration as president.  I made art, completed and some of the art on paper, out and into the mail on Jan. 26/27th.  The use of drones is disgusting - just as it was when the Nazis sent similar type things on England in WWII.
The US use of drones into Pakistan is illegal, a US war crime.
 
  Is Obama’s “Change” that he’s already sent more drones into Pakistan than Bush did in secret in the last 3 years of his administration?

  NOT IN MY NAME.  I did a followup addenda on my art of Jan.26, 2009 on President’s Day, Feb.2009 -
a protest of using drones and sent some out, on paper.  Only limited by limited $$$.

  Dissent.  Protest.  See DemocracyNow archives for people who have protested in the US near the bases not too far from Las Vegas, where some of the drones’ pilots are believed to be working at screens, lobbing missiles for their 12 hour shift and then going home for dinner with their families.
http://www.democracynow.org
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