To Spooky-43

“Do you realize what people can do in 60 years when they really put their minds to it?”

Indeed we do, if you put an American mind to it, just ask any Hiroshima survivor, Dresden bombing raids survivors, Vietnameese burnt by napalm and blind due to the Agent Orange exposure, Iraqis and Afghanis murdered by the trigger happy morons who love guns.
Do you know why does “false flag” attack sounds stupid to the “people on the inside”? Because the majority of these so-called “people on the inside” can not even show Afghanistan on the map of the world, let alone be familiar with the professional C.I.A slang.

****************

Granted, that the boy in times square was a prodigy of the
pakistan taliban but what he tried to do was indicative of just
how well ‘undeveloped’ the technology and planning is from
terrorists, and this one lived here. So what was an uneventful
botched attempt to make a bomb and detonate it is laughable.
But is pays to be awake and to use the resources available,
security cameras, which is what eventually got this inept clown
arrested; and it goes to show that just as those same resources
available from the attack on the pentagon, it is disgusting how
that evidence, which shows something that was high tech, but
is kept hidden from the public. No need in tattling on oneself is
there, w & dick?!

Eugene,  more and more , you remind me of

the rodeo clown for the Democrat Party.

The system worked ... Indeed. 
But why doesn’t your report include the fact that it was Army Special Forces using an airborne tracking device who located this “terrorist” for the FBI?
Why doesn’t your report include the fact that according to a report by the Washington Post, the same “terrorist” who duct-taped fireworks to propane canisters spent time with a Pakistani group last summer with ties to the CIA?
And why doesn’t your report make any comment about the unusual circumstances surrounding this arrest? No appearances in court, or anywhere else, a full admission without any effort to plea bargain, and of course, he is being held at an undisclosed location.
The system works, to be sure. And reports like the one you have written are, in fact, part of what has become a very effective system of “mockingbirds” in the media.

RE: Nevadasmith, May 10 at 3:10 pm>>>

Who can question the booming voice of god emanating from the stereo speakers on the idiot box? How easily malleable and pliant the public mind!

I think Spooky43 has been inside far too long and needs to go outside and take a breath of fresh air.

What a gas, praising ‘Dr. Strangelove’s’ evolution in Nagasaki-Hiroshima nuke technology as the pinnacle in US achievement! Perhaps, thrill seeker, Dr. Strangelove should obliges us and ride his nukes right on into the moon!

“Just look at the pile of dead bastards over there”

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

To answer that question , I will take you back
to Public Law 107-40,  and the need for a constant
enemy.

Does anyone at all question this “Times Square” fiasco? Does everyone believe everything they’re told? Do all of you believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that a workable bomb was actually planted in a vehicle? Did anyone else notice how the story kept changing? And now they have this young man in custody but bin Laden yet walks free dragging a kidney machine behind him.I’m just saying,stay diligent. And question-Always question.

Everything is “false flag” to America haters.  If you could only know how stupid this sounds to the people on the inside. 

The presumption that when the American war machine decides it is time for some individual or some group to meet their maker, they need to kill a bunch of Americans first so we all tremble in fear and give them permission, is about the dumbest, idiotic theory I have heard lately.

Americans had nuclear weapons in the 1940’s.  Most of the rest of the world is still struggling to figure out how to make them.  We have a sixty year head start, and we Americans love to make new weapons.

Just after the first part of the 20th century, most Americans were still shitting in outhouses and riding to town in a horse and buggy.  Just over 60 years later, they developed the technology to land men on the moon. 

Do you realize what people can do in 60 years when they really put their minds to it?  The technology America has to wage war, top secret as it is, is way beyond what anyone could ever imagine.  But it stays locked up, because it is way too risky to use.  It would cause the same reaction on Earth as if a super-evolved alien race landed with outrageous weaponry that could not be countered. 

Suffice it to say, no one needs to kill a few Americans to get permission to do the world police work that America does.  Enough of the population, here and abroad, support it to make it palatable.

But in the event that it is not palatable, and it became extremely important, there are ways to carry it out that no one would ever know what happened or how it happened. 

So what would be the purpose of driving a Nissan full of fertilizer into Times Square?  Are we all trembling in fear now?  Are we all begging the government to invade Pakistan? 

No, if anything, the risk has been reduced, in the minds of the American people, because the enemy have become to look like fools, who could not endanger anyone if they had to.  Underwear bombers and shoe bombers and non-explosive fertilizer bombers are laughable to a country that has weapons that are unheard of.  So what is the point?  How is fear generated by incompetent Underwear bombers and such?

According to Obama and Holder and many on Capitol Hill,

our line of defense is to take away Miranda, Habeus,
the Bill of Rights, the freedom to assemble
and yada yada yada

Then keep creating a boogyman.

RE: mike, May 9 at 4:32 pm

I too suspect the whole thing too a ruse, you know, a false-flag, a distraction designed to fizzle with fear.

The industry of war is getting an itchy trigger finger; dreams of legitimizing an attack on Pakistan; attack on Iran. What better way than by cranking up the fear factor?

Also note, on the very same day of this non-event, there was an arrogant walk out by the U.S. delegation to the nuclear non-proliferation summit meeting at the United Nations, during which a very lively discussion ensued that was completely circumcised by MSM, with its fizzling fireworks story.

Everything about this is just too story book, from beginning to end.

Whenever you see crowd begin to gather, always look the other way to find out what is really going on.

Obviously, Eugene stays focused as per instructions

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”, laughs the desensitized shooter.
WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

Public Law 107-40

That law requires that we need to keep finding
a terrorist, 

The MIC will continue to find terrorists as long as
there is Public Law 107-40.

Until we get the legislators to repeal this law,
we are screwed ...
There have been so many lies in this War On Terror,
nobody knows the truth and has to draw on their own
conclusions.

If the bomb had detonated, the street vendors would not have known what hit them.  The police did a great job of tracking a VIN, not a really complex task in the computer era. 

They did, however, fail to keep an individual on the no-fly list from boarding an airplane.  The story that they let him get on to see if others were involved, seems bogus.  Protocol does not allow a highly suspected terrorist to get anywhere near an airplane for obvious reasons. 

As another poster asserted, it was military SEMA aircraft which really did the tracking.  Even though the poster seems put out that military aircraft were used, it is a fact of life, that any incident which could be a threat to national security will be put under the executive branch, and the Defense Dept will become a factor.  Get used to it.

So, I don’t see the point of Robinson’s article. 

The first line of defense is that you don’t allow a person on the no-fly list, who recently spent months in Pakistan undergoing bomb training, drive a car full of explosives up to a busy street corner. 

The definition of high-quality police work would have to be not allowing that to happen in the first place.  It is not not reactionary, but proactive. 

If that Shazad guy had been competent I wonder what Robinson would be writing about?

I am surprised at the theories that the CIA is behind this plot.  What would be their point?  That the terrorist threat is a big incompetent hoax, and all you need is a couple of policemen and a vigilant street vendor to thwart them?

Mr. Robinson works for the Washington Post, a conservative, pro-war newspaper. Therefore, he will more often than not side with the establishment view of things.

I know I feel safe knowing Janet Napolitano is in charge of our security.Thank God for her quick actions on the underwear and Times Square bombers.She is highly qualified and experienced in fighting our enemies-Much of this experience was obtained by being Anita Hill’s lawyer during the famous “Long Dong Silver” case.Her bravery and “can-do” spirit during those dark days boded well for the future when she would be called upon to protect us all. Let’s all thank God for Janet.

Paul_GA,

Notice the targeting criteria from my previous post: “suspected” “militants” based upon “pattern of life” analyses; ascertaining physical identity of suspicious looking target not required.

Any normal person looking at the above would double over and puke their guts out in disgust! I swear, this country has gone completely off the rails.

In other words, jack-booted, gaming cadet sits in remotely located hot seat; with built in live action feedback, designed to shake swivel and rock as the above programmed software provides targets for the thrill of a lifetime. After the smoke clears from cadet’s flat-screen monitor revealing the body count for tally; sweaty, game-boy cadet signs out and walks next door to scoff-down a burger with shake.

“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there,” says the laughing, desensitized, disposable shooter!

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

Looks to me, Amunaor, as if Mr. Obama is slathering the icing on the cake Bush II (the Shrub) baked ...

It’s really incredible how that man lacks the moral courage to really change course, no matter how his political future may be at stake if he does. But then, moral courage is the rarest form of courage, n’est ce pas?

Oh, and A. Khokar, Times Square in NYC, to me, is not “well inside the heart of America”. For those of us who’ve never been there, it’s as remote as the far side of the moon. But it’s a place where anything untoward that might occur will be all over the national and international media. So that this might be a “false flag” incident cooked up by the CIA is a possibility.

But I wonder if the Israelis might’ve had a hand in it, as well? They’d have the most to lose if this country ended the “global war on terror”. Anything to keep this country’s collective nose to the grindwheel of perpetual war, no matter what the cost to Americans ...

Dearv Friends,

There can be some three dimensions or sides to this incident. Or say to this plan of carnage in order to create a scene of havoc in place like Time square in New York:

1.  A terrorist act as claimed by TTP (Tehrik e Taliban Pakistan- a CIA brain child). Reportedly they are boasting around that they planned and carried out this act to show that they even can target well inside in the heart of America.

2.  The man has been radicalised. Any American citizen as Mr Shahzad is; when ever he/she visits a war zone like the one we have in Tribal area in Pakistan. It is but essential that after seeing the destruction and carnage being brought to the innocent people owing to the atrocious acts of USA by Drone attacks and other CIA covert subversive operation being carried out by TTP on the behest of CIA, inside Pakistan. It is likely to stir the conscious of any human being and that he may turn against USA and indulge in such sort of activities.

3.  The third dimension is the Covert operations that a man who fits all the grounds to be a covert. He was jobless; a common US citizen problem; no job, loss of house and meagre amount available to run the life; plus being a person from the area of war zone—-very befittingly, he is selected by CIA; which is not unusual and has been involved in this terrorist act of violence that makes the most crude pathetic type of car bomb; a recipe from the “Anarchist Cook Book” that——where as it make a big news but does not explodes.

Every action has got certain aims and in present date and time when US is fixed up in Afghanistan war and has planned to quit this war in humiliation as this war being; an unwinnable war. It leaves behind Pakistan; an ambitious and potent Islamic nuclear state in charge of this region. US as well as India may well be desirous to strengthen the perception that Pakistan remains prone to the Terrorist attacks and her nuclear weapons must be taken away from Pakistan or at least kept under a special international vigilance body where practically Pakistan is seen defanged.
 
The third dimension may be the most befitting and we may discuss it out

Eugene, while you stand there, scratching your head, puzzling over why they hate us so much:
***

Obama widens drone attacks in Pakistan
By Bill Van Auken
7 May 2010

The Obama administration has granted secret permission to the CIA to carry out more indiscriminate drone missile strikes in Pakistan, even as protests over civilian casualties caused by the attacks continue to grow.

Officials revealed this week that the US intelligence agency is operating under rules that allow it to target suspected “militants” in Pakistan based upon “pattern of life” analyses, without even ascertaining their identity. For the most part, they acknowledge, the names of those assassinated with Hellfire missiles fired from Predator and the larger Reaper drones are never known…

FULL STORY:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/may2010/dron-m07.shtml
***

What the hell is going on here Eugene? Indiscriminately murdering people, from a remote controlled, gaming machine, high in the sky above the crowd is not going result in hugs, kisses and well-wishes from the recipients of these cowardly gestures. Don’t you care either!?

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

Don’t forget—
“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”

WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

It doesn’t matter to me, Dr. Sudrania, what the post-Empire USA will look like. Frankly, I expect the USA to break up even more than the Soviet Union did.

If Hawaii goes independent, or asks for Japanese or Chinese sponsorship, and Alaska returns to Russian control or declares independence, no big deal. If “Aztlan” is founded in the Southwest, out of lands torn from Mexico 162 years ago, it might be looked upon as poetic justice; same if a new Confederacy is reborn down here in the South. What matters to me is ending the Empire ourselves, in a controlled fashion, before it collapses around our ears, and there’s a frantic and bloody settling of accounts. This country has committed too many sins in its history for it all to end in sweetness and light, if the Elites continue along their merry way, maintaining and expanding an already doomed Empire.

There’s not much time left to do it in. If we end it ourselves, some semblance of unity might be retained; if we waste our time trying to prop up a dying Empire, the end will be, as I put it, messy.

Were US Special Forces Involved in the Arrest of Faisal Shahzad?
by Jeremy Scahill

(synopsis)

Reports are emerging suggesting that secret US military intelligence aircraft were used to find and locate Faisal Shahzad…

...A US Special Operations Force source told me that the planes were likely RC-12s equipped with a Guardrail Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) system that, as the plane flies overland “sucks up” digital and electronic communications. “Think of them as manned drones. They’re drones, but they have men sitting in them piloting them and they can be networked together,” said the source. “You have many of them—four, five, six of them—and they all act as a node and they scrape up everything, anything that’s electronic and feed it back.” The source added: “It sucks up everything. We’ve got these things in Jalalabad [Afghanistan]. We routinely fly these things over Khandahar. When I say everything, I mean BlueTooth would be effected, even the wave length that PlayStation controllers are on. They suck up everything. That’s the point.”...

...parts of the domestic counter-terrorism operations that they had set up during the Bush administration were reactivated,” says the Special Forces source. “They’re compartmentalized. So they kicked into high gear and were supporting law enforcement. In some cases, law enforcement may not have even known that some of the signals intelligence was coming from covert military units.”...

...“They sidestep Posse Comitatus,” said the source…

...Among the questions raised by the apparently central role of US Special Forces in the arrest of Faisal Shahzad is this: To what extent are US Special Forces permitted to operate on US soil under President Obama?

Also, Why did CBS scrub the initial mention of the involvement of Army Intelligence aircraft from its story?...

FULL STORY:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/05/05-7
***

This makes the lame jokes that fell from our Presidents mouth; about predator-drones taking out any unqualified dates in pursuit of his daughters; even less palatable than they already were!

Peace, Best Wishes and Hope

“Just look at that pile of dead bastards over there”
WikiLeaks—Collateral Murder
http://wikileaks.org/

Paul_GA,
When are we going to ask to vacate the land of North America, Canada also which does not belong to the present “USA” and “Canadians” as we so proudly call it. Let us first settle this case. Then we shall take up the others.

God bless.

I have a copy of Raymond Ibrahim’s book, GoRight, but that doesn’t mean I agree with everything in it. With all respect, HOW LONG can the USA continue fighting the Muslim world? Hmmm? Forever? How much longer will the American Empire last if it keeps frittering away its power? I believe it’s being worn to a frazzle by this perpetual “global war on terror”, and I’ve always thought Sun Tzu was right when he wrote (2,500 years ago!) that no country has ever benefitted from a protracted war.

END THE WARS! And end the war system! Let’s retrench and concentrate on defending this country at its borders and seashores, and quit wasting blood and treasure on foreign adventures. And end the entangling alliances, too; the one with Israel alone will be the ruin of this country yet, I fear.

It may be a matter of conjecture about this business of ‘Violent Extremist Terrorism”. But the fact remains that this trend of brutal incessant retaliation can not be tolerated or condoned.

Regarding Paul_GA’s, “Treating the symptoms, ignoring the cause ...”; I agree with him verbally but not content’s approachwise. Because I doubt if the said “Terrorism” (I avoid Islamic Word)will cease with his contention; because the ideology involved is completely different.

It is nothing to do with those three explained facts. It is a global mission of “United States of Islamic World”. I might request to read the one person’s blog, i.e. Mr Hafiz Saeed, Chief of Lashkar-e Taibba. I also request to read the recent report of a study under the Chairmanship of Senator Gary Ackerman regarding this pious organisation. The caption runs: Bad Company-Lashkar E-Taibba and The Growing Ambition of Islamist Militancy in Pakistan (March 11, 2010).

They are an “Islamist Empire” in their own right and though openly flourishing in the land of “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” under their lawful authority and are banned by several countries as “Terrorist” organisations and even Pakistan shies away on them. Yet it is a crude and brute truth. US also knows it. Yet even US is also quite on them.

It is a query world. There is always a playback singer behind the scene. US knowing fully well about these hulligans, is silently perpetuating them. This is the dirty murky side of the business of ‘Politics’. A common man is rather kept in darkness.

Paul_GA,

If we study the teachings of Dr. Zawahiri, Nasrallah and bin Laden we find that you and others have been mislead.  Each of the above completely disagree with your assessment on the underlying causes for their declaring war on the West.

The Al Qaeda Reader:
http://www.amazon.com/Al-Qaeda-Reader-Raymond-Ibrahim/dp/038551655X

Mr. Robinson.  Are you thoroughly ashamed of yourself? Are you embarrassed to your core?  Or do you simply have no inherent integrity?

Since Sept. 2001 you have written and stated, almost countless times, that the threat the U.S. faced was almost nonexistent (it’s all a “Bush/Cheney” lie designed to scare people).  But today real threats exist?  You have written and stated, almost countless times, that if a threat does exist - which it did not. It was a Bush lie- that the threat should be handled solely as a criminal matter.  Not a military matter.  But today you argue how it’s both a military and a police matter?

Have you not a shred of integrity, Mr. Robinson?

-

According to Commissioner Kelly this latest incident in New York City brings the total number of “terrorist” attempts to eleven (11) since 2001.  The fact is not a soul on earth would know and understand that if all they ever read and listened to is you.

I ask again: Have you no shame?  Have you not an ounce of integrity?  Or did the entire globe suddenly and magically change when your choice for president entered office?

You disgust me, Sir.

Paul_GA, yes, u’r right. I wld like to stress once more that even killing muslims today had been caused by FIRST CAUSE: devaluation of some and over-evaluation of some people.
And thus over-evaluation of a country like US, UK, France and devaluationof countries like those in afro-asian region.

I do not any longer use the word racism to limn such views.The term “devaluing” [some people and peoples] appears a better symbol than either discrimination or racism.

Devaluing people is not a natural tendency; it is wholy or mostly a learned attitude; thus, proffers much hope that we can teach people to value all people and peoples.

And with that behavior ?all wars, exploitation, wife beating, hatred, anger, frustration, arguments stop.
Yes, one day! tnx

Let’s see: It’s 1986. Our intell shows that the Russians are pissed about us helping the Taliban in Afghanistan and are almost certain to strike us. Russia launches a nuke missile at NYC, our radar sees it coming, we launch ABMs but they miss, someone calls in to report a fast vapor trail streaking over Boston. All of a sudden, a big thump in Central Park takes out twenty trees and a few squirrels. The bomb’s a dud.

By Gene’s lights, “The system worked” because we didn’t get blown to smithereens. Would he have said that under Bush’s watch? Or would he have wailed about Bush letting the bomber get as far as he did undetected?

Treating the symptoms, ignoring the cause ...

Why do Muslims hate us enough to want to kill us? Because

(a) the American Empire has troops in Muslim countries;

(b) said troops are killing Muslims in large numbers, either deliberately or as “collateral damage-cum-murder”; and

(c) the Empire is so tight with Israel.

End those three conditions, and terrorism will be all but a thing of the unpleasant past. “Stay the course”, and watch the Empire come to a messy, uncontrollable end.

Simple.

Zero deaths-maimings in US and ?2mn deaths-maimings in iraq and afgh’n.

I suggest that every cia-fbi agent, policeman, and the t-shirt vendor gets not only a medal but also huge raise.
Also we mustn’t forget the mechanic of the popping-smoking car.
W.o. him botching the repairs, hundreds might have died or been injured.tnx

I’m wondering what Mr. Robinson would do, say or think (or, write) if he watched his relatives heads blown off during dinner by a drone strike gone oopsie.

Something horrible has happened to my countrymen.

“Jonas Brothers are here, they’re out there somewhere. Sasha and Malia are huge fans, but boys, don’t get any ideas. Two words for you: predator drones. You will never see it coming. You think I’m joking?” President Barack Hussein Obama

I hope each and every single soul that thinks predator drone strikes are funny got a super big laugh.

I’m out of this place just as soon as I can find a country that will let me in-legally.